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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: I think everybody who was listening to this program over

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Speaker 2: the last year years, I should say, knows what my

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Speaker 2: position is on the state of Israel and upon anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism generally. In the wake of what happened in Israel

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Speaker 2: in October of twenty twenty three, there was a commission

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Speaker 2: formed here in Massachusetts. It was a commission, a Special

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Speaker 2: Commission on combating anti Semitism, and they met for sixteen

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Speaker 2: public meetings between October twenty twenty four and last month.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred individuals testified, and anti Semitism is basically described

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Speaker 2: as hatred of Jews for being Jewish. With me now

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Speaker 2: is one of the members of that commission. There were

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Speaker 2: two members appointed by a Governor Haley and Governor Healey

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Speaker 2: excuse me, what am I saying, Mara Healey and one

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Speaker 2: of the two well, there were several commissioners here. Let

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Speaker 2: me make that very clear that we're on this committee.

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Speaker 2: But to one of the two commissioners appointed by Governor

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Speaker 2: Healey is with us now, Dave Friedman. Dave is someone

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Speaker 2: and someone who have known for a while. Amongst other things,

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Speaker 2: he is executive vice president of Legal and Government Affairs

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Speaker 2: and chief compliance officer with the Boston Red Sox. Dave Friedman,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir, Dan?

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Speaker 3: How are you? Thank you so much for having me tonight.

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Speaker 4: I'll get to.

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Speaker 2: Brag on you a little bit. Dave is a very

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Speaker 2: successful lawyer, graduated from Harvard undergraduate Harvard Law School, president

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Speaker 2: then US Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and uh

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Speaker 2: it so also the chair of the board of the

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth Shakespeare Company. So not only does he like the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox with raucous crowds, but he also likes Shakespeare

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Speaker 2: on the Commons. So you are a renaissance man, mister Friedman.

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Speaker 2: How you You've done quite a bit in your time.

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Speaker 2: And on a more serious note, you would also served

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Speaker 2: as a first Assistant Attorney General here in Massachusetts, uh

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Speaker 2: and uh where you advise Attorney General then Attorney General

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Speaker 2: Martha Cokeley. But this was an important commission that you

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Speaker 2: were tasked to participate on. We've all learned that anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism is probably much more prevalent than any of us

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Speaker 2: would would would have wanted. Give us give us the

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Speaker 2: bottom line here, how much work has to be done

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Speaker 2: in Massachusetts before we get into the specific What did

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Speaker 2: the Commission find in terms of the level of anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism that now exists in Massachusetts two years after that

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Speaker 2: horrific Saturday morning in Israel in October of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Dan, First, again, I want to thank you for having

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Speaker 3: me tonight, and I was reflecting, you know, thirteen years

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Speaker 3: ago I was here on your show, in my red

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Speaker 3: thoughts capacity talking about the one hundredth anniversary of Fenway Park,

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Speaker 3: And so you think, thirteen years ago, we're celebrating a

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Speaker 3: love affair between a city and a ballpark. I never,

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Speaker 3: in my wildest dreams would have thought, even two and

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Speaker 3: a half years ago, that I'd be devoting so much

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Speaker 3: of my time to fighting anti Semitism, and that I'd

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Speaker 3: be here with you talking about the world's oldest hatred.

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Speaker 3: And I don't have enough time. We don't have enough

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Speaker 3: time to recount everything in the Special Commission's report. But

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Speaker 3: let me try to cut to the chase of your answer.

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Speaker 3: This Commission was a great honor to serve on. There

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Speaker 3: were nineteen members. It was co chaired by two incredibly

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Speaker 3: great leaders. State Senator John Velis from Westfield. He is

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Speaker 3: not Jewish, but you couldn't find a stronger ally for

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Speaker 3: Jewish people. He's actually now deployed as a member of

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Speaker 3: the National Guard. And then State Representative Simon Cataldo, who's

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Speaker 3: so we have this broad commission of members tasked with

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Speaker 3: Massachusetts and our findings, and it's all available on the

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Speaker 3: Commanding Anti Semitism. Of course, we have a bunch of

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Speaker 3: factual findings and we found that, in fact, as you said,

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Speaker 3: anti Semitism here in Massachusetts is a systemic problem. It's

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Speaker 3: very serious, it's pervasive. A lot of the response has

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Speaker 3: And we found this. We focused on K through twelve education,

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Speaker 3: if only it were that easy. But we have a

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Speaker 3: What is anti Semitism. There's a lot of misunderstanding about

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Speaker 3: the nature of this hate. We certainly have of recommendations

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Speaker 3: don't just brush it under the rug. There should be

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Speaker 3: clear communication to condemn that, clear protocol for reporting of incidents,

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Speaker 3: for treating it seriously with respect. Education, certainly, Holocaust education

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Speaker 3: is a piece of the puzzle, but not the entire puzzle,

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Speaker 3: trying to promote civic discourse. We urge schools and employers

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Speaker 3: to celebrate Jewish American Heritage Month in May, so the

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Speaker 3: whole range of things, And in doing this we try

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Speaker 3: to pursue what we call the Massachusetts Way, which is

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Speaker 3: taking this very seriously, treating it just as seriously as

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Speaker 3: other forms of hate, and at the same time doing

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Speaker 3: that in a way that respects civil liberties, that understands

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Speaker 3: that the First Amendment is a bulwark that protects people's

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing in our report that comes close to

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Speaker 3: which they're perfectly capable of doing. But we're trying to

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Speaker 2: I guess is Attorney Dave Friedman. He's a legal counsul

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Speaker 2: for the Boston Red Sox and he has just finished

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Speaker 2: a year serving on this committee. He was appointed by

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Speaker 2: Governor Healy Aster's Special Commissioner of Combating Anti Semitism. We

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Speaker 2: about how this could still exist, you know now it's

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Speaker 4: And I want.

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Speaker 2: To why we here in Massachusetts cannot be the best example,

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Speaker 2: and can we be the best example. So that's the

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Speaker 2: question that I'd like to get into, and those of

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Speaker 2: over some of the specific ideas. A lot of it

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Speaker 2: important topic. We saw what happened in Israel two years

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Speaker 2: hundreds hundreds who were killed purely innocent people who were

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Speaker 2: combating anti Semitism in Massachusetts. Wouldn't it be great if

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Speaker 2: we didn't have to worry about this? But we do

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Speaker 2: need to worry about it. Back on Nightside right after this.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news

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Speaker 1: radio with me.

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Speaker 4: As attorney Dave Friedman.

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Speaker 2: He's also the executive vice president and chief legal counsel,

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Speaker 2: legal and government fairs and chief Compliance officer for the

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Speaker 2: Boston Red Sox, and he has just finished serving a

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Speaker 2: year on the Massachusetts Special Commission on Combating Anti Semitism,

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Speaker 2: appointed one of the two appointees that Governor more Healy

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Speaker 2: for the life of me don't understand, and growing up

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Speaker 2: that a lot of the the hateful comments we associated

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Speaker 2: and it is you know, a long time that that

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Speaker 2: that we've been dealing with this. Why, in your opinion,

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Speaker 2: Above all, we would like to think that we're the

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Speaker 2: and I don't I have never understood anti Semitism from

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Speaker 3: It's perplexing, Dan, And it's a shape shifting kind of

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Speaker 3: hate that, for instance, gives you the following paradox. At

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Speaker 3: the same time, you have a white supremacist saying Jews

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Speaker 3: had the BDS movement, which stands for boycott, to vest

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Speaker 3: So every year you go to college campuses and the campaign,

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Speaker 3: the drumbeat is, you know, Israel's an apartheid nation, singling

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Speaker 3: much less live free lives. But this campaign singles at Israel.

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Speaker 3: It's been calling Israel a genocidal state for twenty years,

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Speaker 3: and ineffective at doing so. And so the BDS movement

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Speaker 3: is this propaganda campaign. What we saw right after October

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Speaker 3: seventh was student groups armed with toolkits, literally ready on

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Speaker 3: It's baffling and frustrating. But I had a college classmate

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Speaker 3: So this is before Israel has mobilized to do any

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Speaker 2: When people compared Israel to apartheid South Africa. I wanted

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Speaker 4: With Me's attorney, Dave Freeman.

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Speaker 2: He has just finished a year long role as a

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Speaker 2: Two appointees to this commission, which I think you had

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Speaker 6: Okay. My position, I'm one of the Semites who's the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you and thank you Harvey. I have a

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Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties. Professor Aton Hirsch, a brilliant professor, has

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Speaker 3: done some survey work. In twenty twenty four, he asked

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Speaker 3: for US students on college campuses, non Jewish students. He

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Speaker 3: asked the question, would you be friends with someone who

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Speaker 3: supports the existence of Israel as a Jewish state? Not

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Speaker 3: do you support every action of the Israeli government. You

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Speaker 3: support the existence of Israel, would you be friends with

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Speaker 3: that person? Because most Jews do support the existence of Israel.

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Speaker 3: Twenty percent, one in five said no. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: friends with someone supports Israel's existence. Another forty five percent

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Speaker 3: said they weren't sure. And when I see that answer,

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Speaker 3: I think it probably means nah, I've got a problem

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Speaker 3: with that, or at least I have to think about it.

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Speaker 3: So if two of three non Jewish students in America

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Speaker 3: aren't sure or not willing to be friends with someone

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Speaker 3: who believes in Israel's existence, that's a pretty big problem.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: However, your comment, well, I can see his point of view.

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Speaker 2: Again, he's not talking about penalizing people for saying. Look,

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Speaker 2: there was the professor from Cornell I forget what his

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Speaker 2: name was, and in the wake of what happened on

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Speaker 2: October seventh, he said that he was exhilarated. Now that

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Speaker 2: guy's still teaching at Cornell, as I understand it, he

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Speaker 2: was exhilarated by that massacre, that slaughter. How can you

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Speaker 2: be a professor at Cornell University and even articulate those

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Speaker 2: words in relation to what happened on October seventh.

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Speaker 7: Academic freedom, well, you could articulate, I mean, if physically

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Speaker 7: you can articulate those words, stay at academic freedom, But

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Speaker 7: from a from an ethical or a moral a moral

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Speaker 7: point of view, How can you believe in.

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Speaker 2: In your articulation of those words. People could say anything

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Speaker 2: they want, but.

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Speaker 6: We have a we have a right to criticize and

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Speaker 6: comment on such people. But I do think that it's

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Speaker 6: not an excuse for attempting to fire somebody.

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Speaker 2: Well, my of the question is if I was a

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Speaker 2: Jewish student in that class, or if my my son

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Speaker 2: and daughter were Jewish students in that class, would they

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Speaker 2: be treated fairly by that professor who says he was

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Speaker 2: exhilarated by that. I mean, I'm just using that as

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Speaker 2: one example, that's all. I'm not going to beat a

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Speaker 2: dead horse on it. But Harvey, as always, you are

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Speaker 2: one of my my most challenging callers and one of

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Speaker 2: my best friends. So thank you for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much as always.

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Speaker 4: Right, oh, all right, thanks, we'll be back.

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Speaker 2: I got Steven Cambridge and Steven Topshill coming up. My

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Speaker 2: guest is Dave Friedman. He was a member of the

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Speaker 2: Special Commission here at Massachusetts and combating anti Semitism. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back on Nightside right after this.

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Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Back to the phones, you go. Let me go to

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Speaker 2: Steven Cambridge. Steve, welcome, you are next on Nightside with the.

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Speaker 8: True Good Evening, Dave Dave. I think on college campuses

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Speaker 8: for about the last twenty years or thirty years, there's

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Speaker 8: been kind of this genesis of this anti colonialism, and

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Speaker 8: they feel that the British Empire and America and Europeans

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Speaker 8: and white people in general are racist, exploitive, and genocidal.

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Speaker 8: So I don't think this has been something that's been

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Speaker 8: funded by Hamas to target Israel. It's a much more

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Speaker 8: sweeping type of condemnation of Western society, of which they

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Speaker 8: think Israel is an example.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Steve. I agree with that. And actually the Hamas

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Speaker 3: funded propaganda, which is also a verified fact, feeds into

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Speaker 3: what you're talking about. And that's what's so clever about

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Speaker 3: it is there's these phrases that are being used to

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Speaker 3: demonize Israel that are tested and they say, okay, well

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Speaker 3: this is going to feed into Americans perception and the left.

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Speaker 3: You know, they don't like apartheid, so let's use that phrase.

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Speaker 3: They don't like the colonialism of the West, so let's

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Speaker 3: say that Israel is a settlar, clonalist nation and You're

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Speaker 3: absolutely right, and of course you can teach history in

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Speaker 3: a very slanted way where the Holocaust is not relevant

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Speaker 3: to the founding of Israel. Of course, we know that

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Speaker 3: the reason Israel was created as was a Palestinian state

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Speaker 3: in nineteen forty eight was an immediate response to the Holocaust.

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Speaker 3: So I think that your point.

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Speaker 6: As well taken.

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Speaker 8: One other point, I am a supporter of Israel, and

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Speaker 8: I find I can't I can't talk to anybody because

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Speaker 8: either the people I know are such strong supporters of

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Speaker 8: Israel that any criticism of Israel is deemed anti Semitism,

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Speaker 8: and I know the other people who any kind of

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Speaker 8: defense of Israel at all is met with just frightful response.

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Speaker 8: But the other day in the newspaper it said that

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Speaker 8: at this point in Gaza, seventy thousand people have been killed.

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Speaker 8: How does how do you respond to that you, personally.

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Speaker 3: Dave, Yeah, I mean a couple of things. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the Anti Semitism Commission's focus wasn't on Middle East policy,

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Speaker 3: and you know, our focus ended up getting into Israel

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Speaker 3: issues because there's a huge difference between criticizing the actions

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Speaker 3: or policies of an Israeli government and going further and

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Speaker 3: saying the whole nation isn't legitimate from the river to

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Speaker 3: the sea, we should eliminate it. So that's one answer

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Speaker 3: is you can bemoan the war and what's happened, but

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Speaker 3: also understand that Israel is legitimate and that there's a

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Speaker 3: line with respect to your question. More pointedly, I don't

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Speaker 3: trust the figures that Hamas uses for deaths. Why would

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Speaker 3: we trust anything they say? And now I'm just speaking

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Speaker 3: on my own behalf, not on behalf of the Commission.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of dead people in Gaza,

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Speaker 3: and that's a tragedy. It was a tragedy that was

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Speaker 3: started by Hamas on October seventh, and thank goodness, there's

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Speaker 3: a ceasefire in place now and we pray for a

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Speaker 3: future where there can be more peace. But I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you raised the question in this sense. One of the

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Speaker 3: challenges that our Commission faced was there are some Jewish people,

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Speaker 3: mostly left wing Jews, who consider themselves anti Zionists. They

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Speaker 3: may not favor a two state solution, and our Commission

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Speaker 3: went out of our way to try to hear them

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Speaker 3: and say there is room for good faith sincere discussion

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Speaker 3: on these issue there's room in good faith to say,

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Speaker 3: you know, wouldn't it be nice for people in the

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Speaker 3: area that's now Israel to all live in peace and

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Speaker 3: not have two states. That's very different from the violent

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Speaker 3: thro Haamas propaganda that's out there. And most Jews when

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Speaker 3: they hear chance like globalizing in Tofado or from the

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Speaker 3: river to sea, find that offensive and traumatic. But if

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Speaker 3: you're being thoughtful and responsible and even nuanced about it,

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Speaker 3: then sure some people when they want to have these

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Speaker 3: discussions that Israel, there is room for that good faith dialogue,

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Speaker 3: and we try to recognize that as a commission.

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Speaker 2: Steve is always thank you for the very thoughtful questions

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Speaker 2: of gone.

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Speaker 8: And thank you, Thank you, David, have a great night.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to another Steve. This one is in Topsfield.

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Speaker 2: Steven Topsfield, next on nice side with Attorney Dave Friedman.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Steve, Hey, Dave, how are you.

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Speaker 6: Great?

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Speaker 3: How are you good?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 9: Hey Davey. You know what's interesting that that last you know,

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Speaker 9: speaker hit at one point the thing I wanted to

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Speaker 9: discuss was the civilian casualties that are taking place in

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Speaker 9: this war, and it's huge between Hamas Palestinian people. What happened,

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Speaker 9: you know, Ober and whatnot. But there there's a huge

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Speaker 9: amount of casualties on the population of Palestine, and I

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Speaker 9: just wanted to kind of get your comments on that.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think Steve, without being redundant, I think he just

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Speaker 2: did comment on that.

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Speaker 4: Is there another question.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to answer that too, but go ahead. I'll

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Speaker 3: just qut no, no, I can you know? Yeah, a

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Speaker 3: number one civilian casualties in war. Again, it's a tragedy.

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Speaker 3: It's something that I personally think is awful. A lot

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Speaker 3: of the tragedy is that Hamas uses people as human shields.

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Speaker 3: This has been documented for a long time. There have

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Speaker 3: been studies, including the West Point expert who found that

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Speaker 3: the ratio of civilian to Milton casualties was actually lower

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Speaker 3: than in other conflicts. And you know, when the West

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Speaker 3: was combating Adolf Hitler and we had the bomb Dresden

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Speaker 3: and do other things and kill a lot of civilians,

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Speaker 3: that was terrible. A lot of innocent people died. No

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Speaker 3: one said the United States was committing genocide and that

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Speaker 3: isn't genocide. So you know, there's a difference in language matters.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference between saying this is a terrible war.

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't have been necessary. We're you know, torn about it,

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Speaker 3: and we wish it was less civilian casualty. No one's

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Speaker 3: celebrating that on my household. But there's a difference between

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Speaker 3: that and saying, oh, Israel's committing genocide. So anyway, Dan,

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Speaker 3: I think he wanted to move on to the next.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No, I just want to say, I think that's great. No,

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that comment on that, you know, and that's

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Speaker 9: what's happened. But anyway, I just wanted to get some

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Speaker 9: feedback a night on the right.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve, appreciate your call. Didn't mean to interrupt you.

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Speaker 2: Let me go quickly. Ruth is in Brookline. Ruth, I

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Speaker 2: got about thirty second. You've called really late. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything you'd like to ask or comments you'd like to know?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 10: The one comment I'd like to make is was noted

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Speaker 10: in the beginning. This report contains many very important recommendations,

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Speaker 10: but they're all basically voluntary, and I think it's like

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Speaker 10: really important if maybe Dave could address you know, what

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Speaker 10: the public who's concerned about seeing the report actually being implemented,

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Speaker 10: like what people who care can do at this point, Okay,

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Speaker 10: get a difference.

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Speaker 2: We're just tight on time here, Ruth Dave. What can

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Speaker 2: folks do at this point who either want to see

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Speaker 2: the report and read it themselves or hopefully advocate for

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Speaker 2: the implementation of some of the suggestions.

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Speaker 3: Sure, a great question. The reports available on the Special

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Speaker 3: Commission website, which you can google, and there's something that

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Speaker 3: everyone can do, whether it's talking to your school district

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Speaker 3: and saying these are good recommendations that we should follow,

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Speaker 3: or talking to your elected officials. We've been hardened that

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Speaker 3: Governor Heally and Lieutenant Governor Driscoll and Attorney General Campbell

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Speaker 3: and many other leaders have supported our recommendations, and ultimately

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Speaker 3: it comes down to a lot of collective action. And

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Speaker 3: I want to add something. I mean, Dan, thank you

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Speaker 3: for focusing on the unique crisis of antisemitism. It's unique,

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Speaker 3: it requires special attention. We had a commission just about it,

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Speaker 3: and at the same time, so much of our report

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Speaker 3: involved measures that actually combat all forms of hate. And

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Speaker 3: you'll see when we're calling for ways to improve protocols

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Speaker 3: for dealing with incidents or having better dialogue, these are

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Speaker 3: things that also are important to addressing anti LGBTQ plus hate,

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Speaker 3: anti black racism, so it's not just anti semitism that

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Speaker 3: we're trying to fix.

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Speaker 4: All right, Ruth, good question.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully folks can get that report, get access to it,

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Speaker 2: and as Ruth suggested, take some action on it. Ruth,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your call. Dave Friedman, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for your call, for your time tonight,

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Speaker 2: I should say, and your analysis for us, and go

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Speaker 2: get us a right handed hitter for the Red Sox.

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Speaker 4: Will you we need a first baseman.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Dan. You know there is hope. There's hope when

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Speaker 3: it comes to baseball. As I said, there's hope on

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Speaker 3: these issues. There's a lot of support. I'm grateful with

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Speaker 3: Governor Heally putting me on this commission, and I'm grateful

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Speaker 3: to you for just paying attention to the issue.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure. Thanks Dave.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk again, okay, anytime.

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Speaker 4: We'll have you back.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get back on the other side of the

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock news. We're going to talk about fifty year mortgages,

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Speaker 2: a new mortgage vehicle,