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Speaker 1: More on that later, we had let's see a shooting

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Speaker 1: little bit year over year, which is causing concern. Joining

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Speaker 1: the show this morning as the president of the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Lodge Queency Lodge FOP at be Ken cober Ken.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Hi you, Ben.

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Speaker 3: Heay, Good morning, Seth. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: First, I did want to give condolences because anytime an

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Speaker 1: and concerned. And we just had two officers shot outside

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Speaker 2: So condolences, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible. Actually, I was just an Indianapolis over the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Well, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I know that they caught the guy responsible or the

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Speaker 1: fatal last night at Popula Land. Crime numbers this year,

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Speaker 1: and it's against a very small sample. We're halfway through February,

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Speaker 1: In considering the fact that it has been bloody cold

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Speaker 3: Sure, it absolutely is. I mean we did see a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it is very concerning that it's still this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do we compare it to other cities, like like,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's ironic. I was reading an article and

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Speaker 3: That is certainly a troubling trend. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're metro areas that were huge, Our birds are bigger,

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, and it's I've talked about this

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Speaker 1: Well, no question, we saw the his name was Robert Shaw.

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Speaker 3: No? I think you look at Cincinnati wanted to be

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Speaker 2: Why do you think judges aren't listening to this outcraft

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Speaker 3: I think some of these judges they ran on this,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, the county can cover continues

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Speaker 2: To begin with.

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Speaker 1: It's not a concern for the resident Cincinnati. Why should

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Speaker 3: Then one might ask, well, and that's that's the hard

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Speaker 3: And it's extremely frustrating when you have officers that are

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Speaker 2: Only to be let out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm quite honestly, I am surprised that

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Speaker 1: Ken Cober, president of the Quincity Lodge FOP, on the

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Speaker 1: it's not the first time he goes. I'm thinking about

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Speaker 3: You would think you would think the elected leaders would

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Speaker 3: But then again, you continue to get re elected. So apparently,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: We have to look at you know, we're locking people

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Speaker 1: I would think at that case, if you didn't learn

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Speaker 1: a second chance. I think that's fair. I think most

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Speaker 1: that seems about right. If you're going to be a

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Speaker 2: A judge, I'm sorry when you break it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there should be a third chance.

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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree, I absolutely agree with you. And

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Speaker 3: unfortunately that is not the ideology of many of these

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Speaker 3: a direct correlation between a bloody summer and you know,

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Speaker 3: and they vote them. So it's clearly this is what

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Speaker 1: I meant, how much longer do you have to investigate

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Speaker 2: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: Trying blame in the chief of police for crime is

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Speaker 3: You know, there's only so many things a police chief

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Speaker 3: We're one hundred and forty and fifty officers short camp everywhere.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, you know, at some point there's

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Speaker 3: going to find a way to resolve our differences instead

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Speaker 2: We're upset with somebody.

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Speaker 3: And until that changes, you know, we're we're going to

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Speaker 3: Until those things change and it's actually publicized. Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 3: And until that changes, until that mindset changes of look,

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Speaker 1: Well, relative to the Chief Biji investigation, that she's still

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely correct, you know, it's doing a disservice to him.

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Speaker 1: It's also not unlike the uh you know what happened

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Speaker 2: It's just simply evaporated, like we're waiting for, you know,

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Speaker 1: It came out from the prosecutor off I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: It's just still like simply I've never seen a case

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Speaker 1: But I think the THEIJI case in this are remarkably

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Speaker 3: Well sure, you know, they put they put the cart

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ironically enough, Chief kind of put together a

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Speaker 1: Wad a shooting on Valentine's Day and a party bus,

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Speaker 1: City Lodge FOP, thanks again for jumping on this morning.

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