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Speaker 1: two total pros because our favorite college basketball team is

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Speaker 1: playing right now in a huge game, a game that

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Speaker 1: and yet very gamely, we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, which is that that's the team that

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Conway covers for The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com

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Speaker 1: and she's actually providing news while this game is happening

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Speaker 1: right now. I just retweeted her on Twitter. She's with

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Speaker 1: us now, Hi, Kelsey.

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Speaker 2: Hey Mo, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm well, do you want to play linebacker for the Bengals?

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Speaker 2: Oh? No, No I don't. But you know, I wish

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Speaker 2: I had better news hopping on this call. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought about when I put out some of myself

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Speaker 2: don't kill the messenger, because unfortunately I just head back

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Speaker 2: to back X posts that I'm going to put together

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Speaker 2: in a notebooks that he'll be available on Cincinnati dot

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Speaker 2: Com about who the Bengals aren't interested, And so I

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Speaker 2: tried to comb through what's left of the positions that

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Speaker 2: and didn't find a lot of great news, so we

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Speaker 2: can get into it on this show. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: been it's been a hard day to figure out exactly

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Speaker 2: what the Bengals plan has been since day one. So

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Speaker 2: I know we'll get into it and you can ask

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Speaker 2: that up at the top of my appearance on this show.

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Speaker 1: So you no, no, Well, let's let's let's sort of

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Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit here, because you put this on

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Speaker 1: social media. This is before four o'clock. League year is

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Speaker 1: now underway. You wrote, we're thirty minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: new league year, and the Bengals have added two players

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Speaker 1: during the legal tampering period, boy A Mafe and Brian Cook,

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Speaker 1: and as you wrote, there's still time to add players.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Bengals would have added more by now.

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Speaker 1: If you would have told me on Monday afternoon about

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Speaker 1: and most said most of us would have said it's

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Speaker 1: unlikely that forty eight hours later, those are still the

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Speaker 1: I guess the question is what has happened since Monday afternoon?

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Speaker 1: That leaves those two guys who agreed to terms on

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And I say that because usually you

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Speaker 2: hear like, okay, they were in the mix, they were

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Speaker 2: I've made a number of calls, also been following some

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Speaker 2: gotten any sense of who they have really targeted that

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Speaker 2: But let me just run through some names for you

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Speaker 2: And that's where I don't know what their plan has been.

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Speaker 2: They were not in on Caden Ellis, they were not

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Speaker 2: They weren't in on him, they weren't in on Kay Love,

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Speaker 2: they weren't in on any of those guys. Those were

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Speaker 2: I'm struggling to figure out what their plan after Boy,

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing that that's their plan.

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Speaker 2: where I started with making making calls for players that

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Speaker 2: so I saw bubbling up on social media, you know,

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Speaker 2: Football Talk that Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle osa Odjizua, you know,

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Speaker 1: It feels like specifically to those two positions, and I think,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, man, they upgraded its safety and I think

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Speaker 2: I can completely see why you're saying that, and I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking the same thing where I think it's different than

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Speaker 2: it was last year is that they finally admitted they

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Speaker 2: they did that, right, Okay, so at least they acknowledged

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Speaker 2: I look at day one is those guys were signed

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Speaker 2: replacing Trey Hendricksen's production. You're also replacing josepho size production.

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Speaker 2: and then safety you upgrade it there. But the Bengals

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Speaker 2: Bengals needed to go out and sign a mic linebacker

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Speaker 2: to take over for Barrett Carter. What everybody was hoping

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Speaker 2: themselves up for their fans to be upset in a

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Speaker 2: way with that statement because they haven't backed it up.

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Speaker 1: Can they not multitask? And the reason I bring this

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Speaker 1: You were there at the owners meetings, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was an incredibly lame excuse, But the

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Speaker 1: message was we couldn't multitask. Can they not multitask and

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Speaker 1: go try to get the guys they got on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry on Monday and even the players they tried

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Speaker 1: out to and negotiate with players at other positions who

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Speaker 2: So there's my response that is going to be I

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Speaker 2: think it's a little bit twofold here. Keep in mind this,

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Speaker 2: think this is an important piece of information for Bengals

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Speaker 2: fans to keep in mind. Free agency is very much

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Speaker 2: player and his representation have to want to be in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: They have to want to negotiate with the Bengals. They

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Speaker 2: have to want their player to be there. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: have had history with some agents that represent a lot

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Speaker 2: So that's an important piece of information. Don't think that

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Speaker 2: the other part of what you're saying is can they

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Speaker 2: these things going on right now, like they're trying to book,

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Speaker 2: like when they're doing the pro days, they're trying to

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Speaker 2: it seems like they can't operate and do multiple things

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Speaker 2: when you ask questions like can they not multitask? Well,

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Speaker 2: then having a really small staff doesn't help in situations

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Speaker 2: number of times, temper your expectations because the Bengals didn't

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Speaker 2: I know that's frustrating for fans to hear. And you

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Speaker 2: can say, well, they'd at least be better than what

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Speaker 2: they had, sure, definitely, but the Bengals. The Bengals didn't

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Speaker 2: and that's why clearly you thought them not being in

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Speaker 2: as far as how the Bengals ended up up where

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Speaker 1: One more Kelsey Conway from The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com,

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Speaker 1: where she, by the way, takes your mailbag question. She

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Speaker 1: is also on Twitter at Kelsey L. Conway. What is

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Speaker 1: your overarching takeaway from Trey Hendrickson joining the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 2: I think it's fomical that you know, of course, Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson is gonna end up with a team in the

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Speaker 2: division and it be a new storyline, you know. No,

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Speaker 2: actually think he signed well, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: since I know how much he loved to talk about

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Speaker 2: Trey Henderson. But on a more serious note, I was

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Speaker 2: It was more of a relief that they don't have

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Speaker 2: it unfolded perfectly for Trey I thought it was very

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Speaker 2: interesting that he waited it out, and I thought him

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Speaker 2: with the Bengals thought he was in the upper echelon

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Speaker 2: of edge rushers, and the league told you this past week.

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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't view him how he viewed himself.

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Speaker 2: But it ended up working out for Trey. And it'll

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Speaker 2: certainly be interesting because I covered a lot of training

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Speaker 2: Trey knowing you know, how to beat Orlando Brown. Like,

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Speaker 2: the storylines are going to be really interesting there.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm excited because I'm a fan of

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Speaker 1: interesting and fun and Trey Hendrickson playing against the Bengals

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Speaker 1: we're plus two. Since you jumped on the phone with me,

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Speaker 1: you've been good luck. I know you have a lot

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Speaker 1: going on. I'll let you run.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as always, Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Kelsey Conway. Read her coverage of the

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