1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Fifty five kerc DE talk station Have eight Friday. A 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: man I thoroughly enjoy his post on Facebook. Outspoken he is. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't speak for anybody but himself, but excellent observations 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: he makes and speaking truth to power quite often. Retired 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: since a police officer after a storied, I believe, thirty 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: year career, he is involved with a group called Curse 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: Breakers three hundred strong. It's a prison ministry advocate. He 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: is a man of faith and a man who's outspoken. 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Brother Dre aka Andre Ewan. Good to have 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: you on the morning show. 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: Sir, Good morning, my man, Brian Man. I wanted to 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: see in person this morning, but ran into a couple 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: of win troubles from last night. But it's all good. 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: How you doing. 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: It's all good when we're talking to you, brother, and 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: I really would like to be seen across of the 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: board here, but that's okay. We'll do that again next year. 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: I know I'm hoping to have you on during Counteryere 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I'm doing great. You're getting geared up 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: for the holidays, going to celebrate Christmas. 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: Andre, Yes, sir, just all about peace and happiness. That's it. 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: That's what we're practicing, just making sure we have peace 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: that are surpassed all understand. 24 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: These amen to that. That's one of my favorite phrases, 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Peace of God. It passes all human understanding. It's like 26 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things in politics. Maybe it's like the 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: one point eight million dollar settlement to the protesters during 28 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty floored protest. Let's start with that one, 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: Andre I understand from a lawyer's perspective, I understand the 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: argument that was made by the protesters. Listen, we have 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: a First Amendment right to well, to protest, to speak politically, 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: to gather together in groups. And the riot situation was 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: there was a mixed bag of people who were just protesting, 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: but also people who were breaking the law, and things 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: got apparently out of control. I know, the mayor put 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: a curfew in place, and so all these people who 37 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: were gathered together and put over in the Hamilton County 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: lockup in that area. I can't remember what they called that, 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: but it was sort of an outdoor area and held 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: there for a while, file this lawsuit claiming that their 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: civil rights got violated. So, yeah, we do have the 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: First Amendment, but there were a lot of crime in there. 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Apparently the police arrested them for the curfew violation, not 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: for specific crimes like blocking the street or throwing off 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: frozen water bottle or something like that that would result 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: in a separate criminal or could result in a separate 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: criminal charge, but because they were curfew violations, they claimed 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: it was a civil rights violation. So ultimately the city 49 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: wrote them a check for one point or eight point 50 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: one million dollars, which translates about twelve to thirteen thousand 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: dollars per protester. As a former police officer and someone 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: who understands the situation, Andre Ewing, what's your take on 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: all this and what's your reaction to the settlement. 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: Well, of course you had over four hundred and seventy 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: nine plaintiffs and here you have a payout, and people 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: do understand this. What I call this game is to 57 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 2: get into certain groups, get into a protesting type situation, 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: and to bait the police so they can actually sue. 59 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: And this is interesting because this happens in a lot 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: of different places around the country. I mean, but to 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: really look deeper into an eight point one million dollar settlement, 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the way the arrests were, they were a 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: lot of individuals that was told was being reckless. So 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: it's interesting that it was strictly just being a curfew violation. 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: And that's where city leaders should have came together and 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: been more specific that am I just going to arrest 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: you and place you in the Hamilton count of Justice 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: Center on a specific pod because you violated a curfew? 69 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: And so is it you violated a curfew or you 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: were being reckless during this twenty twenty George Floyd racial 71 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: justice protest. So the clarity is extremely week and it 72 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: would be interesting to see what was the actual plan, 73 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, buy the police during this 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: encounter to just arrest individuals that were violating the curfew. 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. I talk with former FOP president Dan Hills about this, 76 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: and he was very upset about this the settlement. But 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: I pointed to him and I's like, listen, from a 78 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, lawyer perspective, From a constitutionalist perspective, you do 79 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: have the right to free assembly and that trumps the 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: curfew argument I would make because you know, adults are 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: allowed to go out at any given time and assemble, 82 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: but peaceable assembly is different than breaking an individual law, 83 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: like for example, in the middle of the street. You're 84 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: blocking traffic. You can be cited for just that. It 85 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the time of day is, doesn't matter 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: if you're involved in protest or free speech. You're out 87 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: in the middle of the damn road. You can't be there. 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Here's a ticket for that. If everyone who was arrested 89 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: got an individual ticket under that type of scenario, then 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd see this lawsuit. They wouldn't have 91 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: the civil rights argument that they made. But the problem was, 92 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: as it was explained to me, is that there were 93 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: so many people there it's virtually impossible for law enforcement 94 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: to figure out who's standing on the sidewalk versus who's 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: in the middle of the street, who's peaceably assembling, and 96 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: who's not. And so you just gather them all up 97 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: and tell them they all violated the curfew. It was 98 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the impetus behind the lawsuit. So what's your having been 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: a police officer for so many years, I mean, that's it. 100 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: I suppose that's a genuine problem parsing through the lawbreakers 101 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: and the ones that aren't. 102 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: And you know what, Brian, this is why I say 103 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: that I would love to see the body cam footage 104 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: from from point A to point B where they were arrested. 105 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: Let me see the details of what was actually presented 106 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: that was there, or did you have officers just being 107 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: reckless and going in and arresting just anybody. And that's 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: where I'm sure that there were specific individuals that they 109 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: probably just gathered up that let's just say, were in 110 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: the crowd and we're trying to assemble peacefully. And we 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: know that is what generated the actual complaints. And once 112 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: you start getting one and two and three good complaints, 113 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: you're going to get one hundred more following. 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: No question about it. So had there been better management, 115 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: in other words, had the mayor gotten more actively involved 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: or sharel Long gotten more actively involved as city manager 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: or council getting more actively involved in directions to the 118 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: police department. I guess I'm just wondering where the breakdown 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: comes in, you know, explaining to them, though you just 120 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: can't randomly pick up people for peaceably assembling, you got 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: to have a specific crime. Is that the kind of 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: directive as a police officer, when you were a police officer, 123 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: as you currently understand things, is that the kind of 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: thing you would expect council, the manager and or the 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: mayor to do in advance of the obviously knowing that 126 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: these protests are going on, hell had been going on 127 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: for several days, So what do you expect them to do? 128 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Well? See, this is what happens, Brian, when the left 129 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and 130 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: the lack of communication. And I'm gonna be honest with you, 131 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: no matter what situation I was in, I remember the riots, 132 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: even with Tim Thomas and that particular situation, and at 133 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: the time, I'm gonna be the supervisors were ridiculous. And 134 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: this is where you really have to sit back and 135 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: ask what are we doing at this particular time, how 136 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: are we doing it? And make sure te's a cross 137 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: and eyes or dotted. So somewhere in this particular situation, 138 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: somebody clearly dropped the ball and they just grabbed a 139 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: group of individuals and said, hey, we're gonna get these 140 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: officers down here. If they across the street the wrong way, 141 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: arrest them. And this is where the breakdown is in communication. 142 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: And fair enough, Now your takeaway, did they collectively learn 143 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: anything from this on a going forward basis? New practices 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: or protocols put into place so we don't have to 145 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: continue to write checks. 146 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: Andre, you know what, I guess the answer will be. 147 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: We will soon see because we both know that there's 148 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: going to be another type of protest, another type of 149 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: writing situation, and this is where leadership matters and making 150 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: sure that the right people are in place that these 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: things don't continue to happen again. 152 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: All right, well, I'll tell you what. We almost out 153 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: of time in this segment. I'm gonna break a little 154 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: bit early and let you know in advance on this 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: particular topic. Law enforcement generally and writing checks want to 156 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: hit you for what's the status on the Chief Washington situation? 157 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: Do we learn anything from that Chief Diji? Do we 158 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: ever get a reason for why they put her on 159 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: administrative leave? That one seems to be swirling with question marks? 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: And doesn't it not look like we're going to be 161 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: writing a couple of very long ar checks in connection 162 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: with their cases against the city. Let's continue with Brother 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Dre Andre, you and curse breakers three hundred strong. It's 164 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: eight fourteen right now. We'll be right back after these 165 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: brief words. Fifty five KRC. You want to give the 166 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: gift that'll actually use this holiday pure c the talk 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: station eight eighteen fifty fock KRCD Talk Station, Happy Friday, 168 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: Brother Dre. You can call him Andre Ewing if you like. 169 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: That's his Facebook page, Andre A N. Dre e Ewing 170 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: e Wing. I follow him all the time. He does 171 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: great rants. He's on the program for this hour talking 172 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: about matters going on the city of Cincinnati, before we 173 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: get into the questions I have about former fire Chief 174 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Washington and the currently on administrative leave dismissed police chief 175 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: three Sothigi. I see that you are going to have 176 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: a brand new web page after the year. Is that 177 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: the one you want people to go to after the 178 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: first of the year, or are you going to stick 179 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: with Andrea Ewing. I'm just letting my friends know so 180 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: they can check out what you got to say. 181 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: Andre, Yes, sir, after the first of the year, go 182 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: go back to Curse Breakers three hundred dash, Brother Dre, 183 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: and all the content will be pushed over to that 184 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: particular page. 185 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Fair enough, And you want to remind my listeners what 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: you do with Cursebreakers three hundred. I know it's prison ministry, 187 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: but just put a little more information on the bones 188 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: of that general description, because I think it's a great thing. 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: You're doing Yeah, Curse Breaker is three hundred just designed 190 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: to assist and help individuals to come over what I 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: call supernatural strongholds of things in their life. And so 192 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: it burst in the prison system to just give people 193 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: hope before they get released and to have them in 194 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: a stronger mental, physical, and spiritual position. So it just 195 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: expands outside of prison because everyone in life is going 196 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: through some strongholds they need to break. 197 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: Isn't that true? And if you had to boil it 198 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: down to the single most or the predominant reason any 199 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: of the men that work with in prison and try 200 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: to turn their lives around why they got there or 201 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: how they got there, what would you point to Andre 202 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: if I can even put you on the spot along 203 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: those lines, Because you know a lot of reasons people 204 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: get into crime, but I think maybe the deterioration of 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: the family. I know drugs are quite often involved, but 206 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: what drives a person to crime in them for the 207 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: most part that you've seen. 208 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: Is exactly what you said. That stronghold is extremely deep, 209 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: that upbringing death surrounding they I talk to kids even 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: at are ten years old, and we've always asked how 211 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 2: did you start getting hooked on drug? And they say, 212 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: oh wow, I learned it from my dad or my 213 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: mom or an adult. And so family is a key 214 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: component on individuals that are incarcerated and. 215 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: A key component to success as well. Strong family is 216 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: more likely to lead to success regardless of income, I 217 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: would argue, correct, Andre. 218 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: Correct, correct, surprised. I've seen strong families break through the 219 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: utmost just strong holds just because they have that family support. 220 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: So it can work both ways. 221 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes in the absence of family, that's where 222 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: faith can be a great substitute. There is still some 223 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: hope and some reason to be a strong, positive, crime 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: free individual. All right, brother Dre, let's pivot over here. 225 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: We had the whole problem in the lawsuit that ensued 226 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: as a result of Chief Washington, the fire chief getting dismissed. 227 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: Looks like they're going to be writing a pretty big check. 228 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: I think all errors indicate that the city of Cincinnati's 229 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: on the hook. Now we've got police chief threes a 230 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: Thigi and after the summer violence, she was put on 231 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: I guess, paid administrative leave and was left with a 232 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: substitute chief. Have you heard a specific reason why they 233 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: took that action against police Chiefdji? Because I haven't heard 234 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: a reason. It's almost as if they said, all right, 235 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: you're off the job, and then they're going to go 236 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: investigate on why they removed her from the position. Is 237 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,359 Speaker 1: it like a ready fire aim or am I missing 238 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: some of the facts. 239 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: No, you're not missing the facts. And this is the 240 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: ridiculousness of the city manager and the leadership. It just 241 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: appears that they have blank checks to write for everyone. 242 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: And even though I've been outspoken on the leadership of 243 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: Chief Thiji and the way things went, the way that 244 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager have conducted this process 245 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: has just been sloppy across the board. Mike Washington, the 246 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: fire former fire chief should have never been fired in 247 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: the first place. I mean there's no reason, no evidence whatsoever. 248 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: So to have somebody abuse their authority and consistently abuse 249 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: their authority, it's interesting how the city is okay with 250 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: all these checks that are being written out that they're 251 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: going to have to pay. And at some point it's 252 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: people are going to have to prove a point saying 253 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: we support this type of nonsense by being silence, or 254 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: are we just gonna not support the city and move out. 255 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure a lot of people making choices 256 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: along both of those lines. But you know, the big 257 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: component and all of this for me is usually and 258 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: is in this particular case. Why so you can say 259 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: they're abusing their authority. Yes they are, at least it 260 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: seems to be so. But they even if they came 261 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: out loud and said we have removed Chief Fiji for 262 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: this or these reasons, at least you could put look 263 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: to the reasons they cited and say, well, that is 264 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: beyond your authority. There's no reason to dismiss her for that. 265 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Or we could collectively say, you know what, that's a 266 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: pretty good reason. It sounds like you got something to 267 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: hang your hat on when she ultimately sues you for 268 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: wrongful termination or reputation violation or something like that. Instead 269 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: we get nothing, and you're. 270 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: Not gonna get nothing. And that's why at the beginning, 271 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: let's say you you make these decisions. At the beginning, 272 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: when the majority of police officers said, hey, look we 273 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: don't think Chief the is the actual best choice, you 274 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: decide to choose her anyway, And there are sources that 275 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: say that Cheryl Long clearly clearly stated that this is 276 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: my pick and I cannot get this wrong. Okay, so 277 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: you fires or put somebody on administrative lead that you selected, 278 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: so you are part of the problem. And so I've 279 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: always been very very clear I'm not letting any of 280 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: them off the hook. But it still starts with Sheryl 281 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Long And where is her experience to start to just 282 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: fire individuals who may or may not deserve it and 283 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: does not do the proper investigation. And here we are 284 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: again with this foolishness, this nonsense, talking about this going 285 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: into the new year, making more and more payouts on 286 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: ridiculous information and how people leave this city. And plus 287 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: it was a political move during the time, very strategic 288 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: to get rid of Fiji, so a have to have 289 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: to kind of separate hisself from that process. 290 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: That sounds like a political motivation. It sounds like a 291 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: pretty strong argument you're making there, Andrea Ewing, I'm just wondering. 292 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this in the next segment when 293 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: we continue with Brother Dre. Did Iris Rowley have anything 294 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: to do with that? And what's with this six hundred 295 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: and fifty some one thousand dollars ever increasing sweetheart deals 296 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: she has with the city of Cincinnati And how much 297 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: controlled and power does she have it's unusual thing we've 298 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: got going on here in the city. Will continue with 299 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: brother Dre. Take twenty five right now. If you five 300 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: KARSD talk station, This is fifty five KARC and iHeartRadio. 301 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: If you fi kr CD talk station. A very happy 302 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: right aga. Much like Todd Zenzer, citizen watchdog, former inspector General. 303 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: He was on the program earlier this week talking about 304 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: some of the shenanigans going on with city council, the 305 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: mayor's office, et cetera. Andrea Ewing brother Dre would like 306 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: to call him. He calls himself that Andrea Ewing on Facebook. 307 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: He rants regularly about some very important topics in the city. 308 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Former law enforcement officer, thirty years on the force. Mike 309 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: write on that was thirty full years, Andre. 310 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: It was about just short of thirty. So let's just 311 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: say twenty nine and once you get over to half 312 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: is thirty years. 313 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: There you are. I'll round up for you. Well, what 314 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: it's easy to do with you man, all right, pivoting over. 315 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the whole chief situation 316 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: and the problems with that. Something tells me, because she's 317 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: been around for a long time, she has a very 318 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: very big contract with the city of Cincinnati, and she 319 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: is a profound critic of law enforcement, you know, or 320 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: I guess, Iris, Rollie, Andre, they just re upped her 321 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: contract apparently two days after the election. They didn't want 322 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: that to be an election issue, So she's got a 323 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: bigger contract. And I note from prior reporting that I've 324 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: read around from other news outlets that she directed some 325 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: of the money to her husband to print T shirts 326 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: and hoodies and things of that. She hired her son 327 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: to do some of the work on Government Square with 328 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: regard to the youth violence. We were having, so a 329 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: lot of nepotism going on in there. But being a 330 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: sub contractor not an employee of the city, I guess 331 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: she's allowed to do that, although it looks terrible. What's 332 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: your take on her involvement in all this? How did 333 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: she become such a powerful player in the city, and 334 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: how is it they keep bringing her back year after 335 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: year after year. 336 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: Andre, Clearly the start here, Iris Rowley is untouchable, Okay 337 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: at this point in the game of things that we've 338 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: witnessed since two thousand and one, in her direct involvement 339 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: with Tim Thomas h the shooting, she has not stopped 340 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: from that point. And interesting enough, she has done some 341 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: uh say, good things with police reform, but it has 342 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: gone to a point of being overboard. I've been very 343 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: vocal about saying what exactly is her position. You got 344 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 2: to remember that Astab got in office strictly from Iris 345 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: Rowley beating the streets for him twice. Okay, she was 346 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: the She was the one who started advocate avoc Aftab 347 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: early when he was elected, and he of course hired 348 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: her to city hall. She's been a consultant for sure 349 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: long and that's been clear, and she also was a 350 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 2: extreme selection for Chief Aji. So Iris Roly right now 351 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: is above the law and she's moving in that same direction. 352 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter basically what goes on or what 353 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: people say, what's her payout, her husband's getting something. If 354 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: Aftab city Manager, council is allowing it, and she's a 355 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: consultant for the city, then do you look at Iris 356 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: Roly or you'd you look at the leadership that's saying, hey, 357 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: this is what we are giving you the power to do, 358 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 2: and no one's gonna touch you, and you're going to 359 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: have all the backing necessary to do whatever you want. 360 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: And that's clear, and that is obvious in the way 361 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: that she moves and operates. 362 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: So because of her, I'll say that we use the 363 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: word popularity within a lot of people within the community, 364 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: she wields a lot of power over who those folks 365 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: in the community vote for. I don't understand blind allegiance, Andre, 366 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: but that's just apparently the way it is. 367 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: Now. 368 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: Considering that, well, we'll just say we've got some issues 369 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: with Iris Rolly in these contracts, and let's just say 370 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the City of sinsineties this is too much. We're going 371 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: to break ties with her. You know. I know you 372 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: said she's untouchable, and I agree with you, because that's 373 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: the way it seems. Does anybody really think if they 374 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: cut Iris Rolly loose in advance of that election, that 375 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: Corey Bowman would be mayor? Now, I mean, could she 376 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: go out there and all these blue Democrat, very blue 377 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: folks that live in the city, would they actually listen 378 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: to her and not vote for aftab Parvoll since he 379 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: was the only Democrat on the ticket. That much power? 380 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm gonna actually say she has that much power, 381 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: you know, to see she at every political event, she 382 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: has her hand in everything. She has the support of 383 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: Damon Lynch, has a lot of powerful pastors and business 384 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: owners in the city. You don't get to move the 385 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: way she moves without having some serious, serious, major players 386 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: that are backing you up. Wow. And so when people 387 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: constantly say, man, how can she move this way and 388 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: that way? Hey, guess what if your big brother says 389 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: I don't care what you do, I got you, guess what, 390 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: You'll go in and bully anybody anytime, anywhere and have 391 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: a voice in any position. If you look on any news, 392 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: speeds or what have you. IRIS is always in the 393 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: background somewhere. And so it's been clear that the af 394 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: TAB the council saying, hey, this is what we're gonna 395 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: write you a check to do these things. But I've 396 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: always just said, hey, where the money going, how is 397 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: it distributed? Let's see the numbers of the total success 398 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: and make sure you're transparent to the city. Yeah, to 399 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 2: show these numbers. 400 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's doing a great job and achieving the 401 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: goals that she was paid, that she's being paid to do, 402 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: then they should all be walking around trumpeting that. But apparently, 403 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: and this is kind of thing I learned from Todd 404 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Zinzer and others. All the money that goes out to 405 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: these various very political, non governmental organizations to do work 406 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: in the community of whatever variety. Nobody's following up the 407 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: scenes that's even being done. The money goes out, there's 408 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: no accountability. It just keeps going out. And I worry 409 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: about that because when you send out that kind of 410 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: money on a short budget we've got anyway, maybe that 411 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: money is going out because it finds a loop right 412 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: back into the pockets of candidates running for office. 413 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: Right There's a lot of issues that's going on, and 414 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: I've been clear to say, when you have things that 415 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: are just extreme, then maybe a federal audit needs to 416 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: come in and just look at the entire process. Just 417 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: do a federal audit, see where these numbers, this money 418 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: are being moved into certain hands, and get it from 419 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: the top down. Because then if you do that, I 420 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: guarantee you fo once again follow the money and then 421 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: you will understand exactly how these things are being maneuvered. 422 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 2: But if no one questions that you can do whatever 423 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: you want when you're you're the sole bank in this project, 424 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: yes you can. 425 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: Andre youung pause will bring you back, We'll give you. 426 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: You get a comment or two on speaking of money, 427 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: Follow the Money Aftab's car trouble money Receive the talk 428 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: station A forty fifty five care See the talk station 429 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with Andrea Ewing. Andrea Ewing on Facebook follow him. 430 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: It gives on some excellent terrors and really things that 431 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: make you go hmm. He's speaking his heart and mind 432 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: on matters he's familiar with. And as we pivot away 433 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: from Iris, rolly over to Aftab. Per I learned from 434 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: Todd Zenzer the other day when he was on our 435 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog. He was a former Inspector General for the 436 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: federal government. We were talking about this very issue missing 437 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: his car payment and having his car repossessed. Embarrassing, yes, 438 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: but he mentioned that you as a federal government employee, 439 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: they're not allowed to miss their payments because it creates 440 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity for maybe bribery or extortion. So there's good 441 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: reasons you want your elected officials or those working in 442 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: government to be free from that possibility. So here we 443 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: have Aftab Purval running one of the larger cities in 444 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: this in the state of Ohio, can't even manage his 445 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: own finances and a really lame excuse, Andrea, I know 446 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: you heard it. He came out and said, well, he 447 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: had problems with his payment app as if he wouldn't 448 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: have gotten notices independent of that app that he was 449 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: behind in his car payment so much so that they 450 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: were going to come and repossess his car. What's your 451 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: take on this, brother, Dre. 452 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: That's my take on it. I'm laughing because this is ridiculous. 453 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day day, how 454 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: can you take care of the city if you can't 455 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: take care of your own home And it comes down 456 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: to the responsibilities of things that are in place. I'm 457 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: not going to give you a pass on that. I mean, 458 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: I've never missed a car payment, never and AVTAB is 459 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: in control of way more money than I am, so 460 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it was just a 461 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: people can say, an honest mistake. No, it was once 462 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: again neglect, just sloppy what I call book keeping. And 463 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: if you can't even manage your own financial account, then 464 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to what I said prior to 465 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: our conversation. Let's do an entire federal audit on the 466 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: money since you've been in office, and let's see where 467 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: the money goes, because this is just a tell tale 468 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: of the issues and what has been involved since you've 469 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: been in office. 470 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's obviously paid well in mouth. He should 471 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: be able to afford a car payment. I don't know 472 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: what his financial situation is, but embarrassing at minimum. So 473 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: and again, lame excuse coming out of the gate after that, 474 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: no follow up either. I haven't heard anybody press them one. Well, 475 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: did you get any notices? Did they get reach out 476 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: to you? Your car just was gone one day and 477 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: you had no idea ahead of time that that might happen. 478 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't buy that for a minute. Andrew you another 479 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: one of your rants December fourth, on affordable housing. The 480 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: Wizard aftab strikes again. What were you ranting on about 481 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: this one? 482 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: Andre Hey, I've said he's Deani. He will look you 483 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: dead in your face and tell you. Public safety was 484 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: number one, two and three on his list, and I 485 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: know from a police officer standpoint that it was not. 486 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: He only came forward on it when he was pushed 487 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: into a corner. And the Sarah Heringer situation put everyone 488 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: on blast. And so here we are again with a 489 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: housing situation. He knew this was going to happen, it 490 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: was already in place, and if you want to build 491 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: the housing. And it's interesting that Corey Bowman actually talked 492 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: about that, how these properties are being placed and built 493 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: and it's just a setup for say, here's a affordable 494 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: housing of six hundred a month, but at time when 495 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: it comes, guess what it's going to raise through the roofs. 496 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: So what if he say, oh, I had absolutely no clue. 497 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm just totally upset. Here we go again. You didn't 498 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: have a clue about your car payment, and now you 499 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: didn't have a clue about something as serious as property 500 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 2: in the City of Cincinnati that has to come across 501 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: council when your death. I'm not buying it, and the 502 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: city better start paying attention. 503 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: Well. One of the things that gave Corey Bowman at 504 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: least some traction was how the mayor treated the Hyde 505 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: Park residents in the Bond Hill residence with this connected 506 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: community's nonsense, this one size fits all. You will build 507 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: in accordance with these very limited standards, or you're not 508 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: going to build at all. I mean, how do you 509 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: expect to achieve afordable housing when you don't give neighborhoods 510 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: the flexibility. They need to do what they believe in 511 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: that it is in their best interest. I find that 512 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: very puzzling. 513 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: Oh, it is very pleasant. And I've already said affordable 514 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: housing is a it's a trick to get other things 515 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: in place. And if you look all across the city, 516 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: affordable housing is going to be a thing of the past. 517 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: You you can't you can't even get anything that's affordable 518 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: nowadays in the neighborhood. So this is going to backfire. 519 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: I've seen it backfire. I've seen how things operate in 520 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: this city, and it's going to get worse. I remember, 521 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 2: if you can remind me, Brian, what was the uh 522 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: the train situation downtown that they were trying to promote, 523 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: and they they voted the city voted it down. But 524 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: over time it ended up costing the city millions anyway, 525 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: with the street car, with the streetcar exactly now, when 526 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: that was going on, let me tell you something, let 527 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: me tell you something, and this is this is a fact. 528 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: When that was going on and they said they voted 529 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: it down, I'm doing details downtown Cincinnati and I'm and 530 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: they're digging up the streets, And I asked, what project 531 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: do you have he said, oh, this is the streetcar. 532 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: I said, well, I was voted down. He said, well, 533 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: he said, that's above my pay grade. They told us 534 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: to start digging. It's going to get passed. And guess what, 535 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: it got passed. And that's a fact. That's not that's 536 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: not something I'm sitting here making up. You can go 537 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: back and look at my say details when I was 538 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: doing as an officer, and that was getting placed in 539 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: before it was passed. 540 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: So the rumors that are swirling, and I've heard from 541 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: quite a few what I consider connected people that they're 542 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: talking about, at least behind the scenes, a second leg 543 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: of the street car, even if they deny it, that 544 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: maybe coming forward at some point, considering the history we've 545 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: got with the street car here. 546 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: Andre, Yeah, at this point, Brian, what what is this 547 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 2: city doing? I'm telling you this city is in trouble 548 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 2: and people better pay attention because even in my past posts, 549 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: I said, you want Gotham City overall, you're gonna get 550 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: Gotham City, whether it's the streetcar, whether it's this crazy 551 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: case going on with Elmwood Jones and theaters and Connie Pillage. 552 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: This city is on edge and you got the Henderson 553 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: case coming up next month. I'm telling you right now, 554 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: brother Brian, this city is on edge, and this is 555 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: going to be a hot mess New Year's and spring 556 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: and summer coming up, just get ready. 557 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: I wish he had more better news on that one, 558 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: but I can't argue with you on that. Andre. It 559 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: does appear that things are heading in that direction. On 560 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: that dismissal that murder case. After all the dispositive evidence 561 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: and the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, all the appeals 562 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: that that guy went through is on death row thirty years, 563 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: they ultimately dismiss it. Question, do you think Iris Rolly 564 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: had anything to do with that? 565 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: I always ask how did em with Jones name even 566 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: come up? What was the I know they have the 567 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: innocence projects and they look into evidence or what have you, 568 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: But how did his name even come up? And what's 569 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: interesting is, of course Deeters released the letters that was 570 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: uh uh that signal ninety nine posted as well, and 571 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: and Deaters has h expressed his outrage and and even 572 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: the family had expressed their outrage of talking about where 573 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: they're disappointed. Connie Pillage said, no, they are outraged of this, 574 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: uh this process. So this go once again now opens 575 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: the door to investigate everything that Deaters and his investigative 576 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: team has touched and to see, uh, is there any 577 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: wrongful convictions, because that's what Connie Pillage clearly said that 578 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: they said this office got it wrong. And that's a deep, 579 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: deep statement. 580 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: Well it is, most notably considering the appellate record. They 581 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: took it all the way from the state court through 582 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: the state process and the defendant move over to the 583 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: federal court and pursued federal processes, and all the courts 584 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: said no guilty and there was nothing there to even consider. 585 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: So I don't get this, and that's why it's a 586 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: big question mark for me. And that's kind of why 587 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: I threw the irus' early question because who brought this 588 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: to their attention? And I believe in that project. I 589 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: don't think a man should be spending a moment time 590 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: in jail that didn't commit the crime, and let's get 591 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: him out of jail if he was convicted wrongfully. But 592 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: in this particular case, they just don't have the facts 593 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: on that one, at least that's my take on it. 594 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: Most notably, after what the Supreme Court Justice Dieter said 595 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: about when he was Hamlin County prosecutor and how the 596 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: case was prosecuted. Brother Dre Andre Ewing fin him on Facebook. 597 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: Follow him, you'll love his rants. I appreciate you joining 598 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: the program today, Andre, and on behalf of my listening audience, 599 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: Joe Strekker and myself. We all wish you a very 600 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: very merry Christmas and happy New Year, and I hope 601 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: we I'm looking forward to talking with you in the 602 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: coming year, sir. 603 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: Likewise, Brian, thank you so much. I appreciate you and 604 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: you have a peaceful and safe holiday. And all the 605 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: listeners hug and love your family every second that you get. 606 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: Amen to that, and I'll underscore it and put it 607 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: in bold and all caps. Take care of brother Jery. 608 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon. It's eight forty nine fifty five. 609 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 1: Care se