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Speaker 1: It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm gelliging Mazy Boston's

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to everyone. This is the second hour of

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Speaker 2: a two hour appearance by Brian Shortsleeve and Mike Kinneely.

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Speaker 2: If you've listened to the first hour, I think you've

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Speaker 2: heard pretty impressive presentation for both men as to why

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Speaker 2: they would like to be governor of Massachusetts. If you

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Speaker 2: missed the first hour, you can listen to it in

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Speaker 2: its entirety anytime, probably beginning three am tomorrow morning. Rob Brooks,

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Speaker 2: the producer of this program, will post that hour as

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Speaker 2: you posts all hours on Nightside on Demand dot com. Now,

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Speaker 2: before we get back to calls, I'm going to ask

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Speaker 2: these two stalwart Republicans to say something nice about a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to say something nice about Diana Desauglio.

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 3: I went she is fearless. She's advocating on an issue

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Speaker 3: that is an incredibly important around the accountability of state government,

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Speaker 3: or a question on the ballot last time around. By

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Speaker 3: the way, I donated ten thousand dollars to that ballot question.

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Speaker 3: I'm a top five donor to that question. Seventy two

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Speaker 3: percent of the people of Massachusetts said the auditor it

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Speaker 3: was tight. Yeah, nail biter Yees seventy eight said the

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Speaker 3: orders should audit the state legislature. And what's happening now,

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Speaker 3: I think he used the word shame It's shameful. The

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Speaker 3: state legislature leadership is saying it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The governor has been silent on this, and leaders should

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Speaker 3: never be silent on the attorney general.

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Speaker 2: Get the general's taking a courageous position.

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Speaker 3: The Attorney General should be suing the legislature on behalf

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Speaker 3: of the auditor and the people. And she is in court.

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Speaker 3: She's in court defending the legislature. So yes, I've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of respect for what the otner is trying

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Speaker 3: to do. I've supported her.

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Speaker 2: The Attorney General's office, well.

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Speaker 3: That'd be the legislature. They just want to make a

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Speaker 3: good laborgation. And I'll close by saying I also gave

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Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars to her ballot question this time around,

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Speaker 3: which is to open the legislature and the Governor's office

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Speaker 3: to the public records laws. And I always say, as

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Speaker 3: a cabinet secretary, I was subject to audits in public records.

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Speaker 3: I live with that. That's the way government should work. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it was never an impediment to getting the people's business done.

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Speaker 3: There's no excuse.

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Speaker 2: Very quickly, Brian Schutzlee, would you like to say auditors democrat.

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Speaker 4: She's doing great job as a Democrat. Yeah, she's a Democrat.

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Speaker 4: She is a fighter, she's a disruptor, she's a breath

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Speaker 4: of fresh air. But here's the deal, Dan, we not

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Speaker 4: only have to audit the legislature, We've got to audit

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Speaker 4: every single executive agency more.

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Speaker 2: Heally could do that.

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Speaker 4: I did it when I ran the tee. I audited

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Speaker 4: every department, every line item, every cost. We found millions

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Speaker 4: and millions of dollars in savings. And when I'm governor

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Speaker 4: ed excuse me, h Dan, We'll audit the SNAP program,

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Speaker 4: will audit mass Health. There's a sixty four billion dollar

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Speaker 4: executive branch spend right now that we should be auditing

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Speaker 4: every line of it. So start with the legislature. But

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Speaker 4: that's only the beginning. The truth is we've got to

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Speaker 4: audit every single part of this. Just this week we

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Speaker 4: learned about a four hundred million dollar overpayment in SNAP

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Speaker 4: from twenty twenty four. Heally was busted by a Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden audit, and what that showed was basically the way

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Speaker 4: state government's running under Heally, they pay first and then

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Speaker 4: they ask questions later, or maybe they never ask questions.

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Speaker 4: That's basic things. And Governor Heally could do it tomorrow

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Speaker 4: if she wanted to audit state government executive brands, but

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Speaker 4: she won't do it.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to get an audit done of that six

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Speaker 2: million dollar no bid cab contract on Cape Cod.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the Mercedes cab.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the Mercedes cab contract.

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Speaker 3: We know, we know by that because of the auditor.

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Speaker 3: Her report on this last spring was scathing. She audited

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Speaker 3: every single line item of that. And that's that's why

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Speaker 3: we need audits. It's a critically important function to stay

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: She found, you know what she found. She found three

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars of late and cancelation fees that the

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Speaker 4: state had paid. And she read the contract like a

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Speaker 4: good auditor.

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Speaker 3: I guess what.

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Speaker 4: There was no stipulation in the contract for paying cancelation fees.

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Speaker 4: So she asked the state procurement folks that were managing

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Speaker 4: the contract why they paid three hundred thousand dollars in

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Speaker 4: cancellation fees if the contract didn't allow that, and they said,

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Speaker 4: no one in state government had ever reviewed a single invoice.

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Speaker 4: They're just paying the bills. And that's how you get

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Speaker 4: a state budget that grows by fifty percent five.

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Speaker 3: Zero over six years.

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Speaker 4: There's enormous, enormous wasting government, Dan, And we've got to

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Speaker 4: roll back the income tax and we've got to go

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Speaker 4: after that waste and working families in the state will

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Speaker 4: be better for it.

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Speaker 2: All right, then we got to go to Kenny and Templeton.

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Speaker 2: Kenny and Templeton, Massachusetts. I know what Templeton is at Massachusetts. Ken,

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Speaker 2: you were on night side with Brian short Sleeve and

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Speaker 2: Mike Kannely.

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Speaker 5: Go out ahead, Ken, Hey, Dan, thanks for this. This

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Speaker 5: is great, thanks to the candidates as well. I wish

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Speaker 5: Minogue was here to answer this question, but I'm not

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Speaker 5: the only one.

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Speaker 2: I think you go ahead.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the lines are open, Mike Minogue, you

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Speaker 4: can call in, well, you can join a We're available.

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Speaker 3: Come on in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, votes are or not bought for sure. But anyways, So,

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Speaker 5: I have a friend of mine who was at a

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Speaker 5: caucus and he heard mcnogue say that he never settled

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Speaker 5: with the Trump administration for a kickback scheme that his

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Speaker 5: company was engaged in back in twenty and eighteen. I

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Speaker 5: think it was. And so my buddy comes in me.

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Speaker 5: He says, well, he denies it. But then I look

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Speaker 5: at there's a Department of Justice press release about it,

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Speaker 5: and I was wondering if either one of the candidates

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Speaker 5: here could talk about that and tell us what the

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Speaker 5: truth is.

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Speaker 2: What's the date on that Justice Department press release? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm very cautious as the host of this show of

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Speaker 2: talking about legal problems for anyone.

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Speaker 5: It's March eighth of twenty and eighteen.

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Speaker 6: Okay, if you do it, if you google in BioMed

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Speaker 6: abio med BioMed twenty eighteen, a Department of Justice settlement.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can All I can say is I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm going to ask either of these candidates

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Speaker 2: if they've heard of what you're speaking. Well, I've heard

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Speaker 2: of it, you have, Okay, here's Mike Kley.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very important for candidates and people in

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Speaker 3: public life to be honest. I think leading with integrity

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Speaker 3: is the most important thing we need in our leaders,

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Speaker 3: and that is a fact. There was that settlement. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't twenty eighteen with the Trump Justice Apartment. It was

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Speaker 3: a three million dollar settlement. There were allegations of kickbacks

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Speaker 3: to doctors to buy the abbu met product. Those are

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Speaker 3: just facts, and the facts are what they are. So

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Speaker 3: leaders should not shy away from the facts. They shouldn't

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Speaker 3: shy away from debates either. And you've got to be

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Speaker 3: honest with people.

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Speaker 4: And you don't have to ask us.

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Speaker 3: You don't take our work for him.

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Speaker 4: Ask Andrew Lelling, who is a hard hitting US attorney.

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Speaker 4: He was the US attorney for Trump. He's the guy

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Speaker 4: that busted Abuo med for three and a half million

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Speaker 4: dollars in kickbacks to doctors.

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Speaker 1: Ask him.

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Speaker 4: He works in town, he'll tell you. And he's the

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Speaker 4: guy that did Varsity Blues. Okay, So it's out there,

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Speaker 4: it's clear, And those are the sorts of things. I

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Speaker 4: think Mike Minogue should be here talking about we need

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Speaker 4: a candidate that cannot only win this primary, but win

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Speaker 4: the general. I'm sure more heally's got a few questions

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Speaker 4: on that topic that she'll be asking that.

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Speaker 5: I have a follow up on that right ahead, Brian, Brian,

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Speaker 5: why would you ever consider that guy to be part

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Speaker 5: of Department of Health or anything in your administration. When

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Speaker 5: he's paid the involved in a kickback scheme that they

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Speaker 5: paid a fine for, I wouldn't let that guy be

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Speaker 5: a done.

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Speaker 2: Please be careful with your language, Kenny, because again I'm

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Speaker 2: the host. You're getting too close to the edge. I'm

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Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable with the fact that both Brian and

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Speaker 2: Mike are aware of this. Said, you have to be

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Speaker 2: careful with your language as to someone being too close

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Speaker 2: to the edge. Go ahead, I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 4: Mike ran a large healthcare corporation, massive business, twenty billion

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Speaker 4: dollar company. He's got experience in that. God bless him.

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Speaker 4: I would hire him to do FDA approvals. I'd hire

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Speaker 4: him to do something in healthcare. But the reality is

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Speaker 4: he's got no experience working with young, entrepreneurial businesses that

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Speaker 4: are scaling and growing. He's never founded a business here,

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Speaker 4: He's never been on the ground. I am the only

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Speaker 4: candidate in this race who spent my life building small

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Speaker 4: companies in Massachusetts, and that's what we need in the

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Speaker 4: corner office. We need a governor who's a businessman, an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 4: who understands the challenges a small business and we need

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Speaker 4: someone who has proven their chops as a government reformer.

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Speaker 4: I'm a marine, I'm a fighter. When I was driving

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Speaker 4: reform at the MBTA, it was not easy. It's very

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Speaker 4: hard to get things done. We took out millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars of cost, We balanced the budget. That's the sort

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Speaker 4: of experience we need in this race. And there's no

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Speaker 4: one else on the stage who's done it.

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Speaker 2: Probably disagree with that going Mike Wow.

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Speaker 3: I certainly. I've done it for a dozen years now,

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Speaker 3: and I've got a Republican track record, a dozen years

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Speaker 3: full time in public service for the state, delivering for

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Speaker 3: the people on pro growth, economic policies, real lasting. I'm

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Speaker 3: a reform, real progress and education. But Dan, this is

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Speaker 3: another way to answer the college question. We have to

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Speaker 3: nominate someone who's been vetted and who's been tested. We

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Speaker 3: don't know Mike Minogue. Mike Minogue just showed up out

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Speaker 3: of nowhere and decides to run for governor. He was

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Speaker 3: not a Republican a year ago. Okay, so we don't

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Speaker 3: know his track record. He's not been vetted. Most of

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Speaker 3: what I've done the last dozen years has been a

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Speaker 3: matter of public record. Not so with Mike Minogue. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the things we're finding out, we're finding out right now.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Well, we'll thank Ken for his call, and we'll

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Speaker 7: go to a break, and we'll try to get to

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Speaker 7: some questions that don't involve Mike Minogue, because I want

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Speaker 7: my audience to learn about these two candidates, primarily tonight

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Speaker 7: back on Night's Side.

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Speaker 2: Right after this.

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Speaker 1: Night's Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: We are going right back to calls, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to go to Uh. Let me, I just want to

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Speaker 2: try to be as fear of everybody as possible. Let

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Speaker 2: me go to Peter in Braintree. Peter, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions in this area. You can direct your question

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Speaker 2: to either. I'll ask Mike Kneely to take it first.

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Speaker 2: If it's for both, go ahead, Peter.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Dan, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Brian, Hi, Mike.

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Speaker 9: Nice chat with you.

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Speaker 10: My question is real quick, just wondering why both of you.

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Speaker 11: Think no legislators have endorsed Mike Minogue.

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Speaker 2: There aren't that many Republican legislators in Massachusetts, by the way, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a good question. I think people in public

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Speaker 3: It's an important point. I mentioned all the work I

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Speaker 3: It's not right. Politics is a team sport. You got

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Speaker 4: Let me let me say one of the things then,

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Speaker 2: You know, he said to me.

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Speaker 4: He said, if Mike Minogue had three million dollars burning

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Speaker 4: But it starts with support and local candidates. It starts

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Speaker 2: All Right, Peter and Braintree, thank you for your question.

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Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Mike Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 10: In the four years of Governor Marray Heey, reductions in

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Speaker 2: Great question.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, the number one part of this budget that

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Speaker 4: Unrestricted local aid. That's the police department, that's the fire department.

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Speaker 2: Mike and Neely on Mike in North Readings, question of

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Speaker 2: Sixty two billions, just those who are keeping square at

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Speaker 3: So we got to keep We got to get the

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Speaker 2: From out of state ask me how bad is the

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Speaker 4: They then understand, well, get ready for the mileage tax.

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Speaker 2: Mike talked about that.

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Speaker 4: Moke talked about the Municipal Empowerment Act, which by the way,

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Speaker 4: Is that one will triple your triple your auto excise tax.

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Speaker 4: But the Freedom to Move Act, by the way, another

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Speaker 2: You should be freedom not to move as much.

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Speaker 4: It's right out of like nineteen eighty four. You know,

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Speaker 2: Good night. We have the news coming up. It is

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Speaker 2: So let's take the news back with more questions for

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. Day and studio are Mike Kanneely and Brian

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: We have about twenty five more minutes left and I'm

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Speaker 2: If you are not able to get through, we will

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Speaker 2: be talking after the ten o'clock news about how these

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Speaker 2: two candidates did tonight. Mike Kanneely Brian shortsleeved two Republicans

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Speaker 2: go to Chris in Lincoln, Massachusetts. Chris, you are next

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: Question for both candidates, do you support appealing the MBTA

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Speaker 2: Correct? I missed the last half of your second question, Chris.

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Speaker 8: Sure, So for those towns who have looked at Mike

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Speaker 3: The guidelines were designed for towns to say thanks, but

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Speaker 3: adopt this and not ever actually produce any more housing.

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Speaker 3: And we said, that's right, because local control really matters

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Speaker 3: around here. It's been state low since nineteen twenty that

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Speaker 3: all three to fifty one cities and towns get to

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Speaker 3: make their own decisions on the stuff. That was my

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Speaker 3: philosoph i it's the secretary, it's my philosophy when I'm governor.

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Speaker 3: And so the issue is not with the guidelines. The

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Speaker 3: issue is with the enforcement. And it's a governor in

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Speaker 3: an attorney general that has weaponized us against our cities

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Speaker 3: in towns. So when I'm governor, will stop enforcing it.

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Speaker 3: We'll make sure cities and towns can do whatever they

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Speaker 3: want with it. That's what we intended to do.

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Speaker 2: All right. Let me get a quick comment from Brian.

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Speaker 4: The NBTA Communities Act, it's a bad law. It's administrative overreach.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are communities out there that do not

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Speaker 4: have the infrastructure to support it, and you look at

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Speaker 4: state government withholding critical grants funding in places like a

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Speaker 4: Marshfield for dredging. It never should have become law. It's

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Speaker 4: a classic example of big government overreach telling small towns

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Speaker 4: what to do. Local zoning has always been a core

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Speaker 4: part of this state. And when I'm governor, will file

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Speaker 4: for a full repeal of the MBTA Communities Act. We

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Speaker 4: will stop enforcing it, and we will certainly exempt any

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Speaker 4: communities from it who are incurring real cost because it's

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Speaker 4: unfunded mandate.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not indulge in the false promise of appeal.

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Speaker 3: For a lot of the past one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: three to four, every attempt to amend to repeal has failed,

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Speaker 3: and the ballot question fail. Okay, we need a governor

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Speaker 3: to come in here that knows the law and work

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Speaker 3: productively with cities in town It's.

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Speaker 2: Fairly close vote in the ballot question though right.

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Speaker 3: It didn't go to the ballot, didn't get the signatures.

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Speaker 3: But like the point is, okay, we have to work

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Speaker 3: with our cities in towns. I've talked to one of

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Speaker 3: the towns, Middleborough, that was in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: toughest fight about this, and they said, we have no

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Speaker 3: problem with the guidelines. We got a lot of problem

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Speaker 3: with the way that the state has worked with us.

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Speaker 3: That'll change when I'm governor.

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Speaker 4: O would you join me, Mike in calling for a

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Speaker 4: full repeal, I mean, tonight, will you call for a

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Speaker 4: full repeal of the call.

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Speaker 3: From media to become governor Brian? It's a false promise.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to indulgent false promises and dishonesty. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it passed one hundred and eighty four. When I'm governor,

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Speaker 3: the way we work with cities and towns will dramatically change.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We're gonna keep rolling. Head Chris, thank you, thank

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Speaker 2: you for the question, good question, appreciate it. Gonna go

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Speaker 2: to Judy in Hull, Massachusetts, out in the Atlantic Ocean. Judy,

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Speaker 2: you're next to night Side.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Go right ahead.

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Speaker 12: So I find that the Democrats that are currently so

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Speaker 12: angry with all Republicans, they hate anything that a Republican

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Speaker 12: puts out there. How do you plan to combat this

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Speaker 12: anger and convince the opposition that you are believable, trustworthy,

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Speaker 12: and actually likable.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think both of them did. As the host

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Speaker 2: of this show. I think both of them have acquitted

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Speaker 2: themselves very well tonight, Judy, but I'll get a quick

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Speaker 2: comment from each of them.

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Speaker 4: Maara Heally is going to run against Donald Trump because

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Speaker 4: Mora Heey's record in the state is a record of failure.

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Speaker 4: But I got some bad news for the governor. Trump's

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Speaker 4: not on the ballot. Heally's on the ballot. We don't

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Speaker 4: have the highest electricity costs in the country because of

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Speaker 4: federal policy in Washington, d C. That's bad public policy.

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Speaker 4: Here in Massachusetts, we didn't have thirty five thousand people

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Speaker 4: leave Massachusetts last year because of federal policy in DC.

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Speaker 4: It's because taxes are too high and utility bills are

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Speaker 4: too high. By the way, Cape Cod Potato Chips left,

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Speaker 4: Cape Cod closed up, they moved to Wisconsin, where Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump is also the president.

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Speaker 2: So when you look at.

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Speaker 4: The challenges in this state today, they are self inflicted.

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Speaker 4: Mor Heally went to her state of the state. I

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Speaker 4: was there and she said, this state's doing great, and

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Speaker 4: when it comes to economic competitiveness, those are factors beyond

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Speaker 4: our control. There's nothing we can do. I completely disagree,

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Speaker 4: and we need to we need to remind independent voters

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Speaker 4: that Massachusetts should be number one again, number one in

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Speaker 4: job growth, number one in entrepreneurship. We know how to

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Speaker 4: do it, but at every step of the way, Healey's

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Speaker 4: policies are driving people and businesses out.

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Speaker 3: Has got nothing to do with DC Like Judy. It's

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Speaker 3: an important question.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 3: Part of it certainly is tone and coming across as relatable, okay,

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Speaker 3: But a big part of this is track record, a

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Speaker 3: proven record in public service. And I've said before I

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Speaker 3: expect to be the nominee. If I'm not, I'll support

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Speaker 3: whoever is. But I firmly believe, honestly, I'm the only

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Speaker 3: Republican in this race that can defeat and incombent democratic

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Speaker 3: governor based on twelve years full time in public service

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Speaker 3: in the state, when you leave a successful business career

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Speaker 3: at age forty five to go turn around the worst

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Speaker 3: performing school district, when you serve as the economic Development secretary,

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Speaker 3: deliver two hundred thirty thousand private sector jobs, when you

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Speaker 3: spend two years working in the neighborhoods of Boston to

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Speaker 3: help the kids there. That's a record that independent voters

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Speaker 3: can look at and say, look, that person can do

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Speaker 3: the job. Day one and they've got a true commitment

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Speaker 3: of public service. That's how I think you breakthrough in

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Speaker 3: this by being relatable, but by also demonstrating a real

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Speaker 3: commitment over a very long period of time to real impact,

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Speaker 3: real public service in Massachusetts. I'm the only person in

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Speaker 3: the race that can say that.

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Speaker 2: Judy, thank you for your question and thank you for

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Speaker 2: calling Nightside. I do appreciate your time. Thank you tonight.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: Let's go next to Lauren in Boston. Who has I

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Speaker 2: think a tough question for maybe both of you. Lauren

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Speaker 2: and Boston. You're next on Nightside with Mike Kneely and

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Speaker 2: Brian short Sleeve.

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Speaker 11: Yes, thank you for taking my call. Two questions for you, Mike,

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Speaker 11: I want to understand why you didn't vote for Trump

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Speaker 11: on three occasions.

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Speaker 3: Question for me, Yes, I've been open and HONESO about that.

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Speaker 3: I blank my three cycles in a row. Okay, but

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Speaker 3: I'll answer it this way. Okay. When I'm the nominee,

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Speaker 3: will be choice between a Republican nominee that will work

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Speaker 3: with the president and help move our state forward, work

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Speaker 3: with anybody, and a Democratic governor that built a reputation

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Speaker 3: suing Donald Trump. Okay, and I respect what the President's

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Speaker 3: done in terms of making our border more secure, cutting taxes,

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Speaker 3: cutting spending, foreign policy, energy policy. The question in front

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Speaker 3: of voters now is who can win in November and

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Speaker 3: who will have a productive relationship with Washington. And I

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Speaker 3: think Governor Heally has put us at risk by antagonizing

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Speaker 3: the president and not having a productive relationship with Washington.

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Speaker 3: We depend on the federal government for a lot of things,

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Speaker 3: and just like she does not have a good relationship

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Speaker 3: with local officials, she lacks a good relationship with Washington.

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Speaker 3: So I've been honest about my vote, but I equally

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Speaker 3: honest and direct about the fact that I'll work with

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Speaker 3: the President to move our state forward. That's what a

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Speaker 3: governor has to do.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lauren, and I think you have said but I

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Speaker 2: just I.

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Speaker 11: Just don't understand why why did you not vote for

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Speaker 11: a president?

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Speaker 2: I think I think, Lauren, I think he explained it.

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Speaker 2: But with all due respect, I've got a lot of calls.

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Speaker 2: I think you have a second question, Brian.

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Speaker 11: Brian, Brian, thank you for your service. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 11: Two things that I want to ask you, so I

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Speaker 11: understand that you are with MBTA Right now, MBTA is

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Speaker 11: twenty five billion in needed in repairs and upgrades. What

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Speaker 11: happened while you were there? Why is that the current state?

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Speaker 11: And the second question is I understand that you've changed

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Speaker 11: your party affiliation a couple of times. You're a Republican,

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Speaker 11: then you're independent, and now you're a Republican again. Help

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Speaker 11: me understand what's behind that.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks for the question. Let me tell you how

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Speaker 4: bad the MBTA was. In twenty fifteen. When I arrived,

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Speaker 4: Governor Baker gave me a mission. He asked me to

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Speaker 4: take a couple years away from the private sector. I

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Speaker 4: loved building businesses of the private sector.

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Speaker 2: I agreed to.

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Speaker 4: Give him two years. That was an organization where the

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Speaker 4: board had quit, the CEO had been fired. We had

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Speaker 4: a three hundred million dollar operating deficits.

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Speaker 5: Were not running.

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Speaker 2: That's because they allowed the show to build up.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of problems.

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Speaker 4: We had a Fiscal Management Control Board and the f

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Speaker 4: and FMCB was the financial side of it. That was

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Speaker 4: my mission was to balance that budget. Tell you what

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Speaker 4: we did. We stripped out waste and abuse. We put

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Speaker 4: people in jail if they broke the law. We fired

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Speaker 4: him if they violated a tendance policies. We saved millions

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Speaker 4: and millions of dollars for the taxpayers, and we balanced

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Speaker 4: that budget at the tee. It hasn't been done since.

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Speaker 4: When I was done with that assignment, the Boston Herald

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Speaker 4: said we had turned a bloated, underperforming agency into one

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Speaker 4: focused on taxpayers, riders and results. We got to do

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Speaker 4: that across all estate government. I know how to do it.

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Speaker 4: Look on your second question when it comes to part affiliation.

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Speaker 4: Mike Minogue has given thousands and thousands of dollars to Democrats.

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Speaker 4: He donated ninety five hundred dollars to the state Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: He's given thousands of dollars to Ed Markey. This is

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Speaker 4: a guy that has not voted in four of the

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Speaker 4: last five Republicans statewide primaries here. I haven't missed a

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Speaker 4: Republican primary in thirty years. I've been working hard all

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Speaker 4: my life to help Republicans at the local level, and

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Speaker 4: no one has done more than I have in this

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Speaker 4: date to help Republicans win races.

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Speaker 3: For Brian, you've also donated thousands of dollars to Democrats

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Speaker 3: over the years. Well, who you know?

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Speaker 4: Who else? Donated to a lot of Democrats before he

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Speaker 4: was in public life, Donald Trump, he gave millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars to Democrats. And what he said is, when you're

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Speaker 4: a businessman in a blue state, it's the cost of

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Speaker 4: doing business.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how two Maxio donations to Andrea Campbell

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Speaker 3: helped your private equity business. But to be fair, you

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Speaker 3: guys have both donated to the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: All right, Lauren, thank you for your questions. They would

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Speaker 2: challenge you on. Thank you very much, appreciate your call.

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Speaker 2: We get back after the break. We have a caller

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Speaker 2: who wants to defend Mike Minogue, which is fine.

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Speaker 4: And the lines are open for Mike Minogue himself if

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Speaker 4: he wants to call in. We've got fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: Come on in.

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Speaker 2: We do have fifteen more minutes. And again, those of

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Speaker 2: you who do not get here when the candidates are here,

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Speaker 2: please say the line. Love to know what you thought

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Speaker 2: of tonight's program. We still have fifteen minutes left. My

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Speaker 2: name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside on WBZ, Boston's news radio,

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Speaker 2: and I think we're making some news tonight. Coming back

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Speaker 2: on Nightside right after the quick break.

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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: We're going back to the phone call, so we're going

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Speaker 2: to go to Beth in Hamilton, Massachusetts. Beth, welcome to

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Speaker 2: Night Side.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 11: I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 13: I really appreciate the opportunity to share. But I just

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Speaker 13: want to say, can we really be real here. This

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Speaker 13: isn't really a debate tonight.

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Speaker 9: You're caring down another canidate.

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Speaker 2: Best, Beth, you know what we do best, Bet we

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Speaker 2: do we do a conversation. And I want to correct you.

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Speaker 2: This was not ever intended to be a debate. It

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Speaker 2: is a conversation. It is an opportunity for these two

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Speaker 2: candidates to introduce themselves to my audience and to voters

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, especially Republicans and independents who will be voting

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Speaker 2: in the primary. Okay, and there's one candidate, Just so

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not a debate. It's not a debate.

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Speaker 2: And if you've listened to the hour, you know it

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Speaker 2: has been billed as a conversation. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: the candidate who has been criticized tonight was invited to

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Speaker 2: join this conversation. I had a lovely conversation with him.

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, and I extended a personal

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Speaker 2: conversation to Mike Minogue to join us tonight. It was

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Speaker 2: his decision, or his campaign or his advisor's decision not

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Speaker 2: to join the conversation. And as all of us learned,

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Speaker 2: even as teenagers, when you did can go to the party,

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Speaker 2: sometimes people were saying critical things about you because you

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Speaker 2: weren't at the party. Go ahead, if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: make a comment.

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Speaker 13: Okay, so I find a lot Pardon me.

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Speaker 2: I said, please don't criticize this program or the way

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Speaker 2: that I've run it. It's been build as a conversation.

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Speaker 2: It is a conversation.

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Speaker 13: Well that's not how the that's not how the other

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Speaker 13: candidates are running it. So let me just move on.

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Speaker 2: What the candidates are you talking about, Beth, Who are

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Speaker 2: you talking about?

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Speaker 13: What I've seen is short Sleeve has said that he

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Speaker 13: won't debate, and I've seen this stated as a debate.

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Speaker 2: It's not how many times, Beth do I have to

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Speaker 2: tell you it's not a debate.

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Speaker 4: That's let me say this. You have a lot more

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Speaker 4: courage than your candidate. So hats off to you. You're

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Speaker 4: calling in, You're getting in the current let me first

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Speaker 4: and foremost. Leadership is about showing up. So it's great

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Speaker 4: you're here, and I wish you're I wish your candidate

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Speaker 4: because questions on.

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Speaker 2: To ask him, wow, go ahead best.

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Speaker 13: So I think I would also like to say that

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Speaker 13: you have we need discerning voters. Because it was said

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Speaker 13: that he won't debate before the primary, and as far

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Speaker 13: as I know.

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Speaker 2: That well, I said that it's not crap because he

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Speaker 2: said to me that he did not want to debate before.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say primary, he said he did not want

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Speaker 2: a debate before the convention, and in my conversation with

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Speaker 2: mister Minogue, I explained to him, it's not a debate,

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Speaker 2: it's a conversation, is what we're doing tonight.

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Speaker 12: No, I know I.

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Speaker 9: Anyone, and I wasn't saying you said that Mike.

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Speaker 13: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: I did say it, and I've heard from me. I've

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Speaker 3: heard from multiple people that he.

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Speaker 9: I don't believe that you have any credible source, and

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Speaker 9: that's part of the problem. There was a lot of

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Speaker 9: misleading statement. I'm just going to tell you what I

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Speaker 9: like about Mike. What I like about.

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Speaker 13: Mike is he found and paid for legal representation because

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Speaker 13: he's willing to help get the audit done. He's not

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Speaker 13: looking to wait for solutions, He's looking to put solutions

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Speaker 13: in now. I'm glad that he's a leader who's chosen

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Speaker 13: his path and he's not being bullied into debating because

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Speaker 13: it is Beth.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Beth. I think Beth is going to

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Speaker 2: go for a swim pretty soon if you continue to

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Speaker 2: use the word debate. I've explained to you, Beth, I'm

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Speaker 2: not that an that.

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Speaker 13: The candidates keep saying. I'm not saying this is a

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Speaker 13: debate now, because that's clear to me. I'm saying they

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Speaker 13: keep saying he won't debate, and I'm saying, I'm happy

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Speaker 13: to have a leader who has a fixed goal.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I think right now, and his goal is to debate.

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Speaker 2: After that, You've got more time than any other caller.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for defending your candidate. I think he made

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Speaker 2: a mistake in not being here tonight, but you know

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Speaker 2: time will tell you. Thanks Beth, appreciate your call. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here because I'd like to end on

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Speaker 2: a more positive note. This is a question from Bailey

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Speaker 2: in the back bay. Bailey, you're asking, let's go to

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Speaker 2: Bailey Bailey, you're asking about what's your question about three

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Speaker 2: A policies for each of the candidates, Brian, George Sleeve

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Speaker 2: and Mike Kenneely.

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Speaker 9: Go right ahead, Bye, It was about three but somebody

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Speaker 9: before me actually asked the question and it was answered.

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Speaker 9: So I have a follow up question in regards to

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Speaker 9: I want to bring this in the cableway. So I

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Speaker 9: heard both unique public comments in regards to Essentially, basically,

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Speaker 9: I'm just curious of why you guys think Mike Montague

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Speaker 9: didn't comment Memore Hailey Hyde Epstein. As an advisor at

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Speaker 9: a KIP, you both have probably spoken about this and

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Speaker 9: said it was wrong, And I'm just wondering why you

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Speaker 9: all think Mike Montague has it because very hot topic.

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Speaker 2: Who is Mike Monnihue. That's a new name. I haven't

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Speaker 2: heard Migue.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm mis pronounced it. I'm very nervous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you question by Bailey, Your question about Mike Minogue

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Speaker 2: is what.

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Speaker 9: In regards to why he hasn't spoken out publicly against

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Speaker 9: more Healey?

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Speaker 12: Uh hiring.

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Speaker 2: Brian.

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Speaker 4: If I'll tell you what, we are not going to

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Speaker 4: win this race with happy talk and platitudes. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: win this race with a candidate who can take the

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Speaker 4: fight to more Healey, and I take the fight to

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Speaker 4: more Healey every single day. We do it on TV,

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Speaker 4: we do it on radio, we do it using cutting

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Speaker 4: edge AI parodies. That's what we've got to do. And

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Speaker 4: we need a candidate that can stand up and prosecute

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Speaker 4: the case against Morheley. I know I can do it.

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Speaker 4: I can't answer your question as to why Mike Minogue

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Speaker 4: is skipping debates, refusing to engage in forums and has

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Speaker 4: not competent. I don't know what I can tell you

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Speaker 4: those I'm a marine and leadership is first and foremost

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Speaker 4: about showing up. You got to show up, You got

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Speaker 4: to make the case, and our primary voters should be

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Speaker 4: focused on which of us can most effectively make that

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Speaker 4: case against Mara Heally. I do it every day. I

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Speaker 4: don't hear it from Mike Minogue.

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Speaker 3: Was your question generally on skipping debates or not making

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Speaker 3: the case or what.

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Speaker 6: Was it both?

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Speaker 9: Because again it's the general Resident of the Commonwealth. We'd

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Speaker 9: absolutely love to get the stance again, it's the natural

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Speaker 9: story or all rubbed up in it, and we want

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Speaker 9: to know where accountability.

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Speaker 5: Is helped by the way.

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Speaker 9: It hasn't seem to hold the kind of.

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Speaker 4: This is not a debate as dance set. But there

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Speaker 4: was a debate in New Bedford that was scheduled on

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Speaker 4: March fourth and was canceled because Mike Minogue didn't want

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Speaker 4: to show up. So I think there's plenty of evidence

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Speaker 4: of resistance to there's.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of evidence that he has not debated. There are

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Speaker 3: This is a really important point, folks. Okay, people, I

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Speaker 3: travel the state all the time. I've done all one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty events so far the Republican groups. I

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Speaker 3: get asked all the time, when are the debates, And

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Speaker 3: just so folks know, there are no debates scheduled in

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Speaker 3: the Republican primary for governor zero. And that's because of

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Speaker 3: Mike Minogue. So I can't I can't speculate on why.

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Speaker 2: Well, we did have a good conversation, a great conversation

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Speaker 2: here today. This is great, Bailey, we're running.

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Speaker 9: You are holding a phenomenal conversation, and it's very unfortunate.

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Speaker 9: As an American I need to be is one of

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Speaker 9: the ways that we constituous can decipher who our candidate

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Speaker 9: is that you're in the hot sea here and for

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Speaker 9: the questions one on one, so I really appreciate you

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Speaker 9: all having this conversation and being on so and again

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Speaker 9: we'll give me.

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Speaker 5: For at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Night's side and calling any time. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: We've come to the end of the line and I

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Speaker 2: only have less than a minute left, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give you each twenty seconds literally to tell people

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Speaker 2: where they can get in contact with you if they

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Speaker 2: want to support your campaign. We'll see you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Dan, this has been a great conversation. I'm so

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Speaker 3: happy to be here today. Always a great chance to

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Speaker 3: engage with the voters here it's on people's minds. You

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Speaker 3: run a great conversation here to go to Mike Kinnealy

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Speaker 3: dot com. That's our website. It's got a lot of

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Speaker 3: information about me, our sense of the issues, our policy

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Speaker 3: platform which has now been informed, as I mentioned, by

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty conversations around the state. So go

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Speaker 3: there you can. You can donate, volunteer and get involved

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Speaker 3: with our campaign. We've got to win a November.

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Speaker 2: Mike Kennealy, thanks for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 4: Brian shru Well, Dan, first of all, thank you for

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Speaker 4: hosting this forum. It was a great conversation and I

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Speaker 4: loved every minute of it. The questions were great. You

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Speaker 4: can join us on Facebook at Brian Shortsleave for Massachusetts

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Speaker 4: or online at Brianshortslive dot com. We put all of

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Speaker 4: our events up there. I've done sixty events so far

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Speaker 4: in the first seventy days of this year. I got

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Speaker 4: a full schedule coming up. So if you'd like to

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Speaker 4: come meet me somewhere soon, check our website. Join the movement.

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Speaker 4: We're going to win this thing, and I would love

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Speaker 4: your vote at the convention. If you're a delegate, I

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Speaker 4: would love your vote in the primary.

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Speaker 2: If you're a primary voter. Gentlemen, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I hope I really enjoyed this program. Meet tonight and me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do it again anytimes. Has a lot of

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Speaker 2: time between September. Thanks Dan, Thanks both forks all right.

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Speaker 2: To the callers in the line, please stay there. You'll

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Speaker 2: be able to express whatever your opinion is. If you're happy,

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Speaker 2: if you're not happy. I'd love to know what your

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Speaker 2: thought of the performance and the conversation with both of

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Speaker 2: the candidates tonight, Mike Kneely and Brian shortsleeved my name's

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Speaker 2: Dan Ray. We'll be back right after the ten o'clock

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Speaker 2: news