1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's nice, Dan Ray, I'm going you Mazy Boston's News Radio. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: It might it might be a quiet knife for sports, 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: might not be an active knife for sports. We got 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: a lot of action here on Nightside. Tonight we have 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: the President coming by at about nine o'clock to deliver 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: a big speech from Washington, which we'll cover for you 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: and they get your reaction to it. And then later 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: on tonight we'll try to keep in contact up to 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: date on the latest and the Brookline Mit professor's murder, 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: also the murders of the two students at Brown University 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: last weekend. It's been a kind of a bad vibe 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: as we move into the end of the year. And 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: this hour we're going to talk with four individuals, starting 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: off with Dwayne Deson. He's the president of the Efficacy Group. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: He's also a certified public accountant. And we're going to 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: talk about twenty twenty six. Now, I don't want to 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: get ahead of ourselves here, Dwayne, but twenty twenty six 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: is now just about a couple of weeks away. Two 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: weeks from tonight is New Year's Eve, so there's less 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: than well, there's two weeks three hours in about fifty 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: one minutes left in twenty twenty five. These these hour 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: glasses is slipping and sliding away. How are you this evening? 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: I am very well. That time does flye it is. 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: It's hard to believe we're already talking about twenty twenty six. 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're pushing it a little bit here. We 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: still have a few days left of Hanukah and then 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: the Christmas holiday. But twenty twenty six could be a 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 2: very interesting year politically. The Republicans have to worry about 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: defending their margin, their thin margin in the House. We 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: have a new tax bill that goes into effect, maybe 31 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: even another potential government shut down. I mean, there's a 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: lot going on. What are you looking for. 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Specifically, it's going to be another wild drive. I think 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five was that, and I think twenty twenty 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: six will not disappoint. I think we're going to start off, 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: as you mentioned with in January, we have the big 37 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: beautiful bill really starting to take effect with a lot 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: of its tax cuts that are going to stimulate the economy. 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: And that's going to be great news. And that's going 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: to be followed up from very tough news, because by 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: the end of January, we very well might be facing 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: another government shutdown with no easy answers because now the 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: parties have to agree on budget appropriations and those healthcare subsidies, 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: so that's a tough combination to agree on. So it's 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: going to be even an interesting month one to the year. 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I might be wrong, but I'm betting against a 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: government shutdown. And the reason I'm betting against it, I 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: don't think there were any winners. The Republicans certainly tasted 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: some defeat in the November elections in Virginia and New 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: Jersey and subsequently elsewhere, and I think all and all 51 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: the Democrats don't feel they got much out of it. 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: So I think it would be a ship of fools 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: if this government shuts down again for any length of time. 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: It caused a lot of emotional harm and upset to 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: people in this country. That's that's my thought on And 56 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: what's your what's your instinct tell you? 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think that ship of fools is 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: a great phrase there, So I'm not so sure sometimes 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: in Washington, and I'm from that area, that we that 60 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: we have a lot of great failures on that ship. 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: So I would still put it around fifty to fifty. 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: I think what you're saying, hopefully they've learned a lesson 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: from just a few months ago. But I'm not so 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: sure because I think some of the stakes are very high. 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: The Democrats, I think, felt like they like a fight, 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: and they and their their their constituents want them to fight, 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: and so sometimes they just have that instinct to try 68 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: to go for that. I think the Republicans really don't 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: want to extend the COVID subsidies, and so that's going 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: to be a big issue at the end. What usually 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: happens on these things is they just give everybody what 72 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: they want and we just spend away. And that's why 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: we have a thirty eight trillion dollar budget debt, you know. 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: So we'll see how it plays out this year. 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that I think works against 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: that is I think the Republicans and the Democrats both 77 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: want something here. But I still think that the smart 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: people on both sides of the eye are going to 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: say shutdown is didn't do anyone any good. It certainly 80 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: didn't health the American people. There are a lot of 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: people who didn't get their snap benefits for some time 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts and elsewhere around the country in early November, 83 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: and I think there's there's some ways that they can 84 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: compromise on some of that, but hey, that's we'll see 85 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: how it plays out. There's a lot of other things 86 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: going on. I'm going to have a new FED chairman, 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: which I think Jay Powell's time has kind of run 88 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: its course. Here. Do you have a thought as to 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: who likely is going to be the new new FED chairman? 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think I like the phrase that I hear 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: a lot that it will be a Kevin, since it's 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: the to Kevin's under consideration. But but I think what 93 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: we know is that that individual will probably be soft 94 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: on interest rates, meaning that they'll be more likely to 95 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 3: cut than than previous leadership and and that and that 96 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: can be very positive and stimulating to the to the economy, 97 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: but it can also have some sometimes side effects as well. Uh, 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 3: it's not there's always, like all these things, there's trade 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: offs between between doing something that it could cause the 100 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: The worry is that it overstimulates the economy and it 101 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: creates inflation. I don't think we're close to that, and 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: I think we as long as we don't get carried away, 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: I think we should be fine on interest rate cuts. 104 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the tariffs I don't think have had the impact 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: that a lot of people feared on, particularly on some 106 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: of the big, big ticket items. And I also think 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: that the Republicans realized that whatever good that they have 108 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: done in terms of stimulating you know, new businesses in 109 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: this country and specifically some new factories on you know, 110 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 2: hard goods like automobiles, probably the commitment has been made. 111 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: I think that they're going to back away from. I 112 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: don't think there's much of an appetite amongst the Republicans 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: to have greater or new tariffs. 114 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say that the big surprise of twenty 115 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: twenty five with the tariffs is that they did not 116 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: impact inflation and did not have the big economic impact 117 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: that people were anticipating. So it ended up being I 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: would say, relatively tame for was what were pretty good 119 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: sized teriffs for a while there. And they've come down, 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: and if I had to bet on twenty twenty six, 121 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: I think they will still come down. And because we 122 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: have some we still have some big tariffs in place 123 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: with our with our neighbors in Canada and Mexico, and 124 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: so there's an opportunity for those to soften a little bit. 125 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: But there's also the opportunity for China to heat up, 126 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily even though we have about a 127 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: year truce which will end in November, it's not to 128 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: say that that we can't have spikes before that. Like 129 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: if China doesn't keep their commitment to buy our agriculture products, 130 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: our soybeans or whatever other pieces of that, it could 131 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: trigger again another quick fight and we'd be right back 132 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: in the ring again. And also Trump is not afraid 133 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: to President Trump is not afraid to use traffs if 134 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: something isn't going well, if he doesn't like something with 135 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: another country or any dealings, or think something's not appropriate, 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: that it's probably his first card he played. And so 137 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: I do think there's a chance that there's some Tarff 138 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: surprises that come up in twenty twenty six. 139 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: The other issue that I think will carry over is 140 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: the rush of Ukraine War. There's no quick end of 141 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: sight on that. I don't see that ending anytime soon. 142 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: I think the Gulf is too great and and and 143 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: Putin is too unreasonable. I think Putin has played Trump here. Uh, 144 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: certainly with that meeting in Alaska which which which went 145 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: nowhere do you see any I mean, that would be 146 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: the best thing that could happen if I had to 147 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: pick the surprise of of all. But I just don't 148 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: see that that coming to an end anytime soon, despite 149 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: the carnage that both sides are suffering. 150 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It's a terrible thing that's going on there. 151 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: And I agree with you that I pray there's an 152 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: outcome that's reasonable. Uh, you know, unless unless the United 153 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: States and and with Europe's help, is going to get 154 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: much tougher on Russia, which so far we have not 155 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: really been too serious with our sanctions. We've talked about them, 156 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: we threatened them, we really haven't done them. And if 157 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 3: if as long as that continues, I don't think Putin 158 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: will come to heal. So and and it's probably not 159 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: reasonable just to ask, you, praying, to give up a 160 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: lot of territory and to essentially capitulate after they fought 161 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: so hard for so many years. So it's going to 162 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 3: be that is a tough one to settle there. I'm 163 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: sometimes I have hope in the sense that that Russia 164 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: they act like they're they're very strong, and Putin just 165 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: feel like has a stronghand their economy is not doing 166 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: that well, and they are starting to suffer from this conflict, 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: and so I do feel like Putin would like to 168 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: see a end of the conflict if he can get 169 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: this result and still stay faced, so to speak. 170 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the only option we haven't played, and 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: that is the Traumahawk missile option. And that is a 172 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: very dangerous card to play on our end, because once 173 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: we turn those missiles over, you never know what the 174 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: implications might be and what Putin, as a desperate individual, 175 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: might decide to do on his end as well. So 176 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: there's always a lot of questions, a lot of excitement 177 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: and possibility. We'll keep in touch, Dwayne. I enjoyed our 178 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: conversation today. How can folks get in touch with you 179 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: or the Efficacy Group if they felt it'd like to 180 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: be in touch. 181 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: I have a website that's Efficacy Group E F F 182 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: I C A C Y Group, g r U up 183 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: dot com and I can be reached through that. And 184 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: I always enjoy talking to you, Dan. 185 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: Right back at you, Dwayne, Thank you so much. We'll 186 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: have you back probably sooner than later, earlier in the 187 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: new year than you have any reasonablief. Thanks so much, 188 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: appreciate it joy. When we get back, we're going to 189 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: bring you a little bit of a development in the 190 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: Brown shooting case. We're gonna be talking with Colleen Cronin, 191 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: the Boston Herald reporter back on Night Side in a moment. 192 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray 193 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 194 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: Well, all of us have been shocked by a couple 195 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: of incidents here, one of which is the shooting of 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: the MIT professor I guess In the in the foyer 197 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: of his home in Brookline. But we were shocked over 198 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: the weekend with the the shooting, the wounding, seriously wounding 199 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: many students down at Brown, and the murder of two students. 200 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: We're delighted to be joined. I think for the first 201 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: time I could be wrong on that Colleen Cronin, who's 202 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: a reporter for the Boston Herald. Colleen spent a lot 203 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: of time in Providence on Sunday and Monday and has 204 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: been following this story. Colleen, First of all, welcome to Nightside. 205 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: How are you this evening. 206 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to 207 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: be here. 208 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: Thanks very much for being here. There was a photograph 209 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: released tonight not of the person of interest you know, 210 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: so called, but of someone who apparently was dressed in 211 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: kind of a similar fashion but did not have his 212 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: face covered. But he might have been walking on those 213 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: streets as the person who's the person of interest in 214 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: this case. And when I use that word, you know 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: what I mean. What are they hoping to find out 216 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: from this other individual who was dressed in very similar 217 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: fashion except for the face covering. So do they think 218 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: there might actually be some connection here? You know? 219 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 4: Police Chief Oscar Perez in Providence, he said at the 220 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 4: press conference today. I wish videos could could talk. And 221 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: it seems pretty unclear even what information they want from 222 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: this person, just that they know that this person was 223 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 4: in the area around Brown at the same time as 224 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 4: the person of interest who they're looking into for the shooting. 225 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: So it's pretty unclear at this point what information, if any, 226 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: they're hoping to get, but they are hoping to speak 227 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 4: with them, just even for the fact that the person 228 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 4: was in such close proximity. 229 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: Right now, you've been down there. I haven't a long 230 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: long time ago. I was an actual reporter like you 231 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: for thirty one years working at WBZ and Boston. I 232 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: covered a lot of these scenes. When they released those 233 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: videos and the still pictures of the person of interest, 234 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: I looked at them and I thought, this is a 235 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: really bad video. I mean, there was you could learn 236 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: something about maybe this guy's size, his girth, his height 237 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: because he walked past street signs that you could measure 238 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: I know how they do that, But there was nothing descriptive, unlike, 239 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: for example, when you think about the guy in New York, 240 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni. He had these very huge, bushy eyebrows for 241 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: a young guy, and I think that was what drew 242 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: people to his attention when he was in that McDonald's. 243 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: Do you think that they those are the best they 244 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: had to offer. But was there any talk amongst the 245 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: reporters or amongst the investigators that hey, this is going 246 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: to lead to a break. I mean, obviously they're they've 247 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: given us the best they got, but I was very 248 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: disappointed with the quality of the videos, the still shots 249 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: of the person of interest. 250 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 4: You know, the Attorney General Rhode Island Attorney General n 251 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: Rono was pretty honest about the fact that it's low 252 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: quality what they have, but it was the best that 253 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: they had. You know, Chief Perez said that he was 254 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: hoping to be the gate of the person, which a 255 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: care sort of distinctive could you know, tip someone off 256 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: to the identity of who this person is. But you're right, 257 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't really have a good image of 258 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: the person of interest face. I think the most descriptive 259 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: part is, you know, a jacket which appears to be, 260 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 4: you know, a little green and black, and a lot 261 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: of people have jackets that look like that, so I 262 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: think they're pretty They've been pretty honest about the fact that, 263 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: you know, this is the best they have and it's 264 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: it's not the best that they wish it was. 265 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to make an assumption. I know we're never 266 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: supposed to make assumptions, but my assumption is that for 267 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: this guy to hang around in that location as long 268 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: as he did, which we know he did, and for 269 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: him to go into this this study group, he must 270 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: have had somebody in that study group that he was 271 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: looking to impact. And I would suspect that any break 272 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: in this case is going to come from someone sadly 273 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: might be you know, what he did to the one 274 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: of the two people who were killed who no longer 275 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: can talk to us, But maybe maybe someone in that 276 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: room who was merely wounded, had had a beef with him, 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: or there was something there. I just to walk in 278 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: and try to blow away people in a study group 279 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I've got 280 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: to believe that there was a reason why this kid 281 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: or this guy, because I assume it's a relatively young 282 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: person from his demeanor. Do you buy that or have 283 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: you heard that theory? 284 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 4: No? I think there's certainly that theory's been put out there. 285 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: And in normal homicide, key is if there's ever such 286 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: a thing, you know, victims often do know the perpetrator. 287 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: In this instance, I think that law enforcement is really 288 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: cautioning against making that assumption just because it might overly 289 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: narrow where they're searching in this case, but it's certainly possible. 290 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: I think, you know, there are instances where people are 291 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: connected or have a vendetta. We saw that, you know, 292 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: in the the suspect, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk, 293 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: but other instances we don't. So I think, you know, 294 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: they're really leaning on figuring out who this person is first, 295 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: and maybe getting the facts and the motive after they've 296 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 4: stated no motive, And you know, there's been a lot 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: of theories floating around online, specifically about the two students 298 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: who were killed in the shooting and how they may 299 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 4: have you know, prompted a motive for the killing, and 300 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: law enforcement has really tried to push back on that. 301 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: So I think it's really open to what will come. 302 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 5: I'm not sure I see those similarities between the the 303 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 5: two people, young people who lost their lives to the 304 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 5: young man from Uzbekistan and the young woman who I 305 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 5: believe came from Alabama. 306 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: It's not as if there's little commonality geographically, and so 307 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: I'll be interested. I just hope that all of the 308 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: story comes out, that the authorities as well as the 309 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: university deal with us with transparency and where all adults, 310 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: let's find out what this was about. Obviously it's going 311 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: to have to come up at trial if they if 312 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: they hope to, you know, convict anyone of this crime. 313 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: That's what I hope, And I know that there's certain 314 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: rumors going around, and I don't think that's helpful either. 315 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: I just think they should get to the bottom of 316 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: it as quickly as possible, make their arrest. It's not 317 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: an impossible case, but I think this is going to 318 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: be a tough case this, this guy's he could be 319 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: anywhere in the world right now after four days, and 320 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: I hope that they realize that. 321 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: You know, I think something that's interesting that came up 322 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: today is that speaking about sort of theories that are 323 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 4: out there, is law enforcement was also kind of advising 324 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 4: people against any sort of AI images that could be 325 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: out there that are might just be distorting the images 326 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 4: that are out there that the police have put out there, 327 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 4: which is you know, a whole other layer to this 328 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: that maybe, you know, even two years ago or three 329 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: years ago, we wouldn't have had. So there is certainly 330 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: a lot of misinformation. But you know, they're they're maintaining 331 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: that they're not discouraged at this point despite sort of 332 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 4: the lack of visual evidence that they can show us. 333 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think we're just going to have to 334 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: wait and see you unfortunately, as. 335 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: Often we do. Colleen cron and the Boston Harrold appreciate 336 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: you taking the time tonight. 337 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Thanks for having me. 338 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: Very welcome. When we get back right after the news 339 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the r we're going to talk 340 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: about and this is a think we've talked about before, 341 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: but how to disagree better how to chat with family 342 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: and friends about politics around the holidays. I mean, we 343 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: will be talking with Julia Minson. She's a Harvard Kennedy 344 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: School professor and a behavioral scientist. So if anyone can 345 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: give us some help, I suspect it would be Professor 346 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: Julia Minson. Back with Professor Minson right after the news 347 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour. 348 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Ray Boston's news radio. 349 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: All Right, the holidays are approaching and just like a 350 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and at the fourth of July at Christmas, the 351 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: family tends to gather and oftentimes politics can be a 352 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: sore point with us. Is Professor Julia Minson at the 353 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: Harvard Kennedy School, professor and behavioral scientists, author of Builders Movement, 354 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: a Builders Movement partner, which is a global initiative combat 355 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: extreme division and polarization. Well, you got a lot to 356 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: work with here, Professor Minson, because we have a lot 357 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: of division and polarization in this country right now and 358 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: have it for a few years. You have some tips 359 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: as to how we can avoid people throwing turkey legs 360 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: across the table or flow the entire ham. 361 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 6: Well, that sounds like a good goal to be not 362 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 6: throwing turkey legs across the table is a good place 363 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 6: to start, sure, you know. Another really good place to 364 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 6: start is realizing that you are not going to win 365 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 6: an argument over the dinner table. It's just not going 366 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 6: to happen. We've learned from our research that when people 367 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 6: feel serious about their belief it's about a one in 368 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 6: twenty chance that you're going to win something. So if 369 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 6: you're not going to win, why are you going through 370 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 6: all the drama? 371 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: Right? Like? 372 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 6: What are you trying to accomplish with having this conversation? 373 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 6: And So I think that's the number one question that 374 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 6: I would ask myself when I'm about to engage in 375 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 6: politics at the Christmas table. 376 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that most people 377 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: are set in their ways. I deal with it here 378 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: on the night side five nights a week, and it 379 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. When I played Devil's Advocate and ask questions, 380 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't even respond to the question. 381 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: It's like they just want to tell you why you're wrong. 382 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: For a long time, this has been with us now 383 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: for about ten years. I think it started in the 384 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: days of Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, or Donald Trump 385 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: versus Hillary Clinton and for a while, I was suggesting 386 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: to people, hey, where are your Trump buttons? Where you're 387 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: the big you know, Martha's vineyd Son hats that Hillary 388 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Clinton often wore, you know, let people know loud and 389 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: proud where you stand. Well, that didn't work, and I 390 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: think it's just gotten deeper and deeper as time has 391 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: gone on. How do you handle it at the Kennedy School. 392 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: I assume that you have a people over there, students 393 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: who have different points of view? What's what is what's 394 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: the practice that you use in the classroom, and maybe 395 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: you let them go at it in the classroom because 396 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: that's what they're supposed to do. I'm not sure if 397 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: you've ever been able to get people talking to one 398 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: another as opposed to past one another. 399 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think you've got the timeline exactly right. 400 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 6: And we've been actually working for a few years at 401 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: the Kennedy School on creating a very robust program to 402 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 6: teach our students to disagree in a constructive way. So 403 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 6: I really think that, you know, a key skill of 404 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 6: a public policy maker and a public leader is to 405 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 6: be able to, as you say, not talk past the 406 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 6: other person, because the whole reason you're talking to them 407 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 6: is because you need to do something together, right, Like, 408 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 6: if you didn't need them, you could just go do 409 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 6: the thing yourself. And so, you know, there's this choice 410 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 6: that I think people have been trying different methods over time. 411 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: You know. 412 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 6: On one hand, we say, Okay, what's the strongest argument 413 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 6: I can make. I will wear my button and I 414 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: will fly my colors and I will kind of practice 415 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 6: my debate skills and win. The argument that hasn't worked. 416 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 6: Right on the flip side of it is I'm just 417 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 6: going to avoid it. I'm going to change the topic. 418 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 6: I'm going to let them believe whatever it is they 419 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 6: want to believe, and I will stay out of the drama. 420 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 6: And you know the problem with that approach is that 421 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 6: the drama still lives on in your head, right you 422 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 6: still feel you know, you still have or rehearsing that 423 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 6: argument in your head the entire time. So you know, 424 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 6: what we really find, you know, in line with our research, 425 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 6: is that there is a way to have constructive conversation 426 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 6: station when you decide that your goal is not to 427 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 6: persuade this person in this one conversation, right, if you 428 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 6: decide that your goal is to learn about each other's 429 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 6: perspective and to make the other person feel heard, then 430 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 6: you start getting somewhere. And that's really kind of the 431 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 6: program we've been building. 432 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it was kind of a toxic 433 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: mix when you had and again, not to blame people, 434 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: but I'm going to blame people to have Hillary Clinton 435 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: referring to people as a bowl of deplorables half the country. 436 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: And you have Donald Trump reacting to Rob Reiner's murder 437 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: and the murder of his wife as well in that 438 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: post that he put up, and people are as watching today, 439 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: people defending that, and it's like that sort of language 440 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: is so extreme on both ends, there's no room for 441 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: conversation that would have happened, let's say many a go 442 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: between someone like Bill Buckley and John David Galbraith, just 443 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: what happened today? 444 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 6: Sadly, Well, I think what you're pointing out is leadership 445 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 6: really matters, right, Leadership really really matters. And what our 446 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 6: leader's model is what the rest of us pick up 447 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 6: that sort of sets the tone and sets the norms. 448 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 6: But the good news, and this is again what we 449 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 6: have found in our experiment, is that people imitate each 450 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 6: other's tone. And so even though our leaders have these 451 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 6: massive megaphones and can reach millions of people. Each one 452 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 6: of us has the ability to influence the tone in 453 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 6: every conversation we participate in. So if you want to 454 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 6: have a more civil discussion around your dinner table, or 455 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 6: on your work team or in your community, you can 456 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 6: model the behavior you want to see from others, and 457 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 6: psychology tells us that they are going to essentially copycat 458 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 6: the model that you set, So that gives every single 459 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 6: one of us a lot of power. 460 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: And even, for example, the relationships between President Reagan and 461 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: Tip O'Neil in the nineteen eighties. I mean they would fight, 462 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: disagree and all of that, but after hours they could 463 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: share a drink at the White House and I think 464 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: actually have a friendship. And I wish we had more 465 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: of that today, that's for sure. Professor Professor Julia Minsent 466 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Is there a website that you'd 467 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: like to direct? You have a book, how to Disagree Better? 468 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: How can folks get a copy that? I assume Amazon 469 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: dot com. 470 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, so my book How to Disagree Better is coming 471 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 6: out on March twenty fourth. You can find it anywhere 472 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 6: books are sold. I'm also part of the Builder's Movement, 473 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 6: which is a movement of people trying to find ways 474 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 6: to disagree constructively, and you can find them at builders 475 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 6: Movement dot org. 476 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: Sounds great, And make sure that we get you back 477 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: before the book, just before the book publishes, and we 478 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: may well do an entire hour and maybe also involved callers, 479 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: which I think would be fun. If you're interested, keep. 480 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 6: Us, that would be fabulous. I would love to do that. 481 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: All right, well, Professor Minston, I wish you great holidays, 482 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: whether you celebrate Hanukkah, Christmas, Kwanza, or Festivus fill in 483 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: the blank, happy holidays and whatever you celebrate. 484 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 6: Okay, you too, Thanks so much, Thank. 485 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: You very much. When we get back, we're going to 486 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: talk with Boston Globe sports reporter Kerrie Thompson, and we're 487 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: going to be talking about the Patriots and maybe a 488 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: little bit about the Celtics, but focus on the Patriots. 489 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: Where do they go from here? I think the season 490 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: still has some big positive surprises in store for all 491 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: of us. Coming back on Nightside. 492 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 493 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: We're joined by Carrie Thompson. Carry I hope I know 494 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: I got Thompson right. I'm hoping I got Kyrie correct 495 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: as well. 496 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 7: You got it perfect. You're pronouncing it beautifully, Dan. 497 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: How are you. I'm doing great, Carrey, Welcome back to 498 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: Night Side. You've been with us before Tough Afternoon for 499 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: the Patriots Sunday afternoon against Buffalo, And I know in 500 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: Patriotsville there's a lot of people who are blaming the 501 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: refs on that game. Anything gonna come of that. There 502 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: were a lot of poems called the Patriots. 503 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 7: No, I'm not gonna blame the rest for that. I mean, 504 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 7: I'll blame the lack of a pass rush before I 505 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 7: blame the rest for that game. And also I blame 506 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 7: Drake May for the way he played before the rest too. 507 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 7: It wasn't his finest game. So I'm no, there's no 508 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 7: excuses for them. The bar is too high for them. 509 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: At this point, it was still a close game. I 510 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: mean they lost by four, and after Henderson bounced off 511 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: that traffic jam, I've never seen that many defensive players. 512 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: If you could have thrown literally a towel had covered 513 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: most of the helmets of the Buffalo Bills. Was that 514 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: just a breakdown? I mean, Henderson was brilliant. He just 515 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: bounced and took off and and Drake May, to his credit, 516 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 2: was out there as the lead blocker keep it up 517 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: a little bit with Henderson actually, which was pleasantly surprising. 518 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean Travion credit to him for the 519 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 7: great vision on that on that play to cut that back. 520 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 7: And also for Drake, as you mentioned, just the hustle, 521 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 7: the combination of hustle and athleticism and just mindset right, Like, 522 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 7: that's what you want from your quarterback. You want someone 523 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 7: who's gonna get out there, lead and lead and be 524 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: out in front. If he's gonna walk, talk to talk 525 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 7: and he's gonna walk the walk. And he threw a 526 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 7: lead block. How about that? 527 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? As good as as good as Tom Brady was, 528 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: I don't think he could have done what Drake May did. No, 529 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: he was not a fleet of foot. 530 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 7: No, no, no, wasn't even close. 531 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So what did they have to do? Let's talk 532 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: Sunday night, John in Baltimore against a read juvenated Baltimore 533 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: Raven's team that took it to Cincinnati last weekend, shut 534 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: him out and shut out Joe Burrows, a team that 535 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: you know that played the Patriots pretty well a few 536 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: weeks ago they better not be asleep in Baltimore. 537 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 7: The better they better not they I think they have 538 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 7: to get the run game going. They've been inconsistent with 539 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 7: it throughout the year. It's obviously you can see what 540 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 7: kind of a home run hit or Trevion is when 541 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 7: he gets some room to run. So that's going to 542 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 7: be a huge key because he can't be one dimensional 543 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 7: and Astak to throw it forty times. They did that, 544 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 7: you know, consistently throughout the year. But you know that's 545 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 7: that's not a recipe for success when it comes late 546 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 7: against good teams. And you know Baltimore is always physical, 547 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 7: they always love to hit. And you're facing you're facing 548 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 7: one of the one of seven players man to win 549 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 7: MVP under the age twenty four in Lamar Jackson. So 550 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 7: you know, Drake is vying to be in that conversation, 551 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 7: but Lamar is one of those guys that is so 552 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 7: you know you got to contain him as well. 553 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: And is he finally healthy? I know he's been hurt 554 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: for most of the season. What's the did they keep 555 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: him out long? Missed? 556 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 7: So he missed practice today apparently it was it was 557 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 7: it was he was sick. It was an illness that 558 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 7: kept him out of practice today. But people have been 559 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 7: saying that he's he's missed. He's missed days routinely throughout 560 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 7: these last couple of weeks and still ended up playing. 561 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 7: But he was not at practice today, which is an 562 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 7: interesting footnote. 563 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: Well, uh, this this is a big one for for 564 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: the Pats. They they don't want to lose two in 565 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: a row. I mean, they got a couple of relatively 566 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: easy games to pick up with Miami and the Jets, 567 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: which I don't want to put those in the wind callum, 568 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: but I feel good about those games. The Baltimore game 569 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: on a Sunday night troubles me a little bit. I 570 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: don't even know what the points spread is. I'm assuming 571 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: Baltimore's going to be a one or two point favorite 572 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: because they're at home. 573 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 7: That's a good question. I actually haven't checked the betting numbers. 574 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's that's fine and real quickly. I know 575 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: that you covered the Celtics a lot as well. I'm 576 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: surprised pleased with the Celtics. They look like a much 577 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: better team than maybe most of us thought come a 578 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: training camp last September. This team is they lost to 579 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: the Pistons last night. But the Pistons are a good team, 580 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: maybe one of the best in the league. I think 581 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 2: the Celtics are only going to get better. Any chance 582 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: that Jason Tatum might make a late season appearance for 583 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 2: this team, I saw that in the paper the other day. 584 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was your article. 585 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 7: Sure, So Brad Stevens actually talked about that this today 586 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 7: and he was saying that, you know, ultimately it's going 587 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 7: to be Tatum's decision, and he's going to come back, 588 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 7: you know, when he's percent healthy and feeling comfortable, and 589 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 7: also after he's hit some some thresholds Brad called them. 590 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 7: You know, there are some strength tests they need to 591 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 7: do with them he needs to be able to pass. 592 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 7: They're gonna need to ramp things up from unscripted things 593 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 7: in practice to you know, from scripted to unscripted to 594 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 7: you know, finally being able to just play in freelance. 595 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 7: So he's got several bars that he needs to hit 596 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 7: and it doesn't and it sounds like he's like several 597 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 7: steps away. It's not like it's an impending return. But 598 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 7: Brad all the point Brad also made it it was 599 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 7: he's like they could have applied for a disabled player 600 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 7: exception and tried to get someone else with some of 601 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 7: the salary money that they are paying Tatum this year, 602 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 7: and they didn't do that. So that that speaks to 603 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 7: me saying a little bit that there is some hope 604 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 7: that he might be able to come back down the stretch. 605 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it would be a tremendous athletic boost, 606 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: but also a psychological booster this team. I think it 607 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: will be boy if all of a sudden in March 608 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: he starts to play and play, well, let me tell you, 609 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: this team might go a lot deeper into the playoffs 610 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 2: than anybody ever ever could have possibly imagined. Karee, thank 611 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us tonight and talking to 612 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: a couple of sports. Maybe we'll get to get you 613 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: on the Red Sox soon, because obviously they haven't made 614 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: the big move yet. They've got a couple of moves, 615 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: a couple of pictures which I kind of like, but 616 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: I think they've got to make some moves more. They 617 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: have to make some more moves between now, certainly in 618 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: the beginning of the year. Thanks Kree, thank you so much. 619 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 4: Thanks man, I'd love it. 620 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 7: Talking Fox would be a dream. 621 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: It'll be a little closer to spring as well. Thank 622 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 2: you so much, appreciate it very much. We are now 623 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: standing by for the President's speech, which will come from 624 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: the Oval Office. We are within about a minute and 625 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: a half of it, so stay with us. We will 626 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: talk more about President Trump's speech with you right after. 627 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: If you like what you hear, we want to hear 628 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: from you. If you think you don't like what you hear, 629 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: we'd want to hear from you as well. Stay with 630 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: us right here at night side