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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.

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Speaker 2: Our three is here. Let's get it started and talk

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Speaker 2: about the Cincinnati Bearcats with our guy Coveringthecats from Bearcat

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Speaker 2: Journal dot Com. I'm not talking about Chad Brendle. I

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Speaker 2: think he's in later for Mowager. I'm talking about one

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Speaker 2: Kegan Nikoson kind enough to join us. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is he in between Bloomington and Cincinnati right now? He's

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out the bubble outlook for the Bearcats,

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Speaker 2: keeping eyes on the Hoosiers as well. Keegan, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Nothing much?

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Speaker 4: It's my favorite time of the year, so I'm excited

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Speaker 4: to be covering a team that at least has a

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Speaker 4: chance to play for something come March.

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Speaker 2: Leaving on the bubble.

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Speaker 5: I remember texting you a couple of months ago and

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Speaker 5: I said, Hey, would you be willing to come on

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Speaker 5: with us every single Thursday from now until the end

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Speaker 5: of basketball season? And you said yes? Is that in jeopardy?

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Speaker 5: Is this relationship up in jeopardy in the future? Based

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Speaker 5: off the way Tony has treated you? Repeatedly all year,

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Speaker 5: despite your generosity.

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Speaker 4: No, it's because you know, I just take so much

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Speaker 4: time out of my day and I really do this for.

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Speaker 3: The love of the game.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Austin, if you started a show, I'd

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Speaker 4: come on the right. I just think we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: to renegotiate my deal. I'm sure next season. That's why

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Speaker 4: pipe in October. I know what that negotiation would sound

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Speaker 4: like on our end. Thank you for your time, Kigg.

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Speaker 2: And it felt like a couple of weeks ago we

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Speaker 2: talked and I mentioned something about the NCAA Tournament and

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Speaker 2: you just kind of shot it down and where this

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Speaker 2: team was, and rightfully so, where this team was after

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Speaker 2: the West Virginia loss at home fifty four points, blowing

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Speaker 2: a fourteen point lead, and the loss at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: It kind of felt after that, Yeah, they woned Kansas,

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Speaker 2: but then you lose that and yet here we talk

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Speaker 2: today about one of the best teams playing right now

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Speaker 2: in college basketball. What has changed in your opinion?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember I was walking around the parking lot

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Speaker 4: of the Costco and I chastised you for giving everyone hope. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: because they were like sixtieth and the net I really

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Speaker 4: I think what Wes says about finding the nucleus and

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Speaker 4: playing with the nucleus is really the biggest thing, because

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Speaker 4: it's all it all just has to be rhythm. Because

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Speaker 4: it really doesn't make sense that you lose Shanabaya if

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Speaker 4: it wasn't really playing that well to begin with, but

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Speaker 4: your rotation shortens down that much and you just start

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Speaker 4: playing like one of the best teams in the country.

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Speaker 3: It's both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 4: It's offensive defense, it's shot making, and it's sharing the ball,

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Speaker 4: it's rebounding, every facet of the game.

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Speaker 3: They're just absolutely killing it.

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Speaker 4: So I think, and you've mentioned it before, the shortened

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Speaker 4: rotations and Jallehn Celestine is finally fully healthy and you're

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Speaker 4: starting to see how he can impact the game, even

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Speaker 4: if it's just making three or four threes. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just think the nucleus playing with that start five

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Speaker 4: of Gisel James, David Thomas, Celestine, Sean and Baba Miller.

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably the biggest thing leading to the turnaround.

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Speaker 2: I was at a point watching the BYU game and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, if you would have told me

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Speaker 2: back in December that the final home game of the year.

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Speaker 2: The first two players off the bench are going to

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Speaker 2: be Zella and Sincere Harris. I would have told you

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Speaker 2: that we are in a very serious predicament. But to

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Speaker 2: your point, it feels like they have found something by

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Speaker 2: playing seven, maybe eight guys at times. Is that something

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Speaker 2: that you can continue if you're Wes Miller and find

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Speaker 2: success that way the rest of the way out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't think you have a choice.

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Speaker 4: I think maybe Seanabaia gets healthy and he's plugged into

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Speaker 4: the lineup, Maybe Tyler McKinley can continue to get healthy.

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Speaker 4: But I just don't know if you really if you

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Speaker 3: At this point, like, what do you have to lose?

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Speaker 4: Like you've done all this, it's basically been a miracle.

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Speaker 4: Just keep doing it and see if it works. I mean,

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Speaker 4: outside of the Texas Tech game, they've been very very good.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I just don't I don't think you really

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Speaker 3: Six minutes a game. But I say, just stick with

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Speaker 6: But do you think that's also something that can be

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Speaker 6: a lesson learned in the offseason when it comes to

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Speaker 6: acquiring players of like, we don't need to get and

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Speaker 6: pay a lot of money for eleven or twelve guys

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Speaker 6: if we can have seven or.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that's maybe a lesson learned this year?

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Speaker 3: It could be.

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Speaker 4: I just think the the case with that is no

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Speaker 4: one expected Bobba Miller to be this good. Like they

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Speaker 4: expected him to be good and impactful. But when you

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Speaker 4: recruit those guys who have primarily played like overseas with

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Speaker 3: Basketball was like.

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Speaker 4: But those guys are usually pretty soft or like the

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Speaker 4: tell on them is that they play the game kind

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Speaker 3: They just want to score offensively.

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Speaker 4: He's come in and he's played maybe the hardest of

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Speaker 4: better than expected, and then he's also providing so much as.

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Speaker 4: So I just think if you're like you have to

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Speaker 4: I don't think he was on the lower end of

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Speaker 4: in terms of what guys made per year, but one

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Speaker 4: you just have to hit on one of those, kind

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if that really changes much. I

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Speaker 4: think you have to just like Wes did, target size

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Speaker 4: and target depth. And now you're starting to get that

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Speaker 4: kind of automatic offensive performance from Boba Miller and Mustafa

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Speaker 4: Miller hasn't been able to get.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Mustapha Chaman, Boba Miller. There have been times

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Speaker 2: this year where we've talked on Thursdays and said, what

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Speaker 2: is this team's identity? At this point, it feels like

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Speaker 2: they have figured that out. Offensively, they have played more

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Speaker 2: through Mustapha Chaman, Boba Miller. I feel like in a

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Speaker 2: the biggs and find a way when they do double

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Speaker 2: I think one of Boba Miller's greatest strength is his passing.

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Speaker 2: I think that's undervalued in a way, the way he

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Speaker 2: finds guys open all over the court. Do they now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can see with Boba and like how he

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Speaker 4: facilitates and how he dishes everything out like he was

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Speaker 4: he still has all those kind of intangibles in those traits.

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Speaker 3: But that would be the identity for the team to me.

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Speaker 4: Is use your size down low and take advantage of

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Speaker 4: the mismatches like they did against Kansas, like.

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Speaker 3: They've done it multiple times.

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Speaker 4: Because Sham is just starting to be like automatic offensively,

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Speaker 4: Like it reminds me of Gary Clark when he got

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Speaker 3: Now he's using that mid.

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Speaker 4: Range to where he releases the ball so high there's

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Speaker 4: then Bob A just driving to the hoop and drawing fouls.

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Speaker 4: Now I think it was before last game, Musafa Cham

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Speaker 4: took twenty one free throws over a three game period,

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Speaker 4: seven in each game, and you had to go back

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Speaker 4: the game before that three game stretch started, all the

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Speaker 4: way to lipscumb is how any games it was for

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Speaker 4: him to rack up twenty one free throws Dayda Thomas

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Speaker 4: is starting to get to the line more. I've come

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Speaker 4: on here and said multiple times, your ninety percent free

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Speaker 4: That just can't happen. So that's starting to trickle down.

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Speaker 4: But like this, this team's success, it begins and it

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Speaker 4: ends with Baba Miller and Mustafa Cham. The thing that's

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Speaker 4: making them like the fifth best team in the country.

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Speaker 3: Over this what is it.

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Speaker 4: Sixth nine games spam is Gisel James, Dada Thomas and

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that people often talk

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Speaker 2: to a negative I would hear about Wes is that

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Speaker 2: the players just don't seem to develop much. I think

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Speaker 2: that's opposite. When you look at this roster. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: Jalen Celestine I think of a guy in Bob A. Miller,

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Speaker 2: ki Shan Tillery, Mustapha Chalm. If you look at this turnaround,

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Speaker 2: you have to look at players and you've got to

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Speaker 2: give credit where it's due. They have found a way

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you would hope that Musafa Chama be

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Speaker 4: able to come back next year, but like either the

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Speaker 4: price tag there's been a lot of expensive or he's

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Speaker 4: going to the NBA. Baba Miller is taking a big

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Speaker 4: step forward. He's very very trendy NBA draft pick. And

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Speaker 4: I think if you're actually going to look at the development, Keishan.

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Speaker 3: Tillery is one the number one case.

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Speaker 4: Just the confidence that he's playing with on both sides

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Speaker 4: of the ball, how he's actually getting to the hoop.

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Speaker 4: Like my biggest gripe still with day Day and Jiz

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Speaker 4: like it'll be an open lane or there'll be one

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Speaker 4: did you shoot ninety from the free throw? Go get

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Speaker 4: just go and draw contact and go to the free

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Speaker 4: throw line. So but I think Keishawan, and I've said

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Speaker 4: it before, if there's a coaching change or if West stays,

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Speaker 4: he should be an integral part of the team going forward,

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Speaker 4: just for his leadership capabilities.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the biggest way to.

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Speaker 4: See if West can all of a sudden develop guys

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Speaker 4: is if Shanna Byev comes back and all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden just starts lighting it up. Sure, because that was

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Speaker 4: kind of that was the nail on the coffin of

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Speaker 4: the West can't develop guys when you bring in a

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Speaker 4: McDonald's all American and he struggles so much.

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Speaker 2: The way in which they played against BYU, the way

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Speaker 2: in which they've gone on this stretch. They're not just

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Speaker 2: winning games, Keegan, they're dominating games. And I don't care

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Speaker 2: at the competition level. I know it's not the top

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Speaker 2: tier teams in the Big Twelve. Are you throw Kansas

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Speaker 2: in there? BYU was a quad one win? What does

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Speaker 2: it say about a team? Because we have this conversation

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Speaker 2: Sure. So now I don't know what is real and

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Speaker 3: To my boss, Chad Brundle.

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Speaker 4: Is that your plan right now. It's basically I'm going

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Speaker 2: If they lose, I will not Okay, okay, so must

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Speaker 3: You hadese gummy bears?

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Speaker 2: No? All the What.

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Speaker 4: Is that a brand? Or is it a country? It's

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Speaker 4: New Albany's Albanese gummy bears are the best gummy bears ever.

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Speaker 2: Kagan, you say that I am often criticized and ridiculed

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, is.

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Speaker 2: That something that you would you would ever think to

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Speaker 3: Austin, what are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 5: Listen, I've I've been trying to get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Like there's literally no no suit take

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Speaker 5: We will not eat anything like. It's everything's plain, there's

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Speaker 2: Well, that's disgusting, and I beat that now. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, go ahead and butterfly it. Don't even ask

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Speaker 3: Disgusting, man, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that, Kegan, thank you for worth.

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Speaker 5: I know our listening audience can't see this, but Keegan

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Speaker 2: He's in his car now.

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Speaker 4: I'm on the way home from a press conference and

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Speaker 2: Okay. What do you think about Indiana's opportunity as a

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Speaker 4: I don't like. I don't understand. They did the same

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Speaker 5: On Saturday, Bruce needs twelve points to become the all

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Speaker 4: You're thought, oh my gosh, that was way too much

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Speaker 2: Propaganda or is it fact? Keggan, I'm an Ohio State fan.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday, we need Indiana and to lose. I'm sorry, no,

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Speaker 4: Now I'm in a good situation. I get a team

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you guys have had enough. You want football,

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Speaker 2: Kig, And how can folks follow along with your journey

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Speaker 2: Gummy Bears and so much more.

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Speaker 4: Paulo ka nikoson forty two on X and then catch

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Speaker 2: It is best time in my week. K Nickoson, Right there, Kigan, thanks, sayah,

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Speaker 2: A week before camp got up and going, he started

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Speaker 2: feeling the discomfort again. So now he has scheduled to

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Speaker 2: come back. He's going to see the team doctor, doctor

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Speaker 2: Timothy Kremchek, and then he's going out early next week

443
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Speaker 2: to see doctor Neil Elatross for a second opinion. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of thoughts about this that that we can

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Speaker 2: dive into. But as Austin and I were talking, who

446
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Speaker 2: better to talk to about this and any injury or

447
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Speaker 2: questions that we have than our guy, Bob man Jean

448
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Speaker 2: from the University of Cincinnati and novacare who joins us

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Speaker 2: right now? Bob, how are you doing, Tony?

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Speaker 10: Getting ready to leave for Fort Worth, Texas to play

451
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Speaker 10: our last game of the year against.

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Speaker 5: How much does it mean to you to be in

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Speaker 5: a college campus that Andy Dalton dominated for so long,

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Speaker 5: much like he dominated the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't.

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Speaker 10: Know if by reason word dominate on us. Yeah, he

457
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Speaker 10: meets the Steelers a couple of times. What was either

458
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Speaker 10: redhead or the red rifle?

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Speaker 2: Don't act like you've for ye know the red rifle?

460
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Speaker 10: That was it? The red rifle? How soon we forget

461
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Speaker 10: nicknames of NFL quarterbacks, especially at the Bengal Poor.

462
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Speaker 2: Bob's getting ready to talk about elbow injuries and then

463
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Speaker 2: he gets the red rifle thrown at him to start

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Speaker 2: the segment. We're keeping you on your toes. Bob, Wake up,

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Speaker 2: you gotta be ready to go.

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Speaker 10: I'm awake, Tony.

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Speaker 2: All right, Bob, let's dive through this last year. Hunter Green,

468
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Speaker 2: over his last five or six starts, claims that he

469
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Speaker 2: had some discomfort in his elbow, some stiffness in the elbow.

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Speaker 2: And then the off season came and that discomfort went away.

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Speaker 2: I would think because he probably wasn't throwing as much,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not a doctor here, That's just

473
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Speaker 2: my assumption. And then about a week before spring training

474
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Speaker 2: amp back up this year, he started feeling the discomfort. Again,

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Speaker 2: let's start at that level alone. If this is something

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Speaker 2: that Hunter Green was dealing with over his last five

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Speaker 2: or six starts last year, is this something that you

478
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Speaker 2: would be you would take time with in the off season,

479
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Speaker 2: you would rest it, or would you think, okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: let's just get it looked at at the very minimum

481
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Speaker 2: to make sure there's not more damage there that can

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Speaker 2: linger into another year.

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Speaker 10: Well, again, i'm sure that you know, with you know

484
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Speaker 10: the red staff and the excellent the support they have

485
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Speaker 10: downe there, that they fully investigated where the potential pain

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Speaker 10: was coming from. And then once you get to the

487
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Speaker 10: off season, you're trying to figure out it is this

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Speaker 10: something that is a surgical correction or is this something

489
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Speaker 10: that we want to do conservative management? And in most

490
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Speaker 10: cases these guys get you know, two three opinions as

491
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Speaker 10: far as the best way to go. So I mean

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Speaker 10: and again like all pictures, and they have to have

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Speaker 10: some period of recovery at the end of the season

494
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Speaker 10: to where they do shut down and just take a

495
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Speaker 10: couple of weeks and let every kind of calm down.

496
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Speaker 10: But then you want to get into a rehab approach

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Speaker 10: specifically for pictures, which you know is different than obviously

498
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Speaker 10: other players on the field, but you really want to

499
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Speaker 10: look at, you know, getting them into a good strength program.

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Speaker 10: And this is you know, if you look at the

501
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Speaker 10: literature on Olner colateral ligament injuries in baseball overhead sports,

502
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Speaker 10: you're looking at like it's a very high rate, very

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Speaker 10: high rate. One in four high school pitchers are going

504
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Speaker 10: to have all their collateral issues. Ten percent of all

505
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Speaker 10: youth little league kids and some predict as high as

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Speaker 10: fifty percent of Little league kids who pitch overpitch get

507
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Speaker 10: paid just like the pros do so and they have

508
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Speaker 10: to have like the pros, they have to have an

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Speaker 10: off season. But no matter when you go into your

510
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Speaker 10: off season rest period, you have to get into a

511
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Speaker 10: good rehab program, and you have to get into a

512
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Speaker 10: good strength program because with you going into a rest

513
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Speaker 10: period and not over or not training those muscle systems

514
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Speaker 10: that require you to throw. Then you know you're not

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Speaker 10: going to be in good shape to come back and

516
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Speaker 10: start throwing if you're not reconditioned. So you want to

517
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Speaker 10: get reconditioned before you start throwing again. But again, until

518
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Speaker 10: you actually start doing the function that you know cause

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Speaker 10: the pain in the first place. So let's say somebody

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Speaker 10: doesn't throw the whole off season and all they do

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Speaker 10: is lift. Just then you know you're not going to

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Speaker 10: know if you're going to have pain again until you

523
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Speaker 10: actually do the function that resulted in the pain or

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Speaker 10: cause the pain. So the bottom line is, even when

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Speaker 10: you know, I've had a couple of major league pictures

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Speaker 10: in the last couple of years that I work with

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Speaker 10: in the off season, and yeah, we went into a

528
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Speaker 10: two to three week rest period, but then we have light,

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Speaker 10: long toss throwing, progressive throwing. You know, throw a day off,

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Speaker 10: a day light toss a day a little heavier toss

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Speaker 10: two days later. But all the while you're doing this,

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Speaker 10: you are lifting. You're working specifically for torquing your body

533
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Speaker 10: because throwing his torque and if you did not have

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Speaker 10: great dynamic support around the elbow from those intrinsic muscles

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Speaker 10: in the arm, the shoulder, back, you would tear your

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Speaker 10: on your collateral ligament. Every time you throw a ball,

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Speaker 10: you generate ten thousand Newton torque around a force around

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Speaker 10: that elbow. You would literally obliterate your on the collateral

539
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Speaker 10: every time you threw if you didn't have strong enough

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Speaker 10: muscle mature in the forearm and the shoulder, the back,

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Speaker 10: the hips, and so you know that's in each level, Tony,

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Speaker 10: and each level, like you see these little kids in

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Speaker 10: the Little League, their shoulder throwers, they don't have enough

544
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Speaker 10: strength in their hips, they don't have enough strength in

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Speaker 10: their back. So all of a sudden they develop shoulder

546
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Speaker 10: and elbow problems because they need to get stronger, and

547
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Speaker 10: in the off season that's the time to get stronger.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a quote from Hunter Green yesterday,

549
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Speaker 2: and again we don't know the ins and outs of this,

550
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Speaker 2: but his words were, he had to discomfort last year

551
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Speaker 2: they were in a playoff push, so he pushed through it.

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Speaker 2: After the season, he felt fine and he got an injection.

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Speaker 2: Now we don't know what that injection would be specifically

554
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Speaker 2: in the off season, but the extent of what he

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Speaker 2: did in the off season was get an injection, and

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Speaker 2: then he goes on to say a week before spring

557
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Speaker 2: training the discomfort came back. So whatever the consensus was

558
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Speaker 2: that they came to, an injection was on the list.

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Speaker 2: If the injection doesn't work, what's the next step then

560
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Speaker 2: for a player or a pitcher in the in Major

561
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Speaker 2: League Baseball, Well.

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Speaker 10: It depends on what you see on your objective testing

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Speaker 10: that your MRI or or your X rays, and what

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Speaker 10: you feel in your physical exam. So, but if they're

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Speaker 10: continuing to complain of pain and they can't function, and

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Speaker 10: you've gone through a six week conservative course of reham,

567
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Speaker 10: you know, some of these people save surgical intervention at

568
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Speaker 10: the elbow to either remove bones, furs to repair the

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Speaker 10: link in itself, to correct There's a muscle complex there

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Speaker 10: called the flexer pronator masks, and I've seen guys. I

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Speaker 10: had one guy I won't say where teams from, but

572
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Speaker 10: he had chronic overload to the flexer pernator mass. They

573
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Speaker 10: went in to bring into flexer pernator mass reattached it

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Speaker 10: and you know, we rested him for four weeks then

575
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Speaker 10: slowly brought him back. There's all kind of options in

576
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Speaker 10: that medio elbow that these guys run into. You know,

577
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Speaker 10: one of the common things are bone spurs. Yeah, and

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Speaker 10: so you have to if that's what they think is

579
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Speaker 10: the cause, regardless of the age. You know, one of

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Speaker 10: our athletes here at you see at the end of

581
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Speaker 10: the season had to have a scope to remove some

582
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Speaker 10: bone spurs and hopefully he'll be able to get back

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Speaker 10: to throwing without issues after that.

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Speaker 2: So that would be my follow up question because Hunter

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Speaker 2: goes on to say that as of now, there's no

586
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Speaker 2: UCL damage, but he did openly say that he knows

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Speaker 2: he has bone spurs in the elbow. So my question

588
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Speaker 2: would be, if he knows there are bone spurs, should

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Speaker 2: those already have been addressed or if they now choose

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Speaker 2: to go and address the bone spurs, how long are

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Speaker 2: you thinking before a guy can get back up to

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Speaker 2: pitching in Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's completely individually based. And so can you get

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Speaker 10: in there and remove those bone spurs? Yes? Can he

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Speaker 10: successfully or any athlete successfully come back and throw after

596
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Speaker 10: bone spur removal of the answers? Yes, But everybody's an

597
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Speaker 10: individual because you've got to consider, you know, their total body,

598
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Speaker 10: where they are strength wise and range emotion, wise. And

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Speaker 10: the other thing is if you look at a thrower.

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Speaker 10: This is a Japanese study about ten years ago, and

601
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Speaker 10: the reason that they have such interesting data is that

602
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Speaker 10: the problem becomes the rising incident of these honor collaterals.

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Speaker 10: Some of it is bony change and bone spur changes.

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Speaker 10: And they looked at little leaguers in Japan and by

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Speaker 10: the time they were fourteen, the kids that were pitching

606
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Speaker 10: because they have year around baseball. The worst thing ever

607
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Speaker 10: happened in America is indoor facilities and year around throwing

608
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Speaker 10: and year around baseball. The orthopedic surgeons love it because

609
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Speaker 10: it's creating so many patients in these little kids. You know,

610
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Speaker 10: this specialization by the time they're eight, nine, ten years

611
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Speaker 10: old is an absolute travesty. Let the kid play other

612
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Speaker 10: sports and see, you know, give their elbow arrest. Let

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Speaker 10: them go play freaking basketball or something. But the problem

614
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Speaker 10: became that sixty nine, sixty eight or sixty nine percent

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Speaker 10: of the kids by the time they were twelve showed

616
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Speaker 10: bony changes from the year around throwing. And so they're

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Speaker 10: no doubt when you get to the MLB level, you

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Speaker 10: know you are going to see bony changes. And the

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Speaker 10: question is how you address them. And one way you

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Speaker 10: can address them, I guess is through injection. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: Another way is through conservative management. I'm sure people are

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Speaker 10: trying PRPs. I'm sure people are trying all kinds of things,

623
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Speaker 10: but if it's not working, then at some point you

624
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Speaker 10: potentially have to go in there and clean them out

625
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Speaker 10: and then put them back on a progressive return to

626
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Speaker 10: play at pathway.

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Speaker 5: The other thing I was wondering about this Bob is

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Speaker 5: Hunter Green did have Tommy John surgery in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 5: What's the shelf life of a surgery like that at

630
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Speaker 5: that level?

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Speaker 10: What was it two years ago at the Andrews Institute

632
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Speaker 10: Baseball meeting somewhere in the neighborhood of about seven years?

633
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Speaker 10: I think they reported seven or eight years. So, you know,

634
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Speaker 10: you start looking at the fact that if you have

635
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Speaker 10: the surgery, the surgery leads the star tissue you've got,

636
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Speaker 10: You're you're putting soft tissue anchors in there to keep

637
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Speaker 10: the ligament stable. Nowadays they do uh, you know, they

638
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Speaker 10: use another tissue and they're with it to admit it,

639
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 10: and uh it gets you back faster, but you're still

640
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 10: overloading and it's basically you know, the number one cause

641
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 10: it in all sports right now is the fact that

642
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 10: you're getting a lack of rest, constant loading. And you know,

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Speaker 10: these these younger kids especially, but again when you're I

644
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 10: don't know how old he is, but you know, when

645
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 10: you get into a certain age group, you know you're

646
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 10: you're throwing ability starts to deteriorate. People like Ryan or

647
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Speaker 10: Nolan Ryan, he's a freak. Okay, Bob Gibson, they're freaks.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 10: I was very, very fortunate back I can't remember what

650
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Speaker 10: year it was where I got to to conservably treat

651
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Speaker 10: a guy named Tom Seaver and you know, he's it

652
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 10: was incredible what his shoulder looked like at his age

653
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Speaker 10: by the time I got to treat him when he

654
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Speaker 10: was with the Reds. He came over when I was

655
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Speaker 10: with Since Day Sports Medicine and you know, get him

656
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 10: stretched out and strengthen some and what he could do

657
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 10: with his shoulder was humble it, which is why he

658
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 10: was still, you know, in his thirties throwing. So these

659
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 10: when when I see a little League kid and the

660
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 10: parents look at me and say, you know, I want

661
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Speaker 10: my kid to be the next Nolan Ryan or whoever

662
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 10: it's like, well, you know, hopefully you know he's got

663
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Speaker 10: something of his DNA and him because Dolan Ryan was

664
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Speaker 10: a friggin freak and and you know how many forty

665
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Speaker 10: two year olds can throw a ninety eight mile an

666
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Speaker 10: oar fastball. Yeah, they's an.

667
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Speaker 2: End of one that I know of. The last I

668
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Speaker 2: would ask him page, The last I would ask upon

669
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Speaker 2: this is is Hunter Green multiple times said as of

670
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: right now, the UCL is intact. As of right now,

671
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: the UCL's in good shape. Do you run the risk

672
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: even though the UCL is clean right now, if you

673
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: don't take care of this, of that becoming more of

674
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: an issue? Is that something where these things are connected.

675
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 10: Well, especially if you change your mechanics at all, especially

676
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 10: if you know, the worst nightmare for a picture is

677
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Speaker 10: I have pain or I am discomfort in one aspect

678
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Speaker 10: of my elbow. So I'm going to kind of change

679
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 10: a mechanic a little bit, and the next thing, you know,

680
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 10: you do put an extra overload either on the flexi

681
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 10: pronator mass or a little extra overload on the ulter

682
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 10: collateral ligament. And now it is starting to be a problem.

683
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 10: So you know, again the ligaments change over time. Okay,

684
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 10: it's there's a thing called Wolfe's law. A tissue underload,

685
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 10: any tissue vast or underload can change over time. Ligaments

686
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 10: can get thicker, ligaments can stretch bony tissue for example,

687
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 10: we ever see the picture that can't straighten them all

688
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 10: the way out? That has nothing to do with the ligaments.

689
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 10: And I remember you when you throw in football, you

690
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 10: know you had difficulty getting extension in your arm because

691
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 10: you develop little bony spurs that prevent you from getting

692
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 10: it all the way straight because you're isn't comfortable all

693
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 10: the way in extension whenever you're throwing. And that adaptation

694
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 10: occurs somewhere between sixteen seventeen, eighteen years of age. It

695
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 10: doesn't occur when you're twenty five or thirty. It's already there,

696
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 10: so you know. And again those are little bony changes

697
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 10: because of wolf what we call Wolf's law. And now

698
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 10: that puts extra strains somewhere else because you're you don't

699
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 10: have full range of motion. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, that is Bob Manjean sifting through the latest

701
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Speaker 2: with Hunter Green and the Cincinnati Reds. Bob, you're getting

702
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: ready to head to TCU. It's a testament to what

703
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: this team has done because they've played themselves into a conversation.

704
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Speaker 2: So best of luck on the road and go get

705
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Speaker 2: one more. Let's make this thing interesting next way. Thanks Bob,

706
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Speaker 2: and we're going to sure try Tony.

707
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Speaker 10: So you guys have a good weekend and try to

708
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Speaker 10: stay drive because it's you.

709
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Speaker 9: Know, all the roads are flying baby never.

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Speaker 10: It's the great slot of twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Never a never a doll moment. That is Bob Manjing

712
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Speaker 2: from the University of Cincinnati and Novacare. Bob, thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for your time. We'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 10: You're welcome.

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Speaker 9: Guys, have a good day from.

716
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Speaker 2: Traveling to the game, walking to your seats, and partaking

717
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Speaker 2: in postgame celebration. Your body can take a beating from

718
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Speaker 2: all the activity on game day. At Novacare Rehabilitation, they

719
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Speaker 2: understand how important it is for fans to be there

720
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Speaker 2: to root for their team. So the power of physical therapy.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to let eggs, pains, or injury keep

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Speaker 2: you from the game. Find a center near you today

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Speaker 2: at Novacare dot com. Our three rolls on next on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 11: Station WCKY Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio station Ginnering t Human ESPN

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Speaker 11: fifteen thirty I Radio.

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Speaker 2: This winter comfort starts with your windows and doors.

728
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Speaker 1: Now it's time for quick hits on Tony Tykes. Since

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Speaker 1: he three sixty.

730
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Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo mo is He's good year Mo

731
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Speaker 2: right now, Moe's getting ready to settle in Austin. I

732
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Speaker 2: would imagine first pitch at three o'clock.

733
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Speaker 5: Hands, I was gonna say he had already today.

734
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only drinking hand, but a preview of you know,

735
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Speaker 2: the the NLDS. Sure between the Dodgers and the Reds.

736
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Speaker 2: So Moe's out and Chad Breundle's in. And after talking

737
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Speaker 2: to Kegan Nickoson, I can confirm it seems like Chad

738
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Speaker 2: has calmed down. You're you're less fired up? When was

739
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: I fired? He just said you were fired up. On

740
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Speaker 2: Tuesday night against BYU.

741
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Speaker 3: Oh, I was.

742
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: Tony Padilla had an awful game. He did an awful game.

743
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: I've never seen a game at the under sixteen timeout

744
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: with nine total fouls called.

745
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 12: Yeah, he had a I mean there were six calls

746
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 12: just blatantly. Three of them got over turned. And it

747
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 12: wasn't just Cincinnati right on both sides. On both sides,

748
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 12: he was just terrible.

749
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Speaker 2: Were you yelling at the officials?

750
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Speaker 5: Chit that was ai As, But just to confirm you,

751
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: at no point during the game yelled at any officials

752
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: from where you sit. That's correct, Okay, I just wanted

753
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Speaker 5: to be sure I did.

754
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Speaker 12: At one point where the day day Thomas block shot

755
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Speaker 12: where he came from behind, Yeah, cleanly blocked the shot.

756
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Speaker 12: I excused myself from the media section and I took

757
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Speaker 12: a walk in the concourse.

758
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Speaker 2: That was like right after he got called with a

759
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: foul on de bon Staff. Yeah, for just standing his ground. Yeah, yeah,

760
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Speaker 2: I just took it. I took a walk. I didn't

761
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Speaker 2: yell at anybody. I just think he's terrible. Yeah.

762
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Speaker 12: I also heard there was a five minute apology before

763
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Speaker 12: the game. He was so bad in the previous BYU

764
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Speaker 12: game that he had done that he went to Kevin

765
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Speaker 12: Young and apologized for five minutes for how bad he

766
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Speaker 12: was the last time he called me.

767
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Speaker 2: Why he helped because Kevin Kevin Young wasn't happy during

768
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Speaker 2: the game either.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 12: He was terrible both ways. The guy's awful. I don't understand.

771
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Speaker 12: Did you see Doug Sermons my other guy that I

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Speaker 12: Doug Sermons, Kip Kissinger Tony Padilla are on Mount Rushmore,

773
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Speaker 12: those three.

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Speaker 2: Kip Kissinger is on the Mount Freshmore. Of names, that's

775
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Speaker 2: an awesome name.

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Speaker 12: Did you see you didn't see Sermons kick out Bill self? Yes,

777
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Speaker 12: he came running from out of nowhere. Wasn't involved in

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Speaker 12: the conversation.

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Speaker 2: That's his moment though.

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Speaker 12: Two seconds he not only gave him one tee, but

781
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Speaker 12: he gave him an automatic two teas, threw him out

782
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Speaker 12: and then we had one of the best moments in

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Speaker 12: college sports this season. As Bill self was walking off

784
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Speaker 12: the Arizona State House. Crew hit the smoke the fog

785
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Speaker 12: machine as Bill self was walking off the course.

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Speaker 2: I hate beneficials. There may and it's not like it's

787
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Speaker 2: it was like you said, it was bad both. It's

788
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Speaker 2: not like, hey, I'm a Cincinnati Hall like not being

789
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Speaker 2: a home be good at your jobs.

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Speaker 10: Both.

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Speaker 2: He has worked.

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Speaker 12: Tony Padilla has worked one hundred college basketball games at

793
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Speaker 12: roughly three thousand dollars a game. He's made three hundred

794
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Speaker 12: thousand dollars to do that since November.

795
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Speaker 2: And he stinks to do that. That should be called out.

796
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Speaker 2: Do coaches get paid a lot of money? Do we

797
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Speaker 2: call them out when they stink?

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Speaker 12: They do players now, and players make money. We called

799
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Speaker 12: them out, Tony Padilla is fair game.

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Speaker 2: I've always been one that that officials should have to

801
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Speaker 2: sit at a podium after a game immediately and answer

802
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Speaker 2: the questions like coaches and players. Yeah, that to me

803
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Speaker 2: would be explain the foul on Sincere Harris when he

804
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Speaker 2: knocked the ball away from aj Debanza. Yeah, hustled, dove

805
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Speaker 2: on the floor while Debanza stood there and watched, and

806
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Speaker 2: it's a foul on, Sincere Harris, Thank you, thank you.

807
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Speaker 2: How what else you got coming up on the show today?

808
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Speaker 2: Now that I got your I got the blood flowing?

809
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: What else you got coming up? We're gonna talk some

810
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: bear cats.

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Speaker 12: So Bubble Bubble, they're they're at They're at forty four

812
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Speaker 12: percent odds to make the NCAA Tournament. If they win Saturday,

813
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 12: watch party, Holy Grail Saturday two o'clock. By the way, Yeah,

814
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Speaker 12: if they win, that jumps to seventy percent.

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Speaker 2: I saw right now DraftKings plus one thirty five to

816
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Speaker 2: make the NCAA Tournament.

817
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Speaker 12: That was what was it a month ago? Plus twenty thousand.

818
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Speaker 12: It was a lot.

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Speaker 2: Even as close as to last week, I think it

820
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Speaker 2: was still like plus four fifty yeah, plus one thirty

821
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Speaker 2: five right now, it's incredible what they've done.

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Speaker 12: And not just they're outside of Utah, which was just

823
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Speaker 12: as big, because that was a game they have lost

824
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Speaker 12: five years, for five years. Yep, down five with ninety

825
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Speaker 12: seconds left, that's a wrap run nine oh run, win

826
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Speaker 12: the game. They're beating the pants off everybody else.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

828
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Speaker 2: And big opportunity Saturday or not. If you don't capitalize Saturday.

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Speaker 12: For sure, I mean then you'd have to win the

830
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Speaker 12: Big or make the Big twelve tournament finals or do

831
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Speaker 12: something crazy.

832
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Speaker 2: But man, the conversation at four fifteen on Saturday if

833
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: they win, yeah, gets very interesting around this team, It

834
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: gets very interesting.

835
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Speaker 12: So we'll talk some of that. I'll I see you

836
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 12: had Travis on early deals all day.

837
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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 12: I was driving. I was hoping I could make it

839
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Speaker 12: here to say hi, try a massive one tomorrow night.

840
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 12: Massive tomorrow night for them. That atmosphere should be bonkers.

841
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 12: I hope they do it. I really do. I hope

842
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 12: they they get it and and look thirty one and

843
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 12: oh unbelievable, and for them, for their sake, if they

844
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Speaker 12: don't win the MAC tournament and they're thirty one, and oh,

845
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Speaker 12: I think you have to put them in.

846
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Speaker 2: If you don't win tomorrow night and they lose in

847
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: the MAC tournament, oh.

848
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Speaker 12: Then your then your resume really starts to get Then

849
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 12: you open a door scrutinized, and then you open a door.

850
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 12: And that's not great. But I do have they do

851
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 12: have a thing that bothers me a little bit. They

852
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 12: say they couldn't find a game. They couldn't they couldn't

853
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 12: find any games.

854
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: I saw this.

855
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Speaker 12: Every team in the MAC outside of Miami played at

856
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 12: least one Power five opponent. I wish Eastern Michigan had not.

857
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 12: That's fair, that's fair, But every team in the MAC

858
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 12: besides Miami, the problem with their resume is more that

859
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 12: they played three non Division one sure opponents. If they

860
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 12: put that on the sheet, we've only got twenty eight

861
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 12: games here. What what happened that I think is going

862
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 12: to be big for them? I think, and look, I

863
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 12: don't think there was anybody at Miami Tony because schools

864
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 12: like Miami schools in the MAC, they look they're one

865
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 12: bid leagues. They're not getting in that large. They look

866
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 12: at it and say, we have to be ready for March.

867
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Speaker 12: We have to be ready to win the conference tournament

868
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Speaker 12: if we're gonna make the NCAA. Travis Steel, nor the ad,

869
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 12: nor anyone at Miami sat down in the preseason and said,

870
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 12: we're gonna be thirty one, thirty and zero and our resume,

871
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 12: our metrics might matter. Yeah that that's not the mindset

872
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 12: that they work from, right, So you know, I hope,

873
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 12: I hope they get it done. Tomorrow night they're thirty

874
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Speaker 12: one and oh and then a lot of it the

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Speaker 12: talk goes, and then we get Miami, Cincinnati and Dayton. Okay,

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Speaker 12: I was hoping. What I was really hoping for was

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Speaker 12: U c l A, Cincinnati and Dayton. Yeah. Uh do

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Speaker 12: you ever win over Nebraska? You fans rather see U

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Speaker 12: c l A and Dayton or Miami and Dayton?

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Speaker 3: Miami?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, UCLA's pretty I mean, they've they've gotten some good wins.

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Speaker 2: Would they rather see Miami or in ku.

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Speaker 3: Uh n k U?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I do. Nor's flamed tough.

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Speaker 12: Okay, okay, but we're gonna talk some reds, okay, Hunter Green,

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Speaker 12: we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more next week. Can they survive this?

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Speaker 12: Like this is we're already at the first test because

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Speaker 12: guess what, they're out of money. Everybody wanted a Suarez,

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Speaker 12: Sure they went over budget, they got au hane O

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Speaker 12: swa as. Now you're down your number one. They can't

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Speaker 12: go out and find a replacement. They're not going to

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Speaker 12: be able to bring in uh frontline starting pitch point.

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Speaker 12: At this point, are you ready? Are Chase Burns and

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Speaker 12: Rhet Louder or Williamson or whatever? Are you able to

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Speaker 12: handle what's coming? We'll talk some Bengals, little free agency talk.

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Speaker 12: Dan Horde on the show. Let's go, Jeff ff Car

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Speaker 12: second day in a row. He's on.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 2: If they just played Cuba every day, they could survive

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Speaker 2: not having Hunter Greens. I think you might be able

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Speaker 2: to get off the head off Cuba. Thank you, Chad.

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Speaker 2: That is how we will end this show today. Chad

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Speaker 2: Breundle is up next. Uh, I'll take it. Have a

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Speaker 2: great rest of your Thursday. Enjoy The Mowegger Show with

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Speaker 2: Chad Brendle next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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