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Speaker 1: Need help with your bracket. Our next guest has had

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Speaker 1: up next, Chuck Ingram. I'm fifty five krs the talk station.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thirty two fifty five krs the talk station. A

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Speaker 2: very happy Wednesday if you always made extra special happy

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Speaker 2: with the enlightened conversation we get from Judgejentnapaultan who's kind

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Speaker 2: enough to join the program every Wednesday at this time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back your honor. I love talking with you man,

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Speaker 2: a great op ed piece. It's always great, but yours

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Speaker 2: put a smile on my face today. It's good to

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Speaker 2: have you back on the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian, It's good to be here. No

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Speaker 3: matter what nonsensical introduction Ingram wants to offer, no.

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Speaker 2: Question about it, you can always kind of a raised

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Speaker 2: eyebrow when it comes.

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Speaker 1: To him, can't Joe?

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Speaker 3: I can tame him.

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Speaker 2: No, we don't want him to be tamed. Well, we

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Speaker 2: give him an opportunity to make, you know, say something comical,

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Speaker 2: say something funny or thoroughly embarrasses embarrass himself, which is

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Speaker 2: his prerogative.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how are you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I am doing fine, Thank you for asking. And I'm

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Speaker 2: back to work today. I have my cancer treatments last

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Speaker 2: So I'm not one hundred percent, but feeling much better

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Speaker 2: than the last several days. And again you're in my prayers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man.

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Speaker 1: And how how is.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Massey doing after the President visited his congressional district

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Speaker 3: to tell lies about him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know Congressman Massy probably, but as

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Speaker 2: well as I do, things like that do not phase him.

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Speaker 2: He's used to it. He continues to do what he

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Speaker 2: I think on some level, and my Northern Kentucky friends

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Speaker 2: that keep re electing him time after time, I think

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Speaker 2: they truly appreciate the thorn on the side that Thomas

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Speaker 2: Massey is generally speaking, but he is there to protect

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Speaker 2: the very issues you're raising in your calm today. The

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Speaker 2: Constitution in the United States first amendments free speech at things,

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Speaker 2: the Constitution, the highest law of the land, and a

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Speaker 2: man who remembers his oath of office, unlike so many others, who,

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Speaker 3: We can start with the chair of the Federal Commifications Commission.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, let my remind my listeners, might I say that

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Speaker 2: the SEC only regulates broadcast media as distinct from newspapers,

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Speaker 2: it was constitutional in the first place, as your article

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, and now he's threatening it again. So for

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Speaker 3: what they're trying to do is to chill free speech.

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Speaker 3: They are trying to cause those of us who are

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Has condemned that schilling is profoundly unconstitutional. It's the equivalent

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess has the Equal time rull ever been

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Speaker 3: The equal time provision was tested in federal courts that

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Speaker 3: So that's where it is. But there are four FCC commissioners,

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Speaker 3: three have been appointed by President Trump. They could reconstitute

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Speaker 3: the equal time provision with a simple vote of the

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Speaker 3: three of them tomorrow. Now, that wouldn't affect the licenses

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Speaker 3: what he's talking about, but he's trampling on free speech.

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Speaker 2: Well, FCC was putting a place back again when we

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Speaker 3: The theory of the communications sect of nineteen thirty four

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Speaker 3: nobody else could broadcast in that bandwidth. In return for

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Speaker 3: Yes, there was no expansion, there was no creativity until

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Speaker 2: States, usually without using the bandwidth. It gave him the

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Speaker 2: I know cable doesn't use a bandwidth. Correct, my internet

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but it's dangerous because the one two

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Speaker 3: the FCC is chilling and will make people think twice.

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Speaker 3: I mean. Secretary Hegseth was quite specific and looked at

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Speaker 3: to change once Larry Ellison takes over CNN, Well, that

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Speaker 3: is just outrageous. Why does the government fear answering questions?

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Speaker 3: Why does the government want to suppress the speech of

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, you know. And going after late

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Speaker 2: I find that, Well, they're killing themselves in the ratings.

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Speaker 2: The market forces will certainly address matters, and there's always

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Speaker 2: as you.

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Speaker 1: Just mentioned, yes, yes, well.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you. As I mentioned in my email

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Speaker 2: response to you, those who have asked for equal time

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Speaker 2: usually kind of regret doing it your honor, you know,

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Speaker 2: give it enough row, Just give him enough row. So great.

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Speaker 2: We contended that from time to time here in the

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Speaker 2: morning show. The name of the column free speech for me,

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Speaker 2: but not for the check it out it comes out

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Speaker 2: early thanks to the judge being on the program today.

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Speaker 2: But also we always part company on your judging freedom

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Speaker 2: podcasts or I'm curious to know who you're going to

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Speaker 3: I have the Great Pepe Escobar, Professor Glenn Dieson and

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Speaker 3: the Great Phil Giraldi. Tomorrow Colonel Douglas McGregor.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian, always interesting. God love you, sir. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk next Wenesday. Have a great week. It's eight forty

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Speaker 2: one right now. We're going to talk about an evening

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