1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: All right, My first guest covers the Bengals like a 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Shutdown Corner as publisher of Bengals Talk dot Com, the 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Bengals Talk podcast, Locked on Bengals Podcast. He's a noted 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: author as well. We must be speaking of James Rapine, 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: and let's speak of the Trey Hendrickson news today. Your 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: reaction to no tag for Tea or Trey and free agency, Now. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, no tag for Trey. Even though they 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: were in position, I thought in a lot of ways 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: to do it, here's the one that was most important, 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: the relationship, and the relationship was non existent, and so 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: not surprised at all. This is my expectation for months. 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: I think the Bengals expected it for months. That didn't 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: stop me from making the case for why they should 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: franchise tag him, for why they should try to rekindle 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: that relationship enough to at least get something for him. 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: But I always knew it was a long shot, Lance, 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: and so I'm not surprised at all that Trey Hendrickson 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: is going to have a new team probably a week 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: from now. I think it gets done really early Monday, 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: during that negotiating window. 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: James, what would you say to the Bengal fan tonight 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: who turns their hands to the sky and says, how 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: can you let him walk and not execute a tag 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: in trade and get something for it? 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, it's complicated and it is complicated, and it's 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: not as easy as just saying, all right, well tag him, 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: send him somewhere like you would need him to be 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: cooperative during that time and his agent, in his powers 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: that be to be that way. But here's where it 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: is on the Bengals. It's on them to make sure 31 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: that that relationship, even if they're sick of them, isn't 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: a good enough spot. So they can do that. I 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: was thinking about it today. So they agreed to his 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: reworked deal in late August to get him back on 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: the field. Basically he went from sixteen million for twenty 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: twenty five to twenty nine million for twenty twenty five 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: and it gets him back on the field. And it 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: surprised me then, But within a half hour of that newsbreak, 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: I was thinking, all right, franchise tach, how realistic is it? 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: How much does it cost? Trying to figure out exactly 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: what the case was. And so if I was the Bengals, 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: I would have tried from then on to make sure 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: the relationship was decent enough to where you could go 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: to him three weeks ago, a month ago and say, hey, Trey, 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: we want to get you paid. We understand that you 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: want to go elsewhere so you can get paid. We 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: haven't seen eye to eye on this contract stuff. Work 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: with us so we can find the right spot for you. 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: Here's the other part of this that really made it 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: tough for a tag and trade the league, and Trey 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: has to believe that you're comfortable keeping him, has to 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: believe that you're comfortable tagging him, and when you're not, 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: and it was very clear the Bengals were not comfortable 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: tagging him and being in the tree Hundrickson business for 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: another year, then why would anyone believe you? And they'll 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: call your bluff at the poker table. So they sort 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: of put themselves in this position, and it's unfortunate because 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: they need pass rush and they're letting the best pass 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: rusher and free agency go elsewhere. 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: James In's simplest terms explain the still the remaining possibility 61 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: for a compensatory pick in return. 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: Oh man, oh Man. So basically the easiest way I 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: mean this is talking about complex. There's a lot that 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: goes into this formula, but the easiest way to look 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: at it is free agents out versus free agents ten 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: and salary, playing time. All of those things are major factors. 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: But if the Bengals fine, five free agents, and I 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: think they should be looking at five starting level caliber players, 69 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: just defensively in free agency, two edges, a defensive tackle. 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean these guys have to start, but they 71 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: need to be starting caliber a linebacker. And they say, 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: and so that's five guys right there, Well, that means 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: that you need to lose. Well, Trey Hendrickson, he's going 74 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: to sign a big deal, Joe Flacco, you got Joseph Osai, 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: maybe Caam Taylor britt gets, you know, a three million 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: dollar ish deal. But that's it. It's free agents in 77 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: versus free agents out. And there aren't many scenarios bar 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: in multiple trades or something unforeseen where the Bengals have 79 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: a successful free agent period in my mind, and also 80 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: get something back next year in exchange for Trey in 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: the form of a compensatory pick. 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: How should a Bengal fan, how will you remember the 83 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: five seasons of Trey Hendrickson? In Cincinnati. 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh man. I mean, it's funny how it ends, and 85 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: usually things end poorly when it comes to two things 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: like this. Very rarely doesn't end the way you want. 87 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: And I think over time we'll forget that to a degree. 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: I just remember the night he signed, and it's a 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: four year, sixty million dollar contract, and Carl Lawson had 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: I disagree to terms with the Jets, and within an 91 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: hour the Bengals get something done with Trey Hendrickson and 92 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: come to an agreement. And there was like legitimate concern 93 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: that they spent on the wrong guy. He only produced 94 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: for one year. He's a former mid round pick, had 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: the shorter arm talk about arm length, ruber Vane talk 96 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: shorter arms, like is it going to work? He had 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: this castive characters around him for New Orleans, and he 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: comes here and he exceeds expectations and they go to 99 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: the super Bowl and he's a big part of what 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: they do. So that's what I will remember, is in 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: exceeding expectations. But of course the contract stuff, the trade requests, 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: all the size stuff is going to matter and be 103 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: a factor. But you look at their history and it's 104 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: really easy to make a case that he's the best 105 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: free agent signing in team history. Maybe he'll change that 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: next week, but as of now, he's at her near 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: the top of the list. 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: According to a report today, the Dalton Reisner deal of 109 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: one year is three point two five million, a million 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: guaranteed one point seven and in seven of his potentially 111 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 1: what's your reaction to that deal? 112 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, what a steal of a deal, Dalton man, 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: You must really love faking. He must love bake or stadium. 114 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 2: You know, it's just the skyline Chile every day. And 115 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: you know, I think he honestly, I think he could 116 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: have gotten double that right, two years, ten million probably 117 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: a minimum, and he just must really love it here 118 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: love the culture. One of blocks for Joe Burrow and 119 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: good on him. And here's this is how it should be. 120 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: Lance Like they should be such a contender that guys 121 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: want to come here, that guys are willing to take 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: a little less, and it should feel like this amazing 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: environment and culture and they have a chance every single year. 124 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: And to be quite honest, it hasn't felt like that 125 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: the past couple of years. Free agency hasn't felt like 126 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: that the past couple of years. That needs to change. 127 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: I think one of the noteworthy quotes from yesterday was 128 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: Reisner saying that Joe Burrow said this is our year. 129 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: I love that, and I hope it leads to extreme, 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: extreme aggressiveness when it comes to free agency a week 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: from now, because they need to really push those chips in. 132 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, what a steal of a deal for Dalton Riser. 133 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: That contract is uh S team friendly to say the lease? 134 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: All right? 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: The last time we spoke, I believe you were quoting 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: various Batman movies and making sound effects regarding Reuben Bain 137 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: after the combine. Are you still all in on the 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: short armed Miami Hurricane edge Rusher? Yeah? 139 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: I was. I was rooting for that, you know, thirteen 140 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: inch arms. I don't care Rex. All you want, you know, 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: t Rex Bain beat up Batman and it breaks Batman's 142 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: back in the dark Knight rises, right, So look, I 143 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: think absolutely, if he's there, you take him. And I 144 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: focus so much on on players, and with the tenth pick, 145 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: I need an elite player, not the position. I don't 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: really care as much about need. Obviously you default in need, 147 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: but I'm like, this should be the last time in 148 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: the Joe Burrow era, you're picking anywhere near pen. This 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: should be the last time that you're in this situation, 150 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: so make the most of it. Get an elite player. 151 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: If Ruben Bain is there, you say, thanks idiot for 152 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: passing on in because of his arms. We're going to 153 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: take Ruben Bain and we have our next. Really worst case, 154 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: he's a ten year pro that's going to be just 155 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: a solid player, But I think he has a chance 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: to be a star. 157 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: All right, you have been pumping out NonStop content today. 158 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: I was watching your live show. Detail for listeners what 159 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: they can see, read, follow, and get from you. 160 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: Oh man, if you go to Cincinnati. Bengalstalk right now 161 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: on YouTube a one hour essentially one hour live show 162 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: where I open up the book as much as I 163 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: can on Trey Hendrickson and share every detail of ups downs, 164 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: why he got here, a message I sent to him, 165 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: why I asked up Toobin, what I asked last week. 166 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean, there's as much there, I think, probably as 167 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: I can share publicly when it comes to this multi 168 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: year saga. Obviously, Bengals Talk dot Com is a one 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 2: snapshot for all things bangles and buckle up LEAs. I 170 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: do think we're going to be busy. I think this 171 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: is going to be a very hectic week, starting next 172 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: Monday when the legal tampering flash negotiating window opens and. 173 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: New oh baby. All right, busy day, crazy day. I 174 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: always appreciate you carbon out time tonight, thank you, of course, 175 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: thanks Mins. All right, he is James Rapine, all over it.