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Speaker 1: Good to see you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you too. Shelby hears, what's up, shell Man?

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Speaker 1: How we doing today?

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Speaker 2: Great man doing great?

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Speaker 3: Rockies come up just short loaded the bases with one out,

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Speaker 3: they come up to short and spring training I'll say this,

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Speaker 3: say this, you know, optimism is sighed and I don't

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Speaker 3: know ultimately, David, you're probably gonna correct me on this.

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Speaker 3: How much to read into spring training? But the Rockies

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Speaker 3: had they had a nice little winning streak there, they'd

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Speaker 3: won five in a row. They're double digit runs and

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Speaker 3: like every single game, a lot of guys, what is

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Speaker 3: there for me to correct? Well, how much of that

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Speaker 4: I think you can be optimistic that they're going to

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Speaker 4: be a better baseball team than last year, right, I

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Speaker 4: mean how much better? How many more wins will that

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Speaker 4: translate into? I don't have any idea, but I mean

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Speaker 4: they're not going to win what was it, forty two,

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Speaker 4: forty three, forty three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be better going out on a limb.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there'd be a lot better this should

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Speaker 5: I want to say a lot. I think, like maybe

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Speaker 5: like ten games than they were last year, just because

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Speaker 5: they were on pace to be the worst team ever

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Speaker 5: in baseball by at you know, at well at last year,

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Speaker 5: at the end of the season, they were literally trying

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Speaker 2: So I think, do you think they're only going to

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Speaker 5: That's over you're pitching half. You know, obviously this is

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't ten games more in the win column?

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Speaker 5: More?

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Speaker 3: But not of one hundred and sixty two for them? Yes,

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Speaker 3: you're right, you know how much even try to be back.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't even try to do try I should I shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, look you see that that extra.

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Speaker 3: Super optimist Shelby Harris. I don't know, Dave, you take

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'll be perfectly honest about it. I've been on

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Speaker 4: But I would think that they're gonna your numbers fifty four.

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Speaker 2: That's what he is.

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Speaker 4: I would think they will win. I would think they'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then everything above that I get right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was a Bob Barker. Yeah, yeah, so you

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Speaker 3: Of course, we're gonna spend a lot of time talking

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Speaker 3: all those kinds of things. But moments ago, the Nuggets

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Speaker 3: And of course there was a really rough weekend, losing

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a weird deal.

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Speaker 3: Because they went like ten to six without Joker struggling

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Speaker 2: Make it make sense. I can't really explain it to you, can.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty simple, just the It's like the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 5: Everybody's getting opportunities. Nobody's worried about trying to force certain

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Speaker 5: You still have Jabal Murray, but he's actually playing a

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's hard. They had plenty of open

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Speaker 3: the top of the hour here, I want to get

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Speaker 2: And then and they tell me that anyways.

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Speaker 1: Don't take it to heart. Well too much.

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Speaker 2: What was your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 4: My thought was you couldn't wait to get me on

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Speaker 1: That is it. I mean, let me just go ahead

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Speaker 1: because it happened so rarely. He was waiting for it.

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Speaker 1: I can't blame you. He was waiting for you.

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Speaker 4: He was I'm in the middle of a war zone

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Speaker 4: and he texted me, Hey, could you come on. It's like, Bro,

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Speaker 4: I'm not coming on to talk about this in February.

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Speaker 4: Here's here's what I would say. I was text you.

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Speaker 1: But if if this happens, then I was wrong.

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Speaker 4: I I'm not quite sure I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I do think this.

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Speaker 4: I think there there's a the quarterback is in play here.

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Speaker 5: Payton's a very proud person, very you know, very strong

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Speaker 4: What you're smiling about because he wants to say something else, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: But for him to do this and put the team first,

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Speaker 1: Of not having him.

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Speaker 3: I think both of you made some fantastic points. And then,

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Speaker 1: It was okay.

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Speaker 4: I did not manage it, Okay, I listen, I think

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Speaker 1: Day you about to say that you were right. I

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Speaker 4: I didn't have an interest in doing it that day.

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Speaker 4: Given what was going on.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so I understood, understood. It's one of those things

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: You say, well, you were in the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 2: That's a fact.

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Speaker 3: Also, maybe the defense had a big reason why, as

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Speaker 2: So offensively, there is another level to this.

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Speaker 3: Now. Can you say, well, give Sean another crack at

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Speaker 1: I think I think that is true.

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Speaker 4: I think I think keeping Davis web in the building

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Speaker 3: That Montgomery traded all that kind of stuff coming up

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Speaker 2: As a play caller. We've seen it. We've seen we've

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think. I don't think it would be

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Speaker 4: I think, in other words, if if Davis remains the

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Speaker 4: And then and then just had an off game, you know,

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Speaker 4: Thing would be, i'm i'm I think you're better off

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Speaker 4: So Sean had kept the play calling and then hit

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Speaker 5: Or at some point of under five hundred nine games

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't have time to install a brand

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Speaker 5: know what Sean likes. No one knows what David's web likes.

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Speaker 5: No one knows at all. And I think that right

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Speaker 5: there is what will protect him and will make them

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Speaker 5: successful at least until halfway through the year, and then

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Speaker 5: people will start to catch on those tendencies, and then

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Speaker 5: you got to start making changes as a coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Starred with our NFL Network insider Ian Rappaport, who joins

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Speaker 2: Ian, good, afternoon, my friend.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 5: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: How you guys doing?

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Speaker 1: We're doing good? Uh?

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Speaker 7: The time after the Combine.

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Speaker 4: Ryan is, I don't know how how much longer do

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Speaker 4: you think they'll have the Combine in its current form?

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it will always be around, and

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Speaker 6: I believe it will be an Indie for a long term.

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Speaker 6: I think it's fair that there are some questions, like

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Speaker 6: there weren't a ton of players working out. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think the medical is.

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Speaker 7: Really important, the energies are really important. But I think

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Speaker 7: one thing that we've seen as players are.

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Speaker 8: A little more like in control of their own future,

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Speaker 8: in control of their own situations.

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Speaker 6: They want to get paid all these things. You know,

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Speaker 6: I can see it changing a little bit. For instance,

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Speaker 6: you could have where a lot of the good prospects

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Speaker 6: don't participate, but there are some guys who want to

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Speaker 6: be part of it and dream of being part of it.

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Speaker 7: So, you know, I'm really curious to see.

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Speaker 6: What form it takes. I mean, the world evolves, the

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Speaker 6: nibose to evolve with it.

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Speaker 7: But like, I don't know, it's.

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Speaker 6: A really good question.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Iana Shelby heris here. You know, obviously we always

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Speaker 5: talk about the underwear Olympics. Uh, NonStop, That's what us

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Speaker 5: players think about it. But who and even though you're

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Speaker 5: running with no pads on and doing all this stuff

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Speaker 5: that's here relevant, who helps their stock to most?

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Speaker 1: You would say? During this combine week, well, I.

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Speaker 8: Sort of had my eyes on some of the quarterbacks

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Speaker 8: skill with There were some fast guys that Sala's brothers

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Speaker 8: were fast. Jeremiah Love, I think probably solidified himself.

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Speaker 7: Didn't help him.

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Speaker 8: He was fine, but probably solidified himself as you know,

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Speaker 8: a top five talent.

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Speaker 7: We'll see where he ends up going.

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Speaker 8: For me, this was about you know, Garrett nuss Meyer,

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Speaker 8: jew Aller, you know, two quarterbacks were injured, didn't play

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Speaker 8: great this season.

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Speaker 7: We're highly talented in coming into the season, and.

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Speaker 6: People wanted to see him throw and like, I don't

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Speaker 6: know where they go.

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Speaker 8: It's a little too early for that, but I could

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Speaker 8: see someone talking themselves into like, all right, he was

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Speaker 8: a highly touted quarterback.

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Speaker 6: He didn't play great, but he's really got tons of tools.

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Speaker 8: I can turn him into something. You know, we never

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Speaker 8: see second round quarterbacks, and maybe we see some this

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Speaker 8: year which are a little more products than usual.

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Speaker 7: So that's those are the guys.

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Speaker 3: I was sort of thinking of ian Dave Montgomery getting

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Speaker 3: trade today to the Texans, so fourth, the seventh and

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Speaker 3: an offensive lineman there Drew Scruggs. So what was your

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Speaker 3: reaction to that trade? Is that about what you thought

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Speaker 3: he'd go for?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I would say.

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Speaker 8: I would say my sort of initial thought was that

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Speaker 8: he was going to be traded for a five, and

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Speaker 8: I think someone kind of came in the last minute,

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Speaker 8: and you know, up the officer ended up being a

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Speaker 8: four and a seven and.

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Speaker 7: A player, you know, a player who is a backup

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Speaker 7: for them, but still a player. You know.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was a good deal.

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Speaker 7: I think Houston has always done a great job of

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Speaker 7: acquiring you know.

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Speaker 8: Veteran running backs who are powerful, who maybe have.

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Speaker 7: Like a year or maybe two left. I think they'd

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Speaker 7: liked to get two years out of them. So they've

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Speaker 7: done it with Joe Mixon, They've done it with.

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Speaker 8: Nick Chubb, and now they've done it, you know.

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Speaker 7: The hope to deal with David Montgomery. So I liked

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Speaker 7: it for their standpoint, and you know, for Detroit they'll

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Speaker 7: probably draft it back.

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Speaker 8: But paying Jamior Gibbs obviously a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: So ian final question for me.

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Speaker 4: We were we were talking a little bit earlier and

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Speaker 4: the news broke at the Combine in terms of Davis

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Speaker 4: Webb being the primary play caller this upcoming season, and

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Speaker 4: it's we know what it sort of means to us

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Speaker 4: because we've we've chopped it up for the last hour

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Speaker 4: or so here, But what does that say to somebody

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Speaker 4: like you in terms of somebody that covers the league

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Speaker 4: on a national basis.

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Speaker 1: When you heard that news, what what did it say

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Speaker 1: to you?

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's sort of established him as the guy

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Speaker 8: who's going to be head coach next year.

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Speaker 7: And I thought to Sean Payton about this as well.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know if any job was perfect

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Speaker 8: for Davis this year, and I don't know if it

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Speaker 8: was the right time anyway.

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Speaker 7: He's still really young.

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Speaker 8: But Sean Payton empowering him, choosing him to be the

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Speaker 8: guy who could take play calling off Sean Payton's plate,

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Speaker 8: you know, really to me showed him to be all right,

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Speaker 8: He's he's the guy, he's.

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Speaker 7: The one to watch for next year they.

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Speaker 8: Have a good year, like they should, I think Davis

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Speaker 8: web will be a head coach and my guess is

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Speaker 8: he was probably headed to do that anyway.

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Speaker 3: All Right, last one I have for you, Ian, and

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Only popping on with us last week. Also,

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Speaker 3: Albright dragged you over. That was very kind of you

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Speaker 3: to give.

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Speaker 7: Us some ex notice.

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Speaker 2: That was very kind of you'd give us some extra time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a free agency coming up here in

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Speaker 3: a week, and we keep hearing all these rumors about

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Speaker 3: maybe more trades this year than and then possibly like

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Speaker 3: a lot of action and free agency.

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing about the balance of that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think we'll get some trades.

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Speaker 8: Teams up cap space, and it's not a great free

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Speaker 8: agent class.

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Speaker 7: So generally, when it's not a great class, you say, like.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's we'll make some trades. So, you know,

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 7: We'll get some. I think it'll be some, you know,

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Speaker 7: maybe some big name guys. I'm more like mid level

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Speaker 7: guys who can't get in trade agency. I'll take on

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Speaker 7: this salary that I really don't want.

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Speaker 1: For a trade.

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Speaker 8: So I think, you know, we'll keep our head in

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Speaker 8: the swivel the next ten days or so.

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Speaker 7: It's going to be pretty fun.

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Speaker 5: Well, going back to the trade talk, you know here

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Speaker 5: in Denver, the idea of a trade has been spoken

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Speaker 5: of a lot lately, talking about AJ Brown and you know,

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Speaker 5: him possibly leaving the Eagles and possibly coming to what

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Speaker 5: have you heard necessarily when it comes to the Eagles

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Speaker 5: keeping a J Brown or them finally a trade partner

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Speaker 5: that you know they could get them check them out

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Speaker 5: of Philly.

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Speaker 7: I don't think the Eagles want to trade aj Brown.

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Speaker 7: I think they would. I think they would do it

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Speaker 7: for the right deal. I don't think they want to,

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Speaker 7: you know, I would say that it's going to be expensive.

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Speaker 7: It's going to be a first rounder and more, and

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Speaker 7: we'll see if anyone.

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Speaker 1: Meets the price.

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Speaker 7: He's a really good player, but.

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Speaker 8: He's also a little bit of an older receivers on

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Speaker 8: his third contract. I'm pretty up in the air now

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Speaker 8: about whether that happens, but I know at least they're.

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Speaker 1: Going to listen.

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Speaker 2: Ian always appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Terrific work as always last week, man, and thank you

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Speaker 3: for the time.

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Speaker 2: We'll check you next week. Okay, I appreciate thank you.

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Speaker 3: Ian Rappaport joining us, Yeah, he was kind of you

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Speaker 3: joined us on Monday on the phone, and then Albright

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Speaker 3: dragged him over for a few minutes in person after

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Speaker 3: the news broke. I've been yeah, so so been out

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Speaker 3: there hustling working, love it. Yeah, it's a nice change

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Speaker 3: of pace. Five six six zeros or ka kamas for

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Speaker 3: a hell text line. What what what's with your digs

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Speaker 3: at the combine?

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Speaker 2: What's just like your digs? You've been well, that's different though.

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Speaker 5: The Combin' is a waste of time, complete waste of time.

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Speaker 5: It's more for us, you see how I said, us

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Speaker 5: media members and coaches and everyone to get together, because

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Speaker 5: now it's kind of just turned into like a hangout

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Speaker 5: party because most of the people don't even work out.

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Speaker 5: You know, the top guys, they don't work out. So

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Speaker 5: now it's it's a business decision because you can obviously

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Speaker 5: drop in your stock or you can raise yourself up.

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Speaker 5: So I feel like a lot of guys don't. But

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Speaker 5: also my biggest issue with the combine is nothing actually

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Speaker 5: about the combine is it's the fact that we don't

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Speaker 5: do the drills and pads. That's literally what we played

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Speaker 5: the game in in pads. I know guys that can

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Speaker 5: go out there running four to three with our pads on.

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Speaker 5: They put the pads on, they run a four to

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Speaker 5: six like that type. That's weight on you, and some

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Speaker 5: guys move better with it than others. So wouldn't you

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Speaker 5: want to evaluate those players in the right equipment.

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Speaker 1: That's like, hey, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Going to go evaluate a baseball player hitting a baseball

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Speaker 5: with a Batman record like it just doesn't make any sense,

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Speaker 5: And I think it's something that I should definitely be

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Speaker 5: talked about and maybe figured out for later, because I

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Speaker 5: think that also skews the evaluation process. We're watching guys

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Speaker 5: run around and compression shorts. Compression shorts, that's it. Of

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Speaker 5: course you're gonna run your fastest time ever, and like

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Speaker 5: of course you're going to go and jump high. You

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Speaker 5: don't have that weight holding you down. I want to

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Speaker 5: see a receiver jump with pads on because I need

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Speaker 5: to know can you do a fifty fifty ball. I

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Speaker 5: need to see you do routes with pads on because

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Speaker 5: I need to see I need to see you get

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Speaker 5: in and out of your cuts, like d line. I

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Speaker 5: need to see you change direction with pads on, because

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Speaker 5: you're going to have to do that in a game.

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Speaker 5: None of this stuff matters when you're doing it with

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Speaker 5: no pads on, and that's why I think it's.

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Speaker 1: A waste time.

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Speaker 2: Dave, do you concur with his assessment of the combline.

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Speaker 4: I agree with it more than I don't. I don't think,

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Speaker 4: but I thought this for a long time. I just

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Speaker 4: don't think you can tell too much about too much

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Speaker 4: about players, and I think the league sometimes gets in

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Speaker 4: its own way in terms of the evaluation of a player,

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Speaker 4: and it can be well intentioned, but you go to

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Speaker 4: the combine and you see somebody that ran a little

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Speaker 4: bit better than you had them previously, and they were

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Speaker 4: five pounds bigger, and they instead of running four to

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Speaker 4: four to two, they ran four to three eight. And

663
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Speaker 4: so all of a sudden, that works in your mind,

664
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Speaker 4: and that raises for some teams, that raises where you

665
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: think that player is going to be slotted. And to me,

666
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: if I were in a scouting organization, that's faulty logic. Right,

667
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the tape.

668
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: Now.

669
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 4: If the guy comes in and he's fifteen pounds overweight, well,

670
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: then now we've got something different here, because now you

671
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: have a guy that obviously is not accountable, and unless

672
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: there's some sort of emergency in his life, for him

673
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: to come to camp and come to the combine fifteen

674
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: pounds overweight would mean I'm not drafting you.

675
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: But the little moves, the little subtle.

676
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: Moves that are made there, they don't pertain to football.

677
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: I want to see the tape of the guy in

678
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: the pads in the games, and so I would pull back.

679
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: And I know it's interesting because teams. A couple of

680
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: teams have started to do that where the head guy

681
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: doesn't go a lot of it is it's the only

682
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: chance of the year to sort of interact with other

683
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: gms or other head coaches or guys that you're you know,

684
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: a little bit close to, and and so it turns

685
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: into that, right and maybe putting false information out there

686
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 4: to gullible people like the three of us in this room.

687
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: But I I if I'm if I'm the GM of

688
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 4: a team or the head coach of a team, I'm

689
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm not I'm not gonna get involved in

690
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: that nearly to the extent that other teams do.

691
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's exactly what I'm saying. It's just it's

692
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: more for the gms the coaches than it really is

693
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 5: for evaluating talent like that, you know it does. It

694
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: just doesn't make any sense to just constantly keep evaluating

695
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 5: these guys like this instead of the easiest thing to

696
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: do is just watch the film.

697
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 2: Well, I want to have both.

698
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: The film is what matters. Maybe the films.

699
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a fallacy there because maybe

700
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: the teams do view the film is the most important thing.

701
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: This is more of a checks and balance.

702
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: This is more of a All right, well, I I've

703
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: watched you on film a lot, and now I want

704
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 3: to see some baseline on what your athletic trades Meke Mamulas.

705
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 4: That name familiar to me. I know the name, Yes,

706
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 4: Mike Mamula. I don't even remember what year was. Boston

707
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: College linebacker was projected to be not a first rounder.

708
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: I can't even remember where he was projected it came.

709
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: I mean, these these athletes today train specifically for these

710
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: drills Anthony Robson, Why would you not think they're going

711
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: to jump higher, be a little bit faster, maybe more reps.

712
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: On the on the two twenty five. I mean, why

713
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: would they not.

714
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: If they spend from when their season ends until when

715
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 4: the combine starts training with guys that are really.

716
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: Good on those events.

717
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: Mike Mmula is not scheduled to be a first round

718
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 4: draft choice at a Boston college.

719
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: He lit up the combine the I think.

720
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: The Eagles, right, I think the Eagles took him like

721
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: I couldn't play.

722
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 5: John Ross wide receiver, wide receiver. When did a combine

723
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 5: forty times set a blazing forty time? Got drafted extremely high,

724
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 5: couldn't play And it's not their fault. We talk about busts,

725
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: and we talk about these guys who don't live up

726
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 5: to the hype. Your hype was right when you were

727
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 5: watching the tape, and then he went up there and

728
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 5: ran at four to three, and now you're like, oh,

729
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 5: this guy might be top five material. Well, did you

730
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: see him burning defenses in college? Did you see him

731
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: routing people up in college? If you didn't see that happen,

732
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 5: more and likely it's not going to happen in the NFL,

733
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 5: no matter how fast you run.

734
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: I think those are all fantastic points. I mean, I

735
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 3: disagree slightly.

736
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: With both of you when it comes to the value

737
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: of the combine.

738
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: Why well, because first of all, the importance of the

739
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: combine is the interview in the medicals, like, really, if

740
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: you want to salt.

741
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: It down, then why make it work out?

742
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Well, then it's just more and more because you already

743
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: have them there, so you have the opportunity.

744
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Now we've turned this into a primetime event. I don't

745
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: even know if it needs to be a necessary a

746
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: prime time event, especially as more and more players are

747
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: opting not to even work out. I think we're nearing

748
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: ten percent of so of players that are actually doing

749
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: all of the drills. Actually, I take that back.

750
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: I think there's only three or four guys that actually

751
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: did all the drills of all the players out there.

752
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: People are just guys are electing not to do it

753
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: the way Tiller pro day. And so I'm on the

754
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 3: same page when it comes to that stuff. It's about

755
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: baseline stuff. It's about medicals, it's about interview, having a

756
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: chance to meet all these guys in one place. You

757
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: do the speed dating thing where you get twenty minutes

758
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: with them and you can do the rechecks and bring

759
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: them in and so on and so forth.

760
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: But I could agree with that part of your argument.

761
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, then don't work them out, and that's about medicals

762
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: and about meeting them.

763
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, have a three day event. Just come on in.

764
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: We just want to talk to you and have the

765
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: doctor check every cavity in your body and then you're

766
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 4: good to go.

767
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 5: Well football, you know, the combine noles of money maker

768
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: for the cavity. You know, we over here we have

769
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 5: lotteries to figure out where what you know, we're trying

770
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 5: to figure out what city the combine is going to

771
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: be in. This is a money maker for Indianapolis. This

772
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 5: is a money maker for the NFL. It's turned into

773
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 5: a huge ordeal that has nothing any more to do

774
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Speaker 5: with actually trying to evaluate football players.

775
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: Well, the evaluation, the bigger parts of the evaluation take

776
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: place not on camera.

777
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Well think about like this.

778
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: Okay, you're saying they do these evaluations off camera, So

779
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: then what is the point of these teams running and

780
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: doing this thing all over him when they bring them

781
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 5: in per visit Because they're doing it's pretty repetitive if

782
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: we're redundant.

783
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: They do it at the.

784
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 5: Combine and then do the same thing at the Pro Day.

785
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 5: We're going to measure you at the combine. We're going

786
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 5: to measure at the.

787
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Pro Day anymore.

788
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: Not for the players.

789
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: This is specifically a NFL like coach and GM hangout.

790
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: That is what the combine is at this point, and

791
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 5: the media members go down there and they get to

792
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: hang out and see each other from you know, everyone

793
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 5: that covers all the different teams. It's a hangout. The

794
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 5: players are the least important part of this thing. Now,

795
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 5: it's everything else.

796
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of information exchanged during that time.

797
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Most stream or otherwise, you can do that, it's different

798
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: in person. It just is.

799
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say that it's a hangout. It's okay,

800
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: that's fine.

801
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: I only went out one night.

802
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: I didn't hang out, and I still got plenty of

803
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: information and opportunities to talk to people around the league.

804
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: So but that's but that's a media thing.

805
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: Sure, what's the point for for like the players, for

806
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: the coaches, for the gms.

807
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: If the GMS want to go and the media wants

808
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: to go, then that's fine. I just the working out

809
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: part of it, to me is an antiquated way. And

810
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: I know it still applies for certain NFL people when

811
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: they see they.

812
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: Fall in love with a guy's speed.

813
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: Or a guys strength, or his explosion on the vertical jump,

814
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: you know instead, And I think if you're not careful,

815
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: I think it can cloud the judgment when you sit

816
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 4: in front of that computer and you look at that tape,

817
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: and I'm always going to say, I want to see

818
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 4: the tape. I want to see every snap this guy took,

819
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: rather than how high the guy can jump.

820
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: That's the most important thing is how do you play football?

821
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with That's the only thing. I don't think.

822
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: It's the only thing about.

823
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 5: Example I have for that Josie Jewel. Josie Jewel is

824
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 5: an awful combine tester, but I loved playing in front.

825
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 5: I loved having him behind me every play. He did

826
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 5: not run super fast, he does not jump super he's

827
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 5: not very good at changing direction. But what he is,

828
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 5: he's a football player. He's sitting that he's going to

829
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 5: tell you where the ball is going. He's going to

830
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: beat the most wonderful, reliable linebackers. And that's the thing

831
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: guys like that where his college tape is dominant, Chelsea Jewel,

832
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 5: Drayton College, and it's just he wasn't fast. They don't

833
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: think he can cover the tight end. Well, I don't

834
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 5: linebackers that run for three that can't cover tight ends.

835
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 5: So speed isn't necessarily everything. And I think we just

836
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 5: get caught up in these in these metrics that we

837
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 5: see at the Combine and really don't have anything to

838
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 5: do with football. That's why I said, watched it, like

839
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 5: Dave says, watch the tape, because the tape does not lie,

840
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 5: that film does not lie. If you see a guy

841
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: that can cover on film, I don't. I don't need

842
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 5: to see what he runs a forty in to feel

843
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 5: good about drafting that guy, I need football players, not

844
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: underwear all Americans.

845
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: Well, I respect your view on that, and GMS tend

846
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: to disagree. They want as much information as possible, especially

847
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: if they're spending millions of dollars on a possible prospect.

848
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: O way, Josie Jewels still got drafted in the fourth round.

849
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: Also like three days, so honest about this.

850
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 5: He tried to plush it as like the GM's instagram. No, no, no,

851
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 5: they like to hang out and we all know that's

852
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 5: the biggest thing that happens here. Okay, it's a big

853
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: hangout party.

854
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: Almos.

855
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: Everybody's going to Saint Elmos for the shrimp content.

856
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I can't jump shrimp.

857
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: Oh they're amazing, But I didn't go. This is your

858
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: exciting because you.

859
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 5: Didn't go, Like yeah, because there was no reservations.

860
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: The whole the whole league was there.

861
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: I've been to Saint Elmos. A doesn't times it doesn't

862
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: or are it's You don't need to go to sant

863
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: almost you actually go to Harry and Iszies next door.

864
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: They have the same food if you want it, so

865
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 3: you don't have to actually deal with the Saint Elmo's crowd.

866
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: If you don't want to. If you'd like the food, okay,

867
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: you go there. Plus there's plenty of people to hang

868
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: out with there. Look at you if you want.

869
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Roping some establishment Indianapolis, I.

870
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Thought you'd appreciate that.

871
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, as I'm hanging out out there in Indy, we.

872
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Were saying the GM's hanging out.

873
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, somebody's on the text like, don't take away Ryan's

874
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: road trip, thank you, thank you, somebody somebody gets it all.

875
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: Right, we'll come back.

876
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: I do want to get your thighs thoughts on that

877
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: trade today with David Montgomery.

878
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: Now Ian said it. He didn't say the name.

879
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: He said that there was somebody jumping in our guy,

880
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: then Albright, there was the Broncos that actually jumped in,

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Speaker 3: and then the Texans jumped over them with a bigger offer.

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about what that means when

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Speaker 2: we come back