1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for another edition of Mace in your 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Face now along with college do you not Immortality? Glenn Mason, 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: here's Dan Burrero. That's pretty tough act to follow. 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: H enjoyed our conversation with Derek Shelton. It's interesting Mace. 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: A lot of people enjoyed the discussion. But then I 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: got a couple of people saying, not trying to be snarky. 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: They said, not trying to be snarky, but why would 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: we devote that much time to an organization that seems 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: so uncommitted or not committed to winning? And my answer 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: to that would be, what, It's not like we turned 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: the station over to him. He's the new manager. You 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: like to get to know people when they come to town. 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't have to be that that means 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: we're endorsing the fact that the Minnesota Twins are on 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: their way of greatness. So to me, you know, you 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: give him a chance say hello to them. It's sort 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: of like I was with you when you first. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: Though you are so benevolent, I was very I tell 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: the story. I'm not going to tell it again. But 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: Danny Green, who I knew before I came here, when 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: he was at Northwestern. The first advice I think I 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: got from anybody with away from me, well, it was like, beware, 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: well you know the thing about it, I mean that 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: probably minority. You know what happens in all of sports, Dan, 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: I talked about all who the times, there's only two things. 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: There's results and there's hope. And I assure you there's 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: a lot more hope out there and results because what 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 3: happens in most organizations, I don't care, high school, college, pro, 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: you name it, when people aren't getting the results that 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: everybody would like more often than not. Right, and then 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: really down and taking a deep dive in fig right now, 32 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: what is the problem? The easy way is they fire 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: the coach and they buy new hope. So this gentleman 34 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: here and he's, like you said, he might not surely 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: be snarky what snarky means, but I define it well anyway, 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people out there, they get 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: new hope. It's it's a rat in the same old story. 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: They think it's going to be a news story. And 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: you know, I don't, I don't know anything. I sitting 40 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: in the other room, listened to him and then chat 41 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: it with a few minutes. I was impressed. I mean 42 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: as a as an individual, I'm sure he's a good 43 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: bass personality. 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: I can tell that for sure. 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: He is good. You know, some guys don't look good 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: with a beerd he looks good. He could he could 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: do one of those commercials, you know, most interesting man, 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: you know, very true. 49 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Well, and he. 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: You know, the only place he might have got himself 51 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: in trouble. And I let it go because it's all 52 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: very subjective, but he was. He mentioned he thought that 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: this World Series might be the best of his lifetime. 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: Now again, in this town, we're very, very defensive about 55 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: that because we believe that the nineteen ninety one World 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: Series was the greatest World Series of all time. I 57 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: think it's arguable. I was here covering through all that. 58 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: It's the best sporting event for seven games I've ever 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: had to cover. 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: But we get, you know how, we're very parochial here. 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: So it was like they were mad at him for saying, 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: wait a minute, our World Series is better than that. 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always, it's always that's ancient history. Really, come on, 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: let's yeah, you know, who's the greatest of all time? 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: And all that stuff. I don't know it's a I 66 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: would say, at least in present day. Yes, you know, uh, 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that that world series you 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: thought I weren't even born. That's also true a lot 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: of them. So you look at it and say, man, 70 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: that that was really good. 71 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: What's stuck in your craw You got something? I mean, 72 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: I I've got a number of directions. I want to go, 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: but I don't. 74 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'll start writing. I went to the golfer 75 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: Michigan State game. There's a lot of things I can 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: talk about that, and you know, not particularly about the game, 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: but one thing it really hit me. You know, I 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: used to be critical, and you know I used to 79 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: say pro football, college football, no comparison on to pro football. 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 3: The NFL. They've got it figured out for the fans. 81 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: You know, when you watch a game, when I watch 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: it on TV, you know, before you know it, the 83 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: first period's done, then is halftime, then they're playing again. 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: I went to that game, sitting there and here's the 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: analogy I'm gonna give. Nothing really upsets me more. There's 86 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: a lot of things upset me. But when you go 87 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: in person, let's say you need to check into a 88 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: motel and you're standing here talking to the guy in 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 3: the phone rings and he picks up the phone and 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: they start talking, and he's like, and you're standing and said, 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: I'm here, wait a minute. Not I'll be right with you. 92 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: I understand. 93 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: He keeps going and going, and I'm standing right there. 94 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: My point is this, I go to that game and 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: there's so many timeouts, and now they got this deal. 96 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: I love this. Dan. The guy goes on field, you 97 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 3: know they're gonna start, and he puts up the sign 98 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: with the clock on it. Okay, and it says two 99 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: minutes and thirty seconds, but thirty seconds have already gone by. 100 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying. And every time I turn 101 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: around and look at that, I couldn't believe how many 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: they're we and I'm start thinking how long this game's 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: gonna be. And my point is this, they're making a big, 104 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: big mistake. They're playing to the guy that's on the phone, 105 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: like the guy in the hotel, rather than the guy 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: that's sitting right there. It might be cold, it might 107 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: be raining, it might be ever, and you're sitting there 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: and you're watching that clock deck. It's terrible. They're ruining 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: the game and who's they TV? 110 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: So what's the solution? 111 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think they got to do like whatever wherever 112 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: the NFL is. You know, NFL tries to get the games. 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: They have commercials. 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: I know that, but it's it doesn't. It doesn't feel 115 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: it doesn't. And I only I don't have any factional information. 116 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: All I know when I watch a pro game, that 117 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: first quarter is over, that's gone, and you see the 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: game's over and the next game's on. It's crazy. I 119 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: don't know how long that that game lasted. But I 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: can tell you even when I was coaching, every year 121 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: we'd have the coaches meeting and Dave Perry, who was 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 3: the head of officials, he come in and say, oh, fellas, 123 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: we got a problem. We got to get these games 124 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: under three hours. Well what do we have to do 125 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: with it? What are you talking about? You know, you 126 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: gotta do some things. I mean there's some structural things 127 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: they could do, like not stopping the clock on first 128 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: down or when the bar is out of the house 129 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: and things like that, or ninety two timeouts or whatever 130 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: it may be. Now. You know, granted the halftimes are 131 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: longer because of the college band, but you're not gonna 132 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: you're not gonna do anything about that. I think it's 133 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: twelve minutes compared to twenty. But I'm just a big 134 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: differ watching that game in a magnificent setting at I 135 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: wanted to says TCF Bank Stadium, but it's not a 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: Huntington Bank Now things change. But you know the other 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: thing I'm gonna tell you, I've been in that stadium before, 138 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: working for the big ten RCA, as you know. But 139 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: and it's always been a great sperace. But I had 140 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: some extra time. I walked around and looked at you know, 141 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: all that stuff. It's a great stadium. It really really good. 142 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: Did you tell I don't even think you told us 143 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: you were going to go last week? Was this a 144 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: late invitation? Can you tell us a little bit about 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: how you ended up? 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: Well? I got an invitation from John Glenn. Yeah, our 147 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: old I shouldn't you call me an old coach in 148 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: my old course, like I and I went, and my 149 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: daughter Chris and her husband went at a magnificent time. 150 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: I was a little surprised. And this is not a Chris, 151 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: but he has a pass in the gold Lot. You 152 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: know what the gold lot is? Yes, yeah, it's right 153 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: next it's a great, great lot, and I had been 154 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: in there before because that's where I would go through 155 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: when I it was it was damn empty and I 156 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: couldn't figure it out. Oh, this is gonna be a 157 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: bad crowd. The crowd was not reflective of that. Now 158 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: there's a like a lot of great tailgating scenes because 159 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: I went to a number of them. You know, I 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: don't know what the name of the lots, right. I 161 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: went to one that was, uh, on the other side 162 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: of Mariucci. 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: Then he's trying to help. I mean, I'm just trying 164 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 4: to help share. I don't know where you're going down there. 165 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to help. 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: And then then I went to another one, uh, just 167 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: on the other side of Matui Pavilion. 168 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: Think that's fifty six. 169 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: I knew you'd know. Anyway. It was great. I mean, 170 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: the beverages are great, people were great, the whole deal. 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: You didn't graffiti it, Yeah, no, that's what I'm worried about, 172 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: the way you have that big grin on your face. 173 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: So maybe he took it like a magic mark. 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: Some guy though some you know, like one else smart. 175 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: You know what he said, Coach, Can I take a 176 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: picture and he he positioned me, right, he really, Oh yeah, tremendous. 177 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: I want that. I didn't get the picture. 178 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: I want that photo. I'm surprised you you agreed to it. 179 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was there. 180 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't know when you did it. 181 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: And he did it. I'm sure that was because he 182 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: kept saying and he you know, he wasn't real close 183 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 2: to me. He was like, I love that, and he. 184 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 3: Was laughing while he was doing it. So geez, I 185 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: don't know, but I can tell you this. In the game, 186 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: all right, Golphers were lucky to win, but they won. 187 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: A win's a win. Michigan State. Now, I don't know 188 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: if you've ever heard me say this before. Poorly coached 189 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: football team. They don't for Michigan State. Is I knew 190 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: Michigan State. They don't have a lot of talent, but 191 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: they're poorly coached. And the other thing is when I 192 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: watch games or I in person, I am really nine partisan, 193 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: maybe because of you know, everything I did, and so 194 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: I watched intently though, and when I watched Michigan State 195 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: come out of the locker room, they gave me the 196 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: feeling they didn't even want to be there. They really did. 197 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: It looked like they're going out to practice, you know, 198 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: and they you know, for a number of reasons. You know. 199 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: First of all, they had ten penalties, okay, ten penalties. 200 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: And the other thing is that I think they ran 201 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: the toss sweep four times. I don't think they gained 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: one yard. And it seemed like they did it like 203 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: in every critical situation. So the last one in the 204 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: game's on the line, you know what I mean. And 205 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: it's like third and one, and I said to the 206 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: one guy I'm with, I said, I bet your beer, 207 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: there comes the toss sweep. Sure, I toss sweep no games. 208 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: Howd you know that? I said, They've done it every time? 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: He said, why would they do that? I said, because 210 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: there's some offensive coordinator over there looking at his play 211 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: sheet and he's saying, here's the game planned one. Are 212 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: you nuts? You know? 213 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: It? 214 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: Just and then they finally get the lead, you know, 215 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: and they kicked the ball out of bound. 216 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: Can't make it up. They had a face mask penalty. 217 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: That happens, yeah, you know, right. 218 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: And uh they it was very fortunate the officials did 219 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: the right thing. But I well, let me ask on 220 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: the past interference, how we're going there. Let me just 221 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: tell you it was not passed. It was a bad, 222 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: bad call. Cannot review it. 223 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: Should it have been, which I've always been wanted to 224 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: Should it have been? Was it? Could it be a 225 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: holding call? Would you have second? 226 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: No? 227 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Anything? Now here's my question. 228 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: Can I finish? Please? Because when I get done then 229 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: I'll listen to you. Okay, that's the way I stopped. 230 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 3: So I'm sitting and this is crazy. But then they 231 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: have it on that big replay screen. Yes, and I 232 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: look and it's the same thing, and I know what 233 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: happened there. They don't. They can't replay. But I bet 234 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: that referee looked up there and goes, oh, man, you know, 235 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: oh come on, let's have a little group here, and 236 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: he probably said, hey, Billy Bob, I don't know what 237 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: you're looking at, but that was a bad let's just 238 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: talk for a few minutes. So let's wave this thing 239 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: off because it's a bad call. 240 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: But here's the key to it. There been calls waved 241 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: off before. I don't remember, you tell me, I never. 242 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: I literally do not remember another time when the penalty 243 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: has been announced and the ball has been moved to 244 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: that spot, and then they still say oh never mind. 245 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: That to me is a dangerous precedent. 246 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: There's no doubt. 247 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you lost your mind if you were the 248 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: Michigan State coach in that situation. 249 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Rightly, because how many times you see past interference overturn? Yes, 250 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: but that especially that long. You see it sometimes when 251 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: the god come running in from the south station. I 252 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: saw it correct. No what i' that was my point. 253 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: I know what happened about the third time it played 254 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: on the big screen. They the referees looking saying, huh, 255 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: we got a problem here. Now they got it right. 256 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that's a bad precedent, too, horrible President. 257 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: That's why I always advocated when I was coaching that 258 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: every coach should have one challenge throughout the game on 259 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: any penalty. Any penalty, yeah okay, And I always maintained 260 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: it always would happened late in the game, in a 261 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: close game, on a play that was going to define 262 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 3: the game, so that you could say, you know, hey, 263 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: I'm throwing the flag because that was past interferience or 264 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: that wasn't passed. And most of the time's bad calls 265 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: as well. 266 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: Here's you got some detractors out here today. 267 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't care. 268 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: Wait, college football games are too long, but Mace wants 269 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: p I reviewable. 270 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: You're going to add to the length of the game 271 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: if you make more if. 272 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: You make more calls reviewable, you think that's going to 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: shorten the game? 274 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: Make it right, Throw a couple of time outs out 275 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: and you have time. Well. 276 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: I almost don't want to read this one. My god, 277 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: this is just so. 278 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: Sugary. I wonder if somebody in your family wrote this. Supposedly, 279 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: he identifies himself as solid Blaine. With what the Gophers 280 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: have now to work with better facilities on campus stadium, 281 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: Mace would have won at least two Big Ten titles 282 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: and would have easily dominated the old division set up, 283 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: and would have easily had the Gophers of the Big 284 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: Ten title game on a minimum by yearly basis. I 285 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: will die on this hill. His offenses were the most 286 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: appealing to watch in all my years of being golfriend. 287 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm four and I'm forty four. To quote my Gundy, 288 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: I'm a man. Love this segment. That's solid Blaine. 289 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: You want me to where do you want me? 290 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: Let's find out you want to. 291 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: Want to send the check to sol Oh, it's nice 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: to have a guy that really knows what he's talking about. 293 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. And I at all the 294 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: criticism of my take. I don't beat my chest, yore, 295 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: I move on. 296 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: But what kind of criticism do you take what I'm 297 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: talking about? 298 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: For me? 299 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, what's the last thing I criticized you on? 300 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: Whatever? Just anyway, when I was doing a big Thing 301 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: game with Matt Devlin as he was the play by 302 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: play guy who is the voice of the Raptors in basketball, 303 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: and the first time he was in there, he said, 304 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: this is this great? This stadium is great, great, And 305 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: then he asked me, he said, let me ask you 306 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: a question. He said, how different would it have been 307 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: if you had this stadium, these facilities when you coached? 308 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: And I said, it's hard to answer, but I don't know. 309 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: One win a year, you know, And all of a 310 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: sudden he came back and said, one word a year. 311 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: You know what you'd have been accomplishing here if you 312 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: at Minnesota with one more winning. He can't prove that, 313 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: but I can tell you this, and anybody that doesn't 314 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: agree with this, I don't care that stadium compared to 315 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: that dome or I used to affect. We call it 316 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: the dump, you know, because there. 317 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: I don't care just sayings were held in. 318 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: Super Bowls were won there. 319 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Okay, the Bills in nineteen ninety two. Actually there were 320 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: some super bowls there, that's true. Rolling Stone, Well, you're 321 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: you've never You don't gave that stage. 322 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: You gave the metrical but one and one equals five. 323 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna even just just like because this is right. 324 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: First of all. 325 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: First of all, if I am so negative with you, 326 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: I'm the guy who I could have ignored the text. 327 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have to read it. You would never have 328 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: known that text had been sent in. I'm the guy 329 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: who was selfless enough to read it to give you 330 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: a chance to blow. 331 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: You're the guy. You're the guy that least has a 332 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: conscience and you feel so bad. That's what you've done 333 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: for me to me over the years, I've. 334 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: Remade you. Okay, let's be absolutely I have. I have. 335 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: Because of this show, your personality has had a chance 336 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: to show itself. 337 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: People who used to despise you now love you. 338 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: Now here's my last shot at Michigan. We know they're 339 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: not a. 340 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Very good I didn't understand the Yeah, this is unusual 341 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: for you be to. 342 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: This critical I am because because it's not fair to 343 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: the kids. And I'm sitting there and they're not a 344 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: very good football team, and they're in a game they 345 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: could win, all right now, I'm just going to tell 346 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: you they're not very good. So now they get on 347 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 3: first down, they pick up eight or nine yards, they 348 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: got second and short. I'm gonna just tell you you're 349 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: in that situation, get the first down, you know, don't 350 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: don't try to Oh I'm away. And so they throw 351 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: some pass incomplete. They come back on third down, throw 352 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: another pay incomplete, and they pumped the ball. Why you know, 353 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: you gotta avoid losing before you can win. And that 354 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: team Michigan State. And you not heard me be critical 355 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 3: like that. No, I just I think this this for 356 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't know what they're you know, these just because 357 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: you pay a guy a lot of money doesn't mean 358 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 3: he does a good job coach. And just because a 359 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: guy doesn't get paid doesn't mean he's not a great coach. 360 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 3: And they're and I know I'm unfair. I've seen him 361 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: play one time, yeah, but in that stadium last week. 362 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I think it's because you were there. 363 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if you would because when I 364 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: was doing Big Ten Network and I'd study, I'd say, 365 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: you know what, I used to say, a lot of 366 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: bad coaches out there. No, I tell you this. We 367 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: mentioned Denny Green before, and I think I mentioned this before. 368 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: One time when I was at Ohio State, we were 369 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: playing Northwestern, getting ready to play Northwestern. Denny Green was 370 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 3: the coach, and I'm watching. They don't have any talent. 371 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: They're not very good. I'll never forget it. I shut 372 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: the projector off and I said, Fellas, let's hope this 373 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: guy doesn't get any talent because he has to line 374 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: him up. They're a well coached football team. They just 375 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: didn't they didn't have guys. 376 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: That's why he ended up having the opportunities he did, 377 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: because I purely saw that. 378 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: They saw well. 379 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: He he he can coach. He just at Northwestern. He 380 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: just doesn't have very much talent. 381 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: He gave me one of the great laughs. When I 382 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: was coaching. I went out we were playing at North 383 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: Evanston late in the year. Went out there. It was cloudy, 384 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: dark and it was snow flurry, and Danny had this 385 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: beautiful white down jacket on, you know, and I walked 386 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: up to him. I said, Denny I said, man, you 387 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: look great. He'd turn around and he said, Nace. He said, 388 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: who you can? I look like a five hundred pound marshmallow. 389 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: I'll never I couldn't stuff self. 390 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: Deprecating to the fault. There's nothing wrong with that. 391 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: We got a lot of text are coming in here, 392 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to be able to read some 393 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: of them, but some. 394 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: Of them I think I can. 395 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: Didn't lou Holt say he didn't care about the Metro 396 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: and said he could win there. He made no excuses. Yeah, 397 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: it's a good point, that's ass and he left. 398 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: What was it? I had some Let me tell you 399 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: so I'm not getting involved. Let go. That's fine. The trigger, 400 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: that's fine, that's fine. 401 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: You can't start stop. 402 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. You were about to say no, I'm not. No, 403 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: you want me to. I'm not going to lower it 404 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 3: to your level. 405 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: It's what it's obviously what you believe. So let go 406 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: be honest about it. Don't just let it fester. 407 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: I can tell you every year I'm biased. When your 408 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: brethren the sportswriters ranked the big ten stadiums, who was 409 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: dead even behind Northwestern? Huh? I don't know that. I 410 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: don't know it was. Yes, it was. You know, I 411 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: know that because it was used against. 412 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: The incredib most versatile stadium. 413 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 414 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: Think of all that they tracked. 415 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: There were tractor pulls there, trah polls there, yelling stones 416 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: were there, they were you know what Vikings played. 417 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: Their twins won to let me ta there problem. 418 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's good. 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 420 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: I never heard Tom Kelly Grouse about it once. And 421 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: none of us liked indoor baseball, but we dealt with Yeah, okay, 422 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: twins dealt with it. 423 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: Just see it. Yeah, the dome was great. 424 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've gone down a nineteen ninety six, nineteen 425 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 4: ninety seven Dan Barrero Glen Mason rabbit hole. 426 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: Why do you do this because it's just gonna get 427 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: you said again, Well, no, you said I had an 428 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: open mind at the beginning, So I did facts versus fiction. 429 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: I wanted to see if I could find it. Oh, 430 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm still looking for that part of it. Open column. 431 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: You did write a column where you talked to Dooley 432 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 4: you're Georgia guy. Oh, Vince, Yeah, to kind of set 433 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: the stage on Mace and talk about why he was 434 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 4: a good coach and things like that. 435 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: But I haven't I haven't found anything else. Oh, that's right, 436 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 2: you had. We talked about that before you did. You 437 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: took the Georgia job for like a day, right or 438 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: was it two weeks? It was a week, okay, Yeah, 439 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: we talked about all that. 440 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: I got along great with Vince Dooley when I covered him. 441 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: Good. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying. 442 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: There was a letter to that. 443 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: There was at or to the editor that scolded you, 444 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 4: Dan for being too negative on the Gopher players and. 445 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: Not negative enough on the coach. 446 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: But they did say, if you're going to direct criticism, 447 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: that's basically the Mike Gundy do it to the to 448 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 4: the grown man. 449 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: Leave the players alone. 450 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: But if Glenn Mason deserves criticism, you should criticize. 451 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: He took that. I was. 452 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: I followed directions the whole the direct Lou Holts quote. 453 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: This from Dan Minnesota, the unofficial official sports historian of 454 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: the Bumper to Bumper program. 455 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: Here's the Holts quote. The kids want to play in 456 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: the dome. 457 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: He was wrong, just saying, yeah, yeah, that's right. 458 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: The kids. They gravitated to it. He wanted to coach 459 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: very novel touchdown. Yeah, that's notre dame. 460 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: I hadn't even do with the stadium. He'd have gone 461 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: to Notre Dame if they had a dome dome stadium. 462 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: There was Notre Dame, the Golden Dome, the Golden Dome. 463 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: That's different, all right, bottom of the hour, break more 464 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: with the money in your face. Let's do some money 465 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: the fan of two. 466 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 4: Men in the junk truck. I want to give you 467 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 4: a shot to win Bonus bucks. It is our national 468 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 4: cash contest. The keyword is deposit. Go to camfe in 469 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 4: dot com and enter the keyword deposit. 470 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: We need another no. 471 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: This is first day six one two guy rights. I 472 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: love this episode of getting Mace gone. In defense of Mace, 473 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: writes Ryan and Minnetrista. He coached in a different era 474 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: than Holtz. Facilities meant less and also multi sport complexes 475 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: were much more acceptable during Holt's time. 476 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: That's true. 477 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean he was right. They were right, 478 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: but that was. 479 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: The dome was terrible. Write it down and denying it. 480 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: But it was at that point in the early days, 481 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: perceived differently, just like the Houston Astro Dome was perceived differently. 482 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: The Indianapolis Hoo's your dome. Now we reached a POI 483 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 2: wert Oh, These MultiPro are not the way to go. 484 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: And you got to have. 485 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: Your your your, your, your arena or stadium on campus 486 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: as well. 487 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: By the way, okay, let me just say add to 488 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: that though. One thing. The other thing where I'm a 489 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: little bit painted on the whole thing is that I 490 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: assume that the Gophers had to be part of the 491 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 3: deal to get that dome moving downtown. We had no rights. Yeah, zero. 492 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: I mean, if if you think whoever go out in 493 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: sports facilities, whoever negotiated the deal. I made a comment 494 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 3: one time. I'm gonna tell you, I don't know if 495 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: he's still alive. I made a comment to Bill Bill Okay, 496 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 3: I like Bill West, don't get me wrong. But I 497 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: went down there and I was looking to get two 498 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: weekends a year for recruiting. That was set up like 499 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 3: a field and I couldn't because I'd have guys in 500 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 3: and it looked like a tractor pull snowmobile contest, what 501 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: you name it. And he said, no, you know you 502 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: can't do that, of which I got a little perturbed, 503 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: and I said, you know, this is ridiculous. I said, 504 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I read the contract. I said, 505 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: I don't know who negotiated the contract for the university, 506 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: but one of the two things is apparent to me. 507 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: Either they were on the take or they were stupid. 508 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: And oh my god, he said you better be careful 509 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: what you say. I said, I'm just telling you what 510 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: I think. Absolutely I said it, and I wasn't saying 511 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: about him because because if you would have seen the 512 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: locker room we had to use, and we had no rights, 513 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: and we you know, you know, we had moved games 514 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: do this. I mean it was it was now if 515 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 3: you check out. When I first came here, I said 516 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: great things about the dome, you know what, because I 517 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: had to play there. And if I said negative things, 518 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: we used against me, recruting. I was verified what they're 519 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: saying now. I got to the place I said, you know, 520 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 3: that's self serving. And I didn't want the guy that 521 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: would follow me to come in here and say we 522 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: got and have like you two guys, Oh, Kelly liked it, 523 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: Oh the holds life. I didn't want to say, well, hey, 524 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: Mason had no problem with it. I want to say, 525 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: you know what, I don't want to say the right thing. 526 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: This is terrible. It's got to go back on campus. 527 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 3: And I never thought that wasn't so certain because I 528 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: never thought i'd ever coach in there, and I was right. Uh, 529 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 3: but that was the right thing to do. 530 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: Mace, Yeah, thank you for what It's a wonderful stadium. 531 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: It is. It's a wonderful study. Whoever was responsible for 532 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 3: moving out of Memorial Stadium and putting a swimming pool 533 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: in the middle, come on, they why would you? 534 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: Why why didn't you ever go out? 535 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: What? Why why would you? Why didn't you ever go 536 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: after red? Rest in peace? 537 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: I agree? 538 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: Maybe did he own the land? Yeah, but my point is, 539 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: why would you all of a sudden move out of there? 540 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: And the stadium was still there? And before they knocked 541 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 3: the stadium they put a swimming pool on the field. 542 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: What well were they afraid? Maybe they one days say. 543 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: What's possible? 544 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: They weren't selling out Memorial Stadium before before it went away, 545 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: they were their attendants stunk at Memorial Stadium. 546 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: Maybe you had to improve the stadium. 547 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: Maybe I need to improve the team. 548 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: Well, of course we had to be part of it, 549 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 3: part of it. You know. You ever hear of commitment? Commitment? Yeah, 550 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: well they got it. Yeah, Well, I'm just. 551 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Saying they got it now, it's not my fault that 552 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: you came along too stre defending it though, Oh. 553 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 3: I'm just saying. 554 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that, you know. I mean, sometimes 555 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: you gotta work with what you gotta work with. I mean, 556 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: you know that's what we do here cafe, and you gotta. 557 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: We gotta work with what you. 558 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: Think we We would like better facilities, Yeah, but we're 559 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: we This is like the taj we make. 560 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: We like more support staff. 561 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: It is. There's no one else here in the afternoons. Literally, 562 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: I thought that, Well, that's. 563 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: Like there's somebody else over there. I don't know who 564 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: that is. Kestler. 565 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: Hey, come on, let's get back. Hey, we got a 566 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 2: big game like to happen. What's more likely to happen 567 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: Iowa beats Oregon or Penn State beats Indiana. What's more 568 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: likely of those two things. 569 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 3: Would beat Oregon? Yeah, I think so, even though I 570 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: think it's a trap game for Indiana at Penn State. 571 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's interesting. I think I was 572 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: not a talented team, but they're a darn good team. 573 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: When I saw them play, I was impressed, and he's 574 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 3: made some changes offense. They continue to play good defense. 575 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: But as I was sitting watching that game on TIA said, man, man, 576 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: are they aggressive and they're good offense and defensive lines. 577 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 3: If the quarterback hadn't got hurt, they might have beat 578 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 3: Indiana possibly. I mean, they're they're a team. If you're 579 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: really good and you and everybody says you're probably should 580 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: favorite to win them, you don't want to play them. 581 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: Now here's the interesting thing that I came across about 582 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: Oregon in Iowa. The last time Oregon played in Kinnick Stadium, Okay, 583 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: which was nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine, Kirk Ferrence was 584 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 3: the offensive line coach. Dan Lanning was three years old. 585 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: How's that? That's impressive. That's a good stat you know that. 586 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: I started thinking about it. I can't believe that. I 587 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: thought nineteen eighty nine. Hey, I was in my second 588 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: year at Kansas and Dan Lanning, you know, went to 589 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: high school. They're in Kansas City. 590 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: Jeez, guards you what is the spread in the six 591 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: and a half? I think Oregon Oregon. 592 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I'll check it. Six and 593 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: a half. Interesting. 594 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: Now here's the other thing which is really impressive. Since 595 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: two thousand, two thousand, Iowa has upset seven ap top 596 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: ten teams. That's pretty impressive. 597 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: That is impressive, very impressive. I wasn't aware of that. Yeah, 598 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: good stat, good nugget, I got one for you. 599 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 600 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 2: In all games this season twenty twenty five season, Indiana 601 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: four or four opponents ninety seven, average margin of victory 602 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: is thirty four Big ten games Indiana two forty eight 603 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: opponents seventy four, average margin of victory forty one to twelve, 604 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: twenty nine points. 605 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: And you doubted them. I doubt about the Hoosiers, just 606 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: doubt him. But well, do you know what? You know what? 607 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: And that's very very impressive. You know. One thing I'd 608 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: worry about in that whole thing, how about that close game. 609 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: In the four, Well, the Iowa game was kind of close, 610 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, mean, you're really battle hard. 611 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: Like they talk about Georgia now, seems like Georgia starts 612 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: slower anyway. Yeah, it comes down to the fourth and 613 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: somehow somewhat that's a concern they went maybe not. They're 614 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 3: a really good football team and rank number two in 615 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: the country. You know, gotta be good if based on 616 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: those stats, if they didn't have an eye you on 617 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: their helmet they had that silver helmet or Bama Alabama, 618 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: they probably number one. 619 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: Probably true on nine five two guy nails it quoting you. 620 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: Penn State is a trap game for Indiana. What world 621 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: is this? 622 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: It's so true? Think about the how the how. 623 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: Absurd that statement in any other year before Signette would 624 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: sound that Indiana going to Penn State. 625 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: That's a trap game for Indiana. Better be careful. 626 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: Yeah I say Indiana. I mean, uh, Indiana's on a roll. Great, 627 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: Penn State has not won a Big ten game and 628 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: they go. But my point being, the guys down in Indiana, 629 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: if they started, we got that one. Penn State still 630 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: has played. There was a reason why they were a 631 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: pre season pick. To be answer, they've got they recruit. 632 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: I mean they well every year, you know, they get 633 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: the four stars, five stars whatever that means. They've gotten town. 634 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: Now they're they're messed up. Okay, now what I don't know. 635 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: They may be really messed up because when you fire 636 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: your head coach, everybody is eligible for the transfer portal. 637 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: So if guys are more worried in talking to their 638 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: agents about where can I go, this, that and the other, 639 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: rather than focusing on Penn State. But if someone leadership there, 640 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: either coach leadership or player leadership, can bring those guys 641 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: together and say, hey, you know what we're playing for. 642 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: We're playing for pride. You know you don't you don't 643 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: play for a ring or you play for the for 644 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: your own pride, your team, and you say, you know, 645 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: we can feel really good if we're not here the 646 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: all care. That's why it's a trap game. 647 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: One hundred percent true. Let's get a break and one 648 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: more in. I've got a gambling question I need to 649 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: ask you next. Mace in your face Kessler coming up 650 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: at five. 651 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: Time now for the Vikings Report on the Fan, presented 652 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 5: by Miller Lte. Viking's wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Dan 653 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 5: Burrero next from the six five to one Carpets plus 654 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,239 Speaker 5: home of the next day in Saul Studios. This is 655 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 5: Berrero on FM one hundred point three KFN the Fan. 656 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: A quick Vikings item as we wrap things up with 657 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: the mace in your face, it appears we are one 658 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: of a number of teams that will accommodate the wishes 659 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: of a Sante Samuel Junior. He's going to kind of 660 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: on tour and he plans to visit us, the Niners, 661 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: the Bears, the Steelers, the Panthers, and the Packers. 662 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 3: Wow. 663 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: So he is in demand, and I know there was 664 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: because we got a lot of questions yesterday about the 665 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: possibility of adding a Sante Samuel Junior to the mix 666 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: now that he has been cleared to play. Latest. We've 667 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: talked a lot of gambling with you recently. But there's 668 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: a development that we talked on the show about yesterday 669 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: that makes no sense to me, but I want to 670 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: get your view on it that the NCAA seems to 671 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: be so far willing to go along with the at 672 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: least the possibility of allowing college players to bet on 673 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: pro sports. Now, the head of the SEC, I think 674 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: it's Sankee, has said this is preposterous and absurd and 675 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: dangerous and ridiculous. It sounds crazy to me too, So 676 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: wouldn't you be a little concerned what that means? 677 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: The biggest threat to any sport is gambling, you know, 678 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: because if the fix is in, uh, it is all 679 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 3: credibility in what you're doing. And there for years, UH 680 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 3: we tried to keep guys away, players away, coaches away, 681 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 3: and they had to rule. I mean that you couldn't 682 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: even be as a coach or player in the NCAA 683 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 3: if you participated in a final four pool, you know, 684 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: March Madness pool. That was a violation you could and 685 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 3: because they don't want you ain't gambling, you know, And 686 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 3: to say, why why would you want that? Why would 687 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 3: you Oh, that's okay, And especially with the use of 688 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: ready made gambling right on your phone all the time, Uh, 689 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 3: it's it's insane. And uh, you know, Dan, when I 690 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 3: was the president of American Football Coaches Association one you're 691 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: we took went on a lobbying group myself and I 692 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 3: think about three or four of the coaches, Terry Donahue 693 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 3: and I think Lou Holtz was there, and we went 694 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: to Washington. We all had lobbies and we went around 695 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: to see all the politicians to try to make sure 696 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 3: that sports books weren't legalized in states at that time, 697 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: only in Nevada, and trying to guard against that happening 698 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 3: because of the threat of what he could do to sports. 699 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 3: And there wasn't one politician that I talked to, and 700 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: that any I think any other coach say the same 701 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: thing that they didn't say. Yeah, I didn't I would. 702 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 3: I would be in favor of that, but you got 703 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: no chance. And I said, why is that? They said, 704 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 3: because read what was his first name, the guy from Nevada, 705 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: politician Harry Harry Harry Reid will never bring it up 706 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 3: for a vote. I said, he's got that much power. 707 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 3: They said, absolutely. But to go the other way and 708 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 3: let this happen, especially at a time when you see 709 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: that you had the issues down I think at Iowa 710 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: and Iowa State. We had issues in basketball before. It's baseball. 711 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 3: It's happening in pro football, you know right now? Why 712 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 3: would encourage it same way? Why would the Big Ten 713 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 3: take their annual media days out of Chicago and take 714 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 3: them to Las Vegas? 715 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: Guards is excited about that? Why you had a great time? 716 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because they got good buffets there. Come on, 717 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: let's be honest there. 718 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: Okay, they should never leave Indianapolis. I don't think they should. 719 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: Well whatever, why would you go out there? There's no 720 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 2: there's no Big Ten school in yeah Nevada. Yeah, yeah, 721 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 2: But I mean it just you wonder who's making those decisions. 722 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: I just don't understand the NCAA. As you know, we've 723 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: talked with this before. 724 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 2: It seems like they've gone from being the most one 725 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 2: of the most autocratic, you know regimes to now they're 726 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 2: afraid they lose everything, so they just don't even fight. 727 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 3: Well, well, the other thing is everybody's worried about player rights. 728 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh that's they got real human beings, they've 729 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 2: got rights. 730 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: Okay, now let me just say the ridiculous scenario. As 731 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 3: we know, TV controls Star times, no one knows when. 732 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 3: You don't know if you're going to play it at 733 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 3: eleven o'clock in the morning, at one o'clock or two 734 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: thirty or at night time, and a lot of those 735 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 3: games times aren't decided until day before the game. So hypothetically, 736 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: let's say, go, all of a sudden, you think you 737 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 3: can have eleven o'clock game, that's what you're thinking. And 738 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 3: now oh, it comes out no, you're going to be 739 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: playing at seven o'clock on whatever, and a bunch of 740 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: guys say, hey, we can't go to the game. That's 741 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 3: our fraternity formal that night. You know, we planned, we 742 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 3: had plans. It was supposed to be eleven o'clock game, 743 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 3: and now you know we can't go to the game. Well, 744 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 3: that's their players rightly. Doesn't anybody talk to them about 745 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 3: what you think about playing at night or when the kids? Says, 746 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 3: I thought I was going to play at eleven o'clock 747 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 3: and it was away game, and I'd probably get home 748 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 3: for dinner time. But no, I'm going to play seven 749 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 3: o'clock at night and it's out and wherever it is, 750 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 3: and I'm not going to get home at three o'clock 751 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: in the morning. Isn't that they're right too? 752 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: Well? 753 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: Yes, except that we all know that the real commissioners 754 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 2: are the ones who run TV. 755 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I couldn't agree with. 756 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: You more anything else. Before we go, we got to 757 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: wrap up. 758 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: We got Kessler coming up to talk about a big 759 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: election day yesterday of elections determined, we got an incumbent 760 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: mayor wins. We got another incumbent mayor who is out, 761 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: Saint Paul. Any quickies before we. 762 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: Go, Well, you know we've talked about Nebraska, Yeah, a 763 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 3: lot on this show, and I you know Nebraska, everybody 764 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 3: keeps well, went to next year, we're going to get 765 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 3: back that we were in the nineties. I don't think 766 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 3: we're gonna get back there. And I said, if Matt 767 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 3: Rule can't get it done, and you know, he lost 768 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 3: again to USC, and that's it's not the USC that 769 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 3: we always remember. They're just not a very good football team. 770 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 3: And yeah, and now they lost their quarterback. 771 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 2: And yet their head coach ends up with a better 772 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 2: contract than Signetti. That makes no sense. 773 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 3: Well, it's insanity, I keep telling you. In college, I 774 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 3: don't know who's making those decisions. 775 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: A d's. 776 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 3: Board of trustees, presidents with public money. It's crazy. 777 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: One last text, and I'll ask Guardsy if he'd heard 778 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 2: about this too. 779 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: This is from jeff In. Looks like is it rich Field? Yeah? Richfield? 780 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: I know you don't talk a lot of UFC, but 781 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: did you see the FBI is investigating fixed fights. They 782 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: had one that took place just this past Saturday lines 783 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 2: and a heavily favored fighter shifted last minute when five 784 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 2: huge bets were placed against the favorite lo and behold. 785 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: The favorite lost easily. Fed said there could be over 786 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: one hundred fights involved. I missed that completely. So that's 787 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: my point. 788 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 3: Hey, let's not forget. We still got to get the Jacks. 789 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 3: Got to do that. We do, you know, really it's 790 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 3: that we're over Well you had a big breakfast with 791 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 3: uh well, yeah, he didn't get invited. No, I didn't 792 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 3: get invited. 793 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: But he barely got a word edge. 794 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 3: Why he had pancakes, French toes, eggs, Maggie, I mean 795 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 3: our good friend Dave, do you know from uh, from Tampa. 796 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 3: That's that's a Michigan guy. But he's a golfer fan also, 797 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: right and really and he liked the dome, No fan 798 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 3: of the you know what he said, but he said 799 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 3: he's down there in Tampa. You know Saint Petersburg. You 800 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 3: that baseball stadium's he told me and you were there. 801 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 3: He said that thing is the worst that athletic facility 802 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: other than the don't did you really say that? Yep? 803 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: And explains it? Uh, thanks you. I only had an 804 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: I didn't have pancakes. I'm assuming that Jack was a 805 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: bit well he's factor fiction guy to make stuff up. Uh, 806 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: Kerry Limo. 807 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 2: We always appreciate their help, your help as well. Yeah right, 808 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 2: well we'll see you back here next week. Absolutely beautiful thing. 809 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 2: All right, Kesseler is coming up. That's the plan. I'm 810 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 2: actually bowing out a little early today, so guards he's 811 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 2: in charge the rest of the way out at six tonight, 812 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 2: and you're out of six tonight anyway, correct for Wolve's 813 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: hoop action. 814 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to get Viikings programming in first, and 815 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 4: then Wolves Nicks, the return of Anthony Edwards. 816 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 2: We believe another national. It's the first of too. That's 817 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: the ESPN first game of the national double header. I 818 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 2: think on ESPN tonight they have some games, don't they ESPN. 819 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: They do, Yeah, I don't know if they're I like 820 00:41:59,560 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: him better. 821 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 3: I do. 822 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: I like the NBA better on NBC and Peacock. I'm 823 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 2: not gonna lie like I do like the coverage of 824 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 2: it better. And it's not just nostalgia. We'll talk about 825 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: that more tomorrow. Top of the Hour pause and Kessie 826 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: coming up.