Speaker 1: Do want to be an American's pony here on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WIW Absolutely incredible weekend here in the city, and
Speaker 1: it ain't good. We've got the huge Bengals loss to
Speaker 1: chop up James Rapine in about a half hour. Normally's
Speaker 1: on like eleven thirty five. He's going to be on
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, because you know, you'd anticipate with the loss,
Speaker 1: this historic, this bad and back to back weeks, heads
Speaker 1: would roll. Of course, this is Cincinnati. You could be really,
Speaker 1: really bad and still have years and years and years
Speaker 1: of grace. That's how we do things. But we also
Speaker 1: have more troubling news than that, because it's literally life
Speaker 1: and death and another bad and bloody weekend in the city.
Speaker 1: On Friday, video of the July brawl leaked out, confirming
Speaker 1: what Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, said in quarter a while
Speaker 1: back when arraignments were being made that the victim of
Speaker 1: this case, el Chinowski, he was attacked. He was the victim,
Speaker 1: showed him attack from behind, and the one man arrested
Speaker 1: prior to him slapping someone. So we now have the
Speaker 1: evidence leaking out days before the election, and tomorrow being
Speaker 1: election day, Saturday, four people shout out set a nightclub
Speaker 1: in Otr at one o'clock in the morning, and then
Speaker 1: about a half hour later, multiple people shot at Carthage
Speaker 1: Carthage at sixty ninth and Vine. I believe three shot
Speaker 1: and another killed. Seven people shot, one dead this weekend
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, and voters will head to the polls tomorrow
Speaker 1: to decide what kind of leadership, if any, they want
Speaker 1: one of the people seeking your voter's council member, hopefully
Speaker 1: a lot. Chris Smithman on the show on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WW has been very vocal about this, and Chris, this
Speaker 1: has been a horrible weekend in what feels like a steady,
Speaker 1: ongoing drumbeat of horrible news in our town here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Hey, Thanks Sloanly. It was a tough weekend, and
Speaker 2: I think you're right. We've had a lot of tough weekends.
Speaker 2: And the problem has been from my perspective, is that
Speaker 2: this council collectively and the mayor and the administration have
Speaker 2: just taken their eye off the ball. And this is
Speaker 2: what happens when you say you want to defund the
Speaker 2: police or you want to reimagine them, and when you
Speaker 2: allow attrition to have us two hundred officers down and
Speaker 2: expect our cops to do their job when you're telling them,
Speaker 2: don't do proactive policing. And it's not like Sloan, you
Speaker 2: and I don't agree with community based policing. I mean
Speaker 2: it all comes back to training, training, training. We have
Speaker 2: the best training in the state of Ohio. I mean,
Speaker 2: Columbus will say they have a great training. We have
Speaker 2: a great training here.
Speaker 3: For our cops.
Speaker 2: But we got to let our cops do their job
Speaker 2: and we've got to back them up Sloan when they
Speaker 2: do it. And we know that there's a racial undertone
Speaker 2: to this conversation that we've got to be willing to have.
Speaker 2: And so we know that when our white young officers
Speaker 2: approach a young African American male in the Dora or
Speaker 2: on the bank and they're thirteen or fifteen years old,
Speaker 2: it's two o'clock in the morning, why aren't our officers
Speaker 2: given the power to ask that young person, why are
Speaker 2: you breaking? Kurve you and what are you doing? And
Speaker 2: we know that if they have a firearm, that it's
Speaker 2: like oil and water. Now you've got a cop in
Speaker 2: a situation with a young African American with a gun
Speaker 2: that might end up in a tragic situation. Whether we
Speaker 2: have the elected to turn their back on that cop.
Speaker 2: That then scares all police officers to go, wow, I
Speaker 2: don't want my life destroyed. And I'm going to end
Speaker 2: by saying on this little piece with you, soan, we
Speaker 2: saw it happen. We had a young African American male
Speaker 2: in a stolen car running with a firearm that tragically right,
Speaker 2: my condolences to the family, my but the but the
Speaker 2: officer made the right decision. And we have a young
Speaker 2: person who lost his lost his life. The next day,
Speaker 2: the father takes his car and kills the sheriff who's there,
Speaker 2: you know, doing traffic, who's retired, has has children that
Speaker 2: he's adopting. Right during the UC graduation. What have slowly
Speaker 2: you heard nothing from the nine members of council. You
Speaker 2: heard no denouncement of it. You didn't hear anything from
Speaker 2: the mayor, no denouncement of it. And then we've got
Speaker 2: to go fund me account for the killer, saying let's
Speaker 2: give him money, and then people saying I for an
Speaker 2: eye and tooth for tooth with no no response from
Speaker 2: the nothing.
Speaker 1: No one's talking about that, and then on Friday, Chris
Speaker 1: Chris Smitheman, the footage leaked out. Finally, it's been three
Speaker 1: months since the July brawl. Uh, the surveillance just comes
Speaker 1: out at basketball kick geyn and said, you clearly see
Speaker 1: there's a blackmail striking the white guy in the back
Speaker 1: of the head. And of course the viral moment was
Speaker 1: picked up when he turned and started slapping some one
Speaker 1: four or ten retaliation. We heard that they were harassed.
Speaker 1: Racial epitats were thrown at them. It was intolerable the racism.
Speaker 1: But it only goes one way in Cincinnati, and that
Speaker 1: can only be that blacks are the victim of racism.
Speaker 1: There's no comments whatsoever. They've sat on this thing. Finally
Speaker 1: it leaks out a couple days before the election, and
Speaker 1: that to politics, I suppose, But the fact of the matter,
Speaker 1: it wasn't released through the proper public records requests, and
Speaker 1: when you have something like this, it's going to leak out.
Speaker 1: The days of sitting on something are gone. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: it's taken this long. The issue here, though, is what
Speaker 1: is the city's policy regarding public safety, the footage and
Speaker 1: transparency with taxpayers, because you feel there is none unless
Speaker 1: it fits a particular preconceived narrative.
Speaker 2: You and I know that if the roles were reversed
Speaker 2: and there were five African Americans being beat in the
Speaker 2: middle of our downtown, there would have been a different
Speaker 2: response naturally based on what happened, and people wouldn't be
Speaker 2: sitting around in this council and this mayor would have
Speaker 2: had a completely different response. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: we also know that the mayor and the members of
Speaker 2: council should have requested to take If I was the
Speaker 2: vice mayor, I served, I was chair of law in
Speaker 2: public safety, all you have to do is go to
Speaker 2: that investigator, and the investigators were signally listen, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: press charges, which is a part of this conversation because
Speaker 2: you have members of council hold press conferences and say what,
Speaker 2: I got one in the chamber. You got forty eight
Speaker 2: hours to respond, and you better arrest somebody white. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, there's a captain out there who signed off
Speaker 2: on something. They arrested somebody white. That person now has
Speaker 2: a lawyer. You know that the charges are going to
Speaker 2: be dropped in December after the election, and you know
Speaker 2: that that person's gonna sue because you've called him a
Speaker 2: racist and you've tried to destroy his life. But guess
Speaker 2: what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve
Speaker 2: to get the men she saw on council and Holly
Speaker 2: who somebody. You know. When I saw the video flown,
Speaker 2: I thought she was dead. There's no question the way
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 4: Touched so widely.
Speaker 2: My point to you and everybody listening, Look, this shows
Speaker 2: you that we could have had some type of racial
Speaker 2: explosion in our downtown based on the conduct of the
Speaker 2: nine members of council and the mayor. Here's what I
Speaker 2: think happened. I think that they saw the video, they
Speaker 2: knew what was happening, and they were pushing to the speculation.
Speaker 2: They're pushing the election, trying to divide us racially, so
Speaker 2: they wanted the energy in the African American community, the
Speaker 2: Democrats to go take simple ballots, believing that they were harmed,
Speaker 2: that they were victims in some kind of way, and
Speaker 2: the reality was that the people who are the real
Speaker 2: victims are the white citizens who were down there who
Speaker 2: got the hell beat out of them for nothing.
Speaker 1: Christopher smitheman who's running, We'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: if Indian he winds up getting a council seat. We
Speaker 1: were all outrage at what transpared to what happened to
Speaker 1: Lincoln Heights relative to the neo Nazis who were protesting
Speaker 1: on the overpass, how the situation was handled, the audacity
Speaker 1: and the thoughts of the people who are doing the
Speaker 1: protesting the Nazis, we collected, we're all outraged about this,
Speaker 1: and yet we should be the outrage about this to
Speaker 1: the same level, to the same degree because of what happened.
Speaker 1: Racism shouldn't be tolerated. But sadly there's an asterisk there.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's tolerated when it's a block on white,
Speaker 1: but not so much when it's white on black.
Speaker 2: SONI I think we should be more outraged. I think
Speaker 2: it's worse, and I'll explain why I think it's worse.
Speaker 2: First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights.
Speaker 2: You know, my family is from the South. My grandfathers
Speaker 2: understood the clan. They were dicticrat, they were democrat and
Speaker 2: they were down there trying to stop African Americans from
Speaker 2: voting in the South. And thank god we had the
Speaker 2: North of the South and lost hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: our Americans who fought in one of the bloodiest civil
Speaker 2: wars ever in our history, and that ultimately freed us
Speaker 2: through the President Lincoln and all that history. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, we had the mayor, we
Speaker 2: had the members of council, we had the city manager,
Speaker 2: we had the city solicitors. Off is all complicit in
Speaker 2: hiding this video that came from three CDC. That's very
Speaker 2: different than the average citizen walking around who's acting like
Speaker 2: a fool saying they're a skin head and going out
Speaker 2: and engaging in domestic terrorism. And I denounced it, and
Speaker 2: I think it's horrible, but we can't look around that.
Speaker 2: We had a mayor and members of council who had
Speaker 2: to have known that the entirety of that video existed,
Speaker 2: with the cameras right there looking at it, to say,
Speaker 2: let's bring the video in and see what happened. Clearly,
Speaker 2: there was an African American man who punched that man
Speaker 2: in the back of his head. And most people slowly
Speaker 2: who are listening to you and I talk right now,
Speaker 2: they haven't even seen the video because CNN and places
Speaker 2: like Fox and all those they haven't gone back and
Speaker 2: taken the video and said, who, let's correct the record.
Speaker 2: This is actually what happened, and that is why this
Speaker 2: young this person who was beat up who now the
Speaker 2: city councilor and the city solicitor said hey, go and
Speaker 2: arrest him. And I actually believe this is one of
Speaker 2: the re that Fiji is being terminated because she wasn't
Speaker 2: playing with his manager and playing with this mayor. Remember
Speaker 2: she refused to sign off on the arrest warrant. The
Speaker 2: captain who is now the chief signed off on it. Yes,
Speaker 2: I have no idea where this is going to go,
Speaker 2: but the reality of it is something happened that should
Speaker 2: not have happened. We start playing politics with the law,
Speaker 2: and the mayor and council are absolutely complicit in this.
Speaker 1: And it goes deeper than that. And this is kind
Speaker 1: of a little of a side that Kevin Farmer. This
Speaker 1: is a guy got arrested over the weekend and Rosemary
Speaker 1: Oglesby Henry is a congressional candidate, both black Kevin and
Speaker 1: I don't know what their relationship was, but he was
Speaker 1: stalking or going to anyway. This is a while ago.
Speaker 1: To illustrate what you're saying, is, and he's campaigning he
Speaker 1: wants to run or was running anyway for the same
Speaker 1: seat that you want. Christopher Smitherman, and he accused, and
Speaker 1: this is about a month ago, made no news whatsoever,
Speaker 1: accused black women of routinely making false allegations of violence
Speaker 1: against black man, saying we have to worry about white
Speaker 1: America and we have to worry about black women. I
Speaker 1: saw the comment. The naac responded and defended black women.
Speaker 1: Not a word was said about the the the avert racism,
Speaker 1: the direct racism, the part of a council candidate saying
Speaker 1: we've got to worry about white people. White people are
Speaker 1: the problem, white people are the danger. No one called
Speaker 1: them out on that. The NAACP didn't, and certainly the
Speaker 1: reverence like Damon Lynch the third kind of backed up
Speaker 1: with the NAACP head it's wait a minute, you can
Speaker 1: you can go after and classify white people as the
Speaker 1: enemy is evil and that's why you've got to vote
Speaker 1: for me, because we've got to destroy white America from
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, and no one said anything about this,
Speaker 1: didn't even make news.
Speaker 2: Look, my father used to say to us at home,
Speaker 2: every white person isn't your enemy, and every black person
Speaker 2: is at your friend. Correct, And so we're so we're
Speaker 2: so bathing in the in this racial component in our society.
Speaker 2: And I believe that you and I and we've got
Speaker 2: to have these public conversations to show that we can
Speaker 2: have these conversations and be close friends. That's part of
Speaker 2: the problem. Number two. I send my my prayers out
Speaker 2: to Kevin Farmer and and and and his significant other
Speaker 2: or his friend, whatever's going on. I have no idea
Speaker 2: of the fact pattern there, but I send my defense,
Speaker 2: my respect and and I hope that this whole thing
Speaker 2: is sorted out. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: this is very different. When you have a city manager
Speaker 2: who's probably making over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: You've got a mayor right who clearly wants to be
Speaker 2: the governor or something else, disinterested in our city making
Speaker 2: six figures. You've got a council collectively that all of
Speaker 2: them had access to this video, all of them did,
Speaker 2: and what did they do with it? They came and
Speaker 2: held press conferences and said, hey, we're gonna do nothing.
Speaker 2: And let me also before we before I get too
Speaker 2: far away from this, I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 2: want to miss that. We had Cassandra win, a mother
Speaker 2: of five in OTR, who was shot in the back,
Speaker 2: and we still don't know who killed her. And so
Speaker 2: Ronda Wynn, who I have had communications with the mother,
Speaker 2: is very she's grieving because we do not have the killer.
Speaker 2: We have a picture of somebody who shot as she
Speaker 2: tells me thirty times, right where where are the African
Speaker 2: American leaders calling and working with us to find who
Speaker 2: killed Cassandra Wynn? We are silent on these issues. We've
Speaker 2: got to put a voice to him. And then I
Speaker 2: want to say for Sarah Herringer and her husband Patrick,
Speaker 2: who would ever believe that we would have somebody who
Speaker 2: had some type of electronic device on their ankle who
Speaker 2: took it off. Sloane who's walking around our city. No
Speaker 2: one seems to know where the hell he is. He
Speaker 2: shows up on Sarah's front door, on Patrick's door, and
Speaker 2: kills Patrick. This is a guy who did two tours
Speaker 2: and guess what our mayor, during a debate or during
Speaker 2: that press conference, was asked, have you reached out to
Speaker 2: these victims? I don't have time to do that. I
Speaker 2: don't do that. I don't reach out to the victims.
Speaker 2: I'm saying to everybody listening. And I said this before.
Speaker 2: I went to the School for Creative and Performing Arts
Speaker 2: and one of the plays we did with the wig,
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. This guy reminds me of
Speaker 2: the Scarecrow without a brain. He reminds me of the
Speaker 2: Lion without courage. He reminds me of the ten Man
Speaker 2: without a Heart. All the trilogy all together, and he
Speaker 2: is actually the Wizard of Awe. He's out there playing
Speaker 2: like he knows what he's doing, and he doesn't. And
Speaker 2: the problem is we're dealing with people's lives slowly. This
Speaker 2: is one of the most consequential elections in my life.
Speaker 1: I bring this all together, the thing with Farmer and this,
Speaker 1: and the fact of the matter is just like racism
Speaker 1: only works one and that's not true. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's bringing the city together. I think that's it's petty
Speaker 1: and it's vindictive. It's the visive and you're not elevating people.
Speaker 5: You see it.
Speaker 1: You have your worldview, you're not changing your mind. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, we had the shooting over the weekend
Speaker 1: with seven people shot in two different shooting. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess three if you count to Carthage in two different spots,
Speaker 1: but the one and over the line in particular, it's Halloween.
Speaker 1: People are out reveling, having a good time partying, and
Speaker 1: then gunshots ring out about one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'm told that there have been multiple calls to this bar.
Speaker 1: This particular bar has been a problem for months now.
Speaker 1: And again we're back to that issue where the governor
Speaker 1: is going to send in some help with liquor control
Speaker 1: and all that and shut out the bad actors. We
Speaker 1: talked about hookah lounges and stuff like that. We got
Speaker 1: these clubs that are open till, you know, three four
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, doing what you want to do.
Speaker 1: But the food trucks, of course, are the problem. I
Speaker 1: got to shut those down because someone getting a hot
Speaker 1: dog is the criminal, not the people are who are
Speaker 1: selling after hours. But I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: case with this bar and over the Rhine, but I'm
Speaker 1: told that there have been multiple service calls and multiple
Speaker 1: concerns about the people that were in and around this
Speaker 1: particular establishment. If you turn a blind eye towards that,
Speaker 1: and let's just say that the owners of this club,
Speaker 1: the privy that I understand they had a couple of
Speaker 1: armed security guards. They were wanding people when they came in,
Speaker 1: make sure they have anything on them. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much more as a business owner you can do.
Speaker 1: But what about the fact that you have multiple calls
Speaker 1: of service there and it's been a problem, and yet
Speaker 1: you could kind of see that this something like this
Speaker 1: might happen. This is preventable if the city would have
Speaker 1: been stricter and tougher and enforcement and policing correct.
Speaker 2: That would be correct. And what I will say to
Speaker 2: you is that I don't know the fact patterns behind
Speaker 2: this particular establishment, but if elected, I certainly would find
Speaker 2: out what those fact patterns are. And the way you
Speaker 2: do this is you go through Law and public safety.
Speaker 2: We have a Chair of Law and Public Safety, which
Speaker 2: is council member Scottie Johnson, and you have a hearing
Speaker 2: where you bring the owners in of the establishment and
Speaker 2: you begin to ask them questions, and you make sure
Speaker 2: that the police department in this establishment has some type
Speaker 2: of plan in writing to deal with the issue, and
Speaker 2: if it's not dealt with, then you deal with the establishment.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why there hasn't been a public
Speaker 2: hearing about it, right. For example, I don't know why
Speaker 2: there hasn't been a public hearing about the term of
Speaker 2: the fire chief or or public hearing about the determination
Speaker 2: of the police chief. Meaning these things are happening, and
Speaker 2: you can't find a council member with a search warrant.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they come and give you interviews,
Speaker 2: but I want you to share with you. Normal protocol
Speaker 2: in these situations is for your elected officials to come
Speaker 2: on the air like this and have public conversations. That's
Speaker 2: what we do. And for whatever reason, this council is
Speaker 2: hiding behind a sample ballot. They're just wanting people to
Speaker 2: vote for them, lyingly, vote here's the sample ballot. And
Speaker 2: if we do that tomorrow, elections have consequences. That's what
Speaker 2: we will get. The same.
Speaker 1: Probably, I think there's gonna be counsel people that pay
Speaker 1: the price. And again Chris simath them and wants your
Speaker 1: vote tomorrow, always saying a mouthful. But you know you
Speaker 1: need somebody in there, quite honestly to interpret that to
Speaker 1: enforce Yeah, you got you have no choice at this point.
Speaker 1: All the best I gotta get going. Good luck tomorrow, Chris,
Speaker 1: All the best, to you, all right, take care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, So vote your conscience. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you want more of the same, keep doing more
Speaker 1: the same. We got to get to news. We've got
Speaker 1: other bad news for you. How about the Bengals. Rappeaan
Speaker 1: is here a little bit earlier this morning to talk
Speaker 1: about the historic loss and the question who is going
Speaker 1: to have their head placed on a stick this morning?
Speaker 1: Someone has to be sacrificed on the altar of professional sports. Well,
Speaker 1: the Bengals, pull the trigger and fire someone, make someone accountable.
Speaker 1: We'll talked to him next about it on the Scott's
Speaker 1: Loan Show seven hundred Wow. Dark days indeed in our city.
Speaker 1: At Scott's Sloan Show seven hundred Wow. Wish we had
Speaker 1: better news to start this gloomy time change Monday for you.
Speaker 1: But you know, we had seven people shot in two
Speaker 1: different occurrences yesterday one at OTR. Lots to talk about
Speaker 1: that with Chris Smitheman and council member Seth Walsh coming
Speaker 1: up on the show this morning. Of course, the other
Speaker 1: news happening is our Cincinnati Bengals, which is a lot
Speaker 1: lighter than bloodshed, violence and murder, but still it's pretty
Speaker 1: bloody in a different way on the field. Yesterday is
Speaker 1: the Bears beat the Bengals forty seven forty two as
Speaker 1: the Bengals head the limping to the bye of three
Speaker 1: and six now and you can almost kiss those playoff
Speaker 1: chances goodbye. Cincinnati's worst rank defense did it again. You
Speaker 1: didn't think they could do it back to back weeks.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that it's pretty damn impressive to
Speaker 1: watch them fail. They come up with new ways to fail.
Speaker 1: As you know, Cincinnati is in the cellar now and
Speaker 1: look it up and it's not good. James Rapeene here
Speaker 1: with SI Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Podcast. James,
Speaker 1: how do you top the worst loss of the Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor era with an even more historic loss yesterday? I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I h you're right.
Speaker 6: I agree, Scott, And honestly I thought after what happened
Speaker 6: last week that when they were rallying, I literally thought, oh, well,
Speaker 6: this is the football guys paying them back, saying you
Speaker 6: know what, you guys should have won last week, you didn't.
Speaker 6: We're gonna make sure you win this week. You get
Speaker 6: an on side kick after scoring his knees down on
Speaker 6: the interception that would have put them up three scores.
Speaker 6: Like all these things happened in the final few minutes
Speaker 6: of this game.
Speaker 4: It gives the Bengals a chance, and.
Speaker 6: They take advantage of it and they take the lead.
Speaker 6: It's just there happened to be forty nine seconds left,
Speaker 6: and we know that that's far too much time for
Speaker 6: this Bengals defense that I really I'm not sure that
Speaker 6: you could tackle anyone listening right, Yeah, Yeah, it's embarrassing
Speaker 6: how bad it was.
Speaker 1: I have never seen like, literally, you screwed up a
Speaker 1: story book and it's not in the script, and it's
Speaker 1: no Hollywood script, which are that you you score a touchdown, uh,
Speaker 1: you get the you recover the ball kicking on side,
Speaker 1: you recover, you go ahead, and the final two minutes
Speaker 1: of the game, and right there, that should be it.
Speaker 1: That's that's how it always ends. If you recover and score,
Speaker 1: it's over.
Speaker 5: You win.
Speaker 1: There's no way you lose that game. You screwed up
Speaker 1: the fairy tale ending, and yet the Bengals did that
Speaker 1: by a long Kala Williams to hit Colston Lovelin on
Speaker 1: the fifty year fifty air touchdown with two guys at
Speaker 1: least two guys missing tackles.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just tackle tackle. The funny thing is is my
Speaker 6: podcast after the game, I was talking about different things,
Speaker 6: and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, you know what's funny.
Speaker 6: No one's talking about them actually giving up a twenty
Speaker 6: three yards to the rookie tight end. It's that they
Speaker 6: didn't bring him down after they gave up the play.
Speaker 6: Like the bar is so low. We're not even talking
Speaker 6: about the fact that you gave up the pass that
Speaker 6: put them in field goal range. It's just all right,
Speaker 6: if you're going to give that up, can you bring
Speaker 6: him down? And I truly don't understand. And since the game,
Speaker 6: I've reached out to some coaches in different personnel just
Speaker 6: to see, like, all right, hey, coaching, why it's supposed
Speaker 6: to do here? What are you supposed to do with this?
Speaker 6: And I know the Bengals do work tackle and at
Speaker 6: some point the players just have to tackle, you know.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like a receiver has to catch the ball,
Speaker 6: like you can do so much. And I think that's
Speaker 6: kind of where things are now. I'm stunned that that
Speaker 6: they continue to have this issue at the level that
Speaker 6: they're having this issue I get it once in a
Speaker 6: while really good players, but game on the line, chance
Speaker 6: for a storybook ending that should have been close to
Speaker 6: level and getting hit by five guys and people ripping
Speaker 6: at the ball and him going down the moment he
Speaker 6: catches it.
Speaker 1: That Like I said, we joked last week about them
Speaker 1: throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey,
Speaker 1: not football. As they came into game, the Bengals did
Speaker 1: ninety four misstackles six hundred and forty five yards total
Speaker 1: in the league, which is by farther wors than league yesterday,
Speaker 1: missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three, So they're
Speaker 1: at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards and allow
Speaker 1: and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact. It
Speaker 1: hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked about you,
Speaker 1: that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that by this
Speaker 1: level you should be able to tackle, and you're not
Speaker 1: doing it in my opinion. So the million dollar question
Speaker 1: is in the other thirty one franchises out there, this
Speaker 1: would be terminal for a head coach or at least someone.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm having James repeat on a little early
Speaker 1: this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we've head
Speaker 1: in a lunchtime are it feels like it's hit critical
Speaker 1: mass at this point two back to back historically losses, you've.
Speaker 5: Got the buy.
Speaker 1: I imagine I'll lose in the off week somehow, I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure. When Zach Taylor is running out of words,
Speaker 1: he says, it's sick to lose like that. I feel
Speaker 1: sick right now. That means you have no answers, heads
Speaker 1: have to roll. You were in the locker room afterwards
Speaker 1: after the loss. How does that compare to last week's collapse?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point.
Speaker 6: Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively,
Speaker 6: we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we
Speaker 6: put up our videos and our audio on Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 6: talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 4: Of offensive guys.
Speaker 6: And look, you're right, I mean, it's it does feel
Speaker 6: that way that that a move is possible. You're also
Speaker 6: right that it's an issue, but there's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Someone has to lose their job here. I mean there's
Speaker 1: no room for debate. Is that when you have guys
Speaker 1: this is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys who were in on that player in the defense
Speaker 1: were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak
Speaker 1: after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday,
Speaker 1: there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t
Speaker 1: and Chase and and you know they're frustrated, they're angry,
Speaker 1: they're they're bad mouthing the defense.
Speaker 5: Now it's on. Rabbit's got to be on the reason.
Speaker 1: I asked you about the locker room, and it feels
Speaker 1: like from the reports it's been unraveling for a while.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you
Speaker 6: have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar,
Speaker 6: Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yards yesterday.
Speaker 6: I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And
Speaker 6: you look up and he's got got under guard. The
Speaker 6: Jings obviously made a bunch of plays and we talked
Speaker 6: to Jamar after and he's saying like three and four
Speaker 6: words and it's like we're torturing him, and I don't
Speaker 6: want to torture Jamar after the game. That's not my goal.
Speaker 6: But guess what, he's a leader and people care what
Speaker 6: he says. People want to know what he's says. And
Speaker 6: you know what he thinks. He thinks that the defense
Speaker 6: sucks and that they need to do their job a
Speaker 6: little bit. And he hasn't said that, but I know
Speaker 6: that's what he's thinking, and he was. He was caught
Speaker 6: on camera when he was walking in the locker room saying,
Speaker 6: just one bleeping stop, right, and that's what everybody's thinking.
Speaker 6: Chase Brown said, We'll just finish the game. And it
Speaker 6: is that simple like and sometimes those things are a
Speaker 6: simple thing can be hard to carry out and execute
Speaker 6: and much more easier said than done. But they have
Speaker 6: to find a way in those situations to get that
Speaker 6: turnover and.
Speaker 4: Get that stock.
Speaker 6: I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb
Speaker 6: Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next
Speaker 6: play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards.
Speaker 4: So it's this locker room.
Speaker 6: It felt like it was starting to bend before the
Speaker 6: Joe Blackum trade.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because things.
Speaker 6: Are just spial spiraling out of control almost in the
Speaker 6: other way, where the offense was just so non functional,
Speaker 6: they trade for Joe Flacco and it's completely flipped the
Speaker 6: other way, where the defense has showed us who they are,
Speaker 6: the offense has figured it out and who the defense
Speaker 6: is very well could be the worst defense in NFL history.
Speaker 6: That is not me being not me exaggerating. When you
Speaker 6: look at the numbers, they're they're very much in that conversation.
Speaker 1: James Rapine from SI Bengals talk dot com, lockdown begels
Speaker 1: and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable
Speaker 1: in any other NFL city, and that is what is
Speaker 1: going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players
Speaker 1: for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing
Speaker 1: guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know
Speaker 1: how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively,
Speaker 1: because you've got two guys, two minds working on that.
Speaker 1: If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't
Speaker 1: play your position. That feels more like a front office
Speaker 1: issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's
Speaker 1: never accountable. I don't think the average person myself included,
Speaker 1: could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show
Speaker 1: you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zack Talor
Speaker 1: has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not
Speaker 1: fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite
Speaker 1: honestly for the fan base.
Speaker 4: Totally agree, Totally agree.
Speaker 6: But believe me, I would love love to hear from
Speaker 6: Duke always and uh that that is not something that
Speaker 6: we would ever turn down as media. I promise you, no, no,
Speaker 6: I promise you we would love to hear from Duke today.
Speaker 1: GM are accountable, they show up, they answer questions, they
Speaker 1: do things public compair. This guy, uh, you know, talk
Speaker 1: about the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like
Speaker 1: it feels like he's protected like a mafia don or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 5: He's surrounded by goons.
Speaker 6: Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle, you
Speaker 6: give him.
Speaker 4: You get those guys on the field.
Speaker 5: That's what It's horrific. It is horrific down there.
Speaker 1: And I you know the other part of the frustration
Speaker 1: is Bengal season ticket windows open it up and you know,
Speaker 1: we've got news neck here.
Speaker 5: The ticket prices are going up. I know a lot
Speaker 5: of people.
Speaker 1: And if you look at social I don't know how
Speaker 1: accurate that is or not, could be Russian bots. But
Speaker 1: if you look at the investment you're asked to make
Speaker 1: and spend more money on a team this bad?
Speaker 5: How's that?
Speaker 1: And that is really the only thing that's going to
Speaker 1: cause heads to roll, right is typically the family looks
Speaker 1: at the bottom line, and if people are unhappy and
Speaker 1: there's a revolt, as we saw with Marvin Lewis, it
Speaker 1: might cause Zach Taylor's job, but it probably shouldn't be him.
Speaker 5: It should be Duke Tobin.
Speaker 6: I I agree with you on the surface, right I
Speaker 6: you know I'm not, But there's so much context that
Speaker 6: goes into our should this guyby fire? Should this guy
Speaker 6: or that? Or what should you do? How should you
Speaker 6: pick that? Here's what I would say. They failed at
Speaker 6: building this defense top So who had a hand in what?
Speaker 6: Who was the one stopping on the table for who
Speaker 6: during the draft when they made draft picks that I
Speaker 6: got to be honest when you look at who they
Speaker 6: could have had in like consensus and rankings and just
Speaker 6: like the general draft stuff and I love the draft,
Speaker 6: they went down a path that was as risky.
Speaker 4: As any that you could have, and they went.
Speaker 6: Down a path with guys that probably weren't considered plug
Speaker 6: and play type players really throughout the draft, even if
Speaker 6: they are good dudes and work hard and all of
Speaker 6: those things and so very very much risk. They're taking
Speaker 6: a lot of risk with that. And when you combine
Speaker 6: that with a poor free agency, all right, well, why
Speaker 6: were they for free agent? Is it Duke's faulted that
Speaker 6: the ownership's faulted it the coach is saying they didn't
Speaker 6: like the free agent. I don't know, And so that's
Speaker 6: why I'm not just saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying
Speaker 6: to pat for him.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get content.
Speaker 6: I don't know who made these decisions, but whoever did
Speaker 6: and who ever said no when I'm sure someone in
Speaker 6: the building was like me and like, hey, can you
Speaker 6: add talent? Can you go get this guy or that
Speaker 6: guy or this guy or that whoever that is certainly
Speaker 6: deserves to be hardnoticed because that's why they're in this position.
Speaker 6: I mean, they should be Scott five and four, winners
Speaker 6: of three straight, three and one with Joe Flacco, second
Speaker 6: place in the AFC, work with a real chance to
Speaker 6: battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place in
Speaker 6: the division. That's where they should be and they're not there.
Speaker 6: And so they really need to look hard in the
Speaker 6: mirror and figure out why they failed for multiple years
Speaker 6: building the defense.
Speaker 4: But certainly this offseason going into this year, if.
Speaker 1: You're asking people to buy the product and that is
Speaker 1: on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two, that's
Speaker 1: all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we saw the ACTIVI the offense is doing fine,
Speaker 1: it's the defense. It's sprint a problem. You're in your
Speaker 1: second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At what point
Speaker 1: is it fair to question those people who are bringing
Speaker 1: the talent to Cincinnati, And that would be Tooke Tobin
Speaker 1: and people in that front office. If you're asking people
Speaker 1: to support this team and continue to turn out to
Speaker 1: support the Bengals, is it not fair that there's some
Speaker 1: accountability and some questions answered on the part of the
Speaker 1: people who have been silent for years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not a big it's not a big ask.
Speaker 6: Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft. Like
Speaker 6: I said, I think I follow the draft and try
Speaker 6: to fuck it and cover the draft in a way
Speaker 6: that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati and that covers
Speaker 6: the Bengals, and do it as extensively as I can.
Speaker 6: And they have been so bad at drafting compared to
Speaker 6: what they could have had.
Speaker 4: And a lot of it isn't kindsight.
Speaker 6: Like I've said, fans are smarter than ever. Media members
Speaker 6: can be smarter than ever when it comes to the
Speaker 6: draft because there's so much info and there is so
Speaker 6: much info you can get, and so by draft Day,
Speaker 6: I feel like I know the first three rounds like
Speaker 6: the back of my hand. And for them to end
Speaker 6: up with what they had and they ended up with
Speaker 6: versus what they could have had just this year, I
Speaker 6: mean this is a multi year problem, but just this year,
Speaker 6: I mean they've invested so many picks. Three of their
Speaker 6: first of their last four first rounders, Scott have been
Speaker 6: defensive players, two pass ushers, a safety, and now corner like.
Speaker 6: They've invested two second round picks in corners. They invested
Speaker 6: two picks this year in mine back like they've invested
Speaker 6: in the defense, and they're either poor picks they can't
Speaker 6: develop them, or a mixture of both. And firing lou
Speaker 6: clearly didn't.
Speaker 1: Worse arguably, I mean it's, uh, you know, a loss
Speaker 1: is still a loss. And I look at this, I
Speaker 1: think many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands
Speaker 1: up in apathy, going, we're this close to the super
Speaker 1: bowling a couple of years ago and now this something's
Speaker 1: got to change. And quite obviously, going to the bye week,
Speaker 1: I think the silence down there by not doing it,
Speaker 1: doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I mean,
Speaker 1: the players go their separate ways for the bye week
Speaker 1: for a little while. Anyway, doesn't that just bring more
Speaker 1: animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it worse
Speaker 1: because you're going to steal on that during the time
Speaker 1: off you had.
Speaker 6: Sure, Well, you know, if you're an offensive player, you're
Speaker 6: going to see your family during the bye You're probably
Speaker 6: going to go home or your hometown and guess what
Speaker 6: your your buddy, that the hole in the wall bar man,
Speaker 6: that defense, Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 4: In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh
Speaker 4: that's a tough one. Huh.
Speaker 5: You know, it's gonna be therapeutic.
Speaker 1: You're going to come back and be pissed more pissed off,
Speaker 1: probably because you're in your own head about it real quick, James.
Speaker 1: The odds that something happens today, never say never, But
Speaker 1: are we going to see something? There's got to be
Speaker 1: some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease
Speaker 1: the fan baser.
Speaker 6: The thing is is they don't react that way.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 6: A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion,
Speaker 6: and usually I think that they they get it wrong.
Speaker 6: I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al
Speaker 6: Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go
Speaker 6: out there and make Jordan.
Speaker 4: Battle right right, all right?
Speaker 6: For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen.
Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I don't.
Speaker 6: I still don't know what that does it other than
Speaker 6: make a move to make a move. But one that's
Speaker 6: interesting is to do and if they look at it
Speaker 6: and they say, man, we really don't have the talent.
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think
Speaker 6: that would happen at the end of the year. I
Speaker 6: think any of these moves would happen at the end
Speaker 6: of the year, Sara En. I want to dismiss any
Speaker 6: of them, but I'm not. Anything's going to happen today,
Speaker 6: which means that it'll happen probably five minutes after I
Speaker 6: get all right.
Speaker 5: James, all the best, buddy, I know we got to
Speaker 5: get going around a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 1: Well if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen
Speaker 1: with Bengals Talks, Bengals Talk dot Com of course locked
Speaker 1: on Bengals the Daily Podcast.
Speaker 5: All the best.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks God.
Speaker 1: Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
Speaker 1: Home of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred w W Cincinnata.
Speaker 3: Do you want to be in American?
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Speaker 1: Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWD. Could we have
Speaker 1: any more like awful news going on this Monday morning?
Speaker 1: Not how we want to wake up when we we
Speaker 1: did get an hour's sleep, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know winter is here and it's going to be
Speaker 1: depressing and dark, and of course you had the Bengals.
Speaker 1: That kind of peals in comparison to the serious nature
Speaker 1: of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday,
Speaker 1: literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun
Speaker 1: violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on
Speaker 1: Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween.
Speaker 1: They're dressed up there and costume. You have college kids,
Speaker 1: young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time.
Speaker 1: The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And
Speaker 1: I just got this video and I shared it via
Speaker 1: my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex at
Speaker 1: Scott Sloane, and it comes from a reliable source, an
Speaker 1: individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday
Speaker 1: morning and I'll describe it for you if you want
Speaker 1: to see it for yourself. It's just too unreal to
Speaker 1: believe in the city that hours after an investigation into
Speaker 1: the shots fired, we have the image laying in the
Speaker 1: grass literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub.
Speaker 1: In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's
Speaker 1: got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals
Speaker 1: like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that
Speaker 1: they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun
Speaker 1: lying there. Now, could the gun have been thrown there
Speaker 1: after the shooting? It possibly, but it makes one question
Speaker 1: maybe how thin the resources are and what the priorities are.
Speaker 1: And you've got so many people running around trying to
Speaker 1: police and do what they're doing, and with limited, by
Speaker 1: the way limited resources, one could ask did that thing
Speaker 1: get missed during the shooting investigation?
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: It's chilling to see. And also, you know, you could
Speaker 1: see the kind of crowd that you know, mingles out there.
Speaker 1: It's not good. Listen, I'm off far but having a
Speaker 1: good time and I don't care. But you know, when
Speaker 1: you have to have armed security guards, when you have
Speaker 1: to have people with metal detectors making sure that you
Speaker 1: don't get in there with guns and weapons, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: And why is that allowed? Why is that permitted? As
Speaker 1: I understand it that this is a problem with this club,
Speaker 1: it's been going on for months now and it yet
Speaker 1: to be addressed. And now we've got a gun literally
Speaker 1: lying in front of the club, or a shooting happened
Speaker 1: just hours ago. This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Joined the show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor
Speaker 1: Smith with the National Police Association, because I want to
Speaker 1: get some perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati
Speaker 1: is compared to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy,
Speaker 1: welcome back, are you hey?
Speaker 3: It's great to be with you.
Speaker 7: And and I'm so glad you're talking about this because
Speaker 7: so many big blue cities around the country are dealing
Speaker 7: with this exact same issue violent crime, you know, gun
Speaker 7: crime in an area where there are all these gun laws.
Speaker 3: That are supposed to take care of this.
Speaker 7: So yeah, Cincinnati is is unfortunately right.
Speaker 1: Up there are we a outlier compared to comparable cities.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel we live here. We don't get
Speaker 1: to see you think it's awful right now because I
Speaker 1: had you on after the beatdown, the July brawl, We've
Speaker 1: had the police chief fired, we have shootings on Fountain
Speaker 1: Square is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the
Speaker 1: Genius of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're
Speaker 1: to drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is,
Speaker 1: that the tip of that pin would be right through
Speaker 1: the heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the
Speaker 1: town center basically, and people are out there having a
Speaker 1: good time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football
Speaker 1: when the Steelers are in town, we had an individual
Speaker 1: shot steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting.
Speaker 1: Seven people shot, including what I just described in front
Speaker 1: of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning
Speaker 1: after in the grass. When you look at other cities,
Speaker 1: I mean, how comparable are we because it feels like
Speaker 1: there's no way it could be worse than other cities.
Speaker 7: Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois,
Speaker 7: New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do
Speaker 7: have less violent crime than the cities like that. But
Speaker 7: the problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these
Speaker 7: other cities, is you've had this almost decade long emphasis
Speaker 7: on things like restorative justice and racial justice.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 7: And then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we
Speaker 7: had the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified,
Speaker 7: prosecutors were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals
Speaker 7: than crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race,
Speaker 7: and we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims.
Speaker 7: So in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with
Speaker 7: other big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati
Speaker 7: is such a beautiful city.
Speaker 1: It feels like at this point it's starting to get
Speaker 1: away from this. You know, during the summer months, we
Speaker 1: see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out
Speaker 1: gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent acts.
Speaker 1: Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little
Speaker 1: bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October
Speaker 1: and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween
Speaker 1: and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we
Speaker 1: as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at
Speaker 1: least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be two months to find out
Speaker 1: why the city fired her in the first place. That
Speaker 1: can't be helpening elsewhere where you fire essentially fire the
Speaker 1: police chief and then look for reasons as to why
Speaker 1: you fired her. It's going to take two months and
Speaker 1: spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax paramney.
Speaker 7: No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again,
Speaker 7: why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't
Speaker 7: the best when it came to you guys, making international news.
Speaker 7: But you know, she came up from inside. She seems
Speaker 7: to know what she's doing, and it seems to be
Speaker 7: a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to
Speaker 7: wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime,
Speaker 7: you have people that are being victimized, and how do
Speaker 7: you stop that, how do you stop.
Speaker 3: This gun crime? You put people in prison.
Speaker 7: Punishment works, And that's the problem that you have in Cincinnati,
Speaker 7: like in so many other big blue cities, is we've
Speaker 7: stopped punishing criminals. We worry way more about their feelings
Speaker 7: than we do about the feelings of the crime victims,
Speaker 7: and we stopped really paying attention to law. Restorative justice
Speaker 7: is which means we worry more about the criminal than
Speaker 7: the crime victim. Restorative justice is one of the worst
Speaker 7: things to happen to this nation and also to happen
Speaker 7: to Cincinnati. And you can look around Ohio and you
Speaker 7: can see how other cities deal with crime, how other
Speaker 7: counties deal with crime, and very often they do a
Speaker 7: better job.
Speaker 3: But Cincinnati, unlike some other.
Speaker 7: Larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's what people need
Speaker 7: to focus on.
Speaker 1: You know, what we see in the crime. The final
Speaker 1: crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like
Speaker 1: areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof,
Speaker 1: that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat and
Speaker 1: common in other cities? And what about that divergence that
Speaker 1: indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have.
Speaker 7: When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you
Speaker 7: look at, crime is down. But the problem with that
Speaker 7: is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in
Speaker 7: this country go unreported because people have given up. And
Speaker 7: when you have a police department that's short staff like
Speaker 7: Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is
Speaker 7: beleieaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report
Speaker 7: every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to
Speaker 7: hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes
Speaker 7: that often go unreported. So I would guess your property
Speaker 7: crime problem is off the hook.
Speaker 3: You also have a.
Speaker 7: Juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly
Speaker 7: dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we
Speaker 7: have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they
Speaker 7: also need to be punished.
Speaker 1: Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the
Speaker 1: show on seven hundred W But kind of like a
Speaker 1: national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven
Speaker 1: people shot over the weekend and the steady drumbeat of violence.
Speaker 1: It feels like we had the leak of the police
Speaker 1: video on Friday, and that would substantiate the fact that
Speaker 1: the alert Schabnowski hit that the white guy, he was
Speaker 1: the victim in this whole thing, was attacked from behind,
Speaker 1: and that was not shared because it didn't lead the
Speaker 1: narrative about how race crimes actually work. It was a
Speaker 1: black guy punching him in the back of the head.
Speaker 1: He turns around starts slapping people. But that's what we
Speaker 1: saw and that's as sickening as anything else because of
Speaker 1: all this violence. We don't need to add racial animosity
Speaker 1: this whole thing, but that was of course ginned up
Speaker 1: by a lot of the people who are not only
Speaker 1: seeking your vote but seeking power in the city. Is
Speaker 1: that racism is a one way street. It's always white
Speaker 1: on block, not the other way around. And we could
Speaker 1: admit that regardless of who you are, what you look like,
Speaker 1: what you stand for, that we have racists among us,
Speaker 1: and except to the good people to stand up, then
Speaker 1: you could actually solve problems. But that's not happening right
Speaker 1: now in our city. And I look at the gun
Speaker 1: laying outside the club. That's not a good look for CPD.
Speaker 1: I just posted this on my Facebook and x feeds
Speaker 1: Betsy Brandner Smith that someone shared with me. They were
Speaker 1: out the next morning after the shooting at the club
Speaker 1: and OTR and literally across the street from the club
Speaker 1: there was a handgun looks like a nine millimeter handgun
Speaker 1: laying on the grass right in front of the club.
Speaker 1: People are going to look at the police and go,
Speaker 1: how the hell could you miss a gun unless the
Speaker 1: gun was thrown there after the crime, after the police
Speaker 1: had left, But that's probably unlikely.
Speaker 7: Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know.
Speaker 7: I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and
Speaker 7: I assume.
Speaker 3: That, well, we'll know.
Speaker 7: But you're right, it's not a good look. But you know,
Speaker 7: the Cincinnati Police Department.
Speaker 3: Used to be one of the.
Speaker 7: Best in the country, and they have so many good
Speaker 7: people and good leaders. The problem is is, again they
Speaker 7: have been themselves beaten down by political leadership. And this
Speaker 7: is why elections are so very.
Speaker 3: Important when you go to the you know, people, when
Speaker 3: you go to.
Speaker 7: The polls tomorrow, we don't tell you how to vote,
Speaker 7: but I want you to think about how you're living
Speaker 7: in the city of Cincinnati, and this is the same thing,
Speaker 7: and we're seeing all around the country. New York's a
Speaker 7: great example. You know, who is going to give you
Speaker 7: a safer life in your city because a lot of
Speaker 7: people are moving, but people who can't afford to move
Speaker 7: are stuck and they're the ones who become the victims.
Speaker 7: And we hear so much about.
Speaker 3: Oh people, you know, poor people.
Speaker 7: Are you know, they commit crimes because of this.
Speaker 3: And that most people are not criminals.
Speaker 7: Cops know this, the media knows this, even if they
Speaker 7: don't want to talk about it. Most people are just
Speaker 7: trying to live their lives. We have got to root
Speaker 7: out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them, and then everybody
Speaker 7: needs to be able to live their lives in a nice, open.
Speaker 3: Society like we were able to do forty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: To make this a racial element of the race, the
Speaker 1: biggest victims of these crimes by these individuals are Black
Speaker 1: women in particular, black community suffer the most. When you
Speaker 1: talk about these gun crimes and the like. Not not
Speaker 1: always because we have shootings. Believe me, speaking for white America,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not like we have all the problems
Speaker 1: solved either. We got plenty of problems for sure, But
Speaker 1: the violence issue affects us all regardless of where it hat.
Speaker 5: Don't care where it happens. I just care that it
Speaker 5: is happening.
Speaker 1: And when a gun is laying on in the street
Speaker 1: basically of Cincinnati hours after shooting, it's a bad look
Speaker 1: again for our community.
Speaker 5: Into the missteps continue to go.
Speaker 1: And not only that, a lot of the complaints are
Speaker 1: unanswered by this administration, be the city manager and the mayor.
Speaker 1: Is if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away,
Speaker 1: and all we hear is out how tough on crime
Speaker 1: were going to be? Well, all the while judges are
Speaker 1: letting people out who should be locked up. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association.
Speaker 1: I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over
Speaker 1: the weekend have had something in their jacket that would
Speaker 1: prohibit them from having the firearm. You can almost bet
Speaker 1: the house on it. It happened in just about every
Speaker 1: case we've had so far, why would this be different.
Speaker 7: Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority
Speaker 7: of them have probably had lots of police contact before,
Speaker 7: lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem
Speaker 7: that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished
Speaker 7: because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We
Speaker 7: can't punish people. We just need to understand them and
Speaker 7: hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long
Speaker 7: enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again,
Speaker 7: most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever.
Speaker 7: We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and
Speaker 7: go back to a sane society. And that's why it's
Speaker 7: so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety,
Speaker 7: not for some political party or not because you don't
Speaker 7: like the guy in the White House. Think about your
Speaker 7: own life and is your political leadership doing right by
Speaker 7: you a citizen of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I would say, in Cincinnati, know that that too much
Speaker 1: of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best
Speaker 1: person for the job, open it up and let the
Speaker 1: market decide. I'm a free market kind of guy. But
Speaker 1: the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three
Speaker 1: years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest
Speaker 1: concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about
Speaker 1: improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and
Speaker 1: all those things. And the end result is when you
Speaker 1: ignore the police department and don't feed it and care
Speaker 1: and nurture for it, things like this happen because there's
Speaker 1: a criminal element out there and not again, I think
Speaker 1: you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you just
Speaker 1: encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people simply
Speaker 1: we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing there,
Speaker 1: and they still wind up shooting.
Speaker 5: They don't care.
Speaker 1: About their lives or us around, just their immediate needs.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance,
Speaker 1: and they're going to get a job and just promise
Speaker 1: never to do it again. These same people go out
Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what
Speaker 1: happened in front of the in between after the Thursday
Speaker 1: night Bengals Gate guy had an ankle monitor on when
Speaker 1: he fired shots.
Speaker 5: It's unprecedented, Well, it absolutely is.
Speaker 7: And this is why your police officers, before they engage
Speaker 7: in situations like that, and the criminals know this.
Speaker 3: Your police officers have to.
Speaker 7: Think not only about their own lives and the lives
Speaker 7: of people around them, but they have to think, am
Speaker 7: I going to be bilified?
Speaker 3: Am I going to be demonized?
Speaker 7: Am I going to be prosecuted simply for doing my job?
Speaker 7: Even when usuforce is justified And you're so right about
Speaker 7: the chief. So much was made, you know, when she
Speaker 7: was promoted to chief and all that, and there was
Speaker 7: so much talk about diversity and inclusion and this that. Well,
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're
Speaker 7: not so inclusive, and she's on paid leave until we
Speaker 7: figure out a way to demonize her for our own
Speaker 7: political and administrative mistake.
Speaker 1: She is a Betsy Brandner Smith National Police Association, So
Speaker 1: we're not an outlier.
Speaker 5: We're not different than anybody else.
Speaker 1: If this is happening out of the city's got help
Speaker 1: us but there is an election tomorrow.
Speaker 5: We'll see.
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would
Speaker 1: be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome
Speaker 1: because I would think that the voters are going to
Speaker 1: make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to
Speaker 1: be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy,
Speaker 1: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 7: Cincinnati is a beautiful city.
Speaker 3: I know it well. It's worth saving everybody.
Speaker 8: Savior city, take care.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: We've got to get a news update in. We've got
Speaker 1: lots going on, and you know, more sad news of
Speaker 1: the weekend. A long time member of seven hunderd W
Speaker 1: that would actually one of the cornerstones of the Granddaddy's
Speaker 1: sports talk Bob Trump be passing away at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with Trump many
Speaker 1: times working then at Mount Adams when i'd come in.
Speaker 1: I was doing the nine at midnight show years and
Speaker 1: years and years ago when I first started here, and
Speaker 1: I'd see him on Thursday nights when doing some Bengals talk,
Speaker 1: and I'd walk in the studio and have great conversations
Speaker 1: with Bob Trumpy about football and a bunch of other things.
Speaker 1: Just a great guy and sad to hear that iron
Speaker 1: Bob Trump. He passed away. Of course he went on
Speaker 1: to after Sports Talk. He wanted to do stuff like
Speaker 1: NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy
Speaker 1: passing away at the age of eighty and remembering here
Speaker 1: on the place he got his started. Media is right
Speaker 1: here on the home of the best Bengals coverage seven
Speaker 1: hundred ww Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
Speaker 3: to help us get our heads right. This is Mental
Speaker 3: Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wish we had better news on this day.
Speaker 5: We had shootings.
Speaker 1: We have of course, what happened on the field with
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom
Speaker 1: out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but
Speaker 1: the dividends will be paid for the coming days and
Speaker 1: weeks or some people when it comes to the fact,
Speaker 1: the sad fact that like Johnny Cash in fulsome prison,
Speaker 1: we're not going to see the sun since I don't
Speaker 1: know when joining the show is Julie H from be
Speaker 1: Connected out Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie, there standby. We
Speaker 1: got issues here, Julia there, there we go. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Even the phones don't want to
Speaker 1: work today, even the phones are depressed.
Speaker 9: I was talking, I could hear you. Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's not on you, that's on that's
Speaker 1: on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules
Speaker 1: are screwed up.
Speaker 5: I don't know, screwed up.
Speaker 1: We got all this damn bad news, and then on
Speaker 1: top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now,
Speaker 1: it was nice to wake up this morning, but you
Speaker 1: know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to see the sun in a while here,
Speaker 1: pretty soon.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's really hard on people. It is really
Speaker 9: hard on people. Some people take it better than others,
Speaker 9: and for some people the fall time change is easier
Speaker 9: than the springtime change. But regardless, we know that what
Speaker 9: happens in our bodies and in our brains it impacts us.
Speaker 9: Whether we cope better with it than other people do
Speaker 9: or not, it's a big deal, and it happens towards
Speaker 9: the year, so we've got to get used to it.
Speaker 4: But I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right,
Speaker 1: does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I
Speaker 1: know that the long days are coming because we do
Speaker 1: this in the spring and we lose in our sleep.
Speaker 1: We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now,
Speaker 1: But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's
Speaker 1: some relief. This means that it feels like you're going
Speaker 1: to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people it's true.
Speaker 9: Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but
Speaker 9: for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for
Speaker 9: most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall
Speaker 9: is the precursor to that beginning of their really hardest time.
Speaker 9: There are people who really really struggle in the dark
Speaker 9: and the cold of winter.
Speaker 4: And now we.
Speaker 9: Know it's coming, And you're right, there's less daylight in
Speaker 9: our lives, particularly for those people who work a normal
Speaker 9: eight to five, nine to five job. You're inside at
Speaker 9: work during the daylight hours, you leave in the dark,
Speaker 9: you come home in the dark, and it's really difficult.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the actual measured health impact is there,
Speaker 1: shevel right, there are.
Speaker 9: There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it
Speaker 9: has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks
Speaker 9: and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a
Speaker 9: twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty
Speaker 9: four percent increase in heart attacks on the Monday following
Speaker 9: the switch.
Speaker 4: That's huge, that's big.
Speaker 1: That's really really big heart attacks because of the time change.
Speaker 5: Now I thought, well, I got an extra hour sleep,
Speaker 5: I should be good. But that's not true.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, there's what we perceive is happening. There's
Speaker 9: what actually is happening in our bodies. So our bodies
Speaker 9: run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock is
Speaker 9: timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light in
Speaker 9: the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock,
Speaker 9: it has negative impacts. So we see this on shift workers.
Speaker 9: We see this in people who travel regularly for work
Speaker 9: across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those
Speaker 9: people in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential
Speaker 9: that they have to shift.
Speaker 8: They shift their phases of sleep and wake.
Speaker 9: Also, though done over time, they can come to adapt
Speaker 9: to that. But for the rest of us who only
Speaker 9: shift it basically twice a year or infrequently, it can
Speaker 9: have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 9: I can't explain this to you in greater detail than that,
Speaker 9: but I can tell you that there is documented evidence
Speaker 9: that strokes go up maybe eight percent in the first
Speaker 9: couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go up significantly
Speaker 9: in the first couple of days after a time shift.
Speaker 5: Okay, so how do you prevent that?
Speaker 1: If your heart's palpitating, you're beating real fast right now,
Speaker 1: and you're sweating, and your arms are going numb, we'll
Speaker 1: call nine one one. But before you get to that,
Speaker 1: what do you have to do?
Speaker 7: Well, one of the.
Speaker 9: Things that we're starting to understand is helpful is to
Speaker 9: prepare ourselves for that. So I don't know if you,
Speaker 9: before you went to Australia did what some people who
Speaker 9: travel long distances across multiple time zones do. If they
Speaker 9: start preparing their body for the time they're going to
Speaker 9: be in by going to bed later, or going to
Speaker 9: bed earlier, by getting up later or getting up earlier,
Speaker 9: start shifting a few days beforehand into their new time zone.
Speaker 5: No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never
Speaker 5: do that. I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: How you.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 9: One of the things that we recommend is if you
Speaker 9: are someone who you've who knows that this time change
Speaker 9: really impacts you, and it really impacts me, not with
Speaker 9: a heart attack, but just generally, I don't feel as
Speaker 9: well for the week afterwards. I try to start shifting
Speaker 9: my sleep cycle and my weight cycle to be more
Speaker 9: like the time that I'm going to be in versus
Speaker 9: the time that I'm currently living in. Then ins of
Speaker 9: abrupt shift, so gradually changing because we know that this
Speaker 9: is coming and we can predict it, can be really helpful.
Speaker 5: Well if you can.
Speaker 1: But most people, you know, you still have to work
Speaker 1: and then you go, Okay, Then I got to pack
Speaker 1: and I got to make sure everything's in.
Speaker 5: I'm all excited about traveling.
Speaker 1: You know, as you're talking about that, I know some
Speaker 1: people and there's people listening who are in the business
Speaker 1: of traveling a lot. And you're going to different countries
Speaker 1: different times. You know, P and G notorious for that.
Speaker 5: Does that shape yours off your life?
Speaker 9: I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty
Speaker 9: significant medical impacts.
Speaker 5: Yes, I know third work and third shift does.
Speaker 9: Oh yes, absolutely it does, and shifting time zones like that.
Speaker 9: Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our
Speaker 9: modern technology allows it, but our bodies are.
Speaker 8: Not actually physically designed to do that.
Speaker 9: So it creates stress in our body, It creates differences
Speaker 9: in cortisol levels, it creates differences in our serotonin levels,
Speaker 9: which is one of the neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation.
Speaker 9: And so these differences over long periods of time can
Speaker 9: have negative consequences. And I believe that there now studies
Speaker 9: about protocols for how to help people who have shift work.
Speaker 8: Or who travel across multiple time.
Speaker 9: Zones regularly, to help them manage that better. But it's
Speaker 9: something that needs to be carefully managed because our bodies
Speaker 9: don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally and has
Speaker 9: jet lag knows that it can take you twenty four
Speaker 9: to thirty six hours to sort of get back in
Speaker 9: the groove again, and then when you come back home
Speaker 9: the same thing can be true.
Speaker 1: She's Juli Hannash, You're our license mental health expert. Monday Morning,
Speaker 1: it's always Julie of course talking about mental health Monday
Speaker 1: at be connected care the time change. Yeah, it's okay
Speaker 1: right now because you've got an extra hour sleep, But
Speaker 1: you know you still feel effects of this too, because
Speaker 1: heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents, your mental
Speaker 1: health starts to stuffer with that you get because if
Speaker 1: you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression. Seasonal
Speaker 1: effective disorder is a huge one.
Speaker 9: It is, and that is triggered by the time change
Speaker 9: and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder
Speaker 9: is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in
Speaker 9: our day, and people feel that in many different ways.
Speaker 9: People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny,
Speaker 9: like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective
Speaker 9: disorder year round. People who live in areas that are
Speaker 9: more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less
Speaker 9: of it. It becomes more acute. So you can have
Speaker 9: it sort of consistently or you can have it acutely,
Speaker 9: depending upon.
Speaker 4: The seasonal change.
Speaker 9: But our bodies need sunlight. It helps with mood regulation,
Speaker 9: it helps with sleep regulation, It helps with stress levels,
Speaker 9: cortisol levels, it helps with adrenaline. It is important for
Speaker 9: us to have sunshine in our lives, and when we
Speaker 9: go to work in the dark and come home in
Speaker 9: the dark and we're not outside during the day, it's
Speaker 9: a problem. Those sunlamps really do help.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a happy any bright.
Speaker 1: Light, yeah, yeah, because it has to be when a
Speaker 1: certain spectrum.
Speaker 9: Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum.
Speaker 9: You have to use it ideally at particular times of day,
Speaker 9: four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the
Speaker 9: impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge
Speaker 9: effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting
Speaker 9: under any light.
Speaker 4: It's about the.
Speaker 9: Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes
Speaker 9: and hitting your brain. You can get that just also
Speaker 9: by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on.
Speaker 4: It. It's not terribly bright.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of
Speaker 1: the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings
Speaker 1: with it. You mentioned different times of the day when
Speaker 1: she'd be exposed. What are you talking.
Speaker 9: What's optimal first thing in the morning, before you start
Speaker 9: your day, ideally fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because
Speaker 9: that triggers your body into recognizing that it's awake and
Speaker 9: time to work now, and your brain starts creating all
Speaker 9: of those hormones that you need in order to go
Speaker 9: through your day and do a really good job going
Speaker 9: through your day. And then sometimes if you have a
Speaker 9: slump in the middle of the day, that's another really
Speaker 9: good time to get some sunlight through your eyes, because
Speaker 9: that will again stimulate your brain to produce the hormones
Speaker 9: that provide energy and cognition and keep you sharp and focused.
Speaker 9: And then later at night, as you're starting to wind down,
Speaker 9: you want to decrease blue light so screen time and
Speaker 9: increase warm light in your home, and then that makes
Speaker 9: the transition to sleep easier and makes your sleep more
Speaker 9: RESTful so that you can get.
Speaker 4: Up the next day and do it again.
Speaker 5: All right, So what about that?
Speaker 1: She you mentioned the sleep shifting and getting used to
Speaker 1: this thing, But how often should you?
Speaker 5: What about naps?
Speaker 1: I think that's a good one too, because it feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, especially when its gray and dark and we
Speaker 1: just want to curl up and heave an Well, why
Speaker 1: do naps get such a bad rap?
Speaker 7: I don't know why.
Speaker 9: Naps got such a bad rap, But I also don't
Speaker 9: know why sleep got such a bad rap. I mean,
Speaker 9: do you remember back in the days when people used
Speaker 9: to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead, and people used
Speaker 9: to brag about getting by on three or four hours
Speaker 9: of sleep a night. And we know physiologically and mentally
Speaker 9: and emotionally that we most of us need seven to
Speaker 9: nine hours of sleep a night, good quality sleep. So
Speaker 9: if you are someone who needs a nap in the
Speaker 9: middle of the day, what the recommendation currently is is
Speaker 9: that you don't go for more than about thirty minutes
Speaker 9: to take a power nap. Anything more than that, you're
Speaker 9: getting into a full sleep cycle. And if you interrupt
Speaker 9: a full sleep cycle, that leaves you feeling groggier and
Speaker 9: more disconnected than.
Speaker 8: Before you went in. And so fifteen to thirty.
Speaker 9: Minutes is ideal for most people, and just one of
Speaker 9: those a day to kind of boost your energy and
Speaker 9: boost your mood can be real. I don't know why
Speaker 9: NAP's got a bad wrap.
Speaker 1: That have to be when I appear and work ethic, right,
Speaker 1: and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I.
Speaker 9: Mean there is that. Although I remember there were a
Speaker 9: few times in my life when I would take my
Speaker 9: lunch hour and go to my car and nap for
Speaker 9: thirty minutes and then get back into the office and
Speaker 9: work again because I was so tired. You can't really
Speaker 9: nap at your desk. I'd go hang out in my
Speaker 9: car and nap and then come back in.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the
Speaker 1: people I work with. I don't want to lay where
Speaker 1: they lay.
Speaker 5: You know what I say, I do know what you mean.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm lucky.
Speaker 4: I have a couch in my office. Yeah. I could
Speaker 4: lay down on my couch if I.
Speaker 1: Needed now, five ten minutes, if you need it. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 5: I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it,
Speaker 5: it makes you more productive.
Speaker 1: I understand. We don't encourage it more. Now you could
Speaker 1: be like some people and probably have a two hour nap.
Speaker 1: That's a little much.
Speaker 9: Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the
Speaker 9: way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A
Speaker 9: complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first
Speaker 9: part of the sleep cycle is the really restorative. That's
Speaker 9: why the first thirty minutes is great. That thirty minute nap.
Speaker 9: Once you move into the second part of the sleep cycle.
Speaker 9: If you awake from that in the middle of it,
Speaker 9: it's really hard to get back on track again. That's
Speaker 9: when you wake up and your groggy, and you actually
Speaker 9: maybe feel worse than before you took the nap because
Speaker 9: you're in that second part of the sleep cycle.
Speaker 8: It's not really helpful.
Speaker 9: So that's why the thirty minutes is pretty much ideal.
Speaker 1: Which time change is worse, the Sprague one or this
Speaker 1: and I think it'd be this one now, granted, were
Speaker 1: still going to get an extra hour sleep. You love
Speaker 1: that one. Bars are open. If you're younger, that means
Speaker 1: the bars are open for the next hour. But for
Speaker 1: those of us adults, like to me, it's like, this
Speaker 1: is worse because we know what's coming. You know that
Speaker 1: we're not going to see the sun. It's going to
Speaker 1: get dark and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work.
Speaker 1: It's going to be dark. To get home for work,
Speaker 1: it's going to be dark. There's no joy in that,
Speaker 1: there's nothing look forward to until we fix it in
Speaker 1: the spring.
Speaker 9: Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on
Speaker 9: our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it.
Speaker 9: So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour
Speaker 9: of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days
Speaker 9: are coming. However, there are people who really like winter,
Speaker 9: and so for them, this season that's coming up is
Speaker 9: not gloomy and doomy. It is really fun. They like
Speaker 9: outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They really enjoy,
Speaker 9: you know, coziness around a fire. So for them winter
Speaker 9: is actually a lovely season and they're not disliking it
Speaker 9: at all. So physiologically the change is very similar, or
Speaker 9: the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we make
Speaker 9: of it that makes for me and you spring an
Speaker 9: easier one to manage than fall.
Speaker 1: I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I
Speaker 1: like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter
Speaker 1: up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: which is wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do
Speaker 1: Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice
Speaker 1: white snowfalls something like that. Get a couple of feet
Speaker 1: of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But
Speaker 1: then one it's just dooming and blooming, right, we don't
Speaker 1: have that. So and then after that, yeah, by February.
Speaker 1: February starts to roll around when pictures and Catchers report,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it needs to be over, and then
Speaker 1: we got two mile months of misery is a problem.
Speaker 9: Yes, pictures and catchers report used to be a national
Speaker 9: holiday in my household when my kids were young, that
Speaker 9: was their favorite day of the year.
Speaker 8: Baseball season was starting.
Speaker 5: It's over.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's over, yeah exactly, and that's when things should
Speaker 9: start to get warmer now. Like you, I like winter.
Speaker 9: I like a cold Christmas and a cold New Year.
Speaker 9: And then you know, early mid January, I'm kind of done.
Speaker 9: I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again.
Speaker 1: Well did you also notice too that the older, when
Speaker 1: as you get older, you want more sunshine.
Speaker 9: Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood,
Speaker 9: it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for
Speaker 9: all of the processes in our body, and the older
Speaker 9: we get, the.
Speaker 8: More challenging physically things.
Speaker 9: Can become, the more we need every little bit of
Speaker 9: help we can access, and sunlight is important. Darkness feels
Speaker 9: darker the older I get, I agree with you, And
Speaker 9: winter feels more wintery and yuckie the older I get,
Speaker 9: And I think that that is pretty common. It's harder
Speaker 9: to stay warm when you're older, it's harder to navigate
Speaker 9: in the dark when you're older, and we need more
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Speaker 9: and we need more of the cortisol to get us
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Speaker 9: because as we get older, our brains produce less of that.
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Speaker 1: about anybody getting fired down at pay Corps. Shouldn't someone
Speaker 1: be fired for this? We'll name names coming up with
Speaker 1: Austin as the the watches on for a sacrificial lamb
Speaker 1: down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out,
Speaker 1: back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the
Speaker 1: Home of the Best Bengals covered Scoontzland putting the dope
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Speaker 3: Since you want to American, All.
Speaker 5: Right, here we go.
Speaker 1: We have good news today. Good news today. Dodgers won
Speaker 1: the World Series. Some really good news. I opened the
Speaker 1: Jays would win. I don't know how it makes the
Speaker 1: Bred look any bad or worse, but nonetheless we have shootings.
Speaker 1: And speaking of sports, we have the Bengals. If you
Speaker 1: thought last week against the Jets was the worst ever,
Speaker 1: literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold my beer,
Speaker 1: hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the football game
Speaker 1: and the script is always this. In the extremely unlikely
Speaker 1: event you recover an on side kick, and then and
Speaker 1: they more extremely unlikely version, you go in and you
Speaker 1: score a touchdown to go ahead.
Speaker 5: You do not lose the game. Is that is that
Speaker 5: is written in stone?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, it is written in stone. Austin Elmer from ESPN
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty. The last two times the Bengals have recovered
Speaker 1: an on side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: They did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the
Speaker 1: Burrow Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they
Speaker 1: feverishly came back and ended up losing that game, which
Speaker 1: secured the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came
Speaker 1: back and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's
Speaker 1: a Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when
Speaker 1: it was they only needed like twenty yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I say that, I tell you because this is more
Speaker 1: insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know to me,
Speaker 1: simply because it's an only seven team, you're gonna play
Speaker 1: like you got nothing. Chicago comes, you have the game
Speaker 1: one in a little of the closing seconds, all you
Speaker 1: had to do is make it to just stop the
Speaker 1: one guy that's it. Did you did you say like
Speaker 1: this game should have could have and would have been won.
Speaker 10: Did you really think when the Bengals scored the touchdown
Speaker 10: to go up one point and Chicago had fifty seconds
Speaker 10: and a time out, I thought theta which styck the
Speaker 10: Bengals were going to win. Noo sty exactly. Nobody thought
Speaker 10: they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick
Speaker 10: a field goal and they get out of there.
Speaker 1: But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I
Speaker 1: know all you need to do is tackle.
Speaker 10: All you have to do, Scott were nine games in.
Speaker 10: This is who they are. The expectation is no longer
Speaker 10: for them to win football games. It is how badly
Speaker 10: are they going to screw up the chances they do have?
Speaker 10: Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was
Speaker 10: going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there.
Speaker 10: And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard.
Speaker 10: They played pretty well, at least offensively, they kept themselves
Speaker 10: in the game. But defensive I knew if they needed
Speaker 10: to have a stop, they had to get a stop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: All right, here's why now Normally, like at eleven thirty
Speaker 1: five of James with Peena, he's busy. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he sees something in the tea leaves or whatever.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, well we'll do James early this morning,
Speaker 1: had him out at nine this morning from Sports Illustrated,
Speaker 1: locked on Bengals and bengalstock dot Com. Great I said,
Speaker 1: I'll maybe get Audie or something on later in the
Speaker 1: show to eleven o'clock hour, because you just have a
Speaker 1: sense with the other thirty one other cities, it's like
Speaker 1: somebody's got to pay for this. And I bring that
Speaker 1: up because Zach Taylor says it's sick, it's sick to
Speaker 1: lose that.
Speaker 5: I feel sick.
Speaker 4: I'm sick.
Speaker 1: I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that
Speaker 1: he's that tells me he's out of answers.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game,
Speaker 1: but it was reported that like all the guys on
Speaker 1: defense and the ones that were a lot of the
Speaker 1: problems were laughing to the media going, we're not talking.
Speaker 1: I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this.
Speaker 1: And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and
Speaker 1: Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys, like
Speaker 1: a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off about this,
Speaker 1: talking badly in the locker room about the defense and
Speaker 1: the defensive players are responsible, like ah, okay, see I
Speaker 1: see on Monday, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 1: That tells me that there's no control in the lock.
Speaker 1: Like literally, they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right,
Speaker 1: they've lost the room, as they say in hockey.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So what I keep hearing from people around the
Speaker 10: team is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on
Speaker 10: the defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture.
Speaker 10: There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who
Speaker 10: are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line.
Speaker 10: So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson, they're
Speaker 10: not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of,
Speaker 10: you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent
Speaker 10: pole guys to edbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything,
Speaker 10: a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny,
Speaker 10: enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work.
Speaker 10: And that's a major issue for this. And there's no
Speaker 10: repercussions for it now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 10: Part of it is if you bench a team captain
Speaker 10: and Logan Wilson, well, then okay, well he's he's not
Speaker 10: going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay,
Speaker 10: he's not going to be a part of the solution.
Speaker 10: But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part
Speaker 10: of it's really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the
Speaker 10: Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people
Speaker 10: into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a
Speaker 10: leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the
Speaker 10: loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well,
Speaker 10: they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed together.
Speaker 5: To do that. Because it's about talent, but it's also
Speaker 5: about chemistry.
Speaker 10: It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's
Speaker 10: a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what
Speaker 10: your job is, what's required of you, and how you
Speaker 10: can become a better person, a person and player. And
Speaker 10: there's a humility that comes with that. I think of
Speaker 10: Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game,
Speaker 10: essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a
Speaker 10: solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had,
Speaker 10: you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead
Speaker 10: of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin, he didn't put
Speaker 10: his arms out. He lowered his shoulder he tried to
Speaker 10: hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he
Speaker 10: possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six
Speaker 10: foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right
Speaker 10: off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to
Speaker 10: be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not
Speaker 10: about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running
Speaker 10: and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have
Speaker 10: too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I
Speaker 10: know the reports coming out of the locker room of
Speaker 10: the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I
Speaker 10: need a little bit more context on that. I would
Speaker 10: like to have some more context because the other people
Speaker 10: that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really
Speaker 10: came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I
Speaker 10: want to know more about what was asked of them.
Speaker 10: How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft
Speaker 10: not to speak to the media after a loss. You
Speaker 10: mentioned Jamar chase it, Chase Brown does it, Joe Flacco
Speaker 10: does it, Zach Taylor does it. Those are grown men,
Speaker 10: those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh at
Speaker 10: off and say ah, we'll see you guys on Monday.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 10: I don't assume that they thought it was funny that
Speaker 10: they lost. I think they thought it was funny that
Speaker 10: the reporters wanted to talk to him.
Speaker 7: Yea.
Speaker 5: And that's an issue and again a sign of immature.
Speaker 1: When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between
Speaker 1: that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals
Speaker 1: crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen,
Speaker 1: that they said so well, that Joe Flacco played so
Speaker 1: incredibly well. Yeah, that they allow that to occur and
Speaker 1: think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now,
Speaker 1: defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media.
Speaker 1: At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben
Speaker 1: and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this
Speaker 1: earlier to James, Like, no one in Cincinnati say maybe
Speaker 1: you Dawson, and people follow us real closely.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't know what that guy look like down the street.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of general manager, it's player personal guys that
Speaker 1: are accountable will come on and talk to the media
Speaker 1: to you. Don't hear anything about that dude? Seems to
Speaker 1: be important and they're not doing it. But that then
Speaker 1: that tells you, Okay, well, how much is it on him.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear his side of this, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't get that out. He doesn't talk, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking, and
Speaker 1: he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's been
Speaker 1: here since nineteen ninety nine, and really the vast majority
Speaker 1: of his success has come when they're picking inside the
Speaker 1: top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody can
Speaker 1: pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot of
Speaker 1: it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis, who
Speaker 1: had a really good staff that built player scouts and
Speaker 1: development people that were really really good at it. And
Speaker 1: that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able to
Speaker 1: get the most out of what he had. And outside
Speaker 1: of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much at all.
Speaker 1: Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded their research
Speaker 1: that they have gotten bigger in that regard, but it
Speaker 1: feels like they're going backwards when it comes to how
Speaker 1: they're building a team.
Speaker 5: They did nothing.
Speaker 10: Duke Tobin did nothing about the safety position, and what
Speaker 10: has been the biggest heel on this defense so far
Speaker 10: this year, it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and
Speaker 10: Geno Stone. It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This
Speaker 10: team hasn't made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and they've tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That
Speaker 10: didn't work. So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crosshairs.
Speaker 10: Duke Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job.
Speaker 10: And that is easy for me to say. It's easy
Speaker 10: for anybody who watches this team and understands this team
Speaker 10: and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke
Speaker 10: Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so
Speaker 10: insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen
Speaker 10: ninety nine that calling for his head or having those
Speaker 10: conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization.
Speaker 1: What led to another record, but what led to Marvin
Speaker 1: lewis being related duties. I think the team ownership felt
Speaker 1: it so much from the fan base sure that they
Speaker 1: had to make a change. And I think at the
Speaker 1: time mister Brown said, Mike Brown said, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to do this we really didn't want to, but you
Speaker 1: feel the same kind worse I do.
Speaker 10: And I think that the presence of Elizabeth Blackburn in
Speaker 10: that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn, I think
Speaker 10: those two have more pool than they've ever had before,
Speaker 10: and they care deeply about the external view of the Bengals. Yeah,
Speaker 10: they care about what people think, and they should NFL
Speaker 10: team should care about what their fans think. Do I
Speaker 10: think that's enough to sway Mike Brown and Katie Probably not,
Speaker 10: but I do think they have a seat at the table,
Speaker 10: and I do think that matters now. Part of the
Speaker 10: reason also that Marve ended up getting canned is they
Speaker 10: had about three drafts in a row where they missed
Speaker 10: on a lot of players, and that's exactly what's happening
Speaker 10: here as well. They've missed and they've set themselves back
Speaker 10: years and years, and so it might be time now. Listen,
Speaker 10: if you fire Al Golden today, I think that's the
Speaker 10: right move because he's not doing a good enough job
Speaker 10: with this group. But also there's a bunch of bad
Speaker 10: players on this group and it's not really going to
Speaker 10: change anything.
Speaker 5: Look at that would right.
Speaker 1: I made this point of Lou Aneromo goes to Indy,
Speaker 1: gets shown the door having a great year in indianapoliss I
Speaker 1: mean they lost the package that they are lost to
Speaker 1: the Steelers yesterday, But okay, they're having a good season
Speaker 1: with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about this defense?
Speaker 1: He leaves, they put Al Golden in and the defense
Speaker 1: arguably got worse. How much do you I don't hang
Speaker 1: much of this on Al Golden because it's a small
Speaker 1: sample size. I think it's what we're talking about. What's
Speaker 1: the one consonant. It's the personnel that you're getting in there.
Speaker 1: It's the Bengals going to put an all world record
Speaker 1: up for allowing yards after hit initial contact. It's why
Speaker 1: they're like eight hundred yards now after the first contact.
Speaker 1: It's insane numbers and the and also Zach Taylor. How
Speaker 1: much how much you should be on head coach Ac Taylor?
Speaker 1: Granted he runs the offense. Offense is fine. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if I have the beef with Zach or
Speaker 1: Al Golden as much as I did Duke Topin.
Speaker 10: I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to
Speaker 10: Duke Topin. Let's let's not let's not forget about that. However,
Speaker 10: if you operate under the assumption that Duke is insulated
Speaker 10: from criticism, which he is. They don't let him talk
Speaker 10: to the media. He doesn't do any of that, and
Speaker 10: so you have to kind of operate from the idea
Speaker 10: that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of his duties.
Speaker 10: I look at the defense and I say, Al Golden
Speaker 10: has not done a good enough job putting his guys
Speaker 10: in position. And I think back, as an Ohio State
Speaker 10: fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play of the game,
Speaker 10: third down. He goes one on one with the best
Speaker 10: football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith, cooks his cornerback,
Speaker 10: catches the ball. Ohio State wins the championship. That was
Speaker 10: a stupid play call by Al Golden the National Championship Game.
Speaker 10: There have been stupid play calls by Al Golden as
Speaker 10: a defensive coordinator this year. Is it all his fault? No,
Speaker 10: because there are a bunch of bad players. I think
Speaker 10: eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor. This was
Speaker 10: Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al Golden, his buddy, his neighbor,
Speaker 10: his guy who was here previously. The continuity and the
Speaker 10: familiarity of previously. I think that's a Zach Taylor issue.
Speaker 10: I think Zach has struggled to find the right position
Speaker 10: coaches at times over the years and that has had
Speaker 10: a negative impact on scouting and development because of the
Speaker 10: weight that is put on Bengals coaches, specifically in this organization.
Speaker 10: And I think eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor,
Speaker 10: and he has failed to build a defensive staff because again,
Speaker 10: think about it, Zach delegates mostly everything on defense.
Speaker 5: He's done.
Speaker 10: I think this you could make the argument this is
Speaker 10: one of the most impressive offensive.
Speaker 5: Coaching seasons of.
Speaker 10: Going down, incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to
Speaker 10: the defensive side of the ball. Louis an Arumo was
Speaker 10: basically the head coach last year on defense, right, Yeah,
Speaker 10: and that's fine. People do that across the league all
Speaker 10: the time. But there is not a respect or an
Speaker 10: appreciation for Al Golden like there was for lou Ana Rumo.
Speaker 10: It started to be a mutiny last year where guys
Speaker 10: were turning on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so
Speaker 10: they kind of scaped goat lou. Well, now you're starting
Speaker 10: to figure out maybe it's actually the players on the team.
Speaker 5: You fire Al Golden and get somebody else and you
Speaker 5: get the same result.
Speaker 10: That what Yeah, And again that finger points back to
Speaker 10: Duke Tobin, right, but it also points back to Zach
Speaker 10: Taylor because these are his guys and his coaches, and
Speaker 10: he has to say in all of that as well.
Speaker 10: All right, I don't like It's they have come to
Speaker 10: a point where you have five years left basically in
Speaker 10: the Burrow era, and they have gone through the last
Speaker 10: six years basically of failure, two really good seasons. Ye,
Speaker 10: Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left
Speaker 10: in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye.
Speaker 5: It really is. You have to clean house.
Speaker 10: Now and try to build this thing up so you
Speaker 10: have at least a chance at the end of this
Speaker 10: thing over the next five.
Speaker 1: Years and keep Burrow healthy. Because it's not just that,
Speaker 1: it's also what the on line is doing. Of course,
Speaker 1: you mentioned safety and defense, and it's there's this is
Speaker 1: not like a ay offseason, we'll get it squared away.
Speaker 1: It should have been addressed this year in the upcoming season.
Speaker 1: And now you've pushed all that back and how much
Speaker 1: longer has that reduced that window because now you've got
Speaker 1: to do it over maybe the next two seasons, right, correct,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do this in one.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm right there with you, which again tells me
Speaker 10: why you need to start thinking ahead right now, which
Speaker 10: means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson, trade anybody, you
Speaker 10: can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use that in the
Speaker 10: offseason to go and get some other better players. They're
Speaker 10: looking at sixty five to seventy million dollars in cap
Speaker 10: space next year, which is certainly doable. You can turn
Speaker 10: things around with that amount of money. I know everybody
Speaker 10: wants to think that they're broke because of Joe Burrow
Speaker 10: and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by the way, the
Speaker 10: restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even hit yet, so
Speaker 10: you can expand that money even more so. I do
Speaker 10: think you can turn it around quickly. I don't know
Speaker 10: that you can turn it all around in a year.
Speaker 10: But again, one of the talking points coming into this
Speaker 10: season was can they go from the thirty first ranked
Speaker 10: defense to the twentieth And if they do, guess what,
Speaker 10: they're probably six and two right now. If they had
Speaker 10: the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they would probably
Speaker 10: be six and.
Speaker 5: Two and instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct
Speaker 5: one thing wrong way.
Speaker 10: One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the year,
Speaker 10: Scott is that it can always get me.
Speaker 1: Now, it can't get worse because there's not thirty three teams.
Speaker 10: Well maybe, but like that's where we're at, and so
Speaker 10: you have to, like starting today, start looking about looking
Speaker 10: to next year and the year after and the year.
Speaker 5: After that, real quick.
Speaker 1: Austin Elmore from esp in fifteen thirty, Can you do
Speaker 1: that without? Because two things? You fire Al Golden. Let's
Speaker 1: say that happened. They're doing that right now. Okay, okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I fire Duke Tobin. Do you need him to unload players?
Speaker 1: Do you need him to stock draft picked? I don't
Speaker 1: think you do. Do you wait until Wednesday?
Speaker 3: Don't?
Speaker 5: I don't think you do.
Speaker 10: I think there are people in that building that are
Speaker 10: absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do
Speaker 10: it if she needed to, because she did it for
Speaker 10: a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization
Speaker 10: for a long time. He's a scouting executive. Trey Brown,
Speaker 10: who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league.
Speaker 10: He might make the most sense as the internal candidate
Speaker 10: to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I
Speaker 10: think they should go external. But there are people in
Speaker 10: that organzation that can absolute and Mike was the GM
Speaker 10: for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm
Speaker 10: talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if
Speaker 10: I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands.
Speaker 10: But if you're moving on.
Speaker 1: But listen, Duke's everybody and everybody's on the table, well
Speaker 1: pretty much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's off table?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 10: Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner, DJ turn Good. Yesterday Romo Dunes,
Speaker 10: they had zero catches for zero yards. He had one
Speaker 10: catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who
Speaker 10: was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build
Speaker 10: around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of
Speaker 10: building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career,
Speaker 10: played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a perfect example.
Speaker 10: Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the Bengals, for
Speaker 10: some reason, thought they could win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 5: That's the only reason who's here.
Speaker 10: They basically told him to his face, we don't believe
Speaker 10: in you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older,
Speaker 10: you think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it.
Speaker 10: And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys
Speaker 10: turned thirty and they said we want you back because
Speaker 10: we think who can win the Super Bowl this year?
Speaker 10: Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no
Speaker 10: longer with the team. Get as much as you can now,
Speaker 10: I'm real quickly.
Speaker 1: We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three?
Speaker 5: Does it happen? Uh?
Speaker 10: Today? No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No,
Speaker 10: I don't think it's going to happen during the season.
Speaker 5: That's something else right there. I agree.
Speaker 1: And you're out trying to sell season tickets too with
Speaker 1: a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck with that,
Speaker 1: and then good luck.
Speaker 10: I would be shocked if there were any in season moves,
Speaker 10: just because I know how this organization operates.
Speaker 1: I don't expect it at all. More on this and
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on
Speaker 1: ESPN fifty thirty appreciation you, thank you, We'll do news
Speaker 1: and council member Seth Walschnexx check out my Facebook and
Speaker 1: X page. Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR.
Speaker 5: That's next seven hundred horrible.
Speaker 1: Weekend and Cincinnati not only the football field, but of
Speaker 1: course with violence. Seven people shot and two different shootings
Speaker 1: over the weekend, one in Carthage and two locations there
Speaker 1: one person dead and then a handful of people shot
Speaker 1: in OTR outside of nightclub out there inside of Privy,
Speaker 1: which is literally steps away from Ryan Geis. I just
Speaker 1: posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott Sloane and
Speaker 1: at X at Scott Sloane video shared with me that
Speaker 1: shows the day after the morning after the shooting in OTR,
Speaker 1: a gun was found in the grass right across from seat.
Speaker 1: How do you miss a gun in the grass across
Speaker 1: the street unless it was maybe thrown there after? But
Speaker 1: I don't know why to do that. Well, there's cops
Speaker 1: and crime scene tape up if you want to see it,
Speaker 1: go there.
Speaker 5: It's just a horrific look.
Speaker 1: For our city and we don't need any more bad
Speaker 1: looks these days for sure. Joining the show this morning
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course
Speaker 1: we happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that
Speaker 1: the city got it all wrong. And who was the
Speaker 1: aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would
Speaker 1: be councole member Seth Walsh. Back again on the Big One, Seth,
Speaker 1: Good morning. Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does
Speaker 1: it Well, we'll start with this. You're out campaigning, are
Speaker 1: on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend.
Speaker 1: Have we become just simply numb to the steady drumbeat
Speaker 1: of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot in
Speaker 1: one weekends a lot.
Speaker 4: It is a lot.
Speaker 11: I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't.
Speaker 11: I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard
Speaker 11: the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw
Speaker 11: ouside of Privy. I mean, that was something that in
Speaker 11: my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I
Speaker 11: had been raising concerns about since April, and the city
Speaker 11: didn't step in and solve it. And we have.
Speaker 5: To do better.
Speaker 11: This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to
Speaker 11: be sitting in the city having this conversation today, knowing
Speaker 11: what we knew going into this weekend.
Speaker 1: So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was
Speaker 1: used to be posh events I think was event Center
Speaker 1: and now it's Privy nightclub. And it looks like, you know,
Speaker 1: they got the velvet rope up if that's you're scene,
Speaker 1: got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet
Speaker 1: rope they wand you have a where you get in
Speaker 1: out of the club. Allegedly what caused that was someone
Speaker 1: was turned away at the door for whatever reason. The
Speaker 1: video I just shared on my social feed at x
Speaker 1: and at Facebook at Scott Sloan shows a gun across
Speaker 1: the street from where the police were hours earlier following
Speaker 1: the shooting.
Speaker 5: This would have been Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: The shooting happened about one o'clock Saturday night, So there's
Speaker 1: a gun laying in the grass the next morning. Horrible
Speaker 1: look for the city. What do you understand happened? And
Speaker 1: what's the latest that you're hearing from the administration? Are
Speaker 1: those you talk to seth.
Speaker 11: Honestly, what you just talked about is you know, almost
Speaker 11: more than what I've known.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 11: I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and
Speaker 11: I have not been given any update on the situation
Speaker 11: and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know,
Speaker 11: like I said, you know the bar itself. You know,
Speaker 11: as you listed, they are doing things to be proactive.
Speaker 11: I'm trying to prevent incidents from happening. But we have
Speaker 11: had a number of quality of life issues and concerns
Speaker 11: ories about them literally for six months now, and it
Speaker 11: seems that just continually escalated one way or another, not
Speaker 11: usually within the club, but you know, from an impact
Speaker 11: outside of it, and the fact of the city, you know,
Speaker 11: I think giving me more information concerns me frankly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have ryan Geist right around the corner.
Speaker 1: That's a huge operation, never any problems there. But we
Speaker 1: have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a
Speaker 1: gun with them, which is why I have harm security.
Speaker 1: And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've
Speaker 1: been this way for a while. But as an old
Speaker 1: man now, Seth, I don't about you as a young
Speaker 1: man if I go to a place and they pull
Speaker 1: a wand to wand me metal detector. I go to
Speaker 1: the metal detector getting the club. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go in that.
Speaker 11: Bar well, and I think that's part of the objectives
Speaker 11: of the bar was to make sure people knew that
Speaker 11: that wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this
Speaker 11: weekend shows that you know, that type of clientele still
Speaker 11: was coming and results in in a horrible this horrible tragedy. Also,
Speaker 11: I mean it is literally right across from r I guess,
Speaker 11: and so it's a very important part of the city
Speaker 11: and where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're
Speaker 11: trying to work on.
Speaker 4: We have to find a way.
Speaker 11: We bar owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but
Speaker 11: we can't continually have these impacts where just because they
Speaker 11: don't enter the establishment, they're trying to come to your
Speaker 11: establishment and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after
Speaker 11: they've left your establishment. At some point we have to
Speaker 11: start saying, like we all have to be holding each
Speaker 11: other accountable here. This is not a one off incident.
Speaker 11: When when these quality of life incidents are just ramping up,
Speaker 11: what do we do to cool it down and make
Speaker 11: it something that it's safe for everybody to go there,
Speaker 11: because we should not have had this violent incident this weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there,
Speaker 1: because apparently that's what's causing the violence.
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 11: I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there,
Speaker 11: but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough,
Speaker 11: so I can't comment.
Speaker 1: On, well, thank god we got the food truck band
Speaker 1: because I don't know how this is happening. If that
Speaker 1: we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth walshon and
Speaker 1: but that's just the ridiculous of the spons we you know,
Speaker 1: we've often talked that You've talked about this before. Is
Speaker 1: all right if it's a if it's a known trouble spot.
Speaker 1: We talked about the hookah bars and hookah lounges, and
Speaker 1: there's there's some bars and places they have multiple service
Speaker 1: calls there and they're still in operation. A number of
Speaker 1: places like that in Roselawn. But this is an OTR.
Speaker 1: This is in the the heartbeat of the entertainment area
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend You've got a
Speaker 1: lot of revelers out there and then this kind of
Speaker 1: nonsense goes down. Uh and you know, I mean face it,
Speaker 1: there's you see students in the like they don't feel safe.
Speaker 1: I've known some parents for a while now that every
Speaker 1: time something like this happens, they wring their hands, going,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I should allow my kid to continue
Speaker 1: going to UC. And that's you know, around the Clifton
Speaker 1: campus obviously. So it's a much bigger problem than that
Speaker 1: relative to this level of violence that we're looking at.
Speaker 1: And this this seven shootings over the weekend. We'll go
Speaker 1: into the Carthage one in just a second.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: Have we been proactive enough about going after liquor license?
Speaker 1: I know that the state and Mike DeWine, Governor de
Speaker 1: Wine offered the services of the Ohio State Highway Patrol
Speaker 1: as well as liquor Control to come insts start going
Speaker 1: after these establishments. There's a lot of problems. Has the
Speaker 1: administration accepted that and leaned into it? Because I know
Speaker 1: there's troopers coming down like I don't know, one weekend
Speaker 1: a month or something like that, Like it's the national
Speaker 1: I could say the reservists, But what about liquor control.
Speaker 5: Have we leaned into that?
Speaker 11: In my opinion, no, I don't think we. I don't
Speaker 11: think we take this series enough. And the reason I
Speaker 11: keep talking about quality of life issues is because those
Speaker 11: are you know, it's a broken window theory that is
Speaker 11: the opening point to when things start to escalate. If
Speaker 11: we don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance,
Speaker 11: then also you get tar break ins and then you
Speaker 11: get to violence. A lot of the situations that I've
Speaker 11: personally been briefed on over the summer, it seems like
Speaker 11: there were these warning signs and red flags that lead
Speaker 11: to the incident ultimately happening. That we were like, oh, man,
Speaker 11: who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of
Speaker 11: life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we
Speaker 11: should intervene earlier.
Speaker 4: In this case.
Speaker 11: In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member
Speaker 11: of Sinciety Counts, so I personally told the city manager
Speaker 11: about my concerns around that bar and that establishment and
Speaker 11: the results, and I warned that this was a tragedy
Speaker 11: that I was worried would happen, and it still happened
Speaker 11: because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make sure
Speaker 11: that it did not happen. I'm not saying the bar
Speaker 11: owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that I
Speaker 11: was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner almost
Speaker 11: every week for the last six months, and yet we
Speaker 11: were going to act like we didn't know that this
Speaker 11: is going to happen. How many more times is that?
Speaker 11: Is that going to be acceptable? When we started the
Speaker 11: revitalization of over the rune of downtown, if you look
Speaker 11: at that plan in two thousand and two, one of
Speaker 11: the biggest things they said.
Speaker 4: Was zero tolerance on crime.
Speaker 11: And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage,
Speaker 11: but I am saying the quality of life matters, and
Speaker 11: it is an indicator. When we start ignoring it, we're
Speaker 11: not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down.
Speaker 11: It does lead to worse and worse actions and indications.
Speaker 11: We hope that they never get to this stage of violence,
Speaker 11: but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is
Speaker 11: responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar
Speaker 11: owners and people that are going in and out of
Speaker 11: these establishments. But I personally think that the city and
Speaker 11: I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm furious
Speaker 11: right now, need to get serious about this and need
Speaker 11: to say we are not going to tolerate this any longer.
Speaker 11: We're going to get aggressive and we're going to get
Speaker 11: this under control because this cannot continue to happen, especially
Speaker 11: when we have warning signs.
Speaker 1: What has the city in particularly this is may or
Speaker 1: have to have peerval ensure along the city manager. Have
Speaker 1: they addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning.
Speaker 1: Have they addressed to see your satisfaction and said anything.
Speaker 11: Well, as I mentioned at the start of this interview,
Speaker 11: I reached out yesterday when it was right when you
Speaker 11: and I were talking about me coming on today, and
Speaker 11: I have not heard anything since then, And I think
Speaker 11: the noise is definie And I think that's been one
Speaker 11: of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that
Speaker 11: so often we don't have any information on what's going on.
Speaker 11: We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more
Speaker 11: information and this situation, I think I can surmise it's
Speaker 11: because for six months we have a lot of like
Speaker 11: we had myself in particular, warning about it, but so often,
Speaker 11: I mean every single one of these incidents, it's like,
Speaker 11: just come on, give us some information about what's going
Speaker 11: on here and what we're going to do about it,
Speaker 11: and how we can prevent this going forward. The silence
Speaker 11: is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 1: Council Member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll
Speaker 1: pull this back to my opening and what happened in July.
Speaker 1: We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out
Speaker 1: on Signal ninety not it's a Facebook page or they
Speaker 1: have a website, and this is the video that Kip
Speaker 1: Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about during
Speaker 1: the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim in
Speaker 1: this case, who was you know, the city demanded it
Speaker 1: he be charged. We know that the mayor and the
Speaker 1: city manager have their hands all over this as to
Speaker 1: why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in this case.
Speaker 1: We saw the video where he was punching, slapping a
Speaker 1: black man, and the story didn't start there. As it
Speaker 1: turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive video evidence.
Speaker 1: It shows that he was attacked from behind, punk in
Speaker 1: the back of the head by a man who was
Speaker 1: also charged in this whole thing as well, before he
Speaker 1: did what he felt he had to do was being
Speaker 1: physically attacked by this. They've been sitting on the surveillance
Speaker 1: footage for a long time. It finally got leaked out
Speaker 1: a few days before the election. That right now, isn't
Speaker 1: this cut from the same cloth in that if it's
Speaker 1: something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us look badly,
Speaker 1: or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been three months af and no one there's nothing new
Speaker 1: in this case. What the hell's taken so long? And
Speaker 1: doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here? The
Speaker 1: lack of an action and transparency on the part of
Speaker 1: the administration.
Speaker 11: Yes, I mean one hundred percent. I don't know why
Speaker 11: that video. I mean it was turned over to the
Speaker 11: city and the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after
Speaker 11: the brawl. I don't believe there's any delay in official
Speaker 11: individuals getting this video. We released video quickly when there's
Speaker 11: an officer involved shooting. This was a situation of between
Speaker 11: national and international attention. Why did we not release it?
Speaker 11: I asked last Monday, I asked somebody if I could
Speaker 11: see the video, and I didn't see it till least online. Yes,
Speaker 11: some of this stuff. I think we make way harder
Speaker 11: and more complicated than it needs to be because at
Speaker 11: this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion based
Speaker 11: on videos that leaps out before this, and we're all
Speaker 11: digging in our heels on it instead of actually having
Speaker 11: been able to just watch the video in the first place.
Speaker 11: Lets the prosecutor's office run the way it's going to run.
Speaker 11: Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there it is, and
Speaker 11: we can move forward to the city because the reality
Speaker 11: is this brawl is a black guy in the city.
Speaker 11: It's something that we need to find a way to
Speaker 11: move on from and move the past. Because at the
Speaker 11: start of this year, Scout, we were talking about sun Dance,
Speaker 11: an international film festival, moving to the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 11: and we're gonna end the year talking about this horrible
Speaker 11: brawl that happened back in July. Because we haven't been
Speaker 11: able to just put it to bed and put everything
Speaker 11: out there and say here it is and let's move forward.
Speaker 11: We as a city need to get back to why
Speaker 11: Cincinnati was on, why we were so excited about our future,
Speaker 11: why people were moving here, why we want people come
Speaker 11: into our downtown. And we cannot reclaim that and remind
Speaker 11: people what's so important about this city when we are
Speaker 11: continually not getting information and all these rumors and speculations
Speaker 11: is just running rampant.
Speaker 5: Just does council need more power?
Speaker 1: What probably we have of the well power press obviously
Speaker 1: the county, but what about the time release of public
Speaker 1: records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially in
Speaker 1: a high profile case like this, It effects of public trust?
Speaker 5: Does what kind of party you have as a council person, Well, you.
Speaker 11: Know, the charter puts us on a really weird situation
Speaker 11: where the council can request things from the city administration
Speaker 11: if you get a majority vote. The city administration, you know,
Speaker 11: is only really forced to do something if it's a law.
Speaker 11: So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the
Speaker 11: municipal code, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore. I
Speaker 11: mean that that was the design of our charter back
Speaker 11: in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's a
Speaker 11: fair question that needs to be asked. You know, a
Speaker 11: lot of people blame the mayor for things, but he's
Speaker 11: also very limited in what his scope of powers. You know,
Speaker 11: we have built a very strong administration from the city
Speaker 11: perspective and I am all for professionals running the city.
Speaker 11: You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians. But
Speaker 11: at the same time, there needs to be accountability and
Speaker 11: recognition that you are you are working with the public,
Speaker 11: and the public deserves information and answers. And when things
Speaker 11: are happening like to happen this summer, like the happines weekend,
Speaker 11: come out and talk about it. And it's okay to
Speaker 11: admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's
Speaker 11: not the worst thing in the world. We learn and
Speaker 11: we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure
Speaker 11: hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information
Speaker 11: because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's
Speaker 11: insane to me, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that information is going to come out
Speaker 1: on this day and age. You just simply can't quash it,
Speaker 1: you know that at some point. And I'm surprised it
Speaker 1: took this long quite honestly, and obviously at the time
Speaker 1: and with the election very important.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and
Speaker 11: I hope that those involved are learning that we need
Speaker 11: to be proactive in our communication. This week is not
Speaker 11: giving me a lot of confidence on that right now.
Speaker 11: But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott.
Speaker 11: And again that's the way we just on our system,
Speaker 11: right the administration is fised out with any member of
Speaker 11: council or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening,
Speaker 11: because you know, it seems like things are tied to
Speaker 11: the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do
Speaker 11: your job come out, have these communications, get involved when
Speaker 11: we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public,
Speaker 11: make these things the priorities, and make people confident that
Speaker 11: that is our priority. And right now I think we're
Speaker 11: having to price in the confidence mostly because we are
Speaker 11: not communicating about what is going on and we're not
Speaker 11: being aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These
Speaker 11: are not these are not new problems. These problems have
Speaker 11: existed for hundreds of years and a lot of great
Speaker 11: leaders to figure out ways to solve them. Why are
Speaker 11: we struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration
Speaker 11: to step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired
Speaker 11: of having these conversations Scott, where we keep saying, like
Speaker 11: what happened, the city needs to step up. They knew
Speaker 11: the problem that was going on with Privy this week.
Speaker 11: I mean, no problems happening with other bars around the city,
Speaker 11: but that are related to quality of life. Step up,
Speaker 11: get aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community,
Speaker 11: and make sure that we start solving these problems now
Speaker 11: before we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: That simple.
Speaker 1: Why are you one of maybe two council members that
Speaker 1: are speaking up? There's nine of you seeking re election.
Speaker 1: The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this.
Speaker 1: Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you,
Speaker 1: as a council got together and said, listen, this is
Speaker 1: going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city
Speaker 1: what we're working for. You guys control the purse strings.
Speaker 1: That's how it set up with the city charters. You
Speaker 1: control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that
Speaker 1: means you have a huge say in how we police
Speaker 1: and what our policies should be.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. What I can
Speaker 11: say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing
Speaker 11: that I am saying today. Have I not said behind
Speaker 11: closed doors and you haven't heard it? Because I actually
Speaker 11: would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather
Speaker 11: we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of
Speaker 11: any good city or elected government is for you to
Speaker 11: never be complaining about an issue and not realize that
Speaker 11: you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we
Speaker 11: want to sell things behind closed doors as much as possible.
Speaker 11: I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get
Speaker 11: to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people
Speaker 11: need to know that this was not a conversation that
Speaker 11: just happened. This has been happening for six months, and
Speaker 11: what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the
Speaker 11: city did not act enough on it. I don't know
Speaker 11: why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know,
Speaker 11: more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think
Speaker 11: it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and
Speaker 11: I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I
Speaker 11: would like us as a city to get back to
Speaker 11: the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I
Speaker 11: would like to be back to your point that you
Speaker 11: guys don't know or care who the mayor or the
Speaker 11: city council is when we are just a well working
Speaker 11: machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance.
Speaker 4: We're not there right now.
Speaker 11: Right now, we need accountability and we need to be
Speaker 11: holding out and being the aggressive on it in my opinion,
Speaker 11: and that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: I'm one of nine.
Speaker 11: That's the way the system has been set up. You know,
Speaker 11: those listening at home, you know there is an election tomorrow,
Speaker 11: and you know, I think my colleagues on the City
Speaker 11: Council are doing a really great job, even if they're
Speaker 11: not necessarily vocal, they are doing things behind the scenes
Speaker 11: to make sure things are moving. And I think it's
Speaker 11: important that you, you know, reward and vote for those
Speaker 11: who ultimately, you know, align with your values. And you know,
Speaker 11: in my case, if you think speaking out is important,
Speaker 11: you know, it's important for me that you show up
Speaker 11: to speak out and bout box the mow. But if not,
Speaker 11: you're going to continue to get more of the same. Yeah,
Speaker 11: That's that's what it boils down to you. So I
Speaker 11: think it's a personal choice by the voters and they
Speaker 11: may not luck me them all Scott. People may hate
Speaker 11: hearing you talk. So you and I can speculate all
Speaker 11: day long, but we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, the snowplow thing you're instrumental
Speaker 1: in getting calling attention to that we talk about crime
Speaker 1: now in this and calling out the lack of transparency.
Speaker 1: I love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like
Speaker 1: seven or six or seven more folks like you on
Speaker 1: council willing to actually speak out against the mayor and
Speaker 1: the administration. But when you don't, then you just encourage
Speaker 1: more of that, and sadly it may cost someone their seat.
Speaker 1: As you said, I think I have to have safe
Speaker 1: for sure, but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point
Speaker 1: if this could be worse, Seth, you could be in
Speaker 1: charge of fixing the Bengals. So this is seemingly a
Speaker 1: much much more adressable problem. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy,
Speaker 1: all the best and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Hope you get your seatback. I appreciate it, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Good luck tomorrow.
Speaker 1: By the way, Seth, what does that say about city
Speaker 1: leadership when even the council people are in the dark
Speaker 1: of what's happening, guns laying and bushes are laying the
Speaker 1: grass across from a shooting hours later.
Speaker 5: It's just intolerable. The videos on my social fate at
Speaker 5: Scott's Sloan.
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