1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Call it all Wolves stands. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: You can join us for a michelob Ultra watch party 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: January twentieth at Wild Bills in Apple Valley. Kfans Max 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Fuller will be there from seven to nine. You can 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: play trivia, win prizes, enjoyed, drink specials, hang out with 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: Max full Details kfan dot com keyword calendar. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Well, not exactly. 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 3: I believe the news that the Minnesota Wild we're all 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: that interested in celebrating. But your guy, the team's leading scorer, 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: Matt Boldi lost for the road trip. With the Wild 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: about to begin a three game road trip, and Boldie 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: has been placed as of today on injured reserve, described 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: as a lower body injury, so he's got to miss 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 3: at least the upcoming three game trip to Buffalo. Russo 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: Radio reminds us that the Sabers have won fifteen of 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: seventeen Toronto and Montreal. Bowdie will also be forced to 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: miss the team's first game back home against the Red 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 3: Wings next Thursday. There does seem to be some question 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: is to win exactly? He got hurt, played more than 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: nineteen minutes in are not exactly inspired six to two 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: lost to Winnipeg last night. He hadn't assist in that game, 22 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: but he is. 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: Out. 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: The Wild also plays your guy Eric Sinek on injury 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: reserve with a lower body injury that's retroactive to last Thursday, 26 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: so he can come off anytime he's ready to return. 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: Ericsoneck has missed three games, team zero two to one. 28 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: In that stretch. 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: The club has lost five of their last six games, one, 30 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: three and two. So I'm not calling it crisis, but 31 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: I am saying that after what seemed to be a 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 3: real surge, giving belief to the notion that the Wild 33 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: are going to make some noise in the playoffs, finally 34 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: they are going to get out of the first round 35 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: this year, we go back to. 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: A tender, more vulnerable place. 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: That indicates not the end of the season, but certainly 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: trouble compared to what we had before. And now you 39 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: have injury added to insult correct some big, big knockers 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: out there. That's including brodein Am. I missed the Olympics 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: because he's in the meat grinder. 42 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: Ay, right, so, but this is why you build the 43 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: big bank of points, right, does help to help weather 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: the inevitable injury storms that I'm sure affect every team. 45 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: At some point. I think Winnipeg even had some injuries 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: last night, but the Wild it seems like when they 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: get one, they get a couple and it just compounds 48 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: and compounds and compounds. Earlier in the season it felt 49 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: like that was happening. So that's a buzzkill. So Boldie 50 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: one is interesting because, as Russo said, nobody knows when 51 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: it happened, or at least we haven't figured it out. 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Yet or they're not saying mm hmm. 53 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: Boldie and Eric Sinac are expected to be available for 54 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: the Winter Games next month, at least according to a 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: Russo team source Versus. Eric Sinac will represent Sweden. Boldie 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: the US your guy Bogosi and also remains uninjured reserve 57 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 3: lower body injury. He has missed five games. Our kid 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: goalie who's been one of the emerging stories this year. 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: Awful yesterday and then got pulled right after two periods. Yes, 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: that was sake. They went back to the not unprecedented. No, 61 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 3: it certainly happened over a period of time. So none 62 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: of that's encouraging news. It's not, you know, season ending 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: kind of kind of stuff. And it looks like right 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: off the bat, we're playing a very good, you know, 65 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: a very hot team at the very least. 66 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: So. 67 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: You do what you do. 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: I mean, ultimately, you have to find a way to 69 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: dig deep and figure something out so that a mini 70 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: slump doesn't start looking like a full fledged slump. That will, 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: quite frankly, reintroduce the doubts that a lot of people 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: had at this team, about this team when early when 73 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: we started the season struggling to the degree that we had. 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: Because the momentum has been so great lately, it's well, 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: they're going to have to make one other move, right, Yeah, 76 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean you're gonna have to. I mean, they're good 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: enough now to compete. They've already proven that. Therefore, you 78 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: can't worry about another draft pick, or you can't worry 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: about mortgaging some of the future. You got to add 80 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: one more piece to give you the best chance to 81 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 3: make a move now so things can change. 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: We just talked about it the first segment. 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: The regular season is long, and this is another example 84 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: of not being sure how worried to become. Over stretch 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: of games in which we don't look particularly good. Capricetoff 86 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: has it certainly hasn't looked like his old self offensively, 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 3: so I don't know, we'll know where you know, so 88 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: to us, in a sense, I've already violated my vow, 89 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: although I didn't really vow. What I said was I 90 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 3: wanted us to consider the idea of not talking about 91 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: any more regular season basketball or hockey because of how 92 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: booby trapped the whole conversation tends to be when we 93 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: pretend that the world is coming to an end, or 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: we pretend that it's all it's all inevitable that we're 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: going to raise a banner. So maybe we'll we'll think 96 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: about that over the weekend. You mentioned it's gonna be 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: hard to do that given Thursday we're supposed to do 98 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: from Target Center right before the Wolf Bulls game a program, 99 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: So it'll be kind of hard to not talk about 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: that then. So maybe we just get a little bit 101 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: selective about I'm not sure now you could argue that 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: talking about an injury is legit because that's not necessarily 103 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: evaluating what the team has been up to. It has 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: more to do with the factual notion that a particular 105 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: important player is just not. 106 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: Available ten games before the Olympic break. You know you've 107 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: been asking me, yes, when do they go? When is 108 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: Garren go and one of the players said it last night. Basically, 109 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: we've got ten games or so before we all take 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: the break, and February fourth is the last game. They're 111 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: on the road at Nashville. But that'll be a fun night. 112 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: I bet they stay over and play the game in 113 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: nash Vegas, then hang out there on Broadway. Why wouldn't 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: you everybody goes to the Olympics or goes back home, 115 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: But so we'll see what they do in these next. 116 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: Ten Why wouldn't we consider the Larry Mondela guys suggestion 117 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: for the picks next week? 118 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: Maybe we just do the picks with Mark Gerbschmidt. 119 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: And don't even bother with Carl, as sensitive as he 120 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: is and is really you know, stifling as the as 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: the segment becomes, because anytime we get into anything that 122 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: this might be a little bit pithy or snarky, he 123 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: basically replays the tape of his. 124 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Brother saying this is what he won't be. 125 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: A part of the problem with that, I think is 126 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: didn't Mark seem a little dry? Yeah, I don't think 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: that was very entertaining. No, But on the other hand, 128 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: I Carl was pretty dry. 129 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: He was, But there's always potential. 130 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: Now that's true with Gerby, And the thing with Gerby 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: is you never know, Like they could fire Matt Lafleur 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: and somehow hire John Harball away from the Giants by 133 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 2: next week and then all of a sudden Gerby's back 134 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: to the usual antagonistic Carl Gerbschmidt. 135 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: Things can change quickly, making it's kind of like this 136 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: is sports. Yeah, it's exactly true. I guess that's a 137 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: that's a fair point. Give Aays some money as well. 138 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: Fan wants to give you a shot to win Bonus bucks. 139 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: It is our national cash contest four o'clock. Keyword is bonus. 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: Go to Cafe dot com and enter the keyword bonus. 141 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: Our Russian players are bumbling. The Saint Paul wall is crumbling. 142 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: This franchise is always fumbling. Dallas Stars in five Ah, 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: that's rough. They say we're tough. Clayton from Rochester, Miami 144 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: is full of Indiana red. Do you think Harball hogged 145 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: the bed? 146 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: Michaelbell's brother, the Sheikh's mid mud Pit rumors are no 147 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: longer dead. 148 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: Wolves and five. 149 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: I'm sorry Clayton, I mangled the delivery there. That's really 150 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: well done. That's a good synopsis of the week. It 151 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: is Miami is full of Indiana red. Do you think 152 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: Harbaugh hogged the bed? The Chik's mud pit rumors are 153 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: no longer dead wolves and fives. 154 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: That's really really good, that's outstanding. A couple of. 155 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: News items. The President of the United States, now update 156 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 3: me if there's another change on this, because it changes hourly. 157 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: Seemed to soften, at least for the moment, his threat 158 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: about sending in the troops via the Insurrection Insurrection Act. 159 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: Today he said, and I don't know where this was, 160 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: if this was an oppressor or if this was when 161 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 3: he was accepting the. 162 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: Peace Prize that he didn't win. 163 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any reason right now to use it, 164 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: but if I needed it, i'd use it now. There 165 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: was a headline without it. I didn't find any detail 166 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: on this indicating that the Governor's office would was in 167 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: communication with the White House. Does that mean maybe they 168 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: took up Arnie Carlson's idea about the direct conversation. I 169 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: don't know, because I can't find beyond that vague headline, 170 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: I can't find any detail about it. Somebody might be 171 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: able to help me in that regard via the Bratshawn 172 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: Bryant kfe in text line at six four six eight six. 173 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: Starch Bune had that headline. Just clicked on the story 174 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: here quickly. 175 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: I can't find any detail from the story, can you? 176 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Really? 177 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: The only detail is Governor Walls told the Trump administration 178 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: to end this occupation. Yeah, during a live address earlier 179 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: this week. And his office said it's in touch with 180 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: the White House. But yeah, that's pretty vague. 181 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: So we don't know what that what exactly that that 182 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: might mean. But I thought that was at least worthy 183 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: of some conversation. 184 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: Now. 185 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: Is it possible the president is distracted as he continues 186 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: to build the plans to invade Greenland? 187 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 188 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: By the way, did you see Let me see if 189 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: I can find it here. I had it somewhere. Are 190 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: you familiar with Mitch McConnell, yeah, US senator, Yeah, longtime, 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: longtime senator. I believe a Republican, Yes, pretty sure. 192 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Will you look that up? 193 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: And I think he's a Republican? Yes, I had to 194 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: think about it, but he is Mitch McConnell, either yesterday 195 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: or the day before. Close ties with our northernmost allies 196 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: are what make America's extensive reach in the Arctic actually possible. 197 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: And I have yet to hear from this administration a 198 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: single thing we need from Greenland that this sovereign people 199 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: is not already willing to grant us unless until the 200 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 3: President can demonstrate otherwise. Then the proposition at hand today 201 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: is very straightforward, incinerating a hard one trust of loyal 202 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: allies in exchange for no meaningful change in US access 203 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: to the Arctic. That's a tried and true Republican asking 204 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: what needs to be asked? This falls under the classification 205 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: we got into some of this on Enough said tonight, 206 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: where you just every once in a while shake your 207 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: head and go, we might do what and we have 208 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: to be explained. We have to explain why we want 209 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: to do what invade Greenland. It's just so absurd. It 210 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: should be even absurd to the Trumpers. But I guess 211 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: if once you start down the path, I guess it's 212 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: there's just no end to it. But there are a 213 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: number of Republicans again who've said, on this one. 214 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: What are we doing? What are we doing? 215 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: What kind of message is this sending other than we 216 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: can just flex whenever we want to, and that what 217 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: we oppose when other people do it, but I digress 218 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: one pop culture item not political in nature. I don't believe, 219 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: and I meant to get to this yesterday and unfortunately 220 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: I didn't. But I can't not discuss it, I guess 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 3: is the best way to put it. Yesterday. Let's say 222 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: yesterday was the fifteenth correct YEP. On jan fifteen, nineteen 223 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: eighty one, a new television show back in the days 224 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: when network TV mattered, premiered. 225 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: And it was called Hill Street Blues. 226 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: And I bring it up not because everybody can relate 227 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: to it, given how far back it goes, but I 228 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: would say to you that if you've ever enjoyed any 229 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: of what now seems to be an end less series, 230 00:13:52,640 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: end less series of TV police related procedurals or or whatever, 231 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: you can make the argument that they all come from 232 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: that show, which when it was released, was different than 233 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: almost any other cop show that had ever been offered 234 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: up on television because it was more than a one 235 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: atom twelve right, which was all right, we're just going 236 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: to solve crimes. It was the human toll of law enforcement. 237 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: It was trying to, I guess, debate procedures sometimes used 238 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: by the police when police may have crossed the line 239 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: a bit. The cast was legendary, and it included a 240 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: guy you had, I think in this very studio ed 241 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: Maren Aerram, the former football pass It ran from eighty 242 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: one one to eighty seven, and in eighty one it 243 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: won eight, count them, eight Emmy Awards. That's only been 244 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: surpassed once by West Wing in two thousand. That's how 245 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: influential and successful and celebrated that show was. It ended 246 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: up winning between May of eighty seven, I should say 247 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: January of eighty one and May of eighty seven, one 248 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: hundred and forty six episodes, twenty six Emmy Awards, ninety 249 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 3: eight Emmy Award nominations, and it was. It was a 250 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: classic ensemble cast, by the way. It included a former 251 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: UCLA basketball player named Michael Warren as well Daniel J. Travante, 252 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: Veronica Hamil, Michael Conrad, and a slew of very effective 253 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: ensemble members including Dennis Franz as well. And I The 254 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: thing that always, I mean to me, the signature of 255 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: that program, The thing that made it. 256 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: So good at humanizing. 257 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: The cop experience again without always romanticizing the cop conduct 258 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: was Each episode would generally begin at least in the 259 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: early years with roll Call, and it would be the 260 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: morning deal, where okay, Jones and Pazinski, you're going, you're 261 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: taking care of this murder investigation or this Bunco squad stort, 262 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. And then they all start 263 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: getting up like they're gonna go start, you know, starting 264 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: their day, and the sergeant phil Esterhaus. 265 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Stopped them. Whoa waa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 266 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Let's be careful out there. 267 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: Became like this mantra, which of course said everything you 268 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: might not come home alive by the end. Let's be 269 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: careful out there, said it pretty much every time. And 270 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: by the way, once he passed away in real life, 271 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: then I believe the tradition was continued by Sergeant Lucy 272 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: Bates through the end of season four, basically saying the 273 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: same thing. So for those who can remember it, I 274 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: assume they celebrate it, I hope, the same way we did. 275 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: But what you got it see today, it's hard to 276 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: relate because there's so many options today. 277 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: But what you have to remember then is there weren't 278 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: that many. 279 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: You just got the three networks, maybe a couple of 280 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 3: independent things, and so when something hit It felt big 281 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: because in this case, as I said, there really had 282 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: not been a show quite like it before, and because 283 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: there weren't all that many others do it out on 284 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: its own. A million shows, I think, to varying degrees 285 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: have been inspired by what that show attempted to establish. 286 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Hill Street Blues. And I don't even know. I assume 287 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: you can get it. 288 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's, you know, available somewhere. 289 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: I maybe it would be a little dated at this point. 290 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: I'm not sure because I haven't seen it forever. It's 291 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: probably too old for you. Right, Hill Street Blues it is. 292 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: I had to do a crash course when Marion Narrow 293 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: came in studio. I think you were supposed to do it. 294 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: I was. I was disappointed because although you said it 295 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: was kind of kind of pear shape, because it was hard, 296 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: kind of raining, Ed in a little bit ed like dad. 297 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: He wouldn't stop talking. 298 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: Well, there was the draft when he wouldn't stop talking, 299 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 2: which was like a week later, it might have been 300 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: even the same week. But then it made the appearance 301 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: with me even funnier. I thought, yes, because you could 302 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: see that coming. You could see that Ed was going 303 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: to take his moment, even in the forty five minutes 304 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: or the hour that he spent in that studio talking 305 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: about Hill Street. And he had another show later where 306 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: he was a football coach that had kind of a 307 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: cult following. Yes, so we talked about that, but it 308 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: was fine, It was interesting. But yeah, he liked himself 309 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: some ed for sure. Yeah, well, I mean I guess, 310 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean he was also a great player. Yeah, and 311 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: then he ended up being a pretty effective actor for 312 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: that period of time as well. And that was the 313 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: show in which he was He was he among many. 314 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: That was the other thing that was the one of 315 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: the first ensemble shows. It was an endless number of 316 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: people that all got put into it and it worked 317 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: just brilliantly for. 318 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: A number I think. As I said about six years. 319 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: Premiering yesterday, January fifteen, in the year nineteen hundred and 320 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 3: eighty one. Bottom of hoar pause, Ben Gestling, we get 321 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: caught up on Nbay No, not Stanley Cup either, WNB No, 322 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 3: not that. How about NFL playoffs and whatever leftover thoughts 323 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: he has on your favorite football team, the Minnesota Vikings. 324 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. 325 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: Questions for Ben Gestling or Gosling, I think or is 326 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 3: it Gooseling. Whatever way, Carl Gerschmidt has mispronounced his last name. 327 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: Hit the branch on Brian cafean text line to chat 328 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: with us and him six four six eight six. 329 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: That's six four six eight six. 330 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: The four and two Ben Gestling from the pick segment 331 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: last he did very well for second. 332 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Tide for second place did extremely well last week. Maybe 333 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: that's where we start. We start with the playoffs. How 334 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: many of these games are on the fan? Do we 335 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: know most of them? 336 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: There's a wild game tomorrow that will cut into the 337 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: first game. That was the Denver and Buffalo game, so 338 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: the second game will be on in between. Then we've 339 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: got Wolves, but on Sunday, both of them are both 340 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: of them on. 341 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: It'll be on the plus, if not the fan, that's 342 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: the beauty of it. You will be covered via the 343 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 3: iHeart the Free Free Free our Heart radio app I 344 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: look at you know, in anticipation, we talked about this 345 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: last week, but now we can talk about not what 346 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: we anticipated for the wildcard round, but what took place. 347 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: And historically, Ben, as you well know, most people say, well, 348 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: this is the week they like the best because the 349 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: assumption is the first week there could be some mismatches, 350 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: some games that are that you don't even have to 351 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: bother watching, and that this is the week where the 352 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: cream will. 353 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: Rise to the top. 354 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: You have the best teams. But what's remarkable this year 355 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: is you only had one game that you could say 356 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: was kind of a snoozer, the last one, New England. 357 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: Hosting the Chargers. 358 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: But that was a one score game to the fourth quarter, 359 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: even if there was not, you know, of offense in 360 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: that game. So I'm fully looking forward to these matchups 361 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: going in ben all four of them. 362 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: I like these games. 363 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I mean, really last weekend I think 364 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: certainly delivered two expectations. I mean, you know those early games, 365 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 4: you're always kind of like, is there a team that 366 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: doesn't belong here? Are these going to be lopsided? But 367 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 4: the thing about the divisional playoffs that I think is 368 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: fun is you still have the volume of games. I mean, 369 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: when it gets down to two, it's a little bit less, 370 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: and you know, there's a little less to look forward to, 371 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: but the fact that it's still two days of it, 372 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: and then you have these teams that are at their peak. 373 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 4: They have either one game or had to buy to 374 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 4: get to this point. So you know, you kind of 375 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: have the quality and quantity match up. But yeah, last 376 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 4: weekend was a lot of fun with all of those 377 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: coming down to the end until that last one. Like 378 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: you said, so yeah, so far. I mean the NFL 379 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: wants close games to the point where they you know, 380 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 4: they set out those statistics every week about how many 381 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 4: games were one score games, and they certainly would like 382 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 4: that being part of their brand. And I think whether 383 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: parody or rules, I think it's all engineered to produce 384 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 4: a lot of these games where they come right down 385 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 4: to the end. So I would expect more of that 386 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: this weekend, and I think this set of playoff teams 387 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: has been pretty wide open. So yeah, this weekend is 388 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: It's one of my favorites of the year football wise, 389 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: and I think it will be certainly a lot of 390 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 4: good viewing this weekend. 391 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 3: Well, you know a couple of examples here of how 392 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: I think unique this is this time around. You know, 393 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: Buffalo is on the road this year. They are slight 394 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: underdogs to Denver, but it certainly looks like it should 395 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: be a hell of a game, given Denver hasn't been 396 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: here before right with this group, and Buffalo's got a 397 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: lot of pedigree. The Bears are on this improbable ascension 398 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: via the comeback historic comebacks, and yet they're at home 399 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: again in the frigidity of Chicago, four and a half 400 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 3: point underdogs in this game, which again speaks to a 401 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: belief in Matthew Stafford a little bit and the Rams 402 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: being a little bit more solid. So you have, I 403 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: think you have in both those cases, you have home 404 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: teams that are considered a little bit maybe suspect, but 405 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: that aren't in position where what's an easy game for 406 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: either one of them and good chances for road teams 407 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: to be successful. I liked I want to play off 408 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: a little bit riff on the Mark craigpiece that's available 409 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: start tom dot com. That tries, I think hard to say, 410 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 3: as much as we get fixated with the quarterback position, 411 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: let's really take a long, hard look at several of 412 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: these teams and they're run. To this point, he was 413 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: speaking most notably about the number one Seeds right Seattle 414 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: on the NFC side, Denver the AFC side. They both 415 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: have recognizable quarterback names, actually Sam Darnold, who played creditably 416 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: certainly through much of the season, but in Craig's theory, 417 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: Seattle is really more than anything else about great defense, 418 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: and Denver most assuredly is about great defense as well. 419 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: And that's where it gets tricky, right about all these 420 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: declarations that, well, better have a quarterback. I think we 421 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: all agree, all things being equal, you need a quarterback. 422 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: But every once in a while, teams come around and 423 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: come around that remind us that if you can have 424 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: an exemplary defense, you might be able to get away 425 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 3: with something less than a superstar at the quarterback position. 426 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: I agree, and I think we have seen a lot 427 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 4: of that shift happen across the NFL over the last 428 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: couple of years, where you have seen teams start to 429 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 4: have an answer to a lot of the offensive explosion 430 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 4: that had happened where it was you had all of 431 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 4: these teams throwing the ball vertically and getting big chunk plays. 432 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 4: And the change kind of happened in a couple of 433 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 4: different fashions. It was a lot of the Vic Fangio 434 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 4: stuff where people said, we're going to keep two safeties 435 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: over the top and you're not going to throw the 436 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 4: ball down field on us. You're going to have to 437 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 4: be patient and try to not make mistakes and go 438 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: eight ten yards at a time, and then you've had, 439 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 4: you know, the Brian Flores type approach to this, where 440 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 4: it's we're going to play some of that stuff, but 441 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: also we're going to come at you so fast that 442 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: you can't get the ball down field because if you 443 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: try to hold it that long, you're going to be 444 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: on your back. So there has been this shift over 445 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: the last few years. It's scoring has been you know, 446 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: it's been down a little bit, I think, and you 447 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 4: have teams that probably have come up with answers that 448 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: offenses maybe haven't adjusted to quite yet. So you do 449 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: have these teams like the Broncos and like the Seahawks 450 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 4: that are getting there in part because they bring a 451 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: lot of chaos and defense. I mean with the Seahawks 452 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: it's been that front, and the Vikings certainly had a 453 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: lot of trouble with it when they went out there, 454 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: and the Broncos will throw a lot of different things 455 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: at you as well in terms of that front seven. 456 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 4: So you have had, i think teams come up with 457 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: some kind of innovations and innovative solutions to what we 458 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: see in offenses do and it kind of goes in 459 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 4: this pendulum and I'm sure we'll see offenses shift back 460 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 4: here at some point as well. But when you have 461 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: I think part of it is when you have young 462 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: quarterbacks sometimes and young offensive linemen that are playing a 463 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 4: game in college that maybe doesn't prepare them for how 464 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 4: things are played in the NFL. That adjustment is really tough. 465 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 4: And we've talked a lot this year about quarterbacks reading 466 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: coverage and how much coverage you need to read, all 467 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: the peer progression stuff. A lot of this gets tricky 468 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: when you have teams that are able to do like 469 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 4: what you'll see the Seahawks do sometimes and what you'll 470 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 4: probably see the Broncos do as well, where the picture 471 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: a quarterback has is not necessarily going to hold up 472 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 4: when he gets to the top of his drop and 473 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 4: then he has to adjust. So I think when you 474 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: have defenses built like these teams have them, you make 475 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: yourself more competitive. It's not something where you have to 476 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: be the first one to thirty five points. I think 477 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 4: there is a little bit of his shift, and certainly 478 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: the Seahawks and Broncos have been big beneficiaries of that, 479 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: and probably two of the leaders in that sense as well. 480 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: No question, and you know, I think we're all trying 481 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 3: to figure out, well, what does this make it less 482 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: likely that Brian Flores will return here to run this defense? 483 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: That owners and general managers who are what we've got 484 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: one filled position of that of the Giants head coaching job, 485 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 3: John Harbaugh, that's still a. 486 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: Lot of openings. 487 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: And you say, all right, are you looking it's the 488 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: ongoing question, or are you looking for an offensive you know, 489 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: like a quarterback whisperer, or if you're looking for somebody 490 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: if you really don't think you have much of a 491 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: chance to get greatness at the quarterback position. A guy 492 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: who can fashion a really solid defense that you know, 493 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: can kind of stand the test of time, that can 494 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: be sustained, and they can give you a little bit 495 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: of cover when it comes to who you have at 496 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: the quarterback position. 497 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Do you think any of that will have any impact on. 498 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: Whether you know b Flow is less or more likely 499 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: to be back with the Vikings as defensive coordinator leaving 500 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: a side. I'm not talking about going to a coordinator 501 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: job someplace else, Yeah, talking about his chances to be 502 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: a head coach. 503 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and certainly I think we'll get him 504 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 4: in the room. I think you're going to have a 505 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: lot of teams that want to hear about the way 506 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 4: he's gone about things the last few years because it 507 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: has been very innovative. There has not been anybody that's 508 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 4: taken the types of schemes with the blitzes and pairing 509 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 4: all of his own coverages behind it quite the way 510 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: that he's done it. So I would imagine that you're 511 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 4: going to have more teams like the Ravens and the Steelers, 512 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 4: and maybe a couple more that just want to sit 513 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: down with him and use it at least as an 514 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 4: excuse to pick his brain and possibly see if it's 515 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: a good fit. I think the thing you have to 516 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 4: figure out with him, whether or not he is the 517 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 4: You know, the scheme can be incredibly beneficial, but you 518 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: do have to have an idea if he's going to 519 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: be your head coach, of how he will approach the 520 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 4: quarterback position. It's got to be somebody he's bringing with 521 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 4: him to call players. Obviously, you have to have a 522 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: plan for how he's going to connect with the quarterback 523 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 4: because the Tuatako Bobowa questions are going to come up, 524 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 4: and the idea of how he relates to players is 525 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 4: going to come up. I mean all of those things 526 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 4: when you're looking for a head coach have to be 527 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 4: part of it, even if your expertise is not on 528 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball, and we certainly saw 529 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 4: it with Mike Zimmer when he was here. The lack 530 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: of connection he had with his highly paid quarterback was 531 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 4: a big storyline for a long time and probably had 532 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 4: a big impact on that team hitting a ceiling. So 533 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 4: I think his approach and the way he's gone about 534 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 4: it defensively has been innovative enough and successful enough that 535 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 4: he's going to get looks. The overall question of what 536 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: kind of a CEO is he going to be, what 537 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: kind of a forward facing figure, connecting with departments across 538 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: the building. All of those things come into it, and 539 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 4: the quarterback piece has to come into it in that regard, 540 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: because you have to have that connection with your quarterback 541 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: for it to work. Even if you are a team 542 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 4: that's kind of defense first and defense forward, I think 543 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: you have to have some ideas, especially if you're going 544 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 4: to a team that needs a young quarterback and has 545 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 4: to have a plan going forward at that position. I imagine 546 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 4: he's going to spend a lot of his time in 547 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: these interviews talking about his ideas. 548 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: There Yeah no question, Ben Gasling brought to you by 549 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: Standard Heating and air Conditioning, as we prepare for the 550 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: Divisional round of the National Football League playoffs, and we 551 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: look back, I guess yet again on your favorite football team, 552 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings. I want to get to a text 553 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: to get your reaction to it, because I don't know 554 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: that I heard this particular mixed message. But this is 555 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: what Mike out of New Richmond writes, curious on Ben's 556 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: take on Quazy sending out mixed messages. Before the year, 557 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 3: he said they the Vikings were interested in win games 558 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: in many different ways. This week he said they had 559 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: to get back to playing kaos C style. So does 560 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 3: this show Koc isn't capable of adjusting and doing what 561 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: he originally said, doing whatever it takes to win. Koc 562 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: look pained each time he had to alter his kick 563 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: ass offense. Did you get the same message from Quasy 564 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 3: when he spoke along with the KOC or what do 565 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: you make of that text? 566 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 4: It is interesting my ears did perk up when he 567 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: talked about getting back to the explosive style that we've 568 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: played and we've had a lot of success with I 569 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 4: think they want that to be a bigger part of 570 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 4: the offense. And I certainly think that Kevin O'Connell wants 571 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: that to be the way they play him, and I 572 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 4: don't think there's any doubt about that, and I don't 573 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: think he probably enjoyed having to change that as much 574 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 4: as they did this year. So I think they want 575 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 4: that to be a bigger piece of what they do. 576 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 4: And I think you know, when they're talking about winning 577 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 4: different types of fights, that obviously they're talking about being 578 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 4: able to run the ball and play in more low 579 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 4: scoring games, and certainly defensively they're set up to do that. 580 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: I think some of the emphasis on running the ball 581 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: was partially what they wanted to do when teams are 582 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 4: keeping more safeties back, I think that will continue to 583 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 4: be part of it. But you also have to have 584 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: a passing game that is a big component of that. 585 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 4: So I think it's this mix of the base of 586 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 4: what O'Connell wants to do was not there and the CounterPunch, 587 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 4: so to speak, was It was there, but it probably 588 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 4: could continue to get better. I did notice that, and 589 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: I think it's certainly wise to assume that if the 590 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 4: general manager is bringing that up. It's been a topic 591 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 4: of conversation behind closed doors about how they need to 592 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 4: get more of that back in their offense. I don't 593 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 4: know that it will be exclusively that, but I do 594 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 4: think that part of their identity was missing this year, 595 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 4: and the fact that he said it the way he did, 596 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 4: it's worth keeping that in mind as we go through 597 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: the off season. 598 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 3: So I think one of the ongoing questions is how 599 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 3: ambitious the Vikings can be regarding whatever quarterback presence they 600 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: bring into the room. How far do you believe, privately 601 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: forget publicly privately they will be willing to go when 602 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: it comes to the question of literally competing for a 603 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: wide open starting quarterback birth, I. 604 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 4: Think if they I mean, cash in the free agency 605 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 4: market is one thing, and the free agency market is 606 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 4: not all that attractive. I mean, you've got Malik Willis, 607 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 4: You've got Daniel Jones, whether he's healthy or not. You've 608 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: got guys like Jimmy Garoppolo. I mean, you know, those 609 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: are some of the names they're going to come up. 610 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 4: Trades are a different story. I mean, if you were 611 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 4: going to look at somebody that's been around the block 612 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 4: a little bit, or if you say Joe Burrow is available. 613 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 4: Is that something they take a swing at. I think 614 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 4: they will be open minded enough about this that if 615 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: there's a shoot the mo own chance out there, I 616 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 4: wouldn't rule that out. I say that with the acknowledgment 617 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 4: that that can cost money, that can cost resources. Having 618 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 4: a highly paid quarterback at the same time you have 619 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: a highly paid receiver can be a tough thing to 620 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 4: figure out financially. And they've got a lot of questions 621 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 4: to answer financially this offseason anyway, with a lot of 622 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 4: veteran players that have a lot of cap space occupied 623 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 4: for next year. But I think if they found something 624 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 4: like that and they felt like this could be the 625 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 4: person that helps us make a deep run, I wouldn't 626 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 4: rule that out. I don't think they've given up on McCarthy, 627 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 4: but I think they are going to be open minded 628 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: enough about this that if they find themselves with a 629 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 4: chance to pull a trigger on something like that, I 630 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 4: don't think they're gonna, you know, just kind of swear 631 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 4: that off and say that's not something I'm going to 632 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 4: consider at all. I would not be surprised if they 633 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 4: went into this with an ambitious mindset. 634 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 3: Do they Here's what. I'm curious who was there. I 635 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: wasn't in the press or start to finish. I listened 636 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: to a lot of it, and I think I'm in 637 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 3: the minority because I came away not all that impressed 638 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: with their declaration that was accepted as we're bringing in competition. 639 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: I still thought it was so equivocating in their words, 640 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 3: and well, every you know, everybody can use a better 641 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 3: quarterback room, a deeper quarterback room, which you could say 642 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 3: that no matter what your intention is as a starting position. 643 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 3: And I know I'm unrealistic in what I was hoping for, 644 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: but I kind of almost wanted him to step out 645 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 3: of character KOC and go a little further and say, hey, look, 646 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 3: we believe in this kid. We have believed in this kid, 647 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: but he's got to get better in a number of 648 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 3: areas here in a way that I can't in fairness 649 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: to the rest of my team, I have to, you know, 650 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 3: kind of put all things on the table here and 651 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 3: even like a samized version, a nicer version of what 652 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 3: I said. 653 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: I didn't get much of that from him. 654 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, I would agree, I mean, 655 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 4: he did not go that far. I actually thought Quincy 656 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 4: Ado Famensa was probably a little more direct in some 657 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 4: of the things that he said, or at least a 658 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: little more declarative. But I also think the thing that 659 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell said about the way we talk internally may 660 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 4: not be the exact way that I operate up at 661 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 4: this podium. I do think he's seen a little bit 662 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 4: this year that being as direct, perhaps as he's been 663 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 4: in the past doesn't always serve him very well, especially 664 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: at this point. So I would not be surprised if 665 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 4: the equivocation that we saw at the podium is different 666 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 4: than how they're talking about this internally. And I think 667 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 4: it's very possible that they'll say, well, we can develop 668 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 4: McCarthy and go forward with that, but I don't think 669 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: they'll rule anything else out just because you're not going 670 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 4: to know about him until you get back into a 671 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 4: game action. I mean, we've seen this, whether it's pre 672 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 4: season games or training camp. There is a difference when 673 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 4: you get into the real thing and everything is faster 674 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 4: and everything's more complex, and you have to be able 675 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 4: to operate and live in that world. And they're not 676 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 4: going to know that until the start of the season. 677 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 4: And I think when you still have a veteran team, 678 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 4: there is going to be a little bit of a 679 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 4: nudge toward getting somebody in here that can compete with 680 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 4: a higher level of certainty than they had. I mean, 681 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 4: I think it's one thing to have him as the 682 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 4: first year starter and say, Okay, we think this can work, 683 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 4: and we'll, you know, kind of give it the try 684 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 4: and see if everything else around him can help support him. 685 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 4: I think it's another thing to go back into it 686 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 4: in year two seeing what they saw and say we're 687 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 4: going to put all of our eggs in that Basketing 688 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 4: in doesn't mean he won't be the starter, but like 689 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 4: I said, I think they will go into this offseason 690 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: with an idea that if something comes along that they 691 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 4: find attractive, there's no re to kind of shut that off. 692 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 4: So I would just conversations I've had around this make 693 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 4: me think the approach to this could be a little 694 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 4: more in a different lane perhaps than what we heard 695 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 4: him say at the podium on Tuesday. 696 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 3: Fair enough, the I guess, I mean, the cousin's name 697 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 3: has come up, and it's not one I think that 698 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: inspires a lot of Vikings fans because of a feeling 699 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: of Okay, we've kind of been there, done that, But 700 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 3: I don't know that it can be ruled out among 701 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 3: the realistic possibilities. I have no idea what his expectations are, 702 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 3: what other options he's going to have. 703 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, But he may end up being in 704 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: the mix, don't you think. 705 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's certainly possible. And you know, you 706 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 4: have to figure out. Okay, he's going to be thirty 707 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 4: eight years old in August. How healthy is he? I mean, 708 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 4: he played well at the end of the season. How 709 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 4: far can you realistically go if he's back charge. But 710 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 4: he knows the offense better than anybody. It certainly has 711 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 4: the relationship with Kevin O'Connell that they would want. And 712 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 4: it's the weird part about it is he would basically 713 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 4: be coming back to do the thing that led him 714 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 4: to leave a couple of years ago when they said 715 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 4: we want to draft your replacement and have you come in. 716 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: But I guess the piece of this that is different 717 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 4: is and I thought it was interesting when Quasiodopha Mensa 718 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 4: talked about this. I asked him about it the other day. 719 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 4: The messaging they're going to send to veteran quarterbacks may 720 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 4: look different than what they did last year. I mean, 721 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 4: kirk Cousins left because they said we're going to draft 722 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 4: the replacement. Daniel Jones left in part because they said, yeah, 723 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 4: we want to see the kid play. I wonder if 724 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 4: they will sell this job differently to veteran players than 725 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 4: they did. And veteran players are certainly going to size 726 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 4: it up and say how realistic is my chance to 727 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 4: win this job or how much is it just I'm 728 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 4: going to probably end up pulling a clipboard. I think 729 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 4: a lot of the assessments that come from those veteran 730 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 4: players will be on that basis. She said, it's a 731 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 4: lot of what the conversations are about. So if kirk 732 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 4: Cousins felt like, well, okay, there's a lot of familiarity here. 733 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 4: I know the receivers I've been throwing, I'd be throwing too. 734 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 4: I know the offensive lineman. I've had a lot of 735 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 4: success with Justin Jefferson, i know the offense. I'm close 736 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 4: with the coach. All of those things. I don't think 737 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 4: he would look at it and say, well, I'm not 738 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 4: going to be guaranteed the starting job, so I'm gonna, 739 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 4: you know, cross this off my list. I think there 740 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 4: was an interest in it last year, and I certainly 741 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 4: think it's It's not a name I would cross off 742 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 4: the list, you know. I know people are gonna have 743 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 4: different reactions to that, but it's at this point not 744 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 4: a name I would say. There's no chance of that happening. 745 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the name a couple of Texters have 746 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 3: mentioned again, Malik Willis. I would be interested in pursuing him, 747 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 3: I think is an option, But I tend to think 748 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: the way this league is set up now, there's going 749 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 3: to be a team or two that is willing to 750 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 3: flat out project him as their starter. They're going to 751 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 3: make that leap, in which case I think it's more 752 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 3: likely he'd be willing to go to that place where 753 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 3: there's no question we're bringing you in to be the 754 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 3: number one quarterback. And I think as long as JJ 755 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 3: is still here and he's still relatively young, there's no 756 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 3: reason for the Vikings to give up on him yet. 757 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 3: Certainly and that other but if you have options, you're 758 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 3: going to kind of maybe move away from here for 759 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 3: that very reason. Don't you think if you have other 760 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 3: possibilities where it's more obvious or likely that you're going 761 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 3: to be the starter, you may think, deep down, well, 762 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 3: they may tell me I can be for the job, 763 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 3: but they really want JJ to be the guy. 764 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's probably right. I mean, you know, 765 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 4: every quarterback that you encounter, you're going to have probably 766 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 4: a different conversation in terms of how much you're promising them. 767 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 4: And I think that conversation probably looks different for a 768 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 4: guy that has more experience or more pedigree than Malik 769 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 4: Bullets does. I think you're probably, in his case, still 770 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 4: looking at something where you'd want to have a few 771 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 4: more assurances that there's not other competition in the building, 772 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 4: because I don't know that he's going to walk in 773 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 4: and have somebody say, even if we have another option 774 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 4: that we've drafted highly, you are one hundred percent the guy. 775 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, every team is going 776 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 4: to come to a different conclusion on that, and there's 777 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 4: probably a little bit of a flighting scale that gets 778 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 4: applied to this. But yeah, I think for him this 779 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 4: would be it'd be an attractive fit for a lot 780 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 4: of the obvious reasons that you're throwing to Justin Jefferson 781 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 4: playing in a familiar offense. It's very similar to what 782 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 4: Matt lafor runs and all of those things. But the 783 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 4: calculus about am I going to be the starter absolutely 784 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 4: will play into it for him, as it will for 785 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 4: a lot of these guys. And I think the answer 786 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 4: to that question he I mean, that would come down 787 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 4: to a conversation with the Vikings, But I think a 788 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 4: lot of it will hinge on that because this is 789 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 4: his chance to kind of reboot his career and get 790 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 4: paid and maybe be that next quarterback that needed to 791 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 4: kind of flame out the one place and go back 792 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 4: somewhere else and restart things and get another chance. So yeah, 793 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 4: I think as he looks at this is a big 794 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 4: opportunity for him, I think his opportunity in each team 795 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 4: is going to have a lot to do with where 796 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 4: he signs. 797 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: Thank you, have a wonderful weekend. We'll let chat next week. 798 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 4: All right, sounds good? 799 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 3: Thanks Dan Ben Gestling Standard Heating and air Conditioning, fine 800 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: sponsor of the Guestling segments all season long. We expect 801 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 3: to visit with Lavelle or Scooter E. Neil the Third 802 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 3: at five point thirty. More on that later. 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