1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brown on News radio seven hundred WLW. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: There you murd it an extraction from Venezuela overnight. As 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: our Gary Jeff Walker said this morning, in this week 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: of transfer portals in college football, Nicholas Medoro and his 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: wife have entered the transfer portal and they have a 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: visit in New York this week in front of a 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: in front of a jury, in front of a judge 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: on indictment charges. The legalities of all this are interesting. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: The political ramification of what has occurred is interesting. And 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: apparently now the United States is running Venezuela. I don't 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: know where to begin on this one other than the 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: guy was a thug and I'm glad he's gone by 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: hooker by crook. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: But on the other. 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Standpoint, you're going to probably see a lot of legal 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: hoops that the United States is going to have to 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: jump through, and the howling on the left has already begun. 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: Things are getting crazy, And when things get crazy politically, 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: I want to bring in doctor bo Cabala. He is 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: the tall estate professor of law and doctor how are 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: you on this glorious Saturday? 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: Doing great? 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, ken Ye talk about an extraordinary day. 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying I was enraptured by the whole extra 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: extraction of these two people. And then out of the blues, 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Trump says, and we're going to be running Venezuela. 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: How does that work? How can he do that well? 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 5: Direct? 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: And to the point of course Vice President now has 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 4: already been sworn in, and the noble laureate in Venezuela, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: Maria Machado, has expressed tremendous hope. So you know, I 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 4: think in the interim, to ensure an orderly transition of power, 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: the US will be will be running things. I didn't 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: take that to be a sort of long term declaration 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: of conquest by any means. 36 00:01:59,720 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: Yep. 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 2: And he re sizes or will re seize the oil 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: operations in Venezuela, which we're taken. 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: By the way, I think this hasn't been pointed out yet. 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: Those oil operations were taken over by Hugo Chavez and 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: his protogy. Now Maduro, they seize those operations from American 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: oil companies. I think one company gave it back with 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: under the point of a gun saying you're either going 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: to give it to us or we're going to kill you. Yeah. 45 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: So those are rightfully possessions of the major oil companies 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: of the United States, which the United States government helped 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: fund all those years ago, twenty five years ago. So 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: that should not be murky ground, should it. 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 4: Exactly, it should not. You're talking about expropriation which also 50 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 4: detrimentally impacted, you know, the people of Venezuela when the 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: socialist inspired party of both Chaves and Maduro did that. 52 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: So no, that's an absolutely fair point, you know, to me. 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: Ken to the extent that people are going to trying 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 4: to make hay out of this, it'll have to do 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,279 Speaker 4: with the UN Charter, uh and talking about state sovereignty. 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: But I would say remember at that point, even the 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: UN Charter, the way it sort of sets up state sovereignty, 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: says states can do this when it's a question of 59 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: self defense. And I don't think there's too many questions 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 4: about just the amount of drugs that were being funneled 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: into the US, uh, you know, by this narco terrorist regime. 62 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: So I agree with you. The point about the oil 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: companies and the broader point about you know, America defending 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: itself all relevant. 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: I would think, Yeah, the the old f A f 66 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: O applies here, I mean Trump, Trump was blowing up, 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: blowing up these drug boats, and it was like a warning, 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, you better stop, you better stop. And he 69 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: gave the guy several off ramps that he just chose 70 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: not to get the off ramp. Now, doctor, this is 71 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: a exactly this exactly this is this is something else 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: that I think will be of interest. You can get 73 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: a judge to you anything in the United States, and 74 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure that there are groups right now assembling judge 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: shopping to get this case in front of that judge 76 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: or having it challenged in the Southern District of New 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: York to try it, if nothing else in Barris Trump. 78 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: But my question to you politically is why would the 79 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: Democrats embrace a guy like Maduro? What would the pushback 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: be on Trump for this? Knowing full well that we 81 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: have a margarita sipping senator from Maryland that already has 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: cozied up to an MS thirteen gang member, what would 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: the point be of the Democrats trying to push back 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: on this? 85 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 5: Well, and I. 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: Agree with you, and just like you know, those optics 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: you know of sipping the margarita were incomprehensible to me, 88 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: I would think this is incomprehensible as well. You've got, 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: you know, clearly a dictator who is not there legitimately, 90 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: who's pu untold numbers of Americans responsible for. 91 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: Death and destruction. 92 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: Is it possible that there are some people who are 93 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: sincerely objecting based on process? 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: You know, I'm open. 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 4: I work with people of different persuasions at a university. 96 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: Sure, I'm open to that. 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: But I agree with you. 98 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: I don't think it's most of the activists right now 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: who will be judge shopping. I think that's an attempt 100 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: to make political hay out of this, and to the 101 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: extent that it's you know, Judge Alvin Hellerstein there on 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: the US District Court who is presiding. I don't know 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: that there's going to be a lot of judge shopping 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 4: to do based on what I know of his record. 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well there should not be. But I think 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: my point of finding a judge to take any case, 107 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: because the judge is an activist judge and he aligns 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: himself with whatever wacko ideologically ideology that he embraces, I 109 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: think it could. I mean, the possibility of this thing 110 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: getting derailed between now and when and if it goes 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: to trialle I think is remote. I think you're right, 112 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: but you know, there's always hope out there. 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: Now. 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: I'm just here's the other thing I was wondering about 115 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: when I watched this today. This seemed to be a full, 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: full pronged event. Here you had Rubio, you had hag Seth, obviously, 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: you had the President. BONDI wasn't there, and I honestly 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: think that was a good thing. And then and then 119 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: you you also had the DEA, which actually carried out 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: the arrest. So this wasn't you know, Trump sending in 121 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: the seal team and saying, all right, get this guy 122 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: out of here. This was this was an entire government 123 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: effort here. 124 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: No, that's right. 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: And in terms of the intense phase of the extraction, 126 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: you know, which took thirty five minutes, I think delta 127 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 4: forces were in play there. But I agree with you 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 4: in terms of the justification I'm seeing at this point 129 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: for you know, why the US military had to be 130 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: involved protecting law enforcements absolutely, you know, seeing this as 131 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: a US criminal law matter essential. I absolutely agree with 132 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 4: you on that. 133 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So in his news conference, the President fired yet 134 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: another warning shot across the bow of the Columbian president. 135 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: We already know that the Mexican president. She president of Mexico, 136 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: she is. She's all up in arms about this thing 137 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: because Trump obviously knows. And in Mexico the cartels pretty 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: much run that country too. 139 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: Right. 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: Does this bring these these other people back to heal 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: or do you think that they're just going to go 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: merrily along? You know, it's kind of like doctor, It's 143 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, you do your taxes. I 144 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: do my taxes, but if the guy across the street 145 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: from you gets audited by the IRS, we do our 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 2: taxes extra best. You know, we were really we're really 147 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: got to rye on the ball if that happens. What 148 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: do you think happens here with these other South American 149 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: countries that are, if not as complicit as Venezuela are, 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: certainly they certainly have their hands dirty in cartel business. 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 5: Well? 152 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think the world is watching. And whether you're 153 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: talking about the Colombian president Gustavo Petro or you mentioned, 154 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: you know, President Shinbaum in Mexico. It never ceases to 155 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: amaze me ken that the same folks who want to 156 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: talk about how interconnected of a world we live in, 157 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: how globalized. It is, you know, pivot back at times 158 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: to emphasizing that we're all separate, disconnected nations. 159 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: We are not. 160 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 4: And so, you know, is Iran watching as well? 161 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 162 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 5: I think so. 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: There to the extent that there's contested questions, you know, 164 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: can something be done or not? Technically, I think the 165 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 4: Trump administration showed there's no question that they can pull 166 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: this kind of operation off. I mean, compare it even 167 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: to what we did in Panama. You had twenty four 168 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: American casualties. No American casualties here, No Venezuelan casualties that 169 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: I saw. 170 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 5: So my thought is, you bet. 171 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 4: Watching and people respond to incentives. 172 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 5: So I agree with that. 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. 174 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: You know, you watch what happened in in Uh in 175 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: Iran this this summer when Yeh Bomber's basically, if not 176 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: blew up, they certainly greatly curtailed Iran's nuclear capability. 177 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: And I watched that. 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: I watched what happened during Iran and for for all 179 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: intents purposes, I'm sorry Israel, and for all intents and 180 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: purposes Iran and Gaza, I'm watching that. And then I 181 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: watched this, and it just leads me to wonder how 182 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: could the previous administration be so neutered when it came 183 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: to international affairs. I I just, I just it' it's 184 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: it's astounding. Tony Blincoln could not have pulled this off. 185 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: Certainly Joe Biden could not have pulled this off. I'm 186 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: just wondering how neutered was that that that particular regime 187 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: in your opinion, uh, the last Biden administration. 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: Well, and certainly on top of what you mentioned the 189 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 4: treatment of Iran in terms of I mean, I think 190 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 4: it was actual, you know, cash payouts to go along 191 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: with the nuclear deal. The contrast could not be more stark, 192 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: and I think we can say so in fairness to 193 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: you know, professionals across different administrations. 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: There was a previous. 195 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 4: Attempt to remove Maduro. And you know it's not clear 196 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: the extent to which the Trump administration was involved the 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: private contractors in twenty twenties. So if we want to 198 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: be entirely fair, sure, you know, no administration is perfect, 199 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: but yes, overall the Biden administration allowing the invasion of 200 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 4: Ukraine to happen on their watch. I mean I was 201 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 4: reading a report and I think it was blinkin even 202 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: Tony Blinken, saying, as much as he disagrees on process 203 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: grounds with how Trump operates, how the president does things, 204 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: he wished is that he had the contacts and just 205 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 4: the ability to pull things off at that speed. So 206 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: I agree, it's not just a different vibe. I think 207 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: it's a different way of seeing the world. It's a 208 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 4: different philosophy and and and I think it has. 209 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: Very deep roots. 210 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: Well, doctor Cabala, we appreciate your rocket and rolling with 211 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: us today. It's been an eventful last ten hours or so. 212 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: We'll see how this plays out with the American population. 213 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: We'll see what the political wins look like in the 214 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: wake of this. But I would think so far, so good. Listen, well, 215 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: we can do this more in depth. I'll ring you 216 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: up this week and then we'll try and do it 217 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: more in depth at some point then, Will that be 218 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: all right with you? 219 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: I would truly look forward to And I was just 220 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: going to say quickly, the way that these strikes are 221 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 4: carried out, and then it appears Trump doesn't fall for 222 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 4: the temptation of nation building. You know plenty to talk 223 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: about there, but certainly I'd be delighted. And like you said, 224 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 4: so far, so good. And just a historic day. 225 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: It seems like, well, you know what, you and I 226 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: could maybe be vacationing together in Venezuela next year. Right, 227 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: he may turn it into another beachfront property. We could 228 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: all go down there and surf. Of course we'd have 229 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: to find the beach front. But nevertheless, that could be 230 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,119 Speaker 2: what's on on the board next. 231 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 4: Or Gaza if things go at this threat who knows, 232 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: who knows? 233 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: Gaza? 234 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump, Plaza Gazza. All right, doctor, thanks for tom. 235 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: We appreciate it. 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 237 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: Have a nice one, doctor Bocabala, Tarland State University, Professor 238 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: of Law. Wow Wow, Wow, twelve fifty six on this Saturday, 239 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: news radio seven hundred WLW. 240 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred 241 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: wl W. 242 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: It's what on nine and we're counting down to UC 243 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: basketball at the bottom of the hour. You see against Houston. 244 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: Houston is Houston is very good. 245 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. 246 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Dan Horde and Terry Nelson and Moeger with all the 247 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: coverage from fifth Third Arena tomorrow. It's the Browns and 248 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: the Bengals. That's how the twenty twenty five now into 249 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. That's how the twenty twenty five season ends, 250 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: same way as it began. Brown's and Bengals up in 251 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: Cleveland in Week one. And here we go today, the 252 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: day before the Browns and Bengals meet at pay Course 253 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: Stadium tomorrow. The Browns of four and twelve, they seem 254 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: to be a team adrift and possibly on the verge 255 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: of a major shakeup. Yet again, inside that team, it's 256 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: amazing how instability leads to just lousy records. And I 257 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,479 Speaker 2: suppose if there's one criticism of Mike Brown that resounds 258 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: more than anything is that he is too patient. But 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: we're seeing in Cleveland what lack of patients is over 260 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: the course of the last twenty five years. And so 261 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: here come the Browns with Shador Sanders's quarterback, with Jerry 262 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: as their number one wide receiver. Think about that for 263 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: a second. Here come the Browns who traded Joe Flacco 264 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: inside the division to the Bengals in the middle of 265 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: the season. And here come the Bengals who are trying 266 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: to finish the season at seven to ten. If you 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: think it's been bad down here this year, it has 268 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: been a circus in Cleveland once again, and when it 269 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: comes to circuses standing by to join us as a 270 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: man who covers the Browns for Theathletic dot Com. And 271 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: I've said this many times and I'm going to say 272 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: it again. The best investment you can make in sports 273 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: journalism is the Athletic. There are no junk ads, no 274 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: roll up videos, just good solid sports journalism. And somebody 275 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: who is a part of that is Zach Jackson, beat 276 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: writer Cleveland Brown. Zach, how are you on this glorious 277 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: day before. 278 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 5: The game when I'm with you? Because you and my 279 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 5: mom are my fan club, I'm always good. It's been 280 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 5: a long season since Week one deeps first tangled. 281 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: As you guys know, is it fair to say this 282 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: season didn't go as planned for either team? 283 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: I think that's pretty much fair to say. 284 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly for the Bengals. You know, the Browns had weird, 285 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 5: mixed expectations that certainly weren't as high as the other teams. 286 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: But they did have a defense that's, you know, elite. 287 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: I hate to throw that word around, but I think 288 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: it's fair to say it's Penny Lee. But yeah, the 289 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 5: quarterback thing has been a mess. You know, they come 290 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 5: into Sunday and out of Sunday with uncertainty around almost 291 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 5: every level of the franchise, you know, not just the 292 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 5: normal roster thing, and you know, it's it's been disappointing, 293 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 5: sure because they this is a team that could be better, 294 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: right like this is this is the franchise isn't a 295 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 5: bad spot. But nobody looked at the product on the 296 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 5: field and said this is as bad as the Jets 297 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 5: and the Raiders. You know, so we'll see. I mean, now, 298 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 5: the offense has been that bad, but the defense has 299 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 5: been has been really good for most almost all. 300 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: Well, the fact of the matter is, you should have 301 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: won the first meeting of the season. I mean, the kicker, 302 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: you know, apples up on a couple of kicks that 303 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: look like Gimmey's, and all of a sudden the Bengals 304 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: skate out of Cleveland with a win, and that might 305 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: have started the spiral. 306 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 307 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: I kind of look at Cleveland as you know, they're 308 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: really good in spots. I think their defense is terrific. 309 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: I think their front seven is really good. Obviously in 310 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: their secondary, they've got veteran talent and Ward and Delpit. 311 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: They they acquired Campbell. I mean it looks like they're 312 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: trying to do and are accomplishing things on defense, but 313 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: on offense, I mean it's it's just does Kevin Stefanski 314 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: has even delta fair hand offense Shaan Watatson thing, and 315 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: they're now having wide receivers to throw two. I don't 316 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: think it's I think that's as much a problem as anything, 317 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: is it not? 318 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 5: Oh, for sure, the construction of the offense is deplorably back. 319 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 5: You know when you talk about Week one, Yes, the 320 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 5: kicks are, but really it's the two interceptions off guys 321 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 5: just by catching the ball. That's kind of the story 322 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 5: of the season. You know. The offensive line, I think 323 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: it's been nine different offensive line combinations and that makes 324 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 5: it harder. It's from three different quarterbacks that they at heart, 325 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 5: So there's been glimpses, but yeah, just been overall disappointing products. So, 326 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 5: you know, good play out of the rookies, but but 327 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: this receiving corps is bottom of the league, This offensive 328 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 5: line is the bottom of the league. And none of 329 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 5: them are under contract. None of the original starters anyway, 330 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 5: are under contract for next year, so a lot of uncertainly. 331 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: So yeah, that's kind of the discussion of my way ken, 332 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: the fairness of this. You know how much losing was 333 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: expected versus how much has gone on. You know what's 334 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 5: next for Kevin Stepaint. We don't know any of that. 335 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 5: Snor Sanders has made some strides, He's made some awful throws. 336 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 5: He's not surrounded by a great group. You mentioned Delpin 337 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 5: in Ward. Those guys would start for any team in 338 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 5: this league. And obviously Miles Garrett is in a galaxy 339 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 5: of his own, and he's coming to get the NFL 340 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 5: stack records on Sunday, and he probably will get it. 341 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: But you know, nobody also thinks that the Browns can 342 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 5: score more than ten points because Erhold Fannon is not 343 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: going to play, and this offensive line is a mess, 344 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 5: and unless they get up early and can win a 345 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: thirteen ten type game for this that history week, and 346 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: then there's going to be real trouble for this office 347 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: trying to keep up de Ice. 348 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: I think that you know, you'd have to be an 349 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: idiot not to understand that what saves his job, it's 350 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: certainly not winning this game this week. What would, if anything, 351 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: would save his job, and. 352 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 5: An internal commitment and decision that it wasn't his fault 353 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: right that he he has been a good coach. I 354 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: think the last two years to me have shown that 355 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 5: he's not a great coach. He's not one of the 356 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: better coaches. Like, look what Seohn Payton's done. What's in 357 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 5: the hand he was delt. You know, look what Kyle 358 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: Shanahan has done with the team this year that didn't 359 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 5: have it guys for seventy five percent of the season. 360 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 5: You know, my gut field canons that decision has been 361 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: made and he's going to be out. I think there's 362 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 5: a little more cloudiness with the front office. But you know, 363 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 5: we're talking about an organization that's never been normal. We're 364 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 5: talking about an organization that's been back for three decades 365 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 5: and has only had four winning seasons. And this ownership 366 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 5: group is going on fifteen years and was the one 367 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 5: that really signed off on the de Shaun Watson thing 368 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 5: that sunk everything. So in terms of firm predictions, until 369 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 5: we know it on Sunday night or Monday, I don't know. 370 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: And so when you ask that question, it's a fair 371 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 5: one and it's a valid one. But I could probably 372 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 5: tough for forty minutes that might give you a straight answer, 373 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: because there is a lot of gray area here, and 374 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 5: it really comes down to what what do you decide 375 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 5: with the biggest reason that the offense didn't get any 376 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: better this year? 377 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 3: You know? 378 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: And then whatever your answer is on that turns into well, 379 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 5: what the heck gives you hope for it being better 380 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 5: next year? Because you remember one receivers Jerry Judy, you 381 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 5: have no offensive linement under contract, who have ever really 382 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 5: been in your A plans? And their quarterback, I mean, 383 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 5: you can make a case to Shador pretty easily deserves 384 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 5: more development, but it gets much harder to make a 385 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 5: case that he's actually the guy that you feel really 386 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 5: good about going forward. 387 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if indeed you go through a regime change 388 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: front office, head coach, you go through coaching staffs, you 389 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: probably lose a guy like Jim Schwartz, who it seems 390 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: to me has done a hell of a job up there. 391 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is you're you're going 392 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 2: to go through all that change again and as the 393 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: next group been really going to be married to Shardoor 394 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: Sanders and if they're not, then you're going through that 395 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: process again. And since the Browns came into the league, 396 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: they've been nothing but change in the front office and 397 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: in the coaching staff. This is the coach here is 398 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: probably about as stable as any coach has been since 399 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: they came back. 400 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, oh six years. Yeah, that's that's sixty years 401 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 5: by Brown standards. They're a guy Joel Beatonio the guard 402 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 5: for twelve years, and he's been good enough as a 403 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: guard on bad teams that you know him at Cincinnati, right, 404 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: they know him across the league, certainly in the anfty doors. 405 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 5: When Joel plays what might be his last NFL game 406 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 5: on Sunday, can he's been playing with the twenty second 407 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 5: different quarterback that he's blacked, four starting quarterback that he's 408 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 5: blacked for since twenty fourteen. 409 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy. 410 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: I mean, how do you how do you expect to 411 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: have any kind of success with that kind of turnover. 412 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: I know everybody has draft busts and everybody goes through 413 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: head coaches, but my gosh, after a while you land 414 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: on go, don't you? 415 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: At some point? It's amazing how this team is just 416 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: go yeah. 417 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 5: And that's kind of the evaluation of this year is like, Okay, 418 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: it was never going to be good. Okay, there's some 419 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 5: rokis that it's certainly a better draft class than they had. 420 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 5: But you have to look at what was the plan 421 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 5: because they pulled the plot on Joe Flacco after four 422 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 5: weeks and then traded him to a division rival, which 423 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 5: is a though no, and he could still play and 424 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 5: it wasn't working here, and like I said, he clearly 425 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 5: turned the ball over in a couple of games. It 426 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: didn't get help from his receivers. But it was like, 427 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 5: what was next Dyllan Gabriel who immediately was diagnosed as 428 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 5: this guy can't play, you know, and certainly didn't get 429 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 5: any help. If there is another team in the NFL 430 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 5: that liked still and Gabriel, or likes still in Gabriel, 431 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 5: they might be willing to give him a chance because 432 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 5: they can look and say he didn't have the receivers, 433 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: he didn't have the offensive line. You know, there there 434 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 5: was a good quarter here and there. But when any 435 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 5: time you play three different quarterbacks over the course of 436 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 5: the year, you know you're probably in a bad, bad spot, 437 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: right and there are teams that make it work. And 438 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 5: when the Browns made the playoffs two years ago, they 439 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 5: played five quarterbacks from week one to week seventeen. More 440 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 5: times than that, it's you know, one was an injury 441 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 5: related move to put somebody in a bad spot. One 442 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 5: was a desperation move to somebody else feels. And then 443 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 5: when you're making the natural changes that you make along 444 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 5: the way, you know you're left to sit in evalue 445 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 5: eight what what was organically good, what could have worked better, 446 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 5: and what just flat out didn't work? And frankly, when 447 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 5: you finish the season for the second straight year ranked 448 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: in the bottom three or four in every single major 449 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 5: offensive category, then it's hard to give an offensive head 450 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 5: coach another year. 451 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach Jackson the Athletic dot Com. You know, it's funny. 452 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: The Bengals have, I think, without question, the best wide 453 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: receiver quarterback combo in the division, maybe in the entire FC. 454 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: But they've got that. The narrative down here, which I 455 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: think is hilarious, is Okay, you've got that, But the 456 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: defense is such a disaster despite nice pieces, that it's 457 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: going to take one, maybe two off seasons to fix 458 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: it to get it to a point where it can 459 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: contend for a Super World championship. Again, I guess my 460 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: question to you, knowing that for a team that has 461 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: the offensive proficiency that Cincinnati has, what do you I mean, 462 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: you've seen this, this this act play out. How many 463 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: how many off seasons is Cleveland before Cleveland? Is any 464 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: work close to contended? 465 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 466 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 5: I mean I think I just said that someone earlier today, 467 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 5: and I've probably said it ten times over the last months. 468 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 5: The situation that this franchise is in the next time 469 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 5: you're really taking it of temperature check is about Halloween 470 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 5: of twenty seven ten. Next year is going to be 471 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 5: worse talent wise because a lot of these older guys 472 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 5: who have produced, whether they're still doing it or not, 473 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 5: are going out the door. You know, it's a completely 474 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: blank played at quarterback in less shit or somehow becomes 475 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 5: your answer, like as t easier quarterback for first four 476 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 5: games next year? What does That's all? 477 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: You know? 478 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 5: The receiver group needs remade, the offensive line group needs remade, 479 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 5: and the defense turn as good as the event has 480 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 5: a lot of older guys, and if there's a new 481 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 5: coach and a new coordinator, it's not going to be 482 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: the same defense. And even if it is is it's 483 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 5: hard to replicate what Schwartz has done. So Schwartz has 484 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 5: been phenomenal and in the small chance that there is 485 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 5: a head coaching change in Cincinnati has the first guy 486 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 5: I would call Jim Schwartz because this defense continually shows up. 487 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 5: It played under these circumstances, and in the six years 488 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 5: of the head coach and GM from Cleveland, the one 489 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 5: thing they really have built the identity of the way 490 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 5: Schwartz's defense is play right. And it's not just Hey, 491 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 5: Miles garretta because he is he was that before. Schwartz guy. 492 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 5: I think he's playing the best now. But they really 493 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 5: built that identity and they showed it last week. They 494 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 5: kind of got to take a whole victory lap against 495 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 5: the Steelers like that. I think they'll come out and 496 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: they'll give burrough Fits something that I just don't know 497 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 5: that the Browns can score enough to even begin to 498 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 5: keep up. 499 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, their front line is terrific, and like I said, 500 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 2: we talked about the second or. 501 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: I think that's that's good too. 502 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: And you know, you can make an argument for Cleveland 503 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: being one of the top four or five defenses in 504 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: the leg and statistically higher than that. 505 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: Hey, Zach, thanks for your time. 506 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: I guess we'll say enjoy the season finale, but the 507 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: enjoyment will be it is the season finale, and then 508 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: the real starts. The story's never ended in Cleveland. Do 509 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: they simply don't know? 510 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 5: No, Hey, you have to get two things. Can You 511 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 5: have to get past the point where everything you hear 512 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 5: is believable about wild stuff that goes on. And you 513 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: have to get past the point where the off season 514 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 5: is the season. You know, you build in the off season, 515 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: you set the groundwork, but it has to be to 516 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 5: where you're playing in games and evaluating guys and going 517 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 5: in a straight line. And they just have not gone 518 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: in any kind of straight line. When you play twelve 519 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 5: different quarterbacks over three seasons, there's no straight line. Right 520 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: when you look at mid season and say we're pretty 521 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 5: hopeless that wide receiver and offense client, there's no straight line. 522 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 5: It's just what it's beat. 523 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: Keep up the good work. 524 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 2: You're one of the reasons why I subscribe, and I'm 525 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: sure a lot of other people out there as well. 526 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: Zach, take care of Happy new year. We'll talk down 527 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: the road. 528 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: Thanks, all right, We'll see you too. 529 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing about tomorrow is the sack record. 530 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: Does Miles Garrett, defensive lineman extraordinary, best in the business. 531 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 2: Does he get the sack record? Sack record in the 532 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: NFL is twenty two and a half, twenty two and 533 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: a half sacks in one season. That of course set 534 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: by Michael Strahand in the calendar year twenty eight thousand 535 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: and one, actually twenty twenty one. TJ one equal that 536 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: as well. Strahan, who was shut out from a sack 537 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 2: last week by the Steelers and they admitted that was 538 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: one of their top goals. Strayhan needs just half a 539 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: sack half a sack to equal twenty two and a 540 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: half on the season, and if he gets one, then 541 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: he has the record. He has sacked Lamar Jackson twelve 542 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: times in his career. He has sacked Joe Burrow twelve 543 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: times in his career. Somebody asked him if he knew 544 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: that stat going into this game. 545 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: What I've known absolutely. 546 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 5: I've seen his face on the ground looking up at 547 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 5: me saying high Miles and Hi Joe. 548 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 3: Too many times. So yeah, I think you'd be at 549 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: the time. 550 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see tomorrow. I mean, it's one of the subplots. 551 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: The other subplot is is what happens going forward with 552 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: this Bengals franchise. It needs so much. I think there's 553 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: a tendency to get caught up in recent events the 554 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: last month of the season, get caught up in exactly 555 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: what is transpired against weaker opponents. Come on, they haven't 556 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: played anybody the last couple of weeks. In games that mattered, 557 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: they couldn't win. Joe burrowed down for a majority of 558 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: the season. Okay, if you want to rely on that 559 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: as an argument, great, Okay, fall back on that. All 560 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: I know is this, Joe Flacco came here and put 561 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: up some decent number. Is good enough to win the 562 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 2: Jets on October the twenty six. Defensively, you give up 563 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: five hundred and two yards two hundred and fifty four 564 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 2: yards on the ground, and fuddle that up with another 565 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: home game against the Chicago Bears five hundred and seventy 566 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: six total yards, two hundred and eighty three on the ground. 567 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, Burrow not being here major factor. Flacco 568 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 2: comes in Flaco, puts up numbers that are winnable in 569 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: at least two games, and then who knows what the 570 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: temper and the UH and the demeanor of that team 571 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: is if you win against Chicago and you win against 572 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: the Jets. 573 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 3: We'll never know, But I do know this. 574 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: They need a more than just a makeup, touch up 575 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: on offense on defense going into the twenty twenty six season. 576 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: So the Browns have major, major problems, and at least 577 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: on one side of the ball, the Bengals have significant problems. 578 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: And that sets the scene for tomorrow when we will 579 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: reconvene at nine oh six from the Holy Grail to 580 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: preview the Bengals and the Browns season finale at pay 581 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Course Stadium. Stand by coming up in just a couple 582 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: of minutes from fifth Third Arena, it'll be the University 583 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: of Cincinnati against the University of Houston in what ought 584 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: to be what should be a major attraction on the 585 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: UC schedule this year home game against Houston. 586 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 3: You're listening to seven hundred WLW