1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Dragon. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: I'm so disappointed you didn't use my trucker horn with 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 2: the flat. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Well almost a red beard. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: I see that once again, you are indeed the cause 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: of most of the troubles in my life. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I try so by iranium butt plugs. 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 3: Seriously, you actually read it? 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: No, I didn't read it. I saw it on the headline. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: You read the headline. 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: I read the headline. I deleted the email, and then 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: I came in here and I'm setting it up my 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: little cubicle. You know that, Brenda so graciously, you know, 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: provides me this huge, monstrous cubicle to work in, and 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: she just happens to be standing right here's for you. 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: I'm being a smart ass, and I all I can 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: hear is Koa, you know, blaring out. You know, I'm 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: trying to actually do some work, and all I hear 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: is about bahrainium butt plugs seriously. And then and then 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: people get mad at me if I tell a fart 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: joke seriously, and she really whatever they're doing over here, 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: do I wonder? 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: We got we we get We got the big boss 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: in the studio right now? Whoa, we have the teat 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 2: big boss? 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: How about that? How about that? 28 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 4: Well? 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: A man to make sure you're doing your job. 30 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: You know, I I've all the way you micro manage 31 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: be coming in here every day. 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: And standing over my shoulder is wonderful. I love that, 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: you know. Can we do this every day? 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: Yes? We can? Would you like that? 35 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? But you know what, you wouldn't last a week. 36 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: I wouldn't last night. 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: That's right, you would not last an hour? 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: All right? 39 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: Well? Nice, I didn't see us crush rush. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 40 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: see you Jack. 41 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 5: Does anybody else think it's a coincidence that as soon 42 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 5: as you come over here to KOA, they're going to 43 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: replace the glass with bulletproof glass. 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: It's just I kind of thought that's what they were 45 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: probably discussing, but I wasn't going to bring it up 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: on air. But I've been asked before as the form 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: under secretary of Old Man Security, Uh, do we have 48 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: any security flaws in the building? 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 5: Uh? 50 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't. You know, maybe, and I. 51 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: Don't want to talk about it, but let's just say 52 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: that a space that's open to the public, where you 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: could walk in and well just take me out at 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: any moment, might be a security flaw. Or it might 55 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: be I don't know, it might be a business proposition. Anyway, 56 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 2: I can't believe that you discussed by iranium butt plugs. 57 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: And now I regret having actually read the article. 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Because what's going on. 59 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't read the article. I just 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: heard the headline. 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: So what all of you talk about? Because you clearly 62 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: you were part of the conversation too. 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 3: We were talking about how it was National past gas 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: Day and that. 65 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Got up somehow that led into buy rain but plugs. 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 5: I would there's a there's a bit that we tried 67 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 5: to do it occasionally on the Rotten Ross Kaminski on 68 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 5: the news with Gina that's called the Realer fake headlines, 69 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 5: So that was one of the real headlines. 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, Well that's enough of that. I 71 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: don't want to go any further on that one, which 72 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: I know people are clapping and going to hallelujah, hallelujah. Recently, 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: I had an occasion, well actually it was Monday. I 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: purchased a car, a new vehicle. I replaced the old 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Beamer with a new Beamer. And uh, I mean, I'm 76 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: happy I did. I really this car is really really 77 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: dies and I really really like it, but I need 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: to pay it off. Quickly because I don't like having 79 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: car payments, so I'm gonna have to you know, pay 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: it down fast. So because I bought the car out 81 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: of state, first time I've done that. 82 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 83 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: I think I casually mentioned this yesterday. So I had 84 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: to go get a I had to go to Douglas 85 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: County Sheriff's office get a then inspection, which was kind 86 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: of interesting because the nice lady from the Sheriff's an 87 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: actually when Highland's rans that came out saw my vehicle 88 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: and saw it was an M Sport and goes, oh, 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: I've got a four forty, And I'm like, oh, how 90 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: do you like? You know, because my service advice was 91 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: at four forty And then you know, he raises it. 92 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: And then I turned to her and I said, just 93 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: between you and me, how fast have you gotten it? 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: And she looked at me and said, well, you know, 95 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't really want to say because you know, because 96 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: of my job, I could get in trouble if oh 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: you can trust me, you can trust me. I'd never 98 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: tell anybody. 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: It's not like you have a syndicated road radio show. 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: I'd never tell anybody this on my Dougga's County Sheriff's 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: office took an M four forty out on the highway 102 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: and got it an nexcess one hundred miles an hour. 103 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: I would never say that on air. I'm missing not 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: that kind of person. And I just grandaddr and thought 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: that I finally did confess after I got tracted her 106 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 2: from her, that you don't have any jurisdiction in New Mexico, 107 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: right right, Okay, well, let me say half fast. I 108 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: got my old one. I haven't gotten this one that 109 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: fast yet. But now I've got to wait until I 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: get back to New Mexico or somewhere because you might 111 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: be looking for me. Long story short, I get that 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: stupid vent inspection done, and then I had an appointment 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, but thought, you know, screw it, I'm just 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: gonna go because they accept walk in. I'm gonna do 115 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: a walk in and just see what happens if I 116 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: walk into the DMV to see if I can't go 117 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: ahead and get the registration in the plates and everything 118 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: else done. So I go in, I get my little 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: number F three sixteen, that was my number F three sixteen, 120 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: and so I wait and I wait and I wait, 121 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: you know, and truthfully, I didn't wait that long. 122 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: As I said yesterday, the. 123 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Woman was very nice, very polite, very helpful, pretty efficient. 124 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: But when I finished the process, I realized how deep 125 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: this state is in due doo just by registering a vehicle. 126 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: I want you to think about And I think I 127 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: heard something. Dragon kept correct me if I'm wrong, if 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But didn't I hear on the news that 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: they're finally telling the story about how we're not going 130 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: to get a table refund. 131 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: That is correct. 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're not going to get a table refund. 133 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: That was in the top of the news. But I 134 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: want you to think about it. And and I freely 135 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 2: meant I forgot to bring in my receipt. But thanks 136 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: to AI, I've generated a list of all of the 137 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: fees and the taxes that I paid registering that vehicle. 138 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: Now you know as well as I do. That's the 139 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: Colorado Pullet Bureau. And again I gotta remember, I'm fairly 140 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: new over here on this station. The Colorado Pollet Bureau 141 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: is that building that some people call the Colorado State 142 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: Capitol Building at the corner of Colfax and Broadway, between 143 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: Broadway and Lincoln. That's where the pollp Bureal sits much 144 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: like the Politt Bureal sits in you know Moscow. Well, 145 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: we have our you know, in Red Square, we have 146 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: our little Red Square too. It's controlled by the Democrats 147 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: and there are a bunch of Marxists and communists and 148 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: they think that. And again going back to our conversation 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: yesterday about how Orwell and Friedrich Hyak really talked about 150 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: how language is a precursor to finally using government propaganda 151 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: to make you believe something that's not true, but to 152 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: trying to convince you that it's true. The the the 153 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: dumbasses at the Colorado Polla Bureau have decided that they're 154 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: going to impose fees because if you impose a fee, 155 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: that's not a tax, and so therefore TABOR doesn't limit 156 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: what they can do. 157 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: And they got me to. 158 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Thinking, as lawyers tend to do, what really is the 159 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: difference between a tax and a fee? Have you ever 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: really thought about this, because we know what feels from 161 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: an end goal, what the ultimate purpose is right to 162 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: extract as much money from you as politically possible, and 163 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: prevent that from bumping up against the TABOR limits so 164 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: that they can still collect money from you. And not 165 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: have to return any of that money to you because 166 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: of the taxpayer Bill of Rights. So that got me 167 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: to thinking about what is the difference between a tax 168 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: and a fee. Now I don't like my own answer, 169 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: but I'm going to give it to you anyway, because 170 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: you need to understand legally, whether we like it or not, 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: this is the difference. A government tax is a compulsory charge, 172 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: and now taxes are primarily intended to raise revenue for 173 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: general government purposes. A fee, this is just a generalization 174 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: right now. While a government fee, on the other hand, 175 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: is a charge that's tied to providing a very specific 176 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: service or providing a very specific benefit to the payer, 177 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: and is limited by the cost of that service. So 178 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: if the service is and I want to use one, 179 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: that's confusing. If the purpose is to repair bridges, then 180 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: you have to have a specific amount dollar amount in 181 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: mind to repair bridges, but you're going to charge a 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: fee even though a bridge is what a general government purpose, 183 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: it's not a limited purpose in the sense of government 184 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: finances or government programs. A bridge and repairing a bridge 185 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: in yours the benefit of all tax payers. 186 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Because even though you may never. 187 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: Use that bridge personally, you may never drive across that bridge, 188 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: you nevertheless benefit from that bridge because the delivery guy, 189 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: our trucker, drive over that bridge on his way to 190 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: deliver you know, by erenium butt plugs to the adult bookstore, 191 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 2: or to deliver you know, produce and groceries to King 192 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: Supers or Safeway, or more likely to Trader Joe's or 193 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: whole paychecks. Those are general purposes that benefit you. But 194 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: they don't call it a tax. They call it a fee. 195 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: Here are the core legal distinct distinction that I want 196 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: you to understand. Taxes primary purpose is to raise money 197 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 2: for general government spending or these broad public programs, even 198 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: if you do not directly use or benefit from that 199 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: specific program. For example, property taxes support schools that you 200 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: may not use because you don't have any children or grandchildren. 201 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: You have no children whatsoever anywhere in the state of Colorado. Yeah, 202 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: you pay property taxes to support schools. 203 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Now, I can make an argument that in years to year. 204 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: Benefit because we all benefit from a highly educated population. 205 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: It's is just another example of something that Colorado can't 206 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: do right. We can't provide a highly educated population because 207 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: their school system sucks so badly. A fees primary purpose, 208 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: legally is to defray the cost of a particular government service, 209 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: a particular government regulations, or maybe a program that is 210 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: specifically connected to the payer. For example, when you pay 211 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: a park entrance fee, you know, because I got asked, 212 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: do I want to pay the Colorado Wild Fear whatever 213 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: it is? You know, it gives you the entrance to 214 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: the state parks. And my answer was no, because I 215 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: use the jeep, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, to take the dogs. 216 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: If we're going to go hiking in a state park somewhere, 217 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: primarily the Chatfield Dog Park, then I'm going to use 218 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: the jeep. I'm not going to put the dogs. I'm 219 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: not going to put two Limburger's in a you know, 220 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: X expensive M three point I BMW. I'm not going 221 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: to do that. So no, I turned that one down. 222 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: But that is an example of a park entrance. They 223 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: just connected to the payer I'm paying for that particular use. 224 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: Now think about the nexus to a particular service. 225 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Though with a. 226 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: Tax, there is no required one to one connection between 227 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: the amount paid and any particular service that gets received. 228 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: So a tax receipt, your income tax, your sales tax, 229 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: from the fact matter, even to some to go your 230 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: property taxes because they don't support schools only they go 231 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: to support other things. 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 5: So a. 233 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: With a tax, no required connection, no one to one 234 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: connection between the amount you pay an a tax and 235 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: any particular service that you may or may not receive, 236 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: Because tax receipts, the money they extract from you forcefully 237 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: can be used anywhere for anything, as long as that's 238 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: a public purpose within the polit burea's discretion. With a 239 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: fee the courts, the courts typically require at least some 240 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: sort of relationship between the amount of the fee and 241 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: the government's cost of providing a particular service or regulatory activity. 242 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: So that charge is supposed to be imposed on those 243 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 2: who either use that service or create the need for 244 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: the regulation. 245 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: I want you to keep that in mind. 246 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: A fee is imposed on those who either use the 247 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: service so a particular service used by a particular payer, 248 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: or create the need for a regular you know, a 249 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: regulatory scheme. And think about this compulsion versus choice? This one, 250 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: This one really bugs me. Did I have a choice? 251 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: Taxes are compulsory if you fall into the tax class. 252 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: You own property, you earn income, you make taxable sales, 253 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: you have capital gains, whatever it might be, you have 254 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: to pay regardless of whether you use any of the 255 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: resulting services that the Paulup Bureau uses that money to create. Now, fees, 256 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: and this really irritates me, are often described as voluntary 257 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: in the sense that you incur them by choosing to 258 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: use the service or to engage in the regulated activity. Again, 259 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: some examples are, you file for a license, so you 260 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: pay a licensing fee. You enter a park, so you 261 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: pay a park entrance fee, you cross a toll bridge, 262 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: you pay the fee. Or you use the express lanes 263 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: on the twenty five or the four seventy, you pay 264 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: the fee for the use of that lane. But wait 265 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: a minute, what if I pay a and we're gonna 266 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: start kind of getting into where I think these distinctions 267 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: are a bunch of bull crap. What if I pay 268 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: a fee called and I don't have this tab open 269 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: in front of me right now, so I may not 270 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: name it precisely correct. What if I pay a fee 271 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: which it was on my registration. What if I pay 272 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: a fee for a peace officer training police training? Well, 273 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's something that annures to the benefit 274 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: of everybody. I'm not paying a fee for the services 275 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: of a particularly trained cop. 276 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm not paying the fee. 277 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not getting the benefit of a particularly 278 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: trained cop. That's that's a general purpose program. Yet it 279 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: is a fee that I have no choice in paying 280 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: or not paying. In other words, as as I'm looking 281 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: at the list, and I'm actually asking this poor little 282 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: girl she regrets getting number five threes, one six at 283 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: her at her window, at her cubicle. But I'm like, 284 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: can you explain to me what some of these thees are? 285 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: And I was I wasn't trying to be rude, wasn't 286 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: trying to be in a whole I was just simply trying. 287 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: You know, I'm curious if you the person collecting this 288 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: money from me, forcing forcing me to pay these things. 289 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: And you know as well as I know that if 290 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: I ask you, do I have to pay this? I 291 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: know the answer is going to be yes. But do 292 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: you know what this? Do you know what you are collecting? 293 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: So I went to the Peace Officer training. Do you 294 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: know what that's for? 295 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: No? 296 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: I think it's it's to provide you know, training services 297 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: for the Douglas County Sheriff's Office or something. Okay, what 298 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: if I don't want to pay that, but you have 299 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: to pay it. Well, if I don't use that, you 300 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: know I haven't called or had an interaction with the cop, 301 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: and you know I couldn't tell you the. 302 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Last time I did. 303 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: I've at least on an official basis, may have had 304 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: some interactions with cops on an informal basis, but not 305 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: anything like no speeding tickets or getting pulled over anything 306 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: like that. So no, haven't been arrested lately. Well they 307 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: still long still can happen, but not lately. Fees versus 308 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: taxes is a bunch of bullcraf there being fed in 309 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: the state of Colorado because the jerk butts over at 310 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: the Colorado Poloit Bureau want to extract as much money 311 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: as possible from you and never bounce up against that 312 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: tabor limit, which would then force them to refund some 313 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: money to you. So tax proceeds might benefit the public 314 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: at large, but they're not limited to those who paid 315 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: that particular tax. 316 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: So I pay an end. 317 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: You know, you pay a sales tax, we pay an 318 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: income tax, we pay property taxes, but you know we 319 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 2: may not get the particular benefit of those, although I 320 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: know that, honestly speaking, I get the benefit of a 321 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: lot of things. I use the roads, I use the bridges, 322 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: I use the highways. I assume that the Colorado State 323 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: Patrol and the Duglas County Sheriff's Office are providing some 324 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: level of protection to me as a citizen of the 325 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: state and a citizen of that particular county. I'm not 326 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: so sure about being right here in Denver right now, 327 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: but maybe they are, maybe they're not. And then the 328 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: fees don't necessarily trigger tax specific requirements, which is why 329 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: litigation office often focuses on whether it's something that gets 330 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: labeled a fee actually functions as a tax under state 331 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: constitutional tests, and the courts will look past the label 332 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: to the south instance, because if the fee is if 333 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: it's primarily raising general revenue and is not related to 334 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: the cost of a particular service, for example, or maybe 335 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: it's imposed broadly without a specific benefit nexus, then the 336 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: courts really might reclassified as a tax. I'd like to 337 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: see all of our fees litigated, and then when it 338 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: gets recharacterized. When that fee gets recharacterized as a tax, 339 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: the charge may be struck down or it might be 340 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: enjoined an injunction if it did not comply with the 341 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: applicable tax law procedures such as you know in Colorado 342 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 2: we have to have elections for certain taxes, or the 343 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 2: constitutional limits like tabor. 344 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: So a charge is more likely likely to be a. 345 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: Tax when it's for you know, it goes into general 346 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: revenue for general funds, it applies broadly regardless of a 347 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: specific use, and it's not constrained by the cost of serving. 348 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: A particular taxpayer. 349 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: Then a charge is more likely a fee when it 350 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: finds a particular service, or it's a mitigation tied to 351 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: the payer, or the amount somehow bears a reasonable relationship 352 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: to the government's cost of providing a particular service and 353 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: is supposed to be imposed only on those who use 354 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: that service or engage in that regulated activity. Now what 355 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: do you think I paid when I registered that car. 356 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a list, and I want 357 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: you to think, is that really a tax or is 358 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: that really a fee? Michael foot plugs tell me you 359 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: meant boat plugs, please vote plugs, not the other. 360 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: I didn't mean either one of them. 361 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: That's what was carrying over from the show prior to me, 362 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: in which my producer seemed to be encouraging that kind 363 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: of discussion. 364 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: I would never, So don't sit here and. 365 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: Rag on me, dragging at e heartmedia dot com. That's 366 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: where your complaints need to go. Goober every three zero 367 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: two to three, Michael, just say it. Fees are how 368 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: the Democrats get around tabor. They can add all the 369 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: fees they want without putting it up for a vote 370 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: like they have to do with taxes. 371 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: It's just a smoke and mirrors game to get more 372 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: of your money. 373 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: I remember when owning an old car was super cheap 374 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: as it was mostly tax on values, so not much. 375 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Now there are so many fixed fees that even registering 376 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: an old car's gone way up. Thank you Democrats. That's 377 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: my point exactly. And then somebody else, well, let's see 378 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: zero four three three. I don't know if you know this. 379 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: Some of us goobers struggle every day and live paycheck 380 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: to paycheck. In the meantime, we got to listen to 381 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: your third world problems. Poor Michael bought a new BMW 382 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: and had a hard time getting places. I wish I 383 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: could buy a new vehicle. I'm trying to use my 384 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: personal experience as an example of how we're all being screwed. 385 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: And I don't know whether you've listened to the program 386 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 2: for a long time or not. But I really think 387 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: you'll soon find that I've got a ton of empathy 388 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: for everybody, not just people who are struggling. I don't 389 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: care whether you're at the bottom of the totem pole 390 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: or at the top of the podum pole. I truly, 391 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. 392 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: I truly despise the yahoos, Democrats and some Republicans who 393 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: go out to the polit bureau or go to Congress. 394 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: And they don't give a radzass about you. 395 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: They don't care about how you know, how much you 396 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: pay in taxes. They don't care how much you pay 397 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: in fees. All they care about is staying in power 398 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: and making sure that their favored constituents, you know, illegal 399 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: aliens for example. Get all the fraud. I mean, you 400 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: think about the fraud going on in Minnesota that doesn't 401 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: hurt Minnesotans, that hurt all of us. Think about May 402 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: and maybe it wouldn't be that much, but I don't care. 403 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: I don't care whether it's two dollars or two thousand 404 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 2: dollars or two million dollars. If you can reduce my 405 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: taxes by anything, reduce it, because every tax dollar of 406 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 2: mine that I get back or that I don't have 407 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: to pay to begin with, is money that oh I 408 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: can invest, which helps the economy. I could go buy 409 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: something else which helps the economy. I could give it 410 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: away which helps a charity, which helps the economy. That 411 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: money is used in the private sector or not the 412 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: public sector, and it is much more efficient, whether I'm 413 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: giving it to charity or I'm buying a widget from 414 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: Sam's or whatever it might be, is more effective in 415 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: the private sector than it will ever be in the 416 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: public sector. But the yahoos that we elect, even when 417 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: they come and tell us how conservative they are, how 418 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: libertarian they are, I just find it to be a 419 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 2: bunch of bull crap and it takes me off. And 420 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: this experience that I had Monday paying all these fees 421 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 2: ticked me off. And I'm going to use it as 422 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: any example of when I registered a new vehicle, what 423 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: I paid. And I want to go through these and 424 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: I want you to think about whether it's a tax 425 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: or a fee. Now, let's just talk about the taxes 426 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 2: in general. A specific I paid a specific ownership tax. 427 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: Now that's in lieu of them. This is just what 428 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: the law says. This is the legislative history we're gonna have. 429 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: Instead of having a personal property tax on vehicles, we're 430 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: going to have what's called a specific ownership tax that's 431 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: two point ten percent of the taxable value or about 432 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the manufacturer suggested retail price. The 433 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: taxable value is eighty percent of the MSRP, and it, 434 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: of course will decrease each year of ownership that gets 435 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: distributed out to very state and local funds based on 436 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: this stupid statutory formula that I frankly don't fully understand. 437 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: A sales and a use tax now that varies by 438 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: a specific address wherever you live in Colorado. But here's 439 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: what the use tax is composed of Colorado state sales 440 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: tax at two point nine percent, a Regional Transportation District 441 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: tax at one percent. I don't I've used light rail, 442 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: I think once in my entire lifetime in Colorado to 443 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 2: go to a Broncos game. Never do it again. Oh, 444 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: the Scientific and Cultural Facilities District, which is a zero 445 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: point one percent tax that funds all the cultural institutions. 446 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 2: I haven't been to the zoo, I haven't been to 447 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: the Imax theater. I haven't been to anything county and 448 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: local levels. Now that's going to vary for specific programs 449 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: by different counties or different local units. But let's get 450 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: to the fees. So those are the taxes. Let's get 451 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: to the fees for a moment. A registration based fee. 452 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: It's nineteen dollars and thirty cents for vehicles between two 453 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: and five thousand pounds. What's the purpose of that. It's 454 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: to fund the Highway Users Tax Fund. That fund is 455 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: for road construction and maintenance. Now it's called a fee. 456 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound like a tax because we fund everything 457 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: else about the highways through income taxes, through the general fund, 458 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: and of course we get money from the fens to 459 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: match certain funds that get you know, appropriated out of 460 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: the general fund. But no, this is a separate Why 461 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: is it separate? You know why it's separate nineteen dollars 462 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: and thirty cents because that's nineteen dollars and thirty cents 463 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: that they don't have to collect from an income tax 464 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: to go into the general fund. That will then push 465 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: them up against that table floor. 466 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: It's not a fee. It's a bunch of bull crab. 467 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: It's just what Hyatt and orwell are trying to tell 468 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: you it's a bunch of government propaganda. An age based 469 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: fee again, this is nine dollars for vehicles less than 470 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: seven years old. The purpose, oh, it's an additional registration 471 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: fee based on vehicle age. Perse Colorado Revised Statue forty 472 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: two three three ZHO four, second paragraph nine. Write that down. 473 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: But here's where it goes. It goes right back to 474 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: the same place as that registration fee, the Highway Users 475 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: Tax Fund, and that fund is used for road construction 476 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: and maintenance. So they avoid adding another nine dollars. So 477 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: we've got nineteen dollars and thirty cents for the registration fee, 478 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: nine dollars for the age based fee, so you got 479 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: twenty eight dollars thirty cents that they classify as a fee. 480 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: So that's twenty eight dollars and thirty cents times every 481 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 2: vehicle that gets registered in Colorado that doesn't go up 482 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 2: against the tabor limit. Think about that. I've got a 483 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: table limit and I got a break limit. 484 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: Mark from South Dakota. 485 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 4: Rumor is a twenty thirteen Mustang GT convertible. We'll do 486 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty five on the back roads. Everyone 487 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 4: have a great day, with. 488 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: All due respect. I don't picture him in that vehicle. 489 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 5: Right, we have seen a photo of him, so yeah, yes, 490 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 5: but he how would he know him? He's just saying 491 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: that that could have happened, whether or not. 492 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's all code for guess what I did. 493 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: Probably. 494 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: But then it's also. 495 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: Interesting because I mean, I know people can find photos 496 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: of you and me all over the place, but people 497 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: are always like, oh, I do you don't look a 498 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: thing like what you sound like. 499 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: Really, I'm much more handsome than you thought. 500 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: No, you have the face for radio, for sure. 501 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely, but arguably you do look better than when you 502 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 5: used to work for the president. 503 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: You do it better now. 504 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: Then? Do you think he really thinks I really? Do? 505 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: You were? Yes? Say it? 506 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: You were round? It's very round and puffy. 507 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, how about let's see twenty twenty two and how 508 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: about almost somewhere be paining forty. 509 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: And fifty pounds buffy? Or look at you? Yeah? Yeah yeah. 510 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: The family is generally speaking happy about it. Spouse not 511 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: too happy about it. She thinks she thinks I'm too skinny. 512 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: Oh okay, But what I find interesting is all my 513 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: doctors are ecstatic. Oh I'm sure stay. 514 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 515 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, but missus Brown, she's not a fan of the She. 516 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: Thinks I I'm too My face is too drawn and 517 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: too tight, and I'm too. 518 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 5: Well, you're one hundred and thirteen years old. Of course 519 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 5: your face is gonna be saggy. Your nose is enormous, 520 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 5: and your ear lobes are down. 521 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: To your chin. 522 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: You're old. 523 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: It's okay, you know today's program. 524 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: He's coming to an abrupt end because that just what's 525 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: totally unculled for. 526 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: It's true, it's hilarious, but totally unculled for. 527 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 5: You work with me for what four years? Now, get 528 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: used to it. I mean, con you must be new here. 529 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: But he. 530 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: No, but it just it came off with just such sincerity. 531 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: That's you know, it was It was it was more 532 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: like I can finally just tell him. 533 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: What I really think about him. So I'm gonna do well. 534 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: Former Lard asked. 535 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 5: Guess what, hey, at least your cheeks aren't sunny. He's 536 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 5: you know, sinking down. It's just your ears. 537 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: That's not all that's sinking down. That's not I mean, yeah, 538 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: that's not all that's sagging. Baby, that's not all happy. 539 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: You don't wear shorts. 540 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: Can we get back to the fees in taxes? Michael, 541 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: If a current Coloradal fee now pays for a service 542 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: or a good this is Gubman ever two eight zero six, 543 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: which was previously subsidized by Colorado state tax revenue within 544 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: within the August one, eighteen seventy six to a present window. 545 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: How does that past the smell test? It doesn't. This 546 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: is my point. I'm trying to make this. None of 547 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: these past the smell test. Isn't all money fungible? 548 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: Yes it is. 549 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: Taber is constantly under fire. You write the Colorado pollop Bureau. 550 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: It's not the legislature. The Colorado Pollet Bureau has increased 551 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: the Saint operating budget by unproportionately increasing fees without the 552 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: approval of Colra Raddin's Okay, to eight zero six has 553 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: just summed it up right there, you're exactly right. But 554 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: I want to finish because there's two more points I 555 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: want you to know, because these really just irritate me. 556 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: The faster fees faster FASTE are that's the acronym funding 557 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: advancement for surface transportation economic recovery faster. 558 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you ready for these? 559 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: There's a couple of subsets one is a road safety 560 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: search arge fee nineteen dollars and thirty cents. Again, vehicles 561 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: two thousand and five thousand pounds. Faster safety fund for 562 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: bridge and road infrastructure. Isn't that a general purpose isn't 563 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: that a general purpose expenditure? Shouldn't it be covered by 564 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: general fund revenues? Isn't that really. 565 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: A tax, not a fee? 566 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: So to the goober's point, that's exactly what they're doing here. 567 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: Oh and under the faster fees, you got the bridge 568 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: safety search charge eighteen bucks. So I paid eighteen bucks 569 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: because my vehicles between two thousand and one five pounds. 570 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: It was created by Senate Bill O nine one oh 571 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: eight for bridge repairs, for bridge improvement across Colorado. I 572 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: got a bridge right over here that I crossed every 573 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: freaking day coming into this studio. That is a total 574 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: piece of crap. I want my eighteen dollars back. The 575 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: point of all of this is go back to yesterday's 576 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: conversation about Orwell and Frederic Hyak and how government propagan. 577 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: We're not going to raise your. 578 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: Taxes, but we're gonna pay some fees and you're not 579 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: gonna have a choice in doing it. Oh and By 580 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: the way, you're not gonna get a table refund either, 581 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: So welcome to colorful Colorado, which should be really welcome 582 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: to commy Colorado. 583 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even get. 584 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: Into the you know, the environment on the emissions fees, 585 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: the oh get all the administrators fees, like a clerk 586 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: hire fee. I pay four dollars to help pay for 587 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: the salary of that government employee that helped me do 588 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: my registration. 589 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: And then I paid a county. 590 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: And road bridge fee for exactly the same thing road 591 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 2: and bridge maintenance. That's Colorado revised that you forty two 592 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: three three ten, so that fee is really a tax. 593 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: And the law enforcement all the insurance fees, peace officer 594 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: standards and training, the post fee one buck. 595 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: What's that for. 596 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: Police training programs? Isn't that a general fund expenditure? It 597 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: is in my opinion. Now the course might disagree with me, 598 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: but I live in the real world. 599 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: It's a tax. 600 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: But they're going to charge a fee so they don't 601 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: have to refund any money back to you.