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Speaker 1: It's a very cool game, the game of professional football.

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Speaker 1: A week ago you were chatting with the next guest

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Speaker 1: about a big victory on the road against the Lions. Today,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately we got to do the post mortem on a

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Speaker 1: disappointing loss at home twenty seven to nineteen to the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Adam Thielen joins us via the Connectico Water

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Speaker 1: Systems hotline, as he does every week. Thanks again for

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Speaker 1: the time, sir. Where do we begin?

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Eight fall starts has got to be that must have

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Speaker 1: been a big topic of or will be, I assume

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Speaker 1: a big topic of conversation internally, because I know you

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Speaker 1: guys break everything down. Do you have any working theories

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Speaker 1: on what might have precipitated that extraordinary number for the

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Speaker 1: home team? You know, obviously in this case your club

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Speaker 1: being the home team.

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Speaker 3: No, we we definitely obviously it was a big topic

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Speaker 3: today in the offensive meeting, just kind of going over

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Speaker 3: the game, and really you really look at that game

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Speaker 3: and a lot of those penalties came in short yardage,

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Speaker 3: you know, after an explosive run, or maybe a first

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Speaker 3: and ten after a earned first down, like such momentum

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Speaker 3: kind of areas that those happened and really put us

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Speaker 3: behind the sticks to start that next play where where

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Speaker 3: it's it's you kind of look at those players like, man,

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Speaker 3: what if, right, what if? What if we wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: had those false starts? What would have those drives look like?

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Speaker 3: And what would this game look like? But at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, it's something you got to fix,

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Speaker 3: you got to clean up, and you got to figure

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Speaker 3: out what was going on. I felt like I leadership

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Speaker 3: did a great job of kind of addressing it, talking

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Speaker 3: about it, and then kind of putting in action steps

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Speaker 3: of Okay, there's a lot of different reasons on each

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Speaker 3: one of those. They kind of had their own story

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Speaker 3: of why this or that happened, But let's talk about

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Speaker 3: what it looks like to be a clean football team,

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Speaker 3: and let's kind of go back to the basis of

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Speaker 3: what that looks like, communication, understanding the plan, really just

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Speaker 3: being prepared and ready. There's so many factors that lead

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Speaker 3: into those pre snap penalties that it's not just oh shoot,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know the snap count. You know, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot going on. So yeah, I think it was good

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Speaker 3: to just be able to address that, talk about it,

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Speaker 3: and move forward.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the obviously wiley quarterbacks can use inflection, cadence,

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Speaker 1: the attempt. The hope is you end up catching the

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Speaker 1: other team, right, the road team certainly jumping, and then

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Speaker 1: you get at very least five yards and you might

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Speaker 1: even get a free play as well.

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Speaker 2: Is there such a thing as.

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Speaker 1: The case because this is this is a quarterback who

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Speaker 1: hasn't played as much that the in the in the

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Speaker 1: way that QB emphasizes the hut hut whatever, the cadence

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Speaker 1: that that can be confusing because we saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of people on your offense the ordinarily don't jump that

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Speaker 1: we're all kind of jumping.

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Speaker 2: Can that be part of it?

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Speaker 1: Is understanding exactly the cadence that's coming or misunderstanding the cadence,

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Speaker 1: the emphasis that's coming from the QB from your own QB.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's just so many factors, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think I think, yeah, definitely that that I absolutely

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Speaker 3: can be the case. I think there's also you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes they give us a look that may be an

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Speaker 3: unscouted look, and and the and the quarterbacks got to

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Speaker 3: next play a little bit longer. When when those those guys,

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Speaker 3: the big guys are in their stances for a long

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Speaker 3: I think, uh, there's there's really no one particular area

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Speaker 3: So there's momentum, there's there's a little bit of crowd noise,

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Speaker 3: there's there's so many factors that lead into it, and

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you got to work

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Speaker 3: on all of them. Right, I think I think coach

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Speaker 3: the exact details, but you kind of went over like

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Speaker 3: Can we do a better job of focusing and understanding

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it's just it's just somebody, you know, again,

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately we happened in a lot of different cases

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Speaker 1: I viewed, I'm curious to get your opinion on this.

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Speaker 1: I thought the game, from your guys perspective, was lost

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Speaker 2: I thought, obviously the first drive was terrific.

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Speaker 1: After three and out for them, they to me, didn't

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Speaker 1: look really I didn't think Lamar looked particularly dynamic through

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Speaker 1: And yet I look up at the scoreboard after that

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Speaker 1: late gift and a halftime, it's ten to nine.

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Speaker 2: You're still ahead, but it's one.

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Speaker 1: It felt to me like, you know, how this game goes,

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Speaker 1: and who knows what happens at that point because there's

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Speaker 1: still another half to play. But it felt like you

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Speaker 2: What did you see? What did you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's what makes games like that

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Speaker 3: even more frustrating on money Day, because you feel like

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Speaker 3: there's so many opportunities. Our defense played absolutely fantastic and

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Speaker 3: when they're playing that good and against a really good

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Speaker 3: you you got to take advantage of it. And I

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Speaker 3: of feel like, man, that was a rough first half.

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Speaker 3: But but again, you go to a locker room, you're

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Speaker 3: you're you're probably looking at it as a group and

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Speaker 3: being like, we didn't play our best football. We kind

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Speaker 3: which is the been on biggest problem as a team

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Speaker 1: Justin had a number of interesting things to say after

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Speaker 1: He needed to help out the young quarterback more, he

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Speaker 1: needed to fight through some of the physicality of the

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Speaker 1: some times where he was he was frustrated. Now you

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Speaker 1: you see from from jj I think he thought. I

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Speaker 1: certainly thought the pass right around the end zone was

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty damn good throw actually

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Speaker 2: What did you see from him?

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Speaker 1: And are there times where he, like even with his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this is certain it is. Frustration is

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Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to have success, to sustain success success,

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Speaker 3: It's it's hard to do. And as a competitor, as

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Speaker 3: you have to find a way to handle that frustration

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Speaker 3: one of the most accountable people that I've ever been around.

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Speaker 3: He takes accountability and the next week he figures it

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Speaker 3: I know that the quarterback room and the play card

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Speaker 2: You know it has to be.

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Speaker 1: It's the interesting One of the interesting I think elements

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Speaker 1: of this season is that this team, you could argue

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Speaker 1: on the basis of a lot of the moves that

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Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks, they need time, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: be downs, and that's part of what I guess all

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Speaker 1: of you guys have to deal with, is that if

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Speaker 1: games stay vital this season, and yet still give JJ

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be patient with him regarding like we say,

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Speaker 1: we saw in this game, there were some great throws

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Speaker 1: he made, especially early, and then there were some where

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Speaker 1: he was not very accurate. That's the challenge this year, right,

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Speaker 1: because often, as you know, when young quarterbacks are thrown

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Speaker 1: in there, they're thrown into teams that aren't very good, right,

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Speaker 1: and there's no expectation. So to me, he's facing significant

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Speaker 1: expectations immediately, just because everybody's spoiled in the organization by

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Speaker 1: what the team did as recently as last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And I think that's the way that

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Speaker 3: they built this team. They built it to be able

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Adam, we'll chat next week. Appreciate it all right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Adam Feelin is the Vikings wide receiver who

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Speaker 2: Of good Vikings talking points to get to. Do you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and they maybe even you gain you

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Speaker 1: is scheduled for four to forty seven, and thrifty Traveler

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Speaker 1: Guy Kyle Potter on the current state of domestic and

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Speaker 1: international air travel out of the United States of America

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Speaker 1: is five point thirty this evening. Even with signs that

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Speaker 1: and he'll get into the percentages of a number of

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Speaker 1: flights that have been postponed or canceled and how long

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Speaker 1: that's going to go on, and the longer term ramifications

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Speaker 1: of it as well.

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Speaker 2: And as I mentioned, we'll take a look. There's some interesting.

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Speaker 1: Texts that have come in again from the Macobobos who

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Speaker 1: don't want to live in two thousand twenty five reality.

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Speaker 2: They just don't.

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Speaker 1: They and I get it because they want to root

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Speaker 1: for their guys so much and they believe this is

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Speaker 1: listen to any sort of pushback or criticism on this guy,

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Speaker 1: especially when he's played as little as he has. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna warn them of something I told them back

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Speaker 1: in late August and September that they obviously didn't want

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Speaker 1: to believe, but that it remains, I think as true

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Speaker 1: today as it was when we talked about it back then.

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Speaker 2: No famous moments in a Ka gas offense.

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Speaker 4: First in ten Minnesota, he is under center, his cadence may.

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Speaker 3: Fall start offense and Brady five five yard penalty.

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Speaker 2: It is first down.

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Speaker 4: That's the third procedure, the third fall star penalty against

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Speaker 4: the moving company today first in fifteen, This game's about mistakes.

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Speaker 4: Paul join us again for another famous moments, kid gas offense,