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Speaker 1: Welcome back cinty three to sixty rolled along Friday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's get right to it,

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Speaker 1: our guy, Bob Manjean, University of Cincinnati and Nova Care.

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Speaker 1: Bob Austin might be one of the only folks that

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Speaker 1: we've talked to this week that's not really concerned with

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Speaker 1: what's happening with the weather here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, kidding, the real Margaritaville. Damn mindset from Bob.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that as we go to Bob right now,

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Speaker 1: he's sitting poolside. He might have a drink with him.

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Speaker 1: As the Bearcats staying out there in Arizona after playing

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Speaker 1: Arizona Wednesday. They got Arizona State tomorrow night, which allows

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Speaker 1: Bob the freedom to have a conversation with us.

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Speaker 2: Bob, what's going on, Tony. I'm just sitting by the

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Speaker 2: polls yapping on Margarite up down here in temping to

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Speaker 2: be seventy five today. I just got to make sure

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Speaker 2: I put my son Kanloshan on.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you hydrate, make sure you're wearing lotion. What

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Speaker 1: is uh, what's the play in, Bob, Because I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've heard or not, but we've got a

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Speaker 1: winter weather storm coming in this weekend, majority of it

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Speaker 1: Saturday and to Sunday. What's that look like for the

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Speaker 1: travel plans back to a beautiful Cincinnati for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, our deputy ad or I actually chief the staff,

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Speaker 2: Brat Pike, who oversees men's basketball, is with us and

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Speaker 2: he's going to manage all of our travel concerns. But

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Speaker 2: you know, my hope is that it snows enough in

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Speaker 2: so I can sit by the poll on Sunday and

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Speaker 2: you know till we leave.

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Speaker 1: Must be nice.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's only seventy five and Sonny here today,

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Speaker 2: so you know, I just I missed that weather in

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati so bad. I'm anxious to get back. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Bearcats don't play again till Wednesday of next week, so

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Speaker 1: you got a couple of days. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: about the day's kind of lead like that that happened

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Speaker 1: after the final game of the college football season, and

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Speaker 1: for some that may have been earlier this week. For others, obviously,

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Speaker 1: there season ended quite some time ago, but it brings

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Speaker 1: for these athletes now a very interesting time, Bob, of

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Speaker 1: the time between now and you think about pro days

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Speaker 1: and the combine. For those that are trying to continue

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Speaker 1: their their football career, a lot of decisions have to

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Speaker 1: be made. And this could be the case as well

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Speaker 1: when a high school athlete is going from one season

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Speaker 1: to another. But it's time now that that folks identify, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they've been playing through an injury, they've been playing through pain.

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Speaker 1: Now is that assessment period of Okay, is this something

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Speaker 1: we need to surgically take care of. Is this something

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Speaker 1: that is going to get better with just rest? Or

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Speaker 1: can you continue your normal training regimen building up to

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Speaker 1: something else. What do those conversations look like between athlete

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Speaker 1: and obviously the trainer.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you've got that that conversation is really expanding, Tony.

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Speaker 2: It now includes agents, parents, you know, a variety of

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Speaker 2: other people. You know obviously our team positions. It's not

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Speaker 2: just getting ready for the NFL Combine anymore. It's the

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Speaker 2: fact that these guys are going to transfer. Now. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know how many of our football players we've

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Speaker 2: already had enter the portal. But you're also looking at

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Speaker 2: entering the portal. So do I have surgery before I

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Speaker 2: enter the portal, just like do I have surgery before

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Speaker 2: to treat it conservatively. And then on the schools that

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Speaker 2: to either draft the kids or accept them into the portal,

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Speaker 2: you've got to do a thorough vetting just to make

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Speaker 2: sure that you know, what you're going to have work

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Speaker 2: you know, these transfer portal kids that are going through

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Speaker 2: the same rigorous evaluation you know, I mean where everybody's

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Speaker 2: doing it like it to combine all of them, get

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Speaker 2: MRIs on various body parts just to see, you know

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Speaker 2: what that will reveal, Just like now in college you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, kids who have a history of injury, We're

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Speaker 1: I also want to I always go back to the

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Speaker 1: matter how healthy you are, how good you feel after

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Speaker 1: a couple different physicals of getting poked and product and

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Speaker 1: at the combine for these athletes that go through multiple

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Speaker 2: I think from the time you went through the combine

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Speaker 2: is more shared information so you know, I mean, if

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Speaker 2: sign him as a free agent. You know, and I

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Speaker 2: agree with you. I think the more physical and more

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Speaker 2: teams that give you physicals, and I think it's applicable

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Speaker 2: to college as well. And you know you're going to

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Speaker 2: that another team misses, or you're going to get more

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Speaker 2: in depth objective testing like MRIs cat stands X ray.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for that hidden problem before you sign them.

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Speaker 2: And like I said at the combine, now you know,

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Speaker 2: and defensive linemen all get MRIs on their knees. So

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Speaker 2: that you know, teams want to have objective information to

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Speaker 1: I often want or two you mentioned Nowadays it's not

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Speaker 1: now family and more importantly agents. All these kids now

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Speaker 1: is rest once a season wraps up. You've got to

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Speaker 1: allow your body time. How hard do some of those

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Speaker 2: Agents kind of want to push it, and they want

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people just don't want to wait

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Speaker 2: these agents put them right into training centers that specify

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Speaker 2: evolved into full service facilities where they have massage therapists, chefs,

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Speaker 2: we have his MRIs things like that, and obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: we share that information and we try to do our

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Speaker 2: So I think that the information sharing has gotten has increased. However,

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Speaker 2: as you well know, you know, college agents are not

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Speaker 2: you know, some of them aren't certified agents at this point.

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Speaker 1: It's much bigger than a role of just athletic trainer

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Speaker 1: now with the evolving world of collegiate sports. That is

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Speaker 1: Bob man Jean from University of Cincinnati and Novacare. Bob

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Speaker 1: is hanging out in Arizona for a couple more days. Bob,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your time and I look forward to talking again

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony. I'll have a margarita on you and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll try to bring you one back because

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Speaker 2: Naddy will probably stay frozen.

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Speaker 1: Like you like salt on the rim there, Bob.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, wow, you can.

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Speaker 1: Have a frozen, frozen margarita.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, just on I okay, I mean there's enough

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Speaker 2: ice in Cincinnati right now that it'll stay cold for

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Speaker 2: a long time.

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Speaker 1: You are correct, Bob, have a great one, get a

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Speaker 1: win tomorrow. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tony, have a good weekend. You guys, good luck

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Speaker 2: in the with the bad weather, and hopefully I don't

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Speaker 2: get back some Monday.

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Speaker 1: It's Bob man Gene from the University of Cincinnati and Novacare.

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Speaker 1: If you're experiencing on wanted makes and pains, you don't

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Speaker 1: need that this time of the year. You got a

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Speaker 1: busy schedule to keep memories to make Novacare rehabilitations. Physical

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