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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, some says it is who it is Friday?

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Speaker 1: Can you shoot an ice agent? Hmmm, let's find out.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. Everybody appreciate you tuning in the fifty five

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Speaker 1: KR Morning Show. My name is Brian Thomas. I am

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Speaker 1: this is my twentieth year. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: coming to the Vibe Casey Morning Show where I asked

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Speaker 1: Friday with Dave had her Highlawmaker's Crackdown on AI deep fakes.

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Speaker 1: Dave had her at six thirty Every Friday, It's appointment

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my mom the other day

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Speaker 1: And topic number three and these hackers targeting our infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Former mayoral candidate Corey Bowman still a pastor and still

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Speaker 1: oh five. What's going on in the city. What's going

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Speaker 1: with Corey Diana Tella's Turning Port USA chapter coming to

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati first meeting on January twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: We get the details from Diana eight oh five, and

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Speaker 1: then finally in in the program with Jack Winsor, editor

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Speaker 1: The Windsor Report. You can find them online where you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. What's Worse Fraud in California, Minnesota or Ohio. Jay,

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Speaker 1: interview with the vegu Ramaswami question, well are you prepared

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Speaker 1: for Snowmageddon? Laughed my off yesterday. Thank you Andrew Pappas,

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Speaker 1: former Anderson townup trustee for your comical post. Apparently he

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Speaker 7: Hey, good morning. I'm just I'm pretty sure I'm wanna

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Speaker 8: Happy Friday, Happy Friday to you too. So I got

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Speaker 1: in Oak Park, Illinois, illegal to own a handgun in

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Speaker 1: ill Oak Park, Illinois? Who owned one? Anyway me? I

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Speaker 1: It's quite a delicate article that I got to do

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Speaker 1: with here in the status too. But ohiowoman sentenced the

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Speaker 1: bestiality and children. Sean and Mayfield and her husband Justin Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: according to reporting from WFMJ, charged with rape, sexual conduct

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Speaker 1: Tier three sex offender. According to a newsletter date of

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Speaker 1: January eighth, Trumbull County Prosecutor's Office said Shawn and Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, had pleaded guilty in the child

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Speaker 1: rape and pornography beastiality case. Go back to June twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three investigation involving Warren police acting on a child

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Speaker 1: porn cyber tip given by the Cuyahoga Task Force. Two

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Speaker 1: minor victims age three and seven involved in the sex

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Speaker 1: a dog. Joe, you better cue up the award here.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine someone more worthy of our award.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 1: Police also found an illegal marijuana grow operation on the

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Speaker 1: premises Wildman, state of the assistant prosecutor Wildman. The state

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Speaker 1: of the defendant has given a proper testimony against the

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Speaker 1: co defendant the case, her husband justin Mayfield. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be cooperating with a prosecutor testify against him, who

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Speaker 1: is facing similar charges double Winter. This morning, Fishers also

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Speaker 1: satator sentencing. She'd be declared a Tier three sex offenders.

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Speaker 1: I meant so if she's released from prison after this

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Speaker 1: life sentence, good luck on that woman. Husband pleaded guilty

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Speaker 1: to rape and one kind of dissemination of obscene material

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Speaker 1: to minors sentence forty years of life, also must register

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Speaker 1: as a sex offender. During sentencing, Judge Cynthia Westcott Rice

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Speaker 1: quote I find that the victims have suffered serious psychological

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Speaker 1: harm at your hands. You used your relationship with the

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Speaker 1: victims to facilitate this offense, Prosecutor's office said. Wildman had

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Speaker 1: said said this case was one of the most egregious

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Speaker 1: statements from others and text messages where the couple allegedly

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Speaker 1: both did about abusing their children. Let them have it,

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Speaker 1: Joe Jack.

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Speaker 10: Perios, the biggest douche of the universe, in all the galaxy.

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Speaker 10: There's no bigger douche than you. You've reached the top,

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Speaker 10: the pinnacle of doucee. Good going due. Your dreams have

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Speaker 1: Seventy five year old Rockland County, New York bands arrested

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Speaker 1: after allegedly making inappropriate sexual contact with a SPA worker.

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Speaker 1: What seventy five years old officers shut up at about

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Speaker 1: ten till noon on Sunday, January eighteenth of the SPA

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Speaker 1: in Parkridge report of a man who made inappropriate sexual

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Speaker 1: contact with the female victim courd to the Parkridge Police.

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Speaker 1: Victim report of the man asked what services were offered,

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Speaker 1: whether the SPA worker could be fully nude while making

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Speaker 1: Witnesses provided New York license plate number, description of the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: which is broadcast as surrounding jurisdictions about twenty minutes till

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Speaker 1: one officer Carlos Alicia located the vehicle going northbound. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter what road, does it? Kinder karmak if you're keeping tracked.

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Speaker 1: Ryber identified as seventy five year old David Newman of Monsey,

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Speaker 1: New York, taken into custody taking the Parkridge Police Department,

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Speaker 1: charged with fourth degree criminal sexual contact. Newman released penning

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Speaker 1: a court appearance scheduled in February. Police emphasize that the

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Speaker 1: Oh it's a he said, she said thing. Do you

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Speaker 1: think he was thinking about a happy ending? Joe, he

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Speaker 1: was in the wrong SPA. Yeah, that was that one

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Speaker 1: down the street. The storefront that looks kind of dilapidated

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Speaker 1: and run down. That's where he thought he was. Five

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to New Hampshire Gary earlier. It's great you

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Speaker 1: can let people know about the show and that would

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Speaker 1: be outstanding. And thank you everyone out there who streams

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Speaker 1: going back to my my corporate meeting yesterday, just awesome.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for that anyway, Love each

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Speaker 1: and every one of you. Back over to the stack

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Speaker 1: of stupid. Oh Joe told me about that weather report

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Speaker 1: you're reading. If you don't know that it's going to

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Speaker 1: be snowing this weekend, you're living under a rock. And

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Speaker 1: guess who's going to be going to Kroger after he

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Speaker 1: gets off the work today. Yes, I have been given

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Speaker 1: going to be going to great say she works during

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Speaker 1: the day. So I got to Krogger run. You got

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Speaker 1: to go to joe Is bread and milk on the list?

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Speaker 1: Are bread and milk on the list? Yes, of course

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Speaker 1: they are. Madisonville, Kentucky. Wow, these are the times when

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Speaker 1: I really wish we had visuals here because you'd love

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Speaker 1: the mugshot. Anyway, Madisonville police arrested a man and if

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Speaker 1: they say he was walking down the street completely naked,

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Speaker 1: it is Friday, folks. You knew that was coming, claiming

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Speaker 1: he was covered with spiders and that the devil was

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Speaker 1: talking to him. Drugs are made. Yes, I think that's

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Speaker 1: where we are. Joe Jergger Cord of the Poor two

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Speaker 1: thirty eight. In the afternoon Tuesday, officer called for an

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Speaker 1: seen on South Franklin Street and Cardwell Avenue with no

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Speaker 1: The man, I was identified James Daniels, no relation to Jack,

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Speaker 1: claimed wasn't wearing any clothes and that he was covered

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Speaker 1: with spiders. Daniels also claimed he didn't know where he

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Speaker 1: was because quote the devil had not told him clothes

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Speaker 1: quote Corta Ply. Daniels detained and while in the cruiser,

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Speaker 3: As this tradition.

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Speaker 1: Check out this conclusion. Thank you, Zach McKnight from the

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Speaker 1: article that I'm doing the reporting. The officer suspected Daniels

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Speaker 1: was under the influence of something. Bold statement. He was

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Speaker 1: taken it to the Hopkins County Jail. Hopkins County Jail

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Speaker 1: on charge with public intoxicate, intoxication and indecent exposure. Fair enough,

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Speaker 1: here's a brief one got to Clearfield County Authority say

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Speaker 1: a woman now facing charges that she was reportedly caught

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Speaker 1: aked in public while screaming. January eighth, police called the

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Speaker 1: the servants caused by a woman named Amanda sullen work.

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Speaker 1: She's been accused of threatening the officers repeatedly resisting her

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Speaker 1: ask Authority say home video surveillance shows her screaming and

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Speaker 1: yelling explicit language at passing cars as tradition before the

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Speaker 1: cops showed up again while naked. I charged with several

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Speaker 1: misdemeanors for terroristic threats, indecent exposure, disorderly conduct. Joe's taking

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Speaker 1: a look up on Facebook right now. He's got to

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Speaker 1: ask her to be a friend. Pittsburgh Go to Pittsburgh, PA.

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Speaker 1: Man rescued from a river outside Accuser Stadium after allegedly

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Speaker 1: stealing a harp. Yeah like harpo marks the harp the

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Speaker 1: music that they even make harps anymore anyway, stealing a harp,

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Speaker 1: getting naked, and then jumping into the river. Pittsburgh EMS,

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Speaker 1: River Rescue, Pittsburgh Police, Pittsburgh Your Fire, and the DC

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Speaker 1: Point State Park on Wednesday for reports of this man

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Speaker 1: up at the park with a thirty thousand dollars harp,

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Speaker 1: which they later discovered had been stolen. He then left

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Speaker 1: the harp in the park, disrobed and jumped into the water.

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Speaker 1: Bergency personnel. We're able to rescue the man from the

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Speaker 1: water provide medical care before taking him over to the

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Speaker 1: Mercy Hospital and stable condition. He was able to locate

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Speaker 1: the owner of the harp, which they say was stolen

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Speaker 1: from a residence in the Bethel Park area. Bethel Park

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Speaker 1: Police handling the burglary incident while the DC and our

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Speaker 1: rangers are taking care of the receiving stolen property. It's

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Speaker 1: a big heart, meant, he's huge. I see I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a picture, but I was waiting for that too,

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Speaker 1: Joe Streker stick around six o'clock hour. We got stuff

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Speaker 1: then I hope you know by now appointment listening with

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Speaker 1: Tech Friday's Dave Hatter. That's another one link that you

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Speaker 1: out for our best interests and I appreciate him doing

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Speaker 1: that every week. And the talk station they.

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Speaker 4: Said, snow, I gotta get the run about like that.

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Speaker 1: Right out ahead of me heading over to Kroger. Very

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Speaker 1: happy Friday, Brian Thomas right here, glad to be. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love my Fridays, and I love Fridays even more

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Speaker 1: so because we get tech Friday every Friday at six

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Speaker 1: sound advice. Corey Bowman, former mayor, old candidate in studio

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Speaker 1: seven oh five, Diana tell us a turning point USA

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Speaker 1: chapters coming to the City of Cincinnati. Dinah's gonna tell

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Speaker 1: us all about eighth five mark January twenty eighth down,

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Speaker 1: that's when the first meeting is. And then finally Jack

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Speaker 1: wins Or, editor in chief of the Hoo Press Network

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Speaker 1: and the host of the Windsor Report. Find him on

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Speaker 1: your podcast page, which is Worse Fraud in California, Minnesota

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Speaker 1: close attention to the rampant fraud, waste and abuse in

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Speaker 1: the in the state of Ohio. Did you get your

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Speaker 1: groceries yet? Snow's coming. No, we're not going to get

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Speaker 1: twenty five inches, which is earlier in the week they said.

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Speaker 1: Maybe still looking like maybe six to ten inches accumulation

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Speaker 1: depending upon where you stand. But all the meteorologists pointing out,

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Speaker 1: Why the word alchemy comes to mind and David, thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. Defending the harp from the stack is stupid, Larry,

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Speaker 1: hold on one second. I said, an't even know they

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Speaker 1: of Performing Arts, where I taught for thirty years, is

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Speaker 1: a very active harp program. Rich people sometimes like to

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Speaker 1: hear harp music at rich people functions. You got to

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Speaker 1: chuck a lot of some naked guy stole a harp

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Speaker 1: and then jumped into a river. So that was the

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Speaker 1: genesis of that. If you're just tuning in, I know,

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Speaker 1: Friday and Stack is stupid trying to have some fun.

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Speaker 1: So my response, well, I was kind of joking about

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Speaker 1: the harps of the Again. I don't think you get

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Speaker 1: invited to rich people functions, and if that's what goes

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Speaker 1: on at those events, I would not be inclined to

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Speaker 1: attend them anyway. Larry, thank you for calling the Morning show,

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Speaker 1: and very happy Friday to you, sir.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, thank you about that harp story. Part of

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Speaker 9: that you read, part of that you read sound like

648
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 9: a country song. It said he left the harp and

649
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 9: the park and he jumped in the water.

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Speaker 1: Larry, I'll tell you what here, I am making your

651
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Speaker 1: request of joe'st record. Joe Strecker, go to chat ept

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00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: type that in as the suggested song lyric. Build a

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Speaker 1: song around what Larry just suggested. That's great, Larry, appreciate you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're working with me on the comedy side of a Friday, right, okay?

655
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Speaker 9: And also, how did County Village not how could that

656
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 9: guy nob got charged with he was there, all those

657
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 9: shops were barred. Apparently he was there because they arrested.

658
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Speaker 9: Could you explain to me how something like that could

659
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 9: happen to get off like that. You know what I'm

660
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 9: talking about.

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: She's you know, I really apologize. You're catching me off guard.

662
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: We got all these controversial stories about cases getting dismissed

663
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: or people getting retrials, and it's all become a factual

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00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: blur for me. So that's going to be tough for

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Speaker 1: me to to jump on top of that one competently, Larry.

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Speaker 9: So it was back in June. It happened back in June,

667
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Speaker 9: and he got the charge.

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Speaker 1: It would drop that was the one that was the

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Speaker 1: one that had gone already gone up on appeal and

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00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: come back. And they were talking about suppression of evidence

671
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: or not produce the prosecutors didn't provide all the evidence

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00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: over the defense that council. Is that the case you're

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00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: talking about, I think so, yeah, yeah, Well I will

674
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge it was a pretty complicated matter, and I did

675
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: scratch my head a little bit considering the disposition from

676
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: some of the other courts who'd reviewed the case. So

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00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: it's all I can suggest is it's maybe just a

678
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: little bit more complicated. Then they just let the guy go.

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00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there was any prosecutory on misconduct.

680
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they do have an obligation to provide the

681
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: defense council with anything related to the crime, most notably

682
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: any evidence that might indicate that the person being prosecuted

683
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: is innocent of the crime otherwise didn't have anything to

684
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: do with it. There was a suggestion that some of

685
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: that evidence was withheld, but the way I read the

686
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: article that had been reviewed by an Appella court and note,

687
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: there was nothing in the so called withheld evidence that

688
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: had any relationship to the defendant who was on trial,

689
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: the one who was ultimately released. So apologies, Larry, I

690
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: really can't manage that one. This morning. If I had

691
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: the reporting on it, I probably could refresh my recollection

692
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: and give you more sound advice. So sorry to let

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Speaker 1: you down this morning, Larry. I hate having to do that.

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00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: The harp song is already in my email. Oh that's hilarry, Larry,

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00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: thank you very much for that one. I can't It

696
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Speaker 1: is Friday. Down on Mill Creek Road, by the water

697
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Speaker 1: tower light. Friday night was humming neon, buzzing white old Hanks,

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00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: tavern jukebox, crying steel guitar. When a stranger hit the

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00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: doorway like a falling star. He had river in his eyes,

700
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: trouble in his grin. Said I'll trade you all my

701
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: luck for one more wind. Then the music stopped dead,

702
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: like a screen door slam. He made a beeline for

703
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: the stage and the church golden stand. He stole a harp.

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Speaker 1: This is the chorus. I won't read the entire thing,

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00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: but here's the chorus. He stole a harp, Lord stole

706
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: it clean, slipped past the smoke and the kerosene boots

707
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: hit the floor. A crowd went wild, Mama crossed herself,

708
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Daddy just smiled. He stripped down to nothing but a

709
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: rebel shiver, moon on his back, jumped straight in the river. Yeah,

710
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: some folks run, Some folks starve that night a man

711
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: stole a harp. I'm telling you that anyway, pivoting over

712
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: to something that I was complaining about. I can't remember

713
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: how recently it was. It was fairly recently, but it's

714
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: still stinging, and I still feel like I'm kind of

715
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: walking funny talking about my Duke energy bill. Well, thank God,

716
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: and I'll give wcpo's John Matteie credit for reporting on it.

717
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I guess he's come to the conclusion of why my

718
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: energy bill and so many others and folks that he

719
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: talked to went through the blanket roof. It's the delivery charge.

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Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, just the delivery charge, folks. Apparently

721
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Speaker 1: I'm not only the one any rights. While December and

722
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: January's frigid temperaters have led to increased energy usage, customers

723
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Speaker 1: are discovering that delivery charges fees that many assumed were

724
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: fix are also contributing significantly to the monthly bill. He

725
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: interviewed Kathy Devillis of Mainville. Good morning, Kathy. Her bill

726
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: tripled in one month. Mine didn't quite triple, but it

727
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: did jump by about a third or more. Claremont County

728
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Speaker 1: resident that John interviewed gentleman by the name of Michael

729
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: said he received a three hundred dollars bill deliver one

730
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one dollars. He also under the presumption

731
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: that those delivery fees were fixed, not usage based, but fixed.

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's not correct. So you have the supply gas

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Speaker 1: and electricity that is one component the cost of delivering

734
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: through the pipes and the wires, and then you got

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00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: other writers and taxes which all end up being a

736
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: smaller portion of the bill. But how much energy you

737
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Speaker 1: use the supply side depends on your provider, right. You

738
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: get to choose providers, and we get this letter every year.

739
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, Sim's township has decided to go with this one.

740
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: If you like to opt out and go with something else,

741
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. So you can choose,

742
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: And there's actually, I guess a site where you can

743
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: go to do an Apples Apples comparison on the price

744
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: of the underlying electricity or gas that would be the

745
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: high public utility commissions Apples to Apple's website. There is

746
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I guess that's out there. You can search for it

747
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and find it to find out maybe you can save

748
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: some money on your provider. But in terms of the delivery,

749
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: it sucks to be you, I guess because Duke says

750
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: it's based upon usage court to High Public Utilities Commission.

751
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's contrary to what customers believe, but

752
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: it's true. So John spoke with Matt Schilling, the spokesman

753
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: for the for PUCO. Based on distribution rates are also

754
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: a usage based charge since you're using Duke's wires and

755
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: pipelines more during cold months. Now, this is where I

756
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: call foul because I looked at how much I consumed

757
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: in gas and electricity the same calendar month last year,

758
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: almost identical, So I didn't go off the charge with

759
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: consumption of more electricity and more gas essentially and apples

760
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: to apple comparison last year and this year during the

761
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: same billing cycle, How in the hell do my bill

762
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: go up basically by about a third?

763
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 5: And is it?

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Speaker 1: And I guess if there an engineer out there can

765
00:42:52,440 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: explain to me, please, if I use more electricity during

766
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a given month, it's coming through the same transmission wires, right,

767
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm paying for the volume of electricity that I'm using.

768
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: But does it put more stress? Does it wear the

769
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: grid out more? With me using more or is that

770
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: once built a static cost other than you know, obviously

771
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: maintenance and upkeep. I would like to think, and it

772
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: seems logical and reasonable that if you put you know,

773
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty megawatts through something, or you put

774
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: one hundred megawatts through something, that it's not going to

775
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: take tear apart the delivery equipment, the transmission lines. I'm

776
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: not causing additional wear and tear on those component parts,

777
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: which is the only thing in my mind it was

778
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: justify this sliding scale for the delivery cost. Why isn't

779
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: it a fixed delivery charge? Don't know, Peace of God,

780
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: but at least they at least offered an opportunity. Thanks

781
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: John Matterieves for explaining why we're all guarding our loins

782
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: waiting for the next bill to show up, which I'm

783
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: sure is going to be outrageous, And don't forget thank

784
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: you to the Green New Deal and energy policies like that.

785
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: That bill's just going to continue to go up. Laws.

786
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: The supplying demand also impact that. Ask our friends in

787
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: the northeast part of the country how they like dealing

788
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: with more demand than there is energy, And you can

789
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: ask pretty much anybody who's in the European Union the

790
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: same question, most notably, talk to your German friends about

791
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: how well that works out? Six sixteen right now, if

792
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Speaker 1: you five KRC, the talk station the best in the business,

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Speaker 1: Fasten pro Roofing Fasten six one at fifty five KRC

794
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: the talk station. Love my Fridays, even if it's a

795
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: snowy weekend, David, Yeah, just Strecker's going to be heading

796
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: off to Kruger as well. All the fixtures online of

797
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: empty store shelves is like, I don't know anyhow, uh.

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00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: Talking earlier, it's more about sensational ass headlines, and mine

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Speaker 1: was in the context of the Arizona Attorneys General talking

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Speaker 1: about these circumstances which justify the use of deadly force

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Speaker 1: in the context because the interviewer aster of ice enforcement officers. Now,

802
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: they're like anybody else. But as long as they have

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00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: identified themselves and they are known to the general public

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Speaker 1: to be a member of law enforcement, then that takes

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00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: away your argument that it's a reasonable use of deadly

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00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: force if you think your life is in peril because

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00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: of an ice officer. Now, I was just viewing it

808
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: from the perspective of maybe an agitator US citizen who

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00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: might take up armed because someone is approaching them in

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Speaker 1: a well threatening manner. But to the caller who said, well,

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Speaker 1: what about an illegal immigrant who's not entitle to have

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Speaker 1: a firearm, I believe that be an independent charge. Deadly

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Speaker 1: force may be justified for that individual based upon the

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Speaker 1: circumstances that offered, But they still would be charged for

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Speaker 1: possession unlawful possession of a firearm. I think one can

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Speaker 1: exist without the other, and that is a legal speculation

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00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: on my part. But the broader point was, you know,

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Speaker 1: I believe fully and again I'm proud and happy that

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00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: our elected officials passed that one point two trillion dollar

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00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: spending bill yesterday included some money to provide those officers

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Speaker 1: with cameras. I think that's worked out through police officers

822
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: advantage across this great land of ours. But going back

823
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Speaker 1: to the sensationalist headline, and that's what you came away with,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Attorney General is encouraging people to

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Speaker 1: shoot ice officers. That is not what she said. But

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Speaker 1: going over to this insensationalist headline, yes, read a headline

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Speaker 1: eleon Omar does, and then she just parrots it like

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Speaker 1: it's gospel truth and doesn't bother looking back into the details.

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Speaker 1: This five year old boy detained in Minnesota Ice. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, they're out of control, eleon Omar. A bunch

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Speaker 1: of leftists out there. Outlets including NPR, Star Tribune, Washington

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Speaker 1: Post all amplifying the hoax, alleging that ICE detained a

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Speaker 1: five year old child during an arrest operation in minnesot

834
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Speaker 1: ain't what happened, but it sure makes for great headlines,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it. Oh my god, he's evil. Ice people. Incident

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Speaker 1: ultimately was proven to involve ICE officers protecting the five

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Speaker 1: year old after his illegal immigrant father abandoned him while

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Speaker 1: fleeing arrest. Officers approached Adrian Alexander konekol Arias, reportedly an

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Speaker 1: illegal alien from Ecuador who had been released in the

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Speaker 1: United States about a Biden administration despite his unlawful status

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Speaker 1: ordered to be deported by a federal judge while driving

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Speaker 1: his five year old son. When the agents attempted to

843
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Speaker 1: arrest him, instead of complying, he got out and or

844
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Speaker 1: fled on foot, abandoning his own child in the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: For the child safety, ICE officers remained, or at least

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Speaker 1: one remained with him while others apprehended Arius. But of

847
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: course you can't have something like this sit There's really

848
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Speaker 1: literally nothing to see here, nothing whatsoever. No one detained

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00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: the five year old. Their obligation is to make sure

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Speaker 1: that that five year old, or anybody else under those

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Speaker 1: circumstances are placed with a responsible guardian and ultimately chosen

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Speaker 1: I guess by the parent. Yeah, parents asked if they

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Speaker 1: want to be removed with their children. First, you want

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Speaker 1: your five year old to go with you to your

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Speaker 1: country of origin? No, okay, Then we will pursue into

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Speaker 1: the processes in place place the child with the safe

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Speaker 1: person that you designate, and that's consistent with prior administration's

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement as well. So nobody gave Barack Obama a

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Speaker 1: Right now, if you have KRCD talk station, let's get

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Speaker 1: Intrust dot com is where you find them online. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. And your name came up like eight times

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Speaker 1: yesterday talking to my mom having more struggles with apps.

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Speaker 1: Mom thinks absolu the answer, and I just said, listen,

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Speaker 1: just start for the proposition you are at a technological disadvantage.

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Speaker 1: You don't understand the tech. And then couple with the

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Speaker 1: fact that there is a giant cluster of either crime

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Speaker 1: or nefarious types out there that want to try to

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Speaker 1: exploit you one way or another, either by stealing your

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Speaker 1: money or getting your data. That's what apps help them do.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it, I mean, just don't do it. It's

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Speaker 1: a simple default rule. I said. Unless you can come

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Speaker 1: up with enough pros for downloading the app that negate

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Speaker 1: those two starting points, then it's probably not worth it.

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Speaker 11: Well, first off, as always, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 11: And the secondarily, you know, I agree with your basic premise.

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Speaker 11: You know, I tell people this all the time, despite

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Speaker 11: thirty years in tech, more than twenty five years as

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Speaker 11: a programmer building software apps. If you will, I have

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Speaker 11: the minimum number of apps on my phone. I have

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Speaker 11: an Apple phone. Apple tends to be more privacy and

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Speaker 11: security friendly than Android, but they're not without their flawos folks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's just it's a.

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Speaker 11: Question of can I get into a more privacy and

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Speaker 11: security friendly situation, And that's primarily driven by their business model.

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Speaker 11: You know, Apple sells hardware and software. Google basically buys

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Speaker 11: and sells your data. As a matter of fact, just

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Speaker 11: to segue, while I was loading something up to get

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Speaker 11: ready for this, I mean Google to pay eight point

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Speaker 11: two five million dollars to settle lawsuit alleging children's privacy violations.

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Speaker 11: There's just a headline for you I happen to see.

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Speaker 11: So back to my phone. I have the apps that

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Speaker 11: came on my Apple phone, and I've probably installed may

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Speaker 11: be six apps that did not come on the phone.

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Speaker 11: Most of them are related to my job, and I

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Speaker 11: have things like LinkedIn which I use on a regular

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Speaker 11: basis primarily related to my job as well.

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Speaker 4: So yes, less apps better.

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Speaker 11: Generally speaking for most people, especially if you're not real

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Speaker 11: privacy and tech savvy.

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Speaker 1: So thank you very much. Mom. I told you, and

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Speaker 1: I knew Dave you double down on that. I'm just

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Speaker 1: trying to keep her out of trouble, that's all. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's always another source for information out there

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Speaker 1: that doesn't involve loading your phone up with something like

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Speaker 1: a simple Internet search like what's Cincinnati weather going to

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Speaker 1: be like over the next several days Anyway, Artificial intell

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Speaker 1: legins crazy stuff we use chat GPT. This morning, I

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Speaker 1: had Joe churn out a country music song about a

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Speaker 1: guy with a naked guy with a harp that was

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Speaker 1: from the stack of stupid. In about two seconds, he

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Speaker 1: had a three minute song four versus and a chorus.

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Speaker 1: It was hilarious. He's going to post it on the

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Speaker 1: Morning show page. But we have deep fakes in form

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Speaker 1: of explicit content. They're using these AI programs to create pornography,

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Speaker 1: sometimes involving children. And now how lawmakers apparently want to

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Speaker 1: do something about it, Davis, Can they.

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Speaker 11: Well that's a really good question, thank you, So deep

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Speaker 11: deep when it comes to AI, you and I have

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Speaker 11: been talking about deep fakes for a long long time now,

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Speaker 11: because it was really one of the first places where

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Speaker 11: you could see significant potential problems coming from this technology. Right,

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Speaker 11: deep fakes have been around for a long time. It's

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Speaker 11: the idea that I can create a photo, I can

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Speaker 11: create a video, I can create an audio some combination

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Speaker 11: of all of the above that increasingly looks unbelievably real

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Speaker 11: or sounds unbelievably realistic.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 11: So again, this concept is not new, but as the

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Speaker 11: technology gets better and better and better and again, to

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Speaker 11: kind of segue off into a different, different article here,

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Speaker 11: Whired Dredda ran a story recently. Google and Open AI's

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Speaker 11: chatbots can strip women in photos down to their bikinis.

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Speaker 11: So kind of related, right, because a deep fake can be.

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Speaker 11: I just want to edit one thing in an existing

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Speaker 11: photo to you know, change its context, change its meaning.

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Speaker 11: Like this WCPO story where they show Ohio State Representative

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Speaker 11: Adam Matthews, who's apparently a Republican, standing near a sign

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Speaker 11: that says JD Vance and then AI was manipulated used,

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Speaker 11: it was used to manipulate that photo. And I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 11: looking at the photo, you know now he's standing next

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Speaker 11: to a Harris sign.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 11: There's no way I would be able to tell the

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Speaker 11: difference between these two photos just looking at it.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 1: How about how lawmakers come up with legislation that's going

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Speaker 1: to allow them to determine what's real and what's not.

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Speaker 11: Well, I don't know, Brian, that's a really good question.

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Speaker 11: I mean, theoretically, you could say that you have to

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Speaker 11: put some kind of watermark in something if you use

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Speaker 11: AI on it. But here's the thing. Bad people, especially

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Speaker 11: bad people, bad actors offshore in other countries that want

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Speaker 11: to sow chaos and dissension in this country aren't going

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Speaker 11: to follow those laws. You know, could you pass a

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Speaker 11: law that says you could be penalized for this? Could

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Speaker 11: you pass a law that tries to hold these companies responsible.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you get into the same kind of situation,

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Speaker 11: you know, with it's a little different because, let's just say, Facebook, TikTok,

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Speaker 11: whatever isn't creating certain content necessarily, it's allowing people to

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Speaker 11: post it, whereas whereas these tools are actually creating things

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Speaker 11: from whole cloth. But offhand, I'm not really sure again,

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Speaker 11: other than requiring some kind of disclaimer, water mark something

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Speaker 11: that would say this came from some AI platform, I

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Speaker 11: don't really know how you would do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think we've reached that moment in time

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about day where you know, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to believe your own eyes anymore, you can't believe

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Speaker 1: organize done.

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Speaker 11: We're past that. Yeah, that those days are over. I mean,

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Speaker 11: you can't assume that anything you see or hear at

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Speaker 11: this point hasn't either been altered or created entirely by

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Speaker 11: AI and.

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Speaker 1: Much well much in the same way you can't control

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Speaker 1: some idiot from putting a headline on a newspaper saying

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Speaker 1: that ice detained a five year old boy in an

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Speaker 1: ice raid when that never even happened. You know, people

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Speaker 1: are gonna make stuff up, and they're gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for their own political interest, nefarious or political or whatever

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Speaker 1: other reason they've got, and just start not believing what

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Speaker 1: you see and quit taking everything for granted that it's real.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring Dave Hatter back. Hundreds of millions of audio

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Speaker 1: devices need a pat. Six about KRC de talk station

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with intrust it dot COM's Dave Hatter, nice figure,

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. Joe Striker put up the link for this

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Speaker 1: discussion on the blog pagment you have KRC dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's that? That is your figure, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It talking about the photo of me? Look? I haven't

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Speaker 4: looked at your blog this.

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Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, I know that I'm taking you on my

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Speaker 1: listening audience. That actually is a real picture of Dave Hatter.

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Speaker 1: You can tell anyhow.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see it. I pull it up

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Speaker 4: here while we're chatting. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, try to generate traffic over the fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: dot com page so they check you out and then

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Speaker 1: can hear what you have to say. Anyhow, Sorry to

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Speaker 1: take you down that road. Hundreds of millions of audio

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Speaker 1: devices apparently need a patch. What's this one all about?

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Speaker 1: Is this kind of like a bluetooth thing.

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Speaker 11: Yes it is, and really it gets back to the

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Speaker 11: point though to some extent you made about your mom.

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons why.

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Speaker 11: The less apps you have, the less so called smart

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Speaker 11: devices you have, is the less risk you have by

1023
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Speaker 11: exposure through these kinds of flaws. Okay, so, just as

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Speaker 11: a reminder, folks, an app is nothing but software. A

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Speaker 11: so called smart device has software in it. You know,

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Speaker 11: you've heard me, and if you pay any attention to

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Speaker 11: this sector at all, people like me talk about packing

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Speaker 11: your software over and over and over. Right, the patch

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Speaker 11: Tuesday for Microsoft, all these sort of things. Right, if

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Speaker 11: something has software in it, your car, your doorbell, your refrigerator,

1031
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Speaker 11: your thermostat, whatever, Guaranteed, because human beings wrote that software,

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Speaker 11: it will have bugs.

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Speaker 4: It will have flaws.

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Speaker 11: That allow bad guys to potentially exploit the software to

1035
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Speaker 11: attack the device and then potentially other devices. So again,

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Speaker 11: the less of this stuff you have, the less exposure

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Speaker 11: you have to this kind of risk. So in this case,

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Speaker 11: apparently Google, Now, as you know, Brian, I generally try

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Speaker 11: to avoid things from Google, so this isn't really a

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Speaker 11: problem for me. But apparently they created something called fast pair,

1041
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Speaker 11: which is a protocol to allow you to basically with

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Speaker 11: one tap connect to you or Bluetooth devices to Android devices,

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Speaker 11: Chrome books, that sort of thing. Okay, So, and this

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Speaker 11: is the biggest part of this problem in my mind.

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Speaker 11: So much of these things do make your life easier

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Speaker 11: and more convenient to a point, right as you and

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Speaker 11: I discussed. I mean, I've been on this earth for

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Speaker 11: fifty plus years. Most of it I didn't have any

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Speaker 11: of this stuff, and I've done just fine. So I

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Speaker 11: understand the wow factor of some of this stuff. I

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Speaker 11: understand the convenience factor of some of this stuff. And again,

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Speaker 11: you know, do I want to have to go through

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Speaker 11: fifteen steps to hook up my wireless headphones?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 11: If I can just press one button. But pressing the

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Speaker 11: one button requires more software, more software because it's more guarantees,

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Speaker 11: more bugs, more flaws, more patching, et cetera. And so

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Speaker 11: my bigger point of all of this is again, your ring, doorbell,

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Speaker 11: your nest thermostat, all of these things have sultware in

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Speaker 11: them if you don't know how to configure it correctly,

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Speaker 11: if you don't know how to update it, and probably

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Speaker 11: of equal importance when they stop putting out updates for it.

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Speaker 11: Because they've moved on to a new product. There's risk

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Speaker 11: for you. So this particular case again Google fast Pair.

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Speaker 11: There are millions of devices out there that use this,

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Speaker 11: and apparently there's a fairly significant flaw. Numerous outlets have

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Speaker 11: written about this. So let me just to start the

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Speaker 11: fast pair process. A seeker phone sends a message to

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Speaker 11: the provider and accessory indicating it wants to pair. The

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Speaker 11: fast pair specification states that the accessory is not in

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Speaker 11: pairing mode, it should disregard the message. Some devices fail

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Speaker 11: to check this, allowing on authorises devices to start the

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Speaker 11: pairing process.

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Speaker 4: After receiving reply, an.

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Speaker 11: Attacker can finish the fast pair procedure establishing a regular

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Speaker 11: Bluetooth pairing. Now, is this the greatest thing in the

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Speaker 11: world or the greatest flaw in the world. Is a

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Speaker 11: hacker going to be able to sit down the street

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Speaker 11: from you and potentially attack your devices, get to your computer,

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Speaker 11: get into your work environment or your bank, and steal

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Speaker 11: all your money. Probably not, Because Bluetooth has a real

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Speaker 11: You have to be fairly close for a Bluetooth device

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Speaker 11: to work. In most cases, it's around thirty three feet,

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Speaker 11: maybe a little longer, depends on all kinds of environmental conditions.

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Speaker 11: The big thing for me, though, is this is just

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Speaker 11: another example that shows you do you think the average

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Speaker 11: person even knows this is a flaw? And if they do,

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Speaker 11: do you think they know their devices might have it?

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Speaker 4: And even if they.

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Speaker 11: Do, do you think they know how to fix it?

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Speaker 11: Or will the device even support fixing it? And the

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Speaker 11: longer you go without fixing a flaw in your devices,

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Speaker 11: whatever that might be, the more exposure you have because

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Speaker 11: more bad actors will learn about the flaw, and depending

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Speaker 11: on what it is and how it can be accessed,

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Speaker 11: it creates risk for you and your family, your business,

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Speaker 11: your work, et cetera. So if you have Google devices,

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Speaker 11: I suggest you look into this. It would be good

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Speaker 11: to patch these flaws. But again, in many cases this

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Speaker 11: is some sort of third party headphones or something. It's

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Speaker 11: a tricky one, but it gets to the heart of

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Speaker 11: what I keep trying to tell people all the time.

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Speaker 11: All of this stuff does not but it does not

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Speaker 11: favor the consumer right. It's speed to market, market share,

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Speaker 11: ease of use. The stuff goes out of life soon,

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Speaker 11: meaning it doesn't get updates from the vendor, you don't

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Speaker 11: know how to set it up right, you don't know

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Speaker 11: how to keep it updated. I don't know when it

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Speaker 11: goes into life. The less of this stuff you have

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Speaker 11: until the business model changes, the better off you will be.

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Speaker 11: And this is just yet another of dozens and dozens

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Speaker 11: and dozens of these examples. Yeah, why the less so

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Speaker 11: called smart devices, apps, etcetera.

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Speaker 4: You have, the better off.

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Speaker 1: You are, Amen, underscore in bold underline, Tell your friends

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Speaker 1: and neighbors six forty seven right now, one more with

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Speaker 1: intrust its Dave Hatter. Now we can hear from corner

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Speaker 1: sixty two fifty five Kercity talk station Brian Thomas Woo

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. Interest it dot com is where you find him,

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Speaker 1: and also on LinkedIn. You go to LinkedIn dot com

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Speaker 1: just search for Dave Hatter. He has all the articles

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Speaker 1: that he talks about during this segment of the program,

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Speaker 1: and that's some that's a worthy endeavor to stay up

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Speaker 1: with him throughout the week as well. Chinese hackers again

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Speaker 1: at Chinese Communist Party up to no good again, Dave Hatter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is a chocker, Brian.

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Speaker 11: And also you know all this stuff we talk about

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Speaker 11: on here, I'm sharing on X two if X is

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Speaker 11: easier for people. But you know, I'm trying to throughout

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Speaker 11: them week put out as much information about this stuff

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Speaker 11: that I think will be helpful for people, to help

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Speaker 11: people understand the risks and hopefully make smarter decisions. Because

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Speaker 11: at the end of the day, Brian, if you make

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Speaker 11: a risk informed decision, you understand what you're signing up

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Speaker 11: for with all this stuff. You read the terms of service,

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Speaker 11: the privacy policy, all of which, as you know, will

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Speaker 11: be an eighty page legal mumbo jumbo confuse opoly, and

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Speaker 11: you decide to proceed. Well, you're an adult, okay, have

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Speaker 11: at it exactly right. My issue was all of this

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Speaker 11: stuff at the end of the day really is again

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Speaker 11: it does not favor the consumer, as I mentioned in

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Speaker 11: the last segment, and most people don't really understand the risk,

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Speaker 11: both the cybersecurity risk or the privacy risk of this stuff.

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Speaker 11: So with all of that said, yeah, here we are again.

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Speaker 11: Probably in the last five or six years, you and

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Speaker 11: I have discussed this pretty much relentlessly because it just

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Speaker 11: keeps hitting the news. Right, So, headline Chinese hackers targeting

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Speaker 11: high value North American critical infrastructure, Cisco says for people

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Speaker 11: who don't know, you know, Cisco is one of the

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Speaker 11: largest and oldest major tech companies out there. They make

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Speaker 11: a lot of the equipment to powers the Internet and

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Speaker 11: the networking infrastructure that makes this work, switches, routers, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: So you know this these are these are people that

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Speaker 11: know what they're talking about, is my point.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 11: Cisco has been around for a long time, and you know,

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Speaker 11: in the business from an enterprise grade professional standpoint, they're

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Speaker 11: you know, one of the vendors chosen most often by people.

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Speaker 11: So we've heard DHS warn't about this. We've heard we've

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Speaker 11: heard FBI warn't about this, We've heard scission worn about this.

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Speaker 11: SISS of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, part of DHS.

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Speaker 11: I have been trying to explain to people for a

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Speaker 11: long time. When the Internet was originally designed back in

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Speaker 11: the late sixties and early seventies, right, the underlying protocols,

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Speaker 11: the technologies that make it work, we're not designed with

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Speaker 11: security in mind. Right, they were disclad they could make

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Speaker 11: it work at all. Over time, as it's expanded and

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Speaker 11: people have loaded more and more stuff on the Internet,

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Speaker 11: and now we've basically live in this digital world, all

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Speaker 11: powered by the technology that drives the Internet. I mean,

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Speaker 11: you don't even really hear people talk about the Internet

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Speaker 11: verse se anymore. And internet really just means inter network, right,

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Speaker 11: a network connected to another network connected to another network.

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Speaker 11: That's really all it is. All these different networks that

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Speaker 11: are connected. They all use the same protocols or rules

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Speaker 11: to talk to each other. And all of that stuff

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Speaker 11: again was designed back at a time when security was

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Speaker 11: not a concern. So you know, fast forward to now

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Speaker 11: you've got all this mission critical stuff. Our entile society

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Speaker 11: runs off of this. And while you can apply security

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Speaker 11: to this, typically you're trying to retro fit it in.

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Speaker 11: It's creating friction, It creates costs, that causes problems. Right,

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Speaker 11: So you've got a situation too where as you stack

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Speaker 11: more and more stuff on this going back to the

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Speaker 11: point I made before, more and more software, more and

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Speaker 11: more flaws, it creates opportunities for people that really understand

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Speaker 11: how this stuff works to try to exploit these flaws,

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Speaker 11: to try to expl the inherent vulnerabilities in this stuff

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Speaker 11: if it's not patched and it's not set up correctly. Right,

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Speaker 11: And this is just another example. So here from this article,

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Speaker 11: Chinese hackers successfully breached multiple critical infrastructure organizations in North

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Speaker 11: America over the last year using a combination of compromised

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Speaker 11: credentials and exploitable servers. Researchers at Cisco Talos found Tellos

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Speaker 11: is their security focus group. They research this stuff, they

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Speaker 11: look for flaws, they try to help other vendors fix

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Speaker 11: these problems. Now there's two key points there. Exploitable servers.

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Speaker 11: It's not patched, it doesn't have the latest updates, it's

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Speaker 11: not set up correctly. It has an inherent flaw that

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Speaker 11: can't be patched because it's too old and it needs

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Speaker 11: to be replaced. But compromise credentials. This gets back to

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Speaker 11: people use bad passwords. They use the same bad passwords

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Speaker 11: across multiple systems. They don't use multi factor authentication or

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Speaker 11: other technologies that can make it more difficult to log in,

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Speaker 11: hence account takeover attacks. So, even though I talk about

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01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 11: this stuff colin blue in the face, you know you

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Speaker 11: see these examples.

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Speaker 4: Out in the real world.

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Speaker 11: Now, is it bad, Brian if hackers do an account takeover,

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Speaker 11: Because if you have a bad password and no MFA

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Speaker 11: get into your company email and eventually steal all your

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Speaker 11: money and.

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Speaker 4: Put you out of business. Yeah, that's pretty bad. But

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Speaker 4: is it.

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Speaker 11: Is it even worse when they can get into the

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Speaker 11: electrical grid or the water systems, or let's say, uh,

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Speaker 11: you know some railroads somewhere and cause a train full

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Speaker 11: of chlorine gas to derail.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: You call that a rhetorical question, Dave. We're out of time,

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Speaker 1: my friend. You want to sum it up, the critical

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Speaker 1: infrastructure critically.

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Speaker 4: We got to fix it, Brian gott to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Priority number one for all elected officials from local to federal.

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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Yes, Dave had our intrust it

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Speaker 1: dot com. Where you find him and his crew for

1226
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Speaker 1: your business computer needs. Find him at LinkedIn dot com

1227
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Speaker 1: and follow him on x get all the articles and

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Speaker 1: documents and tune in every Friday at six point thirty

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Speaker 1: for uh, well, some sound advice.

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Speaker 4: Dave.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Have a great week and stay

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Speaker 1: safe and we'll look forward to next Friday again. Coming

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Speaker 1: up Corey Bowman with well stuff and thinks seven oh

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Speaker 1: seven Here for you, Bob Karsite talk station. Happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas right here. I always enjoy talking to a

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Speaker 1: friend that I made during the campaign last year, Corey Bowman.

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Speaker 1: He was running from Mayor. I represented a different way

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Speaker 1: of going, not continuing down the same path, doing the

1239
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, expecting a different result

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01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: as the definition of stupidity. And yet in spite of

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Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of people registered to vote,

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Speaker 1: one in four registered voters showed up to vote, and

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Speaker 1: of course, basically across the board, with a couple of

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Speaker 1: notable exceptions like California and Riverside and Sailor Park, everybody

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Speaker 1: went with Mary av to have Purvoll and the current

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Speaker 1: cast characters we have representing the city of Cincinnati to

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Speaker 1: the extent they are Welcome back, Corey Bowman Man, it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the morning show, and a

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Speaker 1: happy Friday to you.

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Speaker 8: Hey, good morning, Brian, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it, and happy to mention your church,

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Speaker 1: the River Church. That's where Corey's pastor over the West End.

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Speaker 1: He's got some stuff to talk about what's going on

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Speaker 1: the West End, of course, sobject matter of a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion, considering the up young people who've gotten their

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Speaker 1: lives taken from them just by hanging out in a

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Speaker 1: public park in regular hours. River Church is where you

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Speaker 1: go to see Corey Bowman preside over the congregation. Maybe

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Speaker 1: get you right with the Lord. Don't know King's Arms

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Speaker 1: Coffee Roasters as well. Yes, a free plug for your

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Speaker 1: coffee company too. I understand a couple of cops went

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Speaker 1: in there and heard me mention in King's Arms Coffee Roasters.

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Speaker 1: So at least you got a couple of cups of

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Speaker 1: coffee out of me for the last time you're on Corey.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it man, Hey.

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Speaker 8: I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we started the church five years ago and you know,

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Speaker 8: when we started actually in queens Gate West End area,

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Speaker 8: fell in love with community and throughout all that we've

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Speaker 8: been able to distribute groceries and meals, been able to

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Speaker 8: lead people the Lord. But also you know, we also

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Speaker 8: see not only a spiritual aspect, that there has to

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Speaker 8: be an economic impact for this as well. So we

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Speaker 8: started the coffee shop right in the downtown West End

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Speaker 8: area as well, and you know we've been able to

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Speaker 8: see major progress with that.

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Speaker 1: That's congratulations, and keep up the great work in the community.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a community you really have a deep

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Speaker 1: concern over. You've made a lot of friends there. You'd

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Speaker 1: like to see it a better place. And you've also

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Speaker 1: witnessed the struggles that some developers have had trying to

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Speaker 1: make the area a better place, with the City of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati standing in the standing in the way of development

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Speaker 1: in the name of oh I don't know, connected communities

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Speaker 1: or something. Anyway, impediments to development are impediments to the

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Speaker 1: neighborhood improving. And that was one of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: know you ran for for mayor. We'll maybe give it

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Speaker 1: another shot. Thank you very much, Corey Bowman for attaching

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Speaker 1: are you on your your your Facebook page? Yesterday you

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Speaker 1: posted a link to the city council meeting that took

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Speaker 1: place yesterday and the agenda, And I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you about this because I've never seen an agenda before,

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Speaker 1: never bothered looking, but right there in the meeting caliber

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Speaker 1: all of these action items, and there are, Jeeze Louise,

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Speaker 1: sixty of them. A lot of them have to do

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Speaker 1: with appointments. And what I found really weird and I

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Speaker 1: think really personally troubling. I'm entitled to my own opinion,

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Speaker 1: is that when you're talking about appointments, so for example,

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Speaker 1: appointments submitted by a mayor, I have to have purval

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Speaker 1: I hear by appoint Anita Albi to the City Planning

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Speaker 1: Commission as a member of SINCINNY City Council. Appointment submitted

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Speaker 1: City Council. So they're going to vote on that, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But in every appointment, whether it's to that panel or

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Speaker 1: the Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Board appointment, or any other

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: appointment to any advisory board like Housing Advisory Board, there's

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Speaker 1: a parenthetical which tells you the sex of the individual

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Speaker 1: and the color of their skin. So, in so far

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Speaker 1: as Anita Albi's concerned, perenn female slash white. And it

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Speaker 1: comes to appointing David Roberts, the Housing advisory word perenn

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Speaker 1: male slash white. And then you, of course, I also

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Speaker 1: have others female aa. I don't know what that means

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Speaker 1: male AI. Then they got the gender pronouns put in

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Speaker 1: there the reappointment parvol for keyback whoever that person is

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Speaker 1: speren they slash them slash aa. I guess that's African American.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a reference to a transgender person

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Speaker 1: on here. Bottom line, does that information have any bearing

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 1: on their qualifications to act in capacity of whatever appointment

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Speaker 1: or reappoinment they're up for Corey.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know when you mentioned this, this is something

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Speaker 8: that it's a very fine line to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 8: tiptoe around in some aspects. It's a very heated issue.

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Speaker 8: You know, it is important to recognize certain aspects of

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Speaker 8: the community when it comes to race and gender because

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Speaker 8: we've come so far in our country when it comes

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Speaker 8: to civil rights, when it comes to women's rights, when

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Speaker 8: it comes to voting, but we've kind of crossed over

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Speaker 8: into this realm to where it's no longer about creating

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Speaker 8: equal opportunity for everybody, it's about check marking all of

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Speaker 8: these different categories just to make sure we meet it

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Speaker 8: quota right. I think that that's taken out the aspect

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Speaker 8: of the true value of people when it comes to

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Speaker 8: their skill sets, when it comes to what their opinions are,

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Speaker 8: what comes to their background is. And I believe that

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Speaker 8: that's something that really hurts when it comes to not

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Speaker 8: only city government, when it comes to businesses, when it

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Speaker 8: comes to careers. We have to be able to look

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Speaker 8: at this, as you know, not everything needs to be

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Speaker 8: a race issue or a gender issue. While it's important

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Speaker 8: to recognize those things when it's appropriate. This line that

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Speaker 8: we're towing right now is creating more division than unity.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's was my take on it. And also, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm one that still believes in the idea of meritocracy.

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Speaker 1: So if here's another one, Van Lee Solivan was appointed

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Speaker 1: to the Environmental Advisor Advisory Board for a three year appointment.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who this person is. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they're qualified for the job. That's what really matters.

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Speaker 1: What have they done to make them qualify to sit

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Speaker 1: on the Environmental Advisory Board. I don't care that Van

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Speaker 1: Lee Sullivan happens to be according to parenthetical here anyway,

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Speaker 1: trans non binary slash white. What does that those aspects

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Speaker 1: of his being have to do with competence to perform

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Speaker 1: a job on the Environmental Advisory Board? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: suppose that's something, since it was submitted by Scheryl Long

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Speaker 1: as city manager, that she might have looked into. But

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of a lot of people losing trust

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: in Cheryl Long's ability to make rational decisions anyway, So

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Speaker 1: did Cheryl Long look at his resume? Did Scheryl Long

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Speaker 1: know whether or not he knows anything about being on

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Speaker 1: the Environmental Advisory Board? None of which I know. But

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Speaker 1: I know that's not information that was provided to council.

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Speaker 1: Council was just provided what sex the person is, what

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Speaker 1: color skin they are, and I don't think that's appropriate.

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Speaker 8: Well I will say this though, too, because what I've

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Speaker 8: seen is that they have this check mark policy when

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Speaker 8: it comes to this. But when those appointees or when

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Speaker 8: those people that are in those his positions don't necessarily

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Speaker 8: agree with their policies or agreed to play the you know,

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Speaker 8: play ball with the head administration, they get Ouston, what

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Speaker 8: comes to mind, you know, with me is Michael Washington.

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Speaker 8: Michael Washington was a man that grew up in downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: He played basketball at Station five Fire Department. He worked

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Speaker 8: his way up to being the Cincinnati fire chief. And

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Speaker 8: this is a black man that is in the city

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Speaker 8: of Cincinnati. And yeah, you can check mark that, you know,

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Speaker 8: he met the diversity roles. But this man was qualified.

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Speaker 8: This man had a heart for the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: And when I talked to him, and when I talked

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Speaker 8: to the firefighters, nobody thinks that there is anybody that

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Speaker 8: loves the Cincinnati Fire Department and wants to see it

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Speaker 8: succeed more than Michael Washington, Right, So then, but then

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Speaker 8: he didn't play ball when it comes to the administration,

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Speaker 8: and so he gets wrongly fired let go by the

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Speaker 8: city manager. Well, now the city's paying for that because

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Speaker 8: the city is now facing the settlement of his lawsuit,

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Speaker 8: and that's costing taxpayers money. And so what I would

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 8: say is that why don't we start right off the

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Speaker 8: bat with people that love the community, with people that

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Speaker 8: love Cincinnati, that want to protect and serve or want

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Speaker 8: to fulfill these duties properly, And then what you'll find

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Speaker 8: is that the diversity will already be there, because Cincinnati

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Speaker 8: is a diverse city, right, But if you based it

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Speaker 8: on the qualifications, you're going to get a lot better

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Speaker 8: outcome because of it.

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Speaker 1: That's my sole point. And if Michael Washington his name

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Speaker 1: was on here, part of the part of the time

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Speaker 1: when they appointed him to be the fire chief, if

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Speaker 1: it said paren mail slash black, I would make the

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01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: same argument. He has demonstrably qualified for the job. He's

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: been around fire department work his entire life. He embraces

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: the fire department. He has worked hard, he's walked, worked

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: himself up through the ranks, eminently qualified. Based upon his

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: man anybody could fill that role, regardless of skin color,

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: regardless of sexuality, the point being can they fill the

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01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: role competently? And isn't that the only thing that we

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: should be vetting them over anyhow, Just a little eye

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01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: opening for me on that one talk station fifty about

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01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: KRCD talk station Happy Friday, the former mayor oald candidates

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: still passed her and still a businessman, Corey Bowman, resident

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01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: of the West End area in the neighborhood that he

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01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: cares a great deal about trying to make it a

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Speaker 1: better place. We go back to twenty twenty three, eleven

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: year old Dominic Davis got killed in a park right

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01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: down the street from your church, and then sadly earlier

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: this year because a couple of weeks ago, we got

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Speaker 1: another eleven year old killed there. Queen Irie was her

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: young girl's name, read her last or was her last name.

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: And after the initial shooting of that young the eleven

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: year old Dominic Davis, the West End was promised some

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: cameras not going to always, you know, prevent crime, but

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01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: certainly it deterns to crime. You were promised cameras being

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01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: stole out of the neighborhood, and apparently that never happened

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01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: until we had the second eleven year old murdered in

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01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: the same park, and then we get some action from council.

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Speaker 1: What is actually going on now on the ground in

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Speaker 1: the West End as far as law enforcement activities and

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: efforts to prevent crime from happening.

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Speaker 8: Corey Bowman, Yeah, so I know that you know there's

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01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 8: a big emphasis on the cameras in the West End

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 8: right now. I know that you know they've the officers

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Speaker 8: specifically CPD and all the organizations that are involved in

1433
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 8: this have called business owners in the West End because

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01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 8: you've got to get permission from like business owners or

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 8: property owners to put cameras up in certain places. So

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Speaker 8: that's something that shows us that they are being they

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 8: are actively pursuing installing these cameras in certain areas, so they're.

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Speaker 1: At least asking. Now, do you get any sense from

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: the neighborhood business and property owners whether they're for it

1440
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: or against it? Do you think generally speaking that would

1441
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: be embraced or have you heard some people complain about

1442
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: the idea of a camera being mounted on their property

1443
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: as being bad.

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 8: I think when it comes to what we've seen in

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01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 8: like these public parks and these areas because where the

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 8: shooting happened was at Laurel Park, and when you look

1447
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 8: throughout the city, these parks have actually turned into these

1448
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 8: areas that are targeted by gangs in the area, whether

1449
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 8: it be individuals that you know are just over for

1450
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 8: turf or whatever that might be. And so when this happens,

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 8: a lot of times there's just no camera footage, there's

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 8: no deterrence, there's no anything that's going on. You know, specifically,

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 8: when when I think of certain parks, I think of

1454
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 8: Laurel Park, Grant Park, Fairview Park. These are areas where

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01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 8: we've seen instances before, and the cameras do deter now,

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 8: I think, you know, from a constitutional rising from when

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01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 8: it comes to monitoring somebody's privacy, you know, there's certain

1458
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 8: areas when it comes to private property that you don't

1459
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 8: necessarily want to.

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 5: See it there.

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Speaker 8: But then you know, for me, we have a business

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01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 8: in the West End and we have cameras that are

1463
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 8: on our building for our security purposes, and that's been

1464
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 8: a huge deterrent for us as well. So I think

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01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 8: it's got to be a collaborative effort of people working

1466
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 8: together on that. But from what we can tell, there

1467
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 8: is some initiative being taken for installing these cameras, but

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01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 8: it's not just a camera issue. There are certain other

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01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 8: things that we've got to put in place for this.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's pause and rub it to break. What

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Speaker 1: are those specific things I'm gonna ask Corey Bowman that

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Speaker 1: as we come back from break, and that will be

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01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: after these first words for plumb type plumbing always plumbing

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01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: down some thirty eight figuring out Karsiti Talk Station Brian

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01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: Thomas swishing every one a very happy Friday, an extra

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01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: special return to Corey Bowman. He's got his fingers on

1477
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: the pulse of what's going on in downtown Cincinnati, notably

1478
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: his area of the West End's got a real prime problem.

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: We've been dealing with this for years. Corey knows more

1480
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: about it anybody since he lives there, and of course

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 1: he is a business in a church in the area.

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Speaker 1: Going back to the couple of shootings in the park

1483
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Speaker 1: down the street from your church business, the cameras are

1484
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,440
Speaker 1: apparently at least coming. I understand your point about installation.

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01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: You got to get property owners approval. I do believe

1486
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: in the concept of private property, and I think it'd

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01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: be a good thing if the neighborhood would agree that, yes,

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: cameras would be a good thing because our neighborhood has

1489
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: a crime problem and that would help moving over. Now,

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: that may act as a deterrence, not one hundred percent,

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: but it acts as a deterrence certainly an evidence gathering

1492
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: element because you got videotape anyway, But what you were

1493
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: getting ready to talk about? What else you're hoping comes

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Speaker 1: to the West End or maybe any other neighborhood in

1495
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: the city that's struggling with crime. Corey Bauman, what are

1496
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: you looking for?

1497
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I go back to the night where Queen

1498
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 8: Irie was shot that night in the West End. Because

1499
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 8: many people might not know this, but the grandmother of

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01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 8: the eleven year old girl that was shot several weeks

1501
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 8: ago was a church member of mine, and so I

1502
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 8: was at the hospital right when it happened and was

1503
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 8: with the family. And then we came back to the

1504
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 8: place where the shoe a shop at Laurel Park because

1505
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 8: grandmother lives right across the street from it. And the

1506
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 8: specific thing I think about was that that night, it's

1507
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 8: almost past the night, we're sitting there and the community

1508
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 8: itself all comes out to grieve, to mourn, to offer condolences,

1509
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 8: and I'm sitting there with the family. We're all outside,

1510
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 8: and a couple of things happened. Number One, I was

1511
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 8: hearing people constantly talk about where the cameras. Where are

1512
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 8: the cameras. They were like, we've got two hundred and

1513
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 8: fifty million dollar stadium right there, talking about TQL Stadium,

1514
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 8: they said, where are the cameras at? Where the cameras at?

1515
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 8: They promised that after dom and so the community cares

1516
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 8: about this also. Whenever they would talk then what would

1517
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 8: happen was is that these cars would be driving by

1518
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 8: very slowly. And when all these cars would drive by

1519
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 8: very slowly with sins of windows, everybody had knee jerk reaction.

1520
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 8: They didn't know what was going to happen, whether another

1521
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 8: incident was going to happen with the shooting. So I

1522
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 8: just made call and we got some cruisers to be

1523
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 8: able to come to the park for the protection of

1524
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 8: the family and everybody outside. Well, when those cruisers pulled up,

1525
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 8: the initial response was they were a lot of people

1526
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 8: were freaking out because they thought the cruisers were there

1527
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 8: to clear them out, and I just said, no, these

1528
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 8: cruisers are here. To help you, to protect you, and

1529
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 8: that kind of kind of bridge this gap and put

1530
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 8: down these walls. And a lot of people don't see

1531
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 8: it this way, but that there is a huge gap

1532
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 8: between the community of Cincinnatis, between the community of downtown

1533
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 8: and the police officers who want to protect and serve.

1534
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 8: And I believe that the elected officials have to do

1535
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 8: everything they can to bridge that gap, to show that

1536
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 8: these officers are on the side of the community. And

1537
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 8: then on top of that, you know, you ask what

1538
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 8: are some practical things that we can do to fight

1539
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 8: this crime? You know, the number one thing right now

1540
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 8: is that we're twenty percent understaffed. We are twenty percent

1541
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 8: understaffed when it comes to these officers. So no matter what,

1542
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 8: they're just trying to show up to the worst case

1543
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 8: scenarios because they're understaff they're trying to get a handle

1544
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 8: on everything. And you look through and we saw I

1545
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 8: believe it was five point four million dollars appropriate toward

1546
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 8: public safety over this year, and I'm looking at the

1547
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 8: efforts and there was one hundred thousand of that that

1548
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 8: was put toward recruitment efforts.

1549
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 5: We are at a.

1550
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 8: Point with CPD right now to where if we don't

1551
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 8: get a handle on properly recruiting and getting people through

1552
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 8: lateral hiring, and we're in trouble because you've got some

1553
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 8: people and I'll say this based on what I've heard,

1554
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 8: is that you've got anywhere between sixty to eighty officers

1555
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 8: even more than that that this year or next year

1556
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 8: they enter into what's called the drop or possible retirement,

1557
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 8: and many of them might actually take that retirement and

1558
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 8: not actually continue on. So then you're talking about possibly

1559
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 8: going from twenty to thirty percent understaff. We have to

1560
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 8: back our police officers, we have to back our law enforcement,

1561
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 8: but we have to bridge that gap between them and

1562
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 8: the communities they serve. And so those are just practical

1563
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 8: things that I believe has to be at the forefront

1564
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 8: if we want to fight this crime. Because you can

1565
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 8: put money into initiatives, you can put money into I mean,

1566
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 8: out of those appropriate funds, I believe it is eight

1567
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty thousand went toward three CDC's expanded Ambassador program.

1568
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 8: And a lot of these expanded ambassador programs involves like

1569
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 8: picking up trash and trying to better the community in

1570
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 8: that way, we've neglected the fact that our police are

1571
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 8: there to protect and serve, not from a militant standpoint,

1572
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 8: but from a community involvement standpoint. We've got to bring

1573
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 8: that back well.

1574
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: And stability and safety in any given community will lure investment.

1575
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to invest in a community where there's a

1576
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: whole lot of crime going on in a city that's

1577
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: not responsive to it. I want to address your lateral

1578
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: higher point here in the allocation you've mentioned one hundred

1579
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. This is needs to be a full scale

1580
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: We'll reimagine Cincinnati marketing approach to rehabilitate the good name

1581
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: of the police department. Otherwise you're not going to get anybody.

1582
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you hang out there.

1583
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: Police chair FOP president Ken Kober told me about sad figures.

1584
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: They had thirty open spots. If nobody shows up, you

1585
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: can't do lateral hires. Don't go away. Corey Bowman continues

1586
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: seven thirty five. If I've KCD talk station, od O,

1587
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: r XIT, that's hitting west and resident business owner and

1588
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: pastor in the West End and the church, I get

1589
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: pivoting over. Of course, yes, more police officers are needed.

1590
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, even the most ardent person who

1591
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: hates the police, except for maybe Iris Roley, doesn't realize

1592
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: we are low on officers. There's you know how many

1593
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: hundreds thousand people in the city of Cincinnati within the

1594
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: limits fifty two neighborhoods, and we only have enough officers that,

1595
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe when seconds counts, perhaps twenty thirty minutes later,

1596
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: there might be one there. You got to allocate reasonable

1597
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: the resources, got to go to the worst calls first,

1598
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: meaning some people who may very well be in a jam,

1599
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, aren't gonna see a cop come by because

1600
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: they're short. So obvious thing. Let's get more officers on

1601
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: the job. Now. We can't start with recruits and brand

1602
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: new classes. They need to be trained to take six

1603
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: months or more to get them out on the street.

1604
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: So even if you get people to sign up to

1605
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: be a police officer, that's going to take a while.

1606
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: How about hiring away police officers from other police departments?

1607
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: Great idea. There's a lot of folks out there, maybe

1608
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: in New York City for example, and you may have

1609
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: a wortitude on that, but you know, we have a

1610
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: better life here. You and I could argue about it

1611
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: all day long. We can engage in a marketing campaign

1612
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: to explain how much better the city of Cincinnati is

1613
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: in spite of its warts, than a lot of other

1614
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 1: cities in this country. But you still can't get a

1615
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: cop to come over and sign up for the job

1616
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: knowing that the political structure is against them, and a

1617
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: minimum won't even stand up for police officers or go

1618
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: out and advocate for them like we all know that

1619
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: they need. They need the support of the mayor, the

1620
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: city manager, the supportive count until regular, out loud support

1621
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: stop criticizing the police department. We've made massive improvements in

1622
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: policing in the city Sincinnati, going all the way back

1623
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: to the Collaborative Agreement and all the way to this day,

1624
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: things just kept getting better. They're not out to hurt you.

1625
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: They're out to help you. They're out to make your

1626
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: neighborhood of crime free place. There's nothing wrong with policing.

1627
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: You're going to have to have a marketing campaign to

1628
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: rehabilitate counsel and the Mayor's office onto the side of

1629
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: us believing that they actually care about the police. Otherwise

1630
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: you're going to open thirty spots up for lateral hires

1631
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 1: and you're going to get I think it was seven

1632
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: applicants at least, that's what Ken Kober told me when

1633
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: he was on the program. It just doesn't work saying

1634
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: you're going to do lateral hires. Corey.

1635
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, you know, one thing that a lot of

1636
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 8: people might not you know, understand why it comes to

1637
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 8: police officers as well, is that there are accreditation programs,

1638
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 8: and there are accreditation organizations that basically qualify or not qualify,

1639
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 8: but they basically allow the standards to be enforced if

1640
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 8: you come underneath that covering. So it's kind of like,

1641
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 8: you know, if you go to any university, are they accredited?

1642
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 8: You know, is there accreditation that justifies that they are

1643
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 8: qualified to be able to offer those types of services.

1644
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 8: So in the state of Ohio, we have something called

1645
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 8: the Ohio Collaborative Law Enforcement Accreditation Program OCLAP. Now, this

1646
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 8: is something that's offered state wide. It's voluntary, but this

1647
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 8: ensures that certain standards are met with the police department

1648
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 8: and with law enforcement agencies, and many agencies all throughout

1649
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 8: the state go into this program. And not only because

1650
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 8: of the standards, but because with lateral hiring, this helps

1651
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 8: because then people throughout the whole state can recognize that

1652
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 8: this department is actually accredited under them, we can trust

1653
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 8: the standards of it, and then we want to work

1654
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:04,879
Speaker 8: for them. Then there's actually a national accreditation called KALIA

1655
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 8: C A L e A. That's this and what that

1656
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 8: offers is national standards. Now here's the thing with these accreditations,

1657
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:21,440
Speaker 8: right it offers standards for accountability, for transparency with the officers,

1658
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 8: you know, bodytams, making sure that there are no racial issues,

1659
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 8: no profile you know, anything, but also that the training

1660
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 8: for the officers is up to par And right now,

1661
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 8: the Cincinnai Police Department is not under any of those

1662
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 8: accreditation programs. And we do have something called the Collaborative Agreement,

1663
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 8: which is agreement that was needed at the time and

1664
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 8: it is something that enforces these standards. But this is

1665
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 8: what we got to realize is that Cincinnati cannot be

1666
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 8: an island unto itself. I've talked with the public safety

1667
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,600
Speaker 8: sector of the state when we talk about accepting the

1668
01:29:55,680 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 8: packages for public safety from Ohio State Patrol and getting

1669
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 8: people on the ground to up our complement levels, and

1670
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 8: they say that with Cleveland, with Columbus, with all these

1671
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 8: other cities, they make a massive progress when it comes

1672
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 8: to helping, but when it comes to Cincinnati, they have

1673
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 8: to jump through a lot of hoops because Cincinnati operates

1674
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 8: by like its own standards and that might seem like, oh, yeah,

1675
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 8: we we have higher standards. No, it's that we are

1676
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 8: an island unto ourselves. We don't operate underneath Kalia. We

1677
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 8: don't operate under the Ohio state accreditation, and that really

1678
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 8: hinders us, not only when it comes to accepting help

1679
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 8: from the state, but when it comes to things like

1680
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 8: lateral hiring. If we're underneath Kalia accreditation, you would get

1681
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 8: some of the best of the best from NYPD, from

1682
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 8: Chicago PD, from LAPD, you get some of the best

1683
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 8: of the best from all over the nation. Say hey, Cincinnati,

1684
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 8: there's a lower cost of living, it's a great city.

1685
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 8: We've got all these great things that could go for

1686
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 8: us and raising our family there. And they are underneath

1687
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,879
Speaker 8: that Korea that National recognize accreditation to where the standards

1688
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 8: are going to be there and the recruitment would actually

1689
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 8: go up. But CINCINNTI doesn't operate under that right now,

1690
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 8: and that's something I think we need to change.

1691
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like it's a simple fix Corey. I mean,

1692
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: is anything that our police officers here in the city

1693
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: are taught, pursued to the collaborator, a reeman, or their

1694
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: training that is inconsistent or flies in the face of

1695
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: what they are being taught under those larger, broader, widely

1696
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: accepted accreditation programs.

1697
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 9: No.

1698
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 8: And that's the thing is that, you know, even though

1699
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 8: the standards underneath these accreditation would still match, Cincinnati just

1700
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 8: kind of fails to work together with state or federal

1701
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 8: when it comes to that. You know, I talked with

1702
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 8: SWAT officers and I would ask them how things going.

1703
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 8: They would say, oh, well, we can't even get funding

1704
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 8: for night vision right now. So that's when you know, like,

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01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 8: even if money is being thrown in public safety, it's

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01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 8: not going toward where it needs to go. This is

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01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 8: Cincinnati SWAP. This is a local law enforce spent that

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01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 8: it's in their name that he need tactical gear, and

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 8: they can't even get money for a night vision So

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01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 8: this is something. But then when I asked him, hey,

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01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 8: couldn't we work with the state or federal to try

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01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 8: to get more funding for this, he said, No, Cincinnati's

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01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 8: and island under himself, they won't they don't want to

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Speaker 8: work with the state or federal just because of the

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01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 8: politics of everything.

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01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: Let's pausit ring quarterback for one more. We'll first catch

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01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: ourselves a crime stopper, bad Guy the Week, Tivity, Green Officer,

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01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Greens waiting in the wings. We'll get her first, and

1719
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: we'll finish with Corey and learn about his podcast, among

1720
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: other things some forty seven right now, if you have

1721
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: KC the talk station mortgages now, would you send your

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01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: kid to the wrong person? Can and good lucky into

1723
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: where you're going Corey Bowman, I understand you have a

1724
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 1: new podcast, Yes, sir, Yeah.

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01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 8: We've been you know, kind of had it in the

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01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 8: works for a while, just kind of working with Joe.

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Speaker 8: And I want to thank Joe Schreker for all the

1728
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 8: work that he does for just not only you know

1729
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 8: y'all show, but for everything that he's got his hand into.

1730
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 8: But yeah, I believe that it's all going to be links,

1731
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 8: provided that we'll be sharing weekly and just keeping our

1732
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 8: voice out there because you know a lot of people

1733
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 8: see it as hey, you know, is there another race

1734
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 8: or you know, all this is just kind of a

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01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 8: one off. But the key aspect of last year and

1736
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 8: continues on this year. Is that we have to keep

1737
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 8: our voices loud when it comes to what's going on

1738
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:21,839
Speaker 8: in our city if we want.

1739
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 5: To see real change.

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01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, you're the man for the job. You're concerned

1741
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 1: for the city comes through in your passion and in

1742
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 1: your voice and in your day to day actions working

1743
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: hard to make the West End a better community for everyone.

1744
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, I love having you on the show and

1745
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: I will encourage my listeners to find the Corey Bowman

1746
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: podcast or whether they get their podcast yes, produced by

1747
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: my executive producer, Joe Strecker, who will be happy to

1748
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: produce anybody's podcast. Just get in touch with him. He

1749
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: does that. It's a thing. Corey Bowman. Have a great weekend.

1750
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: Be careful with the snow, and I hope people don't

1751
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: ditch church because we've got some snow on Sunday.

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01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 8: Hey, no matter what, we're going to be and you know,

1753
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 8: we encourage safety with everybody.

1754
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 7: But yeah, we'll always remain open and yeah, we're excited

1755
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 7: for a great weekend.

1756
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: Sure you are have one and best of health and

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01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: love to you and your entire family. Corey. We'll talk

1758
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: again real soon. I'm sure coming up at the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour. News Diana tell Us it'll five fifty

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Speaker 1: five kosit de talxation. Brian Thomas wishing everyone a very

1761
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: happy Friday. I hope you have some indoor plans for

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01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: the weekend, and there are warming centers in and around

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01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati the greater Cincinnati area. If you know of

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01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: an elderly person, a senior person, some with disabilities, please

1765
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: keep an eye on them out. The heat can go

1766
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: out at any time, and of course they are at risk.

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01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: Cold can be deadly. So a shout out for that

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Speaker 1: and a welcome to the fifty five CARSSY Morning Show.

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01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: Diana tell us, who's with Turning Point USA Cincinnati chapter.

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01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. You access it through empower

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01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Youamerica dot org. Power you America dot org. My listeners

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01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: are probably familiar with that. The the regular seminars class

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01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: us were class work and learning opportunities. A great opportunity

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01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: to learn there, but pivoting over upper top of the

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01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: screen an at empower Youoamerica dot or you'll see TPUSA.

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Speaker 1: Click on that. It takes you right there to the

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Speaker 1: chapter of Turning Point USA. Here in Cincinnati. Thank you,

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01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: Diana tell Us for your involvement and getting that off

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Speaker 1: the ground. Welcome to the Morning Show.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, good morning. Thanks for bringing me on to

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01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 13: talk about Turning Point. We're super excited. We have been

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01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 13: on once and we had our semester. We did our best.

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01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 13: We were brand new. We've ironed out some of the kinks.

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Speaker 13: But our first class is coming up on January the

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Speaker 13: twenty eight. So I want to say that we don't

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Speaker 13: have the web page for even for Empower used classes

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01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 13: for this coming spring semester or for Turning Point just

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01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 13: yet totally firmed up. Were very very close on both

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Speaker 13: for both both organizations, for both pieces of it, but

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01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 13: so the web page will not be as up to date.

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Speaker 13: But I would say within the next I don't know,

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Speaker 13: ten days or so, we may have something up there,

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01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 13: especially for Turning Point and empower Youse still kind of

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01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 13: ironing things out, but we are on our way here

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01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 13: with Turning Point January twenty eighth, the big deal. I mean,

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01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 13: I reach out to to see if he'll help me

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Speaker 13: out and getting the word out, and he's always so generous.

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Speaker 13: You're so generous to have us on. We've got a

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Speaker 13: new day for turning point, a new time and a

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Speaker 13: new location. So three things that I think as we

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01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 13: took a look at how our last semester went, how

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Speaker 13: we could better serve our students and our families. Because

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01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 13: we're our a unique entity, right, We're not associated with

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01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 13: the school. We're actually considered an activism hub. We serve

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01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 13: all high schoolers in Greater Cincinnati. I'll take anybody. I'm

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01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 13: not karting. Anybody who we're not worried about addresses high schoolers. Mostly.

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Speaker 13: We've even got a few waish graders. And I know

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Speaker 13: we're kind of sneaking in. That's completely fine, It's worked

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01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 13: out fine. I just want to reach students and be

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Speaker 13: that place where they can learn about servit of values,

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01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 13: about free markets, about free speech, and be in a

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Speaker 13: comfortable place. I hate to use the term safe space,

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01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 13: but a.

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Speaker 2: Place where they can kind of speak the way they

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Speaker 2: want to speak, right exactly, and you know, we can say, yeah,

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01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: the police are good that using gender pronouns, that these

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Speaker 2: these are kids who've never lived like my son, he's sixteen.

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Speaker 13: He doesn't even remember a time when we didn't talk

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Speaker 13: like that. And that's horrific because it wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 13: We didn't have to do this right, So we can

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Speaker 13: do that in our group here, and it's a place

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Speaker 13: where we can be open well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm certain your chapter is going to grow, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get the details on the daytime and location changes

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01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: here in a minute and find out what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the twenty eighth. But I guess this is one

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Speaker 1: of those instances where you know, the Lord really does

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01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 1: work in mysterious ways. Charlie Kirk outspoken. He'd been doing

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Speaker 1: this for years. I mean, he spoke truth to power,

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Speaker 1: he spoke his mind. He sprung from his religious faith,

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01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: but he held these American values and ideals dear to

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Speaker 1: his heart. He was wonderful at getting the message out

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Speaker 1: about conservative values. And then his life was taken from him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the lemonade that was made from the

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01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: lemons of that. But the beautiful, you know, the mysterious reality,

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Speaker 1: the miracle that came from that is Turning Point USA

1837
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: just blew up in terms of its people recognizing her

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01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: for what it is. People learn for the first time

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01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 1: what Turning Point USA is all about. And then next thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, all these new chapters started forming across the

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01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: whole United States. I mean, you know, maybe a martyr

1842
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,600
Speaker 1: to the cause perhaps, but what a wonderful reality that

1843
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: came out from that tragic, horrific death for.

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Speaker 13: Sure, for sure, and thank God for him. And when

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01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 13: you watch his videos, he was phenomenal at what he did,

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Speaker 13: particularly in these more recent years, which I did notice

1847
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 13: as it was happening. I did notice that, and I

1848
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 13: want to make a point of that with these kids

1849
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 13: that were working with actually are students, the young adults. Really,

1850
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 13: they all struggle. We all struggled. There was a time

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01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 13: when if you use the term GOP with somebody, you've

1852
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 13: already lost them because they don't know all the jargon

1853
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 13: and the terminology. I grew up with it. I was

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01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 13: forced to listen in Rushlumbo from when I was like

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Speaker 13: ten years old on. I get it, but not everybody does, right,

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Speaker 13: So Charlie Kirk understood it. Was a patriot always probably,

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Speaker 13: but he also had to polish himself and learn and

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01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 13: read and educate himself. I think he did the coursework

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01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 13: at Hillsdale, for example, to learn the things he needed

1860
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 13: to learn. And he knew how to debate and he

1861
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 13: practiced it, and it takes hard work to be a

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01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk. So I'd love to say we're turning out

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01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 13: Charlie kirk sative empower used Turning Points chapter. But we

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01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 13: can certainly give them the tool so that when they

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Speaker 13: go off to college, even if they grew up in

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Speaker 13: conservative household. So it's the choir, right, These kids are

1867
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 13: part the choir. They're us right. But I know a

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01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 13: couple of conservative families who sent kids off to a college,

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Speaker 13: a big one. I won't say which of the big

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Speaker 13: colleges it was that bull kids went there, came back,

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Speaker 13: you know, unrecognizable, yes, and debated their parents and badgeris

1872
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Speaker 13: them for voting for Donald Trump. They knew that their parents,

1873
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 13: They felt like their parents were part of it, and

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01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,800
Speaker 13: how could they do that? They were preamewashed. And we

1875
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 13: cannot let our young people. They're not going to get

1876
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 13: at their schools. They've got to get it somewhere. They've

1877
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 13: got to get through somewhere, and that's what we're trying

1878
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Speaker 13: to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad you brought up that the

1880
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: component of you know, some young I've had a year

1881
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: of college. I know what I'm talking about. You don't

1882
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about mom, dad, that badgering that

1883
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: goes on, Well, Charlie Kirk took that kind of criticism,

1884
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Speaker 1: that kind of badgering on headlong. Every opportunity that was

1885
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 1: given to him where someone would come up and criticize

1886
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 1: him and tell him he was wrong, he grabbed a

1887
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: bull by the horns and met that statement, that argument,

1888
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: if it was even an argument, that attack and criticism

1889
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: with facts, with logic, with reason. And I would expect

1890
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 1: any parent out there to be able to do that.

1891
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: If their their nut job left winger came back from

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01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: a doctrination camp at college, you could take them on

1893
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: if they start down that evil orange man road with

1894
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: the knowledge and the skills that you already have or

1895
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 1: do more. Adults need to take the bull by the horns,

1896
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: learn like Charlie Kirk did, and embrace the idea of

1897
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: rejecting that and go at them full bore with facts

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Speaker 1: and information.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. And Charlie Kirk taught us that he was coming

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Speaker 13: from a place of love.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 13: And I don't know if the Left thought that because

1903
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 13: they felt so bad they took it personally. It's not personal,

1904
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 13: it was it was a reality.

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Speaker 12: It was you know, his pro life stances was he

1906
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 12: was unbelievably talented at being an apologist for life and

1907
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 12: American values, you know, but he did it from a

1908
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 12: place of love.

1909
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Speaker 13: He wasn't badgering, he wasn't raising his voice, he wasn't

1910
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 13: being and he probably would spit on more times than

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01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 13: he could count and then pay the ultimate price. Yeah,

1912
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Speaker 13: he's a phenomenal example of how to push back against

1913
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 13: this craziness.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think young people could benefit

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Speaker 1: from this beyond the political realm. The idea of being

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Speaker 1: able to confidentially engage in debate. That's a skill that

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of young people lack. It's a sorely

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Speaker 1: missing skill for young people. They don't want to engage.

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Speaker 1: You want to hide isolated, curl up at a ball,

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Speaker 1: or just screen expletives at people, which is not debate

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Speaker 1: and exchange of ideas. It's just name calling. But that's

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Speaker 1: where we are at a fall positions. So I would think, yes,

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Speaker 1: this will this turning point USA empower you. Chapter will

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Speaker 1: encourage them and help them to engage in thoughtful discussion

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Speaker 1: along politics. But also you can extrapolate a life skill

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Speaker 1: that they'll bring with that'll take from these courses in

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Speaker 1: this chapter's work and use it in other areas of

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Speaker 13: Yeah, for sure, for sure, yes, and I it's been

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Speaker 13: a joy to have empower use resources to do that

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Speaker 13: and Dan and it has been very helpfuls Dance for

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Speaker 13: you know, if these kids aren't going to get this

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Speaker 13: at their schools, then they have to be able to

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Speaker 13: get it somewhere. And if we don't have our young

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Speaker 13: people and we don't bring them along in in in

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Speaker 13: patriotism and in reason and like touching grass, then if

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Speaker 13: they're not going to do it in the schools, which

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Speaker 13: they're clearly not, and I don't see that improving anytime soon,

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Speaker 13: then we can be out there for these students and

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Speaker 13: and can help them meet you know, they can put

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Speaker 13: them together so they meet each other. That was one

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Speaker 13: of bad goals with so that students, you know, like

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Speaker 13: minded students could meet each other in a in a

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Speaker 13: place like this where they had something in common and

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Speaker 13: they could speak their minds without having to worry. And

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Speaker 13: in the process our turning point chapter were because of

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Speaker 13: the nature it kind of looks a little like empower

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Speaker 13: you where we bring in speakers and some of the

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Speaker 13: adults have stayed. The parents, so that's another thing. The

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Speaker 13: parents have stuck around. And I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 13: parents they have to go away and sit in the car,

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Speaker 13: but I will say that the students really do like

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Speaker 13: to have some autonomy in this and in it and

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Speaker 13: when they're meeting with us, So we want them to talk,

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Speaker 13: We want them to have discussions. We want them to

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Speaker 13: be comfortable. And if that means we put the parents

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Speaker 13: in kind of the back room, then that's what we do.

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Speaker 13: But they've also been able to listen to reb Gross

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Speaker 13: was then talking to us, and I asked the parents

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Speaker 13: to stay, and they really enjoyed that. So there is

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Speaker 13: some family, you know, togetherness at times with our meeting.

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Speaker 13: So it's good for everybody, really, all right.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an important question to ask. Now, Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk's message sprung and was born of his profound faith

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Speaker 1: in God, I mean the devout and of course some

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Speaker 1: of his messages sprung from that. And you can extrapolate

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Speaker 1: a conservative political message, you know, based upon your religious foundations.

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Speaker 1: Is turning Point usays Chapter through empower You America? Would

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Speaker 1: you call it a religious organization? Will you be teaching

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Speaker 1: about you know, like things biblical or are you just

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Speaker 1: going to let the political message prevail or is it

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Speaker 1: a combination.

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Speaker 13: That good question. Yeah, you know, that's a good question

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Speaker 13: because faith is definitely part of that message. And I

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Speaker 13: will say this Turning Point has a curriculum for the

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Speaker 13: high schoolers that they offer up, and it doesn't quite

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Speaker 13: fit for what we're doing because we're not in a

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Speaker 13: school and like parents and students both have to drive,

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Speaker 13: you know, sometimes across town to get to our meeting.

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Speaker 13: So we do it a little different. It packs a

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Speaker 13: different kind of punch, if that makes any sense. So

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Speaker 13: the curriculum that you might do after when you stay

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Speaker 13: after school with you know, on every Tuesday, or whatever

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Speaker 13: they do with the high schools, probably not enough high

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Speaker 13: schools even have a chapter from the looks of the

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Speaker 13: that's offered. It's fine for that setting, but for ours,

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Speaker 13: I needed to have it a little more heavy heading.

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Speaker 13: And as far as faith, it will always bring faith

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Speaker 13: into the conversation. We had Donna Murphy from Heaven Dane

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Speaker 13: came in last semester, late last semester, right before Christmas

1991
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Speaker 13: and talked about the pro life message. And there's plenty

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Speaker 13: of faith in that I've got a gentleman that I'm

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Speaker 13: very good friends with. John Kersey is his name, mased

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Speaker 13: from Cleveland, and he's a professor. He's coming down to

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Speaker 13: talk to Turning Point on the March eighteenth, actually, and

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Speaker 13: he's a very faithful man. And he's a journalist and

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Speaker 13: a professor and a conservative and he's just phenomenal and

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Speaker 13: he's a great speaker. And I asked him to join

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Speaker 13: us in Turning Point. And I don't know what message

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Speaker 13: he's going to give yet, but you can be you

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Speaker 13: can bet it will be peppered with a message you know,

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Speaker 13: of faith. So and he could talk on any number

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Speaker 13: of things, but we'll always be bringing faith into the

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Speaker 13: conversation for sure, for sure. So yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 13: he'll be and empower you the following day talking about

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Speaker 13: Jesse Allens.

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Speaker 1: The one two times straight. That's good. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing the semester.

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Speaker 13: Bring them down. We're going to use them.

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Speaker 1: Yeats my guess right now with this segment, Diana tell

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Speaker 1: Us from the Turning Point chapter via empower You America

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Speaker 1: dot org. You mentioned early on daytime location. Sounded to

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Speaker 1: me like there's going to be a shift in when

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Speaker 1: these were going to take place, not the where though,

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Speaker 1: is it still at uh empower You Studios at Scarlett

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Speaker 1: Oaks Campus, three hundred Great Oaks Drive, Are you moving venue?

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Speaker 13: Not there yet? That is still empower You, that's still

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Speaker 13: empower You meeting space. For sure. We pivoted a little differently.

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Speaker 13: We did new day, new time, and new location. So

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Speaker 13: I'm super excited about this. So already Cafe on Reading

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Speaker 13: Road and Sharonville is hosting us.

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Speaker 14: We generally will be meeting there on Wednesdays. I want

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Speaker 14: to say it's every other Wednesday, but we may have

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Speaker 14: some hops in the calendar where we're not quite following exactly,

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Speaker 14: but we are going to be meetings there on the

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Speaker 14: twenty eighth.

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Speaker 13: It's upstairs. She's got an upstairs space there was very

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Speaker 13: excited to have us. It's external, like she's not open,

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Speaker 13: but it's external. So we'll make our way up there.

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Speaker 13: And there's a really nice, really nice space. It's comfortable

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Speaker 13: with couches, it's very homeye and we'll be a great

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Speaker 13: place for the students to We know what size, you

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Speaker 13: know what we need, and we didn't need that big

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Speaker 13: studio space that they have over at Grade Oak. So

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Speaker 13: This is a more comfortable way of doing it, I think,

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Speaker 13: And there isn't an adult space that they could sit.

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Speaker 13: The adults could sit down the hall in a smaller

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Speaker 13: room kind of keep an eye on things if they

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Speaker 13: want to. But you know a lot of them have

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Speaker 13: driven around town to get to this meeting, so there

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Speaker 13: is room for them as well. So the meeting will

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Speaker 13: start at six point thirty, which is another improvement over

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Speaker 13: over what we were doing with Empower. You we were

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Speaker 13: kind of piggybacking on the space we already had. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: so this is going to be better. And then we

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Speaker 13: did off for Wednesday so that we could take advantage

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Speaker 13: of you know, if I ever needed Dan to come

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Speaker 13: over to work with us at Turning Point, Dan wouldn't

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Speaker 13: be busy on Thursday, you know, on a Thursday, on

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Speaker 13: the same night. It just it just made it better.

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Speaker 13: We could get we could get help in different ways

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Speaker 13: by changing the day of the week.

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Speaker 1: I certainly under the understand the reasons for the logistical changes.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be six thirty pm. It's taking

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Speaker 1: place at the already cafe, and the next Turning Point

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Speaker 1: USA meeting is on the twenty eighth of this month,

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Speaker 1: But I got all that right.

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Speaker 13: You got that right.

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Speaker 1: And then the twenty eight who's going to be speaking

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Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth, Diana tell us we.

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Speaker 13: Have got Dusi Khan, who's a local author who will

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Speaker 13: be talking about her experiences in communist Czechoslovakia and her family.

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Speaker 13: She was very young, she wrote a book called Like Swans.

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Speaker 13: So'll be bringing books with her and we will be

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Speaker 13: giving those away. We've got somebody, we're a lovely ladies

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Speaker 13: who Hardenberg is donating books for our students and we'll

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Speaker 13: be looking at that book. The kids will go home

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Speaker 13: with it, but she'll be talking about for experience. I

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Speaker 13: really really wanted to hit on early this year. I

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Speaker 13: wanted to talk about socialism and communism early on because

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Speaker 13: of New York City and the news and I'm hearing

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Speaker 13: it too too much that young people feel like, you know,

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Speaker 13: it's a difficult thing for me to understand that.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you kids. The frustration is I understand that

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Speaker 1: that could My show's built on that kind of frustration.

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Speaker 1: Did I'm sorry you every day? Well, I thank you,

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Speaker 1: and we're out of time, but I want to wish

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Speaker 1: you in the turning point, USA chapter again and Howerreoamerica

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Speaker 1: dot org. Click on the link up at TPUSA. At

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Speaker 1: the top, Diana tell us all the best of luck

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Speaker 1: in the world. I encourage my listeners if you've got

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Speaker 1: some young people out there that you know of your own,

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Speaker 1: perhaps your neighbors, you know, high school age roughly, that's

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Speaker 1: who we need in engaged in this process and turning point. Ussays,

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Speaker 1: empower your America chapters doing just that. Diana, great work.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome here in the morning show anytime to spread

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Speaker 1: the word about TPUSA. Here, God bless you have a

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Speaker 1: wonderful weekend and be safe. Eight twenty two. Right now,

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD Talk Station in the return of Jack

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Speaker 1: wins Or, editor in chief of the Ihio Press Network.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us at the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 1: I hope you can stick around.

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Speaker 6: Fifty five krc.

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Speaker 1: Hey, twenty nine, Here, fifty five KRCD Talk Station. It's Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy about it, and I don't care what snow's coming.

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Speaker 1: Just happy it's Friday, and I'm happy. I'm aloud to

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Speaker 1: bring back to the fifty five Cars Morning Show. At

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Speaker 1: this time Jack Windsor, he's editor in chief of the

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Speaker 1: Hoio Press Network is also host of The Windsor Report.

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Speaker 1: You can find him on zoom wherever you get your podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back and Happy Friday to you. Jack. It's

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Speaker 1: great seeing your face.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 15: It's an honor to join you and the discerning listeners

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Speaker 15: of fifty five KRC this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for acknowledging the quality of my listening audience. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's a tough the smarter your audience, you know this,

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Speaker 1: the tougher your job is. And I'm always embarrassed when

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Speaker 1: I cannot adequately cope with in one of the caller's

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Speaker 1: questions about like, let's say, a case that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to know about, I'm like, oh, man, I'm lost in

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Speaker 1: the shuffle of all this information. We know about California,

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Speaker 1: we know about Minnesota in terms of fraud and what's

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Speaker 1: been revealed so far. How about how does Ohio compared

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Speaker 1: to those two states, Jack Windsor, That's.

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Speaker 15: A great question, great, great question. So I want to

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Speaker 15: take you back and then bring you back to the present.

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Speaker 15: You'll remember Ohio's pandemic era unemployment system experienced significant failures,

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Speaker 15: resulting in about three point eight billion in improper payments now,

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Speaker 15: further exacerbating Ohio's challenges. You'll remember State Representative Mike de

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Speaker 15: Villa's twenty twenty five investigation into Medicaid right into the

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Speaker 15: wheelhouse of your caller, revealed preliminary findings of at least

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Speaker 15: six billion annually flowing without adequate checks potentially too ineligible recipients,

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Speaker 15: obviously emphasizing the critical imperative for rigorous eligibility verification to

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Speaker 15: stem substantial drain on state resources as well as federal

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Speaker 15: resources that combine with those state resources in Medicaid. Now

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Speaker 15: flash forward to now twenty twenty six. Ohio's Department of

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Speaker 15: Children and Youth Programs I found out last week from

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Speaker 15: a lawmaker from auditor at Keith Faber, has identified two

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Speaker 15: million dollars in improper distributions to childcare centers. However, here's

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Speaker 15: the asterisk. Brian, my independent scrutiny in Columbus in one

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Speaker 15: day alone uncovered what appears to be six and a

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Speaker 15: half million in questionable payments to entities like Somali Education

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Speaker 15: Resource Center. With ongoing investigations in my world, I think

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Speaker 15: we will reveal additional instances of waste fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 15: That really will, I think, further compel the legislative process.

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Speaker 15: There are a couple of bills already drafted that are

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Speaker 15: in play, and I think that we should start looking

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Speaker 15: for prosecutorial action. One of the bills would give the

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Speaker 15: Ohio Attorney General authority to prosecute these cases, because one

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Speaker 15: of the challenges, Brian, is that sometimes local prosecutors are

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Speaker 15: maybe they're well intended, but they're not prosecuting crimes. So

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Speaker 15: Ohio has a significant issue. And my big heartburn on

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Speaker 15: all of it is there appear to.

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Speaker 3: Be systemic issues.

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Speaker 15: And when you have a governor sitting in the governor's

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Speaker 15: chair who says, well, it's just the cost of doing business,

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Speaker 15: we have a problem. And I think that we're going

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Speaker 15: to uncover we have a significant, significant, systemic issue here

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Speaker 15: in the Buckeye State.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm a little, i guess troubled by the reality.

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Speaker 1: And apparently AG does not have the authority to go

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Speaker 1: after these and you know, you may be deleicate and

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Speaker 1: with your wording on local prosecutors and their desires to

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Speaker 1: go after fraud, waste, and abuse in among the illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrant community or anywhere else for that matter. But yes,

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Speaker 1: there are very politically active left wing prosecutors who wouldn't

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Speaker 1: touch it with a ten foot poll for political reasons.

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Speaker 1: So we can't count on our own criminal justice system

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Speaker 1: to look out for Republican Democrat, communists, socialists, whoever's paying

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Speaker 1: taxes dollars. This transcends politics, Jack Windsor, this is not

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Speaker 1: about politics. It's about fraud, waste and abuse.

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Speaker 15: It is about fraud, waste and abuse, and it is

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Speaker 15: an absolute crying shame when you have aiders and a

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Speaker 15: betters who are pretending to be judges and prosecutors that

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Speaker 15: seem to be cut in on the deals.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 15: That's why I always say elections matter, elections matter, elections

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Speaker 15: matter well.

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Speaker 1: And then they go out and they enter this this

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Speaker 1: it's like a child, a petulant child holding his ears

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Speaker 1: and putting his hands over is a you know, closing

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Speaker 1: his eyes and going l. I don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear it. It happened on your watch. The buck stops

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Speaker 1: at your desk, governor, whoever that's our money, do something

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Speaker 1: about it. You mentioned this one giving the Attorney general

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Speaker 1: authority to do these prosecutions. That's great. Again, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize we even need to go through this step. But

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Speaker 1: what are the other bills that are being discussed and

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Speaker 1: who would possibly be against them?

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Speaker 15: Jack, Great, great question. Well, there is a bill from

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Speaker 15: Phil Plummer from the Dayton area, and his bill has

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Speaker 15: the prosecutorial power going over to the attorney general. But

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Speaker 15: also Lawmaker Josh Williams up there in the Toledo area, who,

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Speaker 15: by the way, is also running for Congress in District nine.

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Speaker 15: If he wins the Republican nomination, he will square off

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Speaker 15: against fixture in DC, Marcy Captor, who's been a Democrat

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Speaker 15: lawmaker as long as I've been alive, it seems.

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Speaker 3: But I digress.

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Speaker 15: Williams bill actually is one that would require as well,

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Speaker 15: real time video cameras in these daycare centers. Now, there

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Speaker 15: are people who have a penchant for privacy who are saying,

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Speaker 15: wait a minute, that might be over the line. And

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Speaker 15: what Williams is saying. He was on my show earlier

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Speaker 15: this week he said, well, look, we already do this

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Speaker 15: in places like the YMCA.

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Speaker 3: As long as we have proper guardrails.

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Speaker 15: We should be able to see into those daycare centers

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Speaker 15: to make sure, h here's a great idea, there are

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Speaker 15: actually students in those daycare centers if they are receiving

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Speaker 15: public funds. And so it appears that both of those

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Speaker 15: bills have Republican support, although I would guess that Josh

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Speaker 15: Williams bill might get some pushback because there are people

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Speaker 15: who go, well, what do you go, what kind of

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Speaker 15: images are you going to take of Johnny? And how

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Speaker 15: do I know that somebody's not going to misuse them?

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Speaker 15: And I remind people we do have to put safeguards

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Speaker 15: in place, but this thing is as old as time.

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Speaker 3: Brian.

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Speaker 15: There's a proverb that says the borrower is servant to

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Speaker 15: the lender. When you take tax dollars. Guess what you

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Speaker 15: are servant to the people who give you those tax dollars.

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Speaker 15: And you ought to expect that there is proper oversight

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Speaker 15: to make sure that the dollars are being used for

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Speaker 15: the things that you promised they would be used for.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've kind of advocated that in the past for

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Speaker 1: a public school class rooms for parents only, not evil

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Speaker 1: perverts out there who might want to just voyeuristically watch children,

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Speaker 1: but for parents to have secure access so they can

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Speaker 1: at least hear what their children are being taught in classroom? Right,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 3: It kind of makes sense, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: But here's the other thing.

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Speaker 15: There are some independents, there are some people who are

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Speaker 15: on the conservative right who would go, oh, this is

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Speaker 15: a surveillance state.

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Speaker 3: This is surveillance state.

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Speaker 15: I remind them that when you carry this thing around,

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Speaker 15: you can't see me on the video I'm holding up

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Speaker 15: my smartphone.

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Speaker 3: Guess what, You're already being surveilled.

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Speaker 15: Say something today and just watch if the product that

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Speaker 15: you mentioned doesn't show up on your Facebook or x feeed,

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Speaker 15: we're already being surveilled.

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Speaker 1: We are. And that's something I've had to come to

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Speaker 1: grips with myself because I probably would have been in

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Speaker 1: the camp about no surveillance date because I call myself

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Speaker 1: a little il libertarian and I don't like state you know,

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Speaker 1: or welly in action. But we're talking about children here.

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Speaker 1: In the case of the schools, many cases, these centers

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, whether they're leering or learning, there are

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Speaker 1: young people. They need to have constant attention by parents

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Speaker 1: who really, really truly care pivoting over it's our taxpayer

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Speaker 1: money that that is even open as a place to

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Speaker 1: send children. There's another reason for us to know whether

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Speaker 1: there's anything even going on in the building. Not a

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Speaker 1: very big road to ho there. Jack Winsor will bring

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Speaker 1: it back. Go to the ohiopressnetwork dot com book market.

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Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did more with Jack Windsor coming out.

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Speaker 6: Stick around fifty five KRC from fifty.

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Speaker 1: Five KRC the talk station. Hey, forty one fifty five

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Speaker 1: krcd talk station. I always enjoy having Jack Windsor on

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Speaker 1: the show, and we got a braack right now through

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Speaker 1: the close of the show. A couple more segments with Jack.

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Speaker 1: You can find them online the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com

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Speaker 1: and also find his podcast or his his zoom thing

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Speaker 1: going on at the Windsor Report. I think we missed well.

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Speaker 1: I did a real quick search, Jack wins they're talking

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Speaker 1: about you mentioned the six billion dollars of medicaid fraud

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Speaker 1: here in the state of Ohio alone. I just looked

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Speaker 1: up how much Ohio collection property taxes. Obviously a real

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Speaker 1: problem for ohioan's property taxes, and they're trying to do

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Speaker 1: legislative fixes, and we know that they're on it. We

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Speaker 1: think there's going to be a petition now to maybe

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Speaker 1: put a eradication of Ohio property taxes on the in

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Speaker 1: the constitution. Chaos kind of thing, it will ensue, at

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Speaker 1: least we learned that from our elected officials. But twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two calendar year nineteen and a half billion collected

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars just in medicaid fraud that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: in the last segment, that's twenty five percent of the

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Speaker 1: entire property tax and that's just one program. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they if they went out and ferreted out all

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Speaker 1: the fraud wasted abuse cer he did a great job

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Speaker 1: of cracking down. Let's say they got ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: what's currently being stolen. It seems like that would go

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Speaker 1: a long way to solving our property tax problem. Jack right.

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Speaker 15: I mean, one of the things I really appreciate, appreciate

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Speaker 15: about State Representative Mike Tavilla, who is the guy who

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Speaker 15: did the deep dive into Ohio Medicaid and by the way,

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Speaker 15: the auditor is still looking into that.

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Speaker 3: More reports will come out. But he is also the

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Speaker 3: guy who has.

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Speaker 15: Introduced this zero based budget idea, saying that every decade

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Speaker 15: we go back to zero.

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Speaker 3: And if you're a.

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Speaker 15: State agency, you have to prove one that you should exist,

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Speaker 15: and two you have to account for why you need

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Speaker 15: every penny that the General Assembly would hand over to you.

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Speaker 15: I think that's the type of rigor that we need

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Speaker 15: in the system, because again, you have a governor and

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Speaker 15: maybe even a Republican party that for decades has gone, Wow,

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Speaker 15: that's just kind of the cost of doing business hogwash,

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Speaker 15: because if you can collect, I mean, it's kind of

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Speaker 15: like Jesus using, you know, five loaves and two fish

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Speaker 15: to feed everybody, right, Imagine if we just picked up

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Speaker 15: the crumbs once in a while, we'd have enough twelve

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Speaker 15: baskets to go feed everybody. I mean, we've got to

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Speaker 15: stop treating taxpayer dollars as if they don't matter, because

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Speaker 15: at the end of.

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Speaker 1: The day, they do, absolutely do. And again, I view

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Speaker 1: this as totally non partisan. Totally non partisan, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just pivot work because I do it all

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Speaker 1: the time. But I need the opportunity to get it

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Speaker 1: out of my system. When I think about it, I

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Speaker 1: viewed school choice as totally non partisan. I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you're in a commedy house, why wouldn't you want

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to send your kids to wherever the hell

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Speaker 1: you want. You know what is political about that? The

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Speaker 1: only people it might harm are the teachers union because

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Speaker 1: it's going to force them to learn how to compete

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Speaker 1: with the higher performing schools that they're competing with. For

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Speaker 1: a change, God, what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 15: Now, let me peeve everybody off by saying what I'm

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Speaker 15: about to say.

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Speaker 3: I just am amazed.

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Speaker 15: I'm in awe at how often progressives stumble out of

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Speaker 15: the gate. I always think about a racehorse track, you know,

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Speaker 15: the horses come out of the shoot. These guys trip

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Speaker 15: like the first two steps. Let me give you an example.

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Speaker 15: They're all about choice, man. If they want an abortion,

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Speaker 15: it's my body, my choice. But when it was COVID,

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Speaker 15: it was your body and my choice that you need

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Speaker 15: to mask and get a mandated vaccine. And now they're saying, well,

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Speaker 15: it's your student, it's my choice. I don't think you

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Speaker 15: should have it.

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Speaker 3: These people are so bast awkwards man, that's the problem.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, I think we should all love liberty to

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Speaker 15: the point that we actually trust the adults in the

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Speaker 15: room if they can be adults. And at the end

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Speaker 15: of the day, if you come from a COMMI house

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Speaker 15: go look for a Kami school to send your kid.

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Speaker 15: I should be able to send my kid to a

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Speaker 15: school that teaches reading, writing, arithmetic.

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Speaker 1: Classical education is exactly what I would choose for my

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Speaker 1: children if we do it all over again, although fortunately

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Speaker 1: I got them through the public schools before they went

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Speaker 1: full on far left woke bent. We can continue our

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Speaker 1: conversation with Jack Windsor. The Ohio Teachers Union apparently has

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Speaker 1: made a stance on ice continuing an education theme. Plus,

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Speaker 1: he interviewed vvk Ramaswaman the other day and I have

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Speaker 1: done that as well. Great guy, next governor of the

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio. We'll find out what Jack learned from

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Speaker 1: v VAK after these Don't Go Away eight fifty five

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Speaker 1: carcy De Talk Station. Thank you jose Jrekker, Little Dead

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's there on the show on some fun bumper music.

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Speaker 1: And thank you Jack Windsor for agreeing to peer back

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Speaker 1: on the firty five Fersey Morning Show. We'll enjoy our conversations.

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Speaker 1: I'll encourage my listeners to bookmark and regularly check it

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Speaker 1: out the Ohio Press Network, where you find Jack and

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Speaker 1: those working hard to bring these matters to our attention

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Speaker 1: and of course to speak truth to power, pivoting over

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Speaker 1: to the Teachers' union itself, I guess pardon me, wants

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Speaker 1: to understand why they would even take a stance on ICE,

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Speaker 1: given that they're supposed to be educators. But they did,

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Speaker 1: I suppose Jack windsor what's the story here with the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Teachers Union.

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Speaker 15: The Ohio Education Association represents about one hundred thousand educators,

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Speaker 15: and they've issued some directives opposing ICE enforcement as it

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Speaker 15: would relate to resisting warrants if they're not signed by judges,

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Speaker 15: so administrative warrants, and to refer federal agents to administrators. Now,

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Speaker 15: to be real, frank, that all makes sense legally and logistically.

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Speaker 3: However, where THEE.

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Speaker 15: Went off the proverbial cliff was when their president, Jeff

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Speaker 15: Wensingh said OEA opposes ICE enforcement in or near schools.

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Speaker 15: That's the first red flag. And then he framed schools

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Speaker 15: as so called safe zones. So what he's saying without

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Speaker 15: saying it is ICE makes the schools unsafe. And then

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Speaker 15: the third thing that he said was, well, look, we

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Speaker 15: prize the opportunity to educate all kids, and the people

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Speaker 15: who support that go, well, he's just following the letter

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Speaker 15: of the law and giving resources. And there are some

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Speaker 15: school districts Columbus Hilliard have condemned ICE activities, citing fear

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Speaker 15: among immigrant communities and vowing to protect all students. But

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Speaker 15: here's the issue. Far from fostering unity, this resistance to

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Speaker 15: me erodes the foundational principle of law and order, which

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Speaker 15: is what we should be reflecting in our schools and

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Speaker 15: that schools should instill in every student. And it's prioritizing

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Speaker 15: the accommodation of illegal immigration over accountability and citizenship. And

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Speaker 15: here's the bottom line. We have unlimited ones and limited resources.

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Speaker 15: So you have a certain amount of time and a

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Speaker 15: certain amount of money, and that time and that money

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Speaker 15: ought to be devoted to the students who are there legally.

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Speaker 15: That's one of the challenges that many people have with this.

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Speaker 15: And by the way, the same people who are clamoring

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Speaker 15: and want the people who are there illegally to be

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Speaker 15: educated are also the people that will tell you there

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Speaker 15: aren't enough funds in our school system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe going back to fraud, waste and abuse, Jack,

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Speaker 1: we got like six billion dollars we could round up

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Speaker 1: for medicaid. Hey, why not use that or whatever, considering

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Speaker 1: your point a very valid one finite amount of dollars

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Speaker 1: and an infant number of needs and demands on government

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Speaker 1: to use that money for all. Right, This sounds to me, Jack,

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Speaker 1: if I was in front of a classroom, if I

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Speaker 1: was an educator, this topic sounds like a wonderful civics

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Speaker 1: lesson opportunity. You can explain the concept of federal laws

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Speaker 1: and federal supremacy. You can talk about the concept of

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Speaker 1: the laws that are on the books regarding who is

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Speaker 1: lawfully in our country and who is not. Now, then

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Speaker 1: you subset and say we can have a disagreement on

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Speaker 1: the state of the law. We could argue about whether

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Speaker 1: that's a good law or a bad law, and we

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Speaker 1: can make decisions in a democratic society representative form of government,

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Speaker 1: of course, giving an opportunity to talk about that, to

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Speaker 1: elect people who will either abide by that because we

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Speaker 1: like it, or change it because we don't. This is

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Speaker 1: how it works. Though the Feds are allowed to do this.

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Speaker 1: I am maybe personally against it, but it is lawful.

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Speaker 1: It's a great civics lesson.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would be a great you should teach that.

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Speaker 3: You should teach that because at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: That's what I've been screaming for weeks.

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Speaker 15: You have the legislative branch that makes laws, the executive

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Speaker 15: branch that enforces laws, and the judicial branch that handles

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Speaker 15: the squabbles. These guys, these agents are actually going out

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Speaker 15: and enforcing the law. That's their constitutional prerogative. That these

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Speaker 15: are laws that have been enacted by Congress. And so

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Speaker 15: we can squabble over a warrant signed by a judge

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Speaker 15: versus a warrant signed by an administrator. But at the

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Speaker 15: end of the day, even the courts have said, if

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Speaker 15: it is a you know, final pickup, they have the authority,

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Speaker 15: even with an administrative warrant, to go in and do that.

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Speaker 15: And I'm going to remind people, Brian, I didn't think

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Speaker 15: I was going to go down this alley, but I will.

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Speaker 15: The number one issue when we talk about the bad

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Speaker 15: people being here are gang members, right MS thirteen trendy Arragua. Well,

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Speaker 15: guess what the wheelhouse for those gang members ages fifteen

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Speaker 15: to twenty three. And I will remind you we picked

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Speaker 15: up a twenty three year old gang member in Perry'sburg,

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Speaker 15: Ohio who was posing as a sixteen year old student

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Speaker 15: in the school. So to pretend like we're going after

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Speaker 15: innocent children is not the full story. Sometimes there are

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Speaker 15: gang members in the school, and shame on the schools

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Speaker 15: for not doing their due diligence to make sure that

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Speaker 15: the student enrolled is the actual student.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, Louiz, you know here I was thinking, maybe they

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Speaker 1: were just going into schools to get educators who are

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Speaker 1: unlawfully in our country who may have been convict that

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Speaker 1: of child molestation or something. You got adults going to

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Speaker 1: your high school. Isn't that something political stripe, regardless that

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Speaker 1: you don't want to have happening. I would think most

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Speaker 1: people logically and reasonably would say yeah, But we don't

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Speaker 1: live in a logical and reasonable time, Jack windsor pivoting

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Speaker 1: over the man. I have been impressed by vvik Ramaswami

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Speaker 1: ever since I interviewed him at his book Woke Incorporated.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant Man. He is demonstrably successful, proven businessman, has solutions,

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Speaker 1: has answers, knows how business works, knows where the problems

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Speaker 1: are that we all face, the struggles with the regulatory structure,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So not a proven political candidate,

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Speaker 1: but a proven demonstrably competent man who can manage conversation too. Boy,

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Speaker 1: he is brilliant when it comes to conversation. Jack, you

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Speaker 1: interviewed him the other day. What was your takeaway?

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Speaker 15: My takeaway, there's an old proverb that comes to mind,

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Speaker 15: where there is no vision, that people will perish, and

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Speaker 15: vivik Ramaswami has a vision. He has a vision for

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Speaker 15: bold change and many people are attracted to that vision.

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Speaker 15: One of the things we talked about in the interview

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Speaker 15: yesterday is his gubernatorial fundraising records nine point eight million

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Speaker 15: in the second half of twenty twenty five, pushing the

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Speaker 15: total for the year to nearly twenty million dollars heading

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Speaker 15: into twenty twenty six. That is a boatload of money.

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Speaker 15: And then to your point about him being a political outsider,

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Speaker 15: I asked him, why did you choose Senate President Rob

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Speaker 15: McCully as your running mate? And he said, Senate President

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Speaker 15: McCully is a strong leader who's well respected by the

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Speaker 15: members of the General Assembly. He knows Ohio and not

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Speaker 15: only brings geographical balance, but he has the ability to

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Speaker 15: go to lawmakers and make the changes on the lawbooks

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Speaker 15: that we'll need so that we're not just implementing changes

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Speaker 15: by executive order.

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Speaker 1: And last time I talked to it's kind of funny

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Speaker 1: you brought that element up. Jack is because I said, so,

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Speaker 1: he knows the sausage making process, right, Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I've been outsider. He's been through this whole time.

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Speaker 1: He's a well oiled machine to get the stuff run through.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a great one two punch, and I embrace

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Speaker 1: him for that, Jack Windsor keep up the great work, man.

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Speaker 1: I check out your site all the time for my

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Speaker 1: listeners again, the Ohio pres Network. Joe Strec will put

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Speaker 1: dot com. Joe Strek will put a link up to

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Speaker 1: that on my blog page fifty five KC dot com

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Speaker 1: along with link to this conversation. Jack, I welcome the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to have you back on the fifty five Casceny

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. So have a great week, have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Be safe out there, try to stay off the road,

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Speaker 1: stay warm, and we will talk very soon.