1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Black Friday is Football Friday at Buffalo wad Wings Mall 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: of America, PA, Nordo, alec Lewis are live for the 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Friday Football Feast starting at nine am with doors at 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: eight am. Great food, cold drinks and prizes all morning long. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: KFA dot com Keywork Calendar for all the details KFA 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: n dot com Keywork Calendar. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Hi here he is one of our very favorites, the 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: scribe courtesy of Standard Heating and Air Standard Heating dot 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: Com via x via Twitter. His name is at ben 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: Gesling and you can follow him if you're so inclined 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: as nine to Noon does, and as we introduced you 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: as you were negotiating the hallways of Twin Cities Orthopedic 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Performance Center, I think for the first time in the 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: history of nine to Noon and our friendship, I referenced 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: you as Benny G. Bettyg's coming up around the corner. A. 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: When's the last time somebody called you Benny G? And 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: b Does anybody call Ben Gesline either Benny or Benjamin? 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: My grandparents used to call me Benjamin. I actually went 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: by Benjamin as a as a little kid, more so 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: than I. 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 4: I can't remember what age I switched to. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: Ben but Benny G has not been when I've gotten 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: a ton I've heard it a few times in my life, 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: especially in the nineties during the height of the Kenny 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: G dynasty. Shall we say I got Benji some as 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: a kid Benji though, yeah, like, oh, it's. 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 5: Like the dog. So yes, this is uh. 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: We get to go down the run of things that 29 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: people said to me in fourth grade to make fun 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: of me. 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 5: Whatever, you know. 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: For those of you who are making fun of me 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: in fourth grade, I appreciate you listening now because I 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: know some of you are. 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: I had nerd Quist a lot yes stuff and you know. 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, see, we have names like he could be ben Benji, 37 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Benny or Benjamin, and his name is Benjamin. Benjamin is 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: of the regal vers variety. Benjamin is a regal name. 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: Son of my right hand. Is the really the Old 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: Testament translation of the He's Eric, So he's he's Eric, 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: or he's em Paul. I guess I could be Paulie. 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: Paul Alien was what I was teased high school for 43 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: having one eyebrow. Then I made the mistake mistake of 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: shaving the middle of it and. 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 4: Messed it up. 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: So thus, uh, I need to have it waxed every 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: so often. 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: That's a really interesting. 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: Story, you you this morning. At one time, Nordo, by 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: a caller John for Minneapolis, was referred to as Eric 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: nord Quick. Nord Quick, you're just calling him nord quick, 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: but to Paul. 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 6: More like a speech impediment than an actual nickname. But 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 6: some you know, whether it's Benjamin's, you encounter Michael's, you 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 6: encounter Richard's, and it's actually like a serious thing, and 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 6: you know, whatever, it's your name, you just call you 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 6: what you want to be called, certainly, but it's like, no, 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 6: I'm not rich No, I'm not Mike, I'm Michael, right rich. 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: Ben Gasoline is a scribe covering a football team. Benjamin 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Gasoline writes novels. Yeah, resides in Maine on the same 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: property as Stephen King. 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: May maybe at some point in my life we'll put 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: the layers back on the end if I decide to 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: get more serious with my writing career. 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: Up there in Nordo's favorite town, Banger as in Banger 66 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: Main McCarthy concussion, McCarthy concussion. Rosmer gets a first team 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: reps unless JJ is cleared. Playing off the press conference 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: yesterday where Benjamin Gasline was peppering the head coach with questions, 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: So Frozemer plays Sunday, doesn't he? 70 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: I think? 71 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 7: So? 72 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: Right? 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: What leads you to that conclusion? You're the scribe, I'm 74 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: just the three chin to announcer. 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 76 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: I think the fact that McCarthy's still in the concussion protocol. 77 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 5: We don't know how quickly he'll come out of that. 78 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: It will take at least a couple of days, meaning 79 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: tomorrow is the key to it in a lot of ways. 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: I think because if you're taking first team reps on Wednesday, 81 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: which is the big day of the week, especially Thursdays 82 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: on a little bit of a truncated schedule because of Thanksgiving. 83 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: I think if Brozmur is taking first team reps tomorrow, 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 3: which I have every indication to believe he will be, Yeah, 85 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: then you're getting the prep work, You're getting the game 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: plan built with you in mind. I think Brosmur is, 87 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: you know, barring some type of a quick return for 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: Jad McCarthy and and the concussion particle, I don't think 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: it would allow for him to come back that fast. 90 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: I think it's bros Mur that will get the reps, 91 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: which means it's it's going to be Brosmo that starts. 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 6: Have you done any hardcore All twenty two film watching 93 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 6: to determine exactly where the potential concussion symptoms originated. 94 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: I've just been going with. 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 6: I assume that when he scrambled, did not slide, Yeah, 96 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 6: got smacked pretty good, sat there for about two real 97 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 6: time seconds with both of his hands, kind of just. 98 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 5: Up the fencing response as they call it. 99 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 6: And he required it appeared a little assistance, a little 100 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 6: help from a friend to get off the turf. That 101 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 6: that might be the patient zero moment for him. 102 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's it. There was one in the 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 5: third quarter. 104 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: I think that Michael Parsons sacked him and he was 105 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: down for a second where the official kind of stood 106 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: over him and kind of did the hey are you 107 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: good check in. He came back after that, obviously with 108 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: the scramble it was five minutes left in the fourth quarter. 109 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: Actually got face masked on that play. If you watch 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: it from the end zone copy his face mask got 111 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: twist around as he's scrambling out and then gets hit 112 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: by Isaam McDuffie. And then yes, when you talk about 113 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: his hands being in the air, that is the thing 114 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: that I wonder about because that is the common involuntary response. 115 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: People call it a fencing responsor of facing pose. He 116 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: had a little bit of that, And I'm not a doctor, 117 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: I'm not a neurologist, so I can't say that for sure, 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: but from what I've learned from covering this and just 119 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 3: being a coach, that you go through concussion training protocol 120 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: with the state High school league every year too, so 121 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: you see some of these things. That's I think he 122 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: threw his second pick on the very next Yeah, yeah, 123 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: that would be the one that I figured Hockkinson helped 124 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: him up pretty quickly too, so that would be my guess. 125 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, there were a couple of times where he 126 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: got hit in the second half. Obviously got sacked five times, 127 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: so there were a couple of moments that may have 128 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: played into it. But the scramble in the fourth quarter 129 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: would be the one where my mind. 130 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: Goes from lastly here, then we'll pause and we'll go 131 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: marathon with Ben Gesling from the start rebume after a 132 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: short pause from four and seven. From four and seven, 133 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: that's the record. How do you think they handle the 134 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: final six? It is knowing what they have for twenty 135 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: twenty six becoming an a topic. 136 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is. I mean, especially at the 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: quarterback position. I think that becomes the a topic because 138 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: you have to figure out where you're going to be at. 139 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: With JJ McCarthy, We'll see how long he takes to 140 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: come back from this concussion. You'll probably get a week 141 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: of Max Brosmer and then I would assume it goes 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: back to McCarthy, but they'll at least get a look 143 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: at Max Brosmer if in fact he's starting on Sunday. 144 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: You have to figure this out, though, I mean, you 145 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: have to have a decent sense of where can the 146 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: quarterback position go? How do you build around it? I 147 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: think it's that, and then there are a lot of 148 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: players on the defensive side of the ball that you're 149 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: gonna have to make this on a couple of those 150 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: defensive tackles, I think there's going to be a lot 151 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 3: of questions about the secondary trying to figure out what 152 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: that looks like in twenty twenty six. So it does 153 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: become about that, I think in a lot of ways, 154 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: because this is a team that's heading toward another very 155 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: pivotal offseason with a lot of draft picks and a 156 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: lot of salary cap decisions to make, so yes, I 157 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: do think that becomes a big part of what you 158 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: get out of these last six if the playoffs aren't going. 159 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 5: To be a piece of it. 160 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: You're listening to nine to Noon with Minnesota Vikings head 161 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: coach Kevin O'Connell joining about forty five minutes from now. 162 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: Coming up around the corner more with describe Ben Gesling 163 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: courtesy of nine to Noon and thanks to standard heating 164 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: and air back. 165 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 8: After this, COOREUS Home Services has your shot at four 166 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 8: tickets to see Green Bay take on the Purple in 167 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 8: early January, plus five hundred dollars in game day cash 168 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 8: resure for your chance to win today on the kfan 169 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 8: contest page and KFA dot com slash furnace cafe dot 170 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 8: com slash furnace. 171 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: All right, there are not only Kevin O'Connell with a 172 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: nine to noon forty five minutes from now, but press 173 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: conferences Coordinator Coordinator Press conferences each and every Tuesday, Brian Flores, 174 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: Wes Phillips with the Offense, Matt Daniels with the Special Teams. 175 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: They'll all be speaking today and the scribe will be 176 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: on the scene, so follow him at Ben Geslin via 177 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: x for anything interesting that percolates from US set confabs. 178 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: Now back to just to land the plane in the 179 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: quarterback situation here, if Brozmer plays in what ways do 180 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: you think it will look different? 181 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the thing we saw in the preseason 182 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: that he did really well was playing with some anticipation, 183 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: throwing to spots where he expected guys to be, throwing 184 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: guys open in a sense. And now I hedge on 185 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: that a little bit, because you're not seeing any game 186 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: plan for you in the preseason. It's very basic coverage 187 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: is it's backups that you're playing against. So extrapolating what 188 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: we see in the preseason and saying, oh, this is 189 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 3: exactly what he's going to do in the regular season, 190 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: I think can be a little bit of a jump sometimes. 191 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: So expecting that he's going to look exactly like he 192 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: did against the Titans in August is I probably a 193 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: little bit of a stretch. But if you get him 194 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: to transfer those things, that is helpful because we have 195 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: seen times where JJ McCarthy needs to play faster and 196 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: needs to play with a little more anticipation. I think 197 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: if Brozmer can play fast, if you can get rid 198 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: of the ball, if you can make decisions quickly, especially 199 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: against the team that's going to throw a lot of 200 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: different blitzes, a lot of different looks. With Mike McDonald, 201 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I think that would be certainly the most 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: helpful thing the Vikings could get out of him. We 203 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: saw enough of it in the preseason. If he can 204 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: do it in a more realistic setting, I think that 205 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: certainly could be helpful. 206 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 6: Now I've heard and i've heard him say this, I'm 207 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 6: just preparing every day like I'm. 208 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: Going to be the starter. 209 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's not necessarily entirely accurate, at least from 210 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 6: the standpoint like he's spending a lot of time, whether 211 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 6: it's scout work and doing some other things throughout the 212 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 6: week to help get the team ready. So really, at 213 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 6: least as far as maybe you know, how much different 214 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 6: will it be with him getting all the one reps 215 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 6: probably tomorrow and if the kid's not cleared from concussion protocol, 216 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 6: Really he's he's kind of thrust into that spot, and 217 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 6: it feels like a different week of prep for him. 218 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 5: One hundred percent. 219 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: It's a lot different because now all of the resources 220 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: are devoted to you, the game plan is built with 221 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: your input. Hey, what do you like? What are you 222 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: comfortable with here? How do you feel about this rock concept? 223 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: All of that. 224 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: You know, when Kevin O'Connell talks about the red pen meeting, 225 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: if we get to the end of the week and 226 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: as Max Brosmer, that's the guy. Max Brosmer is the 227 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: one that's helping Kevin O'Connell say, no, we're not putting 228 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: this in the game on the call sheet this week, 229 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: the red pen goes to this play. All of those 230 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: things are handled differently when you're this starter than when 231 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: you're where he's been. Where it's you might get a 232 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 3: rep here or there, but you're getting look team stuff. 233 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: You're staying after practice to work with Jordan Traylor and 234 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: just getting some work on your own. You have to 235 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: do a lot of self study. As the number two 236 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: or the number three. In the regular season, it works 237 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: differently than it does in training camp, where you're going 238 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: to get reps and you're going to get more coaching 239 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 3: devoted directly to you. In the season, it's about getting 240 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: the number one quarterback and the number one offense ready 241 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: to play on Sunday. And if Max Brosmer is that guy, 242 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: that's getting those reps, which I have, like I say, 243 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: every reason to think he will. Yeah, that is going 244 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: to look a lot different than what he's had this season. Now, 245 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: Oh go ahead, Well, I was just curious. We've heard 246 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: it throughout the year. The coach has been challenging JJ McCarthy. 247 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: We've heard throughout the year, you know, challenging him to 248 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: such a degree really that it's all on the plate. 249 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: So we're making checks, we're making adjustments at the line 250 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: pre snap into the act, you know, getting into the 251 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: right play. That does feel though in this instant like 252 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: that might be a little bit different, And I wonder 253 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: how the coach kind of handles, you know, I hate 254 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: to say handholding. 255 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: That sounds you know, pejorative. 256 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 6: Or negative, but I don't think so in this case, 257 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 6: just you know, trying to ease him into what is 258 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 6: a really massive spot with that defense and what lies 259 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 6: ahead with an eight and three Seahawks team. 260 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: And in a building that the Vikings, not last year, notwithstanding, 261 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: have not had a ton of success in over the years. 262 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: That is not an easy place to play out in Seattle. 263 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: So it's a team that's going to be fired up. 264 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: It's a team that is in the mix to go 265 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: to the playoffs. It's a team that's enjoying its new quarterbacks, 266 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: Sam Darnold. So there's going to be a lot going 267 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: into this one for Max Brozmer. Yeah, how much does 268 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: he simplify things? I think you'll probably see. I mean 269 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: we saw I think a little bit of this on Sunday, 270 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: even in Green Bay. There were a lot more design runs. 271 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: I think some of that was saying, let's make this 272 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: a little easier for JJ McCarthy, let's build the run 273 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: game as more of a compliment. And they were able 274 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: to do some of that early that. I do think 275 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: it simplified it. It made it more accessible for him. 276 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: I would I think I'd put it that way where 277 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: they were in better down and distant situations, he was 278 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: able to work off play action. I think they'll try 279 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: to do some of those same things for Max Brosmer 280 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: in terms of how much he's going in with canned 281 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: plays and you have package stuff that you can to 282 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: one thing if you don't like to look. I mean, 283 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: I would imagine they're still going to do a fair 284 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: amount of that stuff. They have not wanted to pull 285 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: back on it. It'll be interesting to hear what Wes 286 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: Phillips has to say about it today as well. But 287 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: I think the key to it is finding enough plays 288 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: where it's not on the quarterback's shoulders to say I've 289 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: got to read things back to my third or fourth 290 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: option and buy some time if the pass rush is 291 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: getting to me. I think the number of times you 292 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: can keep him from having to do that, it's helpful. 293 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: I think they were moving in that direction in Green Bay. 294 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: I would expect a little bit of that to continue 295 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: if in fact it's Max Brosmer on Sunday. 296 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: What triggered you or what intrigued you so to speak 297 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: with a Kurt Warner Yeah, podcast, I believe on ways 298 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: McCarthy can play faster. 299 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, So Kurt Warner does these. 300 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: I mean there's a number of quarterbacks that do them, 301 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: but when Kurt Warner does one on the Vikings, I 302 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: typically try to watch because it's obviously a guy that 303 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: is an NFL Hall of Famer has a pretty remarkable 304 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: path from going from you like QB four to the 305 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: guy that kind of turned the NFL on its head 306 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine with the Rams and then goes 307 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: to another Super Bowl with the Cardinals and came very 308 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: close to winning a Super Bowl with another team with 309 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: a second team in the NFC, if not for the 310 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: n Roethelisberger is Sanntonio Holmes catch in the back of 311 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: the end zone. I was gonna say Hein's word, but yes, 312 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: it was Santonio Holmes and the James Harrison before halftimes 313 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: Harrison before halftime. Yes, when Larry Fitzgerald split those safeties 314 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: and it looked like, oh, the Cardinals are gonna win 315 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: this game. But so Warner is unique in the sense 316 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: that he's been at that level, but he takes the 317 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: time to do pretty detailed analysis of things, and it's 318 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: in with him because he's very opposed to pure progression. 319 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: Reads and the fightings you use a fair amount of this, 320 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: and he gets into a lot of this in the videos. 321 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: So it was interesting to watch it from that perspective 322 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: in terms of why he thinks pure progression is a 323 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: tough way to play sometimes because it does, in his view, 324 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: slow things down. 325 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 5: So his input on that, I thought was fascinating. 326 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: And then he also got into a lot of the 327 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: detail about protection issues and just route running details that 328 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: could have helped JJ McCarthy out if people are taking 329 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: routes a little wider to gain leverage before breaking back in. 330 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: It's a lot of nuancee football stuff, but it's a 331 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: pretty good watch. 332 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 5: It's about forty eight minutes. 333 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: Can you please define pure progression? 334 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's basically, rather than trying to read coverages 335 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: from you know, pre snap, you're starting from one side 336 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: and saying, okay, this is one, and then I'm going 337 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: one to two to three, and the reads are you 338 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: start from one side of the field and then you're 339 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: kind of going through the list of what is there, 340 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: and the routes are constructed in such a way that 341 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: it should take you from you take your eyes from 342 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: one to two to three relatively easily. But I think 343 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: his point has been if you're trying to read all 344 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: the way across the field, it makes it harder to 345 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: play fast and get rid of the ball quickly. And 346 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: a lot of teams do this and you'll I think 347 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: you'll hear Kevin O'Connell talk about, you know, voids and vacancies, 348 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: and I think he in his mind it's an easier 349 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: way to play because you're not saying, okay, what is 350 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: this team in I'm not having to look at Okay, 351 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: the safeties are Cover two versus Cover three or Cover four, 352 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: you know, the especially cover two versus Cover four in 353 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: terms of what the depths of the safeties are on 354 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: the wits. 355 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not trying to do as much of that. 356 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: I'm I'm reading things out and saying where is their 357 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: space and I'm just throwing to that spot and O'Connell's 358 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: mind it should be a relatively easy way for quarterbacks 359 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: to play fast. But there's I think Warner has had 360 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: a little bit of a different viewpoint on this, and 361 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: and he wasn't raised in a pure progression world, so 362 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things where he looks 363 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: at it and says, this is not something that worked 364 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: for me necessarily. It's just it's a different you point 365 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: on the way this offense works that I thought was fascinating. 366 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: I'm glad I asked, well. 367 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 6: It is, but it is fascinating where and Pa and 368 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 6: I were joking about it a week or two ago. 369 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 6: It's like, I wonder, you know, I wish someone would 370 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 6: do like a D line all twenty two yeah, and 371 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 6: start a podcast channel. 372 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: Everyone everyone's got big opinions on. 373 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 6: The quarterbacks for the reason of course, but I've started 374 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 6: digging into some of these as well. I watched the 375 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 6: same video that you were talking about. I love Kurt's analysis. 376 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 6: I've watched J. T. O'Sullivan and the QB School, I 377 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 6: see Orlovsky on ESPN, and there's fifty other that we 378 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: could We could run down the list and name. What 379 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 6: makes it fascinating to me, though, is that I've seen 380 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 6: multiple very different opinions either on what is wrong with 381 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy, what's potentially right. Sean Salisbury joins Barrero yesterday 382 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 6: and he thinks that there's too much focus on the 383 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 6: mechanics and actually let the kid just sling it, yeah, 384 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 6: and let them loose and just kind of simplify some things. 385 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 6: It sounded like, Yeah, and then that can work on 386 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 6: the other side of it. If you let them loose 387 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 6: with the wide bass and the weird arm angle and 388 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 6: the shoulders, it's going to be nothing but a dumpster fire, 389 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 6: you know. And then in the end you just have 390 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 6: Ko and his pure progression system that some guys like 391 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 6: or don't like. It's just kind of fascinating now that 392 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 6: there is a massive spotlight. 393 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 394 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy and Kevin O'Connell inherently that there's still it's 395 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 6: fifty different voices, thirty different opinions, and in the end, 396 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 6: six games that. 397 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 4: Have not looked good. 398 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing we should add to this discussion 399 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 3: is that all of those voices, and I think a 400 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 3: lot of them, I mean, Warner says this a lot. J. T. 401 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: Sullivan will say this. You'll hear Peyton Manning say this. 402 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: They're not in the room. They're not privy to what 403 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is being coached to do or has to 404 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: do directly. So all of this stuff we have to 405 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 3: take with a grain of salt. Nobody that is putting 406 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: an opinion out online has the final say on this, 407 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: because none of us have all of the information we'd 408 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: need to make a definitive ruling on the this happened 409 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: and this should have happened instead. So all of this 410 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: we need to take it with a little bit of 411 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: a granted's all. I had somebody last night that responded 412 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: to me on Twitter. It's saying, hey, so what's the 413 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: summary of the day. I tweeted out a tease to 414 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: the video and said, somebody goes well, so that must 415 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: mean it's O'Connell's fault, like, No, I'm not going there 416 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: because I said we should watch the video. Yeah, because 417 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: there's a lot more nuance, there's a lot more context. 418 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: There's a lot of times where I think the answer 419 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: to these things is well, it depends depends on the 420 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: coverage you get, It depends on the leverage that a 421 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: receiver has. You have to figure out what the right 422 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 3: answer is in that particular situation on a down and distance, 423 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: what you need to do on a play. It's hard 424 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: to just paint with a broad brush and say, well, 425 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 3: this is the one problem or this is the one 426 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: thing he needs to do different Sometimes the solution is 427 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: different on different plays. And I think that's what makes 428 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: this job hard is you have to get to the 429 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: point where I've seen everything and I know how to 430 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: answer all of these different problems I'm going to face. 431 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: And when you're twenty two, it's hard to have all 432 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: of these answers right away. 433 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: Special Teams Coordinator Matt Daniels, as we mentioned earlier, speaks today, 434 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: what was your read on the punt return gaff down 435 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: by the five? Well, I mean we've seen that happen 436 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: before where a guy is trying to keep the gunner 437 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: from getting to the ball, and that was I think 438 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: what Miles Price was trying to do. Obviously, he gets 439 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: blocked into the ball and then it's a live ball 440 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: and they get it recovered. So again it's a judgment 441 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: call thing where you're trying to keep it from getting 442 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: pinned back on your one yard line, but then the 443 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: worst possible thing happens and you run. You end up 444 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: paying the price pardon the punt because of the turnovers. 445 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 2: So it's one of those where he probably should get 446 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: away from the ball and try to just say, hey, 447 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: don't get anywhere near it. 448 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 4: It's a live ball. You know. 449 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: People have different code words they use for that. They'll 450 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: yell them. He could have done that. I think he 451 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: was trying to make a play that helped them out, 452 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: But in the end, the cost of what he tried 453 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: to do out wait any benefit that there might have 454 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: been from it. 455 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: Ben Gasoline's Star Tribune, Star Tribune dot Com. All of 456 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: this is courtesy of standard heating and air. 457 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 6: So if Max Brosmer goes out and performs well, doesn't 458 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 6: that just make things kind of weirder? 459 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: Post Sunday Sunday afternoon. In terms of how you you 460 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 4: sum all this up? 461 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, special teams he was mentioned it 462 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 6: just you know, there are so many things that we 463 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 6: could probably dig into. 464 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: As part of a four win team. 465 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I but I just now for me, it's 466 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 6: it's it's always been about, for better or worse. If 467 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 6: the twenty two year old is healthy to play, Yeah, 468 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 6: he needs to get all these rests. I agree missed 469 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 6: too much time. A year ago, we got the ankle bit. 470 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 6: Now this concussion thing that sucks. I want to see 471 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 6: the kids so that the team can know. As you mentioned, 472 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 6: but now this undrafted cat rolls in. There's a little 473 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 6: local love because he was wearing maroon and. 474 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 5: Gold before purple and gold. 475 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 6: He just goes out there and goes toe to toe 476 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 6: with Sammy. 477 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 4: D out West on Sunday. 478 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 6: That's gonna make for very interesting talkers posts Thanksgiving. 479 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun if that happened, If he were 480 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: to go out and beat Sam Darnold, the discussion on 481 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 3: all of this is gonna get so tangled up that 482 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: it's just it's gonna be It's gonna be fun if it's. 483 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: If you know, because O'Connell yesterday talked about I'm gonna 484 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: bring it up with him when he when he joins 485 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: here within a half hour. 486 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna frame it up the right way. 487 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 7: Uh. 488 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: You mentioned getting getting to attack mode yesterday, and clearly 489 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: that's been a calling card of O'Connell since he arrived. 490 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: Yep, I'm asking him about some keys to returning to that. 491 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: So say, say Brosemer play Sunday and it's just a 492 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: tack mode out of the gate with Jefferson, and like, 493 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: here's Jefferson for twenty six. Here's Addison, you know, with 494 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: some middle zone attacking thing that he just loved that 495 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: he brought from from Los Angeles. And here's Addison for 496 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: twenty four and attack mode is just the date. 497 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 4: I mean, what's that gonna be? Like? 498 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I would think it would be very 499 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: interesting to see what they would do. I would assume I. 500 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: Attack mode you think means the downfield passage, Yes, yeah, 501 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: And they like to play that way. They like to 502 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: look for chunks. 503 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: That is different than some West Coast iterations of this 504 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: where they are thinking, let's chase the big play. I mean, 505 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: they want to push the ball downfield, which is not 506 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: always the way you see this offense run. So yeah, 507 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: if they get some of that, it would be I 508 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: think a shot in the arm. But yeah, then this 509 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: question of what do you do after that is going 510 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: to come up and we're all going to talk about it. 511 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 3: I still think the final rendering on JJ McCarthy has 512 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: to be the most important thing they think about. If 513 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: Max Brosmer goes and plays that, well, it becomes a 514 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 3: much more complicated discussion. And I'm sure the local angle 515 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: has obviously influenced a lot of the discussion on Max 516 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: Brosmer to this point, and it will continue to do 517 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: so if he goes out and does that. 518 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: I don't I've seen Max Brosmer behind the scenes, either 519 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: here or a team hotels on the road. We ride 520 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: the same bus to the stadium since a few rows 521 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: behind me, I can't remember. It's it's I've seen this 522 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: more times than I have not. Him walking around. He's 523 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: not going to play, yeah, but he might play. He's 524 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: the backup right, walking around with like a laptop or 525 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: some type of surface pro or whatever. They look at 526 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: and and he's like always has it with him and 527 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: always is looking at He's always looking at plays. And 528 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 2: I think he's the kind that can take on a 529 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: lot of that and not and I'm not saying remember 530 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: exactly everything, but not become overwhelmed with it. 531 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right. 532 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean we heard him say that in the preseason 533 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: and the conversations I've had with him, and he's very sharp, 534 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that in terms of the understanding 535 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: of football and just understanding of the situation and the 536 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: context of what he's in. I don't think he'll be 537 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: overwhelmed by the complexities of the game plan, so that 538 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 3: probably will influence how much they feel like they can 539 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 3: put on him. Yeah, but yeah, he is not, and 540 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: I think he's understood that when I come in as 541 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: an undrafted free agent, I come in as the developmental guy. 542 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: I have to do a lot of this pull myself 543 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 3: up by the boots drafts stuff because I'm not getting 544 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: the same investment that I would. 545 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 5: If I was the tenth overall pick in the draft, 546 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 5: and that's just what it is. 547 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: I think he understands that if you're going to survive 548 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: in the NFL in the way that he came into it, 549 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: because there are I mean everybody talks about Okay, it's 550 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: a meritocracy, Yes, but if you're a draft pick, you 551 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: get more resources and more benefit of the. 552 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 5: Doubt than you do where he came in. 553 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and guaranteed money plays a lot into this too, 554 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: So I think he's understood the context of it very 555 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: well and he's done everything he can. 556 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 5: To put himself in the best possible situation. 557 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 6: Kind Of a weird or dumb question, how much do 558 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 6: you think it means for the rest of the team 559 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 6: just to feel some semblance of success. I mean, you 560 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 6: think about, you know, fresh off of fourteen, changing expectations, 561 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 6: raising the kid. You know, maybe at this stage of 562 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 6: the year there's biting the tongues and people that are 563 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 6: just happy to get big paychecks and not you know, 564 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 6: putting anything on anybody at this stage. 565 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: But how important it would it be just. 566 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 6: To feel like, Okay, yeah, that slammed across the middle. 567 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: That does work. 568 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 6: The tunnel screen it works, you know, just have some 569 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 6: moments of success, whether it's a win or a loss 570 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 6: on Sunday at Seattle, just to kind of feel like, oh, yeah, 571 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 6: that's right, you know, we're still pretty damn good at. 572 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 4: This despite the negativity of the season. 573 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 5: I think it would help a lot. 574 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you're able to put drives 575 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: together and string plays together. We have not seen them 576 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 3: do a lot of that in the last three weeks, 577 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: and just that consistent level of success of hey it's 578 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: a first down here, oh we just got another one. Okay, 579 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: now it's second and three. Oh, now the first down, 580 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: and hey, we put a big play together, and we've 581 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: got a drive rolling, and now we're in the red zone, 582 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: and now we have a chance to finish this thing. 583 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: That can kind of revive a team. It's not going 584 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: to mean six game win streak that gets them into 585 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs necessarily, but I think just having that taste 586 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 3: of six that's that taste of something that's building momentum. 587 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 3: I mean, Kevin O'Connell talk momentum all the time. Momentum 588 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: matters in the terms of how fifty three guys think 589 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 3: about their prospects for a season and what they're going 590 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: to put into it and. 591 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 4: Maybe momentum into the next season. 592 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 5: And so I think that stuff is useful. 593 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 3: I mean, you know it the momentum from season to season, 594 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: you see different examples of this. Does it apply or not? 595 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 3: I mean I can remember the Lions, well yeah, sure, 596 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 3: but I let that win at Lambeau at the end exactly. 597 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: That's a great point, and you can see times where 598 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 3: if you get hot and people start to buy in 599 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: a little bit, it can make a difference. Now there's 600 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: going to be enough changes to this roster that the 601 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 3: continuity of one thing to the next is a little 602 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 3: harder to apply than our young Lions team what it 603 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: was full of draft picks. But I do think there's 604 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: value in trying to stir up some of those things 605 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: at this point, even if the playoffs are not going 606 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: to necessarily be where it goes. 607 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: Lastly from me, Seattle Seattle and the potential cat and 608 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: mouse game who knows more about whom and why Sam 609 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: with Flores defense or Flores with how Donald wants to play. 610 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 4: When you think of. 611 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: All that, well, I mean, I think there's going to 612 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: be quite a bit of that for both because they 613 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: saw each other a lot in training camp throughout the season. 614 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 5: Obviously they have. 615 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 3: You know, in the preseason in training camp especially, there's 616 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: a lot of this We're trying to go at each 617 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: other and you're also trying to get your offense installed 618 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: and get your defense installed. But there are moments of 619 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: genuine competitions, so they have seen enough of those things. 620 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: I think Flores is going to have a good handle 621 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: on what Donald doesn't like. Certainly O'Connell is going to 622 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: have a good handle on what Donald doesn't like because 623 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: he's coached him to try to beat it. So I 624 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: think all of that stuff plays into it. I it's 625 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: always this is always the question of who knows more 626 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: about whom. I think it's harder for one person to 627 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: have an entire summation of what a defense is going 628 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: to do then a group of coaches and a group 629 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: of people to have a summation of one person and 630 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: what he likes or what he doesn't like. So I 631 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: think it probably plays in the Vikings advantage a little more, 632 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: especially probably having studied that Lions game and that Rams 633 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: game a million times throughout the course of the offseason, 634 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: they probably know the blitzes that got them beat, and 635 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of those 636 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 3: same things coming at him on Sunday. So yeah, I 637 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: think it probably plays in the Vikings favor a little 638 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: bit more. But yeah, certainly, always a fascinating thing when 639 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: we come up to those moments we saw it with 640 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins last year too. And when you've practiced against 641 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: the team this much and this defense is as unique 642 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 3: is what the Vikings run, Darnald will have quite a 643 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: bit to go off of, and they'll have plenty to 644 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: go off of on him as well. 645 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: Now Donald has fourteen gibs all right, ten interceptions, He's 646 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: lost four fumbles. The Seattle Seahawks have given the ball 647 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: away twenty times, second most in the NFL behind the 648 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings. So with the uh with with Donald, I 649 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: like how you laid that out about you know, things 650 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: that they know have given problems, but see it it 651 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: can be even like like. 652 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: Well forget Donald for a second. 653 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Just in closing, would you say Seattle's offense with Jackson 654 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: Smith and jigba Aj Barner is getting better. Their lines 655 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: big and pretty good walker into charbonnay and so on. 656 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 4: Pretty good offense, right. 657 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: Well it what what plays into this is kind of 658 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: like with McCarthy and and Patients required young hasn't seen 659 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: it working. Everything we've all talked about a million times. 660 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: I think it proves with Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator 661 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: for the Seattle Seahawks. Patients also was required with that, 662 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: you know he now, like Grant Yudinsky, who was here, 663 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: he's the offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars and he 664 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: got that job at a very young age. He's super 665 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: well respected and his work with quarterbacks is well recognized. 666 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: Liam Cohen calls the plays. So that's cool for Yudinsky 667 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: and Jacksonville to. 668 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: Be raised that way. 669 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: With Clint Kubiak in his truncated offensive coordinator stint here yes, 670 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: I think he did it with the Saints yep. And 671 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: now you know the Seahawks offense with ample skill position 672 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: guys and stuff like that. Yeah, Kubiak's calling good games. Yeah, 673 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: because he's doing a really good job up there. But 674 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: I mean a lot listening right now. A half decade ago, 675 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that ever would have felt that would 676 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: be the case. But you have to be patient sometimes 677 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: in super hard jobs, whether you. 678 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: Want you or not. 679 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And I think the context probably matters. They're 680 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 3: a little bit too where. I think that last year 681 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: because he was the coordinator here in twenty one, which 682 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: was the last year of the old regime, and there 683 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: was a certain priority placed on one particular way of 684 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 3: going about things on offense. 685 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 5: Namely running the ball right. 686 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 3: And I do think, and having talked to play callers 687 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: about this over the years, I think when that was 688 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: the case and you knew that you needed to run 689 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 3: the ball regularly, it does change the way you call games. 690 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: So I think that probably played into a little bit 691 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 3: for him here. But yeah, he was young when he 692 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 3: got that job. People were very high on him. I 693 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: mean Kevin Stefanski used to talk about Clint Kubiak in 694 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 3: as high as terms as you could. I mean, this 695 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 3: is back to when Kubiak was applying for like his 696 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: first job in the NFL. Stefanski was going to Leslie 697 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: Fraser saying, we have to hire this guy. He's he's 698 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 3: that sharp. And this was for like a wow, I'm 699 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: like a quality control job or he's talking like twelve 700 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 3: thirteen years ago, I mean very low level, like entry 701 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: level NFL job. Stefanski said, this has to be the 702 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: guy for this spot, and they had developed a relationship. 703 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: But he was as high on Clint Kubiak as you 704 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: could be, to the point where he was going to 705 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: Fraser and saying, I want to put my neck on 706 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: the line for this guy and I want him here. 707 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: So he's had a lot of people that are fans 708 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 3: of the way he goes about it. Certainly he learned 709 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 3: from his dad, who's one of the best to ever 710 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: do it, and this offense that has kind of grown 711 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: around the NFL. His dad is one of the big 712 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: architects of why that's the way it is. The Kubiak 713 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: Shanahan type offense that you see everywhere. Gary Kubiak certainly 714 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: is a big part of the reason. It's a big 715 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 3: part of the reason it came here because Kevin Stefanski 716 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: wanted to bring all that stuff to Minnesota when he 717 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 3: became the coordinator. But yeah, so Clint Kubiak has had 718 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: a lot of people that are high on the way 719 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: he does it, high on the way he thinks about offense, 720 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 3: and I think that's continued to give him more chances. 721 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 3: But yes, it certainly has paid off for them. Andrew Genoko, 722 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: the former quarterbacks coach here, is out there doing the 723 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: same thing and they've had a lot of success early. 724 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 6: You know, they got Rick Dennison there too, the coordinator here. 725 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, he's the run game guy out in Seattle. 726 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Now. He's won multiple Super Bowls with the Denver Roncos. 727 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: YEP yeah, that he was one of those guys that 728 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: Gary Kubiak brought in here, and then, yeah, that makes 729 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: sense all of those connections. People kind of hire the 730 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 3: people that they've connected with and worked with in the past, 731 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: so that makes sense. 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And this is not a 753 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 4: good trend to see here. 754 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 6: Whether it was losing at the brink against Phoenix last week, 755 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 6: last Friday, and then yesterday, you know, staking it was 756 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 6: maybe a little more competitive than you would have liked 757 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 6: to see it, but still kind of the Wolves fending 758 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 6: them off and you get forty three or forty something 759 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 6: out of ant you dig that. But the Sacramento Kinks 760 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 6: forcing ot and finding their way into the winners circle 761 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 6: last night, this would be and you've chronicled it well, Pa, 762 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 6: just team winless against teams with winning records. Team is 763 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 6: dominating and undefeated against teams with losing records, while the five, 764 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 6: while the four and thirteen sacrament Kings are now five 765 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 6: and thirteen after winning last night, And it's it's just 766 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 6: a couple. 767 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: In a row now. 768 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 6: And you know I've mentioned it earlier. It's like you 769 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 6: got to just beat on the bad teams. Every win's 770 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 6: gonna matter in a weird West, and you'll find your 771 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 6: way through things against the OKCS. But now tomorrow night, 772 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 6: six thirty pm OKCE Minnesota Timberwolves need to need to 773 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 6: wipe this bad taste out of their mouths hopefully find 774 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 6: a way to beat the seventeen and one the thunder. 775 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: Fib top fairness and being tired act, I didn't see 776 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 2: last night's game. I was absolutely cooked at about nine 777 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 2: to fifteen, and that's when that's what I went to bed. 778 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: So I don't I'm not going to pretend I looked 779 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: at the box scorer, I read read a recapah, and 780 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: I know something. 781 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 4: You know, some things win to miss. 782 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: At the end, Malik Monk and DeMar Derozen had crackiced 783 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: to win the game. 784 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: They missed it. 785 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: Anthony had a crack to win the game, he missed it, 786 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: and then they lost in overtime. But I did watch 787 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 2: Friday and the loss of the Phoenix Sun. Yes, uh 788 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: that you know as early season losses go. That one 789 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 2: as a fan of the how that one frustrated me 790 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: greatly because the Timberwolves did what I've seen them do 791 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: a lot this year. They played in a way like 792 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 2: we know we're gonna beat you whenever we put the 793 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 2: pedal to the medal and we want to beat you, 794 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 2: and they did it, and they look like, hey boy, 795 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: you guys, time nothing up nicely. I think they were 796 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: up eight points with a minute one or like a 797 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: minute to go up eight, and then they start throwing 798 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 2: the ball. You know, if the games in Phoenix, one 799 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: pass went to Scottsdale, the other pass went to Masa. 800 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: Then we got passes going to Glendale and they got 801 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 2: so sloppy at the end of the game. It just 802 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: it just proves that if you let up an ech 803 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: in this thing, Devin, when you have a team like 804 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 2: that is Devin Booker, that you better be careful. Even 805 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: though he fouled out. But nevertheless, the Suns have a 806 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: winning record, So I don't really know what went into 807 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 2: last night. Sacramento is kind of ratty, but they're gonna 808 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna get better. They were without some bonus, I 809 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 2: know that, but they're getting better with Doug Christie as 810 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 2: the coach. But it's frustrating now. 811 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. Was it a look ahead to OKCE? 812 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: Was it in any way a look ahead to OKC 813 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: because that's the team that bounced us last year? 814 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 4: Did it? 815 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: Did it with a plumb? I mean they were absolutely 816 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: the right side in that series, and they got pushed 817 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: more by the Indiana Pacers in the NBA Finals than 818 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 2: the Wolves push him in the Western Conference Finals. So 819 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 2: that was frustrating. I'm excited for tomorrow's game just to 820 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: kind of see where things stand. No, I'm with you there. Oh, 821 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: by the way, Finchy starts tomorrow's show at nine o'clock. 822 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 2: Chris Finch, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Nine to noon 823 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: tomorrow at nine. 824 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 6: Catching holiday strays of thanks as we entered the Thanksgiving season. 825 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 4: Monday night football, Niners beat the Panthers. 826 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 6: Panthers just can't they can't get offense going on a 827 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 6: regular enough basis with the defense that provided turnovers last night. 828 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 4: Brock Purty three three picks but still found his way 829 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 4: into the end zone. Christian McCaffrey got a score. 830 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 6: Kittle's hot right now on Jennings gets punched in the 831 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 6: swimsuit area as we would call it. 832 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 4: Is that what he did? Yeah, he got the Merrig thing. 833 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, Merrig I think just absolutely straight up like kind 834 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 6: of look look like an again in the game uppercut, 835 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 6: Yeah wow, as a play was ending, and then that's 836 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 6: why he went after him after the game. 837 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dwan Jennings, from what I've heard from from people 838 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: who either have played with him or know him quite well, 839 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 2: one of the last guys in the NFL that you 840 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: want to mess with because he's bigger and stronger than 841 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 2: people think as a wide receiver and he just hey, 842 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 2: he has the anchor jing and he's just a tough, 843 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 2: tough guy. 844 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't. 845 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 6: Uh, well, frankly, just a general courtesy in the battle 846 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 6: or otherwise. 847 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 4: How but you just not jab people in the in 848 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 4: the sack. 849 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's probably just a right, a good 850 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 6: rule to live by in general, game or no game. 851 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 6: The Niners, though, are eight and four, and as they 852 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 6: they didn't look great, but they're finding their way to victory. 853 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 6: And that's kind of where I was going, I mean 854 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 6: down the stretch here. They're eight and four and in 855 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 6: the playoffs as of now, but they're at Cleveland. They 856 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 6: get a bye, then they get the Titans, Bears, and Seahawks. 857 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 6: The finale at home. They do go to Indy. That's 858 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 6: gonna be a tough one. That's prime time as well. 859 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 6: But this schedule is laying out for an injured Niners team. Yeah, 860 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 6: that is strapping mac Jones out there and now perty's 861 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 6: throwing three picks, but they're getting by the bad Panthers. 862 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 6: Like this is a team that with Shanahan and company 863 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 6: maybe by nature of the schedule, but also getting healthy 864 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 6: at the right time. Like there, once again, you cannot 865 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 6: talk about the NFC playoffs and Rams and Eagles without 866 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 6: talking about Shanahan's Niners, Right. 867 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: It just further person adviz why, like nine to Noon 868 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 2: started eight years ago, we call him next level Shanning. 869 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: He's just next level with a lot of different things. 870 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: With the way I mean, they don't you know, they 871 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 2: don't always get to where they thought they were going 872 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: to go injuries or not. But to not have Brandon Aiyuk, okay, 873 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 2: you can work around that. Then they lose George Kittle 874 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 2: for a large patch of games. Fred Warner is out 875 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 2: for the year. One of the best middle linebackers in 876 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 2: the NFL. Nick Bosa is out for the year, one 877 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 2: of the best pass rushers in the NFL. They let 878 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: Hufonga walk in the off season. He's helping some team 879 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: I can't remember which one might be Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos, 880 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 2: thank you. And he's really playing out of his mind 881 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 2: for that good Broncos defense. Whufonga though, But through it all, 882 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: they keep doing this and it personifies the age old cliche. 883 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 4: It doesn't. 884 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 2: It's either it doesn't matter how you get to the 885 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 2: winner circle. As long as you get there, we're all 886 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 2: getting our pictures taken. Or the mark of a good 887 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: team is one of the plays poorly and finds a 888 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: way to win. And it doesn't matter what the margin 889 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 2: of victory it is is it matters what goes in 890 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 2: the left column you start worrying about or thinking about 891 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 2: more style points or margin of victory or how you're 892 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 2: putting things together for the postseason after this upcoming Sunday. 893 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 2: That's why I said the best of the best ever 894 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 2: the best. They start taking off right now, either this 895 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 2: week or the next week after the Sunday games. 896 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,280 Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to watch. 897 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 6: And that's news Denord brought to you by the Casino 898 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 6: at Canterbury Parkcanterbury Park dot com for all the details. 899 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 4: We do have the head coach. 900 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 6: We're expecting Kevin O'Connell around the corner the live edition 901 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 6: each and every week here at TCO and we'll get 902 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 6: all his thoughts on the state of the team as 903 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 6: they head to Seattle. But additionally, each week we do 904 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 6: a talkback of the day that we play for the 905 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 6: coach and have received some, but I would I would 906 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 6: like to get some more. Might you say that I 907 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 6: can sift through and find one for Kevin O'Connell free 908 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 6: iHeartRadio app, hit that microphone button, give us up to 909 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 6: your best thirty seconds and we will play one for 910 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 6: the head coach as the final hour goes ahead. 911 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to nine to noon on a fan