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Speaker 3: How we're going to start. Let's do it then, Bab.

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Speaker 4: You're saying you want to have a Friday Football Frenzy

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Speaker 3: I don't want to work, told Austin before the show today.

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Speaker 4: Let's just have some fun. There's a note in this office.

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Speaker 4: It says this is supposed to be fun. Have fun.

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Now, it would be fun to just.

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Speaker 4: Go for three hours, but it's also fun to include others.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Goldsmith will join us at one o'clock. Tom Gallardo

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Speaker 3: Tommy G.

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Speaker 4: Austin gets to do something tomorrow night that I think

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Speaker 4: many in the broadcast world would envy. He gets to

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Speaker 4: call a winner go home game match at TQL Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, home game season on the line against a

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Speaker 4: bitter ride hell Is Real Columbus Cincinnati tomorrow Winter Advance

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Speaker 4: as loser goes home. We'll talk to Tom Gletter about that.

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Speaker 4: In our number three. We also have our weekly pick

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Speaker 4: them segment with high school football in the playoffs. We've

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Speaker 4: got round two of the playoffs. We'll dive into that.

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Speaker 4: here in our number one. And it's got to be

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Speaker 4: and third hour. We'll take some phone calls five to one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 4: fifteen thirty. Let's get to the top sports stories happening

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Speaker 4: right now around the sports world. Let's start here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Last night, Austin Xavier winners in a tight one. I

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Speaker 4: think Xavier went off is a twenty two and a

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Speaker 4: made that one interesting. Xavier wins it seventy four sixty nine.

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Speaker 4: Richard Patino earlier in the week said something along the

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Speaker 4: lines of get comfortable in the uncomfortable. You're gonna be

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Speaker 4: playing a lot of close games this year. Xavier has

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Speaker 4: played two already. Now, Xavier is gonna keep getting better.

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Speaker 4: They will keep improving under Richard Patino. So get him

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Speaker 4: now if you can. But last night some good things

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Speaker 4: But what I saw as well last night, Austin is

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Speaker 4: a team that's going to continue to get better. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, we here in Cincinnati are extremely spoiled

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Speaker 4: that Xavier game on the radio with Byron and Joe

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Speaker 4: good friend Steve Wolf were on the call.

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Speaker 3: That's right, both friends of the show.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how cool is that locally you want to

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Speaker 4: the game's going on. There's also this remember this name,

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Speaker 4: Austen Mark this down. October seventh, twenty twenty five. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna give you the name Nate Champion. Nate Champion is

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Speaker 4: the Lemoine Dolphins men's basketball head coach. He has been

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Speaker 4: Any guess how old Nate Champion is.

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Speaker 5: He's been there for six years. I'm gonna say forty

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Speaker 5: thirty three, thirty three Nate Champion. Ok Nate watching that

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Speaker 4: Offense scored seventy four points, he said, B minus. They

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Speaker 4: the Muskies last night, I mean as as a whole.

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Speaker 4: I thought shot way too many threes. Are gonna have

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Speaker 4: They have found ways to win two tight ones. The

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Speaker 4: schedule's only going to get harder. We understand that, especially

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Speaker 3: That's fun, man, that's fun to say.

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Speaker 4: In a Top twenty five matchup tonight. Blue bloods in

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Speaker 4: Surprised, I think is an understatement Austin to read this

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Speaker 5: It's just the thing is like there's there's nothing really

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Speaker 5: And I don't know that you're going to get a

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Speaker 4: Sticking to the college world, how about Kentucky quarterback Zach Calzada.

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Speaker 4: If you're not familiar with Zach, Zach is the Kentucky quarterback.

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Speaker 4: second video of Zach just sorting through one hundred dollars bills. Garrett, Garrett,

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Speaker 4: just ill advised, bad look all around. MLB qualifying offers

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Speaker 4: number one. Good news for Jaden Daniels of the Washington Commanders,

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Speaker 3: He will not require surgery.

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Speaker 4: some point. Antonio Brown was arrested on an attempted murder

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Speaker 5: Honest to god, I have not followed along with him

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Speaker 5: he's been doing. If you look up my muted words

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Speaker 5: and blocked accounts anything, Antonio Brown is one of them.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of that dude, and even more

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Speaker 5: reason not to be with this alleged this allegation now,

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Speaker 5: You brought this up to me before the show today,

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Speaker 3: Not anybody can be beautiful. Joe Burrow cannot. Joe, No,

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Speaker 9: I think it would be crazy for the Bengals to

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Speaker 9: He's ended three seasons on ir If you're able to

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Speaker 3: Coach chefs to go. We're just talking.

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Speaker 3: If I were Joe Burrow, I would want out of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Alexa, what's going on in the NFL?

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Speaker 13: to Anderson. He gurl to the elbow, rises up for

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Speaker 3: It's no good. Bar Vicar with the rebound thows.

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Speaker 13: It outside the messina more bluff to three. Didn't take it,

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Speaker 13: We'll give it up the Carol left side of the Ford.

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Speaker 13: Anderson he attacks and.

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Speaker 3: Goes for the dunk and the guard gets the duck.

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Speaker 13: Anderson at sixty three, rises in and a drive from

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Speaker 3: That's a two hand slam. Xavier lead sixty three fifty five.

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Speaker 4: That's how it sounded from Joe Sunderman. Last night, Xavier

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Speaker 4: seventy four sixty nine winners over Lemoine the Dolphins. The

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Speaker 4: Lamoinne Dolphins came into the sid TOAs center put up

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Speaker 4: a good fight. Xavier moved to two and zero. Richard

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Speaker 4: Patino tweeted out grades. You can go find them, but

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Speaker 4: let's get back to the business at hand, Austin. It's

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Speaker 4: the audio we played from first take right before we

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Speaker 4: went to break Greeney, a Jets fan getting bombarded in

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Speaker 4: his group, chats about man Joe Burrow is the guy

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Speaker 4: that we want as Jets fans and right away. Dan

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Speaker 4: Orlofski says, nah, that's not happening. Andrew Hawkins points out

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Speaker 4: he's finished the season on IR a couple times if

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Speaker 4: you look back and what you can recoup from a

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Speaker 4: trade like that, not saying they'll do it. And then

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Speaker 4: there's the Joe Burrow factor of what Joe would want

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Speaker 4: at the root of all this, and out of Schefter

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Speaker 4: made some good points. It's an arms race in the

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Speaker 4: NFL where it feels like now more than ever, anyone

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Speaker 4: can be had. The Jets have five future first round picks,

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Speaker 4: the Rams have two, the Browns have a bike. There

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Speaker 4: are teams that are stockpiling picks for a reason. But

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Speaker 4: it's something that Schefter said that makes me think that

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Speaker 4: this would never ever be a possibility, even if you're

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Speaker 4: one of those out there that think, yes, the value

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Speaker 4: is too high to pass up for multiple first round

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Speaker 4: picks for a quarterback that has had injury problems. Schefty said,

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Speaker 4: it's a league where teams always need a quarterback and

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Speaker 4: if you are one of the few teams who has

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Speaker 4: their answer at quarterback. The Bills are a team like that,

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Speaker 4: The Chiefs are a team like that, The Bengals are

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Speaker 4: a team like that, you could probably go through a

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Speaker 4: handful of others. Drake May and the Patriots have that.

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Speaker 4: You you can't move on from one of the best

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Speaker 4: in the league in a league that's going to go

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Speaker 4: as the quarterback goes. But with that being said, Austin,

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Speaker 4: that's a very interesting conversation, and it's a bye week

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Speaker 4: conversation because there's just not as much out there. But

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Speaker 4: that's an interesting conversation, an interesting topic when it comes

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Speaker 4: to these teams that are stockpiling these picks that are

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Speaker 4: going to be quarterback needy and probably willing to give

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Speaker 4: up an arm and a leg for them.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I don't think that anyone is gettable.

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen's not gettable. Patrick Mahomes is not gettable. Lamar

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Speaker 5: Jackson is not getting. The value that comes with those

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Speaker 5: guys to their franchises is immeasurable, and it doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: if you offer them five first round picks or not.

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Speaker 5: Those guys are not attainable.

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Speaker 4: Where Josh Allen was fed up with Buffalo and what

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Speaker 4: they were putting together and constantly falling short, and Josh

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Speaker 4: was like, I am done, I want out. I want

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Speaker 4: to go somewhere else. If you're Buffalo, would you oblige? No,

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Speaker 4: you're here, Yeah, you're the guy exactly.

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Speaker 5: We're building our franchise around you, and we'll try to

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Speaker 5: figure out a way to do this together. That should

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Speaker 5: be the mentality of the Bengals. They are not going

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Speaker 5: to trade Joe Burrow. They should not trade Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 5: The reason this conversation happens is because people in the

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Speaker 5: national media know the way the Bengals operate. So if

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Speaker 5: you look on social media right now, all you will

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Speaker 5: see is a constant berating of Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn,

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Speaker 5: Troy Blackburn, and the entire family. They are the recipients

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Speaker 5: of all the criticism from Bengals fans and fans across

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Speaker 5: the NFL because there is a fundamental disagreement with the

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Speaker 5: philosophy and the belief in the way that the Brown

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Speaker 5: family operates the organization. So they take a lot of arrows,

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Speaker 5: they take a lot of criticism. The national media never

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Speaker 5: criticizes the ownership group. But there's another way to do that.

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Speaker 5: It's by talking about stories like this. This is not

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Speaker 5: a story about, Oh, the Jets want a quarterback. This

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Speaker 5: is a conversation aimed at Hey, the Bengals don't do

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Speaker 5: things well enough to keep a quarterback like Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 5: And as you mentioned in the last segment, there is

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Speaker 5: history to go off of with Carson Palmer and with

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Speaker 5: Andy Dalton. And the thing that the Bengals have to understand,

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Speaker 5: Mike and Katie and Duke and Troy and Zach and

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Speaker 5: everybody at that organization is that if they screw up

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Speaker 5: the Joe Burrow thing, there will be fans that leave

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Speaker 5: and never come back because it will be the third

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Speaker 5: strike and people will be out. It could be the

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Speaker 5: fifth strike. If you consider Ken Anderson and boomerasiazin. Those

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Speaker 5: guys got to Super Bowls, those guys won MVPs. There

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Speaker 5: were some good teams on that those guys played for

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Speaker 5: as well. But if again, in today's modern era of

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Speaker 5: the NFL, you've had three franchise quarterbacks that once you've

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Speaker 5: given them the contracts they deserve, and contracts that, by

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Speaker 5: the way, are not hamstringing your ability to build a franchise. Sure,

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Speaker 5: because there is precedent across the National Football League for

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Speaker 5: once you pay your quarterback, here's how you can shift

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Speaker 5: and operate and don't build a competitive team. So these

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Speaker 5: stories to me, are not about Joe Burrow wants out,

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Speaker 5: or the Jets want Joe Burrow, or this, that and

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Speaker 5: the other. It's my opinion that this is a national

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Speaker 5: media way and a conversation specifically somebody like Adam Schefter

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Speaker 5: might bring up it is that they believe the Bengals

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Speaker 5: ownership group is so incompetent that this is actually a possibility,

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Speaker 5: and this is their way of criticizing them. Now, Bengals

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Speaker 5: fans will then get really mad at the national media

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Speaker 5: for bringing up this conversation when in reality you're both

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Speaker 5: doing the same thing. Fans are doing it directly, the

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Speaker 5: national media might be doing it indirectly. The point of

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Speaker 5: the matter is there is a disconnect that the Bengals

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Speaker 5: have when it comes to being able to build around

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Speaker 5: a franchise quarterback. And because of the history of that,

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Speaker 5: this is not an astronomically out of the out of

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Speaker 5: possibility conversation. We saw it happen with Carson Palmer, and

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Speaker 5: Carson did get to that point where after he was

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Speaker 5: in screaming matches, as he said, with Mike Brown about

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Speaker 5: trying to build the organization, they went their separate ways.

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Speaker 5: Carson walked away from football and had no problem with that,

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Speaker 5: and I have again it's been one of the many

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Speaker 5: I've said this a thousand times since I've had the

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Speaker 5: chance to be on the air. Here, Carson Palmer was right,

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Speaker 5: and Bengals fans should applaud Carson Palmer because what he

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Speaker 5: did was demand an aggressive pursuit of a championship, and

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Speaker 5: they didn't see things the same way. Mike's vision on

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Speaker 5: an aggressive pursuit of a championship is different than Carson's,

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Speaker 5: and Mike has changed over the years. Andy Dalton was

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Speaker 5: never really that guy, and their best season in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 5: they could have won the Super Bowl, but Andy got

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Speaker 5: hurt and things fell apart in that playoff game and

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Speaker 5: they were never the same again.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 5: I think it would be foolish for the Bengals to

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Speaker 5: move on from Joe Burrow. I don't think the Jets

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Speaker 5: have any any reason, or any possibility, or any likelihood

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Speaker 5: whatsoever of actually trying to acquire him, and I don't

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Speaker 5: think the Bengals would ever do it because those people,

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Speaker 5: the Brown family, the Blackgirn family, they are not stupid people.

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Speaker 5: They understand Joe Burrow and his impact here, which is

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Speaker 5: why the pressure should be on for them internally to

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Speaker 5: figure this out and not let it get to a

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Speaker 5: point of a Carson Palmer and a guy who is

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Speaker 5: so angry that he wants to walk away or throw

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Speaker 5: this organization under the bus. And if you're Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 5: why wouldn't you want to be here? They've drafted your

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Speaker 5: best friend, They've done everything you've asked them to do

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Speaker 5: over the last twelve months. You've done your part. Now

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Speaker 5: it's up to them. And how long of a lease

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Speaker 5: did they get in his mind? I don't know, but

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Speaker 5: this offense, I mean, where else would you want to play?

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Speaker 3: Right? Do you want to go play? And in uh?

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Speaker 5: One of these teams with no weapons whatsoever, with no

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Speaker 5: offensive line?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the only way it becomes more of a

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Speaker 4: talking point is if Burrow's anger with the organization becomes insurmountable.

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Speaker 4: If they don't fix what has hampered this team, the

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Speaker 4: offensive line and the defense. At some point, you have

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Speaker 4: to fix it and take steps to do so, or

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is gonna sit back there and say, well,

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Speaker 4: what are we doing?

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Speaker 5: And I don't think I don't think Joe's foolish. I

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Speaker 5: think Joe understands that there has been an effort to

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Speaker 5: do that. Like obviously, it hasn't worked.

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Speaker 3: He is one of the most competitive people you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 5: Yes he is. He just wants to win, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: But he also he understands and that in the last

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Speaker 5: four drafts they've used three first round picks, four second

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Speaker 5: round picks, and three third round picks on defensive players.

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Speaker 5: He understands that. He sees that they fired lou Ana Rumo,

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Speaker 5: they fired James Betcher, they fired Marion Hobby, they fired

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Speaker 5: multiple offensive line coaches since Joe has been here. I

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Speaker 5: understand he's got to understand that they are at least trying.

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Speaker 3: They have invested heavily in the offensive line.

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Speaker 6: He has to.

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Speaker 4: Understand that trying in the product working, no doubt, And

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Speaker 4: that's the issue of frustration. That's where it has to

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Speaker 4: get to, Okay, where Joe is going to start questioning

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Speaker 4: the process. It's one thing to question the process. It's

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Speaker 4: another thing if the process isn't happening at all. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's where we get The lines are blurred

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Speaker 4: sometimes because you think the Bengals they're not even trying.

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Speaker 4: I believe they're trying.

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Speaker 5: I strongly feel like they're trying, but they're failing in

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Speaker 5: their execution, and that has to change my question.

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Speaker 4: Let's say it's three first round picks. How many quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: in the league are safe and untouchable? From that, Josh

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Speaker 4: Allen Drake may.

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Speaker 3: Too early to tell.

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Speaker 4: Like if New England right now got three first for Drake,

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Speaker 4: may you say no, yeah, right now? I think it's

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Speaker 4: too early to tell. Joe Burrows untouchable. Lamar Jackson is untouchable.

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is untouchable, like Trevor Lawrence is not untouchable

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Speaker 4: in Jacksonville. No, I don't know if bo Nix is untouchable.

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Speaker 4: Is Justin Herbert untouchable?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Like you call up the Chargers and you say, here

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Speaker 4: are three first round picks we want Justin Herbert? I

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Speaker 4: think because I feel like he's right on the border. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's on the border. I think he is with Harball.

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Speaker 5: If something happens to Harball, or if you know that

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Speaker 5: that doesn't work out over the next year or so

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Speaker 5: for whatever reason.

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Speaker 3: Then maybe he is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think the Chargers are all in on

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Speaker 5: the current plan with Harball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The the records after paying Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton and

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow have been an issue. They have not been

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Speaker 4: able to put together a winning team since then. They

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Speaker 4: have to fix that or conversations, as Austin mentioned, like

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Speaker 4: these will continue to happen, not because it's plausible, but

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Speaker 4: because of the franchise and if it ever got to

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Speaker 4: a point where Joe Burrow said, hey, I need out

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Speaker 4: at the core of it, I appreciate the effort and

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Speaker 4: how I've been taken care of, but the most important

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Speaker 4: thing to me is winning Super Bowls. Joe Burrow has

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Speaker 4: said that if you're not putting together a team that

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Speaker 4: can win Super Bowls, then you are running the risk

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Speaker 4: of something like that becoming at least plausible.

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Speaker 5: The last two times this has happened, the Bengals have

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Speaker 5: been able to point the finger at somebody else. They somehow,

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Speaker 5: some way made Carson Palmer out to be the bad guy.

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Speaker 5: I fundamentally disagree with that. Carson was in the right,

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Speaker 5: but the Bengals got to pass because Carson got painted

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Speaker 5: as the bad guy.

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Speaker 3: Andy.

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Speaker 5: You can blame the injuries, you can blame Marvin kind

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Speaker 5: of as the scapegoat. I think they did a wonderful

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Speaker 5: job building around Andy Dalton, especially leading up to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 5: He gets hurt. It wasn't the same. Andy was never

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Speaker 5: the best quarterback in the NFL, but they were capable

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Speaker 5: in that twenty fifteen season. And then it fell apart

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Speaker 5: again and you kind of blame Marvin, you kind of

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Speaker 5: blame the lunatics and that night in Pittsburgh and Andy

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Speaker 5: was hurt anyways against Pittsburgh, so he doesn't get the blame.

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Speaker 5: They don't get the blame. Somebody else gets the blame. Well,

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Speaker 5: now there is nobody else left to blame.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Now you might point it, and this is I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you how people are going to try to spin it.

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow gets hurt all the time, Joe Burrow's injury prone.

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Speaker 5: That we already hear that it was impossible to build

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Speaker 5: around it because his contract was too much. Those are

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Speaker 5: the narratives that people are going to try to spend

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Speaker 5: when in reality it's that what I just said, the

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Speaker 5: Bengals invested a ton of money in draft capital in

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Speaker 5: a defense and screwed it up. There will have nobody

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Speaker 5: left to blame but themselves. If we get to the

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Speaker 5: end of the Borough era three or four five years

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Speaker 5: from now and there is not at least some at

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Speaker 5: least another Super Bowl appearance or at least in some way,

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Speaker 5: shape or form, repairing this franchise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to take a break. Let's try to

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Speaker 4: get a phone call or too before the top of

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Speaker 4: the hour. That happens next. Your reactions leave us a

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Speaker 4: reaction on your talk back today as well what you

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Speaker 4: make about the conversation on first take around Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: and more TESPN FI teen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. You

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Speaker 3: Chiley, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: It is the Friday Football Frenzy on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station. We have a few minutes before we

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Speaker 4: get to Charlie Goldsmith's and we'll try to get a

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Speaker 4: call or two in.

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Speaker 3: John was the first to call. What's up? John?

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Speaker 14: The Noon Fellows on five weeks great good afternoons. They're

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Speaker 14: awesome to hear about. I just want to come in

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Speaker 14: from the periphery a little bit here. Obviously got two

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Speaker 14: thousand miles away. But this morning, Albert Breer, who is

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Speaker 14: the chief content creator for a Monday Morning Quarterback and

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Speaker 14: as an Ohio State Guy was on the local station

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Speaker 14: from seven to eight. He was talking about if the

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Speaker 14: Bengals getting in the playoffs at nine to eight is

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Speaker 14: the seventh seed and Bob's back, and it almost seems

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Speaker 14: like he knows something is if he's coming back sooner

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Speaker 14: and that there's still alive. I'm not sure I do

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Speaker 14: want to see him play again this season, because even

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Speaker 14: if they're out of it, if he doesn't play again

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Speaker 14: the season, he would have played five quarters in about

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Speaker 14: a twenty.

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Speaker 3: Month period, sure, which is never good for a quarter.

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Speaker 3: Tony you know that position a lot better.

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Speaker 14: I think we should, yeah, got to get him back

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Speaker 14: out there, you know, just to see how he's doing.

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Speaker 14: As far as the other thing, I think he is

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Speaker 14: so calculating as a player that if he is looking

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Speaker 14: to move on, he's probably looking at the landscape and

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Speaker 14: like the Jets would be like a no go, Like

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Speaker 14: I wouldn't want to play for the Jets no matter what.

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Speaker 14: But obviously the Rams will be a place where he

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Speaker 14: might look to go. Sean McVay better for his.

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Speaker 3: Brand, that type of thing.

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Speaker 14: But he does seem a little bit different than Cruston

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Speaker 14: Palmer in the sense that he really is committed to Cincinnati, wants.

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Speaker 11: To win there.

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Speaker 14: And I'm asking you guys this because you're from there.

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Speaker 14: He's the most popular player in the history of this franchise. Correct, No, none.

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Speaker 3: Every close.

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Speaker 4: He's the best quarterback in the history of the franchise,

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Speaker 4: and that's saying something because there's been some really, really

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Speaker 4: good ones.

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Speaker 5: I do think there is a difference in the type

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Speaker 5: of personality between him and Carson. I do think Mike

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Speaker 5: is maybe not the same guy he was, you know,

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Speaker 5: ten fifteen years ago when all this was happening as well.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly, He's probably evolved a little bit. We've seen

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Speaker 14: they spend money, They've put capital into the offensive line,

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Speaker 14: having been right on it, and I still think it

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Speaker 14: goes back to coaching. That's where you can really pay

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Speaker 14: and get the most out of that. But you know,

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Speaker 14: hopefully he doesn't want to move because he just doesn't

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Speaker 14: seem like that kind of guy that wants to quit

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Speaker 14: jump ship. He's pretty out of mean bout wanting to

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Speaker 14: bring a Super Bowl to Cincinnati. As an Ohio guy,

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Speaker 14: I think that means a lot.

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Speaker 4: That's fair, john I appreciate you that. Have a great weekend,

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Speaker 4: Johnny you too. Uh, one more here before we got

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Speaker 4: to get to a break in. Charlie Goldsmith, Dave, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Gots sorry about that. What's up, Dave?

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Speaker 12: Thanks for taking my call. Hey, So I brought this

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Speaker 12: up to me the other day. So I've been a

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Speaker 12: Bengal fan for a long time. I've seen I saw

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Speaker 12: the eighty Super Bowl, I saw the eight eight Super

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Speaker 12: Bowl and since nineteen eighty eight. Okay, there's been one

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Speaker 12: common thread to this whole organization, right, and that's the

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Speaker 12: guy that owns the football team. So everybody can get

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Speaker 12: on the on the wagon of fire zat fire Duke.

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Speaker 12: You know, we've gone through that song and dance and coaches,

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Speaker 12: but the one common thread on this organization is the

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Speaker 12: owner and the ownership group. And until something changes there,

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Speaker 12: this is you're going to be a roller coaster organization.

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Speaker 12: Up for a few years, down for a few years.

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Speaker 12: You know, everybody wants to make a big deal about

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Speaker 12: you know, they didn't do anything at the trade deadline

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Speaker 12: and they didn't surrender the white flag. Well, in my opinion,

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Speaker 12: if they think that they still have a chance, they

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Speaker 12: should have made some deals to improve the defense. They didn't,

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Speaker 12: so that's the wave in the white flag in my opinion. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 12: you know they wanted to trade everybody or not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if they go in at the deadline, you said, okay,

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Speaker 4: they're trying to win, now standing pat, it does send

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Speaker 4: a message that we're just going to keep on with

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Speaker 4: the status quo. And the status quo is what's so

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Speaker 4: frustrating the.

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Speaker 12: Fans, right, I mean it's you know, and you know,

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Speaker 12: I just I go back to the fact, you know,

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Speaker 12: and everybody, you know, I get it. He spent money, yes,

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Speaker 12: but he didn't have a choice but to spend money.

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Speaker 12: He had no choice but to pay Joe Burrow. He

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Speaker 12: had no choice but to pay Jamar Chap because he

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Speaker 12: doesn't pay them. There's sixty five thousand empty seats down

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Speaker 12: there at the stadium that's got his dad's name on it.

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Speaker 3: Dave.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate your phone call, man, Thank you, have a

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Speaker 4: great day.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing, Austin, and I get that it's going

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Speaker 4: to come back to that. I if this was ten

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Speaker 4: years ago, maybe, but I genuinely think at the top

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Speaker 4: of the organization changes have been made from a philosophical

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Speaker 4: standpoint that they are trying.

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Speaker 3: To do more. Yeah, that's undeniab.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about the Ring of Honor, whether you think

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Speaker 4: the Ring of Honor is too late, whatever, they're doing it.

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Speaker 4: They're upgrading the stadium, They've spent more in free agency.

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Speaker 4: They've committed more guaranteed money and contracts than they ever

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Speaker 4: have before. They're adding void years to contracts, like in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, they are trying.

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Speaker 5: They just they've expanded their personnel department at the root

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Speaker 5: of it, they've expanded their football research and their analytics department.

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Speaker 5: Their identification of players and fits for this team and

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Speaker 5: development have just not have not matched correct. They've spent

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Speaker 5: the money, spent the draft picks, they've changed the contracts,

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Speaker 5: they've signed and re signed their big players. I just

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Speaker 5: don't think the decisions at times have been the right

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Speaker 5: ones based on the personnel side.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Goldsmith will join us next on the Friday Football

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