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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in two Tony Pikes since e

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Speaker 2: three sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I am not

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike. My name is Austin Elmore. The big fella

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Speaker 2: is out today. He's feeling a little bit under the weather,

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Speaker 2: and I don't blame him. You know, the voice. He

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Speaker 2: was struggling to finish things up after doing six hours

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Speaker 2: of radio yesterday. He of course called the UC game

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Speaker 2: with Dan Hord out in the cold over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: had the Holy Grail on Sunday morning for pregame sports talk.

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Speaker 2: So his voice definitely needs a rest. And we'd like

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Speaker 2: to make fun of Tony and call him part time Pike.

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Speaker 2: But I've had this, Moe has had this. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of gone around between the three of us here at

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Speaker 2: the radio station and Tony feeling a little under the

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Speaker 2: weather today. So hopefully everything goes well for him today

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Speaker 2: and he's able to come back tomorrow. Tomorrow will be

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Speaker 2: our last show of the week. We'll have a carefully

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Speaker 2: curated edition of Sincy three to sixty that will air

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day and we'll try to keep that as

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Speaker 2: topical as possible ahead of Bengals Ravens MO. We'll have

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Speaker 2: pregame sports talk ahead of Bengals Ravens on Thanksgiving. Looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that, and Tony and myself are off on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Back to the regularly scheduled programming on Monday, typical Tuesday show. Today,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to joe Daniman at one pm from Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 2: He of course covering the Bengals. He was at Saint

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Speaker 2: x Elder over the weekend. I want to ask him

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Speaker 2: a little bit about that environment and so much more.

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Speaker 2: Always looking forward to our conversations with Joey D. Mo

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Speaker 2: Egger will join us hopefully at the end of the show.

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Speaker 2: Into the show is going to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: funky today. Why because Joe Burrow is going to speak

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Speaker 2: with the media now. Earlier this week it was sent

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Speaker 2: out the media schedule and who's supposed to talk and

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Speaker 2: win and the other day it said Bengals QB at

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Speaker 2: two forty five on Tuesday, and then yesterday that was

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday. So Joe is going to talk at two

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Speaker 2: forty five. Jamar Chase, who is back in the building,

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Speaker 2: is going to talk at three o'clock. MO and I

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Speaker 2: have discussed we're going to air both those press conferences.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Jamar coming off of his suspension, and Joe and

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Speaker 2: Jamar in their history in Baltimore, especially on Thursday night

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Speaker 2: games and big games, and this, if you look at

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Speaker 2: it through the perspective of the entirety of the season,

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Speaker 2: is a relatively big game and obviously means a lot

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Speaker 2: to Joe Burrow since he is going to be coming

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Speaker 2: back in and almost certainly starting this game on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Phone lines are open five one, three, seven, four nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. You can also tweet it me at Audi Elmore.

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Speaker 2: That's a U T Y E L M O R.

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Speaker 2: In addition to hearing from Joe Burrow and Joe Danoman

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Speaker 2: and perhaps even Moegger, we'll do our college basketball rewind.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk or we won't talk, but we'll hear from

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Speaker 2: what Richard Patino had to say. Their big win over

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Speaker 2: the weekend. We had to go all football yesterday. Didn't

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Speaker 2: get a chance to talk about that. Wes Miller in

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Speaker 2: his opening statement after Cincinnati got a ninety four sixty

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Speaker 2: seven win over n JI T last night at Fifth

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Speaker 2: Third Arena, and Darren Hornon, the head coach of the

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Speaker 2: NKU Norse NKU was trailing e KU by two at

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Speaker 2: I have a few snippets from Zach Taylor's Prescot conference

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Speaker 2: yesterday talking about Joe Burrow, talking about his decision on

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Speaker 2: I just think that that situation is once again going

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Speaker 2: story of the week. The story of the season really

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Speaker 2: know Tony and myself have said he's the best player,

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Speaker 2: he's healthy, there's six games to go, why not play

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Speaker 2: the man. I've seen differing opinions all over the place,

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Speaker 2: want to hear your reasons why or why not that

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Speaker 2: And I think I think it kind of comes down to,

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Speaker 2: do you value having a high draft pick? Do you

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Speaker 2: you value trying to win as many games as possible

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Speaker 2: and seeing what this team is supposed to look like

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Speaker 2: The offense for the most part has been relatively healthy.

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Speaker 2: Can't you see what this team looks like with Joe

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Speaker 2: with or without Joe Burrow, then where have you been.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that anything over the last six games

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Speaker 2: I had the conversation yesterday. You cannot allow a couple

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Speaker 2: Three and eight? First eleven games? You know what the

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Speaker 2: I would love to see some more Dejon Anthony. You

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Speaker 2: the knowledge that you've learned up until this point so

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Speaker 2: you know what it looks like without the ultimate equalizer

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Speaker 2: this city, and for good reason. When healthy, I think

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Speaker 2: He is what you build around. And I know that

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Speaker 2: the coaches and the staff, they don't look around thinking,

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Speaker 2: all right, we're good now that Joe's back, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter what happens will be okay. No, they're thinking, we

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Speaker 2: need to win some damn games to prove that this

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Speaker 2: isn't all our fault, to prove that maybe it is

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin and the bad players that were put on

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Speaker 2: the defense and not just the coaches. They feel the heat,

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Speaker 2: and they should feel the heat because it's been embarrassing

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Speaker 2: and they have something to prove as well. And as

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Speaker 2: get into that, you know, just a little bit, there

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Speaker 2: are still a difference between him and Joe Burrow, especially

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Speaker 2: in the way they play, but I think also in

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Speaker 2: the way that they lead, and I think the importance

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Speaker 2: not something you can place a direct value on. I

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Speaker 2: think the more you see these young players, these young

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Speaker 2: know what things are like when Joe is around, and

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Speaker 2: what is expected and the standard and how you approach

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Speaker 2: I think that's important. I think going up against him

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Speaker 2: every day in practice is important. I think that can

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Speaker 1: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Hey during Window Company on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Tony Pikes since e three sixty. I'm

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Speaker 2: Austin Holmore, the big fella out today. Hope he's feeling better.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Tony hopefully again tomorrow ahead of our

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Speaker 4: Hey, Austin, how are you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 4: Different perspective on the Joe Burrow should play or not,

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Speaker 4: And I'm operating under the same assumption that they are

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Speaker 4: The entire game, you're screaming, get up, pressed, pressed, Why

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Speaker 2: as that's concerned. As well. Let's go to Tim in

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Speaker 2: Dell High. What's up? Tim?

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Speaker 7: Hey? First of all, I was just wanting to say, hey,

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Speaker 7: you know, if you took the bet, you were wanting

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Speaker 7: free Sunday. What does San.

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Speaker 5: Asked all bet?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, anyway, listen, Uh, I don't I don't care.

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Speaker 8: I mean the.

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Speaker 7: I understand why Jee wants to play, because he needs

441
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Speaker 7: the raps and he wants to play. He's competitor. I

442
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Speaker 7: just this season is done. I mean, I want to

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Speaker 7: see changes because I'm fraid they went out. We're just

444
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Speaker 7: gonna get false houts again and they won't make no changes.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what your fear is. Yeah, I want.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know the last team seasons, well, we finished

447
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Speaker 7: strong as I was. Jae was healthy, but was Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 7: He he has to go. We got to make changes.

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Speaker 7: I had test play call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim, are you all right?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 2: Just just checking? Thank you for the phone call. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I like the previous caller, said Steven Montgomery said.

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Speaker 2: I operate under the assumption that they're not going to

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Speaker 2: move on from Zach Taylor. I just don't think that's

456
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Speaker 2: going to happen unless the next six games they get

457
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Speaker 2: it destroyed and embarrassed. And it feels like any progress

458
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Speaker 2: they made the last two weeks goes back in the

459
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Speaker 2: opposite direction. I don't think some of the decisions that

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Speaker 2: Zach and his coaching staff have made this year would

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Speaker 2: have been made if they didn't think they were safe.

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Speaker 2: That's just the way I feel about that, and so

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Speaker 2: I also expect Mike Brown to be patient. I expect

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Speaker 2: the ownership group to be patient. I think they believe

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Speaker 2: in Zach Taylor right, wrong or indifferent, that's my guess

466
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Speaker 2: onto how they view this situation. And so if you

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Speaker 2: operate under the assumption that the coaching staff will not

468
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Speaker 2: be adjusted, I think that is part of this whole

469
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Speaker 2: thing as well. How do they improve, how do they

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Speaker 2: get more out of the out of their players, and

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Speaker 2: how can they prove that they should stick around or

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Speaker 2: that there shouldn't be changes, or can they develop? And

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Speaker 2: that whole side of things I think is really important.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not operating under the assumption that there's going

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Speaker 2: to be wholesale changes. I would love nothing more than

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals to part ways with Duke Tobin and

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Speaker 2: to bring someone in from the outside who might have

478
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Speaker 2: a little bit more experience with the intricacies of the

479
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Speaker 2: salary cap and evaluation and scouting and can kind of

480
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Speaker 2: put together a system that can maybe work considering the

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Speaker 2: circumstances within the Bengals. I would love for that to happen,

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Speaker 2: but I don't expect it to happen. I would love

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Speaker 2: for them to hire Sean McVeagh. That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: So just operating with what I think is the most

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Speaker 2: likely scenario is the only thing I really have to

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Speaker 2: go off of. Let's go to Boston. Let's talk to John. Hello,

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Speaker 2: John Austin, how are you. I'm hanging in there, man,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 9: We're doing okay, just getting ready for Thanksgiving. I wish

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Speaker 9: you and yours a happy Thanksgiving obviously, thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 9: First of all, when I think Steve two calls before

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Speaker 9: nailed it as far as the reps and playing, et cetera.

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Speaker 9: Because Joe's only played six quarters this season and he

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Speaker 9: doesn't play the rest of the year, he would have

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Speaker 9: played six quarters from the end of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: four seasons to the start of the twenty twenty six season.

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Speaker 6: That does no one any good.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he talked about it when he was at

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Speaker 9: Ohio State when he was at LSU with the Bengals reps, reps, reps.

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Speaker 9: He wants to get better every day. That's how you

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Speaker 9: get better in all of our jobs we do. The

502
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Speaker 9: more you host your show, the better you get. Just

503
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Speaker 9: a lot more reps make it a lot better. So

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Speaker 9: that is one component why I want to see him play.

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Speaker 9: The other thing is that you touched on the injuries.

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Speaker 9: Those injuries he had our fluke injuries, and they're like

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Speaker 9: car crash injuries. It's not like he showed up the

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Speaker 9: camp twenty pounds overweight and pull the hamstring.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: The last injury, which I think only detailed the.

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Speaker 9: Day after the injury, he took the snap, tried to

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Speaker 9: go to Jamar Chase on a slant. The corner jumped

513
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Speaker 9: the route. It within one point three seconds of the snap.

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Speaker 9: There were three defenders cascading in his lower extremities. That

515
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Speaker 9: toe popped out. I don't know what he's supposed to

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Speaker 9: do other than what happened. You know, he's not a sideboard,

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Speaker 9: so obviously the injuries are concerned. But also let's not

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Speaker 9: forget if he finishes this season with six straight starts,

519
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Speaker 9: he will have made eighty four starts in six years.

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Speaker 9: It's not like he's missed eighty percent of the games.

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Speaker 9: I mean essentially misses three to four games a year,

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Speaker 9: which is not good.

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Speaker 6: That's not good. It's about the same rate as Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: It's not like he's.

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Speaker 9: Out from you know, extending periods of time. It's just

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Speaker 9: when the injuries take place to be problematic. So I

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Speaker 9: think that's obviously a thing that gets oberrated. And my

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Speaker 9: final point is, I know people talk naturally and probably

529
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Speaker 9: in Cincinnati about the fact that you know this is

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Speaker 9: the roster you get when you pay your stars so

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Speaker 9: much money. Well, Joe Burrow, Chase Brown, Jamar Chase, and

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Speaker 9: t Biggans are their four offensive weapons. They make the

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Speaker 9: same amount of money as Jalen Hurts, Tae.

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Speaker 6: Kwon Barkley, A J. Brown, and Devonte Smith.

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Speaker 9: So pick those four players from the Bengals off the roster,

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Speaker 9: take the four Eagles players out of the equation. How

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Speaker 9: did Philadelphia build a roster while paying the four guys

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Speaker 9: the same amount of money that Cincinnati pays him. They

539
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Speaker 9: just draft a lot better and they develop a lot better.

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Speaker 9: So it can be done. And as you've talked about

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Speaker 9: several times, they're what ten twelve million under the payroll

542
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Speaker 9: right now under the sas under the limit, so they

543
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Speaker 9: can spend more money. It's just it's it's such an

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Speaker 9: easy excuse to say, oh, paying a quarterback. Well, when

545
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Speaker 9: they have a quarterback like that, you pay him. You

546
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Speaker 9: have a receiver like that, you pay him. And it's

547
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Speaker 9: it's just all these false narratives that go out there,

548
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Speaker 9: and I think that I just want to see the

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Speaker 9: guy play. I mean, my favorite player, and I just

550
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Speaker 9: think for the next six weeks it's going to be

551
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Speaker 9: blast to see him play, makes the sport much more interesting,

552
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Speaker 9: and he's going to scare the hell out of people

553
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Speaker 9: because I know last week at this time, I was

554
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Speaker 9: talking to some people in Boston like, we don't want.

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Speaker 6: To see him come out on Sunday, you know, we

556
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Speaker 6: fear him.

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Speaker 9: And I still think if he plays, and if if

558
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 9: you watch Chase played last Sunday, they probably win that

559
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 9: game because the Patriots weren't very good and Cincinnati's defense

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Speaker 9: looked Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: Let's enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny can be that simple thank you for the

564
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: phone call, And it really can be that simple. It

565
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: can be that simple as Hey, I want my favorite player,

566
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Speaker 2: my best player, to play. I like watching watching him

567
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Speaker 2: play football. I like him and seeing him and Jamar

568
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Chase do cool things. I mean, how many players over

569
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: the course of the Bengals history would you do anything

570
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Speaker 2: to watch them play one more game? I think about

571
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: that with Corey Dillon. I think about that with Chad Johnson.

572
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: I was at Chad's last home game and and I

573
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: think he had like two catches for thirty five yards.

574
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Speaker 2: Like I would love I would do anything to watch

575
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Speaker 2: one more game with Chad Johnson playing. Listen, this stuff

576
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: goes quick. Man Like Burrow already in his sixth season

577
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: in the National Football League, Like, I don't want to

578
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: throw away any games. I don't want to just move

579
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: on now into the year. This year, Miles Garrett probably

580
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: going for the NFL record in sacks. I have no

581
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Speaker 2: interest in Joe Burrow playing that game. That's completely pointless.

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Speaker 3: But like.

583
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Speaker 2: I still I want to see the best players play.

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Speaker 2: That's what's fun about being a football fan. Like it

585
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: can be that simple, Like how many great players have

586
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Speaker 2: the Bengals had over the course of their existence that

587
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Speaker 2: make you think, Man, I was a great player. I

588
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: wish I could watch them play one more time. I

589
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Speaker 2: wish I could see Ken Riley streaking down the sideline

590
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Speaker 2: on a pick six. I wish I could see Lamar

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Speaker 2: Parris return a punt. I wish I could see aj

592
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Speaker 2: Green go up over top of somebody in hall in

593
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Speaker 2: a touchdown. I wish I could see Chad Johnson shake

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Speaker 2: somebody at the top of a route and cross across

595
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Speaker 2: the field, beat a dude to the end zone and

596
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Speaker 2: have some crazy touchdown celebration.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could see vontees Berfect knock the snot

599
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Speaker 2: out of a Pittsburgh Steeler again. Those are the things

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Speaker 2: that you want, and sometimes it can be as simple

601
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Speaker 2: as I want to. I want to watch the best

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Speaker 2: players play football. Take a break, we'll be back. This

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Speaker 2: the things to look forward to during the summer. But

649
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Speaker 2: Sonny Gray on the move today too. The Boston Red Sox.

650
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: Boston's gonna be an interesting team next year. By the way,

651
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Speaker 2: I think we're one hundred and twenty two days away

652
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Speaker 2: from Opening day, pitchers and catchers reporting. In just a

653
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: couple of months, there have been a couple of trades

654
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: across Major League Baseball, nothing crazy. I'm really curious to

655
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: see what the Reds do because they do have some

656
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: money to spend, if you believe what Nick Crawl said

657
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: in their idea of building this team kind of along

658
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: the same lines as last year. I know that they

659
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: avoided arbitration with Sam Mall and signed him to a

660
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: team friendly deal, and I think that's one of the

661
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: important parts of the offseason is getting left handed pitch

662
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: and bullpen pitching specifically, that I think is going to

663
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Speaker 2: be where most of the money is spent. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be on those bullpen arms. We've talked about that extensively.

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Speaker 2: I don't really expect them to do much in terms

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Speaker 2: of getting an offensive player. I think that they fully

667
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Speaker 2: believe in Chris Valaka. I think that they fully believe

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Speaker 2: in Chris Valaka's ability to turn people around, and they

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Speaker 2: are really giving him the reins to the entire organization. Now,

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Speaker 2: you may or may not agree with that. I don't

671
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: know that I agree with it. I'm pretty sure I don't.

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Speaker 2: But the Reds have been pretty open about what they

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Speaker 2: plan to do with this organization and what the plan

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Speaker 2: is under Nick Krawl, It's to spend one hundred to

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million dollars. It's to get young

676
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: athletic middle infielders and outfielders and to use their athleticism

677
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Speaker 2: to sprinkle them around to different positions and to just

678
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of continually keep that train rolling. And Nick Krawl

679
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: has said he wants to eliminate peaks and valleys, which

680
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: means they want to kind of be about the same

681
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: team every year. They don't want to have these dips

682
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: and they don't want to have these peaks. You know,

683
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Speaker 2: we don't want to win ninety seven games a year.

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Speaker 2: We'd rather win like eighty five every single year. Like

685
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: that's kind of what they're telling you, and that's how

686
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: they feel like they can win and how they feel

687
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: like is the only option. And on top of that,

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00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: they are a team that does not believe in hitting

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Speaker 2: home runs. They don't believe in hitting for power. They've

690
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Speaker 2: talked about how some of their more powerful players in

691
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: their system, including Sal Stewart, is working on losing weight

692
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: and becoming more athletic. Talked about that with Hector Rodriguez

693
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: as well, like, this is who the Reds are, this

694
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: is what they believe, this is how they're going to

695
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: approach it. Whether or not you agree with it, it's

696
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: the unfortunate reaction. And I think Nick Carl kind of

697
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: said something along the lines of you got in a

698
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: lot of ways draft and develop your pitching and at

699
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: times overpay for pitchers to get them to come to

700
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: Great American Ballpark because of the size of the park.

701
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 2: So he'll say that out of one side of his mouth,

702
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: and then on the other side of the mouth he'll say, well,

703
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 2: we're working on these guys losing some weight and getting

704
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: in shape so we can put the ball in play.

705
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Speaker 2: That is their philosophy, and because of that, they're not

706
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: going to make a run at Kyle Schwarber. They're not

707
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: going to make a run at anybody who hits a

708
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: lot of home runs. What I find most interesting is

709
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Speaker 2: is kind of going back to last season, Terry Francona

710
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: threw the brakes on when it comes to running the bases.

711
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: They weren't stealing bases, they weren't as aggressive on the

712
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Speaker 2: bass paths. And if you're not going to be a

713
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Speaker 2: team that hits extra base hits, that hits home runs,

714
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Speaker 2: if you're going to be a put the ball in

715
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Speaker 2: play and hit singles type of organization, which is what

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Speaker 2: I feel their organizational philosophy is, well, then you got

717
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: to be able to to steal some bases, You got

718
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: to be able to take that extra base. You got

719
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Speaker 2: to be willing to toe the line between reckless and

720
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Speaker 2: aggressive on the base path. And I hope that Terry

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Speaker 2: Francona does a better job with that this year, because

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Speaker 2: there was many things last year that I found myself

723
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: scratching my head at Francona's decision making and throwing the

724
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: brakes on. The run game was probably the biggest one,

725
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: because that's how they score runs, and repeatedly, over and

726
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over again,

727
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: they were leaving understranded and they were scoring three or

728
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: fewer runs every night, and that was just a maddening

729
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: brand of baseball to watch, and I hope that they

730
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: make some serious, serious gains this year when it comes

731
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Speaker 2: to just working the counts and getting guys on base

732
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: and actually stealing bases so that it's a much more

733
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Speaker 2: fun product to watch. Did not enjoy that this past year.

734
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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll take a break. We'll come back, Joe

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Speaker 2: Dana ten minutes from now on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen to thirty. Welcome back to Tony Pike since

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Speaker 2: three sixty, ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore coming up

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Speaker 2: in about five minutes, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen. He will

739
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Speaker 2: talk Bengals with us and a little bit of everything else.

740
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: He was at say Nex Elder Friday night in what

741
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: looked to be an incredible atmosphere at pay Course Stadium.

742
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: I want to ask him a little bit about that.

743
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: Other news of the day, the semi finalists for the

744
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame induction were announced.

745
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: One former Bengal, Willie Anderson, on the list. He joins

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Speaker 2: others like Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Eli Manning, Reggie,

747
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: Wayne Jason Witten, who is not a Hall of Famer,

748
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Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison, Luke Keikley speaking of Saint X, Vince will Ford,

749
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Speaker 2: Adam Vinterteri, Darren Williams, Terrell Suggs. You remember Tis Sizzle

750
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: playing with the Ravens all those years. A bunch of

751
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: finalists announced and our semi finalists announced. Willie, of course,

752
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: Big Willy Anderson was a finalist last year in the

753
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. That is always announced on

754
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: the Saturday before the Super Bowl. Who is going in?

755
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: So looking forward to hearing about that and hoping the

756
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: best for Big Willie. All Right, we'll take a break,

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00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: we'll come back. We'll talk to Joey d next. Right

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Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty uc k.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our two of Tony Pikes since

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Speaker 2: E three p. Sixty Here on ESPN fifteen thirty, I'm

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Speaker 2: Austin Elmore. You might be wondering where on God's green

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00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Earth is Tony. He's still employed. He's just a little

770
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: under the weather today. So it's just me, hopefully the

771
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: big Fellow back tomorrow. But the show goes on, and

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Speaker 2: every Tuesday we talk to our guy, Joey d Joe

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Speaker 2: Daniman from Fox nineteen who joins us. Now, Joe, have

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Speaker 2: you begun your preparations for Thanksgiving?

775
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Speaker 5: I have, and by my preparations, Austin, that means running

776
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 5: extra miles every single day, so I don't feel guilty

777
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: about the crime I'm going to commit on Thursday at

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00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 5: the Thanksgiving table ahead of the Bengals in the Raven Gag.

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Speaker 5: To me, Thanksgiving is the best holiday of the year

780
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: with I love Christmas. I love Christmas, but Thanksgiving comes

781
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 5: with it what I feel are the two best gifts

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00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: to men, food and football, and they come with an

783
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Speaker 5: overflowing amount on Thursday. I can't wait. What a huge

784
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 5: Thursday it is for Cincinnati. Everybody gets to eat and

785
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 5: then everybody gets to watch Joe Burrow make his return

786
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 5: on Thursday night football. Happy Thanksgiving, Austin. What a night

787
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Speaker 5: it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, Happy Thanksgiving to you, Joe, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: being here, and we're thankful for your presence on this

790
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: show each and every day. Before we get to Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you, how on how many miles a

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Speaker 2: day do you normally run? And are you the type

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Speaker 2: of person that does a turkey trot on Thanksgiving morning?

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00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So I've been training for it because when I was younger,

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00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 5: I was a competitive runner, and I think when you're

797
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 5: a competitive runner, you have a hard time taking that

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00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 5: competition out of your soul. So even when you're in

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Speaker 5: your forties and you're out running leisurely, you're always racing

800
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 5: against something. I can't turn it off, so I'm always

801
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 5: racing against the clock. So this year I decided to

802
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 5: set a target, and I was preparing for it and

803
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 5: I feel great about it. And then two nights ago

804
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: I saw the forecast for Thursday morning and I'm now

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00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 5: officially spooked and I'm on defense. I'm actually going to

806
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 5: do the race. You're talking temperatures in the twenties with

807
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: fifteen mile per hour winds and wind guts even higher. A.

808
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: That's miserable. B. I think it would prevent me from

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00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: running the time I want to run, So I might

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Speaker 5: be like Ryan Rico and drop back about fifteen yards

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Speaker 5: a punt on Thursday morning, even though I'm ready, I

812
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 5: will wait, but I'm sure it's going to allow me

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Speaker 5: to the forecast.

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00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 2: I would share the same advice with you that I

816
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: share with Bengals fans who fear the return of Joe

817
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: Burrow and getting hurt again, and that is that you

818
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: cannot live a life out of fear. You only have

819
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: one life and one opportunity. Why Joe Burrow, Why now?

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00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: Why is this all happening the way it's happening.

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Speaker 5: Well, Number one, I think he's earned it, okay, And

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Speaker 5: I think it's okay for everybody in this discussion, and

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Speaker 5: that's everybody listening to this show. I'm sure has had

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Speaker 5: an opinion on Joe Burrow. Should he come back, should

825
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: he not come back? When's the right time for him

826
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Speaker 5: to come back? And I'm going to get a lot

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Speaker 5: of your listeners, or a lot like me, who have

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Speaker 5: changed their opinion on this and aren't really sure where

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Speaker 5: to land. And I think that's all right, because you know,

830
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 5: we grew up in the and the Jim Rome. Have

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Speaker 5: a take and don't suck world of radio. Right, you

832
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 5: have to land on one side, debate it and be

833
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: strong in that stance. But I kind of see both

834
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Speaker 5: sides of this one, the pros and cop of Joe

835
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Speaker 5: Burrow's return. Ultimately, I'll go back to what I said

836
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Speaker 5: at the start of your question, which was I believe

837
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Speaker 5: he's earned it. When this happened, we were all thinking

838
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: a mid December or b the season is going to

839
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Speaker 5: be so far gone by then that there's no point.

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Speaker 5: We'll see you in twenty twenty six. But Joe Burrow

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00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: has worked maniacally to give himself a chance to come

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00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: back and play football. And if he's given and he

843
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: has been given a clean bill to go out and play,

844
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Speaker 5: that he's fully healthy one hundred percent, that I think

845
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Speaker 5: he deserves to play if he wants to play, and

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00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: Joe wants to play, and so I think now is

847
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: the time, and not Sunday against the Patriots, just because

848
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: of the short turnaround from Sunday to Thursday, and the

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00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: Bengals don't know how the toe is going to react

850
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 5: when you get it out there, because, look, you can

851
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 5: do about eighty percent of everything a quarterback has to

852
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 5: do to get ready to play in a game, But

853
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 5: that last twenty percent you can't simulate in practice. You

854
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 5: can't simulate with anything. That's when he's in the game.

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00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 5: The pockets, muddy bodies are near him, on the ground,

856
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 5: near his arm, how does he escape, does he take sacks?

857
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 5: And he tried to make plays that kind of instinct.

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00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 5: You can't simulate that until you get into a game.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure they knew how he was going

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Speaker 5: to react from Sunday to Thursday playing a game. So

861
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 5: that's why I think Thursday night to night and not

862
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 5: Sunday against the Patriots. We all understand the Bengals playoff chances,

863
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 5: but I think most importantly Joe has earned this, and

864
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 5: I think his presence matters. And I think and we

865
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 5: can debate this too. Certainly a coaching staff that needs

866
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: to be evaluated when they have their quarterback on the field.

867
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. Now, there's been a lot

868
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: made of the Flacco offense compared to the Burrow offense. Well,

869
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Flacco can't move. The Bengals probably want to protect Burrow

870
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: a little bit, not only from defenders but from himself.

871
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: Do you think there's going to be that big of

872
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: a difference in the actual structure of the offense from

873
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco to Joe Burrow.

874
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 5: I think there will be changes. I think if you

875
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 5: go back and listen to what Zach Taylor said on

876
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 5: Monday when he was asked about that directly, he didn't

877
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 5: come out fully and say yes, but he didn't come

878
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 5: out fully and say no. So I think there are

879
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 5: going to be some slight variations to what Joe Burrow

880
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 5: does on Thursday night. For me, I go back to

881
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 5: think about Peyton Manning and near the end of his career,

882
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 5: and it was something we probably all laughed at, but

883
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 5: when there was any pressure near Peyton Manning at the

884
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 5: end of his career, he would just fall to the ground. Yeah,

885
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 5: like a folded launch carriage to take a stack. And

886
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 5: that's not in Joe Burrow's DNA. I get that, that's

887
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 5: not who he is, that's not how he plays the game.

888
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: So for me to sit here and talk about it

889
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 5: might be a waste of time. But I think there's

890
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 5: probably a happy medium where you don't just play dead

891
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: in the backfield like Peyton Manning did, but you also

892
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 5: don't try to be who Daney like Joe Burrow has

893
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 5: been for so many years now. I know it's hard

894
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 5: to tell the guy to play the game differently, but

895
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 5: maybe you do have to tell the guy to play

896
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 5: the game just a little bit differently to start to

897
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 5: see what it looks like, until he feels one hundred

898
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 5: percent comfortable that the toe is okay, the mechanism he's

899
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: wearing an his shoe is functional, and that he can

900
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: go out there and forget about it and start playing

901
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 5: football like we've seen him play. That's a hard thing.

902
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 5: How it looks different, Will it look different? We won't

903
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 5: know until Thursday night, but I do think reading between

904
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: the lines a little bit of hearing Zach Taylor talk,

905
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: they're aware of that, and I think you might see

906
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 5: some changes, maybe at least in theory, on Thursday night,

907
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 5: before the live bullets starts flying and Joe Burrow starts playing.

908
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: The Bengals defense has a long way to go, but

909
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: they are at least showing signs of improvement, a little

910
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: bit of progress over the last couple of weeks. What

911
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: stands out to you about the defense and how they've

912
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: gotten better against Pittsburgh and New England.

913
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. To me, it's about evaluation now of individual players

914
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 5: and seeing which one of those players you can count

915
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: on in twenty twenty six. You know, if you start

916
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 5: just in the defensive backfield, I think you can count on. Certainly,

917
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 5: DJ Turners had a great year. I know Dak still

918
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 5: got picked on a little bit Sunday, but I think

919
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 5: he's a guy you can count on as a future

920
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 5: player for this team. We'll see what happens with this

921
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 5: contract going forward, but certainly he's played his way into

922
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 5: a guy that I believe the Bengals believe in. And

923
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 5: certainly with Cam Taylor, Brin's future and how very much

924
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: up in the air, I think you like those two

925
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 5: guys at least going forward. But looking in the front seven, right,

926
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 5: you're looking defensive line, You're looking linebackers. We've talked so

927
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 5: much about the linebackers and what they're trying to do

928
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 5: with Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter. Barret Carter had a

929
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: good game on Sunday. Yet if you look back and

930
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 5: look at the statue'll see he had sixteen tackles. I

931
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: don't know what the mistackle number was, but it was

932
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 5: very small as none zero zero zero. There you go.

933
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: So so that's the number. So he played a better game.

934
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 5: And the other guy that I think has started to

935
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 5: flash a little bit and it took a long time,

936
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: is Miles Murphy. And here's Miles Murphy. He's had a

937
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 5: couple of nice games back to back, and what you're

938
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 5: looking for from Miles Murphy is and I go back

939
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: to this, and the guy that comes to mind with

940
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 5: me is is a guy like Peter Warick. Peter Warick

941
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 5: was a good Cincinnati Bengal but was often in the

942
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 5: crosshairs of criticism because of where he was drafted. You know,

943
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 5: if Miles Murphy was a fifth or sixth round pick,

944
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 5: we would see a guy right now and say, okay,

945
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 5: there's a guy who now has a runway of the

946
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 5: next six weeks to prove he can be a guy

947
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 5: who can produce and be a contributor on this team

948
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 5: and maybe even earn the final six weeks a spot

949
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 5: is a starter next year. But the fact that he

950
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 5: was a first rounder, and the fact that first rounders

951
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 5: come with higher expectations, He's played well under expectation his

952
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 5: entire care here in Cincinnati. But you've seen the last

953
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 5: couple of weeks and flashes, and I think that's what

954
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: you want to see individually from the defense overall. Now,

955
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 5: I know as a whole the run defense has been better.

956
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: We saw them show some guts, show some fight at

957
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 5: the goal line several plays against the New England Patriots. Now,

958
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 5: are the New England Patriots just a good fit for

959
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 5: the Bengals defense to look better because they aren't just

960
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 5: an explosive offense. Perhaps, and I think maybe you get

961
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 5: a better test of that the next three weeks with

962
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 5: the Ravens twice and the Bills. But I think you

963
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 5: are seeing signs of individual players showing small bits of growth,

964
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 5: and I think that's what's important in the second half

965
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 5: of the season. Here the final six weeks, the guys

966
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 5: like Miles Murphy, Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter showing signs that

967
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 5: they can be contributors and counted on.

968
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, who plays another snap for the

969
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Bengals first, Jermaine Burton or Trey Henderson.

970
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 5: Well, oh, that's such a great question, Austen. I'll go

971
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson, even though I'm not sure he's going to

972
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 5: play another snap because I think the Jermaine Burton story

973
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: is just kind of sailed.

974
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: At this point.

975
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 5: He can't be counted on, and the Bengals have made

976
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 5: it very clear what they think of him and his

977
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 5: status with the Bengals going forward. Even when he was

978
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 5: asked the question about him on Monday, Zach Taylor took

979
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 5: the question and basically drove it to a different path

980
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 5: of talking about a completely different player when asked about

981
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 5: Jermaine Burton, the Trey Hendrickson thing is going to be

982
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: so fascinating because you know who's winning the Trey Hendrickson

983
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: air down here, right, Because I don't want to bury

984
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 5: the guy. Because while there hasn't been a ton of

985
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 5: information about his injury and we haven't seen a lot

986
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 5: of them inside the locker room and around the facility,

987
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 5: we are led to believe the guy is actually injured

988
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: and can't play. Another question is okay If he is

989
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 5: that injured and Zach comes out every week at the

990
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: start of the week and says he's dout for or out,

991
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 5: why is he not on IR And that's a great

992
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 5: question for people to ask, and we don't have a

993
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 5: great answer because it hasn't been given to us. But

994
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 5: as this starts to lead into twenty twenty six and

995
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 5: this upcoming offseason, which is going to be so important

996
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: on so many different levels, but most importantly, it's finding

997
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 5: personnel on defense for this defense to take a step

998
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six. You think back to last year

999
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 5: in the comments Mike Brown made about negotiating with Trey

1000
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 5: Henderson and how difficult that is. I just am so

1001
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 5: fascinated what it's going to look like this coming offseason

1002
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 5: with the option to tag him, and it would almost

1003
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 5: feel like a tag out of spite for Trey Hendrickson.

1004
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 5: So this could get messy again in the offseason with

1005
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson, But certainly the lesser of the two that

1006
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 5: have a chance to play, I would think would be

1007
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: Jermaine Burton. I just will see a pat for him

1008
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 5: being active the rest of the season, and at least

1009
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 5: there is a glimmer that Trey Hendrickson might want to

1010
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 5: get out there against some bad teams in the final

1011
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: couple of weeks and pat his stats a little bit

1012
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 5: and look good in the offseason.

1013
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Last Bengals question for you, how do they beat Baltimore Thanksgiving? Night.

1014
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: Well, Baltimore just hasn't looked great. And so I go

1015
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 5: back to what I said last week against New England,

1016
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 5: and I didn't think New England was built to blow

1017
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: the Bengals out, So I thought they would have a

1018
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 5: chance in the fourth quarter, and there they were without

1019
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: Literally there are four best players, Joe Burrow, Jamar J. T. Higgins,

1020
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson in the final couple of minutes and they

1021
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 5: had the ball near the scoring zone to go ahead

1022
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 5: and beat the team tied to the best record in football.

1023
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 5: Now that's New England, right. I think we all are

1024
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 5: smart enough to say, Okay, New England, great story, great record,

1025
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: certainly deserving of being a playoff team. I'm not sure

1026
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 5: we'd go as far as saying they're an elite team

1027
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 5: or a super Bowl team. Baltimore has that capability, and

1028
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 5: Baltimore has started to figure it out with some scheme

1029
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 5: change defensively since since the middle weeks of the season,

1030
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 5: and they've taken off on that side of the ball.

1031
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 5: The question is, where's the explosion on offense? Why hasn't

1032
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson accounted for a touchdown in two weeks against

1033
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets. You know,

1034
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 5: teams go through stretches like this and oftentimes it's predicated

1035
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 5: on their quarterback and his health. Something's off with Lamar.

1036
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 5: What it is, I don't know. I know he was

1037
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 5: coming back from the hamstring. Now he's got a toe problem.

1038
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 5: He's not playing at Lamar Jackson level. So you know,

1039
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 5: the offensive fireworks were used to sing with Joe Burrow

1040
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 5: and Lamar Jackson on Thursday nights, and going back to

1041
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 5: last year, I would point people to go look at

1042
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: that box score and look what those quarterbacks did last

1043
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: year on Thursday Night. Did was awesome football to watch,

1044
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 5: but too just elite quarterbacks. I'm not sure we're going

1045
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: to get that because we know Joe. Look, the Bengals

1046
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: have won seven consecutive games with Joe when he starts

1047
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 5: a game, But we know when Joe starts seasons or

1048
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 5: comes back from injuries, he often starts low. So I

1049
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: don't know what to expect from Burrow on Thursday Night,

1050
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 5: and certainly don't know what to expect from the Ravens offense.

1051
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: So I think the pass for the Bengals to win

1052
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: this game is that the Ravens continue to scuffle and

1053
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 5: get in their own way on offense, and Joe Burrow

1054
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 5: and Jamar Chase can find that magic they've often had

1055
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 5: against the Baltimore Ravens. And I think that's that's a

1056
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 5: plausible thing, that that's not a far fetched thing to

1057
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 5: sit here and think that the Bengals can go challenge

1058
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 5: the Ravens at offense that just hasn't looked good for

1059
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks and try to get a win

1060
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 5: on Thanksgiving night.

1061
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen, I know this is

1062
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: kind of old news now, but I want to ask

1063
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: you about it. The Saint ex Elder game at pay

1064
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: Court Stadium. What was that environment? Like, how much fun

1065
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: was that for you? You as someone who you know

1066
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: isn't taking a side but just kind of got to

1067
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 2: soak it all in and cover that event.

1068
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and someone who's from here and understands what it

1069
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 5: means the high school football that is in the Tri

1070
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 5: State area. You know, It's funny because I talk often,

1071
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 5: you know, to high school kids and college kids about

1072
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 5: my job, and and a lot of times kids will

1073
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 5: ask me if you ever thought about going to a

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Speaker 5: different city, And the hardest thing for me to leave

1075
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 5: would be the high school football and high school sports

1076
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 5: scene in Cincinnati. It means so much to people. Uh,

1077
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 5: the community is so strong in that in our area.

1078
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: It's it's a bit unique to our city, to our region,

1079
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 5: to our state. So so that that's the one thing

1080
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 5: that that I love about Cincinnati and to see it

1081
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 5: on display, listen, if you're going to make the commitment

1082
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 5: to move a game that felt that big. Look the

1083
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: two big brands right a Saint accent Elder and the

1084
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 5: biggest football stadium. It's a great headline. But then the

1085
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 5: game has to deliver. And the game delivered, and the

1086
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 5: crowd delivered, and the atmosphere delivered. Like I want you

1087
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 5: to picture in your mind, it rained all the way

1088
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 5: up to kick off, and it then was misty during

1089
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 5: the game and there was a fog in the air.

1090
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 5: The lower bowl was almost completely full. And a lot

1091
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 5: of times when you put these teams in these huge stadiums,

1092
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 5: like when Ohio Stadium was hosting the state championship games,

1093
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 5: it just felt empty. It felt cavernous, like you would

1094
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 5: take shots of these teams playing and you would see

1095
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 5: nothing but empty seats. But if you go back and

1096
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 5: you look at the highlights of that game, all the

1097
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 5: seats behind the players were full, and it just added

1098
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 5: an aura to what was a great game. And then

1099
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 5: the two teams combined seventy six points. There are a

1100
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 5: listers on the sideline. You know, I got to talk

1101
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 5: trash a little bit to Dave Portnoy. That was funny,

1102
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 5: funny story if you want to hear it.

1103
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my next question.

1104
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 5: Portnoy walked in and I had been tipped off that Portnoy,

1105
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 5: Brady Quinn, Matt Linert, and Urban Meyer were all showing up,

1106
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 5: and I said, listen, I mean, what an amazing open

1107
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 5: shot to the highlights it would be to see that

1108
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: quartet walking down the tunnel towards the field. And so

1109
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: by the time I get there, I'm told, Okay, Portnoy's

1110
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: showing up early because he's shooting a bit for Big

1111
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 5: Noon on Fox, and then the other guys are going

1112
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 5: to show up later, and Urban actually never did show up.

1113
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 5: But so I get the shot at Portnoy walking in,

1114
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: and then he goes and does his bit, and then

1115
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 5: I'm told that Brady Quinn are coming. So I go

1116
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 5: back into the hallway and Portnoy's down there was I

1117
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 5: guess what was his social media team, and the guy

1118
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 5: was showing him the clip that I put on Twitter,

1119
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 5: and he had no idea that I was the guy

1120
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 5: who shot it and was standing two feet from it

1121
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 5: and he's looking at his phone and he says, Gus,

1122
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 5: they made me look like Joe Burrow walking into this place.

1123
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 5: And I said, hey, that was a great shot. Well

1124
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, it's a great shot. I'm like, well,

1125
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: it came from this camera right here. And he got

1126
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 5: a kick out of that. So we had a good

1127
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 5: time with it. And you know, he was talking, you

1128
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 5: know about Michigan and about Ohio state, that kind of thing,

1129
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 5: and some guy yelled to him, oh, and he looked

1130
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 5: at me. He said, are those the only letters that

1131
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 5: people in this state know? I have the biggest shake

1132
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 5: out of that. So he was a good sport. Was

1133
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 5: a lot of fun with it. And to have those

1134
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 5: guys on the sideline and be part of it, I

1135
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: think added to the moment and certainly to the experience.

1136
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 5: You think about the high school student sections. All those

1137
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 5: kids wanted pictures, wanted a moment with fort noise, So

1138
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 5: it was a cool thing.

1139
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: Well before I let you go. You mentioned it, Ohio

1140
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: State Michigan coming up this weekend on Fox. Who You Got?

1141
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 5: So I was having some fun yesterday inside the Bengals

1142
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 5: locker room, and I'll tell you that you know it's

1143
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 5: going to be the eye roll again, but there is

1144
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 5: a different energy about the room. When Joe gets back.

1145
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 5: He has a presence. Listen, man, that presence is real.

1146
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 5: Like those young players that they see him walk in

1147
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 5: that room and they see him back and guys raise

1148
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 5: their game. They understand the standard of Joe Burrow being around.

1149
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 5: So there's a different energy, a different vibe in the room.

1150
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 5: But I was curious to talk to Chris Jenkins and

1151
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 5: DJ Turner about whatever the special secret sauce that Michigan

1152
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 5: has had the last four years against Ohio State, because

1153
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 5: as I told Chris, and you know, he nodded along

1154
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 5: with me, it feels like every time Ohio State plays

1155
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 5: this game, they're they're ranked higher, they're they're favored to win,

1156
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 5: and then they kind of get on the field with

1157
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 5: Michigan and it starts to turn on them, and you

1158
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 5: wonder if it's an oh no, here it comes again

1159
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 5: kind of feeling. And Chris made a good point Christy

1160
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 5: and Chris Jenkins. He said, I feel like when we

1161
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 5: get on and we, being Michigan, get on the field

1162
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 5: with Ohio State, we're the team that isn't afraid of them,

1163
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 5: and they sense that. And when Ohio State walks out

1164
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 5: there and they throw their jersey and their helmet on

1165
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 5: the field, teams are afraid they're going to get run

1166
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 5: out of the building. And with the physicality and the

1167
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 5: confidence that Michigan brings to the game, he feels like

1168
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 5: that affects Ohio State, their players, and their coaches. Has

1169
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 5: Ryan Day figured it out? That's the question, right, Has

1170
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 5: Ryan Day figured out how to coach this game? And

1171
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 5: are his two star wide receivers at or near one

1172
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 5: hundred percent or good enough to be difference makers in

1173
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 5: this game? Are the two biggest keys. If those things

1174
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 5: are figured out, Ohio State wins. If not, Michigan with

1175
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 5: Jordan Marshall, the pride of moll Or High School are

1176
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 5: going to do what they do and that's choke Ohio

1177
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 5: State out with physicality, run game and confidence, and beat

1178
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 5: them again at Michigan. So I'm fascinated to see if

1179
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 5: Ryan Day has got it figured out. I'm fascinated to

1180
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 5: see if Carnel Tate and Jeremiah Smith of themselves on

1181
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 5: Saturday in the Big House.

1182
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: So you're just not going to make a You're gonna

1183
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: set the fence on this one, Okay.

1184
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 5: If you want me to make a pick, I'll pick

1185
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 5: Michigan until until Ryan Day proved damn it. He's got

1186
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 5: it figured out and can beat Michigan. He's only one

1187
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 5: in four against them. And you know, Michigan, it feels

1188
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 5: like to me, is built to beat Ohio State the

1189
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 5: way they're built offensively, defensively, and the way their coaches coach.

1190
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 5: My pick is Michigan to win on Saturday, because until

1191
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 5: Ryan Day proves it, I'm gonna stick with Michigan.

1192
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fair. I regret asking you

1193
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: the question because sometimes the truth hurts, but it's it's

1194
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: the truth.

1195
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 7: Uh.

1196
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: Joe, You've been generous with your time, really appreciated. Hope

1197
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: you have a great Thanksgiving. We appreciate you and we'll

1198
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: talk to you again next week.

1199
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 5: Thanks man, Austin, happiest of Thanksgivings. Eat like a champion

1200
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: on Thursday, get it done, yeat, yeat.

1201
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: Indeed, that is Joe Danivan, he's the best. We are

1202
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: way late talk backs for next SPN fifteen thirty.

1203
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 5: It's that time for talkbacks.

1204
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 14: Press the microphone and record your message for Austin and Tone.

1205
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 15: Please keep it clean and don't be mean at a

1206
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 15: sprinkle sprinkle, drift drifts.

1207
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 5: It's that time for talkbacks.

1208
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 14: It's our favorite part since three sixty.

1209
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Austin, buddy, play.

1210
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 14: Those talkbacks on your screen and please drive out to Cybertage.

1211
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: Welcome back in to Tony Pikes since he three sixty.

1212
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore, big fella out sick today. Hopefully he

1213
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: is back tomorrow. We've got a light batch of talkbacks

1214
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: to get to. But that's all right, let's get started.

1215
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: Can we get Brian Flores Ordvance Joseph here to be

1216
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,479
Speaker 2: a head coach?

1217
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: Love that you know.

1218
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the Brian Flores thing, because I

1219
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: know he has ongoing litigation with the NFL about a

1220
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: hiring issue previously that I want to say was involved

1221
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: with the Giants or something, and the stuff that happened

1222
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: with the Dolphins. I don't know exactly, so I don't

1223
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: know about his his I don't know. I don't know

1224
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: if that has an effect on anything. Vance Joseph, who

1225
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: used to be a coach here and is the defensive

1226
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Denver Broncos, I think he would be

1227
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: one of the top candidates when you look at the

1228
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: way the Bengals do things and the familiarity and all that,

1229
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: I think Vance Joseph would be one of those top candidates.

1230
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: Don't know if that's a good thing, but yeah.

1231
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 5: It's the Lord.

1232
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 16: I was reading that Lamar Jackson has another injury. It's

1233
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 16: his toe. That's that he that he ain't that asting

1234
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 16: any truth to this.

1235
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we talked about it earlier today, But just

1236
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 2: about two minutes ago the Ravens practice began and Lamar

1237
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: Jackson ran out there helmet on and is practicing. So

1238
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: didn't practice yesterday. He is out there in uniform warm

1239
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: for practice today for the Ravens.

1240
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 17: So the season is pretty much over. We know that

1241
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 17: anything after this probably just leads to heartache. But I'm

1242
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 17: of a mind that until you are officially mathematically eliminated,

1243
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 17: you give it all you got, You try everything, and

1244
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 17: you play the man. But as soon as you're eliminated,

1245
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 17: shutting down it's too valuable, too much of a risk

1246
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 17: for nothing to play for.

1247
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it.

1248
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 18: Thoughts on Joe Burrow playing tomorrow night.

1249
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 19: Okay, thank you, Hey boys. Hey, I may be full

1250
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 19: of opium.

1251
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 20: Yeah, I know I'm the optimistic, but as far as

1252
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 20: I can see, the Bengals have their destiny in their

1253
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 20: hands and they control their playoff outcomes. Assume they win

1254
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 20: the next six, we only need six losses between Buffalo

1255
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 20: or between Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They play each other twice,

1256
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 20: plus we would have beaten the Ravers twice and neither

1257
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 20: of those teams are gonna win out.

1258
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, when you think about it, Baltimore plays

1259
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh twice. As you mentioned, Baltimore has to go to

1260
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 2: Green Bay, and they play New England. It's not crazy

1261
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 2: to think that they lose a couple of those games.

1262
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: The Steelers obviously played Baltimore twice, they play Buffalo, and

1263
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 2: they play at Detroit. It's not crazy to think that

1264
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: if the Bengals were to go on a run similar

1265
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: to what they've done the last two years, that they

1266
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: could be right there in the conversation at nine to eight,

1267
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: let's say, and that'd be enough to win the AFC

1268
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: North just based off the schedule of the other teams. Obviously,

1269
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals have to take care of their own business,

1270
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's it's insane to think so.

1271
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: And the main reason I feel that way is if

1272
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: you look at the defense the last two weeks, and

1273
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: I know it is a very small sample size and

1274
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: it's not against the two best offenses in the NFL. However,

1275
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: if the Bengals defense can force a turnover a game

1276
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: and or get three stops, like you feel confident that

1277
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: you have a chance, you at least give yourself a chance,

1278
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: and that I think would be if nothing else interesting.

1279
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 8: Hey Addie Joe from case here, what I love when

1280
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 8: you get the chance to host. I totally agree with

1281
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 8: you about Burrow. If he's healthy, he should play. In

1282
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 8: addition to everything you mentioned, I just want to say,

1283
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 8: you know, when you would get into like load management stuff, right,

1284
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 8: I mean, in the end, it's the entertainment business. They're

1285
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 8: there to entertain. People are spending money to buy tickets.

1286
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 8: They're not spending money to watch healthy Joe Burrow sit

1287
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 8: on the bench today.

1288
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Now, let's say Thursday happens.

1289
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 2: Let's say the Bengals get blown out. Let's say it's

1290
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: thirty seven to ten in the fourth quarter. Oh, Joe

1291
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: Burrow doesn't need to be playing in that situation. Like

1292
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 2: then you could go back to Flacco, go back to

1293
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: Jake Browning somebody else. There there is a balance that

1294
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: has to be struck by Zach Taylor.

1295
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 13: Here, my golly, if we played a drinking game for

1296
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 13: every time then I heard the word compromised in between

1297
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 13: the Monday Midday Quarterback and the Tony Inmo Football Show,

1298
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 13: I'd have been on the floor by about four thirty

1299
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 13: how many times I heard that. But anyways, final thought

1300
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 13: here Walker from the West Side. If Flakka was that compromised,

1301
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 13: wouldn't we rather have Joe Burrow compromise if it was

1302
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 13: seventy five percent versus seventy five percent?

1303
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,879
Speaker 19: Last thought, We're on to Thursday.

1304
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the argument that I made last week going

1305
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: into the New England game.

1306
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 18: What's up body, tj Burrow in or Burrow out? I'd like,

1307
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 18: whatever the hell gets rid of Tobin and Taylor. He's

1308
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 18: an ocat best, not a head coach. Marvin went oh

1309
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 18: for seven to playsfs and Brown kept him on for years,

1310
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 18: Marvin turned into a smug Belichick wanted because he knew

1311
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 18: he was safe. Dave Shuler win eleven thirty for thirty seven.

1312
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 18: Let me repeat eleven for thirty seven in his first

1313
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 18: three years, Brown offered him a contract extension. Price is right,

1314
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 18: Bob Zach stinks, Coven sucks. Mike makes me want to hurl.

1315
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 18: But go Burrow, go Bangles, Who dai get better?

1316
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 5: Tony?

1317
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 6: There you go?

1318
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's how he feels.

1319
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 15: So the one hundred talented BYU fans and had a

1320
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 15: knack for recruiting, AKA would be in the parking lot

1321
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 15: at the UC game trying to convert UC fans to

1322
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 15: BYU fans because they Mormons go door to door trying

1323
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 15: to convert people and they have a knack for recruiting.

1324
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 5: Oh never mind, Oh.

1325
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 12: Okay, repping the city out here, Sonny hots On and

1326
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 12: what upie? See you riding the ship solo today? That's

1327
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 12: okay to show it's still on point and fire us always.

1328
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 12: The Cats won last night, I mean a good rebound win.

1329
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 12: The win is a win, But you know, I want

1330
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 12: to see them set up these shots a little bit better.

1331
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 12: They just run down the court and shoot up too

1332
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 12: many threes. I'm starting not to like that, you know what.

1333
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 12: The return of JB nine, I'm feeling it. I was

1334
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 12: against it, but now I love it. The heart of

1335
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 12: a competitor. That's a true beast of a quarterback. We

1336
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 12: got go get them all right, Thank you one time

1337
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 12: for a double loh for the keys to victory for

1338
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 12: Thursday night. First of all, we have to run the

1339
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 12: ball consistently and stay with the run, especially if it's working. Second, Burrow,

1340
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 12: can you manage the offensive line correctly? I mean, I

1341
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 12: know this is your first game back, but can you

1342
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 12: pick up the rhythm that you had? Chase is gonna

1343
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 12: be double and bracketed, so I'm looking for Gooseki to

1344
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 12: step up and on defense contain Lamar. Don't let him

1345
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 12: rush out the pocket. Figure way to apply pressure and

1346
01:14:59,280 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 12: wrap up in ten.

1347
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: There you go.

1348
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 18: The top three things that Jamar Chase did last weekend

1349
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 18: instead of playing football.

1350
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: Attended sensitivity and.

1351
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 18: Conflict resolution classes at Madam Beefee's School of Etiquette.

1352
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 4: Active as a judge at Cheeks Gentlemen's Club for.

1353
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 2: The Itty Bitty Gritty Committee.

1354
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 18: Met with architects and designers for plans on his New

1355
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 18: Sports Club.

1356
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: Lougis, all right, we'll talk a little bit about Jamar. Later,

1357
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: he did issue an apology of sorts. Hooday Tom Turkey

1358
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: chiming in.

1359
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, were regards to the Ohio State game, I think

1360
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 21: Ohio State is gonna win by two or more scores.

1361
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 21: I don't care that they lost four in a row

1362
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 21: or whatever it is. At one point, Ohio State won

1363
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 21: seventeen of eighteen or something like that just before the

1364
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 21: four game losing streak, So you know, it's cyclical. Expect

1365
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 21: them to fully dominate this game, and you know, the game,

1366
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 21: it kind of feels like it's lost.

1367
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: It's lost there a little bit.

1368
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 21: I mean, Ohio State lost it last.

1369
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: Year and still won the national title, So you know whatever.

1370
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 21: From regards to the Bengals and Ravens, you know whatever.

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. I think the Ohio State Michigan game

1372
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: is just it's all mental on the Ohio State side,

1373
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 2: and I think part of it like from the Michigan

1374
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 2: side as well. And I think Joe Daneman was right,

1375
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: like Michigan does not fear Ohio State and that's really

1376
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 2: the only team they face all year that feels that way,

1377
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: and sometimes that can make you clinch up a little

1378
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: bit in certain parts of your body. And I think

1379
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: there is a mental block with Michigan for Ohio State,

1380
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 2: and until they get past it, I don't know. Hopefully

1381
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: last year and everything that happened afterwards is enough to

1382
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 2: kind of carry through that and then be the release.

1383
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 14: Well, the last time I tuned in and Audie started

1384
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 14: the show and said that Tony wasn't here, we heard

1385
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 14: the terrible news that he had been let go. Fortunately,

1386
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 14: Tony's just sick, Yay, of course, I'm just getting get

1387
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 14: well soon, Tony.

1388
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 2: Tony.

1389
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: Alston, what's going on?

1390
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 10: My man?

1391
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 5: Lean and trunk Hart.

1392
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 22: I love Joey deep, but he is crazed.

1393
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 4: Ryan Day better get.

1394
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 6: The job done.

1395
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 22: And look, I kind of somewhat agree with him, you know,

1396
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 22: because when it comes to this game, if it's close

1397
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 22: in the fourth quarter, hey, it's going to get real

1398
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 22: spooky for os US fans.

1399
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: But he gotta get it done.

1400
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 3: He gotta get it done.

1401
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: He cannot lose the Michigan for the fifth straight year.

1402
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 3: Beat Michigan.

1403
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 2: Preach brother, I agree with you.

1404
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 23: Hey, Austen Marcos from the Groove up, I know we

1405
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 23: don't give this guy a time of day on the show, Uh,

1406
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 23: because of this horrible takes in general.

1407
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 5: But I don't know if you saw Chris Canny's h.

1408
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 10: About the Bengals still having a shot to win it

1409
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 10: division and make the playoffs, you know what mean?

1410
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 5: You ain't got to give me much to go on

1411
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 5: about giving me hope.

1412
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, you know? I actually heard, to his credit,

1413
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: I heard two complimentary things from Chris Canty today about

1414
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: the Bengals. The first was, I think Evan Cohen was

1415
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 2: asking him, do you buy into these teams? It was

1416
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,959
Speaker 2: a list of teams and he got to the Bengals,

1417
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: and I think Michelle Smallman said no, and Chris Canty said, uh,

1418
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: it's it's possible with Joe Burrow, like it's possible. And

1419
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: then in a separate part talking about the future of

1420
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: the AFC North and who could win that division, Chris

1421
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: Canty doubled down with Joe Burrow, the Bengals can win

1422
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 2: that division. So maybe a changing of the tune there

1423
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 2: for old Chris Canty. But you know, if we want

1424
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 2: to make fun of him for all this stupid stuff

1425
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: he says, you know, he at least was complimentary this time.

1426
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 2: Mike and independence here the burrow thing. Think of it

1427
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 2: this way.

1428
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 11: Let's say you're working in warehouse and you break your

1429
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 11: wrists and work, so you get back.

1430
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,560
Speaker 2: You're ready to come back to work, and they're like, no, no, no,

1431
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: we don't want to risk it.

1432
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 11: The rest of this year. Numbers are down. Just take

1433
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 11: the ear off. We'll pay you come back next year.

1434
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 11: It's not how it works. It's good to play.

1435
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: Let's play correct a mundo, bro.

1436
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 10: Why do we do this?

1437
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 24: Why do we keep doing this? We say every week

1438
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 24: before the game, all they lose this one, this is

1439
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 24: the must win. If they lose this one, they're done.

1440
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 24: We've done it for the last three weeks. They've lost

1441
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 24: all three of them, and then by Tuesday or Wednesday

1442
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 24: we're talking about all they could be back in it

1443
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 24: if they do this. If they do that, they have

1444
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 24: a less than one percent chance to make the playoffs.

1445
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 24: Their minus ten thousand miss playoffs.

1446
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 21: Like let it come, it's over.

1447
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 24: My goodness, All.

1448
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 2: Right, man. I don't know what show you're listening to,

1449
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: but at no point have I on this radio station

1450
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 2: said that I believe the Bengals are good enough to

1451
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. I will openly talk about the

1452
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: possibilities and the facts and like what the probabilities are,

1453
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: or if this happens, this happens, and this happens and

1454
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: they get in. But I have said for over a

1455
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: month now that the season is over and they will

1456
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 2: not get to the playoffs. I have said on the

1457
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: air I expect them to lose every single game the

1458
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: rest of the way. Now, with Joe Burrow, it's a

1459
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: different team, and you wonder how it will be different

1460
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: with him on the field. But no one is on

1461
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: this radio station saying that the Bengals are going to

1462
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 2: go win the AFC North and go deep into the playoffs. Technically, mathematically, factually,

1463
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 2: it's still a possibility, and that possibility is alive. And

1464
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 2: so you can't acknowledge that doesn't mean I believe it

1465
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: or know that it's gonna do, that it's true, or

1466
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: that I believe that it's gonna happen. Just because you

1467
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: acknowledge the possibilities and the realities does not mean that

1468
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: you are preaching from the mountaintops that these things are

1469
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: going to happen. But also, there are varying members of

1470
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: this audience that have different beliefs and different views and

1471
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: different thoughts on the Bengals, on the sports world, on

1472
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: all of it. Some people are overly optimistic, some people

1473
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: are overly negative. It's my job to be able to

1474
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 2: reach all those people, not just those who have given up.

1475
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: That's it's kind of how this thing works.

1476
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 6: Hey, Audi, it's Chris and Alexandria. I liked your list

1477
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 6: yesterday of all the potential candidates. Thank you and who

1478
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 6: you thought fit. But the problem is the Bengals don't

1479
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 6: bring in guys who have head coaching experience. True, they

1480
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 6: sometimes bring in offensive or defensive coordinators. What qualified Zach

1481
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 6: Taylor to be here? I mean he was a quarterbacks coach.

1482
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 6: Who knows who they're going to bring in? Who knows

1483
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 6: who the better option is. I have no idea what

1484
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 6: they're going to do. Probably just sit tight.

1485
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair Chris, and you're exactly right.

1486
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen very often. All right, we'll take

1487
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 2: a break. That was it will come back with a

1488
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: football in the natti. This is ESPN fifteen thirty eight.

1489
01:21:59,080 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Tooker pimesl There.

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Speaker 1: The Nattie brought to you in part by bod Light

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01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: and by Oakley greens On ESPN fifteen point thirty, the

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01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1493
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: Welcome back in Tony Pikes since he three to sixty.

1494
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore. We'll talk a little bit more about

1495
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals and the Ravens coming up in hour number three,

1496
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: including what Zach Taylor had to say about Trey Hendrickson

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01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: that I find interesting. But I went and spliced together

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Speaker 2: all the questions and all the answers from Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2: Monday press conference in which he was asked about quarterback

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. I think it's interesting the way he discusses it,

1501
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: discusses his philosophy ahead of Thursday night's game. Here's the

1502
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: Bengals head coach in his conversations with the media about

1503
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: quarterback Joe Burrow in his potential return.

1504
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 25: I anticipate him playing, but we'll continue to work through

1505
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 25: the week. I'm not going to declare that definitively work

1506
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 25: through the week coming off an injuries. Done everything he could.

1507
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 25: He put himself in a position to do his best

1508
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 25: to play yesterday, and we'll continue with that mindset. But

1509
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 25: he looks like he's in good shape right now.

1510
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 10: He'd be ready to go.

1511
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 26: How much did you guys bake that into schedule last week?

1512
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 26: Nowhere be a limited week this week to get Joe

1513
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 26: those reps last week?

1514
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 25: No, I mean really last week he just fell because

1515
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 25: of it was it was easier for us to handle

1516
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 25: because Joe Flacco has been limited in practice and so

1517
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 25: his schedule had been conducive to Burrow coming in there

1518
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 25: and taking all the snaps. So it didn't throw anything

1519
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 25: off kilter because that had been our team previously. He

1520
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 25: just took a bunch of reps that Jake Browning had

1521
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 25: been taken when when Flac goes out. So so from

1522
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 25: that perspective, it worked out. Well, we're able to balance

1523
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 25: that without disrupting anything. And now you'll go into just

1524
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 25: walk through reps, which is really what we're doing the

1525
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 25: next two days. So it's nothing physical, walk through mental

1526
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 25: reps and getting everybody ready to go play.

1527
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 26: What's the energy like around when you Joe is you know,

1528
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 26: when you know what he's going to be playing on

1529
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,759
Speaker 26: Thursday in that kind of game, in the kind of environment,

1530
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 26: what does that do with the locker room?

1531
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 25: Well, I mean he's he's a great player, obviously, and

1532
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 25: so it's exciting to have it back. I think our

1533
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 25: energy has been really good. I don't feel like that's

1534
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 25: been an issue for us, you know, And you see

1535
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 25: the way the team fought there till the very end,

1536
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 25: trying to trying to get stops in all three phases

1537
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 25: and and score points on offense. And so these guys

1538
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 25: fought tooth and nail, played with really good energy. Obviously,

1539
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 25: when you got one of the greatest players in the

1540
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 25: world coming back, that's that's another boost on top of that.

1541
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 25: And so you know, when we do get Joe back,

1542
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 25: it'll be exciting to watch him out there and play,

1543
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 25: and I'm sure it's energy for for everybody involved at least.

1544
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 26: Look like first game back hasn't played in a few months.

1545
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 5: What do you think that will look like?

1546
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 25: Difficult, difficult to predict. You know, it has been several months,

1547
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 25: and so again I'm not gonna make any predictions on

1548
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 25: what it looks like. But again, he's he's put himself

1549
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 25: in great shape. It's good to see him through the

1550
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 25: progression that we've had over the last several weeks. I

1551
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 25: think was it was a fair progression for him to

1552
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 25: do the seven on seven, do the eleven on eleven,

1553
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 25: get your mind right, try to try to get ready

1554
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 25: to play in a game, and then ultimately, well we'll

1555
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 25: wait and see where aliens. But I think it's been

1556
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 25: a really good progression. It's been helpful for him and

1557
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 25: done everything he can and we can to get him

1558
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 25: ready to go play a game.

1559
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 27: With Burrow, he's just so good at off script plays.

1560
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 28: Do you try to whenever he comes back coaching out

1561
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 28: of that or do you just have to let him play?

1562
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 25: It's a great question. There's a balance there of obviously

1563
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 25: him coming off of injury, you want to be very

1564
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 25: mindful of that, and that a lot of that will

1565
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 25: be up to him as he as he feels his

1566
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 25: pocket movement and his play style. Those are decisions that

1567
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 25: that he's gonna have to feel out as he goes forward.

1568
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 25: And sure i'd love to say, you know, let's let's

1569
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 25: be productive and and not put him in an environment

1570
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 25: where that's gonna happen. But you out there in the

1571
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 25: football field, and that's that's the way it's gonna take shape,

1572
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 25: especially on third downs, especially in no in passing situations.

1573
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 25: That's a good defense. You know, these guys will do

1574
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 25: a lot to disrupt you and throw you off course

1575
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 25: in the skies and pressure from different angles, and they

1576
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 25: got good players and so you can't it's the NFL.

1577
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 25: He can't go out there with with kid gloves on

1578
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 25: and say we're never gonna let this happen. It's some

1579
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 25: things are gonna happen naturally, and it'll be in his

1580
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 25: hands to take care of it if he's out there.

1581
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 29: Over the last few months in the background, have you

1582
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 29: made any tweaks kind of the Borough offense and the

1583
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 29: idea of how things look from Burrough comes back or is.

1584
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 27: It just like normal?

1585
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1586
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 25: I mean, like we game plan for the teams we're

1587
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 25: playing against, and you know, so a lot of times

1588
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 25: that's that's the forefront of it, is how do we

1589
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 25: utilize our weapons and how do we game plan against

1590
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 25: the team, you know, for all the things they're showing

1591
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 25: us to keep them off off kilter. So that's always

1592
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 25: what we balance and that's what we'll continue to do as.

1593
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: We move forward.

1594
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 30: Is Joe Burrow articulated why it's so important for him

1595
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 30: to come back or is it just understood because it's Joe.

1596
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 25: Yeah, that is a great question that I'd rather him answer.

1597
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 25: You know, I think when you get an opportunity to

1598
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 25: talk to him. Is he and I have had conversations

1599
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 25: on everything leading up to these weeks and so I'll

1600
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 25: leave that to him to better answer.

1601
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Did you guys talk much when he was like out out?

1602
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 31: But what were the conversations like when he was still early?

1603
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 25: I mean there was times I would catch him in

1604
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 25: the weight room as they's going through his rehab progression.

1605
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 25: So I don't I can to find a lot, but

1606
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 25: we've certainly had several conversations throughout the weeks, and then

1607
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 25: he started getting back into full blown meetings, you know,

1608
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 25: as partners with limiteddy's in a boot so we're not

1609
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 25: asking the travel stairs all the time. And then we

1610
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 25: got out of that. He became full time back in

1611
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 25: meetings several weeks ago and he's been back in the

1612
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 25: picture ever since. So he and I have had a

1613
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 25: lot of dialogue, especially these last probably three weeks, and

1614
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 25: a couple more before that when he first come off

1615
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 25: the entry.

1616
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Good stuff there from the Bengals head coach Zach Taylor

1617
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: loved that question from Dan Horde about you know, has

1618
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 2: Joe articulated why this is so important to him? And

1619
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: Zach said, you have to talk to Joe. Well, Joe's

1620
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 2: supposed to talk in just under an hour from right now.

1621
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: We'll cover that for you live right here on ESPN

1622
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Jamar Chase slated to talk after that. We

1623
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: will have it all covered for you right here on

1624
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1625
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1626
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1627
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 5: Three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1628
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 2: Briefly wrapping up our number two here on Tony Pikes

1629
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: since e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. For those of

1630
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 2: you that geek out on uniform news like I do,

1631
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: you might be wondering, well, what are these teams going

1632
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 2: to be wearing on Thanksgiving Night? What's Cincinnati going to

1633
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 2: be wearing, What's Baltimore going to be wearing? Well, the

1634
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: Bengals are going to be going with their traditional road

1635
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 2: white uniforms, white jerseys, white pants, black socks, and their

1636
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: orange helmet, I think one of the best looks in football.

1637
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: Baltimore is going to be going with their alternate purple

1638
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: rising helmet which are purple with a gold face mask

1639
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: and the ugly looking raven bird on the side of

1640
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: the head there. And they're going to have their purple

1641
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: jerseys with the gold numerals, purple pants, purple socks, all

1642
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: with the gold trim for Thanksgiving Night. Now you remember

1643
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: Bengals have played there in the past, they've gone the

1644
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: darkness thing where it's all black and blah blah blah

1645
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: blah blah. Well, all purple up against all white with

1646
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: the Bengals orange helmet for Thanksgiving Night football coming up,

1647
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. We'll have it for you right

1648
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty, hour three. Coming up next

1649
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: on the Home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen to thirty.

1650
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

1651
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,040
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1652
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: in hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries and lemonade. It's

1653
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01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: mine today. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Welcome in final hour of Tony Pike since

1656
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: e three sixty Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore.

1657
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 2: You might be wondering where in God's green Earth is Tony.

1658
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Tony still here? Are still with us? I should say

1659
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 2: he's still employed here. I know everybody has PTSD from

1660
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: a month or so ago. He's just under the weather today,

1661
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: and Lord knows, it's been going around. Mo had it

1662
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: for a while. I had it for a little while.

1663
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm still dealing with it my throat. I just can't

1664
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 2: get it to feel comfortable. It's just irritated. And that's

1665
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: what happens when you talk for a living. It's part

1666
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: of the deal. But hopefully Tony feels better tomorrow and

1667
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: he'll be back in the big chair for our final

1668
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: live show of the week prior to Thanksgiving, Black Friday

1669
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: and the holiday weekend. Want to talk a little bit

1670
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 2: of college basketball. I want to talk a little bit

1671
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: about Trey Hendrickson coming up. At the end of this hour,

1672
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 2: around two forty five, will check in briefly with Mo

1673
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Egger and Joe Burrow is slated to speak with the

1674
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: media for the first time in a week or so,

1675
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: so Joe ahead of Thursday night, Thanksgiving Night, supposed to

1676
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 2: talk to the media will carry it for you live

1677
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty, and then we'll probably just

1678
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: do a natural transition into MO. I expect Joe to

1679
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 2: talk well through the end of our show, so MO

1680
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 2: and I'll be on together, and then MO will take

1681
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: over after Joe begins talking. So that's what you have

1682
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 2: to look forward to. Also, as I mentioned, a little

1683
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: bit of college basketball and Trey Henderson as well. But

1684
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 2: we'll start the hour with a phone call. Our guy

1685
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: Chris in Alexandria wants to talk Bengals.

1686
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 6: What's up, Chris, Hey, Audi, thanks for taking my call.

1687
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for calling.

1688
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 6: I know you hear this probably more than you care too,

1689
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 6: and I think I understand the why of it. But

1690
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 6: your off air voice is terrified.

1691
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 5: My my.

1692
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah when I when I'm screening the phone calls. Yeah,

1693
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why it does that. We've never been

1694
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 2: able to figure that out, but for whatever reason, it's

1695
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: like our voices like distorted and it Yeah, it sounds

1696
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 2: like something out of a horror movie.

1697
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 6: It does. It's like when they're interviewing something someone that

1698
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 6: wants to be incognito. And one of the murder shows my.

1699
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Wife watches mm hmm. Yeah, it's so weird.

1700
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 6: Anyway, Hey, I think you agree with me here. I've

1701
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 6: gone back and forth on the Burrow thing. When he

1702
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 6: first was hurt and it was like December comeback. I

1703
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 6: was like, man, if we're out of it, don't play

1704
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 6: the guy like there's no need for it. But you know,

1705
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 6: there's still a third of a season left, and I

1706
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 6: think I'm in your camp that I do want to

1707
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 6: watch winning football, like at least last week. Last week,

1708
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 6: the game was watchable.

1709
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 23: You know.

1710
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 6: It wasn't me and my buddies sitting around sarcastically talking

1711
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 6: about how we're going to figure out a way to lose.

1712
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 6: It was watching, Yeah, and it was it was good

1713
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 6: to see guys like Flacco out there giving it there

1714
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 6: all when clearly clearly they weren't one hundred percent. You know,

1715
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 6: they haven't given up. That's that's something. Yeah.

1716
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, a game like the Patriots

1717
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 2: game after where they after the way they lost to uh,

1718
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 2: the Steelers, and coming out of the by and all that,

1719
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 2: I thought that that was a chance we'd see them

1720
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 2: give up, or we'd see some guys quit, or we'd

1721
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 2: see a lack of effort. Kind of like we saw

1722
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 2: from Genostone, but I saw the opposite. I saw a

1723
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 2: team that really fought and really played hard. I do

1724
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: think that's a credit to Zach Taylor.

1725
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 5: Totally agree.

1726
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 22: You know.

1727
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 6: I think it's interesting when you go into a game

1728
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 6: expecting to lose more touchdown by four touchdowns and you don't.

1729
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 6: How I don't leave as depressed as you think they're

1730
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 6: going to beat the Jets and you don't. But then

1731
01:33:58,120 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 6: you think, oh, this one's going to be a blood

1732
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 6: bat and you're like, oh, okay, like they're still trying.

1733
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 6: There's a good at least watchable football because I like football,

1734
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 6: you know, I want to watch a good football game.

1735
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 6: So with the Borough thing, also he doesn't he's also

1736
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 6: if they're putting the ball in his court and he

1737
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 6: gets to say he wants to play football. But also

1738
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 6: this would be a third season ending injury, and I

1739
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 6: think he doesn't want to be known as that a

1740
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 6: guy who missed three full seasons because of injury and

1741
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 6: he's going to come back for a third of a season.

1742
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 6: And yes, he missed most of the year, but I

1743
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 6: think you know, at the end of the year, at

1744
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 6: the end of the day, if he stays healthy for

1745
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 6: these six games, he will have played eight games, so

1746
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 6: he you know, that's more than half a season, or

1747
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 6: plants less than half season. But you know what I'm saying,

1748
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 6: So I get that, I understand all that. That all

1749
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 6: being said, I'm not optimistic about Thursday. We do play

1750
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 6: Baltimore pretty well, and you know, I think we match

1751
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,480
Speaker 6: up well, and I don't think Lamar Jackson is himself,

1752
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 6: but one of the odds, Burrow comes out hot and

1753
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase looks good, and it doesn't look like we're

1754
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 6: going to have Higgins. We know we're not gonna have Hendrickson.

1755
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 6: And the defense actually plays the way they played the

1756
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 6: last two weeks, and our offense actually plays the way

1757
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 6: we want them to play, with at least almost a

1758
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 6: full compliment. And Joe Burrow, it's gonna take a lot

1759
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 6: of things.

1760
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 5: To go right for us.

1761
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's kind of where they're at as

1762
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 2: a team, like it takes a lot of things going

1763
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 2: their way, a lot of luck, you know, the penalty

1764
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 2: goes their way, the balls fumbled in their direction, or

1765
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 2: whatever it might be for them to win games. So

1766
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't know that I go

1767
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 2: into Thursday night thinking, yes, Burrow's back, We're going to

1768
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: beat them by four touchdowns. I'm just like, Okay, let's

1769
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: see how he looks. Maybe they can pull something off here.

1770
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: But I don't have a lot of expectations. And it's

1771
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 2: tough to go primetime on the road AFC North short week.

1772
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 2: We've talked about that a lot. It's just not easy

1773
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm still like,

1774
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 2: I'm mainly in the valuation modes, like, Okay, what do

1775
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 2: they got, how does he look? What's the defense look like?

1776
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 2: Are there actual signs of improvement? What can we learn

1777
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 2: about next year's team through the rest of these these games.

1778
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 2: That's kind of where my mind is.

1779
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,759
Speaker 6: That I feel the same way. I'm watching the offensive

1780
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 6: line thinking okay, okay, like we've that's been so bad

1781
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 6: for so long, and now it's not terrible, and you know,

1782
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 6: we're watching guys like Miles Murphy put in a little

1783
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 6: tape and it feels good. I'm in the same way.

1784
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 6: I'm kind of watching players and watching units and seeing

1785
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 6: how they play, But I just don't have a lot

1786
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,719
Speaker 6: of expectation, especially since Beck Taylor's always talking about complimentary football.

1787
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 6: But man, if you're losing games where you're running back

1788
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 6: kickoff for touchdowns and you're getting picked sixes for touch

1789
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 6: you know, and you're losing those games, it's real hard

1790
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 6: to think you're gonna you're going to be able to

1791
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 6: put it all together. But man, I just hope they

1792
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 6: show up and give us, give me something.

1793
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. And Chris, thank you

1794
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 2: for the phone call. Man, I really appreciated it. And yeah,

1795
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: he's right. I mean, they've they've found ways to lose

1796
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 2: that they have no business losing. They haven't played complimentary football.

1797
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 2: Just hasn't worked. And there's not a lot of reason

1798
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 2: to believe that just because Burrow is back, the defense

1799
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: is gonna play better, or special teams is gonna play better,

1800
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: or other teams are gonna play worse. It's still a long,

1801
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 2: long road, a long way to go for this team

1802
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: to get better. And I mentioned to Chris that that

1803
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm in that mode of like evaluation and trying to

1804
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: figure out what we can learn about next year's team

1805
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: through this year's team. And yesterday around this time, when

1806
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: I was talking in Tony's absence as he was heading

1807
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 2: to twin peaks. I was trying to go through, like

1808
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: my thought process of even if they're good over these

1809
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,719
Speaker 2: last six games, you should not allow that to justify

1810
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 2: inaction this coming off season, because this past offseason, Duke

1811
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Tobin kind of said multiple times, we just got unlucky.

1812
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 2: We just got unlucky with a snap being dropped, a

1813
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 2: penalty being called, a fumble going into the end zone,

1814
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: and whatnot, or else we would have been right back

1815
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,719
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And they reacted in the off season

1816
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 2: according to that line of thinking, which is that they

1817
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 2: didn't quite do enough. Yeah, the firing of Louenna Rumo,

1818
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 2: the hiring of Al Golden, they got TJ. Slayton, they

1819
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: let Jermaine Pratt go.

1820
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 5: All that.

1821
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 2: On paper, I could see the vision and it at

1822
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 2: least made sense to me. But that plan hasn't worked.

1823
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,600
Speaker 2: So you cannot repeat that mistake if you were to

1824
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 2: have any success over the last six games. And one

1825
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: of the decisions that they made in the off season

1826
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 2: was re signing Trey Hendrickson. And they even though they

1827
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 2: went through the drama and the nonsense with Trey throughout

1828
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,799
Speaker 2: the off season, one of the things was I believe

1829
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: they re signed trade because they truly thought they were

1830
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 2: that close. They thought this year, based off the AFC,

1831
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 2: based off the team, based off everything I said that

1832
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 2: they prince last year, they could be the number one

1833
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 2: seed in the AFC. They thought they could win the

1834
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Now, obviously their projections were off, and this

1835
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 2: season has not gone to plan, and the Borrow injury

1836
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 2: plays a role in that. But I've always thought that

1837
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 2: the Bengals did that deal with Trey Hendrickson thinking we

1838
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 2: can get back to the playoffs, we can get back

1839
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,440
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl this year, and we can franchise

1840
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 2: tag him if he's still productive at a rate that

1841
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 2: is not ridiculous. I thought it was a brilliant move

1842
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 2: by the Bengals. I thought they fleeced Trey Hendrickson. I

1843
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: thought Mike Brown and Katie and Troy had finally had

1844
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 2: won another contract negotiation because I don't believe that the

1845
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 2: Bengals believe in Trey Hendrickson beyond this year, and so

1846
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,919
Speaker 2: they wanted an out and that's why they didn't negotiate

1847
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 2: a long term deal with him. And I've talked ad

1848
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 2: nauseum about why I feel similarly, the Bengals have moved

1849
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 2: on from a lot of guys once they get to

1850
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 2: thirty or thirty one years old. Sometimes they're right, sometimes

1851
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 2: they're wrong. A lot of times the Bengals have been right.

1852
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I felt that way about

1853
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is that he's not an elite athlete. Yeah,

1854
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: he takes great care of himself, and he plays really

1855
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 2: hard and all that stuff, but he's not a Miles Garrett.

1856
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,839
Speaker 2: He's not a Max Crosby, he's not a Micah Parsons.

1857
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 2: He's not a complete freak of an athlete. He has

1858
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 2: to work his ass off to get to that level,

1859
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 2: and eventually your body will break down, and there are

1860
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 2: drop offs for players at that position at that age,

1861
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 2: and I thought, based off everything I had seen, that

1862
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 2: Trey was susceptible to such a drop off. And so

1863
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 2: this year he's been injured and he's not really in

1864
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 2: a position to feel like he's going to go get

1865
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 2: a significant amount more this offseason if the Bengals aren't

1866
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 2: a franchise tag him, and because of his displeasure maybe

1867
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: with the way the Bengals have handled things, and because

1868
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 2: of the way this season has gone, and because of

1869
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 2: his uncertain future I think a lot of people are

1870
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 2: now under the assumption that Trey Henderson's not going to

1871
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 2: play again this season, whether he's healthy or not. And

1872
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 2: I find that debate interesting. Tony and I have talked

1873
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 2: about how strange it is that Zach Taylor, who is

1874
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 2: keeps his cards close to the vest, really doesn't show

1875
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 2: too much early in the week, has immediately over the

1876
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 2: past couple of weeks, nipped it in the bud the

1877
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 2: idea of Trey Hendrickson playing well. He did that again yesterday, Trey,

1878
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:42,759
Speaker 2: of course, dealing with a hip slash pelvis injury. Charlie

1879
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 2: Goldsmith asked Zach Taylor about this. Here's the exchange from Monday.

1880
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,679
Speaker 2: One more injury thing? Has she listed?

1881
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 31: Hendrickson has out doubtful pretty quickly over the last couple weeks.

1882
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:54,719
Speaker 31: Has he made any progress?

1883
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 25: Still just recovering from Andrew, you know, and so with

1884
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 25: a short week, I think it's easy to climb out.

1885
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 2: That's weird, isn't it? Still just recovering from the injury.

1886
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 2: So with the short week, just to clare amount, I

1887
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 2: don't know about that. That doesn't sound right to me.

1888
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 2: And you know, Trey didn't travel to Pittsburgh. He was

1889
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: on the sideline yesterday or Sunday against New England. There's

1890
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 2: a lot of this belief that's like, he's not going

1891
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 2: to rush himself back, especially if he has a chance

1892
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 2: to hit free agency. And I wouldn't blame him. And

1893
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 2: there may not be a lot left to play for,

1894
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: and the Bengals may not be rushing him back because

1895
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 2: there's escalators in this contract about playing time and this,

1896
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 2: that and the other. I get all that, But where

1897
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,640
Speaker 2: this all comes to a head is once again in

1898
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: the offseason, whether or not Trey plays. It's fascinating to think.

1899
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: And I know Joe Daniman touched on this when we

1900
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 2: talked about it. The Bengals have a chance to franchise

1901
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: tag him at a number that is not ridiculous. It's

1902
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 2: between twenty seven and thirty million dollars, and for a

1903
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 2: good pass rusher, that's fine, and for a guy who's

1904
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,560
Speaker 2: at his age and maybe at his production level, you

1905
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: can justify that. But if Trey Hendrickson is number one,

1906
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 2: if they franchise tag him, who's to say he's gonna play?

1907
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 2: He very easily could throw a fit and go through

1908
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: this whole process all over again, he could franchise tag

1909
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 2: him at that number and probably get a decent return

1910
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 2: for him if they chose to trade him. And also,

1911
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 2: are you going to learn anything about your team in

1912
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 2: place of Trey Hendrickson over these last six games that

1913
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 2: give you a better understanding of the future of Miles

1914
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 2: Murphy or the future of Shamar Stewart. You might not

1915
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 2: see much with Stuart. Miles Murphy is just eclipsed the

1916
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 2: one thousand snap threshold and is starting to play like

1917
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 2: a first round pick at least over the last couple

1918
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Speaker 2: of weeks. And I've said many times the Bengals have

1919
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 2: plenty of money as of right now, sixty nine million

1920
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 2: dollars in cap space going into next season. So let's

1921
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 2: say it's seventy and let's say Trey's franchise tag is thirty.

1922
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Do you want to take thirty million dollars out of

1923
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: the seventy that you can spend? Or in the Bengals case,

1924
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 2: they typically spend right up into ten to twelve million

1925
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 2: dollars until the cap. So let's say it's sixty million

1926
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: dollars and thirty million for Trey. Do you want to

1927
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 2: spend fifty percent of your available money on an aging

1928
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 2: pass rusher who has barely played this year, has not

1929
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 2: been that productive when he did, and is at odds

1930
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 2: with the team. Talked often about Trey being a leader.

1931
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's a leader. You don't hear

1932
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 2: much about him. You don't hear much from him. I

1933
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 2: don't know that he has that many friends left in

1934
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 2: the LA locker room. I just wonder what the endgame

1935
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 2: is here for both sides. The Bengals might look at

1936
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 2: it and say, you know what, it's time to wash

1937
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 2: our hands of this. We can spend that thirty million

1938
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 2: dollars in better places because we believe in Shamar Stewart.

1939
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Whether or not they do, that's one thing. But Miles Murphy,

1940
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 2: we'll bring him back. We'll bring Shamar Stewart back. Maybe

1941
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 2: we'll bring Joseph O's side back. Or we can go

1942
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 2: out in free agency and get another pass rusher. We

1943
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 2: can get an interior defensive lineman. We can work on

1944
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 2: our safety depth, we can work on our cornerback depth,

1945
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 2: and you can put that money to good use elsewhere

1946
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 2: and instead of putting it in one player who really

1947
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,520
Speaker 2: sinks the rest of the defense if he's not available,

1948
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:49,480
Speaker 2: you can spread that out amongst the myriad of positions

1949
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 2: that need help. Or are the Bengals going to look

1950
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 2: at it and say, last year was just a tough one.

1951
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Twenty seven and a half million dollars is a great

1952
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 2: deal for a pass rusher. Let's put that money back

1953
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: into tray and give him a chance to be a

1954
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,600
Speaker 2: part of a defense that we can rebuild on a

1955
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 2: budget with the rest of the money. But either way,

1956
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 2: it looks like we have gotten to a point where

1957
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 2: once again the Trey Hendrickson saga will be a big

1958
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 2: talking point going into the offseason, because the Bengals reserve

1959
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 2: the right to franchise tag him, and because they did

1960
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 2: a good enough job in creating that contract to where

1961
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 2: it makes sense financially for them to do that, and

1962
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 2: they have plenty of cap space. Whether they do it

1963
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 2: or don't do it, they deserve credit for the way

1964
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 2: they've manipulated the cap I think going into twenty six

1965
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 2: and into twenty seven where they have tons of money

1966
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 2: to spend. But again, the offseason it will be centered

1967
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 2: around not only how do the Bengals fix their defense,

1968
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 2: but if they do and when they do, or is

1969
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson a part of fixing the defense. I don't

1970
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 2: know that he is, and I don't know that that's

1971
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad thing. Take a break and be back.

1972
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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1973
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Speaker 1: From locker room whispers to stadium roars. He's got it all,

1974
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: Moeger Today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1975
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 3: What are your tail getting in the park?

1976
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:25,759
Speaker 31: Ports?

1977
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 2: Welcome back, ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore.

1978
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 2: You'll hear from Joe Burrow about twenty minutes from right

1979
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 2: now when he meets with the mediahead of Thanksgiving Night

1980
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 2: football in Baltimore. I'll talk a little bit of college basketball,

1981
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,919
Speaker 2: though didn't get a chance to do that yesterday obviously

1982
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 2: with the Monday midday quarterback and what we're trying to

1983
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 2: do this year. We've talked about it is, you know,

1984
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 2: just a little whip around what each coach had to

1985
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 2: say about their last game. And I want to do

1986
01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 2: that here, even without tone. And one of the things

1987
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 2: that kind of got swept under the rug over the

1988
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 2: weekend of all the stuff that was happening inside the

1989
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati was the fact that Xavier was on

1990
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 2: the road sort of they were at the Shriners Children's

1991
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 2: Charleston Classic down there in Charleston where they played West

1992
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Virginia Xavier beat them by ten seventy eight sixty eight.

1993
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 2: The Muskies get to four and three rebounding from that

1994
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,839
Speaker 2: difficult loss against Santa Clara. Here is what Richard Patino

1995
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 2: had to say after the Muskies win over West Virginia.

1996
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 32: Well, certainly a terrific win for our program. I mean,

1997
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 32: it's just it all starts with on the practice court.

1998
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 32: You know, you saw a shoot around today and it

1999
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 32: was one of the hardest practices we had of the year,

2000
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 32: and it was early in the morning. These guys are

2001
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 32: foming at the mouth to compete with each other to

2002
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 32: get better every single day. The response, certainly from the

2003
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 32: Santa Clara loss and how we responded, it looks like

2004
01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 32: a different team, and I'm proud of them. It's a

2005
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 32: very very confident group right now, and they're playing the

2006
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 32: right way. They're sharing the basketball, they're shooting well, they're

2007
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 32: taking good shots, doing a lot of great things.

2008
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 2: Richard Patino after the win over West Virginia Xavier. Back

2009
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 2: in action Friday night, Friday afternoon, five thirty is the

2010
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,360
Speaker 2: tip off, they'll take on Texas A and M Corpus Christy.

2011
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 2: Then on December first, it's Saint Francis. Those are the

2012
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 2: two final tune ups before the Crosstown shootout December fifth

2013
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 2: at seven thirty pm. How about last night Cincinnati in

2014
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Speaker 2: action against n j IT the Highlanders the New Jersey

2015
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 2: Institute of Technology at fifth Third Arena. Cincinnati trying to

2016
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 2: rebound from the loss to Louisville over the weekend, and

2017
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 2: they won ninety four to sixty seven at home. Here

2018
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 2: is Bearcat's head coach West Miller after the victory.

2019
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Speaker 10: He it's good to get back on the court after

2020
01:49:53,880 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 10: Friday night. And I think the thing that that I

2021
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 10: like is we're having high assist numbers, which means we're

2022
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 10: sharing the ball and making some good decisions. And so

2023
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 10: I look down and there's twenty four assists. I like

2024
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 10: that tonight, and I think we had nineteen or eighteen

2025
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Speaker 10: Friday night.

2026
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Speaker 19: So I like that.

2027
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Speaker 10: I was glad we got to get some extended minutes

2028
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 10: for some guys that haven't been able to get them.

2029
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 10: Like I think Keishaan Tillery is so important to our

2030
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 10: team this year as we move forward, and you know,

2031
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,679
Speaker 10: him getting out there and getting extended minutes and being

2032
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,840
Speaker 10: able to play through some mistakes. I think that's really

2033
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:39,879
Speaker 10: important because we're going to need him to be confident

2034
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,640
Speaker 10: and ready to compete and ready to play. And I

2035
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 10: thought there were some really good moments for him tonight

2036
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 10: that he should gain some confidence from. Same thing Halvin,

2037
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 10: you know, getting the extended minutes, and I think doing

2038
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 10: a nice job with him. He did some good things

2039
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 10: on the backboards. So I think again that those are

2040
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,760
Speaker 10: some of the positives. I thought Jordi right Riguez as well,

2041
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 10: Like I thought he had a great loose ball that

2042
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 10: was a bearcat type of play, and you see that

2043
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 10: some of these guys that have been here, they're starting

2044
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 10: to try to get it. We had the second or

2045
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 10: the second to last media time out the under eight

2046
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 10: media in the second half. I really challenged them to

2047
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 10: just play play bearcat basketball, to play the right way,

2048
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,679
Speaker 10: like no matter what's going on and who the opponent

2049
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 10: is or what the score is. And I thought that

2050
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 10: group came out for the next couple of minutes and

2051
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 10: did that, and I think we're still learning what that means.

2052
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,799
Speaker 10: But there were some moments tonight you could see that happening,

2053
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 10: and that's the good stuff.

2054
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 2: Bearcat head coach Wes Miller after the win. Cincinnati back

2055
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 2: at home tomorrow night against Eastern Michigan. On December first,

2056
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: they'll take on Tarleton State and their final two tune

2057
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 2: ups ahead of the crossdown shoot At the shootout, the

2058
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 2: Bearcats are five and one on the season. One other

2059
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 2: local team was in action last night. They got the victory.

2060
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about them next is since E three

2061
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 2: to sixty on ESPN fifty welcome back since E three

2062
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 2: to sixty. I'm Austin Almore. I mentioned there was one

2063
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 2: other team that won last night. That would be the

2064
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 2: NKU Norse. They were hosting the Eastern Kentucky Colonels. Norse

2065
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 2: were actually down two at the half, but outscored EKU

2066
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 2: forty nine thirty six in the second half to win

2067
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 2: eighty two seventy one. Here as head coach Darren Horn

2068
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:27,840
Speaker 2: after the victory.

2069
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 33: And I thought his team really reflected that tonight. I mean,

2070
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 33: they're down several guys and just came in here and

2071
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 33: just competed their tails off. And so I hope the

2072
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 33: Colonel Faithful understand how fortunate they are to have a

2073
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 33: guy like aw Hamilton at the Helm. I mean that

2074
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 33: was a tremendous effort by his guys on the road

2075
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 33: on a quick turnaround. I mean they played Saturday and

2076
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 33: had to bust up here and play today. And so

2077
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 33: that said, I didn't think we were our sharpest in

2078
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 33: a lot of areas, especially down the stretch. And I

2079
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 33: was concerned coming into the game after playing so well

2080
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 33: at Central Michigan that we would be unto our offense.

2081
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 33: And as soon as the shots weren't going in in

2082
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 33: the first half, not we really let it affect us

2083
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 33: or not strong defensively, and you know the difference if

2084
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 33: you look at the percentages from first to second half,

2085
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,560
Speaker 33: especially from the three for them, you know that was

2086
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 33: the difference in the game. And so we still got

2087
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 33: a lot of guys that are learning how we win

2088
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,719
Speaker 33: here and that's with defense and rebounding and playing smart.

2089
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,600
Speaker 2: And so do not do that at the level that

2090
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 2: we would like to.

2091
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 33: That said, really proud, because good teams find a way

2092
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 33: to win when they don't play their best, and I

2093
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 33: think our guys did that tonight. And you go down

2094
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 33: the box score and it's not one or two guys

2095
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 33: got four guys not just in double figures, but with

2096
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 33: fourteen or more and different guys stepping up at key

2097
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 33: moments throughout the game. And basically we've been on a

2098
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,760
Speaker 33: ten day road trip. I mean, we haven't been able

2099
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 33: to practice in our own facilities since like last Tuesday.

2100
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 33: We had to bust up early because we don't have

2101
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 33: a second gym to practice in. We don't and then

2102
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:06,720
Speaker 33: of course with the turn of being hosted here, which

2103
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 33: was awesome for our volleyball team, so thankful for that

2104
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 33: and proud of those girls. But we literally have not

2105
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 33: practiced in our own gym since last Tuesday, and so

2106
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:19,560
Speaker 33: we've been on a week long road trip essentially, and

2107
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:21,560
Speaker 33: so far guys will respond the way they did, and

2108
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 33: it'd be a collective effort, not just one or two guys.

2109
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,640
Speaker 2: I thought was really good. That is n k U

2110
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 2: Norse head coach Darren Horn after the victory last night.

2111
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll

2112
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 2: check in with mo Egger. Then we'll hear from the

2113
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 2: Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow meeting with the media this afternoon

2114
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 2: ahead of Thanksgiving night football. That's next. This is ESPN

2115
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

2116
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Speaker 5: From the Brown Heating tempts.

2117
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Speaker 3: It's time for since the three sixty quick hits on

2118
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty looking.

2119
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 2: I think we found Mo. I believe he's at Oakley

2120
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 2: Greens for his typical Tuesday show and Moe joining us. Now, Hi, Mo,

2121
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 2: how are you?

2122
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 3: I am well? And I just want to say one

2123
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 3: thing about today's show. Okay, guaranteed human, guaranteed human. That's

2124
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 3: been that's been the thing around. If you if you

2125
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 3: come to Oakley Greens, you'll you're guaranteed to see a

2126
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 3: human me.

2127
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 2: That's true. Andrew is Drew gonna be Is he going

2128
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 2: to be parking cars or anything?

2129
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 4: No?

2130
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 3: We we uh you know it's it's Thanksgiving and so

2131
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 3: uh Drew has a busy couple of days in front

2132
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Speaker 3: of him. Sure, yeah, he's a delivering turkeys. Oh that's right, folks,

2133
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 3: over the next couple of time, helicopter. I believe, well,

2134
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 3: he's just true, he's going door to door.

2135
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Okay, As a Bengals fan, what do you want to

2136
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 2: hear from Joe Burrow and his press conference today?

2137
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:43,920
Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent.

2138
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 6: That's it.

2139
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 5: That's it, that's it.

2140
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm here to save the day. We're going

2141
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 3: to win these next six I want to hear, like,

2142
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 3: is there residual discomfort? How much? How much at all?

2143
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 3: Is he going to be compromised or is he like

2144
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 3: like he was before the injury, Like that's to me,

2145
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 3: that's the most important thing we'll see. My guess is

2146
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 3: we're not going to hear him say I'm one hundred percent.

2147
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 3: But if there's one thing I want to hear when

2148
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 3: he steps to the podium, hopefully on time, it's I'm

2149
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

2150
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 2: Are you not buying that he is one hundred percent?

2151
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I would be unsurprised

2152
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 3: if he wasn't just and look, man, I'm not a doctor.

2153
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 3: I'm not being asked to examine his foot. Weird if

2154
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 3: I But the original timeline for this was best case

2155
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 3: is early December. It feels like he is rushed back.

2156
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't mean like he's doing something irresponsible,

2157
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 3: like he has worked his ass off to get back.

2158
01:56:52,200 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 3: But is is the fact that he is ready to

2159
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 3: play on Thursday reflective of the fact that he is

2160
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 3: more willing to deal with pain than perhaps originally thought.

2161
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 3: The timeline hasn't been accelerated here. Does that mean he's

2162
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 3: he may be pain free and he maybe one hundred percent.

2163
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, But there was a reason he didn't

2164
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 3: play two days ago, right, If he was one hundred percent,

2165
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 3: why wouldn't he you have played two days ago? M hm,

2166
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 3: So it's fair to wonder. And again, man like, I'm

2167
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm okay with him playing. It's not my favorite thing

2168
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 3: in the world because I don't think this team is

2169
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 3: going to make the postseason, but all right, they're playing

2170
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 3: a game with at least a mathematical chance of making it.

2171
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:37,000
Speaker 3: What level of risk is being incurred here that either

2172
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 3: that is either equal to or above and beyond the

2173
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 3: regular level of risk that every quarterback takes on when

2174
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 3: they play an NFL game.

2175
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. What do you have

2176
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:50,880
Speaker 2: coming up on your show today? Guaranteed human, guaranteed human,

2177
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 2: that's it, just human people as a human man you.

2178
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 3: ESPN college football writer Bill Connolly is going to be

2179
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 3: on the show. This guy. We're gonna talk about the

2180
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 3: big weekend coming up in college football. Lots of different storylines,

2181
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 3: but he's written what I think is the best sports

2182
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 3: book I've read this year where he takes on the

2183
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 3: I think pretty unenviable task of trying to examine what

2184
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 3: college football's future is gonna look like. He still wants

2185
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 3: to be the Commissioner of college Football. This has been

2186
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 3: something he's been lobbying for for eight years. And so

2187
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 3: Bill's gonna come on the show with us at three

2188
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 3: forty five.

2189
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 12: It is.

2190
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 3: You know, we don't have our show on Thursday, but

2191
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 3: we're doing our Thursday stuff. So you got Lee Sterling

2192
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 3: gonna help us make some money this weekend. You got

2193
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 3: Dan Klaskin's gonna help us with fantasy football. This weekend.

2194
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna chat with our guy, Sean Saya the Stats

2195
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 3: and Schemes newsletter. We're gonna spend some time on the

2196
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 3: guy that everybody is writing about as it relates to

2197
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 3: the Reds. We'll talked about the current state of affairs

2198
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 3: with the UC football team and so much more. As

2199
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 3: we get said for Bengals Ravens on Thanksgiving evening.

2200
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 2: You mentioned college football. Do you find yourself caring at

2201
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 2: all about Lane Kiffen and where he goes?

2202
01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:02,680
Speaker 1: No?

2203
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I care almost as much about Jordaan Hudson and

2204
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick as I do Lane Kiffin? Now, I think

2205
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 3: the dynamic of a coach leaving his team while they're

2206
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 3: in the playoff is interesting and if we have that,

2207
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 3: I never want to hear again anybody complaining about the

2208
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:25,000
Speaker 3: players leaving. Okay, you know, because this has been a

2209
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 3: thing now for all these players they leave and they Okay,

2210
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 3: we got a coach who's gonna leave his team, perhaps

2211
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 3: while they have a chance to play for a championship.

2212
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 3: So miss me with the whole Well, the players need

2213
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 3: to show more loyalty. But but no, I don't. I

2214
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 3: did the story doesn't. I don't think Lane Kiffin is

2215
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 3: as interesting as everybody else does. He's good coach, but

2216
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't find him as fascinating as everybody else. So

2217
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 3: I so no, I don't. I'm not losing sleep wondering

2218
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 3: we're Lane or Lane Kiffin is gonna go? Nor am

2219
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 3: I losing sleep worrying about like is Brian Kelly ever

2220
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 3: going to be allowed to have a job.

2221
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Speaker 2: What I find interesting about that is, you know, how

2222
02:00:06,640 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 2: does Ole miss feel? How do their fans feel? If

2223
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 2: it feels like an SEC school is a stepping stone

2224
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 2: job to just other SEC schools, and if you can't

2225
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:18,880
Speaker 2: get someone like Lane Kiffin. Are you ever going to

2226
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 2: really be able to keep a coach that? I think

2227
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 2: is it kind of goes into the conversation maybe that

2228
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 2: you're going to have later on about the future of

2229
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:29,120
Speaker 2: college football. I don't know that it's ever going to

2230
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:29,960
Speaker 2: settle down.

2231
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 3: No, everybody. I think any job can be considered a

2232
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 3: stepping stone. Yeah, fair might be a stepping stone to

2233
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 3: the NFL, might be a stepping stone to retirement. I mean,

2234
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 3: Brian Kelly left Notre Dame to go coach at LSU.

2235
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 3: Would we all agree Notre Dame's a destination gig it?

2236
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:50,440
Speaker 23: Would you know?

2237
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 3: You're not going to want to hear this, But like

2238
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 3: Jim Harball had already coached in the NFL, but he

2239
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 3: went from Michigan to the National Football leaue? Does that

2240
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:59,480
Speaker 3: make Michigan a stepping stone job?

2241
02:00:59,800 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 10: Like?

2242
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 3: Right, we're talking about highly aspirational figures here and and

2243
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 3: just obscene amounts of money. And I think as long

2244
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 3: as you have those two things, you're never gonna have

2245
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 3: many gigs where the you know, the the coach is

2246
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 3: gonna be viewed as somebody who stays forever. I also think,

2247
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 3: like we when it comes to coaches, we're still thinking

2248
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 3: about coaching and stability and very antiquated, you know terms.

2249
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,600
Speaker 3: I'll use UC basketball as a reference. Bob Huggins and

2250
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:33,080
Speaker 3: Mick Cronin spoiled us because you see basketball at two

2251
02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:34,160
Speaker 3: coaches in thirty years.

2252
02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 2: That's not normal.

2253
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 3: That's that's not normal, and it's not gonna be normal.

2254
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 3: If Wes ever gets the program humming, he's gonna get

2255
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 3: interest and chances are he's gonna go somewhere, and so

2256
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 3: I I what would piss me off as an old

2257
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 3: miss fan is we've got a shot to compete for

2258
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 3: a national championship and now you're gonna go. And maybe

2259
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,839
Speaker 3: that's not Lane Kiffin's fault, and maybe that's not Florida's

2260
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 3: fault or LSU's fault. But again, I never want to

2261
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:02,680
Speaker 3: hear about how well the players are ruining the sport

2262
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,200
Speaker 3: because they could just go wherever they want any time.

2263
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,920
Speaker 3: When you have a coach who may abandon his team

2264
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:10,120
Speaker 3: that has a chance to win a national.

2265
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 2: Championship trying to and waiting for Joe Burrow to come

2266
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,160
Speaker 2: to the podium, he's already five minutes late at a

2267
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 2: conference guaranteed human Joe Burrow quickly your thoughts on you

2268
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 2: see last night? What was your biggest takeaway? I don't

2269
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 2: think I had one.

2270
02:02:28,440 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 3: They won a game by thirty points that I thought

2271
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 3: they would win by thirty points. I guess my bigger takeaway, Look,

2272
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 3: the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout is fast approaching. I think

2273
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 3: a lot of folks viewed that as an inevitability that

2274
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 3: you see is going to be Xavier. I don't think

2275
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,120
Speaker 3: it is anymore. I think it's a fifty to fifty game.

2276
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:53,320
Speaker 3: I think it's a fifty to fifty game because number one,

2277
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:55,040
Speaker 3: you see's got to get Bob and Miller back on

2278
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 3: the court. It feels like there's a very distinct possibility

2279
02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 3: that he will be back on the court Friday. But

2280
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:02,600
Speaker 3: I think he is their best player right now. I

2281
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 3: think he's their biggest difference maker. But there's been nothing

2282
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 3: overwhelming League and Wes Miller has I just I heard

2283
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 3: you play the postgame comments from last night. He's trying

2284
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 3: to be overwhelmingly positive, and I get it, Like, I

2285
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,240
Speaker 3: don't blame him because the fan base is a little

2286
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:24,880
Speaker 3: jaded right now. He's swimming up stream when it comes

2287
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 3: to just fans kind of being on board with his

2288
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:29,280
Speaker 3: program right now. They did lose a game to a

2289
02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 3: really good Louisville team, but they lost a game on Friday.

2290
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 3: But their performances I don't think have made you feel like,

2291
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 3: holy crap, this team wants big twelve play kids here

2292
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:39,680
Speaker 3: is going to be able to take off. And I

2293
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 3: certainly don't think they've played well enough for anybody to

2294
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 3: take the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout for granted. And then

2295
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 3: you look at the improvement that Xavier has made from

2296
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 3: what they were doing when they played Lemoyne and then

2297
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,080
Speaker 3: obviously the Santa Clara game and to a degree the

2298
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:55,880
Speaker 3: end of the first half against Iowa to how they've

2299
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,480
Speaker 3: played since. I was talking about this with somebody at

2300
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:01,480
Speaker 3: UC last night, like they're running really good stuff. There's

2301
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 3: a talent gap, there's a talent limitation. But that's always

2302
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 3: the game that before it happens, it's like, all right, well,

2303
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 3: who's gonna win the shootout? Who's gonna win the shootout?

2304
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:11,760
Speaker 3: You see does not have history on its side. That

2305
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:13,600
Speaker 3: was a game that I think for months people have

2306
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:15,080
Speaker 3: looked at it and said, this is going to be

2307
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 3: the year where you see wins at Cinta Center, and

2308
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,800
Speaker 3: they may and my guess is they're going to be favored.

2309
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 3: And if you made me pick who's going to win

2310
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 3: a game and put a gun to my head, which

2311
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 3: would be weird, I would say Cincinnati. But I don't

2312
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:30,000
Speaker 3: know that anybody should feel as sure about that outcome

2313
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 3: as they did a month ago. And if the Bearcats

2314
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:39,160
Speaker 3: do lose that game, oh it's I just I know

2315
02:04:39,240 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 3: what it's I know what it's gonna sound like. I

2316
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 3: know what it's gonna sound like. So that game next Friday,

2317
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:46,920
Speaker 3: to me is fascinating for a thousand different reasons.

2318
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 2: We're a couple of days away from Thanksgiving. Do you

2319
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:53,760
Speaker 2: have a signature dish that you make at Thanksgiving that

2320
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:55,200
Speaker 2: you are responsible for?

2321
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:57,280
Speaker 6: No?

2322
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:58,880
Speaker 10: No, no, no.

2323
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 2: Do you Are you in evolved at all in the

2324
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:03,280
Speaker 2: making of the Thanksgiving lunch or dinner?

2325
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 4: No?

2326
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:11,120
Speaker 3: Not really? No, okay, no, there's nothing I'm really I did.

2327
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 3: I smoked the turkey a couple of years ago because

2328
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 3: I like to smoke stuff, right cigars, I smoked the turkey,

2329
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 3: But usually that's my wife, my mother in law. What

2330
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 3: I will tell you is this, my mom moved to

2331
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 3: Nevada a couple of years ago. Yeah, and every year

2332
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:28,880
Speaker 3: I talk about to the people I like that I

2333
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,520
Speaker 3: eat Thanksgiving with they get mad at me because all

2334
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:32,880
Speaker 3: they do is talk about how much I miss my

2335
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 3: mom's stuffing. My mom's stuffing is the greatest of all time.

2336
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:39,440
Speaker 3: There you go, greatest of all time. And uh so

2337
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:41,640
Speaker 3: I wish she would make some put it on like

2338
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:44,280
Speaker 3: dry ice and ship it here or drive it here.

2339
02:05:44,360 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 3: But no, I'm I'm not really responsible for I'm responsible

2340
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:50,080
Speaker 3: for the Thanksgiving morning mimosas.

2341
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 2: Oh okay, interesting, So you're not running a turkey trot

2342
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 2: or anything like that.

2343
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I support everybody who is running in this

2344
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 3: year's Thanksgiving Day, right, that is terrific. But I like

2345
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:05,280
Speaker 3: a good holiday breakfast cocktail. Okay, sure, so that's that's

2346
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm kind of responsible for those. I'll do tequila sunrise.

2347
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:09,320
Speaker 3: I can make a good bloody Mary.

2348
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:11,280
Speaker 2: When's the last time I went for a run?

2349
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:18,200
Speaker 3: Oh, like, like like running from a to b or

2350
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:23,280
Speaker 3: like running on a treadmill? Like either treadmill this summer? Okay,

2351
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,200
Speaker 3: we have treadmills on the main floor of our building

2352
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:28,800
Speaker 3: at work. The last time I went for a run?

2353
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like outside you know you threw the shorts on,

2354
02:06:32,080 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 2: you laced them up. You're like, I'm gonna go run

2355
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:42,800
Speaker 2: however long twenty twelve thirteen. Wow, Okay, can I tell

2356
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 2: you about the time I almost hit Tom Coughlin as

2357
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:48,160
Speaker 2: much as time as you'd like to take as we

2358
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:49,000
Speaker 2: wait for Joe Burrow.

2359
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:51,840
Speaker 3: All right, So the Bengals are playing the Giants in

2360
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 3: twenty twelve and the cold hour is cold out. I

2361
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:59,640
Speaker 3: lived on I lived at eight fifteen Elm. I could

2362
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 3: say it because I don't live there downtown, yeah, And

2363
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 3: I had spent the night somewhere, And so Sunday morning,

2364
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 3: I wake up at like six thirty seven o'clock and

2365
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 3: I'm like fumbling for something. I don't know what I

2366
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:18,840
Speaker 3: was doing. But there's a little lot next to the

2367
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:22,200
Speaker 3: place I lived in and I go to turn in

2368
02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:24,840
Speaker 3: it and I like jam on the brakes and I'm like,

2369
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 3: holy crap, I must hit that dude. And it was

2370
02:07:27,200 --> 02:07:30,120
Speaker 3: New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin out for a

2371
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:33,680
Speaker 3: morning run. I just rolled down the window as he

2372
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 3: ran away. I was sorry about that, coach, and he

2373
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:38,040
Speaker 3: waved wow. And then I think the Bengals won that

2374
02:07:38,080 --> 02:07:38,600
Speaker 3: game that day.

2375
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 2: They did. There was a lot of snow, if I'm

2376
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:44,880
Speaker 2: not mistaken, but yeah, I remember that he.

2377
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,840
Speaker 3: Was out running at like a Giant's like giant, like

2378
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:51,080
Speaker 3: a Giants hoodie or long sleeve shirt on. And but

2379
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,000
Speaker 3: the I can't say the last time I went for

2380
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:55,360
Speaker 3: a run. It's been it's been a while.

2381
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:57,400
Speaker 2: There was a similar thing that happened to me once

2382
02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 2: before a Bengals Sunday night game. I think it was

2383
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:04,880
Speaker 2: they hosted the Steelers on a Sunday night and my

2384
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 2: dad and I were walking around downtown getting ready for

2385
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,520
Speaker 2: the game, you know, tailgating and all that, and this

2386
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,000
Speaker 2: car nearly hit us as we were crossing the street,

2387
02:08:15,720 --> 02:08:18,920
Speaker 2: slammed on its brakes, whipped around us. It was Ray

2388
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:23,920
Speaker 2: mal Luga. Oh wow, on his way lots of questions

2389
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 2: about that. On his way into the stadium, license plate

2390
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,480
Speaker 2: said sting ray r E.

2391
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:30,760
Speaker 6: Y Uh.

2392
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:33,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, And I'm sure there's plenty of Ray mal

2393
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:36,680
Speaker 2: Luga's stories similar out there from people in this area.

2394
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 3: When I first met my wife, his name came up.

2395
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 3: Oh boy, and again this is many. I met my

2396
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 3: wife thirteen years ago and she said to me, oh,

2397
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:49,480
Speaker 3: we met Ray mal Luga. They were at a bar

2398
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:52,280
Speaker 3: and let the club her and her friends. Ray mal

2399
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 3: Luga comes over and brings a bottle Oh boy, and

2400
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:59,560
Speaker 3: drinks it with them and then left, didn't pay for it.

2401
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Ray mal Luga, I think has reconfigured his life.

2402
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 6: He has.

2403
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I was about to say that, and and so

2404
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 2: good for.

2405
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,320
Speaker 3: Him for doing that, because it felt like for a

2406
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 3: while his life needed to be reconfigured.

2407
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 2: We have we have Joe Burrow at the post. Let's

2408
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 2: go to Joe Burrow.

2409
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:20,840
Speaker 29: Human When when you got hurt, were you told this

2410
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:23,400
Speaker 29: would be a three month process and obviously you cut

2411
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 29: it down?

2412
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:25,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2413
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:33,000
Speaker 34: You know, originally it was twelve weeks and then you know,

2414
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 34: we'll start to talk about it. But just like with

2415
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:37,240
Speaker 34: any injury, you start to learn more about it and

2416
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:39,400
Speaker 34: start to ask questions.

2417
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,360
Speaker 27: About things you can and can't do.

2418
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:43,360
Speaker 34: You know, what do we have to avoid in certain

2419
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 34: time periods post surgery and let's kind of take it

2420
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 34: as it goes.

2421
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:53,560
Speaker 27: Did you get creative to cut that time down the Yeah, yeah,

2422
02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 27: I guess you could say that.

2423
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 10: I think.

2424
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 34: Number one, I have a physical therapist in Nick and

2425
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:07,280
Speaker 34: trainers mainly Matt that really understood what stress the repair

2426
02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:12,000
Speaker 34: what we could and couldn't do in certain time periods,

2427
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:15,600
Speaker 34: and so we push it within the limits of what

2428
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 34: we could do and kind of just based it on

2429
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:22,400
Speaker 34: how how I was feeling, how I was recovering, how

2430
02:10:22,440 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 34: it looked the next day after we push it, and

2431
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 34: just went from there was last week.

2432
02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:30,760
Speaker 35: For you getting multiple full practices and doing that for

2433
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:31,200
Speaker 35: the first.

2434
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 5: Time, Yeah, it was.

2435
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:32,600
Speaker 27: It felt good.

2436
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 5: I needed it.

2437
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:40,600
Speaker 34: It felt good to get some live reps, both Scott

2438
02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:45,520
Speaker 34: team and first team. And I think that will serve

2439
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:48,120
Speaker 34: me well this week, having a full week where you

2440
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:51,240
Speaker 34: know you're expecting to play and you're going through your

2441
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 34: preparation like like you're gonna play and then it doesn't happen.

2442
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:58,640
Speaker 34: So but it's good to have that under your belt,

2443
02:10:59,160 --> 02:11:00,920
Speaker 34: to to think under this week where you're not going

2444
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:02,400
Speaker 34: to get a ton of full speed reps because it's

2445
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 34: a Thursday night against the team that played a million times,

2446
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,760
Speaker 34: And uh, I think that will service was the unknown.

2447
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 35: Last week as you're pushing I think to play and

2448
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 35: you don't know if it's going to happen or not.

2449
02:11:15,640 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 27: Yeah, that's in that situation. Yeah, I've been I've been

2450
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:19,440
Speaker 27: in that spot before, and.

2451
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 34: You know, trust the decision makers, and trust the medical

2452
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,920
Speaker 34: people and everybody that was involved in the decision making.

2453
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:30,360
Speaker 27: And you know, I thought we made a good decision.

2454
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:33,400
Speaker 27: And now this week will be rid up, ready to go.

2455
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:35,920
Speaker 26: Jude, just to be clear, you're playing on starting on Thursday, correct,

2456
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:38,880
Speaker 26: Like that's okay. You said that this would be very

2457
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:42,080
Speaker 26: meaningful to come back on Thanksgiving. Why does this carry

2458
02:11:42,120 --> 02:11:44,120
Speaker 26: so much meaning to come back for this game specifically?

2459
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:48,720
Speaker 34: Number one, it's a division game. I got a lot

2460
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 34: of respect for the people on the opposite side of

2461
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:54,600
Speaker 34: the ball, But when you play people twice a year, it's.

2462
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:56,080
Speaker 4: You.

2463
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 34: You get tired of them, you don't like them. It's

2464
02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:02,560
Speaker 34: a division rivalry. You got respect for him, but it's

2465
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 34: intense out there. It's something I wanted to be out

2466
02:12:04,600 --> 02:12:09,040
Speaker 34: there for playing on Thanksgiving, something I've always wanted to

2467
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 34: do that I pushed for in the past, and the

2468
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:16,520
Speaker 34: NFL gave it to us, and then you know, the

2469
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 34: injury happened and thought I wasn't gonna be able to play,

2470
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:21,000
Speaker 34: and then as we got closer, I you know, felt

2471
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:22,160
Speaker 34: like it was a real possibility.

2472
02:12:22,280 --> 02:12:24,200
Speaker 27: So that's exciting to me.

2473
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:30,360
Speaker 34: And it's a national stage to go out and improve

2474
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:34,920
Speaker 34: yourself again after not playing for several weeks, and every

2475
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:37,680
Speaker 34: opportunity that you get to to go improve all the

2476
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:39,600
Speaker 34: hard work that you've put in, the type of player

2477
02:12:39,640 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 34: you are is something that I try to take advantage of.

2478
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,880
Speaker 26: Your second Thanksgiving Day game correct with at L s

2479
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 26: U A M was Thanksgiving card?

2480
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,080
Speaker 34: Maybe I don't quite, I don't really, I don't. I

2481
02:12:50,120 --> 02:12:53,120
Speaker 34: don't remember if that was Thanksgiving or not. I don't

2482
02:12:53,120 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 34: remember playing on Thanksgiving before, but.

2483
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 27: Could could be.

2484
02:12:58,320 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 3: What what do you like about?

2485
02:12:59,600 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 1: What?

2486
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:01,880
Speaker 26: What's so meaningful about that day?

2487
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:02,440
Speaker 27: Specifically?

2488
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 3: Like why have you always liked to want to play

2489
02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:04,480
Speaker 3: in this said?

2490
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 34: I think just like a lot of kids, you you

2491
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:12,960
Speaker 34: grow up going through Thanksgiving, You have your meals with

2492
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:14,280
Speaker 34: your family, and then you go and stay on the

2493
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:19,320
Speaker 34: couch and typically there's not a lot on except football.

2494
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:23,440
Speaker 27: Back in the day it was Lions and somebody.

2495
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 34: You go watch Matthew Stafford throw for three hundred four

2496
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:32,400
Speaker 34: hundred some yards with Calvin Johnson and probably lose the game,

2497
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:36,840
Speaker 34: but it was fun to watch. You know, those are

2498
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 34: memories that you have, and so I kind of always

2499
02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 34: wanted to be the person out there.

2500
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 2: You've You've done some really cool things.

2501
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 27: In your career.

2502
02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:46,800
Speaker 29: Is are you able to just appreciate how cool it

2503
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:49,400
Speaker 29: is to come back from major area on a prime

2504
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:52,120
Speaker 29: time thanks citing game that's particularly it's an increase.

2505
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:55,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2506
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:56,120
Speaker 7: I think.

2507
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,240
Speaker 34: Obviously the winning and the division championships that we've won

2508
02:14:04,040 --> 02:14:07,280
Speaker 34: are are the most exciting things that that we've done.

2509
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:12,600
Speaker 34: But whenever you have an opportunity like this against a

2510
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:18,400
Speaker 34: divisional opponent that's one five straight and you're playing on

2511
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:20,360
Speaker 34: a on a Thursday night in front of the world,

2512
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 34: that's a that's an exciting opportunity.

2513
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:26,280
Speaker 28: Whe regardless of what this team's record is or.

2514
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:28,280
Speaker 2: Was going to be, that you were going to come back.

2515
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 27: As soon as it happened, I was.

2516
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:32,400
Speaker 5: I was pushing to.

2517
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:36,200
Speaker 27: Do everything that we could to try to get back

2518
02:14:36,240 --> 02:14:38,680
Speaker 27: on the field. I'm a football player.

2519
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,960
Speaker 34: I get paid a lot of money to go and

2520
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 34: play a game with my friends, and we work really hard,

2521
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:48,280
Speaker 34: and you know, it's intense and there's jobs on the line,

2522
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:50,600
Speaker 34: but at the end of the day, it's a game.

2523
02:14:50,720 --> 02:14:53,320
Speaker 34: And I've worked hard to put myself in this position

2524
02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 34: and get as healthy as I can be to to

2525
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:58,720
Speaker 34: go out and play with these guys, and that's something

2526
02:14:58,800 --> 02:14:59,280
Speaker 34: I wanted to do.

2527
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:03,520
Speaker 30: Thoughts when people say you're the franchise, you're the most

2528
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:08,320
Speaker 30: important player, importaniz age, and you should be protected for

2529
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:10,200
Speaker 30: next year and going forward behind that.

2530
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:18,040
Speaker 34: You understand, Yes, I understand why people feel that way,

2531
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:22,800
Speaker 34: But if you look at it from my perspective, I'm.

2532
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:25,560
Speaker 27: A football player, and.

2533
02:15:27,800 --> 02:15:30,480
Speaker 34: If I get hurt, I'm gonna go through the rehab process,

2534
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:32,600
Speaker 34: and then I'm gonna let everybody know when I.

2535
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 5: Feel like.

2536
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:38,040
Speaker 27: I can go out there and play. I don't really

2537
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:39,240
Speaker 27: know what else to say about that.

2538
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 34: I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,

2539
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:50,800
Speaker 34: I'm healthy, But you know, I don't think I don't

2540
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:51,840
Speaker 34: think I should go out there and play.

2541
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:52,960
Speaker 27: That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

2542
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:56,120
Speaker 34: I'm not gonna live my life and play this game

2543
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:59,440
Speaker 34: scared of something happening.

2544
02:16:00,120 --> 02:16:00,880
Speaker 27: Something's gonna happen.

2545
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:03,920
Speaker 34: It's football. Guys are gonna get hurt. Guys are gonna

2546
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:07,440
Speaker 34: get concussions. You're gonna break bones, tear ligaments. It's a physical,

2547
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 34: intense game. That's that's part of this. And yeah, I've

2548
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:16,200
Speaker 34: had injuries. There's not a lot I can do about that.

2549
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:19,960
Speaker 34: I worked really hard to have that not happen. But

2550
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:22,040
Speaker 34: what I can do is when it does happen, I

2551
02:16:22,120 --> 02:16:25,960
Speaker 34: can control how I'm attacking my rehab and attacking practice

2552
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:27,840
Speaker 34: and doing everything in my power to get back as

2553
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:28,760
Speaker 34: quickly as possible.

2554
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:31,560
Speaker 32: That's what I did on the other Change anything about

2555
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:34,359
Speaker 32: the way you play, like extending plays and being cautious

2556
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:35,879
Speaker 32: with that, or you're out there and you're.

2557
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 33: Just gonna play the way you play.

2558
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:40,080
Speaker 27: We'll see, we'll see.

2559
02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:43,240
Speaker 34: I think I'm feeling I'm feeling good, good enough to

2560
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:46,720
Speaker 34: go out there and move and and extend. Obviously pick

2561
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:49,760
Speaker 34: my spots when when to do that and when not to,

2562
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 34: but I feel confident that in certain moments I'll be

2563
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:54,760
Speaker 34: able to do that.

2564
02:16:55,680 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 23: Sunday probably tough loss for you to have to sit

2565
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,560
Speaker 23: back and watch, but I mean with Pittsburgh using as well,

2566
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:03,600
Speaker 23: really didn't lose any ground in the division race. So

2567
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:05,760
Speaker 23: at this point in time, you know, if you guys

2568
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:08,680
Speaker 23: are able to win out, probably a pretty good chance

2569
02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:10,520
Speaker 23: that you could still get in, or you confident that

2570
02:17:10,560 --> 02:17:12,240
Speaker 23: you guys can run the table down stretch.

2571
02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 27: I think we just got to take you one game

2572
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:17,840
Speaker 27: at a time. I think, yeah, like you.

2573
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 34: Said, we have to win every game at this point.

2574
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:21,720
Speaker 34: The only way that you're going to do that is

2575
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:25,560
Speaker 34: by attacking each week like you have to be. Want

2576
02:17:25,560 --> 02:17:27,640
Speaker 34: to know that week and then move one in the next.

2577
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:29,120
Speaker 2: How hard has it?

2578
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:31,240
Speaker 35: I know, the rehab and the injury and all of

2579
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:34,040
Speaker 35: those things, but watching the team go through what they've

2580
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:36,640
Speaker 35: gone through over the past ten games or nine games

2581
02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:37,600
Speaker 35: about you, how hard does it?

2582
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,320
Speaker 34: Yeah, it's it's always tough when when you're not out

2583
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:44,040
Speaker 34: there and you can't contribute to when you're losing on

2584
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:44,440
Speaker 34: the field.

2585
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:48,760
Speaker 27: That's typically the hardest part about this whole thing.

2586
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:51,640
Speaker 13: So, yeah, it was tough.

2587
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:56,760
Speaker 27: It's tough to watch from my position. Obviously, I want

2588
02:17:56,760 --> 02:17:57,720
Speaker 27: to be out there with everybody.

2589
02:17:57,800 --> 02:17:59,280
Speaker 5: So but that's part of it.

2590
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:02,360
Speaker 31: You big Blacko's brain and try to learn from him.

2591
02:18:03,080 --> 02:18:05,800
Speaker 34: Yeah, I think whenever you have a guy that's played

2592
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:11,440
Speaker 34: that long, you can, especially a guy that plays so

2593
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:17,920
Speaker 34: much differently than you do, you can you ask him

2594
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,520
Speaker 34: what he thought in this situation or how how would

2595
02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:23,960
Speaker 34: you react to this or that? And he's played a

2596
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 34: long time and played at a high level. So that's

2597
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:28,880
Speaker 34: something that I did take advantage of.

2598
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,600
Speaker 26: Going back to the earlier question about play style in general,

2599
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,520
Speaker 26: just not even injury related, but just having been through

2600
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 26: it and once you get back to full striketh fully,

2601
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:38,960
Speaker 26: is there something that you thought about maybe I'd like

2602
02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:41,400
Speaker 26: to play a little bit differently. Have you assessed how

2603
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:43,279
Speaker 26: you might like to play as a quarterback roverboard?

2604
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:44,040
Speaker 27: Does that change at all?

2605
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:45,600
Speaker 26: Given what happened with this injury?

2606
02:18:46,720 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 34: You think about a lot of different things when number

2607
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:51,720
Speaker 34: one you have time to think about him, and you know,

2608
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 34: you watch a lot of games across the league and

2609
02:18:54,640 --> 02:18:58,680
Speaker 34: you see who's playing well, who's not, what's working schematically?

2610
02:18:58,760 --> 02:18:59,439
Speaker 15: What isn't.

2611
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:02,199
Speaker 27: You evaluate everything?

2612
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:05,280
Speaker 28: Joe, what's been your impression of the running game the

2613
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:07,800
Speaker 28: last month, month and a half and how instrumental can

2614
02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:09,640
Speaker 28: that be and kind of helping you ease your way

2615
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:09,959
Speaker 28: back here?

2616
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,119
Speaker 34: Yeah, we gotta keep building on that. That's been that's

2617
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:14,560
Speaker 34: been a positive of everything that's been going on. I

2618
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 34: think we've been physical, I think schematically we've done a

2619
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:21,840
Speaker 34: lot of things to get an advantage in that in

2620
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:25,000
Speaker 34: that realm, and we've got to keep building on it.

2621
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 34: Chases gonna run like he runs, He's gonna make people

2622
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 34: miss and have explosive plays.

2623
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:33,040
Speaker 27: He's got to keep blocking the way that we are

2624
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:35,920
Speaker 27: in the run game, and I think that momentum will carry.

2625
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:37,520
Speaker 27: I assume it's fair to say that it was not

2626
02:19:37,560 --> 02:19:40,520
Speaker 27: one hundred percent. Where would you put it right now?

2627
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:41,600
Speaker 5: It's tough to say.

2628
02:19:41,640 --> 02:19:43,200
Speaker 27: I feel I feel confident that I can go out

2629
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 27: and do everything that I need to do to win

2630
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:45,320
Speaker 27: a game.

2631
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:47,640
Speaker 35: Can you take us through and this is going way

2632
02:19:47,720 --> 02:19:49,240
Speaker 35: back to the injury, but just take us through the

2633
02:19:49,320 --> 02:19:53,040
Speaker 35: play where you're looking at Jamar and what was going

2634
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:55,480
Speaker 35: on through your mind during that play?

2635
02:19:55,560 --> 02:19:58,240
Speaker 2: Obviously you end up getting hurt on Yeah, that was h.

2636
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:03,480
Speaker 34: You're trying to get the ball out and some unexpected

2637
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:06,160
Speaker 34: things happen that you can't really let it go, and

2638
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:12,640
Speaker 34: then pocket starts collapsing. You try to buy a little

2639
02:20:12,680 --> 02:20:14,240
Speaker 34: time and then I just tried to get myself up

2640
02:20:14,320 --> 02:20:16,520
Speaker 34: and my foot got comm then turf, so.

2641
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:19,119
Speaker 27: Unlucky.

2642
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 35: Is there anything you could have done differently? I mean,

2643
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:23,760
Speaker 35: he's obviously jammed up, it's not free. You're trying to

2644
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:26,200
Speaker 35: hit him right away, like quarterback wise, Is there anything

2645
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:27,880
Speaker 35: that you would have done differently in that moment?

2646
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,360
Speaker 34: Hindsight is twenty twenty. You can't you can't play a

2647
02:20:32,400 --> 02:20:39,000
Speaker 34: play or game or a practice or anything worried about getting.

2648
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:41,600
Speaker 27: Hurt or doing anything like that. So there's not anything

2649
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:42,760
Speaker 27: I would have done differently.

2650
02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:45,280
Speaker 28: In that play safe to say, this is an extremely

2651
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 28: unique situation where football expression is train's moving at one

2652
02:20:49,959 --> 02:20:52,480
Speaker 28: hundred miles an hour and you're jumping onto a moving

2653
02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:55,080
Speaker 28: train at one hundred miles an hour. You thought about that,

2654
02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:57,359
Speaker 28: about what you're going to have to do, not only.

2655
02:20:59,160 --> 02:21:01,800
Speaker 2: Get ready and you might either play at that level.

2656
02:21:01,879 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's certainly a different.

2657
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:07,280
Speaker 34: Mental space that you have to be in throughout the

2658
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:09,600
Speaker 34: week to prepare the way you need to to go

2659
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:14,360
Speaker 34: out and play great. That's one of the reasons I

2660
02:21:14,440 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 34: wanted to get two full weeks of practice before I

2661
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:24,280
Speaker 34: went out there and performed, and then you know, we

2662
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,440
Speaker 34: we were going to move up that timeline and then

2663
02:21:27,720 --> 02:21:29,560
Speaker 34: obviously didn't end up playing last week.

2664
02:21:29,400 --> 02:21:33,000
Speaker 27: But you know, preparing that whole week like I wasn't

2665
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:33,879
Speaker 27: going to play, I think.

2666
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:40,480
Speaker 34: Putting yourself in that mental state to get back into

2667
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:43,520
Speaker 34: the swing of things it's a it's a it's an

2668
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:46,440
Speaker 34: intense place to be at times. So I'm glad I

2669
02:21:46,520 --> 02:21:49,879
Speaker 34: had that week to feel that before Thursday.

2670
02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:52,520
Speaker 31: In twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, you basically

2671
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,440
Speaker 31: missed like six weeks of camp and came back and

2672
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:56,959
Speaker 31: played with about two weeks of practice. That belt all

2673
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:01,400
Speaker 31: similar to this, just in terms of missing a decent

2674
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:03,640
Speaker 31: chunk of time and coming back with limited practice ships.

2675
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe a little.

2676
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:10,680
Speaker 27: I think, you know, I think I've had more practice

2677
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:10,960
Speaker 27: this year.

2678
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 34: I went through a full training camp, I got preseason reps,

2679
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:17,680
Speaker 34: played a game, played another quarter and a half, and

2680
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:20,000
Speaker 34: then had two full weeks these last two weeks. So

2681
02:22:20,680 --> 02:22:24,280
Speaker 34: I think I'm probably in more advantageous spot this time

2682
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:24,880
Speaker 34: than that time.

2683
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:27,400
Speaker 27: So I'm happy about that.

2684
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:30,640
Speaker 26: In twenty two, I think after the won the division, well,

2685
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 26: I think somebody asked you about the window. You said

2686
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:35,200
Speaker 26: the window is your whole career. Has that changed in

2687
02:22:35,240 --> 02:22:37,520
Speaker 26: your mind after what's happened over the last three years.

2688
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:41,560
Speaker 26: How much have you thought about that championship window given

2689
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:43,800
Speaker 26: what's happened now since you've made that statement.

2690
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:46,599
Speaker 27: To now, Yeah, I think anytime.

2691
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:50,840
Speaker 34: Any of us step foot on the field, we are

2692
02:22:50,920 --> 02:22:56,640
Speaker 34: confident that we can go and be whoever I'm I'll

2693
02:22:56,720 --> 02:23:00,400
Speaker 34: never step on the foot on the field, and I

2694
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:05,120
Speaker 34: don't think we can win when I don't think that

2695
02:23:06,959 --> 02:23:09,600
Speaker 34: I can go out and play great and put us

2696
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,720
Speaker 34: in a position to win. The second that that happens,

2697
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:16,920
Speaker 34: then I shouldn't be playing anymore. So I'm always confident

2698
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,879
Speaker 34: in myself and my teammates for sure, whether.

2699
02:23:19,720 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 26: It's this year or next year, whenever, what needs to

2700
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:23,680
Speaker 26: happen from here on out to put you all position

2701
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:26,720
Speaker 26: to be contending, in a position to be pushed towards

2702
02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:28,840
Speaker 26: the playoffs with better odds than where we all have

2703
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:30,440
Speaker 26: been this year and last year.

2704
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:33,240
Speaker 27: Players gotta go play great, We gotta go play you know,

2705
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:37,440
Speaker 27: we have good coaches. We have There's not there's not

2706
02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:38,120
Speaker 27: a scheme in the end,