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Speaker 1: All right, you'll hear from au Ando Suarez coming up

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Speaker 1: at seven oh six tonight. It's here from my first

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Speaker 1: guest though. He is a national baseball writer for cbssports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Big fan of his work. He's the author

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Speaker 1: of a new book about leadoff hitters. It's titled The

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Speaker 1: Leadoff Man, The History of the Evolution of and fun

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Speaker 1: with the greatest catalyst in sports. Let's talk some Reds,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk some baseball. Let's talk about his new book,

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Speaker 1: and welcome in, Matt Snyder. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great man. Thank you for that introduction.

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Speaker 1: It is a great catching up and hearing your voice.

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Speaker 1: Let's start. First things first, let's do a little Reds.

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Speaker 1: Then to do a little bit on the book. Eohanio Suarez,

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Speaker 1: one year, fifteen million. What's your reaction to the Reds

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Speaker 1: landing the big bat they've been looking for.

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Speaker 2: I really like it, you know, I wanted them more

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Speaker 2: heavily on Pete Alonzo. Kyles Forber, I think was never

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Speaker 2: gonna happen. Philly was never going to let him go.

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Speaker 2: I wanted them more heavily on Pete Alonzo. But I

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Speaker 2: understand not doing the deal that the Orioles gave Alonzo

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Speaker 2: still thought they needed some major thunder in the middle

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Speaker 2: Reds for a playoff team last year, Ellie de la

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Speaker 2: half their games are played in Greater Merit and ballpark,

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Speaker 2: that you'd like a little more thunder in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the Laura there. And as far as you're gonna

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Speaker 2: but you're gonna get a guy who's capable of hitting

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Speaker 2: So you can look at this lineup and say you know,

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Speaker 2: especially with South Stewart getting in the mix now, like

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Speaker 2: And hey, they were playoff team last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Matt, that's a great point because as much

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Speaker 1: as going into this offseason, if we look now as

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, it's you always hope for natural growth from

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Speaker 2: and Marte's still plenty of room for growth. Only ninety

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get internal growth. I mean, you go up

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Speaker 1: Matt Snyder checking incbsports dot com, author of the new

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Speaker 1: book The leadoff Man. So what do you make of

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Speaker 2: I think the Cubs look like the best team on paper.

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Speaker 1: All right, So the book is The Leadoff Man, the

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Speaker 1: History of the evolution of and the fun with the

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Speaker 2: Well, I've actually had my eyes on something like this

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Speaker 2: Especially and this is I love being on WLW to

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I'll quit on my head. Then I'll

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Speaker 1: make everybody read the Bok book to get the rest.

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Speaker 1: In fact, tell them how they can get the book.

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Speaker 1: If they want to read The leadoff Man, The History

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Speaker 1: of the Evolution of and Fun with the Greatest cattlest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on Amazon dot com. So just go to

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Speaker 2: Amazon and type in the leadoff Man and it should

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Speaker 2: my social media accounts, for example Matt Snyder CBS on

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Speaker 2: X and I've got a pin tweet with a direct

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Speaker 1: All right, last question, I save the worst scenarios for last.

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Speaker 1: Look into your crystal ball, Matt Snyder, cbssports dot com.

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Speaker 1: What does the conclusion of the twenty twenty six season

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Speaker 2: Oh, there will absolutely be a lockout. But I'm a

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Speaker 1: Do you see in that scenario a salary cap and

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Speaker 1: floor or not.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that it's going to be a hard

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Speaker 2: to be there will be more training wheels thrown on,

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Speaker 2: There are going to be some guardrails thrown on teams

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Speaker 2: like what I would imagine most red stands rightfully would want.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it is great catching up with you. I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy for you with the book. Congrats on it. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bug intoor in the baseball season, so so

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Speaker 1: make sure you answer my text.

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Speaker 2: All right, absolutely will, Thanks Matt, Take care, have a

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Speaker 2: good one.

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Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Matt snydercbsports dot Com with

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Speaker 1: about the I've read thousands of okay, maybe close to

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Speaker 1: to see that list. All right, let's do this. Uh,

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