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Speaker 3: hour number two this afternoon, as well as in our

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Speaker 3: number two from Fox nineteen. We'll talk to our good

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Speaker 3: friend Joe Daniman. He'll join us at one o'clock. In

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Speaker 3: the third hour. The two o'clock hour, we have some

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Speaker 3: Scott Saderfield audio Scott Saderfield and in the next couple

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Speaker 3: minutes we'll speak in Clifton about their upcoming matchup. Big

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Speaker 3: noon kickoff happening Saturday afternoon. That will tie over to

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, an eight pm start for the Bearcats against

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Speaker 3: the BYU Cougar's. You'll hear from head coach Scott Saderfield.

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Speaker 3: We've got some audio that we've picked out from what

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor had to say in his Monday afternoon press

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Speaker 3: conference yesterday. We'll talk all things Bengals. We'll talk from

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, We'll talk some Cam Taylor Britt, perhaps from

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Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton, and of course we will talk more Jamar

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Speaker 3: Chase as well. I think it's come to a point

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Speaker 3: where we at least have to have a discussion about

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Speaker 3: what's going on with Hunter Green. And when I say

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Speaker 3: what's going on with Hunter Green, I mean the I

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Speaker 3: would say whispers, the rumblings that there are some within

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Speaker 3: the organization that may be unhappy with Hunter Green. That

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Speaker 3: was the topic of conversation on a very recent article

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Speaker 3: with the Cincinnati Reds On Sports Illustrated, Greg Kufner wrote

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Speaker 3: an article some member of the Reds organization may be

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Speaker 3: unhappy with Hunter Green, goes on to talk about Hunter

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Speaker 3: Green trade Rumors continue to swirl. Would the Reds trade him?

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Speaker 3: We'll discuss that at some point this afternoon. Also tonight,

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Speaker 3: college basketball slate is a good one. Xavier is going

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Speaker 3: to play host to Old Dominion at the Centas Center.

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Speaker 2: Louisville.

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Speaker 3: U See's opponent on Friday night is up to number

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Speaker 3: six in the college basketball rankings, and we have a

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Speaker 3: pair of top twenty five matchups tonight. Duke takes on

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Speaker 3: Kansas and the twelfth rank Kentucky Wildcats take on Tom

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Speaker 3: Izzo's Michigan State Spartans. We will talk all things college

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Speaker 3: basketball as well. Let's get you up to speak with

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Speaker 3: everything else going on in the sports world, and we'll

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Speaker 3: take your phone calls along the way. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Monday Night Football. Last night, Austin, Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 3: It was an impressive one for the Dallas Cowboys. Is

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Speaker 3: there a correlation that Logan Wilson comes to the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden that defense looked okay?

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Speaker 4: I don't know that Logan Wilson is the correlation, but

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Speaker 4: Quinn Williams looked pretty damn good.

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Speaker 2: Williams wasn't bad.

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Speaker 4: The Raiders also continue to have struggles with their offensive line,

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Speaker 4: and I saw a little bit of that last night

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Speaker 4: as well. Dak Prescott looked good last night. Dak Prescott

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Speaker 4: looked George Pickens looked good last night. Now, George Pickens

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Speaker 4: and Ceedee Lamb both didn't participate in this opening drive

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Speaker 4: for the Cowboys, and what appeared to be a coach's

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Speaker 4: decision slash disciplinary something. Brian Schottenheimer was then pretty buddy

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Speaker 4: buddy with him on the sideline after that. So not

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Speaker 4: sure what to make of that. But the Cowboys, you know,

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Speaker 4: they look better, and they have a big game coming

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Speaker 4: up against Philadelphia team They're able to beat Philadelphia and

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Speaker 4: then right back in it. You know, I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's crazy to think that with a marginally better defense,

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys could make some noise.

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Speaker 5: In the NF.

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Speaker 3: They added Quinn Williams, they added Logan Wilson. They also

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Speaker 3: the George Pickens move makes a lot more. George Pickens

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Speaker 3: is playing extremely well. That seems to be a good

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Speaker 3: fit alongside Ceed Lamb, Jake Ferguson. That's a good offense.

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Speaker 3: That is a good offense in Dallas. They round off

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Speaker 3: the uh what is it? Week eleven of the NFL

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Speaker 3: the Raiders, expected a little more from Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 4: Especially when you consider Week one they beat the New

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Speaker 4: England Patriots in New England. Yeah, kind of hard to believe.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 3: How about this speaking hard to believe? We keep having

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Speaker 3: these NFL plays is getting their homes broken into.

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Speaker 2: What's up with this?

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Speaker 6: It's the same.

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Speaker 3: Situation we've been dealing with for a long time. Shaud

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Speaker 3: Door Sanders had his home broken into during his NFL debut.

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Speaker 3: In the last year or so, burglaries have taken place

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Speaker 3: at the homes of Luka Doncik, Joe Burrow, Pat Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 2: We'd be better with this, isn't there.

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Speaker 4: I want to say there was another NBA guy too,

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Speaker 4: maybe a couple of NBA guys. It's just the unfortunate

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Speaker 4: reality of the world in which we live. When people

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Speaker 4: know where you're gonna be and you're gonna be away,

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Speaker 4: and if you do anything to make your address or

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Speaker 4: your whereabouts known, yeah, you become a target for some

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Speaker 3: True, there is a new coach in place in college football,

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Speaker 3: James Franklin has agreed to become the new head coach

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Speaker 3: of the Virginia Tech Hokies.

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Speaker 4: You can't lose any big games if you don't play

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Speaker 4: in any big games.

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Speaker 3: Moiger asked me yesterday when we talked about this news

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Speaker 3: come together and rejoice when he loses games at Virginia

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Speaker 3: Tech like the sports world did when he lost games

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Speaker 3: at Penn State.

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Speaker 4: No, because Virginia Tech is irrelevant. Penn State was relevant

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Speaker 4: because of the years of Joe Paterno, and then they

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Speaker 4: became a punching bag, and deservedly so for the Paterno

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Speaker 4: and Jerry Sandusky situation where people rooted against them and

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Speaker 4: wanted that program to fail. And so when they rose

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Speaker 4: back to national prominence, and there was always this this

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Speaker 4: arrogance about Penn State that I perceived that they thought

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Speaker 4: they were a little bit bigger and better and more

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Speaker 4: important than they really were. Sure, and so teams would

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Speaker 4: revel in the losses of Penn State, and yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a beautiful day. I think James Franklin's a

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Speaker 4: good guy. I just never really rooted.

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Speaker 2: For him to win.

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Speaker 4: Sure, And I think a lot of people feel that

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Speaker 4: way about Penn State because of their past crimes. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: how about And I hope that's how people feel. And

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Speaker 4: I know that's how people feel about Ohio State. People

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Speaker 4: think they're arrogant, root against them, want them to lose.

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Speaker 4: Bama is that same way, Michigan is that same way.

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Speaker 4: It's that's you know, one of the foundational pieces of

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Speaker 4: college football is hate watching against other people.

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Speaker 2: It is it is. How about this?

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the college football coaching carousel, Old Miss has

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Speaker 3: handed Lane Kiffen an ultimatum. Oh boy, Now he is

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Speaker 3: a rumored candidate of LSU and Florida openings, and so

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Speaker 3: Old Miss came back and said, here you go, buddy,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to decide on your future by November

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Speaker 3: twenty eighth for the Egg Bowl. Do you do you

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Speaker 3: agree with this from Old Miss? Because here's a team

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Speaker 3: college football playoff race, They're trying to play for a

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Speaker 3: national title, and yet Lane Kiffin is openly being courted

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Speaker 3: by touple schools right now. Do you agree with Old

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Speaker 3: Miss coming in and saying, hey, We're gonna give you

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Speaker 3: an ultimatum here, you gotta let us know by this date.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the best seasons in ole

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Speaker 4: Miss football. Lane Kiffin is one of the highest paid

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Speaker 4: coaches in college football. He's obviously done a lot of

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Speaker 4: good things here, and it's embarrassing for them, insulting for them,

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Speaker 4: insulting for the players on the team to have Lane

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Speaker 4: Kiffin gallivanting around to other SEC schools in the midst

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Speaker 4: of a season in which you're expected to go to

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Speaker 4: the college football Playoff and compete for a national championship.

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Speaker 4: Old Miss has treated Lane Kiffin really well, treated his

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Speaker 4: family really well, paid him handsomely. So they have the

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Speaker 4: right to say, hey, man, you have a month to

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Speaker 4: figure this out, because we got to get a jump

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Speaker 4: start on what we're gonna do if you decide to leave,

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Speaker 4: and we're not going to be dealing with this mess

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Speaker 4: in the postseason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's kind of similar to we're right

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Speaker 4: around the time where the portal opens up, right, yes,

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Speaker 4: so makes other players have to make that decision, and

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Speaker 4: other players have already entered the portal, So it's kind

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Speaker 4: of aligning with that. It's like Okay, we need to

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Speaker 4: figure out what our coach is going to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a local wise, hope, I hope he doesn't leave. I too,

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Speaker 4: it'll be good for college football to have him stay.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be obviously, like it's entertaining if

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Speaker 4: he goes somewhere else. But I've been enamored by his

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Speaker 4: role in the success of Old Miss. I think he's

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Speaker 4: a fascinating end. It's also very open. He's brought a

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Speaker 4: level of relevance to Old Miss that maybe they haven't

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Speaker 4: had in a while. I think it would be fun

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Speaker 4: if he was the head coach of the New York Giants,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think that's going to happen. But I

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Speaker 4: think it's totally fair for Old Miss to say, hey man,

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Speaker 4: figure it out.

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Speaker 3: A couple other injury notes, Justice Haynes, the running back

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Speaker 3: for Michigan, is likely out for the rest of the

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Speaker 3: regular season, which means that at Cincinnati and Mohler product

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Speaker 3: Jordan Marshall is in the top running back slot now.

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Speaker 3: He moved into that role, but left Saturday's game against

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Speaker 3: Northwestern with the shoulder injury. The X rayce came back clean,

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Speaker 3: so he's day to day, but that would mean that

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Speaker 3: Mohler's Jordan Marshall would now be the lead back for

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Speaker 3: the Michigan Wolverines. And speaking of injury news, Tom Pella

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Speaker 3: Sero reporting earlier today that Aaron Rodgers has underwent further

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Speaker 3: test that confirmed he won't need surgery on his fractured

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Speaker 3: left wrist. Rogers is pushing to play Sunday at Chicago,

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Speaker 3: but doctors must clear him and the status is still

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Speaker 3: to be determined.

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Speaker 4: I like Aaron Rodgers. I like the rivalry that he

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Speaker 4: for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I would like to see

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Speaker 4: him play Chicago in Chicago, maybe the last time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would be interested to see that. I hope that

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Speaker 4: he is able to play, and also I don't know

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Speaker 4: that he gives them the best chance to win, So

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Speaker 4: this part, I don't know. It might actually be, you know,

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Speaker 4: both those things being a positive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you mentioned high school football, you mentioned Mohler.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen this grassroots campaign continuing to garner strength

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Speaker 4: led by one of our own rocky boymen. Yeah, try

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Speaker 4: to get this game between Seinex and Elder to be

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Speaker 4: played at pay Corp Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Oh HSAA, figure it out. That's not a bright organization.

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Speaker 3: Listen, and what we're learning as well, like the tickets

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Speaker 3: The Major League Baseball Hall of Fame ballot was released yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Any of these names do anything for you, Howie Kendrick,

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Speaker 8: Zack, if you had conversations with Jamar about what happened.

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I've always been impressed with how

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Speaker 3: Zach knows what's happening. I just don't think Zach can

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Speaker 4: I don't know that he's ever going to get that answer.

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this too, because you know, well

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Speaker 6: So I can't say a lot more about it.

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Speaker 9: We've we've talked about it, We talked about it industry,

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Speaker 9: some critical moments.

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Speaker 2: And said, you know, you don't anticipate any personality tackling.

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Speaker 2: Why why why is that.

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Speaker 6: Not an answer? Well, tackling is not the only thing

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Speaker 6: we have to factor in.

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Speaker 9: We have to factor in knowledge of the defense and

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Speaker 9: ability to get lined up and play coverages and respond

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Speaker 9: to the run game.

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Speaker 6: And so there's more than just tackling.

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Speaker 9: It's frustrating when tackling is an issue, but there's a

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Speaker 9: lot more that goes into whether player players not. We

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Speaker 9: factor in everything, and we talk about these things every

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Speaker 9: week on whether we want to make a personal.

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Speaker 6: Decision or not.

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Speaker 9: But there's just more that's got a factor into it

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Speaker 9: than one element of his game. And there are times,

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Speaker 9: I'm sure there's been times where there's been one element

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Speaker 9: that's been a deciding factor on whether guys players or not.

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Speaker 9: But I think in some of these cases that you're

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Speaker 9: probably bringing up, there's more to it that plays into it,

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Speaker 9: and we have to make a sound decision. We're not

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Speaker 9: afraid to make a decision if we think that there's

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Speaker 9: a better way to approach it. If we don't know

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Speaker 9: that there's a better way to necessarily approach something, then

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Speaker 9: we'll keep trying to fix the ones with the guys

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Speaker 9: we got when it comes to all.

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Speaker 3: Right, so very I think this is Zach going in

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Speaker 3: a little more detail. He was asked after the game

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Speaker 3: about personnel changes. He shot it down immediately. This is

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Speaker 3: just peeling back the curtain a little bit into It's

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Speaker 3: more than just can we substitute a guy in that

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Speaker 3: can tackle better? It's do they fit in the system?

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Speaker 3: Do they know their responsibility to the other calls their checks?

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Speaker 3: Are they getting everyone else lined up? Are they lined

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Speaker 3: up correctly? There's a lot that goes into it, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of tackling is effort, but the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, that means the effort hasn't been good enough.

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Speaker 3: Because the tackling hasn't been good enough, this is a

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Speaker 3: terrible tackling team at this point. Are we passed the

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Speaker 3: whole Well, it's more than that. Are we ready to

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Speaker 3: start seeing other guys get opportunities for this defense?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think this could be the point in which it changes,

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Speaker 4: because now the season is over, Like there really is

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Speaker 4: no path unless you went out and get a lot

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Speaker 4: of help, and nobody expects that to happen. But basically,

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Speaker 4: to me, that translation was PJ. Jewles and Tyson Anderson

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Speaker 4: and those guys they don't know the playbook well enough.

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Speaker 4: They don't know where to get lined up. We don't

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Speaker 4: have faith in their ability to understand the defense. So

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Speaker 4: we aren't playing them, and so now number one, that's

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Speaker 4: an indictment on them. That's how I perceived that message.

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Speaker 4: And number two, now that we've reached the point where

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Speaker 4: the season is basically over, are you willing to take

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Speaker 4: more chances with those guys? And I also appreciated that

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Speaker 4: he acknowledged it looks bad, the effort looks bad, and

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Speaker 4: there's only so much we can do about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only so many players on the roster. There's

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Speaker 3: only so many guys you can get in there. Lastly,

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Speaker 3: on the the criticism around what's going on with this team.

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Speaker 4: Zach, do you get a sense of the frustration around

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Speaker 4: the city from fans kind of as the season kind

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Speaker 4: of goes the way it does in the last couple

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Speaker 4: of years, how they've went, you get a sense of

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Speaker 4: kind of frustration that that kind of.

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Speaker 9: I'm not oblivious. I have to isolate myself. I have

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Speaker 9: to that's the only way I can function. And I

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Speaker 9: think that's understandable. But you also, again, it's no one

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Speaker 9: puts more pressure on us than I do on myself

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Speaker 9: to get it right.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 9: I'm not oblivious to frustration. And I know what our

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Speaker 9: record is and so that would have lead to that,

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Speaker 9: And I don't blame anybody for feeling that way. It's

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Speaker 9: it's our job as a as an NFL team to

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Speaker 9: go find wins and create energy and joy in this

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Speaker 9: fan base and our organization, in our locker room, coaching staff.

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Speaker 6: Winning.

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Speaker 9: Winning helps everybody do their job the next day, the

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Speaker 9: next week, and I want nothing more than that. And

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Speaker 9: I know if we can string together some wins, we'll

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Speaker 9: start to build build, build some some optimism. But but

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Speaker 9: first we've got to show a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing that. So until we do that, I understand

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Speaker 6: how difficult it is, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, I just that to me is important because it's

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Speaker 3: at least a coach now that's looking this square in

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Speaker 3: the eye of Yeah. I understand what's going on. I

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Speaker 3: understand the voices that are out there. I understand the

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Speaker 3: angst among fans, and yes, we have to win games.

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Speaker 3: I think there's an emphasis on that now. It does

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Speaker 3: put more pressure on to win, but at least he's

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Speaker 3: not up there acting completely blind to the fact of

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Speaker 3: the criticism that is now surrounding this organization.

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Speaker 4: I have to isolate myself. That's the only way I

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Speaker 4: can function This to me goes back to the first

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Speaker 4: answer and the first question about how we don't hear

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Speaker 4: from anyone else.

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Speaker 2: We don't hear from Duke Tobin. Now I can.

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Speaker 4: I've watched enough of Zach Taylor and seen him and

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Speaker 4: been around him and heard enough to feel pretty confident

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Speaker 4: in the character and the person that is Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 4: I believe he's a good man. I think he's a

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Speaker 4: good leader. I think he's a good football coach. I've

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Speaker 4: said that many times, and I believe more than anything,

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Speaker 4: he's a stand up, high character individual. When I see

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Speaker 4: that guys like Duke Tobin don't speak, that then leads

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Speaker 4: me to question their character. I don't know anything about

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Speaker 4: Duke Tobin, don't know anything about I'd literally know nothing

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Speaker 4: about that guy other than who his father is and

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Speaker 4: what his job has been over the last twenty years.

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Speaker 4: And if it were me in that situation, if I

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Speaker 4: were in the shoes of Duke Tobin, and this guy

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Speaker 4: that I work with every single day has to answer

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Speaker 4: for my transgressions and is having to isolate himself and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure in ways his family so that he can function.

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Speaker 4: And I don't do anything to put myself out there

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Speaker 4: to say hey, here, I'll talk, I'll explain, here's my

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Speaker 4: side of things, here's what we're going through as an organization.

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Speaker 4: That to me is a reflection of poor character. I

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Speaker 4: don't know him. I don't know what his character's like,

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Speaker 4: know nothing about Duke Tobin. He's done nothing to really

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Speaker 4: prove to me that he is this real good stand

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Speaker 4: up guy. But to me, that's like an example of

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Speaker 4: being a bad teammate. Duke Tobin not not willing to

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Speaker 4: raise his hand and say, hey, let me answer some

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Speaker 4: of these tough I'm responsible for this as well. And

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Speaker 4: you know that just the more I think about it,

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Speaker 4: the more it doesn't sit right with me. And maybe

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Speaker 4: my opinion would be different if I heard from Duke frequently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, especially when things go as poorly as

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Speaker 2: they have.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you could could be listening to this

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Speaker 4: and saying, well, you should hold the owners to the

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Speaker 4: same standard, and to an extent I do. However, I

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Speaker 4: will say there's not a lot of owners across the

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Speaker 4: NFL to talk. That's not that common. But players, player

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Speaker 4: personnel directors, gms, those people are talking very frequently.

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Speaker 3: Especially on a bye week, especially when things are going

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Speaker 3: the way in which it has. Someone has to stand

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Speaker 3: up there and help Zach Taylor. It's hard because I

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Speaker 3: listened that and I genuinely do think Zach Taylor is

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Speaker 3: a great person, and I think Zach Taylor has done

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Speaker 3: good things here. I don't allow that to change the

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Speaker 3: fact that I don't think he should be the head

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Speaker 3: coach after this season.

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's fair, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Almost like he's he's doing this with one hand tied

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Speaker 3: behind his back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the hard part.

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Speaker 3: That's what I think pulls at you a little bit

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Speaker 3: because it's not a fair situation what he's being asked

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 4: And that's also what makes firing him complicated, because, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you have a patient ownership group, you have an elite quarterback,

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Speaker 4: and you have finances that you're able to spend moving

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Speaker 4: forward when it comes to the cap, the salary cap

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Speaker 4: that make the job attractive. But you are a punching

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Speaker 4: bag for the organization. No one has your back in

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Speaker 4: the media, nobody. Yeah, and you are dealing with a

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Speaker 4: style of business that some would say requires you to

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Speaker 4: have one hand tied behind your back. And so if

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Speaker 4: that's the case, are you ever going to be able

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Speaker 4: to get the best candidate to coach this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the affair, and that's what.

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Speaker 4: Makes a question, that's what makes it difficult about to me,

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Speaker 4: at least, flip flopping on whether Zach should be fired

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Speaker 4: or not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll hear

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Speaker 3: afternoon ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's take some

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Speaker 3: phone calls for the first time this afternoon. Doc is

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Speaker 3: calling in.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Doc?

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Speaker 10: Hey? First of all, Tony, I'm glad you're back, and

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Speaker 10: you might remember me. I first saw you when you

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Speaker 10: were twenty inches long.

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Speaker 2: That might give you a yes, yes, how are you?

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Speaker 10: I'm some fine getting holds hell, but it's still there.

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Speaker 10: I'll hear you two questions with quarterbacks quickly and your

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Speaker 10: and your opinion.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 10: First one is Joe Burrow rumors which keep you know,

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Speaker 10: which are not probably real, But if you got four

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Speaker 10: or five first round draft choices for him, would you

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Speaker 10: take it? And the second one is Brandon Soresby. The

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Speaker 10: sites on Chad's website and stuff, a lot of people

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Speaker 10: think they need to hold on to him at all costs,

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Speaker 10: and uh break the bank for him. And I think

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Speaker 10: they're a fair number of coquarterbacks. I'd like to keep him,

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Speaker 10: but I think there are current number of quarterbacks out

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Speaker 10: there that there that we could find it would be

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Speaker 10: pretty much equal. And I think we need to spend

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Speaker 10: their money in the defense of secondary in mind receiver rooms.

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Speaker 10: So it's fun to know what your opinions are.

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Speaker 3: Doc, I appreciate it. Thank you, Austin. Oddly enough, that

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Speaker 3: was that's the doctor who delivered me. Pretty cool that

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Speaker 3: first question. No, I would not give up Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: for anything. It is so hard to come across a

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Speaker 3: franchise quarterback in this league. I would not give up

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow for any amount of first round picks. Would

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Speaker 3: you no for Brendan Soarsby. That question's tough because I

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Speaker 3: would have to see how he finishes the year. If

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Speaker 3: he struggles finishing the year, that would be two years

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Speaker 3: in a row where he has struggled down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: But if he picks it back up and finishes the

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Speaker 3: year strong, I would ask the question, who else better

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Speaker 3: could you get? I don't think that is out there,

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Speaker 3: so I would, in my opinion, again, because quarterback makes

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Speaker 3: this go, I would do everything I could to keep

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Speaker 3: renting Sortsman.

655
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: By the way, Soresby talking to the media right now.

656
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 4: He says his ankle is in good shape. He got

657
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: rolled up on against Arizona, but it sounds like he's

658
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: good to go for b Why there we go?

659
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Speaker 2: What's up, Maso?

660
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: What's going on? Boys? How are we doing today?

661
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: You tell me?

662
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, Tony, I just got a text for Mali.

663
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

664
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 5: There's a little protest on the beer pong tournament for

665
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: an elbow infraction. Yeah.

666
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: I figured that would be coming at some point.

667
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't know, you might have to return

668
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: that leg lamp trophy. But speaking of protest. Was there

669
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 5: a protest by the UC student Sunday night or what.

670
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen I've seen a lot of this going around.

671
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what's to blame right now, students are

672
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: in school. To my knowledge, it was one of the

673
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: weakest student sections I've ever seen. I have no problem

674
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: calling that out. Uh, students have to be better. They've

675
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: got to show up to basketball games. I agree.

676
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 5: Okay, that's I was going to ask your stance on that,

677
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: and you can chime in if you want. But yeah,

678
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 5: I'm like, it should never be at least seventy five percent,

679
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 5: you know, it should be always seventy five percent full.

680
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand, especially like experience, in my opinion,

681
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: I get as well, Like if it's Thanksgiving or Christmas

682
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: break and students are just gone, but classes are in

683
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: session right now. It's a Sunday at six o'clock. How

684
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: are more things?

685
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: That's the issue? Sunday at six.

686
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: But it's also like it, But it's also like, enrollment's

687
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: never been higher at the University of Cincinnati. How are

688
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: you not filling that with two hundred students? As crazy

689
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: to No, I get it, I get it. I'm just

690
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: assuming that the games day and time is probably the biggest.

691
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 6: Reason why, right, Yeah.

692
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 5: I saw some different people saying, you know, it's Mount

693
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 5: Saint Mary's.

694
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: Too, and I shouldn't matter care who the opponent is.

695
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it shouldn't matter the opponent. It shouldn't matter. You know.

696
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: Everybody was saying, well, the team has been terrible for

697
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: seven years, haven't been to a you know, NCAA tournament.

698
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. You're only in college for four years.

699
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 5: Live it up. Yeah, go there, enjoy it, Go to

700
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: every sporting event that you can, and stop sitting on

701
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 5: your phones and your dorm rooms.

702
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Go come ont preach, all right?

703
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: Anyway, Also onto the Bengals. I heard something yesterday which

704
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 5: was kind of funny. So if you go to a

705
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: restaurant for thirty some odd years and the food is

706
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 5: absolutely garbage, would you still keep going to that restaurant?

707
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Probably?

708
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 5: Not? Okay, Then why do Bengals fans keep putting up

709
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 5: with this crap? It's stupid, it's it's trash what they

710
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: put out there year in and year out.

711
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

712
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 5: I think that's the analogy is sports is just very

713
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: unique because because your team can duck for years and

714
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 5: years and years. But man, you keep on going, you

715
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 5: keep buying their gear, you keep coming back. But if

716
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: you go to a restaurant and you're and you get

717
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 5: a bad play of food, you're probably not even going

718
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 5: back to a second time. Sure, it's just it kind

719
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 5: of struck. It was a funny analogy I heard on

720
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 5: Dan Patrick in this was like, yeah, that's yeah, that's

721
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: kind of an interesting one. So why, yeah, why do

722
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 5: we put ourselves through this misery? Because I'm at the

723
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: point where I'm not even mad anymore. Like I don't

724
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 5: get mad when they win or lose, or when they lose.

725
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 5: I'm at apathy. I'm apathetic, like I don't even care.

726
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that's the dangerous point, Maso, thank you,

727
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: brother yep By. That's the dangerous part is when people

728
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: stop caring. I would say to that analogy, there are

729
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 3: a lot of other restaurant options. There are a lot

730
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: of other choices that you could go to to eat.

731
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: There's not as many sporting teams locally that you can

732
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: pull for, and there's just something about sports that does

733
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: drag you in. And for this organization, they teased you.

734
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: You know, they went to the super Bowl, they went

735
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: to back to back AFC title games, and now you

736
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: have that taste. And I would equate it to the

737
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: opp I said Austin. I would equate it to going

738
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: somewhere and you get a taste of something really good

739
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: and then you keep trying to chase that to find

740
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: that high again. And I feel like that's what fans

741
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: are doing constantly with their sporting teams.

742
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: I get the restaurant analogy, and it does make sense.

743
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: But you know, May says right, if you don't like

744
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: a place, you can stop going. And the NFL is

745
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 4: no different. If you don't want to be a fan

746
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: of a team anymore, no one's forcing you to be

747
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: a fan of a team, which is why I think

748
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: the analogy of marriage fits better, because you've made a

749
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: commitment at some point in your life.

750
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: This is my team.

751
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: This is who I'm gonna root for, This is who

752
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a fan of, This is who I'm

753
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: going to live and die with. And there are times

754
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: where they're gonna make you mad, but you committed to them, right, Yeah,

755
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: there are times when you're gonna sleep on the couch,

756
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: but you committed to them, you know, And I think

757
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: that is the more apt comparison, but there's also an

758
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: out there too, and so if you choose to do that,

759
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: you're allowed to do that. And plenty of fans over

760
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: the the course of time have done that.

761
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I can? I just I got a text

762
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: from a good buddy of mind, and he makes a

763
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: good point, because can we just in a in a

764
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 3: nutshell think about what Maso's call was just about. Did

765
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: he criticize fans for not going to UC games and

766
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: then push back on fans for supporting the Bengals? Correct,

767
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: So we're just going on a circle, which come on

768
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: which organization you see basketball.

769
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: Which hasn't been to a tournament in seven years.

770
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 4: Or Cincinnati Bengals football over the last twenty five years

771
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: has been better? Well, I mean take over the last

772
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: seven years. I didn't ask that part of the question.

773
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: I asked twenty five twenty five, which has been probably

774
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: still the Bengals. Okay, but I think I mean that

775
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: is I gotta call my guy masa out.

776
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's shaken with your right and holding

777
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: a rocket.

778
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the same thing you want to Well,

779
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: fans need to show up. And now it's coming from

780
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: a I know it comes from a point in love

781
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: with Maso because I believe Austin in Maso's time at

782
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: I won't share his college.

783
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: I believe he was years in college.

784
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: I was.

785
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: I believe he was banned from going to certain sporting

786
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: events in college because not surprise, he's a little bit

787
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 3: over the top.

788
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: Maybe there's too many Maso's that you see. Maybe, I mean,

789
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different to have Maso's

790
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: back here. I think it's a little bit different if

791
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: you're a college student. Yeah, enjoy that experience. That's a

792
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 4: little bit.

793
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't criticizing fans. He said to students.

794
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for especially so many of them live on campus.

795
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: It's an easy trip, correct, So that I think, and

796
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: it's cheaper, you know, so that you know, in Maso's point,

797
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: I have his back.

798
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: Around it on that well taken. Uh, we'll take a break,

799
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: we'll come back. We'll try to wrap up the hour

800
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: with a call or two before we get to Joe

801
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: Daniman and boy do we have a lot to talk

802
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: about with Joe All coming up next to ESPN fifteen

803
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station Thanks to Skyline Chile, sure.

804
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: Welcome back.

805
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: Since he three sixty, we are rolling along. It's our

806
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: number one. Joe Daniman is going to join us in

807
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: just a few minutes. We've got a ton to get

808
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: to as it relates to the Cincinnati Bengals. Before we

809
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: get to that, we'll try to wrap up these phone

810
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: calls here in our number one. Coop is calling in.

811
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Speaker 3: What's up, Coop?

812
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 6: Hi? You buddy good?

813
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: How are you pretty good?

814
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 6: Uh?

815
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: Pimp?

816
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: How are we living so?

817
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: Coop?

818
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 6: All right?

819
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 10: Hey?

820
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 5: An interesting.

821
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 11: Connection here is during the Payton era.

822
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: I was in Indianapolis and.

823
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Bill Pollian was the GM.

824
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 11: Bill Pollian was out front and center on everything.

825
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 5: They had a weekly calling show.

826
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Speaker 11: Bill Pollian would take calls from local fans calling in.

827
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 11: He ran interference for everything. He wanted the coaches to coach,

828
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 11: and he would control everything else.

829
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

830
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 11: Now maybe was a little over the top. Now the

831
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 11: coaches would get up and give a weekly press conference,

832
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 11: but he was out front and center. He was answering

833
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 11: all the questions for the organization, not the head coach. Coaches, coach,

834
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 11: the GM handles everything else.

835
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Speaker 5: Did it seemed to work?

836
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 6: It worked?

837
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: Well?

838
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Coop, that's a great point. We appreciate the phone call.

839
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: Look, I don't even think we're I'm not even asking

840
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: for that, obviously, Bill Pollian, on a weekly basis getting

841
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: up there and taking phone calls from listeners from Austin,

842
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: that would be like Duke Tobin coming on this show

843
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: once a week and taking calls he should He's welcome to.

844
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: He's more than welcome to. I'm not even asking for

845
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 3: that extent. But on a bye week, when your team

846
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: is spiraling in the wrong direction, you need to stand

847
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 3: up there and take some ownership. As you said, it's

848
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: supposed to be a team. Everyone's supposed to have each

849
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 3: other's backs. Duke Tobin last week essentially sat back Austin

850
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: and watched and listened to Zach Taylor have to answer

851
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: for all of his mistakes and didn't think too say,

852
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: you know what, I gotta put this to bed. I

853
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: got to go talk that to me. And as you

854
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, that to me is a little bit of

855
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: a character issue. That should not be the case. Something

856
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: should eat away at you so much to say, and

857
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: I'm done letting this guy take the fall for me.

858
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: I'm done listening to him had to answer for my

859
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: mistakes and to the time, yet that's not been the case. John,

860
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: last call here to wrap it up.

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Speaker 12: What's up John, Good afternoon, fellas. I think this all

862
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 12: leads back to something you touched on yesterday, the lack

863
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 12: of sense of urgency in the organization.

864
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: I mean, your owner's.

865
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Speaker 5: Ninety one years old.

866
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Speaker 12: If I make it to ninety one years old, I'm

867
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 12: only buying green bananas.

868
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 5: I'm not buying green bananas.

869
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 12: Actually I'm buying yellow bananas or maybe brown bananas, because

870
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 12: who knows how long it's gonna last. But you just

871
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 12: look at Duke Tobin and can you believe this? Of

872
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 12: one hundred and twenty four professional sports franchises in North America,

873
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 12: he's the second longest tenured executive. The only one that's

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Speaker 12: been in their job longer is Brian Cashman with the

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Speaker 12: New York Yankees. Right two World Series with Brian Cashman.

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Speaker 12: There so lack of urgency white throughout the entire organization,

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Speaker 12: So it permeates down to the coaches, the players. It's

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Speaker 12: kind of more of a country club atmosphere that there's

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Speaker 12: going to be no repercussions. The other thing too, I

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Speaker 12: think one of the callers touched on this yesterday, you know,

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Speaker 12: for ten fifteen years ago, they were a bad boy Bengals, right,

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Speaker 12: Chris Henry pac Man, Jones, Bontest Burfect. Has the organization

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Speaker 12: done a one eighty and just wants to draft high

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Speaker 12: character guys like Demetrius Knight.

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Speaker 2: Seems like a great guy.

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Speaker 12: He's already a dad, was working as uber driving a

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Speaker 12: support his family.

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Speaker 2: I want that guy to be my son in law.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if I wanted to be.

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Speaker 5: My football player.

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Speaker 13: So you know, they've done like a flip of like

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Speaker 13: no more questionable car because we want just nice guys

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Speaker 13: and they may not be really good football players. So

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Speaker 13: a lot of that is from thirty thousand feet away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's a point that John, thank you for

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Speaker 3: the call. As always, there was a point Austin where

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Speaker 3: it felt like it shifted to where they were wanting

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Speaker 3: high character guys and captains right of successful teams. And again,

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Speaker 3: that's good to have on your team. Sometimes that doesn't

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Speaker 3: equate to the best football player, and I think you

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Speaker 3: have to find a balance between the two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think they did that for a couple of years

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Speaker 4: and built what they thought was a good culture and

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Speaker 4: then deviated from that a little bit with some picks,

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Speaker 4: but the culture was so strong that you thought you

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Speaker 4: could deviate from that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's my point.

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Speaker 4: Zach Jackson Carmen was one of those selections that you

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Speaker 4: started to deviate. Jermaine Burton has been one of those

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Speaker 4: selections that you start to deviate, and those picks haven't

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Speaker 4: worked out. Now some of the high character picks haven't

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Speaker 4: worked out either. It's not an exact science, but there's

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Speaker 4: been a little bit of both in recent years, and

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Speaker 4: it makes me wonder if they'll go back towards that

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Speaker 4: type of process when drafting some.

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Speaker 3: It takes a little tinkering and you've got to figure

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Speaker 3: you've got to figure out the most successful way, because

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Speaker 3: it hasn't been what's happening as of late. Joe Danaman

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