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Speaker 2: In the year. Well, let's go back in time.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy seventy one Montreal Canadians.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I was there, played just six games

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about that at length. Connor Griffin sent

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Speaker 1: And now those same people who talked about all those bombs,

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Speaker 1: I just think could be their best bet at shortstop

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Speaker 1: A lot of talent involved there, And Jared Triolla sucks

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Speaker 2: I read somewhere one of the Bucco writers wrote that had.

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Speaker 1: Had he signed that, he would have made the team

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Speaker 1: If he's the most talented short stopping gives them the

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Speaker 1: And I am told that. Now. The Pirates are talking

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be stupid to take it. I think

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Speaker 1: It would be settling and giving away potential to make

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Speaker 1: this for sure, Paul Skeins has more confidence in his

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Speaker 2: That's what you do.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mark kind of goose with this generation.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to hurt his feelings. They think they

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Speaker 4: They don't want to hurt Color Griffith's feelings.

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Speaker 2: No idea how they're hurting his feelings. How are they

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Speaker 1: I can't believe Marcus Naslin's the best example I could

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Speaker 1: Somebody else come up with examples who went to the miners,

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Speaker 1: They've not won a playoff series since nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 2: They went out and spent a little more, but I

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Speaker 1: Kind of man bats o'hearne, Ozuna and Lyle Lyles more

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Speaker 1: There's overreaction in advance to how this team does this year,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's gonna do like you think.

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Speaker 1: I am still sticking with my prediction of seventy seven wins.

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Speaker 1: I saw one prediction that had them at I think

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Speaker 1: it was eighty four wins was that Fangrafts And one

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Speaker 1: and much of the Pirates have in any way separated

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mark and Kevin Stevens who gets set down after

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Speaker 1: He got traded to the Penguins for Anders Hockinson, the

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Speaker 2: He kind of grew into playing as big as he was.

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Speaker 1: You know, don no, No, Griffin, Griffin is a much

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Speaker 1: Nobody saw Kevin Stevens as a short thing. Now they

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Speaker 1: This team can't afford to start off slow. If they

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna start off five. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I would want you improved hitting. See you've bought into it,

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tony. Tony, you're on the air. Okay,

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Speaker 4: What what about Joey Batts?

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Speaker 2: What Jose Bautista.

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Speaker 1: Stru Yeah, he struggled because the Pirates didn't know how good.

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Speaker 2: He was, and then he left and he became great.

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Speaker 4: Don't you think that's probably true?

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Speaker 1: the trip. It's Kevin Gorman. Gorma the big news. It's

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Speaker 1: But would you have kept Griffin with the Pirates and

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean both both.

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Speaker 6: Given the question, I would have kept him, and I

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Speaker 6: You've got some serious speed on the basis that those

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Speaker 6: But when you see Connor Griffin, when he finally does

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Speaker 5: Get to see him playing in person.

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Speaker 6: Everybody will understand why this guy is being talked about

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with the way you look at it, Gorm.

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Speaker 1: I understand why they're doing this, but to me, it

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Speaker 1: I just would have given it a try. I will say,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad they decided to put Triolo. It's short and

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Speaker 2: For that matter, that's what Trollo really is.

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Speaker 1: But at least Triolo will hold down his part of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I had multiple talent evaluators tell me

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Speaker 6: I didn't think too many balls were going to be

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Speaker 6: But you know that that exposes, you know, a bit

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Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 6: You know, what the Pirates can't afford to do is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think that figures in how can you not be

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's also the prospect promotion incentive, which you know,

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Speaker 6: They all felt like he belonged. He wasn't out of place.

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Speaker 5: And that was that was Majestic.

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Speaker 6: matter of whether it's balanced out as you mentioned in

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Speaker 6: the bottom four. But the the thing that's key to

440
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Speaker 6: me is that you know, they're starting pitching looks like

441
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 6: it could be very good, and if they can put

442
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Speaker 6: more runs on board than they did last year, especially

443
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Speaker 6: for Paul Schemes and even to that extent, Mitch Keller Skiings,

444
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 6: I think the Pirates average one run fewer than the

445
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 6: league average when he was pitching and that's just not acceptable.

446
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can't a guy out there their record with

447
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Speaker 2: him pitching.

448
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know he only went ten and ten,

449
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: but their recording games he started with seventeen and fifteen.

450
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: That's utterly unacceptable that if that happens again this year,

451
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: they won't have a much better record than last year.

452
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Speaker 6: No, And I read a stat that if the Pirates

453
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Speaker 6: had scored at least league average and his starts in

454
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Speaker 6: his career fifty five starts, his record would be forty

455
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Speaker 6: one to three. That's that's how well he's pitching. He's

456
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Speaker 6: been absolutely dominant and they haven't backed him up. And

457
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 6: that's what they need to do. They need to have

458
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Speaker 6: the bats to come through, you know, whether they come

459
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Speaker 6: through every day or not, they need to come through.

460
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Speaker 6: And they've got him on the mound because this is

461
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Speaker 6: a guy who's giving you, you know, quality starts and

462
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 6: two thirds of the starts, and you're not, you know,

463
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Speaker 6: providing any run support for him whatsoever. And he's arguably

464
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Speaker 6: the best pitcher in baseball, you know, certainly has the

465
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Speaker 6: best era in baseball and is the graining National League

466
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Speaker 6: sy Young Award winner. So you know, the Pirates have

467
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Speaker 6: to do right by Paul Skeins when he's out there shoving.

468
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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned the password Garcia who got sent on

469
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Speaker 1: after hitting over four hundred with a couple of home

470
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Speaker 1: runs in spring training, I mean, why not him now?

471
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Speaker 1: I mean I can't believe with right handed power and

472
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Speaker 1: that predominantly left handed lineup that could be paralyzed by

473
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Speaker 1: left handed pitching, that he can't be of immediate value.

474
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Speaker 5: I'm sure he could be.

475
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Speaker 6: I think there's concerns when you have a guy that young.

476
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: He's twenty three uh and has very very limited major

477
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 6: league experience. I think it's five games about whether he

478
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 6: can perform at that level when he's not playing on

479
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 6: a regular basis. He's gonna be a pinch hitter off

480
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Speaker 6: the bench, and he's going to get be a guy

481
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Speaker 6: who starts maybe once uh possibly twice a week, and

482
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Speaker 6: that could be very disruptive to his rhythm, to his

483
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 6: you know, to his productivity. So I think that's that's

484
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 6: where the Pirates look at it, is that did Billy

485
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Speaker 6: Billy Cook outperformed Justinson Garcia? No, But I think there's

486
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Speaker 6: a there's a feeling that cook can play all three

487
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 6: outfield positions and that he can also play first base,

488
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Speaker 6: and that you know that this is a guy who

489
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Speaker 6: they can live with Billy Cook being their fifth outfielder.

490
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Speaker 6: If jo Justins and Garcia is your fifth outfielder and

491
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 6: not and not getting the playing time, that's disruptive to

492
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Speaker 6: his development. So I mean, I look at it like,

493
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 6: you know, the Hunter Bark was a little bit of surprise,

494
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Speaker 6: and not not that he didn't perform. He performed excellently,

495
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Speaker 6: but I thought in terms of development, the Pirates might

496
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 6: have kept him down because you know they're gonna have

497
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Speaker 6: Griffin and Garcia and in a couple other guys that

498
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 6: are you know, high end prospects that are going to

499
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 6: start the season in Triple A, and you know that

500
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 6: that bodes well for your your depth long term. But

501
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 6: in the short term, the bench isn't as impressive as

502
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Speaker 6: maybe we thought it would be at the start of

503
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Speaker 6: the season and started the spring.

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Speaker 2: There's no way they should have kept Cutch over like

505
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Speaker 2: say Cook, should they?

506
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think Cutch was productive. I just thought

507
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Speaker 6: he was miscast. I didn't think he should have been

508
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 6: in everyday DH anymore. I thought he should have been

509
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: a guy who dated a couple times a week, maybe

510
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 6: played right field once every week or so, and was

511
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 6: your top right handed bat off the bench. I think

512
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Speaker 6: that the problem was Cutch, and we discussed as part

513
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Speaker 6: of it was that they want this to be Paul

514
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Speaker 6: Skeen's team, and Paul Skenes wants.

515
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Speaker 5: This to be his team.

516
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 6: And he admitted to me and then this is something

517
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Speaker 6: I'm working on for later this week that you know,

518
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 6: he has been a bit deferential to some of the

519
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 6: veterans last year because he was still, you know, just

520
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 6: finishing up his He just come off a rookie season.

521
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Speaker 6: You know, now he's got you know, a cy young

522
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 6: under his belt. He's a guy who wants to win,

523
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 6: knows that he has to be the catalyst to do that.

524
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Speaker 6: But but you know, I don't know that Cutch would

525
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 6: have been happy in that role. I don't know if

526
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 6: he would have been happy accepting a pay cut from

527
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Speaker 6: the Pirates. And so those are all things they had

528
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 6: to take into consideration. Is that is that, you know,

529
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Speaker 6: do they want an Andrew McCutcheon, who, despite all the

530
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 6: great that he's done for the Pirates, might not be

531
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Speaker 6: a happy camper at a time when they felt like

532
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 6: they were ready to win I think it's a shame

533
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 6: that Andrew McCutchen is not part of the formula for

534
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 6: the Pirates if they are returning to a winning becoming

535
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 6: winning baseball team again, it's a shame that he comes

536
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 6: back and endure three losing seasons when he thought he

537
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 6: was like.

538
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Speaker 1: I'm fond of saying, you can't let your dressing room

539
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: become a museum.

540
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Speaker 7: No.

541
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Speaker 5: But but it wasn't that case for McCutcheon.

542
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 6: The thing is, you know, mccutcheons just not the type

543
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 6: of guy who's going to go up to people and

544
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 6: like bounce around and be the friendly guy in the room.

545
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 6: I think he was kind of more of the veteran

546
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 6: that expected the players to come up to him, and

547
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 6: so it was it was just a different fit. And

548
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 6: I just think it was very much it was time

549
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 6: for this to become Paul Skins team, and I think

550
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 6: Paul Skeens is ready to take on that leadership role.

551
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 6: And I think this is a team that is very

552
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 6: much you know, starting pitching dominant. That that's that's where

553
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 6: they feel like is the foundation of this team, and

554
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 6: that's the strength of the team. And that's the guy

555
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 6: who's your natural leader.

556
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 5: Right now. And Paul Skeens hasn't one.

557
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 6: Of the majors, you know, not the way he's expected

558
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 6: to win, but he does have a national championship under

559
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 6: his belt from the LSU, and I think he feels

560
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 6: like that that winning does translate that you know, winners win,

561
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 6: and that's what he's going to set out to do

562
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 6: for the Pirates this year.

563
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Speaker 1: No, I agree, And it's obvious gorm that the starting

564
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: pitching is the strength of the team, but there's.

565
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: No lefty starter.

566
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: And I am worried a bit that Chandler and Ashcraft

567
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: have less than one hundred big beginnings between them.

568
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: What concerns on top of those? Do you see with

569
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: the starters?

570
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 6: That's that's the biggest You know that these guys don't

571
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 6: have that, you know, two hundred thirty start seasons on

572
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 6: to their belt, and that's that's a tough thing. I mean,

573
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: you can only like Hunter Barco pitched one hundred and

574
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 6: one and you know change last year maybe one hundred

575
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 6: and two and change. You're not going to double that.

576
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 6: You're not You're not going to go from one hundred

577
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 6: innings so two hundred innings in one season. You're probably

578
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 6: going to go from you know, the one forty to

579
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 6: one fifty, and so that that's where the Pirates are

580
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: going to have to be, you know, pretty methodical on

581
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: how they use some of these guys, and we've seen

582
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 6: that in the past. You don't want to say, Okay,

583
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 6: we've decided that today is a five innings start, and

584
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 6: then you have a Jared Jones type performance where that

585
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 6: guy goes out there and you know, pitches incredible and

586
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 6: you have to pull him out of the start because

587
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 6: he's reached his pitch count pitch count or his innings count.

588
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 6: You know, the other part of it is, you know,

589
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 6: when you get these young guys that like Chandler especially,

590
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 6: that can throw the ball one hundred miles an hour

591
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 6: and did so in his first start of the spring,

592
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 6: sometimes they get a little too amped up and command

593
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 6: becomes an issue and they have to kind of settle

594
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 6: themselves down. But that also is the electricity that's part

595
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 6: of this pitching staff.

596
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 5: That you have.

597
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 6: You know that you have Schemes and Chandler and Ashcraft

598
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 6: all can flirt with triple digits, and that you have

599
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 6: Barco is eventually going to be a starter. I think

600
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 6: the Pirates are more concerned with stretching him out, and

601
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 6: and I felt I think they felt like he earned

602
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: a spot on this team, you know, because I always

603
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 6: looked at him as very much a long shot, just

604
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 6: because of you know, a couple of years ago he

605
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 6: had Tommy John surgery and that built him up slowly.

606
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 6: I always thought he was the guy that they were

607
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 6: going to bring along slowly and be a starter by

608
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 6: you know.

609
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: Mid season. And I still feel that way.

610
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: You know, it's just a matter of you know, Carmen

611
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 6: maccinski is the is the number five starters, a guy

612
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 6: who was a seven pitch mix and maybe more in

613
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 6: his back pocket. But he's also a guy who's had

614
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 6: a tough time second.

615
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: And third time through their order.

616
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Speaker 6: And I think that having a guy like Hunter Barco

617
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 6: available that you might be able to piggyback those two,

618
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: you know, you might both have one be the starter

619
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 6: and the other one come in and they give you,

620
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 6: you know, seven eight solid innings, and that's a good

621
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 6: performance for a starter, even though it involves two guys.

622
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Gorm real quick because we're up against it. How do

623
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: you feel about the bullpen? I like the two lefties

624
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: because they can really throw hard with the right handed starters,

625
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: they can flip the other team's lineup mid game. I'm

626
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: not totally sold on Santana as a close. I mean,

627
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm not doubting. I'm just not one hundred percent.

628
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: Well, you're not alone there.

629
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 6: I think the Pirates aren't necessarily sold on him as

630
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 6: the closer, and I think it's been more matchup based

631
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 6: with Soda and Santana. And I think the guy that's

632
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 6: had a really really good spring that could also be

633
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 6: in that MIxS justin Lawrence. He's been excellent, and so

634
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 6: it could be kind of closer by committee, which I'm

635
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 6: not a huge fan of. I like the idea of,

636
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 6: you know, even despite his struggles at times, David Budnar

637
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 6: when when he went in the game, the Pirates as

638
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 6: a team could count on him. They knew that they

639
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 6: had an all star closer. Right now that they know

640
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 6: that they have guys that they can count on, but

641
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if they know that any.

642
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 5: Of these guys is like the true ninth inning guy.

643
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 6: So they all have experience doing it. You know, they've

644
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 6: all got some saves on their resume, but I think

645
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 6: you know, the Pirates will best served if one of

646
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 6: them emerges as the true closer.

647
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Speaker 2: Gorm Great stuff and enjoy the baseball. We'll talk again soon.

648
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 5: I hope. Hey, thanks for having me on Mark always pleasure.

649
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Speaker 1: a lot of complaints from Penguin fans about the defense.

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Speaker 1: You always get the complaints about Latang, and Latang's been

677
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: up and down this year, but he played passively in

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Speaker 1: the games over the weekend effect better than that. Against

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Speaker 1: Winnipeg he had a good game, and against Carolina, nobody

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00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: had a good game. As far as Ryan Graves playing,

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00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: he played because he because there was injuries, because Ryan

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Speaker 1: Shay was out yesterday after getting whacked in the face

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Speaker 1: in the Winnipeg game.

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Speaker 2: I would play.

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Speaker 1: Solely off ahead of Graves on the left side. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that that's that big en upgrade, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not a big Graves fan. I think he's big play soft,

688
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: makes a lot of mistakes on the puck, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd go with Solioff and it wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 1: that was the case against Colorado tomorrow night at PPG

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Speaker 1: on the right side and the bottom pair. Connor Clifton

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Speaker 1: sometimes plays, Okay, I just don't think he could play

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Speaker 1: every game. And Jack say and Ivany he got hurt,

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00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: is his rehab done?

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00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he's close to returning. I

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00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: think he's playing in Wilkes, Isn't that right?

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Speaker 1: So I'd get him in there at least for a

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Speaker 1: game for Connor Clifton asap.

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Speaker 2: But don't forget there's.

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Speaker 1: Thirty two teams in this league and not thirty two

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00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: teams worth of legitimately good defenseman. So there's that to consider.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to mel Mel. You're on aspark anything?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, how much you think the public's gonna be

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Speaker 3: price coute for the parking at the Draft?

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Speaker 1: I saw someplace where parking is gonna be like two

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Speaker 1: fifty a day near the draft, So yeah, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get gods horribly.

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Speaker 2: But you go where you don't you.

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Speaker 4: Pay or you don't Oh my right, okay, just wondering.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not for that, dude.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I have never dreaded anything

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00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: like I'm dreading this draft. I have got to do

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Speaker 1: my show from Sherton Station Square and then stay afterwards

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Speaker 1: for a thing.

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00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: We're doing an.

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Speaker 1: Appearance with Bauman and Pat Fryarmouth and Kevin Colbert and

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, and that'll be fun and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. But the problem is gonna be

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Speaker 1: getting back and forth. I mean getting back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what if I don't make it even Friday

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Speaker 1: to Bridgeville for my show. What if I don't make it,

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a three quarters of a million additional

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Speaker 1: people in Pittsburgh. And I wish I had acted on

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Speaker 1: my first impulse, which was go to Liverpool to see

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Speaker 1: that game against Crystal Palace.

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Speaker 2: And who knows, I may yet do. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: a talkback?

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Speaker 7: What up?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: The more I watched Kucherov play, the more he reminds

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Speaker 3: me of Lamnafique, Mary Lemieux.

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Speaker 5: What say you?

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Speaker 1: He ain't no Lemieux, but he's a real good player.

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Speaker 1: In one area where I can see well, Jack Saint

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Speaker 1: ivany it says here has been recalled by the Penguins

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Speaker 1: UH late last week from his.

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Speaker 2: Conditioning E Simon.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I would get him in there

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Speaker 1: for Clifton for at least the game and see how

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Speaker 1: he plays. I've always been a Saint Ivany fan. And

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Speaker 1: even though I think that, I think Connor Clifton's okay,

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Speaker 1: I think Jack Saint Ivany's better.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Where Kucherov reminds me a bit of le Meeu is

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Speaker 2: his vision.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: Mario always knew where the play was going.

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Speaker 1: To be, not where it might have looked like it

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Speaker 1: was at that moment. And Koutrov I see some of

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Speaker 1: the same elements from him. He's not as big, nearly

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Speaker 1: as big as Mario. And when of them about Mario,

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00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Mario played like with a little guy's skill, a smaller guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean he had in ordinate skill for anybody, had

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: more skill than anybody, let alone for a six foot

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Speaker 1: whatever it was four or five guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.

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00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 7: Hey, Mark, since you did time with WCW, I was

758
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 7: wonder if there's any wrestlers that were a shock that,

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00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 7: like the persona was way different than they are.

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Speaker 1: First, No, not really the best wrestlers, you know, they're

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00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: they're on screen characters, extensions of their real life characters.

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: So no, nobody was a lot different. There were some

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Speaker 1: guys like Randy Savage always talked in dead void. Wait

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Speaker 1: hold like I get the woice right? Oh yeah, you

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00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: always talked like that. Yeah, always never broke character? Was

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00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: that his voice growing up? I don't know, hard to

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: it would be, but but no, most guys were off

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Speaker 1: screen like they were on screen. Let's go to Dave.

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Speaker 2: Dave Askmark anything, hey, now?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: Now they out of Cornak Clifton, Ryan Graves and Jackson

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Speaker 3: and Ivany.

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: Out of grades?

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: Who deserves the best spot and why? I don't think

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00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: Ryan graves play as of late has been that good.

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00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: And then out of the older coaches in March Madness,

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Speaker 3: Why do you think those older coaches are having better success?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to March Madness. I you know

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00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: Sean Miller's having success in Texas. I'm glad to see that.

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00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned that earlier.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Is experience a factor? Is passing that experience down to

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Speaker 1: the player as a factor. I think you could say that,

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Speaker 1: but I think whenever you have a single elimination tournament,

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Speaker 1: especially after merely the first two rounds.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot happens. That's random, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, far a seeding is concerned, it's some someone has

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Speaker 3: basically luck with what who you have out there in

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Speaker 3: such minus the five you start.

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Speaker 1: I give this Siena coach credit. It didn't work, but

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: he pulled off that. He almost upset Duke using just

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00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: five guys no subs, and people criticized him for that.

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: I think it got him as close as he did.

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Speaker 1: As far as the Penwans defenseman goes, I don't know.

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00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Graves didn't play well on Sunday. I don't know if

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00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Shay's gonna be available tomorrow night against Colorado, but if

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00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: he's not, I would go with solely off over Graves.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Carlson will get any votes for defense

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Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year just based on stats alone

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00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: or is he gonna have to do a little more

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00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: here towards the.

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00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: Well that's Norris Trophy Outstanding Defenseman and as things stand, yes,

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00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: I think he'll get votes, but I think the highest

805
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: he can hope to finish is four. I think that

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: quinn Ewes will win it. I think Cale mccarr will

807
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: finish second. Zach Wrensky from Columbus third and then Carlson.

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00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: I think the highest he can finish is fourth.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: Okay, get more calls in. We're gonna have that redicular

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Speaker 1: sound from cam scatabo and just a moment, uh, the

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00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: Connor Griffin thing. I don't feel like you've called enough

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00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: about that. Uh. And my idea also that the Penguins

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: should call it morishoff, which they won't. But if you're

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Speaker 1: not going to call morreshoff up, I think Skinner's played

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Speaker 1: poorly enough that I would give shilloffs the majority of

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: the starts, and in fact only start Skinner for the

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Speaker 1: foreseeable future in the second half of games on back

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Speaker 1: to back days.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, I would roll with shilloffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I would call it mori shoff, but since

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Speaker 1: they won't, I would roll with shilloffs one oh five

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Speaker 1: to nine