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Speaker 1: WLW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday kind about Chili. Saturday Morning, Well,

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Speaker 1: once again we're national news, the Queen's city, our city,

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Speaker 1: but not for a good reason. Once again, of course,

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Speaker 1: talking about Opening Day in Cincinnati. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a special day in this city, and it is, and

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Speaker 1: it was also on Thursday, but as usual, it's increasingly

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Speaker 1: the case in this city. The whole thing, the festivities

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Speaker 1: were partially ruined by a mob that wanted to act

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Speaker 1: like animals. And I'll say that again, by a mob

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Speaker 1: that wanted to act like animals.

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Speaker 2: And you talk about an age.

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Speaker 1: Range the arrest rage from anywhere from fourteen years of

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Speaker 1: age all the way to fifty. Boy, there was one

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Speaker 1: thing that I watched yesterday on Channel nine.

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Speaker 2: They were all over this particular part of it. There

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Speaker 2: was a fire among some young women that.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm being kind with that phraseology, but it

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Speaker 1: was down by Washington Park and somebody I don't know

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Speaker 1: who it was, videoed the thing and it was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen year old girl.

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Speaker 1: Appeared to be substantially younger than the ones that were

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Speaker 1: beating the hell out of her. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: horrible kicking her. You could see she was being kicked

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Speaker 1: in the face. They had Channel nine that interviewed her aunt.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if she's the caretaker or

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Speaker 1: not who described it, but you know, I'm watching this

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Speaker 1: and this is a bunch of women. I think it

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Speaker 1: was all women, although nowadays men some men, thankfully not many,

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Speaker 1: seem to have no problem whatsoever on whacking the hell

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Speaker 1: out of a woman.

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Speaker 2: But it just exhibit a. If you get a.

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Speaker 1: Chance and you're interested, go to Channel nine and pull

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Speaker 1: that video up again, acting like animals.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what this time. You know, no

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Speaker 2: matter what you say.

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Speaker 1: CPD Cincinnati Police Department, they were ready for this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to talk to Ken kober in just

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him if they he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: tell me, I'm gonna ask him if they had any

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Speaker 1: intelligence that something like this was going down. Because man

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Speaker 1: Captain David Schofeld, who is the dude that was in

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Speaker 1: charge of I guess the being prepared for the response,

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Speaker 1: did a great job. I know that young man. He

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Speaker 1: worked for me in the Prosecutor's office. He's now a

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Speaker 1: police captain and they were ready for it, just like

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Speaker 1: they were a couple of weeks ago on the downtown

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Speaker 1: street shutdown thing.

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Speaker 2: I think people are waking up.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the cops needed to wake up,

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Speaker 1: but they're understanding that what I've been saying for a century.

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Speaker 1: I think that you've got to be aggressive, you got

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Speaker 1: to be appropriately aggressive, and you got to be proactive.

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Speaker 2: And boy, they were.

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Speaker 1: They were proactive on the situation Thursday and that street

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Speaker 1: shutdown thing. So I want to congratulate them and thank

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Speaker 1: them for that, because it's the only way you're going

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Speaker 1: to get on top of these people, you know. And

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Speaker 1: the thing of it is, for this thing on opening day,

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Speaker 1: it happened. It happened all over the city. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just downtown. It wasn't just the banks, you know.

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Speaker 1: I just told you Washington Park where that thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old girl almost got the life beaten out of her.

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Speaker 1: Where Else over the Rhine? I thought I saw something

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Speaker 1: where they shut down over the Rhine at some point

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Speaker 1: in time. I'm going to ask Ken Kobra that too.

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Speaker 1: Fountain Square, and of course the banks, which had to

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Speaker 1: be cleared and closed again. CPD was ready and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people were ready to. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just I think somebody got some pre knowledge of this thing,

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Speaker 1: although I guess anymore, in a situation like this in

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Speaker 1: our city, with the way people are acting, you got

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for anything. Again, like I said, the

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Speaker 1: ages ranged from fourteen years old all the way to

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Speaker 1: fifty years old. And I think the majority of these

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Speaker 1: people the arrests, I think were adults. There were some

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Speaker 1: juveniles involved, obviously a fourteen year old and some other

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Speaker 1: people of the young age like that. But the charges

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Speaker 1: that these people were charged with kind of runs the gamut.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got disorderly conduct, you got assault on

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Speaker 1: a police officer, You've got weapons while intoxicated. Never never

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Speaker 1: a good idea. But in my humble opinion, the ones

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Speaker 1: that are the most serious and the ones that are

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Speaker 1: the most problematic are the assaults on police officers. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I went to the clerk's website last night

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Speaker 1: let you know. There is one defendant, Sheikwuan Jalen Walker

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Speaker 1: is he named? And you know, again I want to

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Speaker 1: make it clear these are charges. At this point, there's

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Speaker 1: been no finding a guilty, but it's public records, so

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of give you an idea what.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this guy, among other charges, charged with assault on

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Speaker 1: a police officer on a complaint a criminal complaint, they

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Speaker 1: always have a spot where you have to put some

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Speaker 1: facts in there other than recite the statutory language. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the charge is, as I said, assault on a police officer.

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Speaker 1: And I'm reading right from the criminal complaint here the

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Speaker 1: defendant struck the back of police officer.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to read the police officer's name.

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Speaker 1: Defendant struck the back of this police officer with a forearm,

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Speaker 1: per victim statement. And I'll tell you he he got

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Speaker 1: a pretty healthy bond. He got one hundred thousand, no

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Speaker 1: ten percent on that one.

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Speaker 2: Some of his other ones he's got. Resisting arrest.

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Speaker 1: The defendant pulled hands, pulled hands and arms away from

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Speaker 1: police officers when told to put his hands behind his back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's another thing. You know you're under arrest. But he

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Speaker 1: continue to fight anyway. Pretty stupid, and that's a misdemeanor

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Speaker 1: of the first degree. His bond on that was twenty

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Speaker 1: five thousand, no ten percent. He's not finished yet. He's

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Speaker 1: got disorderly conduct while intoxicated and facts there, defendant engaged

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Speaker 1: in a fight with Uh, I can't read that, made

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Speaker 1: unreasonable noise in a public place while intoxicated, and finally

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Speaker 1: constructing official business, which is a misdemeanor the second degree,

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Speaker 1: the defendant planning, planeted feet and pulling back, pulling back

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Speaker 1: one officers attempted to escort defendant to the car. So

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Speaker 1: whatever you do, you know, once you're caught, don't cooperate

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Speaker 1: with the cops. Make it even tougher, Make it even tougher.

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Speaker 1: So you know they can make it tougher on you

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Speaker 1: down the road. All right, that's so much for Chikuan Walker.

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Speaker 1: Another guy here, Kendrick Sartor, charged with disorderly conduct facts

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Speaker 1: the defendant punching a civilian in the face in front

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Speaker 1: of police and then fled on foot. Wow, great idea

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Speaker 1: for that. Uh Then a woman I'm presuming h Iona

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Speaker 1: Iyo n Na Fairbanks another one charged with Filoni's assault

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Speaker 1: on a police officer. While attempting to arrest suspect, she

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Speaker 1: purposely scratched off Sir Blank's nose, face and neck, drawing

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Speaker 1: blood after office. Wait a minute, officer also Okay had

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Speaker 1: a cut to his hand and several scrapes, So I

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Speaker 1: mean that's what you're looking at. I mean, those are

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Speaker 1: obviously the most serious charges. The way it works is

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Speaker 1: that the arraignment was yesterday morning, and they The way

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Speaker 1: it works is they'll they have assigned to them a

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Speaker 1: grand jury date. What happens is the case goes to

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Speaker 1: the grand jury. The grand jury is located in the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor's office. It's a prosecutor's tool and nobody's going to

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Speaker 1: deny that. And the grand jury's got the option of

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Speaker 1: indicting for anything they want, or they have the option

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Speaker 1: of not indicting at all, although that's extremely rare, but

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Speaker 1: that could happen. My guess is that these charges come

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Speaker 1: out of grand jury pretty much the way they came in,

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Speaker 1: but again, they can either be worse or lesser than

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Speaker 1: what goes in. Then it's assigned to a judge in

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Speaker 1: the Common Police Court and there is what's called a

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Speaker 1: common please arraignment, and that's another shot at bond. Now

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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to watch these cases, more serious ones. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: watch them to see what happens. They get before a

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Speaker 1: different judge of a different perhaps political persuasion, you might say,

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Speaker 1: and those bonds may be substantially lowered. You just don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I am going to keep an eye on it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The charge is ranged, like I said, all the way

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Speaker 1: from disorderly conduct, which is in the way it's charged

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Speaker 1: here a misdemeanor of the fourth degree and assault on

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Speaker 1: a police officer, which is a felony too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty serious stuff, obviously, and yesterday we had a

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Speaker 1: judge that was ready for this. I'm talking about Judge

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Speaker 1: Brad Greenberg. I've had the privilege and pleasure of practicing

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Speaker 1: before him for a long long time. One of the

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Speaker 1: best judges down there, and Judge Greenberg, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to be talking to Judge Greenberg, I believe at

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Speaker 1: ten thirty. Yeah, ten thirty. But he said high but

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Speaker 1: appropriate bonds. He also did something unusual but in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: completely completely responsible and completely right and proper to do this.

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Speaker 1: He made some comments before while I think he was

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Speaker 1: sentenced or not sentencing, setting bond on the first person,

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Speaker 1: and he said this, could you play that for me?

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Speaker 2: Liam?

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Speaker 4: Surely concerned a lot of people to you guys comments

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Speaker 4: about these cases. Opening Daysincinnati is special, Our tradition and

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Speaker 4: some history are unique. Violence and disorder will not be tolerated.

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Speaker 4: Chaos at public events is dangerous and can spread like wildfire.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to listen to the bond arguments. But

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Speaker 4: of course in this case, it is going to be

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Speaker 4: setting some high bonds on these cases to prevent reoccurrence

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Speaker 4: and restore law in order. So the bond in this

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Speaker 4: case is going to be twenty five thousand secured on

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Speaker 4: the weapon under disability, five thousand secured on the disorder

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Speaker 4: of the content.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's Judge Greenberg, and again we'll hear

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to ask him about his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: setting the bonds and what he did was completely appropriate,

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Speaker 1: very responsible. You know, a judge has an obligation, I think,

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Speaker 1: to let the public no to the extent that ethically

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Speaker 1: he or she did. So we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: him at ten thirty. I'm going to ask him about

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Speaker 1: it and ask him kind of to expound on what

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Speaker 1: he said in court. But getting back to the melee itself,

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Speaker 1: not only CPD involved, but also the Hamilton County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: Office and the Ohio State Patrol, and kudos to them

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Speaker 1: and thanks to them for covering over for CPD minor

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Speaker 1: standing is pretty early on in this thing. They figured

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Speaker 1: out what they had and you know, they asked for

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Speaker 1: that help, and there's nothing wrong with that. And again

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Speaker 1: thanks to those two departments for providing that help.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The mayor, I have to have perival was out of

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Speaker 1: town when this happened, and I want to say this too.

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Speaker 1: He was out of town from what the news reports

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Speaker 1: are spending the spring break with his son or daughter.

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Speaker 1: I think son in college. And guess what, you know,

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Speaker 1: the mayor he's allowed to take a vacation, I mean time.

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Speaker 1: His timing is such that he didn't know that this

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Speaker 1: was going to happen, at least I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: So I think lay off the guy for going out

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Speaker 1: made statements, and it's not my job to defend him,

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Speaker 1: but I just kind of think it's a bum rap

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Speaker 1: there and being with his son instead or daughter. I

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Speaker 1: forget which one it was, but anyway, he said accurately

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Speaker 1: that it's an outrage. And he also said accurately, this

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Speaker 2: And I said this a million times. I'll make it

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Speaker 1: What we have in our downtown Cincinnati is special.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just youth, it was adults too.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know much about her, but boy, I'll

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Speaker 1: What that means I don't know, but I just wonder,

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Speaker 2: We'll be back. Mike Allen, Saturday Midday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to work. I'm ready. You got to

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Speaker 1: You know, before we broke for the news, we were

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Speaker 1: I will take that as probably accurate. Hey, let's get

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Barry. Hey, good morning, Barry. What you

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Speaker 6: Good morning, beautiful day out.

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Speaker 2: There isn't it it is? It is?

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Speaker 6: My question for you is for the last two years

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Speaker 6: at almost every event within the Cincinnati Bypass. We've had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a good question, and it's a

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Speaker 2: But I understand the concern.

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Speaker 6: Going to the No King's rallies today, Right, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, boy, that's going to accomplish a lot,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. That's just what we need now, you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's all performative.

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Speaker 2: They're a joke.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely add nothing to the conversation.

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Speaker 2: You know, their big deal is I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: You know they do this and then they go to

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Speaker 7: Do it, Okay.

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Speaker 6: My comment is another comment is I know it isn't

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Speaker 8: I get that.

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Speaker 6: It's the upper level leadership and the judges who's keeps

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're right, and I think that's one of the

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Speaker 1: And this has always been the case. It's a down

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Speaker 1: They have to know who they're voting for. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: He set some hefty bonds yesterday in arraignment court for

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Speaker 2: Whole difference in the world.

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Speaker 1: You know, I said this about the deal downtown where

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Speaker 6: I wish let's see how to phrase this. About twenty

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Speaker 7: Remember that, yep, I do.

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Speaker 8: That was the dumbest thing we've done.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember that, and I don't remember who was

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you. I think they ought to

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Speaker 1: The reason they took them off because they consider it nonpartisan,

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Speaker 6: That, you know, non partisan, my left shoe exactly exactly.

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Speaker 8: Tell you what, have a nice day and be good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, thank you as always appreciate your comments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. That's a I.

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Speaker 1: Hadn't thought about that for a long time, but he's right.

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Speaker 1: What's the harm in having a political affiliation after your

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Speaker 1: I don't see the harm in it. Maybe somebody can

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Speaker 9: I'm Mike. I'm doing well. Most of what I was

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that they throw up right.

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Speaker 9: But Mike, there's a connection here. Look at this. Would

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Speaker 9: Enough is enough, Mike, this is this stuff has got

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Speaker 9: believe it. You're too smart of a man to defend

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Speaker 9: that guy, Mike. He was out of town on our

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Speaker 8: I remember.

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Speaker 9: He was out of town just like Karen Bay. She

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I understand what you're saying, Louise.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't like to see

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Speaker 3: But that's Mike.

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Speaker 9: He didn't he he had to know it. It's too

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Speaker 9: the last time you knows? Out of town? These leaders

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Speaker 9: are horrible, Mike. We can't. We've got to stop defending

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Speaker 9: these people. This young college girl six months in her

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, because.

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Speaker 9: She was black, there'd be a George Floyd two poorno

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Speaker 9: and I'm sick and tired.

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Speaker 2: Well in Chicago, I am too.

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Speaker 1: You got an idiot mayor who's uh IQ is the

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Speaker 2: I think it's like fifteen. What an idiot?

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Speaker 1: Not one word about that poor young lady who was

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Speaker 2: I mean, she wasn't doing anything wrong at all.

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Speaker 1: This is all, and here's the just stunning part to me,

440
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: all this is all about the Democrats protecting their ged

441
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: beloved illegal aliens. They're more important than that young women's life.

442
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: We got to do.

443
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: Everything we can to bend over backwards to appease those people.

444
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Speaker 2: It makes me sick.

445
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 9: It makes me sick. And the thing is those two

446
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 9: people that got killed Minnesota that now this is they

447
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 9: had to have an excuse to hate Ice because Ice.

448
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 9: So they use the two people that were killed in

449
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Speaker 9: Minnesota to make us hate Ice and those two that's

450
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Speaker 9: another example. If those people had abided by the police orders,

451
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 9: they both be alive. That's always canonizing those people too,

452
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 9: another example of disrespect for law and order, and it

453
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Speaker 9: cost in their lives. All it would take for people

454
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Speaker 9: to abide by the roll of WAW and none of

455
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Speaker 9: this would happen. But they had to have an excuse

456
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Speaker 9: to go to hate Ice always the is not incident

457
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 9: and now they've got to go after all the iceations.

458
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Speaker 2: It's just it angers me. But hey, I appreciate the call.

459
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Speaker 5: I got lot, all right, Mike.

460
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Speaker 9: I'm a little upset, But we have to understand this

461
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 9: and these kids that were involved in this thing Thursday,

462
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 9: their parents have to start being held responsible, just like

463
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 9: they're holding the parents responsible for these mass shootings. Right,

464
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 9: and maybe they don't have two parents, but garnish the

465
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Speaker 9: parents that wage or garnish the darn welfare that.

466
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Speaker 3: We're paying to the parents.

467
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 9: Enough is enough. The parents are responsible here for these

468
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Speaker 9: underage kids.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, Thank you, Louise. You know, I mean, yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: parents are responsible. Big question is can you find them?

471
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm not really saying that too

472
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: much tongue in chic. That's part of the problem. I mean,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, it really is.

474
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

475
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: I got sidetracked a little bit with this whole deal

476
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: with ice and TSA and everything. I'm sitting here watching

477
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: TV during the break here thirdgood Marshall Airport, I believe

478
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, My goodness, they got people wrapped around outside

479
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: of the airport terminal waiting.

480
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Speaker 2: And why are they waiting?

481
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: They are waiting for one reason, and one reason only,

482
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: because the Democrat Party cares more about freaking illegal aliens

483
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: than they care about you or I period, period. And

484
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: if they are supported in that by electing more Democrats,

485
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: we got a problem in this country.

486
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: But hey, I gotta calm down here.

487
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Jason in Hyde Park. Hey, Jason, how

488
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you doing.

489
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Speaker 10: Hey, I'm doing pretty good, Mike, Thanks for taking my call.

490
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Speaker 2: Sure.

491
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Speaker 5: Hey, hey man, I'm kind of upset that I didn't

492
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: come up, but you know, you had me cracking up.

493
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 8: With the whole virus. Rollie. Yeah, I'm kind of mad.

494
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 8: I didn't think of that before.

495
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Speaker 10: You guys did.

496
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: Well a friend, Well that's that's a good friend.

497
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: I'll take credit for it.

498
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Speaker 3: That'll work.

499
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here, you know, I heard Iris's comments

500
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Speaker 5: and it was a whole bunch of blaming white people,

501
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: blaming his zems, blaming, blaming this, blaming that it's always

502
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 5: somebody else's fault. Then you get Scottie Johnson on the air,

503
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 5: and it's the business owner's fault and it's how they

504
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: can do. The business owners are running their businesses and

505
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 5: they got it. It's it's continuously always someone else's fault.

506
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 5: It's nothing but deflect. You get Iris Rollie on here,

507
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: and you know why she has to tell you she's

508
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: a black woman what every time she speaks, because that's

509
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: her shield of getting away from critic because anytime you

510
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 5: want to say, like, hey, I don't think you're doing

511
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: a really good job, it's, oh, well, you're saying.

512
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Speaker 8: That because I'm a black woman.

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00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 5: No, I'm saying it because you're not doing a good job.

514
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

515
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 5: Your skin color means nothing to me. If you're either

516
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 5: doing a good job, or you're not doing a good job,

517
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: and in my opinion, you're not doing a good job.

518
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 5: They continuously sit on here and they're like they want

519
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: to be like, well in hindsight, in hindsight.

520
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 8: So let's take a look at hindsight.

521
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Speaker 5: We've got Coney Island shutting down when they tried to

522
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 5: do the biggest, longest water slide. Most people that go

523
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Speaker 5: down the water slide.

524
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Speaker 7: We've got blue ass.

525
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 5: We got blue ass fireworks running them up. We've got

526
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Speaker 5: King's Island making stipulations on who can be there.

527
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not getting King's Island pants?

528
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Speaker 8: Are you kidding me?

529
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Speaker 5: I mean, let's look at I mean, am I not

530
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 5: a pattern? Is there a pattern here? Anytime it's nice out,

531
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Speaker 5: anytime these kids are out.

532
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Speaker 3: Of school, it's and it's a whole.

533
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 5: So we've got aftab that legit will grab his ankles

534
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 5: for this community, for the that that community, and then

535
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 5: this is how they will pay him when he's on vacation.

536
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: What what mayor is on vacation on opening day? You know,

537
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: were you not walking in that parat?

538
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: No?

539
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: I heard you say family, and I'm catching flat for that.

540
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: But I mean, I just you're not. I believe that.

541
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Speaker 2: I don't care.

542
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: But you know, but here's the thing. I got a

543
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: break for the news, and boy, i'll tell you what.

544
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: You got a lot to say.

545
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: So man, listen, this is my all back.

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Speaker 8: I will call you back, Yes, sir, I'll talk to you.

547
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. Okay, thank you so much.

548
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, it's hard to disagree with just

549
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: about everything that he said. And Iris Rowley, I mean,

550
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I read it. I'll read it again.

551
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: Uh.

552
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: She says a lot of this is self control and

553
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: self responsibility. It wasn't just youth, it was adults too.

554
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: It's disturbing for me as a black woman, and I

555
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: need to have a conversation with my family. Conversation with

556
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: the family, I get, but what is her being a

557
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: black woman and have to do with anything?

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00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't get. Well, I do get it.

559
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: I do get why it's used and abused, but it

560
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: just it makes no sense to me. Hey, listen, we

561
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: got to take a break, but when we get back,

562
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Speaker 1: we are going to continue on this subject by talking

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Speaker 1: to FOP president Ken Kober. Got a lot of questions

564
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: for Ken, and we will talk to him when we

565
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday.

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Speaker 2: Six night Heart Radio Musical Words.

567
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Speaker 1: Streaming though Allen an hour or two of Saturday Midday.

568
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. We've been talking about it.

569
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Speaker 1: All morning and we are going to continue to talk

570
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: about it. That is the disaster that was downtown Cincinnati

571
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: after the Reds Opening day game. Guy was right in

572
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: the middle of it and knows what's going on. Defends

573
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: his members as good as, if not better than, any

574
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: FOP president I've seen it. I've been around forever talking

575
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: of course about Ken Kober, president of Lodge sixty nine,

576
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: Queen City FOP. A.

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Speaker 2: Ken, how you doing.

578
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 7: I'm doing good in my carreer You good?

579
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Speaker 2: Good?

580
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: Hey?

581
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you something. And I've watched it, you know,

582
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: the coverage.

583
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't down there, but man, it sure seems like

584
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: CPD was ready for this. Did you guys have and

585
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: if you can't answer this, I understand, But did you

586
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: get some advance intelligence that something like this might happen?

587
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Or did you just kind of figure it? Probably would?

588
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Speaker 7: I think a lot of it wouldn't really advance intelligence

589
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 7: other than the fact that it was eighty degrees. You know,

590
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 7: there's a couple hundred thousand people downtown. You have adults drinking,

591
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 7: you have kids that are gathering. And it all started

592
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 7: around two thirty three o'clock as the parade was ending

593
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 7: at Washington Park and you had a bunch of young

594
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Speaker 7: kids fighting, and that was like, that was just a

595
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Speaker 7: tip of the iceberg. We knew that this was going

596
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Speaker 7: to go south quick because the weather was beautiful. Sure,

597
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 7: and it just went downhill from there. By seven o'clock,

598
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 7: the game's over. I'm actually leaving the FOP hall and

599
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 7: I hear officer needs assistants come out at vying in

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Speaker 7: Liberty and then they called for more cars and more

601
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 7: cars and more cars to the point where I got

602
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 7: a my vehicle when I drove over there. Sure, by

603
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Speaker 7: the time I got there, I mean the police were there,

604
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 7: they had everything. They got it under control as quickly

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Speaker 7: as they could. But it was just mass chaos, just adults.

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Speaker 7: And these were mainly adults, right, that were at vying

607
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Speaker 7: in Liberty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get fourteen to fifty, that was the age range,

609
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old to fifty years old.

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Speaker 7: Crazy, right, And then of course, you know, then we

611
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Speaker 7: ended up at Government Square and it's the same behavior.

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Speaker 7: People assaulting each other. I mean you've seen some of

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Speaker 7: these videos. I mean the people on the ground just

614
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Speaker 7: kicking them, just a mob of people just stomping people.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 7: And then of course, by about eight o'clock, you know,

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Speaker 7: they they made their way down to the banks, and

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Speaker 7: by then the police had had enough. You know, we

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Speaker 7: had Interim Chief Henny, the assistant chiefs were all there

620
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Speaker 7: and they made the decision, we're done with this, We're

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Speaker 7: gonna shut this down, and they pushed everybody up to

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Speaker 7: Government Square, got them on buses, and by about ten thirty,

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Speaker 7: I would say that that, you know, actual calm was restored.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you it sure looked to me, and

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00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of others, because they've remarked to

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Speaker 1: me that they agree that everybody, as far as law

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Speaker 1: enforcement goes, knew exactly what they were doing, knew exactly

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Speaker 1: how to accomplish it. And you know, it's a bad thing,

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Speaker 1: but it's a thing of beauty to watch CPD in action.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I've had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: to you since that Downtown street takeover. Man, I got

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00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: up and read the accounts of that. I'm just like cheering.

633
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Speaker 1: It was great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you guys were prepared.

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Speaker 1: You guys were appropriately aggressive and proactive. So it sure

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Speaker 1: sounds like you guys got your eyes and ears over

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: open on this stuff.

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00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it just highlights the wonderful work that Cincinnati

640
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 7: Police officers do because you had Swatt and cdrt primarily

641
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 7: dealing with the opening day stuff, but two weeks ago

642
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 7: that street takeover, those were primarily beat officers. It was

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Speaker 7: a Beach supervisor really orchestrated and commanded that entire incident.

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00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 7: He did absolutely fantastic work, and they all worked in

645
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Speaker 7: unison with other resources that we had to be able

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Speaker 7: to bring that to a quick resolution. With relatively minor incidents.

647
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 7: They were trying to create chaos in the city, but

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Speaker 7: we were prepared for it, We addressed it, and we

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Speaker 7: moved on.

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Speaker 2: That was a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 1: I was so happy to see that you had mentioned

652
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Speaker 1: the stuff yesterday happening all over the city. I guess

653
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Speaker 1: over the Rhine Washington Park channelmind can focused on a

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl.

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Speaker 2: Who got the UNI what beaten out of her.

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Speaker 1: And it's not body camera video because I don't think

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Speaker 1: the police were there yet, but just seeing her It

658
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: must have been like close to ten on one, just

659
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: kicking the you know what out of this poor young lady. Again,

660
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: it was right outside Washington Park, you got the banks.

661
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this thing was all over the city, wasn't it.

662
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, didn't some things happen actually outside of the

663
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: downtown area.

664
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the main focus obviously was downtown is

665
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 7: because that's where all of the people were. But we're

666
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 7: seeing this more and more with these young people that

667
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 7: are coming in droves one hundred, two hundred people. When

668
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 7: you get one hundred or two hundred juveniles that are

669
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: unsupervised in the same group together, bad things are going

670
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 7: to happen. And unfortunately, some of these people that are

671
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 7: in these crowds are absolute just act like savages, ye

672
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 7: stomping people in the head. I mean they're they're kicking them,

673
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 7: They're unconscious and they're still kicking them.

674
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

675
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 7: I mean that's type of beavor. It just shows you

676
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 7: in a society like this that there is there's no

677
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 7: self worth and if they don't have self worth, they're

678
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 7: certainly not going to value anybody else and do that. Unfortunately,

679
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 7: it starts at home and parents of these kids aren't

680
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 7: doing enough to keep an eye on their kids, and

681
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 7: they're certainly obviously they're not paying them any attention, because

682
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 7: what are these kids doing. They're going out, they're videotaping this,

683
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 7: and they're putting it on social media. That way they

684
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 7: can get likes and comments, and I guess, you know,

685
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 7: it's some kind of self gratification. You feel good about

686
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 7: themselves because hey, look, we're getting attention because they're clearly

687
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 7: not getting it somewhere else.

688
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: No, they're not.

689
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I would think too that you getting

690
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: parents involved, Well, it goes without saying. You got to

691
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: find the parents in order to do that, and I

692
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: can imagine that's not always automatic that you're able to

693
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: do that. But yeah, again, this thirteen year old, this

694
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: young woman, she could have died. It was like ten

695
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: on one. And I also read too, can and that

696
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: these people, I guess the juveniles, I don't know, maybe

697
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: the adults too.

698
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: They're pepper spraying each other. Is that accurate?

699
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's what was going on. And then of

700
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 7: course then you have somebody that's on the ground being

701
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 7: stomp the police get there, and these crowds were trying

702
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 7: to prevent the police to get in there to be

703
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 7: able to try to render aid and get these people

704
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 7: out of this mob so the fire department can treat them.

705
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 7: You know, they can get information that way with their

706
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 7: suspects that you know, they can make an arrest. But

707
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 7: the crowd was preventing that from happening, purposely preventing it.

708
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that doesn't surprise me. I mean it's a

709
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: shame but typical behavior. I would say osp O, High

710
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: State Patrol and the Sheriff's office were also called for backup.

711
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

712
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, this was not understanding. This is not a matter

713
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 7: of understaffing. I mean, we were adequatelycaffed. You know, we

714
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 7: did have a state patrol, We had the Sheriff's department

715
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 7: there as well to try to manage this. But there

716
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 7: there's not enough cops in this country that would have

717
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 7: been able to control these thousands upon thousands of people

718
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 7: that were down there for nothing other than to create chaos.

719
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 7: You know, the police did exactly what they should have done.

720
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 7: I think they did an absolutely fantastic job considering what

721
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 7: they were dealing with and the fact that there was

722
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 7: minimal use of force, There were minimal injuries. You know,

723
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 7: the people of this city should be thanking the police

724
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 7: for the way that they responded to this.

725
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Behavior, you know what, And it seems like they are.

726
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean even the city administration too. Hopefully they've learned

727
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: their lesson. I'm not going to hold my breath though,

728
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: but one of the videos that I saw, it must

729
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: have been taken from one of the apartments looking down.

730
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I guess is the idea, Ken Cobert to split that crowd,

731
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: and in splitting the crowd, you break them up somewhat,

732
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: because that's what it looked like. And well, I'll tell

733
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: you what it looked like. Everybody knew what the heck

734
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: they were doing.

735
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, this is our civil disturbance response team.

736
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 7: They've trained for things like this. Uh, they know exactly

737
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 7: what they're doing. They all work in concert together to

738
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 7: accomplish their goal, whether it's, you know, to keep one

739
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 7: crowd from getting to another, whether it's to take one

740
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 7: crowd and push them a certain direction. And it's exactly

741
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 7: what they ended up doing, was pushing them all out

742
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 7: of the banks up in the Government Square where they

743
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 7: had buses waiting to get these people out of downtown.

744
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 7: And they said they performed.

745
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: Flawlessly, and you had mentioned too. I heard that it

746
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: was the right hand doesn't know what the left hand

747
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: is doing in that before this, uh the uh Cincinnati

748
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Metro offered free bus rides. It seems like somebody should

749
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: have probably talked to somebody on that one.

750
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: Would you agree?

751
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 7: Well, you know what, I want to say this about Metro.

752
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 7: They have been a fantastic partner of the Cincinnati Plead.

753
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not criticizing them.

754
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand their sentiment. It made complete sense. Let's

755
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 7: let's keep people if we can. If we can get

756
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 7: them on, you know, on buses, that way, they don't

757
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 7: have to drive downtown. It kind of would relieve some congestion.

758
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 7: People don't have to pay the park or they certainly

759
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 7: don't have to pay as much, so that the sentiment

760
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 7: was certainly there. You know what, what I hope that

761
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 7: they look at next year, if they choose to do

762
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 7: this again, is you know, make sure that any juvenile

763
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 7: that gets on the bus as a company by an adult,

764
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 7: you know, because unfortunately, the unintended consequence was you had

765
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 7: kids from all over the city that were just jumping

766
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 7: on a free bus and going down there, and it

767
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 7: was just I mean, it was a disaster waiting to happen.

768
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 7: And of course, you know, we ended up seeing the

769
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 7: fruits of that here later later that night.

770
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: And did I hear you say too that after all

771
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: this happened, the goal was to get these people on buses,

772
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: to get them the hell out of there.

773
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Was that how that worked?

774
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know, because you had to give me down

775
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 7: once they got down to the banks and small Park.

776
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 7: It was primarily juveniles and they knew and they and

777
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 7: they've done this before. We've had incidents like this before,

778
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 7: and the easiest way is to control the crowd, get

779
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 7: them to Government Square where buses are, so can get

780
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 7: on buses and they can get back to their neighborhoods.

781
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 7: And that's how they diffuse these things. And like I said,

782
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 7: they did a phenomenal job in accomplishing that.

783
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: You couldn't agree more.

784
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: You know, I said after that downtown street shutdown that

785
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: the cops did their job in this. They then they

786
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: did it in it I think a spectacular fashion. Now

787
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: let's see if the courts do their job. Judge Greenberg,

788
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: who's going to be on right after you set some

789
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: pretty hefty bonds. But that I think we're more than

790
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: appropriate is this something that that the police, CPD, FOP whatever.

791
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Are they going to watch how these things play out

792
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: in court, because I think if that if there's not

793
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: somebody watching, it's going to revert to the way it was.

794
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: I guess my question is is this something that people

795
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: are going to stay on top of?

796
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know, just like the street racer or the

797
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 7: street takeovers the same way, We've got people that are

798
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 7: monitoring those court.

799
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: You know.

800
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 7: I think it's incredibly important to thank Judge Greenberg, oh yeah,

801
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 7: for recognizing that we have a judge that is for

802
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 7: law in order that he made it clear an arraignment

803
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 7: that he's not going to tolerate this, that these people,

804
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 7: at least while they're in front of him, he is

805
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 7: going to hold them accountable and make sure that the

806
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 7: city the county can stay safe, you know, which, of course,

807
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 7: as we know, is something that.

808
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: The voters voted for.

809
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 7: The judges must consider public safety with issuing bonds, and

810
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 7: Judge Greenberg did that and we were very lucky to

811
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 7: have him on the bench at Hamilton County.

812
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree.

813
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: And by the timing was perfect too, that you know,

814
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: he was going to be on the bench after this

815
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: debacle happened. But you know, thinking about it, the felony

816
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: charges and you had a couple of salts on police

817
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: officers and I think some other felonies.

818
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: You know, you know how it works.

819
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: The way it works is they'll have their common please

820
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: arraignment over in the courthouse and then a judge, mangister

821
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: at whatever, has the opportunity in the defense counsel if

822
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: these uh got some brain waves, is going to ask

823
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: for a reduction bond for his client. I guess the

824
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: thing of it is, I think people have to watch

825
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: it at that level too, because these bonds can be

826
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: changed uh pretty easily by a succeeding judge.

827
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 7: Well yeah, without a doubt. And that's you know, that's

828
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 7: the tricky part about judges in Hamilton County is you

829
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 7: know who are they going to get assigned to because

830
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 7: some mean, you have some judges that are absolutely are

831
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 7: for law and order, and then you have some that

832
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 7: you know, basically are social activists from the bench that

833
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 7: are going to say, well, you know, I don't like bonds,

834
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 7: I'm just going to give them. I'm going to o

835
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 7: are them now. And that's that's not doing this community

836
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 7: any justice whatsoever. No, by not holding these people accountable,

837
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 7: because we know that if you don't hold people accountable,

838
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 7: that behavior is likely going to happen again.

839
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that, Ken, we are out of time.

840
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spending some time with us, though,

841
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: And congratulations to see and osp in the Sheriff's office

842
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: for a job I think, and I think a lot

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: of others think very well done.

844
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 7: No, absolutely, and I appreciate your time. Thanks for having me, Mike.

845
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Ken. You know, and I mean exactly what

846
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: I said with that. You watch it. There's a lot

847
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: of video coverage of it. Those police officers knew exactly

848
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They worked together as a team,

849
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: and they were successful in busting this thing up. I mean,

850
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: they can't do everything, but this crowd control thing. And

851
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that CPD had a separate I

852
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: forget what Ken called it. A crowd control unit that

853
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: trains together, I guess, and I gotta keep coming back

854
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: to it. That shut down that they pulled off a

855
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago on that street takeover thing was

856
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty to watch.

857
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: Now.

858
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: I didn't.

859
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: I lived downtown for a while and I used to

860
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: be able to watch it right out my window. But

861
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it, but I read a lot about it,

862
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: and that is exactly what has to be done. I

863
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: would guess we'll see. I would guess that it's going

864
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: to be a while before these idiots attempt another street

865
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: takeover down there, because CPD was on it quickly fouled

866
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: a lot of charges from what I understand, got a

867
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: lot of vehicles too.

868
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: And you know, we're just going to have to see

869
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: what happens.

870
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: But when I say that you got to continue to

871
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: watch these things in the court system, I mean it,

872
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: and I hope somebody is doing that. My guess is,

873
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going to find out perhaps Signal ninety nine

874
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: is keeping an eye on that. But at any rate,

875
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: speaking of judges, when we get back from the news break,

876
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: we are going to be talking to none other than

877
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Judge Brad Greenberg. He's the one that set the hefty

878
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: bonds yesterday on these cases. Going to talk to the

879
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: judge about his thoughts on it and I guess his

880
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: judicial philosophy in general.

881
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen's seven

882
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: hundred WL.

883
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: Pre voter in your district to hear act Mike Allen

884
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: Saturday midday talking pretty much all morning about the situation

885
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: with opening day. Some people wanted to ruin it. They

886
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: didn't though. People were still there and I think they

887
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: had fun. But you're always going to have people that

888
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: are going to act like idiots, and that was no

889
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: exception yesterday. However, we have a judge in this community

890
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: who gets it. I'm talking about Judge Brad Greenberg of

891
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: the Hamilt County Municipal Court. Judge Greenberg has been on

892
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: the bench for a long time, since two thousand and six.

893
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I think he represents Judicial District five. A lot of

894
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: people don't understand or realize that Hamilton County's divided into

895
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: seven judicial districts. Geographically you run from that district, but

896
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: you are a municipal court judge for the whole county.

897
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: Judge greenberg'ss District five at Sycamore Township, blue Ash, Montgomery,

898
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: and I think Lovelin and as I said, he's been

899
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: a judge since two thousand and six, I've had the

900
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: privilege and pleasure of appearing before him any number of times.

901
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: He has the exact correct demeanor and disposition for municipal

902
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Court judge doesn't say a lot on the bench, but

903
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: everything that he does, he does right and he does

904
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: in a fair manner. Judge, how about that build up?

905
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 10: Mike, thank you, good morning. Thanks for having me on

906
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 10: your show and for those kind words well, and.

907
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: I meant every one of them, Judge, And I think

908
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: you know that yesterday you are the roommate.

909
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: Judge.

910
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you, because I had that duty

911
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: a number of times. When you're driving in to work

912
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: to room may yesterday, did you know that this stuff

913
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: was going to be on your docket or when you

914
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: got in where you were told that.

915
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: How did that work?

916
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 10: I did know that we were going to have some

917
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 10: of these opening day cases on the docket that morning.

918
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I got you. Let me ask you.

919
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: You did something that you rarely see, I think, and

920
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I think everybody does, completely appropriate. I think you were

921
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: setting a bond on the first defendant, and you made

922
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: an announcement to the court and therefore to the public.

923
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: It was covered pretty heavily that Hey, you know it's

924
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: appropriate in these cases. And you made a point to say,

925
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: I am going to listen to the arguments, but you know,

926
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: you let everybody know they're probably going to be some

927
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: high bonds.

928
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: What led you to make that decision?

929
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: And again I reiterate, I think it was absolutely the

930
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: right decision.

931
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 10: Well, I knew that there was going to be a

932
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 10: lot of focus on these cases because how special Opening

933
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 10: Day is in Cincinnati, and so I felt it was

934
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 10: appropriate to to make a statement that this type of

935
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 10: violence and disorder was not going to be tolerated, and

936
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 10: that it's dangerous to have such chaos at a large

937
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 10: public event, and so that I would be setting some

938
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 10: high bonds because of those circumstances, and so I thought

939
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 10: it was important to let everyone know that.

940
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, are you getting any grief in

941
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: any circles for doing it? And again, I know it

942
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: sounded like a broken record. I think it was great.

943
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: I think it was wholly appropriate.

944
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 10: I've had a couple comments on Facebook that someone said

945
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 10: they feel that bond is not meant to punish someone,

946
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 10: and it's not meant to punish these people. It's just

947
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 10: meant to protect public safety and consider all the circumstances

948
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 10: that are before you.

949
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me do this, get this out of

950
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: the way. I think it's important that people hear this though.

951
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: The Ohio Constitution, Article one, section nine has to do

952
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: with bail. I'm just going to read one sentence of it.

953
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: When determining the amount of bail, the court shall and

954
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: that's important. It doesn't say may, It says shall. The

955
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: court shall consider public safety, including the seriousness of the

956
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: offense and the person's criminal record, the likelihood a person

957
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: will return to court, and any other factor the general

958
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: ASSEMBI assembly may prescribe. It's not that I think a

959
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of people think that you can take public safety

960
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: into consideration according to the Wio Constitution, which obviously judges

961
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: have to follow.

962
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: You must. Is that accurate?

963
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 10: That is That's a great point, Mike. It is accurate.

964
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 10: Judges shall consider public safety.

965
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it would be crazy not to.

966
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was sett in bonds like you

967
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: did yesterday, it wasn't even a second thought.

968
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it just was kind of common sense.

969
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: But sometimes, as you well know, in the court system,

970
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: common sense doesn't mean anything.

971
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: Let me ask you.

972
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: I think I read Judge where there are seventeen criminal

973
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: charges all together. I may be wrong, but you didn't

974
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: set bond on all of them, and some of them

975
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: were juvenile cases too, and that would go to juvenile

976
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: were some of those cases where they continued out to

977
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: maybe today with a different judge there, or did you

978
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: set all the bonds yesterday?

979
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 10: I set bonds yesterday in only six cases that ranged

980
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 10: from disorderly conduct up to felonious assault on a police officer.

981
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 10: I was told that there were a couple cases that

982
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 10: were heard by a magistrate yesterday afternoon, and that there

983
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 10: were going to be a couple more cases on later

984
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 10: and then I think juvenile court got a couple of

985
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 10: cases as well.

986
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Okay, and the age range from what I'm reading, it

987
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: ranged from fourteen years of age all the way to

988
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: fifty years of age. And you know I mentioned too, Judge,

989
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't expect you to comment on this unless you

990
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: want to. Channel nine had some really good video of

991
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: a beatdown that occurred right outside of Washington Park. I

992
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: think so thirteen year old young lady was the victim,

993
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: and there looked like at least ten other people just

994
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: pounding the hell out of her, kicking her and those

995
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of things. I don't think that was one that

996
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: you got. But don't you feel that it's appropriate for

997
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: the public to see those things and hear what you

998
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: had to say yesterday. Don't judges your honor have a

999
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 1: duty to kind of inform the public of what's going

1000
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: on in the judicial system. I always thought so.

1001
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 10: I think you're right, judges should let the public know

1002
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 10: what's going on. And these videos on social media helped that.

1003
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 10: But still people don't know all that you details. And

1004
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 10: I brought that up yesterday in Roue that there was

1005
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 10: a police officer that suffered some deep scratch marks to

1006
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 10: his face yep, in the incident, and that was the

1007
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 10: felonious assault on a police officer charge, which is a

1008
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 10: felony of the first degree. And as far as I know,

1009
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 10: that really hasn't been reported too much.

1010
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: No, and I didn't see it either.

1011
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: Yesterday afternoon late got on the clerk's website and was

1012
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: able to pull some cases off and the one that

1013
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: you're referring to is one of them. And you know,

1014
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: it's just the facts at the bottom of the complaint.

1015
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: While attempting to arrest suspects she this was a woman,

1016
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: she purposely scratched the officer's nose, face and neck, drawing blood.

1017
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: Officer also had a cut to his hand and several scrapes.

1018
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: That's felonious assault because the person was a police officer,

1019
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: probably would have been anyway.

1020
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 2: That's what you get.

1021
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean that language and maybe other comments from the prosecutor.

1022
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: As you're making the decision to set bond. Of course

1023
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: you hear from the defendant as well, and you set

1024
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: bond based upon that. Is that accurate?

1025
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 10: That is accurate? And that was the case which I sat.

1026
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 10: The highest bond you did it was about one hundred

1027
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 10: and fifty thousand secured, which means it cannot be posted

1028
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 10: at ten percent.

1029
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: And many bonds, probably most bonds can be posted at

1030
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: ten percent, but you made it clear that that was

1031
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: not a ten percent bond. One hundred ten percent on

1032
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: the felony and twenty five no ten percent on the

1033
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: resisting And there was one more that I can't find,

1034
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: but that person presumably is at the Justice Center where

1035
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: he or she will stay until what they call the

1036
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: felony arrangement over at the courthouse up on the fifth

1037
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: floor that will take place. Judge, it looks like your

1038
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: judge sheet said grand jury report April the sixth, which

1039
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: is a week from monday. At that point, Judge, the

1040
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: magistrate judge whoever is hearing that arraignment, probably a magistrate

1041
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: has the option to change that bond.

1042
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1043
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 8: That is correct?

1044
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: And that happens. I wouldn't say frequently, but it happens.

1045
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't know quite a bit, I suppose. And then

1046
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: of course the judge then after that felony arraignment that

1047
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: we were just talking about, it is assigned to a

1048
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: permanent judge that will hear the case, and that judge

1049
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: also has an opportunity to amend the bond. Is that accurate?

1050
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 10: That is accurate?

1051
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: Okay, do you.

1052
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Think, your honor that your bonds that you set on

1053
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: these cases they're high bonds, They're appropriately high bonds. Do

1054
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: you think that you know, based on I don't know

1055
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: how to say this, but how the courthouse has changed,

1056
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: if you will, do you think your bonds will be

1057
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: left alone or ultimately amended somehow?

1058
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 10: It's hard to predict that it depends on which judge

1059
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 10: the case is ultimately rolled to. And that's why it's

1060
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 10: important that when people vote, they try to learn a

1061
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 10: little bit about the judge that they're voting for and

1062
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 10: their philosophy.

1063
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about that earlier, and I don't think

1064
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: you're up for a couple two three years?

1065
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1066
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 10: That's correct, Not until twenty twenty nine.

1067
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know we were talking about this early.

1068
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: The ballot now does not have a political affiliation for

1069
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: judicial races.

1070
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: That's correct, isn't it correct?

1071
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: But correct?

1072
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 10: It doesn't for municipal or common pleas, but it does

1073
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 10: have an affiliation for Court of Appeals in Ohio Supreme Court.

1074
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well that's typical. I mean to confuse it

1075
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: that way. But wouldn't you think it would make sense

1076
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: to do that because those are down ballot races, if

1077
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: you will. It's not to say they're not important, but

1078
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: they are, you know, all the way down to the

1079
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: end of the ballot. And unfortunately, I don't think people

1080
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: study up on this, but at least people voters would

1081
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: know whether the person's a Democrat or Republican and draw

1082
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: any inference from that that they would. Is there any

1083
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: move a foot to make that happen or the judges

1084
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: just not really worry about that too much.

1085
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 10: I'm not aware of any move a foot to have

1086
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 10: those affiliations on the ballot for municipal court or common

1087
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 10: police court. But I agree with you that in general,

1088
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 10: the more information that a voter has at the time

1089
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 10: that they vote, the better and it helps him make

1090
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 10: a more informed decision.

1091
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope somebody picks up that.

1092
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: Cause going to hold my breath, But that just it

1093
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Speaker 1: just makes sense because you and I both know. I

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Speaker 1: don't expect you to comment, but that the political affiliation of.

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Speaker 2: The judge at the Hamilon County.

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Speaker 1: Courthouse with notable exceptions, that tells you a lot.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know. I just think it would be

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Speaker 2: helpful for voters to do that. Did I lose you, Judge?

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Speaker 10: No, No, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah, something happened on my microphone here, Judge.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all I have. Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: you would like to say in addition to what you

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Speaker 1: said yesterday?

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Speaker 10: No, I agree with what you said earlier before I

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Speaker 10: came on the phone call, that you know, we can't

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Speaker 10: let troublemakers ruin Opening Day. It's such an important day

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Speaker 10: for our community. The traditions and history of Opening Day

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Speaker 10: are they're really unique to Cincinnati, and it's just important

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Speaker 10: once in a while that a judge stands up for

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Speaker 10: law and order and that people know that they come

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Speaker 10: to downtown. That people, the parents are bringing their kids

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Speaker 10: downtown for the game, for the parade, and people should

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Speaker 10: just feel safe when they come downtown.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and kudos to you for doing what you did

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Speaker 1: and also for letting the public know why you did it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are talking about that, Judge, and

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Speaker 1: I think they appreciate it, and I appreciate you calling.

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Speaker 2: In this morning.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on Mike.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, judge.

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Speaker 1: All right, that was Judge Brad Greenberg, in my humble opinion,

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Speaker 1: one of the best judges on that municipal court bench.

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Speaker 1: Been a judge since two thousand and six, and you

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Speaker 1: can't ask for a more fair judge than Judge Brad Greenberg.

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Speaker 1: But he's going to do what he needs to do,

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Speaker 1: and what he did yesterday, in my humble opinion, for

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Speaker 1: whatever it's worth, was absolutely correct and he should be

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Speaker 1: commended for that. Hey, listen, we got to take a

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Speaker 1: break for the news. But when we get back, we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk to the former Vice mayor and

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Speaker 1: former chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati City Council, Christopher Smithman, going to ask him his

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Speaker 1: thoughts on what went down yesterday. We'll do that when

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Speaker 1: we get back Mike Allen. Saturday Midday rewards are guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Hour three,

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Speaker 1: which is a third and final hour of Saturday Midday. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you we've been talking all morning about the melee,

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Speaker 1: if you will, you can call it any number of things,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, but talking about what happened downtown and really

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Speaker 1: in a lot of other spots in the city with

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Speaker 1: respect to people not being able to control themselves. I

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Speaker 1: felt it was appropriate and helpful to get the point

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Speaker 1: of view of the former vice mayor and former chair

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Speaker 1: of the Law and Public Safety Committee of Cincinnati City

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Speaker 1: Council to get his point of view on this. I'm talking,

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Speaker 1: of course, about Christopher Smitheman. Christopher, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on Mike.

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Speaker 7: Wannor to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Hey, just in general, Christopher, your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: what happened yesterday. I don't think you were down there,

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Speaker 1: were you or did you go to the game?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 8: Okay, so let me let me say.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was a vice mayor and chair

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Speaker 3: of Law and Public Safety, this is one of the

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Speaker 3: things that John Cranley, the mayor, and I worked on together.

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Speaker 3: So you know, the prep time on something like this

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Speaker 3: is probably ninety days before opening day. Where we're meeting,

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Speaker 3: we're meeting with command staff, we're meeting with you know,

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Speaker 3: atf FBI stairs, and we're coordinating today and we're in

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Speaker 3: the parade by the way, because we want to participate

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Speaker 3: and be present, okay, because we're welcoming about one hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand guests, and probably ninety of them, Mike, I'm exaggerating

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Speaker 3: a little bit, are from outside of the city, and

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Speaker 3: so it's that kind of you know, the weather is changing.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's knowing, sometimes it's rainy, but we're all so

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Speaker 3: excited about this is all it is. A holiday in

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Speaker 3: the city is in fact, so it's like one of

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Speaker 3: those number one events, and that's very important for me

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Speaker 3: kind of just to lay the groundwork to that because

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Speaker 3: I was shocked to find out that that our mayor

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Speaker 3: wasn't even in town, and so it sends that message

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Speaker 3: that we didn't have leadership there coordinating what was happening.

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Speaker 3: My sense about it is that what we saw happen

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Speaker 3: in Price Hill earlier in the week with the team

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Speaker 3: takeover in Price Hill, where we had to dispatch a

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Speaker 3: lot of officers there to bring that under control. And

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Speaker 3: people might not know what Price Hill Chili is, but

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Speaker 3: it's an iconic, you know restaurant in Price Hill. It's

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Speaker 3: one of those staples there, right, And so you know,

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Speaker 3: having a group of youths show up there jumping on

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Speaker 3: cars weather it's warming up, that would have been brought

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Speaker 3: into that discussion, like, okay, we now need to level

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Speaker 3: up here and make sure we're prepared. I certainly would

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Speaker 3: not have said free bussing into downtown. I certainly wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have said we're going to suspend the curfew and announced

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Speaker 3: it a week earlier, knowing that CPS was on spring break.

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Speaker 3: And I would have also been coordinating with Cincinnati Public,

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Speaker 3: meaning what's going on with your students, what do we

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Speaker 3: need to be concerned about? And we need you guys

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Speaker 3: on call just in case we have a problem. And

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Speaker 3: so this landed in the lap of our police officers,

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Speaker 3: which is really really bad. And so the sense is

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Speaker 3: we've got cultural decline in Americans, and we've got families

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Speaker 3: that are broken, we've got you And I grew up

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Speaker 3: in a time where our parents knew where we were.

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Speaker 3: We had expectations of our behavior and our conduct. If

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Speaker 3: Mike Allen called my house and said, Mom, I saw

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Speaker 3: your mister, missus smith Man, I saw your son down

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Speaker 3: on the on the square acting a food. You know,

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Speaker 3: Mike Allen doesn't have to get to me. I'd rather

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Speaker 3: Mike Allen actually deal with me, because I would not

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Speaker 3: want to face the raft of my mom and my dad.

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Speaker 3: And so the reality of it is, we are that

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Speaker 3: we have parentless homes. We have a Cincinnati public school system,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, where we've had some major breaks. They

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Speaker 3: need to tighten up. And we need to support our cops.

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Speaker 3: Because Mike, you and I talked about this maybe two

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Speaker 3: weeks ago, is that there's a culture. This is so

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Speaker 3: important for your listening audience to appreciate. There is a

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Speaker 3: culture from the top down the mayor, all nine members

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Speaker 3: of council and the administration that they do not support

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Speaker 3: the police. They're anti cop, or they want to reimagine

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Speaker 3: the police, or they have this defund the police mentality.

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Speaker 3: They call it all kinds of things, and they keep

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Speaker 3: like sending this message out that our officers aren't supported.

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Speaker 3: My last point is when I saw that young man

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Speaker 3: run up and jump on the back of that officer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was a deadly situation, Mike Allen, and those officers

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Speaker 3: showed tremendous restraint. Anybody who hasn't seen that video, they

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Speaker 3: can go to my ex page to see it. But

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Speaker 3: the reality of it is that officer could have thought,

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Speaker 3: this guy is trying to grab my weapon. He then

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Speaker 3: draws the weapon, there's a struggle, and now the young

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Speaker 3: man is shot. That easily could have happened. And the

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Speaker 3: sad part about you and I know that that white

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Speaker 3: male officer who was jumped from behind by that young

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Speaker 3: African American male, that we would be having a different

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Speaker 3: discussion today. That officer would have been on the administrative leave.

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Speaker 3: We had all the Democrats a press conferences making very

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Speaker 3: public comments about what they think happened before the investigation

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Speaker 3: was over. Why don't we hear their voices? Now? Where

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Speaker 3: is that moral confidence of our leader of the mayor,

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Speaker 3: nine members of counselor of the administration. I'm saying, I'm

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Speaker 3: not talking about sending out a press release. I'm saying

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Speaker 3: being present, physically standing with your command staff, saying I'd

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Speaker 3: denounced what happened downtown?

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Speaker 2: Yep. I saw that video that you're referring to. It

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Speaker 2: was weird. It's like you said.

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Speaker 1: The guy kind of like ran up to the officer

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Speaker 1: and was in the process, I guess, actually started jumping

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Speaker 1: on him and said, what the heck's this all about?

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Speaker 2: Some other video? Christopher.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you if you saw because it

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Speaker 1: was chilling. This was an incident that, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: and Channel nine was all over this. They've got the video.

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Speaker 1: It happened right outside of Washington Park. Apparently there were

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Speaker 1: some disturbances there. A thirteen year old girl was getting

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Speaker 1: the you know what, kicked out of her. It looked

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Speaker 1: like I didn't count seven or eight, maybe up to

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Speaker 1: ten other and I think they were all women, kicking her,

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Speaker 1: punching her, pulling her hair. It was horrific and just

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Speaker 1: I guess it begs the question, what are we going

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Speaker 1: to do about that? I mean, presumably these people that

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Speaker 1: were hitting her were close in age to her.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was just chilling to me.

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Speaker 2: I guess I.

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Speaker 3: Did see the video, actually posted it on the X.

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Speaker 3: As it kicks to the head, Mike could have killed her.

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Speaker 3: They were that violent people who haven't seen it. That

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Speaker 3: could have been a bad situation where that person could

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Speaker 3: have lost their life. The response should be everybody in

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Speaker 3: the video should be arrested. They should be identified, they

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Speaker 3: should be arrested, they should be arraigned, And I'd like

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Speaker 3: to see them in front of a judge, like a

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Speaker 3: judge Ruman. You know, somebody's not gonna play with them

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Speaker 3: right in order to actually hold them accountable. So you know,

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Speaker 3: our judge dinking Locker. I mean, you know, the reality

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Speaker 3: of it is, we need some strong judges down there

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Speaker 3: to hold these young people accountable. And to your listening audience, Mike,

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Speaker 3: if we were to do that consistently, we would see,

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Speaker 3: as we would see a decrease in the behavior that

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Speaker 3: you and I are talking about, because the word would

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Speaker 3: get out real fast. If you engage in this behavior,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna do some serious time. So everybody in that

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Speaker 3: video should be identified, you know, to the police and

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Speaker 3: the command staff. Everybody should be charged who was beating her,

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Speaker 3: and everybody should be held accountable for it, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I just tell you I love Cincinnati like you do.

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Speaker 3: Our city is on the wrong track. I feel like

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Speaker 3: we're moving in a direction like Chicago, We're really really

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 3: scary here is I will read this to you, which

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 3: just blew me away. A friend of mine wrote this

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Speaker 3: text message, thank god my daughter left before too much

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Speaker 3: of the rioting occurred. I'm really inside myself as a mom.

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Speaker 3: I love Cincinnati. I want my kids to settle here,

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Speaker 3: but how can I encourage that when all of this

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Speaker 3: garbage is occurring. Also, it's never going to end until

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Speaker 3: the crimes are punished. Now, the mom who's every day

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Speaker 3: American lady handling her business, raising her family. And this

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Speaker 3: my point to you, as you and I talked to

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Speaker 3: out that survey, this is an absolute arrow in the

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Speaker 3: heart that is sending a message out to our guests.

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: Why would they want to come downtown after watching something

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Speaker 3: like that? If city Hall and if the and if

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Speaker 3: the man say city Hall, the mayor and members of

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Speaker 3: council can't can't keep them safe. Here's my announcement for you,

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Speaker 3: Mike Allen on your show. I plan to write Governor

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Speaker 3: Mike Deran a personal note. And he's a friend, but

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Speaker 3: he's also public policy here and I'm going to ask

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Speaker 3: him if he will consider without the consent of mayor

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Speaker 3: and without the consent of Council for act if activities

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Speaker 3: like the Octoberfest, activities like the Pride Parade, downtown activities

1305
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 3: like the music festival, will he send in the National Guard.

1306
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 3: We are at a point now where we must make

1307
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: sure that people are safe. If the mayor and members

1308
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 3: of council are unwilling to empower our law enforcement, who

1309
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: are phenomenally trained, we had to bring out Swat, We

1310
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 3: had to bring out every officer out of their home

1311
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: down there to try to bring control. If they're unwilling

1312
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: to do it, it's now time for Mike DeWine, our governor,

1313
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 3: who is responsible for every city in the state of Ohio,

1314
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: every borough, to bring in the National Guard to keep

1315
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: our very large groups of guests that are coming in

1316
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 3: town safe. That is what my announcement is. I'm going

1317
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 3: to continue to say that, and I plan to write

1318
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: Governor Mike DeWine a personal note and ask him it's time, Governor,

1319
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 3: we need to bring in the National Guard for our

1320
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: special events in Cincinnati.

1321
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: That's pretty strong, Christopher, and I couldn't agree with you more.

1322
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see the Governor's response to that.

1323
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, you bring up a point that I've

1324
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: been talking about for a long time. A lot of

1325
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: people that come downtown, probably the majority of that don't

1326
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: live in the city, but we got one incredible downtown.

1327
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: People don't realize that, chrispher I don't think for similar

1328
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: cities of our size don't have anything close to what

1329
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 1: we have as far as the downtown, the banks, over

1330
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: the Rhine, etc. All that stuff is just gonna shrivel

1331
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: up and die if, as you just said, we don't

1332
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: get a handle on what's going on down there. And

1333
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: I'm going to be interested to hear the governor's response

1334
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: to that.

1335
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,919
Speaker 3: Yes, if you ask realtors, who are our greatest marketers

1336
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: in our region, there will tell you that prices of

1337
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: homes for sale in OTR are dropping dramatically really meaning yes,

1338
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 3: meaning I don't know if it's a twenty percent drop.

1339
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if it is a ten percent drop.

1340
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 3: But those homes that would go on the market and

1341
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: sell the next day. Is not just interest rates that

1342
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 3: have gone up this week. It is also this perception

1343
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 3: of being safe. Those families that were living out in

1344
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: our suburbs and say, you know, my children are grown,

1345
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: you know they're all gone I've got this nine hundred

1346
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 3: or million dollar home. I don't want to move out

1347
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 3: in the suburbs. I actually want to move into downtown

1348
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 3: and get a condo downtown. You're seeing more and more

1349
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 3: people say I don't feel safe, and I'm not gonna

1350
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 3: do that. Here's the penicillin to anybody listening. You're gonna

1351
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 3: have to vote differently. You're gonna have to wake up.

1352
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 3: You can't continue to reward the bad behavior. And so

1353
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 3: when you have candidates that are out there running and

1354
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: this mayor got eighty percent of the vote, you've just

1355
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: affirmed him to go on vacation during Opening Day. He

1356
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 3: doesn't care. He's a tenured mayor. He's just in here

1357
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: for his own, you know, self gratification, looking at his

1358
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: next job. Obviously, any mayor that is not in town

1359
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 3: and Cincinnati for Opening Day, that is a derelict of

1360
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 3: their duty period. You've got to be here for Opening Day.

1361
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: You've got to be here for october Fest, you got

1362
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 3: to be here for the music festival downtown. You've got

1363
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: to be here for the for the UH, the Pride

1364
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: parade in downtown. These are things. As the mayor, you

1365
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: have to be here present and not only just president. Dude,

1366
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 3: You've got to be in the event, walking around, talking

1367
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 3: to people. You've got to be coordinating with SWAT who

1368
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: are typically up high checking things out, checking in. You've

1369
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: got to be present. If you're going to be a mayor, dude,

1370
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 3: you've got to be here. It's not one of these

1371
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 3: things you do from fifty thousand feet in the air.

1372
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: This is a mayor that really doesn't want to be

1373
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 3: the mayor, and he's just continued to show us that

1374
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 3: each time my calendar. I'm very critical of him, and

1375
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: I think he deserves it for being out of town

1376
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 3: for this kind of an event, and that it's not

1377
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 3: a mayhem. That was a riots were overrun. They were

1378
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 3: over run, right, and nobody had any care. Our officers

1379
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: easily could have been injured, and more importantly, an officer

1380
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 3: could have drawn their weapon and taken a life. And unfortunately,

1381
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: we then would have had all these leaders who are

1382
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: saying nothing about this right now, they all would be

1383
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: everywhere saying we want justice, we want justice, we want justice. Well,

1384
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 3: I want justice for my city. I'm a black American.

1385
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 3: This was not the best for our city. It didn't

1386
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: make us look good ever, right, and we've got to

1387
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: get control of the crime. And if we don't, which

1388
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: is a basic thing, our guests are not going to

1389
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,919
Speaker 3: continue to come and support us in our downtown.

1390
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 2: No they're not.

1391
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: And well, when that golden goose is killed, then people

1392
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: will understand. And you know, it's just a situation where

1393
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: something has to happen. You are proposing, Christopher Smithman, a

1394
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: drastic action that I didn't think about it until I'm

1395
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: sitting here. You told me about it. It's probably needed.

1396
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it is drastic. However, you can't continue to

1397
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: have this stuff. Number one, most importantly, people will get

1398
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: hurt or perhaps die. And number two, our core urban

1399
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,520
Speaker 1: core will dry up and people won't be coming downtown

1400
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: to shop and will not shop anymore but play, go

1401
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: to dinner and everything like else. It's I think we're

1402
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: at that point where you have to do something draft drastic.

1403
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 3: What what do you think, Mike Allen for if you

1404
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: were a marketer for Procer example, they turn out great

1405
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 3: marketing teams over there with their products, right, and I'm

1406
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 3: saying Cincinnati is a product, it's a brand, right. What

1407
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 3: do you think the mayhem that you described hurt the

1408
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 3: Cincinnati brand right. Just that one incident, well.

1409
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 2: It was it was it was national.

1410
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: News, you know, and we can't have that three four

1411
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: times a year.

1412
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 3: What about Holly who was attacked and pushed in the

1413
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: faith right? But that was that was that was less

1414
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 3: than a year ago. What what happens at our at

1415
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 3: our music festival if something like that occurs. My point

1416
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: to you is that I think we're getting to the point,

1417
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: Mike Allen where we have to put tech the brand

1418
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati. We cannot have at Octoberfest and have a

1419
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 3: mayhem like that at the Octoberfest. I'd rather have the

1420
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 3: National Guard and take the pushback from anybody who said

1421
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,959
Speaker 3: anything about what I'm saying than to have those images

1422
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. That is hurting the

1423
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati and those businesses downtown this summer are

1424
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: gonna suffer because guess what, it's still cold out here,

1425
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: Mike Allen. What do you think is gonna happen when

1426
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: it gets hot?

1427
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 5: Baby?

1428
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's.

1429
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: Gonna happen downtown when it's eighty and ninety degrees right,

1430
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 3: So we better get serious about getting our arms around

1431
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 3: what's happening or what we're seeing the death toll is

1432
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: gonna go up. You see, emergency rooms are gonna be

1433
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: filled with gunshot wounds, and we're gonna have mayhem because

1434
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 3: we don't we don't have a Cincinnati Police department that

1435
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: feels empowered. My last statement is, Cincinnati Police, if you're

1436
01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 3: listening to me, Mike Allen and Christopher Smithman and any

1437
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: others the silent majority, we support you. Yes, please go

1438
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: out there and do proactive policing. We have your back

1439
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: out there. We know that you're going to come across

1440
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 3: situations whereas you're going to have young youth who are

1441
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 3: twelve and thirteen and fourteen years old, who are African American,

1442
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 3: possibly with a weapon on our banks. We support you

1443
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: disarming them and making sure that everybody else around and

1444
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: all of our guests go home safely. We have your back,

1445
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 3: we have your spouse's back, we have your family's back.

1446
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 3: And if we don't have a mayor who's willing to

1447
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 3: say what I just said, guess what, shame on him

1448
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 3: and shame on counsel.

1449
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 7: YEP.

1450
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. Christopher.

1451
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: Unfortunately you're out of time, but please keep me posted

1452
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: on the situation with Governor Dwinan, Perhaps if you're willing,

1453
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: maybe next Saturday we can talk about it.

1454
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: I'll send the note to you. You'll be able to

1455
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 3: chance or read it yourself.

1456
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: Thanks brother, Okay, thanks all right.

1457
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: Christopher Schmithman, former vice mayor, former chair of Law and

1458
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: Public Safety Committee, Well, I'll tell you what.

1459
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that.

1460
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: Christopher and I communicate through the week quite a bit,

1461
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: but not expecting that. But having said that and sit

1462
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: here for a few minutes and thinking about it, I

1463
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea. I don't know that the

1464
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: governor will do it or not, but you don't know

1465
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: unless you ask, And we'll keep you posted on it. Hey,

1466
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: we got to take a break.

1467
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 3: Button.

1468
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: When we get back, we're going to talk about Opening Day,

1469
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: but finally the fun part of Opening Day. We're gonna

1470
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 1: talk to our guy for all Cincinnati Reds stuff, davidye Armbrus.

1471
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: You're going to talk about the opening day game and

1472
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: what's down the road for the Reds. Mike Allen's seven

1473
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: hundred WL time.

1474
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 4: Now.

1475
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 2: Hey, we're back Mike Allen Saturday midday.

1476
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: Tell you we've been talking about Opening Day all morning

1477
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: this morning. Not the fun part of it, though, And

1478
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do now with our guy for

1479
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: all things Cincinnati Reds.

1480
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 2: Dave Yetty Armbruster Yet, how are you?

1481
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 8: I'm good? And it was fun even though they lost.

1482
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 8: It was still a good day. Opening Day always is.

1483
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeap in Cincinnati. You know, we've been focusing on the

1484
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: the bad part of it all morning, and again it's

1485
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: nice to talk about baseball. The Reds were three to

1486
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: nothing losers on opening Day. Boy, I'll tell you it

1487
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: looked like one of those offensive shortages from last year.

1488
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: You take South Stewart out of the mix, who had

1489
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: three hits. This would have been a one hitter the

1490
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: other thing you'd boy, I tell you you can't say

1491
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: enough about Andrew ad But you and I talked, I

1492
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: think it was last week about it. Kind of worried

1493
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: based upon his spring era. You couldn't have asked for

1494
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: more than from him, don't you think?

1495
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 8: Yeah? I agree, so you and the lesson learned. Forget

1496
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 8: about spring training. He looked great.

1497
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know.

1498
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 8: He won six innings. What can you say? You shut

1499
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 8: him out for six innings on seven hits. That's that's

1500
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 8: pretty good. And if I recall at least three of

1501
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 8: those hits were infield hits, so it's not like they

1502
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 8: were pounding the ball. And he really looked good, he

1503
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 8: really did. And why you mentioned Kyle Stewart. Yeah, you

1504
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 8: could take his three hits out, but you can't. I know, Stuart.

1505
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 8: He he came in with a lot of hype. He

1506
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 8: hit well enough in spring that Francona decided him to

1507
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 8: bat him fourth rather than Suarez, And it turned out

1508
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 8: to be great for a lot of reasons. Number One,

1509
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 8: those other two guys Faya La Cruz and Swars are

1510
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 8: going to strike out a lot, so you get a

1511
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 8: guy in there that make more contact batting forth and

1512
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 8: it worked out. And and you know, he got two

1513
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 8: of those hits after he got whacked with a line

1514
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 8: drive on the on his left wrist. So he's going

1515
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 8: to be a spark plug for this team. I liked

1516
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 8: I liked the I liked the little fight in him

1517
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 8: when he got the second base on one of those hits.

1518
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 8: You know, he pounds the air with his fist, and

1519
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 8: I love that. That's what this team. Little sparked this team.

1520
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: Needs absolutely and boy, he's going to be fun to

1521
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: watch this year. Four ten today, Great American Ballpark. He

1522
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: got the Reds and the Red Sox going at it

1523
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: again for the Red Sox. Former Red people recognize this guy.

1524
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: Sonny Gray last year fourteen and eight record for twenty

1525
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: eight e er going against Brady Singer fourteen and twelve

1526
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: last year four point zero three e er.

1527
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that.

1528
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 8: Matchup yet, I think it's I think it's a good one.

1529
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 8: I mean, Sonny Gray, He's had a great career, there's

1530
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 8: no doubt about that. But Brady Singer, boy, you know

1531
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 8: what he does. Might he pitches deep in the games.

1532
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 8: I expect him to go six or seven today, you hope.

1533
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 8: But you know he didn't miss the start last last

1534
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 8: season he pitched thirty two, started thirty two games, led

1535
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 8: the team in innings pitched as well, and every team

1536
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 8: needs that now he had you know, he won fourteen games.

1537
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 8: You can't beat that. And but he takes the ball

1538
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 8: every single day and that's important. And he's a veteran

1539
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 8: now he knows how to pitch. I'm not saying Boston

1540
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 8: won't get their hits. They probably will, but this guy

1541
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 8: will be in a ballgame and hold it for the bullpen.

1542
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it would be nice to do that.

1543
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, although the season just started, it's nice to

1544
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: take it easy on that bullpen Sunday matchup Conley Early,

1545
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: he's four and four last year, three point seventy three

1546
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: year going against Rhet Louder, who don't have any stats

1547
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: for him. Twenty twenty five, he missed the entire season.

1548
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: What are you looking to see out of Rett Louder

1549
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: this year? It's going to be interesting.

1550
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 8: Well, Mike, he looked really good in spring training. He

1551
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 8: really did. And I think you're talking about a guy

1552
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 8: who's not going to go.

1553
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 7: Deep into games.

1554
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,560
Speaker 8: None of those three at the back end of the

1555
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 8: starting rotation are going to because they just haven't pitched

1556
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 8: enough him Burns Williamson. It's just not going to happen.

1557
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 8: So if he can go out tomorrow and give them,

1558
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 8: you know, four innings, maybe five, you know, but don't

1559
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 8: count more than five innings, even if he pitches, well,

1560
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 8: I don't think he'll go deeper than that, depending on

1561
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 8: pitch count. But here's a guy, even though he's young,

1562
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 8: he knows how to pitch. I mean, this is a

1563
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 8: kid that want to wake Forest. They have a pitching

1564
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 8: machine down there. Basically they develop these. So he comes

1565
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 8: up here, he's a pretty good idea what he is doing.

1566
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 8: So we'll see what happens. I mean, he's going to,

1567
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 8: you know, have his bumps along the way because essentially

1568
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 8: he's still a rookie. But you know, I expect he'll

1569
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 8: he'll again keep the team in the game. But the

1570
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 8: big thing now is, you know, the whole plan all

1571
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 8: along was to have him and Burns probably be the

1572
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 8: four and five starters, and then Williamson he'll come in

1573
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 8: behind those guys and make up those innings. So if

1574
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 8: Louder that's the biggest problem. Louder only goes four innings, boy,

1575
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 8: you got five innings to fill with the bullpen. And

1576
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 8: then the next day of Burns only goes four innings,

1577
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 8: you got five more innings to fill with your bullpen.

1578
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 8: That's where it's going to be tough, especially as we

1579
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 8: get deeper into the season.

1580
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 2: And we've got the pie Ar.

1581
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: It's coming in after the Red Sox, right.

1582
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 8: We have the Pirates and there is Paul Schemes. He

1583
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 8: got his doors blown off on an opening day. I

1584
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 8: think he gave him six runs and two thirds of

1585
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 8: an ending. Oh, I know, it was not good. And

1586
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 8: the Reds will see him. If the math works out right,

1587
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 8: he'll pitch one of those games against Simpsonabi.

1588
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: Okay, want did I ask you to? Nick? Ludolo is

1589
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: still suffering from those blisters. When do you see his

1590
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: return coming yet?

1591
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 8: I think he'll only miss two starts. He you know,

1592
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 8: blamed it on the heat in Arizona. And I don't

1593
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 8: know much about how blisters are formed, but maybe when

1594
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 8: it's that dry, there's no humidity, maybe that's how it happens.

1595
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 8: But I think you know, they caught it early enough,

1596
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 8: Mike where he'll get these two out of the way

1597
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 8: and then knock on wood, he'll be find the rest

1598
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 8: of the year. But but I agree with it. I mean,

1599
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 8: put him on the il now getting complete healthy, so

1600
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 8: he's he's in the lineup the rest of the season.

1601
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 8: That's I mean, that's the key wake up.

1602
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: To find this morning that the Reds trade, not traded,

1603
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: but acquired a veteran reliever, Andrew Chaffin. He's thirty five

1604
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: years old. Last year he played with the Nationals and

1605
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the Angels. Had a two point seven oh era with

1606
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 1: the Nationals one point nine to eight er with the Angels.

1607
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: His career era is three thirty five. What do you

1608
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: expect out of him? And what was the thinking behind that?

1609
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 8: I think the thinking is just it's just depth. You

1610
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 8: got to have some these guys in just what we

1611
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 8: talked about. You got to have these guys in triple

1612
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 8: A because you are going to wear your bullpound out.

1613
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 8: Otherwise you can't have you can't have the the Tony

1614
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 8: Santion's of the world throwing eighty games again this season.

1615
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 8: It just it's just too much. It's going to be hard.

1616
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 8: So you know, you acquire as much as you can,

1617
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 8: You put them in the minor leagues, and when needed,

1618
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 8: you bring them up. That's really all they are is

1619
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,879
Speaker 8: insurance policies, and sometimes you need those insurance policies especially,

1620
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 8: you know, and with again, your starter's not going deep

1621
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 8: in the ball games. This if you think this pitching

1622
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 8: staff is set thak again, because by the end of

1623
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 8: this season you'll see names you needn't even know exist

1624
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 8: and that that's just not with the Reds. That's with

1625
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 8: every team. Yeah, it's through a lot of pitching with

1626
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 8: guys throwing one hundred miles an hour.

1627
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 1: It sure has been that way with the Reds. It

1628
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, you look at Chafin. His numbers

1629
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,839
Speaker 1: aren't bad, I mean thirty five years old, but career

1630
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: three point three to oh, I think, e er.

1631
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty good pickup.

1632
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, we'll see. I mean, you know, there's

1633
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 8: a reason another team letting go though. That's true. Let's

1634
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 8: be honest. There's you know, nobody lets anybody go if

1635
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 8: they're pitching, well unless it's a salary thing, and in

1636
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 8: this case, I doubt that.

1637
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: That was the case.

1638
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 8: So you know, there's some flaws there that hopefully they correct.

1639
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 8: But again it's just depth that you'll need later in

1640
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 8: the season.

1641
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Wall.

1642
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Street Journal doesn't do a lot of sports, but what

1643
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: they do do is very good, usually just one or

1644
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: two articles a day. I sent you yesterday an article

1645
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: that Jared Diamond put together, Baseball is back. So is

1646
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,600
Speaker 1: the sports competitive crisis. And the whole gist of it is,

1647
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: and you and I've been talking about this for I

1648
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: think at least the last year. You know, baseball has

1649
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: done so much to help itself, and you know, with

1650
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: the World Baseball Classic they got a really good head

1651
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: of steam. The gist to this article is that that's

1652
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: all going to go down the Do you know what

1653
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: if we have this lockout thing and from talking to

1654
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: you over the last year, you'd you're pretty convinced we're

1655
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: going to have that.

1656
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 2: Is that true?

1657
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 8: Well, I think if talk about it to anyone around baseball,

1658
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 8: everybody has the same opinion that that's going to happen. Now,

1659
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 8: does that mean it's one going to happen. No, something

1660
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 8: may happen and they may settle it. But you know,

1661
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 8: even that article it talks about the big issue, of course,

1662
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 8: is the salary cap. Yep, the owners won sary cap.

1663
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 8: The players want nothing to do with a sary cap.

1664
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 8: And you know, there's arguments on both ends with it.

1665
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 8: I mean, there really are. I mean, I think every

1666
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 8: other major sport has a salary cap. It seems to

1667
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 8: be working. But I'm if I'm a player, I think

1668
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 8: I feel the same way. You can't tell me how

1669
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 8: much I can make kind of thing. So so I

1670
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 8: think that's that's what it comes down to. And it

1671
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 8: is a competitive balance thing, There's no question about that. Mic,

1672
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 8: It's going to be what what you sent me was

1673
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 8: really interesting about the teams the top fifteen markets versus

1674
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 8: the bottom fifteen markets, and they're winning percentage and going

1675
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 8: more than that going deep into the playoffs. You know,

1676
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 8: just if you're a top fifteen market, your chance of

1677
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 8: going deep into the playoffs and going to the World

1678
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 8: Series is a lot better than the Cincinnatis and Pittsburgh's

1679
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 8: of the world. It's just that's just the way it is.

1680
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 8: And really, I think it does come down to money.

1681
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 8: Even though big markets like the La Angels and they

1682
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 8: made it a point in the article, and I agree

1683
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 8: with that. You had show Hey Otani and Mike tradd

1684
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 8: on the same team for six years and you didn't

1685
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 8: go to the postseason. To me, that's port management. That

1686
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 8: has nothing to do with money. But for the most part,

1687
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 8: if you have the money and you have some idea

1688
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 8: of what you're doing on the baseball end of things,

1689
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 8: it's a big advantage. And it just shows that. And

1690
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 8: I think this all stems, you know, not all of it,

1691
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 8: but people are jumping on the bed wagon because the

1692
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 8: Dodgers have won back to back World Series and I

1693
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 8: get it. I get it. The Dodgers can get anything

1694
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 8: they want, and they have all the money in the world,

1695
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 8: and most of that comes from the local TV revenue,

1696
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 8: which you know, THEIRS is like the GDP of a

1697
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 8: small country. They have so much money.

1698
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Well, you're right about that.

1699
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Yet unfortunately we are out of time here, but as always,

1700
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: appreciates your point of view and hopefully we'll talk to

1701
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 1: you next Saturday.

1702
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 8: You got it, Mike.

1703
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 2: Thanks, Okay, thank you? All right. That means that I

1704
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 2: am out of here.

1705
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone that called in today and

1706
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: my guests as well. A good discussion about a bad situation,

1707
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: and it's nice to kind of top it all off

1708
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: at the end with DDY talking about real baseball. So

1709
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: we will be back next Saturday. Mike Allen, seven hundred WLW.

1710
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 3: Hello everybody,