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Speaker 1: Proby Billy Cunningham, the Great American and once again a

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Speaker 1: lot of fast breaking events. A couple hours ago, Ambassador

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Speaker 1: of Mike Waltz, the US Ambassador in the UN, laid

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Speaker 1: out the case against Maduro. And it's interesting how just

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Speaker 1: about three months ago Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, talked about, hey, gringo,

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Speaker 1: come get me. If you think you can get me

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Speaker 1: out of here, come get me, kind of fafo. And

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Speaker 1: he found out what happened. Joining you and I now

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Speaker 1: is brad winstrip He's now a private citizen, but he

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Speaker 1: spent about twelve years in the Congress. As you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a colonel retired US military, fought in the Rock.

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Speaker 1: And also in February he was appointed to President Trump's

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Speaker 1: Intelligence Advisory Board. And brad Winstrop, welcome again to the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And can you kind of lay out

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Speaker 1: on Saturday morning Friday night against Maduro? Layout the case?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, essentially it comes down to several main things.

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Speaker 2: Is for the safety of America, the security of America,

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Speaker 2: the well being of America, and for prosperity for the

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Speaker 2: American people. And what's happening within our hemisphere is a

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Speaker 2: problem that we need to be concerned about. Then you

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Speaker 2: can go back to the Row doctrine. Then they had

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Speaker 2: concerns about this, that we need to protect our hemisphere,

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Speaker 2: that it needs to belong to us. I mean, And

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Speaker 2: basically what we did is this mission was a combination

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Speaker 2: of military and law enforcement, no doubt, but it was

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Speaker 2: drug offenses. And it was a tremendous success. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's important to take a second back. And I

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Speaker 2: guess maybe it's my military side that wants to brag

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Speaker 2: about this, but there was no loss of American lives.

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Speaker 2: They've suppressed their air defense, they cut their power, they

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Speaker 2: got past guards and nikely Cuban defense. We operated from

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Speaker 2: twenty bases using a H fifty aircraft. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the guy wakes up, the basically unelected leader of Venezuela

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Speaker 2: You know, this guy was indicted on drugs, weapons, human trafficking.

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Speaker 2: He defied election results. Gonzalez Edmundo Gonzalez was a clear winner.

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Speaker 2: It's basically a post election coup with communists type of support.

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Speaker 2: He's a leader of what they call cartelov sons dealing

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Speaker 2: in cocaine and machine guns. But you know, from our

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Speaker 2: drugs alone. I get that, and that's important to note,

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Speaker 2: but that was a big part of it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: as a country after nine to eleven, we lost three

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Speaker 2: thousand people, sadly, and we went to war for twenty

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Speaker 2: Americans to overdoses between ages eighteen to forty five. It's

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Speaker 2: killing our next generation. And nothing was done or even

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Speaker 2: said about it. Another Biden administration for Madua, they had

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Speaker 2: a twenty five million dollar bounty on him if someone

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Speaker 2: so we're here, we are, We've got precedents. You've got

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Speaker 2: people now yelling, oh, Trump can't just take us to war.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't an action of war. And some people in

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Speaker 2: Congress need know the difference. And not only that, this

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Speaker 2: previously with Noriega and Panama under George H. W. Bush,

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Speaker 2: Noriega was not recognized as a leader of the country.

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Speaker 2: There is Maduro. But we need to stabilize the Western

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Speaker 2: talking about communist countries basically coming in and de facto

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Speaker 2: colonizing countries. But you know, you saw Kennedy actoring the

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Speaker 2: Cuban missile crisis. President Obama had a kill list. He

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Speaker 2: US interests in our citizens. You know, was Reagan not

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Speaker 1: And I have a long list of Obama. What Obama

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Speaker 1: some information about the terrorists who were responsible for the

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Speaker 1: there was no calls by the Democrats against Biden whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: But getting back to Venezuela, you were on the Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Now talk about Hesbelah, which I found incredible. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: So this this isn't just South America. This is a base.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is this okay? And why are you willing

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Speaker 2: They're the ones that have something to lose here, because

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Speaker 2: they have everything to gain by being engaged with dictators

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Speaker 2: as the Monroe doctors said, not in this hemisphere, and

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is sticking with that. Teddy Roosevelt was behind

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Speaker 2: you're right. January second of twenty twenty six, Maduro is

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Speaker 2: I think that Mike Wallaz did a good job today

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Speaker 2: what is next. What is next with this is, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're going to give diplomacy a chance, just like Maduro

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Speaker 2: had he had the opportunity. He had the opportunity. Maybe

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Speaker 2: but we weren't. We offered diplomacy. He said, no, thank you, Well,

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Speaker 2: that this president says what he means, and we're doing

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Speaker 2: in this case as well. And you've seen other statements

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Speaker 2: And we need to see that ministers resign, not just

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Speaker 2: some changes here. Let's have some conversation. Dismantle the whole

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Speaker 1: And Colonel Winstrip, we had a conversation reported by the

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Speaker 1: He said you're going to you're indict it, We're going

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Speaker 1: And he kind of laughed about that. Come get me.

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Speaker 1: And then the President had called Airdwan, who's the leader

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Speaker 1: You take a plane. You can go to Istanbul. You

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously details of these types of things you don't

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Speaker 2: Our intelligence is obviously very good to know exactly what

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Speaker 2: And this is something that all of Americas should be

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Speaker 2: And these were US citizens killed them. Yeah, so you know,

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Speaker 1: They offered him, and he said, you can't do this.

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Speaker 1: Colonel Reinstrip, thank you very much for coming this Monday

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Speaker 1: afternoon on the Bill Cunningham Show. The future is brighter

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Speaker 1: with the president we have and brad Winstrip, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, and may God bless you and God bless America.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Bill.

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