1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 3: He had thirty seconds to do blah blah blahs and 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 3: you did what maybe eight seconds of blah blah blahs. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Good grief. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 4: I don't really want to play it, but uh, our 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 4: trucker friend, uh friend, Oh yeah, that trucker. 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the trucker. Yeah, just the trucker. 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, gave us thirty seconds of nothing. But uh Penis, 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 4: oh brother, it's a bit much to play on the air, 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 4: but I want to give him credit for no. 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: So you've given him credit. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was somebody that did fill 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: up their entire thirty seconds. 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: So and considering that we're not really celebrating Saint Patrick's 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: Day because Ireland hasn't figured out who are what they are, 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: I'll take that. I'll take the blah blah blah. Did 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: you see the joke about hang on a minute, let 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: me want the text messages. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: What's the text line three three. 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: One zero three, which is incorrecting those rules of engagement 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 3: three three one zero three? And what are the keywords 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: Mike or Michael Oshay oh Brown three four zero seven rides. Michael, 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: what do you call an irishman on your back porch 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: on Saint Patti's day, Pattio furniture. 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: I think it's clever. And do you want a rimshot 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: or something? No, I don't want to. I don't want anything. 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: You don't want I don't want nothing. 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: And then somebody's complaining about you six one sixty six 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: Mike or Michael. I love it when they do that 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: because there's just I know they're being patty, they're just 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: being ale. 33 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: It's my favorite. 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: I know special if they do it in the talkbacks too, 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: where you don't have to sit give a keyword reading. 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: I know you still do it. I know it's it's great. Michael. 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: You didn't play the entire talk back after tel Aviv 38 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: secret that is true? Was it unplayable? 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: It got a little dirty? Oh okay, not. 40 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: Bad, but probably something I shouldn't play on air. 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: You actually exercise some discretion, Yeah, you exercise judgment. 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: Would be shocked. 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: In fact, the whole company is shocked that you actually 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: exercised some legitimate judgment for once. So let's go back 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: to my little tirade about I know it wasn't a 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: Mark Twain that said, the only time that we're safe 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 3: was when the legislature's not in session. I happen to 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: agree with that. But we got some problems, Lucy. We 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: got some problems, and we're not fixing them. And I've 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: already gone through several of them. Healthcare costs, for example, 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: consume four point three trillion dollars annually, and we have 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: constructed an insurance apparatus that's so convoluted that the actual 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: price of virtually nothing is known to the person consuming 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: it at the moment they consume it. I'll give you 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: an example. So Camain's got a sinus infection. I've been 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: waiting all day to tell this story. She has a 57 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: sinus infection. Now she can Her doctor's been on vacation, 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: so she or are out or something. So she finally 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: gets bad enough yesterday. 60 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, you probably ought to go to 61 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: urgent care. 62 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: So she goes to urgent care yesterday and the physician's assistant, 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: the PA, says, yes, you have a sinus infection. She says, 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: I remember she's the daughter of a surgeon. So she says, okay, well, 65 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: then can I get some antibiotics? He rips into her. 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: Don't you know about the danger of taking antibiotics. Why 67 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: antibiotics are becoming there There every disease, every everything that 68 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: antibiotics is supposed to cure. There it's becoming immune because 69 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: people are over using antibiotics. And she the way she 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: describes it, she sits and listens, and then she rips 71 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: him a new one and says, I haven't taken an 72 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: antibiotic in probably five years. I need if I have 73 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: an infection, I need an antibiotic. But I don't know 74 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: they're dangers. Don't you know about the dangers. He's taking 75 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: too many? And she just I mean, this is all 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: I heard all evening. So once you call your doctor. 77 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: So anyway, he prescribes something that she's supposed to take, 78 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: he prescribes three bottles of it. Now she can be 79 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: aggressive when she wants to, but she wasn't being aggressive yesterday. 80 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 3: And King Soupers, which is they're not any different than 81 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: Walgreens or anybody else, you know, they just do the 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: prescriptions as they come in. They're not in any hurry. 83 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: They don't care if you're dying or not. And she goes, well, 84 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: it shows it's not ready yet. I said, well, you 85 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: need to go and stand there, because if you stand there, 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: then they know they've got to take care of you. 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: I'll go because I need to go to Walgreens. So 88 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: I'll go to Walgreens and I'll stop by Kings Soupers. 89 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: I should stopped the Crumble Cookies while I was there, 90 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: but I didn't do it. 91 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: I'll go. 92 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: So the first thing they tell me is, oh, this 93 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: will be ready tomorrow at four. And I said, oh, 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: I'm here now, I want it now. And she said 95 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 3: and the nicely. 96 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: She was nice. 97 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, she's being nice. I said, I'm 98 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: here to get it now. She goes, well, this is 99 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: pretty common. I'm sure we have of it. She comes 100 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: back and says, oh, he ordered I think three bottles 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: of it, but we only have two. I said, well 102 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: how many? And she's got the box right there, so 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: I grab it out of her hand, which was a mistake. Oh, 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: you can't do this, until you said, I'm just trying 105 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: to see how many doses are in this bottle. There 106 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: are twenty doses she's supposed to take to a day. 107 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: That's ten days worth. Okay, why don't you just give 108 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: me how much for all three bottles? Because I'm always 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: thinking in the head, go ahead and get as much 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: as you can, because then you've got it on hand, right, 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty dollars. So I'm like, no, thank 112 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: you all, just take one and then if she wants 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: to refill it, she can refill another one. It's absurd, 114 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: absolutely absurd. Then she texts me this morning she got 115 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: a hold of her doctor. She's getting a z back today. 116 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: The doctor, the farm, the p A wouldn't do it, 117 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: but the doctor, Yeah, you need to see back. 118 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that that that that. 119 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I asked that you're going to listen 120 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: to it. That that Yeah, lesson learned, lesson learned the most. 121 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Fortunately I'm not this way, but the audience is the 122 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: most passive aggressive group of people I've ever known. Juvenile, 123 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: juvenile too. You and I, on the other hand, are 124 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: never passive aggressive. We're not juvenile. So I don't I 125 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: don't know why they have backed this way. I don't 126 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: understand it. Health care costs. We're talking about the fact 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: that Congress can't. 128 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: Do fezes. 129 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: Nothing, and you're right, I think now the airline CEOs 130 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: have already sent a letter to Congress and basically said 131 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: get your act together. Somebody on the text line said 132 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: at some point the airlines, in fact that I think 133 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: it may have been the head of the TSA union, 134 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure, has basically said that, hey, you 135 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: don't start paying us, the airlines might just have to 136 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: shut down. They might just have to shut down. I 137 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 3: think I've got that. 138 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: That was real. Where was that here? You can listen 139 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: to this. 140 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 6: Hey, we're doing absolutely everything we can. We have a 141 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 6: National Deployment Office force and we've fully depleted that. So 142 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 6: at this point we're fully stretched, and so frankly, there's 143 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 6: not much else we can do as the weeks continue. 144 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 6: If this continues, it's not hyperbole. It's suggest that we 145 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 6: may have to quite literally shut down airports, particularly smaller ones, 146 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 6: if call out rates go up. 147 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: And we can't. 148 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 6: A lot of these officers can't afford to come in. 149 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 6: I talked to one officer this week as a single mother, 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 6: and she has a special needs child, and she can't 151 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 6: afford to pay for our special needs child childcare. So again, 152 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 6: we're I believe it's frankly unconscidable that we have said 153 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 6: of Democrats that are playing, you know, they're holding our 154 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 6: folks financial livelihood, hostage over political games, political partisanship. So 155 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 6: we really need to get back to normal order. 156 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 3: One of the things that I did when I was 157 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: the under secretary and we were going through all the 158 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: transition creating this stupid beam if we called DHS, was 159 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: when the idea of the what we now call the 160 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: Transportation Security Administration. When that idea came up, one of 161 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: my I mean, I had numerous objections, but one of 162 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: my objections was they cannot have the right to strike. 163 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: They are a. 164 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: National security function and they should not be allowed to 165 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: even organize as a union. Well, of course I got 166 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: defeated on that because who contributes the most. So Bush 167 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: basically said, yeah, we're gonna to let them unionize, but 168 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: we will put in there some language they can't strike. 169 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that's gone away by now too. 170 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: So even though I disparages the TSA for their lack 171 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: of efficacy and really keeping things secure, nonetheless this is 172 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: to height the stupidity on the part of Congress. And 173 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 3: so when when my daughter changes a flight from Honolulu 174 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: to Aruba to Cabo simply because flights are getting canceled 175 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: left and right now, some because of weather, but also 176 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: because at Sky Harbor, the TSA lines were just inordinately long. 177 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: Flights are being canceled because people can't get to the 178 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: airlines and those planes needed to be somewhere else. So 179 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: now you've got the acting Deputy administrators saying it's not 180 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: hyperbole to suggest we may have to quite literally shut. 181 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 2: Down some airports. 182 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: I hope so I do, because maybe at some point 183 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: all these numb nut voters out there that don't understand 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: just exactly how useless Congress is will wake up and 185 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: realize while whom even if you don't fly, your fed 186 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 3: X package work so well, I guess they'll still fly, 187 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: but some of the stuff that you get that gets 188 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: carried in the cargo plane of commercial airliner is not 189 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 3: going to show up. Your mail is not going to 190 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: get delivered. Congress is absolutely worthless. And I know we're 191 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: safer when they're not there, but there are some things 192 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: they could be doing right now and they're not. And 193 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: I just want to go through this litany of things 194 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: that I think that need to be addressed. Domestic terrorism, 195 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: for example, we've had Old Dominum, We've had Austin, We've 196 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: had New Orleans, we've got the save Act. Higher education 197 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: costs K twelve education sucks healthcare four point three trillion 198 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: dollars annually, and we in doing so, we I should say, 199 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: Democrats constructed an insurance apparatus that is so convoluted that 200 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: the actual price of virtually nothing is known to the 201 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: person consuming it at the moment that they consume it. 202 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: I was shocked last night. Forty dollars for something that's 203 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: not even antibiotic to help with a assignus infection. You 204 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: got to be kidding me. And then for that little 205 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: Pa to lecture Tamera about well, you know the danger 206 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: of antibiotics. A copay becomes the visible number, the real 207 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: cost that gets distributed out into premiums, taxes, and the 208 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: actuarial fog of the system that is truly designed to 209 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: obscure what things actually cost. And nobody who in Congress 210 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: will fix it because the industries that profit from the 211 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: current architecture fund the campaigns and the people who would 212 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: have to dismantle it, and the fund and the campaigns 213 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: that they fund. 214 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: What are they doing. They're sitting on their asses all 215 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: day long and taking a break. 216 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job, hey, Brownie, 217 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: you suck. 218 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: Brownie. 219 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: You're doing a heck of a job. Hey, Brownie, you suck. Brownie. 220 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: You're doing a heck of a job. Hey, Brownie, you suck. Brownie. 221 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: You do a heck of a job. Brownie, you suck Brownie. 222 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: You're doing a heck of a job. Brownie, you suck, Brownie. 223 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: You're doing a heck of a job. 224 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: You know who sucks? 225 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, you still suck. 226 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, dragon who could edit, but he doesn't know how 227 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: to add. I didn't leave it just. 228 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: One day sometime last well actually several weeks ago. I 229 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: don't know how long it's been, because you know, I 230 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: canflate time. I ripped apart the Colorado State Republican Party. 231 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: I probably spent an hour, maybe more, pointing out how 232 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: it has become worthless and effective a money suck, everything 233 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: that's wrong with it, and suggested that it was time 234 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: to burn it down and start all over. In response 235 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: to that, I received an email let me pull the 236 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: email up. I received an email from the chairman of 237 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: the Colorado Republican Party, Brita Horn, in which she asked me, 238 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: let's see the date on this was is March four, 239 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: So it's now been about about two weeks ago, and 240 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: she wrote on March fourth, at two forty five pm, 241 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: mister Brown, I truly appreciate and like what you said 242 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: last week about the Colorado GOP. Would you be willing 243 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: to have a conversation at your service? 244 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: Brill Horn. 245 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: Applied and said of course. And then we went through 246 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: a couple of email exchanges about when and where to meet, 247 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: and I gave her some options, and on the day 248 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: of our meeting, which was last week is well, that 249 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: day she had to change the location because of things 250 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: going on within the party and she didn't have that 251 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: much time. So we met at of all places, of McDonald's, 252 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: and she came storming in, as I said in the 253 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: follow up, like a hurricane, with the news that they 254 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: were out to remove her once again. There's another movement 255 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: within the Central Committee to remove her. So the meeting 256 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: went not exactly as I planned. I planned just to 257 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: hear her side of the story. In the course of 258 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: that conversation, she gave me the number, and she told me, 259 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: in fact, I had asked why are you doing this? 260 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: I don't know her, but I would have asked anybody, 261 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: why are you doing this? Because that would help me 262 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: understand from their perspective why they continue to put themselves 263 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: in this position. And she said, and her response was, 264 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: and I'm just paraphrasing here that I'm not going to 265 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: do it any longer. I'm resigning. Oh well, that changes 266 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: our entire conversation, and it did. During the course of 267 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: that meeting, she received her resignation letter from some friends 268 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: and coworkers who had drafted it for her, and she 269 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: asked me if I would look at it, And of course, 270 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: as I would for anybody. People come to me here 271 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: all the time, Hey, I'm thinking about sending an email 272 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: so and so, would you look at it and tell 273 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: me what you think. 274 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: I do that all the time. 275 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: I'm a pretty good editor, and I can read it 276 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: with objective eyes and tell people when they're whining or 277 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: being passive aggressive, or maybe I would word it differently, 278 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: or I catch grammatical errors. So I offered to Britta 279 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: to do the same thing anything I would do for 280 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: almost anybody else, and I made some changes to it 281 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: and she accepted all those changes. Then yesterday, at eleven 282 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: forty one in the morning, I get this email from 283 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: Elizabeth to Vado, Michael, I heard your show on Bretta Horn, 284 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: Colorado GOP chairwoman. I was saddened that you did not 285 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: have an educated State Committee member on your show to 286 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: discuss as well. I am forwarding an email from Tim 287 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: Leonard regarding the recent SCC meeting. Thank you for reading 288 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: the email from Tim Leonard Liz Evado, previous Denver GOP 289 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: chair Why would have I had anybody on the program 290 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: to discuss something a topic which I didn't have anybody 291 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: else on the program to discuss. And then I found 292 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: it interesting her choice of words. I heard your show 293 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: on Bretta Horn, Colorado GOP chairwoman. Now she was not 294 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: on the program. I didn't play any audio from her. 295 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: I don't even think I quoted her. I just talked 296 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: about the meeting and what I thought about the GOP 297 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 3: and her resignation. But then miss Tavado writes, I was 298 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: saddened that you did not have an educated member on 299 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: your show to discuss as well. Huh wow, that's pretty 300 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: presumptuous of you, miss Tavado, and then she forwards this 301 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: email to me from Tim Lennard, Dear fellow State Central 302 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: Committee Members to the three hundred and forty one SCC 303 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 3: members who participated in money chaos thank you. It was 304 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: not easy spending three hours getting credential for a meeting 305 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: that the chair nilatterally deleted two out of three agenda 306 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: items brought to the members for debate and voting. But 307 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: for the purpose of writing you today is to correct 308 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: a misstatement by Chair Horn, where she tried to justify 309 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 3: the enormous legal expenses. She has parentheses miss directed. She 310 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: made the comment that she and the party were always 311 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: only defending lawsuits, that she was not the instigator underlined. 312 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 3: Since we should not imply that she was lying, he writes, 313 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: we can conclude that she was incompetent and completely uninformed 314 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: of all the motions her attorney, Steve Clinda, was making. 315 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: As proof. 316 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: Attached our two emotions filed by her attorney on eight 317 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 3: August twenty five seeking attorney fees from the SEC members 318 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: who sought to get the party's attorney's fees back from 319 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: Horn and her coal conspirators from her illegal party proceedings 320 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. Even though the judge had ruled 321 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: in April twenty five that these members had no standing 322 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: to help the party get spent fees back, Horn and 323 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: Clinder resurrected a four month old settled case with new 324 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: litigation caair. Horn steadily racked up Clinton's fees for six 325 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 3: more months until in seventeenth February twenty six. The Court 326 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 3: denied Horn's lawsuit because the Investigative Committee was declared a 327 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: non party way back in April twenty five, when the 328 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: litigation was over the court ordered last month quote. Additionally, 329 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: the Investigative Committee is not a party this action. The 330 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: Central Committee's motion requests that the Court award attorney fees 331 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: against the Investigating Committee's members. The Court finds that Colorado 332 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: Revised Statute Section thirteen seventeen one oh two does not apply, 333 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: as the statute explicitly states that the court sew award 334 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: attorney fees against a party went appropriate. The statute does 335 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: not allow for an award of attorney fees against a 336 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: non party for the. 337 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: Reason stated above. 338 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: The joint motion for Rule eleven sanctions and attorney fees 339 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: under this statue is denied. Then mister Leonard continues his email, 340 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: Bret Horn has been a victim of horrible and costly 341 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: legal advice and has pitdled away party money for months 342 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: on end. And then he concludes email with anyone who 343 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: thinks she should break a horn. Anyone who thinks she 344 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 3: should remain in her position is as dull as a 345 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: person who won't shut off their lawnmower when they have 346 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: entered the flower garden. Thanks ten, Tim, Timothy J. Leonard, Wow, 347 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: thank you for sending me these emails. You prove my point. 348 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: This party is dysfunctional and should be burned to the ground. 349 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: The February twenty twenty five county reorganization that brought Tovado 350 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: to Denver County chairs kind of significant in context. That 351 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 3: same reorganization wave also brought in Rich Wyatt as the 352 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: new Jefferson County Chair, a figure associated with the harder 353 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: right the Williams the Wayne the Wayne Williams, the Dave 354 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: Williams aligned grassroots faction. Now county chair elections in that 355 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: cycle tracked closely with the existing factional divide. Dave william 356 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: loyalists organized aggressively at the county level in the period 357 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: after the court removed his removal invalid and before the 358 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: statewide reorganization in March of twenty twenty five. Now, Tavado 359 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: presents herself as a neutral member who just once balanced coverage, 360 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: but her actual actions forwarding Lynard's Leonard's Anti Horn screed, 361 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 3: characterizing it as evidence of how the party functions as 362 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: mature adults, and doing so on the day of the 363 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 3: resignation that identifies Tavado as part of the Anti Horn 364 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: and the Dave Williams a adjacent faction. She's not a 365 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 3: neutral source, She's a participant forwarding opposition research. And she 366 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 3: expects me then to take an email that says that 367 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: oh sad, and that I did not have an educated 368 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: member on this program. Now let's go to mister Leonard. 369 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: He's a former Colorado state representative from Evergreen. He represented 370 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: House District twenty five in Western Jefco. Now, his tenure 371 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: was not without his own controversy. In December of twenty sixteen, 372 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: he was sentenced to fourteen days in jail for contempt 373 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: of court stemming from a dispute with his ex wife 374 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: over educational decisions regarding their children. He dropped out of 375 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: his twenty eighteen REELAE bid because a judge refused to 376 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: lower his court ordered family support payments, citing that his 377 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: decision to become a legislator represented a voluntary reduction in income. Now, 378 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: he is currently an SEC member based in Evergreen, and 379 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: he participated in the March two meeting. Now, Leonard's March's 380 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: third email that I just read to you to the 381 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: members claims Horn was either lying or incompetent, and completely 382 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: uninformed about whether the party was initiating litigation or defending it. 383 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: He uses two attached motions as proof. Here is what 384 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 3: he does not tell his fellow chairman, fellow committee members, 385 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: and what Devado did not tell me. Both of these 386 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: motions were filed August eighth in El Passel County District Court. 387 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: Document one is a joint motion for Rule eleven sanctions 388 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: and attorney fees. This was jointly filed by Steven Clinda Horne, 389 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: attorney representing Horn and the Colorado Republican State Central Committee, 390 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: and by Scott Goessler, representing the anti Dave Williams defendants Bremer, Palassi, Watkins, 391 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: and McCarney. Both sides of the underlying litigation were united 392 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: in seeking sanctions against a third actor, the Williams created 393 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: Investigative Committee, which had attempted to intervene in the lawsuit 394 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: after BRETA. Horn took over and moved to dismiss that lawsuit. 395 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: The motion's core argument is legally sound. The investigated Committee 396 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: was a special committee under Roberts rules, which means it 397 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: automatically ceased to exist when its appointing body, the Williams 398 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: Central Committee, dissolved upon Horn's election. But it still attempted 399 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: to intervene four days after it had legally expired, without standing, 400 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: without authority, and with claims that violated the First Amendment 401 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: and Colorado's anti slap statue. So the court denied the 402 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: motion in February twenty twenty six, not because the motion 403 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: was meritless on the sanctions, but on a purely technical 404 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: statutory ground, because the Statute to Judge Sites authorizes attorney 405 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: THEE awards only against parties to an action. Well, this 406 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: stupid investigating Committee was not a party. Indeed, it had 407 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: even been denied intervention in the lawsuit. So the court 408 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: did not rule that the Investigative Committee's conduct was appropriate. 409 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: It ruled that the specific feat statute does not reach 410 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: to non parties. 411 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: That is a. 412 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 3: Narrow procedural ruling. It is not a vindication of the 413 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: investigating Committee. And then Leonard, in his email characterizes this 414 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: as Horne's attorney resurrecting a four month old subtled case. 415 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: Here's what he omits. The other half of the joint 416 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: motion was filed by Scott Gessler on behalf of the 417 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: defendants that Horne was being sued by. 418 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: The motion was a joint defense action, so calling it. 419 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: Bretta Horne's unilateral litigation aggression is just factually incomplete. 420 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: That's the first document that she sent me. 421 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: The second document motion for attorney fees against interveners Grossman 422 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 3: and Leblank. Gessler only filed this. This is the Gessler 423 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: motion seeking fees against Eric Grossman and Cody LeBlanc, two 424 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 3: SCC members who attempted to bring a drivety lawsuit on 425 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: behalf of the party against the same defendants after Horn 426 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 3: moved to dismiss the original case. 427 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: LeBlanc is the same SCC. 428 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: Member who filed a separate lawsuit over the open primary question. 429 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: Grossman's just a minor figure in this drama. 430 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: Now. 431 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: Gessler's motion argues persuasively that their derivative of action failed 432 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: to comply with Reual twenty three point one's demand requirement, 433 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: that it was driven by political vindictiveness rather than by 434 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 3: any cognizable fiduciary duty. It sought damages that are legally 435 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: unrecoverable under Colorado's American rule, and it rested on claims 436 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: that failed on the merits. The statute also independently bars 437 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: courts from interfering in internal party decisions of this kind. 438 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: That motion was filed entirely by the defendant side and 439 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: not by Bretta Horn, So neither document is evidence that 440 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: Bretta Horne was initiating frivolous litigation against these so called 441 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: innocent SEC members. They are instead evidence that one the 442 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: Williams created the Dave Williams created Investigating Committee, a body 443 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: that had legally expired, was trying to use the courts 444 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: to continue a lawsuit that Horn had moved to dismiss 445 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: and then got hit with the joint sanctions motion from 446 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: both Horn's side and the defendant side for doing so. 447 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: Two two terriventy planetif interveners tried a legally baseless inrun 448 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: around the new party leadership, and the defendants sought fees 449 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: against them for it. Now Leonard is using documents to 450 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: tell a story about the Williams factions continued post departure 451 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: litigation activity to make those very same actions look like 452 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: Brinda Horn's fault. It's a very sophisticated inversion, and it 453 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: worked well enough that Tavadu forward it to me without 454 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: any apparent scrutiny. What we are looking at is a 455 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: coordinated information operation which tracks with everything in the forensic 456 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 3: briefings that I've read. Leonard sends an anti Horn email 457 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 3: in March three to the committee members, framing Horne is 458 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: either a liar or incombinant baseline selective reading of court filings. Tavado, 459 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: former Denver County GOP chair elected during Dave Williams of 460 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 3: Line February twenty twenty five reorganization, forwards that email to 461 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 3: me on March sixteen, framing it has the. 462 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: Educated perspective that I apparently failed. 463 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: To include the attached documents on close legal reading actually 464 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: undermine Leonard's narrative rather than support it. So I sent 465 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: a response that basically said, I've read all these lawsuits, 466 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 3: I've read all of these motions, and I'll tell you 467 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: what it is. I'll tell you why the court actually 468 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: ruled and why, and I gave the correct framing. So 469 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: the party is not sending me evidence of its maturity. 470 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 3: The party is sending me evidence of its continued dysfunction 471 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: and asking me to treat the anti Horn faction spin 472 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: as somehow newsworthy. Why would I give airtime to any 473 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: faction of this organization on either side of the Brittal 474 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: Horn question. Until the bickering stops and the work of 475 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: fielding candidates and raising money actually begins. I'm sorry, miss Tovado, 476 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 3: but you're absolutely makes the case about and mister Lennard 477 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: makes the case about how disfunctional this party is. The 478 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: Colorado Republican GOP needs to be burned to the ground. 479 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: Now. 480 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to replace it, but there 481 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: are methods, there are entities, there are different organizations that. 482 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: Can be put together. 483 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: But until this stupidity stops, Colorado remain a blue state. 484 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 3: And to whatever extent Dave Williams is involved in this party, 485 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: they need to get him as far away as they 486 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: possibly can. And I know they tried to do so 487 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: by sending him to DC, but that's not apparently not 488 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: working out too well. And then to say to me, 489 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: or at least in the email that's forward to me, 490 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: because I don't take a position on Bretta Horn, I 491 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: actually think Bretta Horn made the right decision resigning regard 492 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: of the merits as just human to human. I think 493 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 3: she made the right decision, but to say any quote 494 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: anyone who thinks she should remain in her position is 495 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: as dolls. A person who won't shut off their lawnmower 496 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: when they have entered the flower garden is a twelve 497 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 3: year old acting like a twelve year old. Mister Leonard, 498 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: you're not showing maturity. You're not rising above the controversy. 499 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: You are perpetuating the controversy. And you missed Tvado by 500 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: telling me that I should have had someone that was 501 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: educated about this issue. You mistake me. You sorely mistake 502 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: me for someone who doesn't do their homework. You mistake 503 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: me for someone who just takes things at face value. 504 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: You don't think as a lawyer, I haven't read all 505 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: these lawsuits, read all these motions and understand precisely what's 506 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: going on. A pox on the Colorado Republican Party organization. 507 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: It needs to be disbanded, then burned and started over.