WEBVTT - 1-3-26 Ken Broo 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.040 Now your host Ken Brown on News radio seven hundred WLW. 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:15.960 There you murd it an extraction from Venezuela overnight. As 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.280 our Gary Jeff Walker said this morning, in this week 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:23.200 of transfer portals in college football, Nicholas Medoro and his 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.239 wife have entered the transfer portal and they have a 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.600 visit in New York this week in front of a 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.680 in front of a jury, in front of a judge 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.000 on indictment charges. The legalities of all this are interesting. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.040 The political ramification of what has occurred is interesting. And 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.760 apparently now the United States is running Venezuela. I don't 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.000 know where to begin on this one other than the 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.239 guy was a thug and I'm glad he's gone by 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:49.120 hooker by crook. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:50.400 But on the other. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.240 Standpoint, you're going to probably see a lot of legal 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.240 hoops that the United States is going to have to 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.720 jump through, and the howling on the left has already begun. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.800 Things are getting crazy, And when things get crazy politically, 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.600 I want to bring in doctor bo Cabala. He is 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.280 the tall estate professor of law and doctor how are 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:12.600 you on this glorious Saturday? 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:14.200 Doing great? 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.800 Thanks for having me, ken Ye talk about an extraordinary day. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.840 Yeah, I'm saying I was enraptured by the whole extra 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.200 extraction of these two people. And then out of the blues, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.200 Trump says, and we're going to be running Venezuela. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.319 How does that work? How can he do that well? 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:33.679 Direct? 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.840 And to the point of course Vice President now has 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:43.280 already been sworn in, and the noble laureate in Venezuela, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.160 Maria Machado, has expressed tremendous hope. So you know, I 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:52.120 think in the interim, to ensure an orderly transition of power, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.360 the US will be will be running things. I didn't 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.080 take that to be a sort of long term declaration 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.480 of conquest by any means. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:01:59.880 Yep. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.639 And he re sizes or will re seize the oil 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.120 operations in Venezuela, which we're taken. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.200 By the way, I think this hasn't been pointed out yet. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.440 Those oil operations were taken over by Hugo Chavez and 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:19.000 his protogy. Now Maduro, they seize those operations from American 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.040 oil companies. I think one company gave it back with 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.440 under the point of a gun saying you're either going 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.359 to give it to us or we're going to kill you. Yeah. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.480 So those are rightfully possessions of the major oil companies 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.600 of the United States, which the United States government helped 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.440 fund all those years ago, twenty five years ago. So 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:38.919 that should not be murky ground, should it. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.359 Exactly, it should not. You're talking about expropriation which also 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.840 detrimentally impacted, you know, the people of Venezuela when the 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:54.360 socialist inspired party of both Chaves and Maduro did that. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.160 So no, that's an absolutely fair point, you know, to me. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.320 Ken to the extent that people are going to trying 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.920 to make hay out of this, it'll have to do 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.279 with the UN Charter, uh and talking about state sovereignty. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.960 But I would say remember at that point, even the 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.800 UN Charter, the way it sort of sets up state sovereignty, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.000 says states can do this when it's a question of 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.600 self defense. And I don't think there's too many questions 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.280 about just the amount of drugs that were being funneled 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:28.520 into the US, uh, you know, by this narco terrorist regime. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.160 So I agree with you. The point about the oil 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.400 companies and the broader point about you know, America defending 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.840 itself all relevant. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.600 I would think, Yeah, the the old f A f 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.360 O applies here, I mean Trump, Trump was blowing up, 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.000 blowing up these drug boats, and it was like a warning, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.680 you know, you better stop, you better stop. And he 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.240 gave the guy several off ramps that he just chose 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.200 not to get the off ramp. Now, doctor, this is 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.440 a exactly this exactly this is this is something else 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.040 that I think will be of interest. You can get 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.240 a judge to you anything in the United States, and 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.440 I'm sure that there are groups right now assembling judge 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.280 shopping to get this case in front of that judge 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.160 or having it challenged in the Southern District of New 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.640 York to try it, if nothing else in Barris Trump. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.839 But my question to you politically is why would the 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.680 Democrats embrace a guy like Maduro? What would the pushback 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.080 be on Trump for this? Knowing full well that we 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.800 have a margarita sipping senator from Maryland that already has 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.960 cozied up to an MS thirteen gang member, what would 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.360 the point be of the Democrats trying to push back 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:38.640 on this? 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.120 Well, and I. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.640 Agree with you, and just like you know, those optics 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.000 you know of sipping the margarita were incomprehensible to me, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.840 I would think this is incomprehensible as well. You've got, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.920 you know, clearly a dictator who is not there legitimately, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:04.320 who's pu untold numbers of Americans responsible for. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.039 Death and destruction. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.880 Is it possible that there are some people who are 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.279 sincerely objecting based on process? 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:12.080 You know, I'm open. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.360 I work with people of different persuasions at a university. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:16.720 Sure, I'm open to that. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:17.520 But I agree with you. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.880 I don't think it's most of the activists right now 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.160 who will be judge shopping. I think that's an attempt 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.320 to make political hay out of this, and to the 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.200 extent that it's you know, Judge Alvin Hellerstein there on 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.599 the US District Court who is presiding. I don't know 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.160 that there's going to be a lot of judge shopping 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.640 to do based on what I know of his record. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.800 Yeah, no, well there should not be. But I think 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.599 my point of finding a judge to take any case, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.560 because the judge is an activist judge and he aligns 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:53.240 himself with whatever wacko ideologically ideology that he embraces, I 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.120 think it could. I mean, the possibility of this thing 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.599 getting derailed between now and when and if it goes 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.320 to trialle I think is remote. I think you're right, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.479 but you know, there's always hope out there. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:04.640 Now. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.760 I'm just here's the other thing I was wondering about 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.960 when I watched this today. This seemed to be a full, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:18.320 full pronged event. Here you had Rubio, you had hag Seth, obviously, 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.960 you had the President. BONDI wasn't there, and I honestly 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.000 think that was a good thing. And then and then 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.279 you you also had the DEA, which actually carried out 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.360 the arrest. So this wasn't you know, Trump sending in 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.320 the seal team and saying, all right, get this guy 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.839 out of here. This was this was an entire government 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:35.440 effort here. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:37.880 No, that's right. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.000 And in terms of the intense phase of the extraction, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.240 you know, which took thirty five minutes, I think delta 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.479 forces were in play there. But I agree with you 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.239 in terms of the justification I'm seeing at this point 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.640 for you know, why the US military had to be 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:59.200 involved protecting law enforcements absolutely, you know, seeing this as 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:04.800 a US criminal law matter essential. I absolutely agree with 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:05.159 you on that. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.400 Okay, So in his news conference, the President fired yet 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.840 another warning shot across the bow of the Columbian president. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.560 We already know that the Mexican president. She president of Mexico, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.800 she is. She's all up in arms about this thing 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.440 because Trump obviously knows. And in Mexico the cartels pretty 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:24.800 much run that country too. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:25.560 Right. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.480 Does this bring these these other people back to heal 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.000 or do you think that they're just going to go 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.320 merrily along? You know, it's kind of like doctor, It's 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.680 kind of like, you know, you do your taxes. I 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.360 do my taxes, but if the guy across the street 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.960 from you gets audited by the IRS, we do our 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:46.239 taxes extra best. You know, we were really we're really 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.120 got to rye on the ball if that happens. What 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.720 do you think happens here with these other South American 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.920 countries that are, if not as complicit as Venezuela are, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.040 certainly they certainly have their hands dirty in cartel business. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:07:59.559 Well? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.040 Absolutely, I think the world is watching. And whether you're 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:08.360 talking about the Colombian president Gustavo Petro or you mentioned, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:13.000 you know, President Shinbaum in Mexico. It never ceases to 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.680 amaze me ken that the same folks who want to 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.440 talk about how interconnected of a world we live in, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.800 how globalized. It is, you know, pivot back at times 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.400 to emphasizing that we're all separate, disconnected nations. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.160 We are not. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.559 And so, you know, is Iran watching as well? 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:34.040 Absolutely? 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:35.240 I think so. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.360 There to the extent that there's contested questions, you know, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.280 can something be done or not? Technically, I think the 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.200 Trump administration showed there's no question that they can pull 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.800 this kind of operation off. I mean, compare it even 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.600 to what we did in Panama. You had twenty four 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:57.480 American casualties. No American casualties here, No Venezuelan casualties that 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:57.920 I saw. 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.079 So my thought is, you bet. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.640 Watching and people respond to incentives. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.000 So I agree with that. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:05.959 I couldn't agree more. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.080 You know, you watch what happened in in Uh in 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:13.680 Iran this this summer when Yeh Bomber's basically, if not 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:18.400 blew up, they certainly greatly curtailed Iran's nuclear capability. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:19.360 And I watched that. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.080 I watched what happened during Iran and for for all 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.000 intents purposes, I'm sorry Israel, and for all intents and 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.080 purposes Iran and Gaza, I'm watching that. And then I 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.520 watched this, and it just leads me to wonder how 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.680 could the previous administration be so neutered when it came 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.760 to international affairs. I I just, I just it' it's 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.959 it's astounding. Tony Blincoln could not have pulled this off. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.480 Certainly Joe Biden could not have pulled this off. I'm 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.480 just wondering how neutered was that that that particular regime 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.240 in your opinion, uh, the last Biden administration. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.800 Well, and certainly on top of what you mentioned the 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.240 treatment of Iran in terms of I mean, I think 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.439 it was actual, you know, cash payouts to go along 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:15.120 with the nuclear deal. The contrast could not be more stark, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.760 and I think we can say so in fairness to 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.400 you know, professionals across different administrations. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:24.760 There was a previous. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:29.200 Attempt to remove Maduro. And you know it's not clear 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.480 the extent to which the Trump administration was involved the 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.760 private contractors in twenty twenties. So if we want to 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.160 be entirely fair, sure, you know, no administration is perfect, 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.960 but yes, overall the Biden administration allowing the invasion of 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.839 Ukraine to happen on their watch. I mean I was 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.959 reading a report and I think it was blinkin even 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.520 Tony Blinken, saying, as much as he disagrees on process 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.400 grounds with how Trump operates, how the president does things, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.760 he wished is that he had the contacts and just 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.880 the ability to pull things off at that speed. So 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.280 I agree, it's not just a different vibe. I think 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.640 it's a different way of seeing the world. It's a 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.120 different philosophy and and and I think it has. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:15.880 Very deep roots. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.320 Well, doctor Cabala, we appreciate your rocket and rolling with 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.040 us today. It's been an eventful last ten hours or so. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.960 We'll see how this plays out with the American population. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.959 We'll see what the political wins look like in the 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:34.120 wake of this. But I would think so far, so good. Listen, well, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.960 we can do this more in depth. I'll ring you 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.880 up this week and then we'll try and do it 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.880 more in depth at some point then, Will that be 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.600 all right with you? 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.640 I would truly look forward to And I was just 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.320 going to say quickly, the way that these strikes are 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.599 carried out, and then it appears Trump doesn't fall for 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.719 the temptation of nation building. You know plenty to talk 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.880 about there, but certainly I'd be delighted. And like you said, 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.199 so far, so good. And just a historic day. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.160 It seems like, well, you know what, you and I 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.520 could maybe be vacationing together in Venezuela next year. Right, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.920 he may turn it into another beachfront property. We could 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.040 all go down there and surf. Of course we'd have 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.800 to find the beach front. But nevertheless, that could be 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.119 what's on on the board next. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.760 Or Gaza if things go at this threat who knows, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:21.480 who knows? 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:23.679 Gaza? 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.520 Yeah, Trump, Plaza Gazza. All right, doctor, thanks for tom. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.680 We appreciate it. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:28.400 Thank you so much. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.160 Have a nice one, doctor Bocabala, Tarland State University, Professor 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.480 of Law. Wow Wow, Wow, twelve fifty six on this Saturday, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.760 news radio seven hundred WLW. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.480 Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.680 wl W. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.160 It's what on nine and we're counting down to UC 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.880 basketball at the bottom of the hour. You see against Houston. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.640 Houston is Houston is very good. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.480 Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.000 Dan Horde and Terry Nelson and Moeger with all the 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.480 coverage from fifth Third Arena tomorrow. It's the Browns and 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.600 the Bengals. 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It's been 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.040 a long season since Week one deeps first tangled. 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.920 As you guys know, is it fair to say this 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.040 season didn't go as planned for either team? 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.960 I think that's pretty much fair to say. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.000 Yeah, certainly for the Bengals. You know, the Browns had weird, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.320 mixed expectations that certainly weren't as high as the other teams. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.280 But they did have a defense that's, you know, elite. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.280 I hate to throw that word around, but I think 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.920 it's fair to say it's Penny Lee. But yeah, the 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.560 quarterback thing has been a mess. You know, they come 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.680 into Sunday and out of Sunday with uncertainty around almost 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.480 every level of the franchise, you know, not just the 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:36.160 normal roster thing, and you know, it's it's been disappointing, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.920 sure because they this is a team that could be better, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.640 right like this is this is the franchise isn't a 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.440 bad spot. But nobody looked at the product on the 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.520 field and said this is as bad as the Jets 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.640 and the Raiders. You know, so we'll see. I mean, now, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.200 the offense has been that bad, but the defense has 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.200 been has been really good for most almost all. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.240 Well, the fact of the matter is, you should have 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.960 won the first meeting of the season. I mean, the kicker, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.200 you know, apples up on a couple of kicks that 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.760 look like Gimmey's, and all of a sudden the Bengals 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.960 skate out of Cleveland with a win, and that might 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:07.960 have started the spiral. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:08.440 I don't know. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.360 I kind of look at Cleveland as you know, they're 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.920 really good in spots. I think their defense is terrific. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.760 I think their front seven is really good. Obviously in 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.560 their secondary, they've got veteran talent and Ward and Delpit. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.120 They they acquired Campbell. I mean it looks like they're 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.680 trying to do and are accomplishing things on defense, but 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.520 on offense, I mean it's it's just does Kevin Stefanski 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.560 has even delta fair hand offense Shaan Watatson thing, and 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.200 they're now having wide receivers to throw two. I don't 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.960 think it's I think that's as much a problem as anything, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:40.360 is it not? 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.360 Oh, for sure, the construction of the offense is deplorably back. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.160 You know when you talk about Week one, Yes, the 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.880 kicks are, but really it's the two interceptions off guys 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.880 just by catching the ball. That's kind of the story 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.840 of the season. You know. The offensive line, I think 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.040 it's been nine different offensive line combinations and that makes 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.600 it harder. It's from three different quarterbacks that they at heart, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.760 So there's been glimpses, but yeah, just been overall disappointing products. So, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.080 you know, good play out of the rookies, but but 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.560 this receiving corps is bottom of the league, This offensive 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.119 line is the bottom of the league. And none of 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.400 them are under contract. None of the original starters anyway, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.760 are under contract for next year, so a lot of uncertainly. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.840 So yeah, that's kind of the discussion of my way ken, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.040 the fairness of this. You know how much losing was 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.880 expected versus how much has gone on. You know what's 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.879 next for Kevin Stepaint. We don't know any of that. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.480 Snor Sanders has made some strides, He's made some awful throws. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.840 He's not surrounded by a great group. You mentioned Delpin 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.080 in Ward. Those guys would start for any team in 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.680 this league. And obviously Miles Garrett is in a galaxy 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.120 of his own, and he's coming to get the NFL 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.199 stack records on Sunday, and he probably will get it. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.320 But you know, nobody also thinks that the Browns can 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.600 score more than ten points because Erhold Fannon is not 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.800 going to play, and this offensive line is a mess, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.760 and unless they get up early and can win a 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.879 thirteen ten type game for this that history week, and 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.320 then there's going to be real trouble for this office 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.320 trying to keep up de Ice. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.199 I think that you know, you'd have to be an 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.960 idiot not to understand that what saves his job, it's 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.080 certainly not winning this game this week. What would, if anything, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.920 would save his job, and. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.879 An internal commitment and decision that it wasn't his fault 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.240 right that he he has been a good coach. I 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.960 think the last two years to me have shown that 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.399 he's not a great coach. He's not one of the 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.480 better coaches. Like, look what Seohn Payton's done. What's in 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.640 the hand he was delt. You know, look what Kyle 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.000 Shanahan has done with the team this year that didn't 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.320 have it guys for seventy five percent of the season. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.479 You know, my gut field canons that decision has been 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.080 made and he's going to be out. I think there's 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.600 a little more cloudiness with the front office. But you know, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.960 we're talking about an organization that's never been normal. We're 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.600 talking about an organization that's been back for three decades 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.200 and has only had four winning seasons. And this ownership 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.640 group is going on fifteen years and was the one 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.959 that really signed off on the de Shaun Watson thing 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.119 that sunk everything. So in terms of firm predictions, until 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.440 we know it on Sunday night or Monday, I don't know. 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.040 And so when you ask that question, it's a fair 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.639 one and it's a valid one. But I could probably 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.760 tough for forty minutes that might give you a straight answer, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.520 because there is a lot of gray area here, and 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.960 it really comes down to what what do you decide 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.080 with the biggest reason that the offense didn't get any 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:21.800 better this year? 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:22.479 You know? 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.240 And then whatever your answer is on that turns into well, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.120 what the heck gives you hope for it being better 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.040 next year? Because you remember one receivers Jerry Judy, you 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.720 have no offensive linement under contract, who have ever really 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.439 been in your A plans? And their quarterback, I mean, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.000 you can make a case to Shador pretty easily deserves 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.119 more development, but it gets much harder to make a 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.760 case that he's actually the guy that you feel really 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:46.960 good about going forward. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.760 Yeah, and if indeed you go through a regime change 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.280 front office, head coach, you go through coaching staffs, you 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.080 probably lose a guy like Jim Schwartz, who it seems 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.160 to me has done a hell of a job up there. 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.400 But the fact of the matter is you're you're going 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.399 to go through all that change again and as the 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.640 next group been really going to be married to Shardoor 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.080 Sanders and if they're not, then you're going through that 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.200 process again. And since the Browns came into the league, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.639 they've been nothing but change in the front office and 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.040 in the coaching staff. This is the coach here is 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.520 probably about as stable as any coach has been since 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:17.080 they came back. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.400 Right, yeah, oh six years. Yeah, that's that's sixty years 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.160