WEBVTT - 11-3-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.519 Do want to be an American's pony here on seven 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:08.320 hundred WIW Absolutely incredible weekend here in the city, and 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.000 it ain't good. We've got the huge Bengals loss to 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.400 chop up James Rapine in about a half hour. Normally's 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.479 on like eleven thirty five. He's going to be on 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.759 earlier this morning, because you know, you'd anticipate with the loss, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.480 this historic, this bad and back to back weeks, heads 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.840 would roll. Of course, this is Cincinnati. You could be really, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.960 really bad and still have years and years and years 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:29.760 of grace. That's how we do things. But we also 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.720 have more troubling news than that, because it's literally life 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.480 and death and another bad and bloody weekend in the city. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.480 On Friday, video of the July brawl leaked out, confirming 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.800 what Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, said in quarter a while 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.640 back when arraignments were being made that the victim of 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.440 this case, el Chinowski, he was attacked. He was the victim, 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.640 showed him attack from behind, and the one man arrested 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.200 prior to him slapping someone. So we now have the 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.800 evidence leaking out days before the election, and tomorrow being 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.640 election day, Saturday, four people shout out set a nightclub 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.080 in Otr at one o'clock in the morning, and then 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.600 about a half hour later, multiple people shot at Carthage 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.040 Carthage at sixty ninth and Vine. I believe three shot 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.880 and another killed. Seven people shot, one dead this weekend 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.880 at Cincinnati, and voters will head to the polls tomorrow 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.800 to decide what kind of leadership, if any, they want 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.959 one of the people seeking your voter's council member, hopefully 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.920 a lot. Chris Smithman on the show on seven hundred 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.080 WW has been very vocal about this, and Chris, this 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.920 has been a horrible weekend in what feels like a steady, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.679 ongoing drumbeat of horrible news in our town here in Cincinnati. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:40.400 Welcome, Hey, Thanks Sloanly. It was a tough weekend, and 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.080 I think you're right. We've had a lot of tough weekends. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.840 And the problem has been from my perspective, is that 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.320 this council collectively and the mayor and the administration have 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.720 just taken their eye off the ball. And this is 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.080 what happens when you say you want to defund the 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.880 police or you want to reimagine them, and when you 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:06.720 allow attrition to have us two hundred officers down and 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.120 expect our cops to do their job when you're telling them, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.120 don't do proactive policing. And it's not like Sloan, you 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.840 and I don't agree with community based policing. I mean 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.840 it all comes back to training, training, training. We have 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.600 the best training in the state of Ohio. I mean, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.200 Columbus will say they have a great training. We have 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:27.639 a great training here. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:28.720 For our cops. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.880 But we got to let our cops do their job 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.200 and we've got to back them up Sloan when they 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.600 do it. And we know that there's a racial undertone 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.960 to this conversation that we've got to be willing to have. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.320 And so we know that when our white young officers 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.000 approach a young African American male in the Dora or 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.320 on the bank and they're thirteen or fifteen years old, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.200 it's two o'clock in the morning, why aren't our officers 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.160 given the power to ask that young person, why are 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.480 you breaking? Kurve you and what are you doing? And 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.200 we know that if they have a firearm, that it's 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.000 like oil and water. Now you've got a cop in 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.799 a situation with a young African American with a gun 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.680 that might end up in a tragic situation. Whether we 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.959 have the elected to turn their back on that cop. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.760 That then scares all police officers to go, wow, I 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.400 don't want my life destroyed. And I'm going to end 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.639 by saying on this little piece with you, soan, we 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.000 saw it happen. We had a young African American male 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:36.080 in a stolen car running with a firearm that tragically right, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.360 my condolences to the family, my but the but the 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.280 officer made the right decision. And we have a young 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.920 person who lost his lost his life. The next day, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:52.200 the father takes his car and kills the sheriff who's there, 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:56.040 you know, doing traffic, who's retired, has has children that 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.720 he's adopting. Right during the UC graduation. What have slowly 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.920 you heard nothing from the nine members of council. You 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.960 heard no denouncement of it. You didn't hear anything from 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.200 the mayor, no denouncement of it. And then we've got 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.720 to go fund me account for the killer, saying let's 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.760 give him money, and then people saying I for an 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.440 eye and tooth for tooth with no no response from 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:22.720 the nothing. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.440 No one's talking about that, and then on Friday, Chris 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.360 Chris Smitheman, the footage leaked out. Finally, it's been three 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.000 months since the July brawl. Uh, the surveillance just comes 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.279 out at basketball kick geyn and said, you clearly see 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.200 there's a blackmail striking the white guy in the back 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.240 of the head. And of course the viral moment was 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.680 picked up when he turned and started slapping some one 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.760 four or ten retaliation. We heard that they were harassed. 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:50.200 Racial epitats were thrown at them. It was intolerable the racism. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.279 But it only goes one way in Cincinnati, and that 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.480 can only be that blacks are the victim of racism. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.800 There's no comments whatsoever. They've sat on this thing. Finally 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.800 it leaks out a couple days before the election, and 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.359 that to politics, I suppose, But the fact of the matter, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.360 it wasn't released through the proper public records requests, and 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.360 when you have something like this, it's going to leak out. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.440 The days of sitting on something are gone. I'm surprised 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.680 it's taken this long. The issue here, though, is what 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.279 is the city's policy regarding public safety, the footage and 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.240 transparency with taxpayers, because you feel there is none unless 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.440 it fits a particular preconceived narrative. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.200 You and I know that if the roles were reversed 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.440 and there were five African Americans being beat in the 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.440 middle of our downtown, there would have been a different 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.919 response naturally based on what happened, and people wouldn't be 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.440 sitting around in this council and this mayor would have 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.920 had a completely different response. That's number one. Number two, 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.000 we also know that the mayor and the members of 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.440 council should have requested to take If I was the 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.160 vice mayor, I served, I was chair of law in 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.800 public safety, all you have to do is go to 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.560 that investigator, and the investigators were signally listen, we shouldn't 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.279 press charges, which is a part of this conversation because 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.279 you have members of council hold press conferences and say what, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.560 I got one in the chamber. You got forty eight 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.320 hours to respond, and you better arrest somebody white. Well, 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.800 guess what, there's a captain out there who signed off 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.599 on something. They arrested somebody white. That person now has 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.040 a lawyer. You know that the charges are going to 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.080 be dropped in December after the election, and you know 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.159 that that person's gonna sue because you've called him a 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.160 racist and you've tried to destroy his life. But guess 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.120 what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:42.239 to get the men she saw on council and Holly 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.039 who somebody. You know. When I saw the video flown, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.920 I thought she was dead. There's no question the way 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:48.280 she was. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.160 Touched so widely. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:54.480 My point to you and everybody listening, Look, this shows 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.360 you that we could have had some type of racial 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.960 explosion in our downtown based on the conduct of the 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.080 nine members of council and the mayor. Here's what I 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.839 think happened. I think that they saw the video, they 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.480 knew what was happening, and they were pushing to the speculation. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.320 They're pushing the election, trying to divide us racially, so 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.560 they wanted the energy in the African American community, the 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.600 Democrats to go take simple ballots, believing that they were harmed, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.360 that they were victims in some kind of way, and 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.120 the reality was that the people who are the real 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.040 victims are the white citizens who were down there who 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.200 got the hell beat out of them for nothing. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.480 Christopher smitheman who's running, We'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow night, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.880 if Indian he winds up getting a council seat. We 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.360 were all outrage at what transpared to what happened to 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.320 Lincoln Heights relative to the neo Nazis who were protesting 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:52.280 on the overpass, how the situation was handled, the audacity 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.160 and the thoughts of the people who are doing the 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.760 protesting the Nazis, we collected, we're all outraged about this, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.800 and yet we should be the outrage about this to 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.040 the same level, to the same degree because of what happened. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.280 Racism shouldn't be tolerated. But sadly there's an asterisk there. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.559 It feels like it's tolerated when it's a block on white, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.280 but not so much when it's white on black. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.760 SONI I think we should be more outraged. I think 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.320 it's worse, and I'll explain why I think it's worse. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.320 First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.760 You know, my family is from the South. My grandfathers 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.560 understood the clan. They were dicticrat, they were democrat and 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.240 they were down there trying to stop African Americans from 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.800 voting in the South. And thank god we had the 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.760 North of the South and lost hundreds of thousands of 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.000 our Americans who fought in one of the bloodiest civil 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.600 wars ever in our history, and that ultimately freed us 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.320 through the President Lincoln and all that history. But at 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.480 the end of the day, we had the mayor, we 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.840 had the members of council, we had the city manager, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.880 we had the city solicitors. Off is all complicit in 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.800 hiding this video that came from three CDC. That's very 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.400 different than the average citizen walking around who's acting like 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.080 a fool saying they're a skin head and going out 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.960 and engaging in domestic terrorism. And I denounced it, and 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.160 I think it's horrible, but we can't look around that. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.920 We had a mayor and members of council who had 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.960 to have known that the entirety of that video existed, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.920 with the cameras right there looking at it, to say, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.960 let's bring the video in and see what happened. Clearly, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.480 there was an African American man who punched that man 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.720 in the back of his head. And most people slowly 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.960 who are listening to you and I talk right now, 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.840 they haven't even seen the video because CNN and places 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.120 like Fox and all those they haven't gone back and 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.320 taken the video and said, who, let's correct the record. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.199 This is actually what happened, and that is why this 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.280 young this person who was beat up who now the 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.600 city councilor and the city solicitor said hey, go and 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.719 arrest him. And I actually believe this is one of 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.760 the re that Fiji is being terminated because she wasn't 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.120 playing with his manager and playing with this mayor. Remember 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.160 she refused to sign off on the arrest warrant. The 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.240 captain who is now the chief signed off on it. Yes, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.080 I have no idea where this is going to go, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.560 but the reality of it is something happened that should 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.680 not have happened. We start playing politics with the law, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.800 and the mayor and council are absolutely complicit in this. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.160 And it goes deeper than that. And this is kind 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.280 of a little of a side that Kevin Farmer. This 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.880 is a guy got arrested over the weekend and Rosemary 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.040 Oglesby Henry is a congressional candidate, both black Kevin and 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:36.679 I don't know what their relationship was, but he was 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.959 stalking or going to anyway. This is a while ago. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.240 To illustrate what you're saying, is, and he's campaigning he 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.720 wants to run or was running anyway for the same 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.760 seat that you want. Christopher Smitherman, and he accused, and 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.880 this is about a month ago, made no news whatsoever, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.080 accused black women of routinely making false allegations of violence 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.360 against black man, saying we have to worry about white 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.600 America and we have to worry about black women. I 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.959 saw the comment. The naac responded and defended black women. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.960 Not a word was said about the the the avert racism, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.440 the direct racism, the part of a council candidate saying 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.640 we've got to worry about white people. White people are 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.240 the problem, white people are the danger. No one called 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.760 them out on that. The NAACP didn't, and certainly the 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.440 reverence like Damon Lynch the third kind of backed up 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.480 with the NAACP head it's wait a minute, you can 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.640 you can go after and classify white people as the 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.760 enemy is evil and that's why you've got to vote 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.040 for me, because we've got to destroy white America from 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.800 the city of Cincinnati, and no one said anything about this, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.320 didn't even make news. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.280 Look, my father used to say to us at home, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.959 every white person isn't your enemy, and every black person 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.360 is at your friend. Correct, And so we're so we're 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:51.959 so bathing in the in this racial component in our society. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.080 And I believe that you and I and we've got 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.600 to have these public conversations to show that we can 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.880 have these conversations and be close friends. That's part of 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.120 the problem. Number two. I send my my prayers out 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.880 to Kevin Farmer and and and and his significant other 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.800 or his friend, whatever's going on. I have no idea 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.800 of the fact pattern there, but I send my defense, 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.880 my respect and and I hope that this whole thing 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.920 is sorted out. But at the end of the day, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.800 this is very different. When you have a city manager 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.680 who's probably making over three hundred thousand dollars a year. 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.720 You've got a mayor right who clearly wants to be 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.080 the governor or something else, disinterested in our city making 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.679 six figures. You've got a council collectively that all of 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.680 them had access to this video, all of them did, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.520 and what did they do with it? They came and 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.160 held press conferences and said, hey, we're gonna do nothing. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.400 And let me also before we before I get too 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.600 far away from this, I don't want to. I don't 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.240 want to miss that. We had Cassandra win, a mother 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.240 of five in OTR, who was shot in the back, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.320 and we still don't know who killed her. And so 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.160 Ronda Wynn, who I have had communications with the mother, 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:13.040 is very she's grieving because we do not have the killer. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.800 We have a picture of somebody who shot as she 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:20.439 tells me thirty times, right where where are the African 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:25.880 American leaders calling and working with us to find who 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.280 killed Cassandra Wynn? We are silent on these issues. We've 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:31.719 got to put a voice to him. And then I 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.200 want to say for Sarah Herringer and her husband Patrick, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.760 who would ever believe that we would have somebody who 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.200 had some type of electronic device on their ankle who 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.640 took it off. Sloane who's walking around our city. No 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.080 one seems to know where the hell he is. He 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.640 shows up on Sarah's front door, on Patrick's door, and 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.680 kills Patrick. This is a guy who did two tours 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.320 and guess what our mayor, during a debate or during 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.840 that press conference, was asked, have you reached out to 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.960 these victims? I don't have time to do that. I 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.880 don't do that. I don't reach out to the victims. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.400 I'm saying to everybody listening. And I said this before. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.040 I went to the School for Creative and Performing Arts 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.840 and one of the plays we did with the wig, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.880 let me tell you something. This guy reminds me of 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.480 the Scarecrow without a brain. He reminds me of the 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.760 Lion without courage. He reminds me of the ten Man 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.120 without a Heart. All the trilogy all together, and he 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.520 is actually the Wizard of Awe. He's out there playing 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.720 like he knows what he's doing, and he doesn't. And 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.200 the problem is we're dealing with people's lives slowly. This 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.120 is one of the most consequential elections in my life. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.880 I bring this all together, the thing with Farmer and this, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.080 and the fact of the matter is just like racism 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.920 only works one and that's not true. I don't think 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.440 that's bringing the city together. I think that's it's petty 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.240 and it's vindictive. It's the visive and you're not elevating people. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:53.720 You see it. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.160 You have your worldview, you're not changing your mind. On 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:58.960 the other hand, we had the shooting over the weekend 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.800 with seven people shot in two different shooting. Well, I 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.360 guess three if you count to Carthage in two different spots, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.960 but the one and over the line in particular, it's Halloween. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.680 People are out reveling, having a good time partying, and 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.960 then gunshots ring out about one o'clock in the morning. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.680 I'm told that there have been multiple calls to this bar. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.840 This particular bar has been a problem for months now. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.480 And again we're back to that issue where the governor 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.320 is going to send in some help with liquor control 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.080 and all that and shut out the bad actors. We 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.320 talked about hookah lounges and stuff like that. We got 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.440 these clubs that are open till, you know, three four 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.080 o'clock in the morning, doing what you want to do. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.960 But the food trucks, of course, are the problem. I 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.960 got to shut those down because someone getting a hot 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.960 dog is the criminal, not the people are who are 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.200 selling after hours. But I don't know if that's the 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.080 case with this bar and over the Rhine, but I'm 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.360 told that there have been multiple service calls and multiple 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.800 concerns about the people that were in and around this 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.840 particular establishment. If you turn a blind eye towards that, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.360 and let's just say that the owners of this club, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.160 the privy that I understand they had a couple of 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.720 armed security guards. They were wanding people when they came in, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.520 make sure they have anything on them. I don't know 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.160 how much more as a business owner you can do. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.360 But what about the fact that you have multiple calls 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.400 of service there and it's been a problem, and yet 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.720 you could kind of see that this something like this 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.200 might happen. This is preventable if the city would have 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.400 been stricter and tougher and enforcement and policing correct. 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.600 That would be correct. And what I will say to 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.880 you is that I don't know the fact patterns behind 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.840 this particular establishment, but if elected, I certainly would find 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.280 out what those fact patterns are. And the way you 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.200 do this is you go through Law and public safety. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.240 We have a Chair of Law and Public Safety, which 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.440 is council member Scottie Johnson, and you have a hearing 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.600 where you bring the owners in of the establishment and 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.640 you begin to ask them questions, and you make sure 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.920 that the police department in this establishment has some type 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.680 of plan in writing to deal with the issue, and 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.000 if it's not dealt with, then you deal with the establishment. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.120 So I don't know why there hasn't been a public 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.200 hearing about it, right. For example, I don't know why 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.440 there hasn't been a public hearing about the term of 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.520 the fire chief or or public hearing about the determination 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.000 of the police chief. Meaning these things are happening, and 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.800 you can't find a council member with a search warrant. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.520 I don't know if they come and give you interviews, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.960 but I want you to share with you. Normal protocol 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.800 in these situations is for your elected officials to come 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.760 on the air like this and have public conversations. That's 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.760 what we do. And for whatever reason, this council is 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.040 hiding behind a sample ballot. They're just wanting people to 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.840 vote for them, lyingly, vote here's the sample ballot. And 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:40.919 if we do that tomorrow, elections have consequences. That's what 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.960 we will get. The same. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.160 Probably, I think there's gonna be counsel people that pay 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.359 the price. And again Chris simath them and wants your 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.960 vote tomorrow, always saying a mouthful. But you know you 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.879 need somebody in there, quite honestly to interpret that to 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.399 enforce Yeah, you got you have no choice at this point. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.720 All the best I gotta get going. Good luck tomorrow, Chris, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.880 All the best, to you, all right, take care. Yeah, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.159 there you go, So vote your conscience. But you know, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.600 if you want more of the same, keep doing more 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.760 the same. We got to get to news. We've got 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.959 other bad news for you. How about the Bengals. Rappeaan 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:12.720 is here a little bit earlier this morning to talk 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.760 about the historic loss and the question who is going 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.679 to have their head placed on a stick this morning? 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.720 Someone has to be sacrificed on the altar of professional sports. Well, 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.159 the Bengals, pull the trigger and fire someone, make someone accountable. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.240 We'll talked to him next about it on the Scott's 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.960 Loan Show seven hundred Wow. Dark days indeed in our city. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.640 At Scott's Sloan Show seven hundred Wow. Wish we had 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.720 better news to start this gloomy time change Monday for you. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.480 But you know, we had seven people shot in two 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.760 different occurrences yesterday one at OTR. Lots to talk about 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.440 that with Chris Smitheman and council member Seth Walsh coming 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.480 up on the show this morning. Of course, the other 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.080 news happening is our Cincinnati Bengals, which is a lot 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.879 lighter than bloodshed, violence and murder, but still it's pretty 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:57.800 bloody in a different way on the field. Yesterday is 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.880 the Bears beat the Bengals forty seven forty two as 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.920 the Bengals head the limping to the bye of three 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.720 and six now and you can almost kiss those playoff 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.560 chances goodbye. Cincinnati's worst rank defense did it again. You 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.200 didn't think they could do it back to back weeks. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.720 I can tell you that it's pretty damn impressive to 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.040 watch them fail. They come up with new ways to fail. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.960 As you know, Cincinnati is in the cellar now and 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.120 look it up and it's not good. James Rapeene here 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.320 with SI Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Podcast. James, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.360 how do you top the worst loss of the Zach 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.159 Taylor era with an even more historic loss yesterday? I 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:33.280 didn't think that was possible. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.360 Yeah, I h you're right. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.439 I agree, Scott, And honestly I thought after what happened 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.119 last week that when they were rallying, I literally thought, oh, well, 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.320 this is the football guys paying them back, saying you 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.640 know what, you guys should have won last week, you didn't. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.760 We're gonna make sure you win this week. You get 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.080 an on side kick after scoring his knees down on 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.840 the interception that would have put them up three scores. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.960 Like all these things happened in the final few minutes 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:04.560 of this game. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.280 It gives the Bengals a chance, and. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.800 They take advantage of it and they take the lead. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.720 It's just there happened to be forty nine seconds left, 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.080 and we know that that's far too much time for 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.920 this Bengals defense that I really I'm not sure that 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.280 you could tackle anyone listening right, Yeah, Yeah, it's embarrassing 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:21.919 how bad it was. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.040 I have never seen like, literally, you screwed up a 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.320 story book and it's not in the script, and it's 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.879 no Hollywood script, which are that you you score a touchdown, uh, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.920 you get the you recover the ball kicking on side, 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.240 you recover, you go ahead, and the final two minutes 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.600 of the game, and right there, that should be it. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.679 That's that's how it always ends. If you recover and score, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:40.320 it's over. 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:40.760 You win. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.919 There's no way you lose that game. You screwed up 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.239 the fairy tale ending, and yet the Bengals did that 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.440 by a long Kala Williams to hit Colston Lovelin on 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.080 the fifty year fifty air touchdown with two guys at 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.680 least two guys missing tackles. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:21:00.240 Yeah, just tackle tackle. The funny thing is is my 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.120 podcast after the game, I was talking about different things, 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:04.520 and I'm. 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:05.480 Like, you know what's funny. 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.320 No one's talking about them actually giving up a twenty 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.160 three yards to the rookie tight end. It's that they 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.359 didn't bring him down after they gave up the play. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.520 Like the bar is so low. We're not even talking 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.600 about the fact that you gave up the pass that 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.919 put them in field goal range. It's just all right, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.440 if you're going to give that up, can you bring 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:27.160 him down? And I truly don't understand. And since the game, 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.560 I've reached out to some coaches in different personnel just 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:35.760 to see, like, all right, hey, coaching, why it's supposed 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:37.119 to do here? What are you supposed to do with this? 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.000 And I know the Bengals do work tackle and at 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.800 some point the players just have to tackle, you know. 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.200 It's like it's like a receiver has to catch the ball, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.359 like you can do so much. And I think that's 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.320 kind of where things are now. I'm stunned that that 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.679 they continue to have this issue at the level that 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.760 they're having this issue I get it once in a 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.560 while really good players, but game on the line, chance 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.159 for a storybook ending that should have been close to 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.639 level and getting hit by five guys and people ripping 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:10.800 at the ball and him going down the moment he 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:11.320 catches it. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.239 That Like I said, we joked last week about them 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.439 throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey, 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.600 not football. As they came into game, the Bengals did 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.480 ninety four misstackles six hundred and forty five yards total 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.040 in the league, which is by farther wors than league yesterday, 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.520 missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three, So they're 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.680 at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards and allow 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.840 and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact. It 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.520 hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked about you, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.199 that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that by this 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:41.840 level you should be able to tackle, and you're not 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.639 doing it in my opinion. So the million dollar question 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.199 is in the other thirty one franchises out there, this 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.320 would be terminal for a head coach or at least someone. 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.640 The reason I'm having James repeat on a little early 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.479 this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we've head 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.920 in a lunchtime are it feels like it's hit critical 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:01.200 mass at this point two back to back historically losses, you've. 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:01.520 Got the buy. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.320 I imagine I'll lose in the off week somehow, I'm 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.600 not quite sure. When Zach Taylor is running out of words, 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.440 he says, it's sick to lose like that. I feel 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.879 sick right now. That means you have no answers, heads 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.560 have to roll. You were in the locker room afterwards 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.800 after the loss. How does that compare to last week's collapse? 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.960 Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point. 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.840 Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.840 we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.160 put up our videos and our audio on Cincinnati Bengals, 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.840 talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:36.280 a lot. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:37.240 Of offensive guys. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.960 And look, you're right, I mean, it's it does feel 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.400 that way that that a move is possible. You're also 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.080 right that it's an issue, but there's no doubt. 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.200 Someone has to lose their job here. I mean there's 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.680 no room for debate. Is that when you have guys 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.760 this is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.760 guys who were in on that player in the defense 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.000 were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.679 after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.800 there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.320 and Chase and and you know they're frustrated, they're angry, 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.080 they're they're bad mouthing the defense. 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.080 Now it's on. Rabbit's got to be on the reason. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:17.520 I asked you about the locker room, and it feels 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.520 like from the reports it's been unraveling for a while. 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.679 Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.679 have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar, 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:36.280 Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know, 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:39.280 I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yards yesterday. 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.439 I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.359 you look up and he's got got under guard. The 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.120 Jings obviously made a bunch of plays and we talked 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.359 to Jamar after and he's saying like three and four 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.960 words and it's like we're torturing him, and I don't 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.760 want to torture Jamar after the game. That's not my goal. 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.320 But guess what, he's a leader and people care what 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.600 he says. People want to know what he's says. And 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.200 you know what he thinks. He thinks that the defense 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.439 sucks and that they need to do their job a 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.960 little bit. And he hasn't said that, but I know 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:14.240 that's what he's thinking, and he was. He was caught 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.240 on camera when he was walking in the locker room saying, 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.840 just one bleeping stop, right, and that's what everybody's thinking. 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:25.760 Chase Brown said, We'll just finish the game. And it 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.840 is that simple like and sometimes those things are a 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.040 simple thing can be hard to carry out and execute 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.080 and much more easier said than done. But they have 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:42.719 to find a way in those situations to get that 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:43.359 turnover and. 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:44.040 Get that stock. 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.520 I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.240 Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.240 play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards. 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.960 So it's this locker room. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.280 It felt like it was starting to bend before the 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:00.320 Joe Blackum trade. 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.520 Yeah, because things. 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.720 Are just spial spiraling out of control almost in the 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.040 other way, where the offense was just so non functional, 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.080 they trade for Joe Flacco and it's completely flipped the 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.040 other way, where the defense has showed us who they are, 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.320 the offense has figured it out and who the defense 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.480 is very well could be the worst defense in NFL history. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.560 That is not me being not me exaggerating. When you 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.159 look at the numbers, they're they're very much in that conversation. 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.160 James Rapine from SI Bengals talk dot com, lockdown begels 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.360 and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.399 in any other NFL city, and that is what is 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.040 going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh, 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.040 maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.760 for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.600 guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.119 how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively, 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.680 because you've got two guys, two minds working on that. 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.960 If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.280 play your position. That feels more like a front office 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.640 issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.680 never accountable. I don't think the average person myself included, 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.320 could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.800 you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zack Talor 0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.679 has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.680 fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:13.720 honestly for the fan base. 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.280 Totally agree, Totally agree. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.960 But believe me, I would love love to hear from 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:24.640 Duke always and uh that that is not something that 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.680 we would ever turn down as media. I promise you, no, no, 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.080 I promise you we would love to hear from Duke today. 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.919 GM are accountable, they show up, they answer questions, they 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.200 do things public compair. This guy, uh, you know, talk 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.159 about the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.760 it feels like he's protected like a mafia don or 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:42.399 something like that. 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.200 He's surrounded by goons. 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.840 Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle, you 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:49.199 give him. 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:50.800 You get those guys on the field. 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.200 That's what It's horrific. It is horrific down there. 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.160 And I you know the other part of the frustration 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.199 is Bengal season ticket windows open it up and you know, 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:00.280 we've got news neck here. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:01.960 The ticket prices are going up. I know a lot 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:02.240 of people. 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:03.760 And if you look at social I don't know how 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.240 accurate that is or not, could be Russian bots. But 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.160 if you look at the investment you're asked to make 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.439 and spend more money on a team this bad? 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:10.879 How's that? 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.800 And that is really the only thing that's going to 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.560 cause heads to roll, right is typically the family looks 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.760 at the bottom line, and if people are unhappy and 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.480 there's a revolt, as we saw with Marvin Lewis, it 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.800 might cause Zach Taylor's job, but it probably shouldn't be him. 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:26.680 It should be Duke Tobin. 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.919 I I agree with you on the surface, right I 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.320 you know I'm not, But there's so much context that 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.760 goes into our should this guyby fire? Should this guy 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.400 or that? Or what should you do? How should you 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720 pick that? Here's what I would say. They failed at 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:49.320 building this defense top So who had a hand in what? 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.760 Who was the one stopping on the table for who 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.120 during the draft when they made draft picks that I 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.320 got to be honest when you look at who they 0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.200 could have had in like consensus and rankings and just 0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.360 like the general draft stuff and I love the draft, 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.360 they went down a path that was as risky. 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.280 As any that you could have, and they went. 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.520 Down a path with guys that probably weren't considered plug 0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.640 and play type players really throughout the draft, even if 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.200 they are good dudes and work hard and all of 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.760 those things and so very very much risk. They're taking 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.360 a lot of risk with that. And when you combine 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.080 that with a poor free agency, all right, well, why 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.360 were they for free agent? Is it Duke's faulted that 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.960 the ownership's faulted it the coach is saying they didn't 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.400 like the free agent. I don't know, And so that's 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:38.760 why I'm not just saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.760 to pat for him. 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:41.880 I'm just trying to get content. 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.760 I don't know who made these decisions, but whoever did 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.520 and who ever said no when I'm sure someone in 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.600 the building was like me and like, hey, can you 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.360 add talent? Can you go get this guy or that 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.960 guy or this guy or that whoever that is certainly 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.520 deserves to be hardnoticed because that's why they're in this position. 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:01.640 I mean, they should be Scott five and four, winners 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.920 of three straight, three and one with Joe Flacco, second 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.960 place in the AFC, work with a real chance to 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.080 battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place in 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.080 the division. That's where they should be and they're not there. 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.280 And so they really need to look hard in the 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.360 mirror and figure out why they failed for multiple years 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:21.280 building the defense. 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.400 But certainly this offseason going into this year, if. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.840 You're asking people to buy the product and that is 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.440 on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two, that's 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.400 all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well, 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.640 you know, we saw the ACTIVI the offense is doing fine, 0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:37.920 it's the defense. It's sprint a problem. You're in your 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.640 second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At what point 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.160 is it fair to question those people who are bringing 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.280 the talent to Cincinnati, And that would be Tooke Tobin 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.040 and people in that front office. If you're asking people 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.320 to support this team and continue to turn out to 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:54.560 support the Bengals, is it not fair that there's some 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.840 accountability and some questions answered on the part of the 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.760 people who have been silent for years. 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.960 Yeah, it's not a big it's not a big ask. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.760 Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft. Like 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.680 I said, I think I follow the draft and try 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.480 to fuck it and cover the draft in a way 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.680 that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati and that covers 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.840 the Bengals, and do it as extensively as I can. 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:24.160 And they have been so bad at drafting compared to 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:25.600 what they could have had. 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:27.880 And a lot of it isn't kindsight. 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.640 Like I've said, fans are smarter than ever. Media members 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.120 can be smarter than ever when it comes to the 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.600 draft because there's so much info and there is so 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.920 much info you can get, and so by draft Day, 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.240 I feel like I know the first three rounds like 0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.640 the back of my hand. And for them to end 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.480 up with what they had and they ended up with 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.480 versus what they could have had just this year, I 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:50.720 mean this is a multi year problem, but just this year, 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.320 I mean they've invested so many picks. Three of their 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.640 first of their last four first rounders, Scott have been 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:03.400 defensive players, two pass ushers, a safety, and now corner like. 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.160 They've invested two second round picks in corners. They invested 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.480 two picks this year in mine back like they've invested 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.240 in the defense, and they're either poor picks they can't 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.920 develop them, or a mixture of both. And firing lou 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.520 clearly didn't. 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.760 Worse arguably, I mean it's, uh, you know, a loss 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.680 is still a loss. And I look at this, I 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.880 think many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.720 up in apathy, going, we're this close to the super 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.719 bowling a couple of years ago and now this something's 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.600 got to change. And quite obviously, going to the bye week, 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.920 I think the silence down there by not doing it, 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:39.120 doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I mean, 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.920 the players go their separate ways for the bye week 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.080 for a little while. Anyway, doesn't that just bring more 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.000 animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it worse 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.800 because you're going to steal on that during the time 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:47.440 off you had. 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.000 Sure, Well, you know, if you're an offensive player, you're 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.000 going to see your family during the bye You're probably 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.480 going to go home or your hometown and guess what 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.360 your your buddy, that the hole in the wall bar man, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.920 that defense, Oh my god, I don't. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.120 In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:10.960 that's a tough one. Huh. 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.240 You know, it's gonna be therapeutic. 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.200 You're going to come back and be pissed more pissed off, 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.560 probably because you're in your own head about it real quick, James. 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.160 The odds that something happens today, never say never, But 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.240 are we going to see something? There's got to be 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.520 some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:27.160 the fan baser. 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:33.240 The thing is is they don't react that way. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.280 And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.880 A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion, 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.760 and usually I think that they they get it wrong. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.239 I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.680 Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:48.960 out there and make Jordan. 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.320 Battle right right, all right? 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:55.760 For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen. 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.000 I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I don't. 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.800 I still don't know what that does it other than 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.160 make a move to make a move. But one that's 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.560 interesting is to do and if they look at it 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.760 and they say, man, we really don't have the talent. 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.120 And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:12.520 that would happen at the end of the year. I 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.120 think any of these moves would happen at the end 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.080 of the year, Sara En. I want to dismiss any 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.800 of them, but I'm not. Anything's going to happen today, 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.239 which means that it'll happen probably five minutes after I 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:22.600 get all right. 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.239 James, all the best, buddy, I know we got to 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.279 get going around a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Dan. 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:28.880 Well if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.200 with Bengals Talks, Bengals Talk dot Com of course locked 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:33.440 on Bengals the Daily Podcast. 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:33.839 All the best. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.560 Thanks, Thanks God. 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.360 Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.280 Home of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred w W Cincinnata. 0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:42.959 Do you want to be in American? 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:43.839 All right? 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.360 Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWD. Could we have 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.360 any more like awful news going on this Monday morning? 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.880 Not how we want to wake up when we we 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.319 did get an hour's sleep, But at the same time, 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:55.880 you know winter is here and it's going to be 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:57.920 depressing and dark, and of course you had the Bengals. 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.600 That kind of peals in comparison to the serious nature 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.520 of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday, 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.640 literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.000 violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.640 Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.440 keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween. 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.719 They're dressed up there and costume. You have college kids, 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.520 young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time. 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.120 The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.359 I just got this video and I shared it via 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:27.799 my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex at 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.560 Scott Sloane, and it comes from a reliable source, an 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.120 individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.120 morning and I'll describe it for you if you want 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:37.840 to see it for yourself. It's just too unreal to 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:41.640 believe in the city that hours after an investigation into 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.120 the shots fired, we have the image laying in the 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.200 grass literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub. 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:52.279 In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.040 got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.880 it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.239 like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.520 they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.359 lying there. Now, could the gun have been thrown there 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.320 after the shooting? It possibly, but it makes one question 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.160 maybe how thin the resources are and what the priorities are. 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.360 And you've got so many people running around trying to 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.799 police and do what they're doing, and with limited, by 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.319 the way limited resources, one could ask did that thing 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.160 get missed during the shooting investigation? 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:27.399 It is. 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.480 It's chilling to see. And also, you know, you could 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.440 see the kind of crowd that you know, mingles out there. 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.319 It's not good. Listen, I'm off far but having a 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:37.920 good time and I don't care. But you know, when 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:39.920 you have to have armed security guards, when you have 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.960 to have people with metal detectors making sure that you 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.800 don't get in there with guns and weapons, that's a problem. 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.359 And why is that allowed? Why is that permitted? As 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.520 I understand it that this is a problem with this club, 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.160 it's been going on for months now and it yet 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.440 to be addressed. And now we've got a gun literally 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.200 lying in front of the club, or a shooting happened 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.840 just hours ago. This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati. 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.920 Joined the show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:09.400 Smith with the National Police Association, because I want to 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.360 get some perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.240 is compared to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy, 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.640 welcome back, are you hey? 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:18.759 It's great to be with you. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.880 And and I'm so glad you're talking about this because 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.720 so many big blue cities around the country are dealing 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:32.040 with this exact same issue violent crime, you know, gun 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:36.160 crime in an area where there are all these gun laws. 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.319 That are supposed to take care of this. 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:44.960 So yeah, Cincinnati is is unfortunately right. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:49.920 Up there are we a outlier compared to comparable cities. 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.480 I mean, I feel we live here. We don't get 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.600 to see you think it's awful right now because I 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:57.239 had you on after the beatdown, the July brawl, We've 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.560 had the police chief fired, we have shootings on Fountain 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.200 Square is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.120 Genius of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.160 to drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is, 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.319 that the tip of that pin would be right through 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.600 the heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:15.080 town center basically, and people are out there having a 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.720 good time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.400 when the Steelers are in town, we had an individual 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:23.160 shot steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting. 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.040 Seven people shot, including what I just described in front 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:27.880 of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.680 after in the grass. When you look at other cities, 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:34.239 I mean, how comparable are we because it feels like 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:35.960 there's no way it could be worse than other cities. 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:43.760 Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois, 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:48.399 New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:52.600 have less violent crime than the cities like that. But 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.440 the problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:01.240 other cities, is you've had this almost decade long emphasis 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.359 on things like restorative justice and racial justice. 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:05.440 And all that. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.200 And then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:13.960 had the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified, 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:19.719 prosecutors were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:24.320 than crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race, 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:30.360 and we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims. 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.799 So in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.719 other big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:39.000 is such a beautiful city. 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:41.640 It feels like at this point it's starting to get 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.600 away from this. You know, during the summer months, we 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.920 see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.600 gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent acts. 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:51.879 Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.800 bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:56.960 and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween 0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.839 and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.600 as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.280 least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means. 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.000 And it's going to be two months to find out 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.960 why the city fired her in the first place. That 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:13.799 can't be helpening elsewhere where you fire essentially fire the 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.160 police chief and then look for reasons as to why 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:17.920 you fired her. It's going to take two months and 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.480 spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax paramney. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.680 No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again, 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.800 why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:32.120 the best when it came to you guys, making international news. 0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:37.560 But you know, she came up from inside. She seems 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.600 to know what she's doing, and it seems to be 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:43.400 a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.839 wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime, 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.759 you have people that are being victimized, and how do 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.040 you stop that, how do you stop. 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.080 This gun crime? You put people in prison. 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:01.680 Punishment works, And that's the problem that you have in Cincinnati, 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.319 like in so many other big blue cities, is we've 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:09.080 stopped punishing criminals. We worry way more about their feelings 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:13.280 than we do about the feelings of the crime victims, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:17.040 and we stopped really paying attention to law. Restorative justice 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.520 is which means we worry more about the criminal than 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.320 the crime victim. Restorative justice is one of the worst 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.640 things to happen to this nation and also to happen 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:30.160 to Cincinnati. And you can look around Ohio and you 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.879 can see how other cities deal with crime, how other 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:37.400 counties deal with crime, and very often they do a 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:37.959 better job. 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.400 But Cincinnati, unlike some other. 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.640 Larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's what people need 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:45.120 to focus on. 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.040 You know, what we see in the crime. The final 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.040 crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.399 areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof, 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.759 that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat and 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:59.120 common in other cities? And what about that divergence that 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.000 indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.799 When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:10.279 look at, crime is down. But the problem with that 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:16.319 is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:20.960 this country go unreported because people have given up. And 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.000 when you have a police department that's short staff like 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.680 Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:31.719 beleieaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.560 every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.280 hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.640 that often go unreported. So I would guess your property 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.240 crime problem is off the hook. 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:46.160 You also have a. 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:51.239 Juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.799 dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.480 have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they 0:42:58.520 --> 0:42:59.840 also need to be punished. 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.120 Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.040 show on seven hundred W But kind of like a 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.040 national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.000 people shot over the weekend and the steady drumbeat of violence. 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.560 It feels like we had the leak of the police 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.239 video on Friday, and that would substantiate the fact that 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.600 the alert Schabnowski hit that the white guy, he was 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.600 the victim in this whole thing, was attacked from behind, 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.640 and that was not shared because it didn't lead the 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.600 narrative about how race crimes actually work. It was a 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:28.960 black guy punching him in the back of the head. 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.440 He turns around starts slapping people. But that's what we 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.160 saw and that's as sickening as anything else because of 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.920 all this violence. We don't need to add racial animosity 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:38.560 this whole thing, but that was of course ginned up 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.799 by a lot of the people who are not only 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.000 seeking your vote but seeking power in the city. Is 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.680 that racism is a one way street. It's always white 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.560 on block, not the other way around. And we could 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.360 admit that regardless of who you are, what you look like, 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:53.520 what you stand for, that we have racists among us, 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.400 and except to the good people to stand up, then 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.000 you could actually solve problems. But that's not happening right 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.520 now in our city. And I look at the gun 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.120 laying outside the club. That's not a good look for CPD. 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.360 I just posted this on my Facebook and x feeds 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.440 Betsy Brandner Smith that someone shared with me. They were 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.440 out the next morning after the shooting at the club 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.240 and OTR and literally across the street from the club 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.880 there was a handgun looks like a nine millimeter handgun 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:18.320 laying on the grass right in front of the club. 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:20.279 People are going to look at the police and go, 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.360 how the hell could you miss a gun unless the 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.520 gun was thrown there after the crime, after the police 0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.040 had left, But that's probably unlikely. 0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.120 Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know. 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.880 I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:34.759 I assume. 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:35.520 That, well, we'll know. 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.520 But you're right, it's not a good look. But you know, 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.960 the Cincinnati Police Department. 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:43.839 Used to be one of the. 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.080 Best in the country, and they have so many good 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:52.399 people and good leaders. The problem is is, again they 0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:56.560 have been themselves beaten down by political leadership. And this 0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:00.600 is why elections are so very. 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.960 Important when you go to the you know, people, when 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:03.359 you go to. 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.000 The polls tomorrow, we don't tell you how to vote, 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.080 but I want you to think about how you're living 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.319 in the city of Cincinnati, and this is the same thing, 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.000 and we're seeing all around the country. New York's a 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.239 great example. You know, who is going to give you 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:21.440 a safer life in your city because a lot of 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.839 people are moving, but people who can't afford to move 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.480 are stuck and they're the ones who become the victims. 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:28.840 And we hear so much about. 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.560 Oh people, you know, poor people. 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.919 Are you know, they commit crimes because of this. 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.840 And that most people are not criminals. 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.440 Cops know this, the media knows this, even if they 0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:42.600 don't want to talk about it. Most people are just 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.680 trying to live their lives. We have got to root 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:52.200 out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them, and then everybody 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:57.879 needs to be able to live their lives in a nice, open. 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.080 Society like we were able to do forty. 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:01.560 Yeah, yeah, you know. 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.920 To make this a racial element of the race, the 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.600 biggest victims of these crimes by these individuals are Black 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.600 women in particular, black community suffer the most. When you 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.040 talk about these gun crimes and the like. Not not 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:17.640 always because we have shootings. Believe me, speaking for white America, 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.520 I mean it's not like we have all the problems 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:21.600 solved either. We got plenty of problems for sure, But 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.319 the violence issue affects us all regardless of where it hat. 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.440 Don't care where it happens. I just care that it 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:27.920 is happening. 0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.680 And when a gun is laying on in the street 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.480 basically of Cincinnati hours after shooting, it's a bad look 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:35.400 again for our community. 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.120 Into the missteps continue to go. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.000 And not only that, a lot of the complaints are 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.680 unanswered by this administration, be the city manager and the mayor. 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.080 Is if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away, 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:48.759 and all we hear is out how tough on crime 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.319 were going to be? Well, all the while judges are 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.840 letting people out who should be locked up. That's exactly 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.840 what you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association. 0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.560 I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:02.719 the weekend have had something in their jacket that would 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:04.919 prohibit them from having the firearm. You can almost bet 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.080 the house on it. It happened in just about every 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.640 case we've had so far, why would this be different. 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.960 Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.440 of them have probably had lots of police contact before, 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:22.400 lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.080 that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:29.640 in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:33.880 because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:37.040 can't punish people. We just need to understand them and 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.160 hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.520 enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again, 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:49.880 most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever. 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:53.960 We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.799 go back to a sane society. And that's why it's 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:03.920 so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety, 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:08.719 not for some political party or not because you don't 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.239 like the guy in the White House. Think about your 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.880 own life and is your political leadership doing right by 0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.520 you a citizen of Cincinnati. 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:20.200 I would say, in Cincinnati, know that that too much 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.080 of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.439 the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.840 person for the job, open it up and let the 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:31.400 market decide. I'm a free market kind of guy. But 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.719 the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.600 years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.719 concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.280 improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:42.759 like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.239 to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.600 all those things. And the end result is when you 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.080 ignore the police department and don't feed it and care 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.919 and nurture for it, things like this happen because there's 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.520 a criminal element out there and not again, I think 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.200 you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you just 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:03.640 encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people simply 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.439 we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing there, 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.120 and they still wind up shooting. 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.120 They don't care. 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.640 About their lives or us around, just their immediate needs. 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.840 I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance, 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:16.760 and they're going to get a job and just promise 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.879 never to do it again. These same people go out 0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.200 with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.040 happened in front of the in between after the Thursday 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.680 night Bengals Gate guy had an ankle monitor on when 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:28.160 he fired shots. 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:31.600 It's unprecedented, Well, it absolutely is. 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:36.120 And this is why your police officers, before they engage 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.840 in situations like that, and the criminals know this. 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:40.560 Your police officers have to. 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:42.600 Think not only about their own lives and the lives 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.880 of people around them, but they have to think, am 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:45.960 I going to be bilified? 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:47.120 Am I going to be demonized? 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:51.120 Am I going to be prosecuted simply for doing my job? 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.479 Even when usuforce is justified And you're so right about 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:57.960 the chief. So much was made, you know, when she 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.719 was promoted to chief and all that, and there was 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:04.080 so much talk about diversity and inclusion and this that. Well, 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.680 now all of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're 0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.160 not so inclusive, and she's on paid leave until we 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:14.080 figure out a way to demonize her for our own 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:17.640 political and administrative mistake. 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.520 She is a Betsy Brandner Smith National Police Association, So 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:22.640 we're not an outlier. 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:23.879 We're not different than anybody else. 0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.719 If this is happening out of the city's got help 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.840 us but there is an election tomorrow. 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:28.239 We'll see. 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.200 It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.960 be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.120 because I would think that the voters are going to 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:37.719 make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.520 be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy, 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:42.000 all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:44.040 Thanks for having me. 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:45.720 Cincinnati is a beautiful city. 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.960 I know it well. It's worth saving everybody. 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:49.279 Savior city, take care. 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:49.719 Thank you. 0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:51.680 We've got to get a news update in. We've got 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:53.920 lots going on, and you know, more sad news of 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.680 the weekend. A long time member of seven hunderd W 0:50:56.800 --> 0:51:00.000 that would actually one of the cornerstones of the Granddaddy's 0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.279 sports talk Bob Trump be passing away at the age 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.760 of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with Trump many 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.920 times working then at Mount Adams when i'd come in. 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.120 I was doing the nine at midnight show years and 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:13.680 years and years ago when I first started here, and 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:16.040 I'd see him on Thursday nights when doing some Bengals talk, 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.040 and I'd walk in the studio and have great conversations 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.080 with Bob Trumpy about football and a bunch of other things. 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.720 Just a great guy and sad to hear that iron 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:26.400 Bob Trump. He passed away. Of course he went on 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.480 to after Sports Talk. He wanted to do stuff like 0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:33.960 NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy 0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.759 passing away at the age of eighty and remembering here 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:40.120 on the place he got his started. Media is right 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.440 here on the home of the best Bengals coverage seven 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.040 hundred ww Cincinnati. 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:48.279 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.280 to help us get our heads right. This is Mental 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.160 Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.759 Yeah, I wish we had better news on this day. 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:00.840 We had shootings. 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.400 We have of course, what happened on the field with 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.320 the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.040 out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah, 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:09.960 we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.239 the dividends will be paid for the coming days and 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.600 weeks or some people when it comes to the fact, 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:18.280 the sad fact that like Johnny Cash in fulsome prison, 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.200 we're not going to see the sun since I don't 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.320 know when joining the show is Julie H from be 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:31.239 Connected out Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie, there standby. We 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.520 got issues here, Julia there, there we go. I don't 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.640 know what's going on. Even the phones don't want to 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.520 work today, even the phones are depressed. 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.719 I was talking, I could hear you. Sorry about that. 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.040 Oh no, that's that's not on you, that's on that's 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.440 on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:47.000 are screwed up. 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.239 I don't know, screwed up. 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.000 We got all this damn bad news, and then on 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:53.120 top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now, 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:54.799 it was nice to wake up this morning, but you 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:56.719 know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm 0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:58.000 not going to see the sun in a while here, 0:52:58.040 --> 0:52:58.480 pretty soon. 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.160 Yeah, it's it's really hard on people. It is really 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.120 hard on people. Some people take it better than others, 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.160 and for some people the fall time change is easier 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:12.480 than the springtime change. But regardless, we know that what 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.480 happens in our bodies and in our brains it impacts us. 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:18.239 Whether we cope better with it than other people do 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:22.000 or not, it's a big deal, and it happens towards 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.000 the year, so we've got to get used to it. 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:25.319 But I don't like it. 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.120 Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right, 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.000 does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:31.840 know that the long days are coming because we do 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.120 this in the spring and we lose in our sleep. 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:35.960 We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now, 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:37.879 But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.319 some relief. This means that it feels like you're going 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:44.400 to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.000 think for a lot of people it's true. 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.480 Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:54.120 for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:58.359 most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:01.839 is the precursor to that beginning of their really hardest time. 0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:06.040 There are people who really really struggle in the dark 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:07.440 and the cold of winter. 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:08.759 And now we. 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:10.960 Know it's coming, And you're right, there's less daylight in 0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:14.280 our lives, particularly for those people who work a normal 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.200 eight to five, nine to five job. You're inside at 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.640 work during the daylight hours, you leave in the dark, 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.960 you come home in the dark, and it's really difficult. 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.880 Let's talk about the actual measured health impact is there, 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.040 shevel right, there are. 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:32.359 There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.840 has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:40.279 and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.280 twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:46.800 four percent increase in heart attacks on the Monday following 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:47.320 the switch. 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:49.319 That's huge, that's big. 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.840 That's really really big heart attacks because of the time change. 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.680 Now I thought, well, I got an extra hour sleep, 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.200 I should be good. But that's not true. 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:03.480 Well, you know, there's what we perceive is happening. There's 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.920 what actually is happening in our bodies. So our bodies 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:09.839 run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock is 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:14.120 timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light in 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:20.400 the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock, 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:24.160 it has negative impacts. So we see this on shift workers. 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:29.200 We see this in people who travel regularly for work 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:34.280 across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:38.520 people in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:39.520 that they have to shift. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.640 They shift their phases of sleep and wake. 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:46.280 Also, though done over time, they can come to adapt 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:48.640 to that. But for the rest of us who only 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:53.560 shift it basically twice a year or infrequently, it can 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:58.600 have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not a doctor. 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.319 I can't explain this to you in greater detail than that, 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:03.840 but I can tell you that there is documented evidence 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.000 that strokes go up maybe eight percent in the first 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.520 couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go up significantly 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.760 in the first couple of days after a time shift. 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.319 Okay, so how do you prevent that? 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:16.839 If your heart's palpitating, you're beating real fast right now, 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:18.719 and you're sweating, and your arms are going numb, we'll 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:20.680 call nine one one. But before you get to that, 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:21.359 what do you have to do? 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:23.600 Well, one of the. 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.920 Things that we're starting to understand is helpful is to 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:30.200 prepare ourselves for that. So I don't know if you, 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.759 before you went to Australia did what some people who 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.920 travel long distances across multiple time zones do. If they 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.880 start preparing their body for the time they're going to 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:43.600 be in by going to bed later, or going to 0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.480 bed earlier, by getting up later or getting up earlier, 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:51.040 start shifting a few days beforehand into their new time zone. 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:52.879 No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:53.640 do that. I'm stupid. 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:53.880 How you. 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:56.640 I don't know. 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:57.279 Well. 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.719 One of the things that we recommend is if you 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.360 are someone who you've who knows that this time change 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:06.520 really impacts you, and it really impacts me, not with 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:08.759 a heart attack, but just generally, I don't feel as 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:12.239 well for the week afterwards. I try to start shifting 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.239 my sleep cycle and my weight cycle to be more 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:18.560 like the time that I'm going to be in versus 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:20.880 the time that I'm currently living in. Then ins of 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:26.880 abrupt shift, so gradually changing because we know that this 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.480 is coming and we can predict it, can be really helpful. 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:31.160 Well if you can. 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:32.600 But most people, you know, you still have to work 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:33.920 and then you go, Okay, Then I got to pack 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:34.920 and I got to make sure everything's in. 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:36.200 I'm all excited about traveling. 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:38.320 You know, as you're talking about that, I know some 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:41.200 people and there's people listening who are in the business 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.960 of traveling a lot. And you're going to different countries 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.320 different times. You know, P and G notorious for that. 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.640 Does that shape yours off your life? 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.720 I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:55.400 significant medical impacts. 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.640 Yes, I know third work and third shift does. 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:02.480 Oh yes, absolutely it does, and shifting time zones like that. 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:05.680 Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.680 modern technology allows it, but our bodies are. 0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:10.280 Not actually physically designed to do that. 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.440 So it creates stress in our body, It creates differences 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:18.920 in cortisol levels, it creates differences in our serotonin levels, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:23.440 which is one of the neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation. 0:58:23.960 --> 0:58:28.360 And so these differences over long periods of time can 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:32.760 have negative consequences. And I believe that there now studies 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.040 about protocols for how to help people who have shift work. 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:37.880 Or who travel across multiple time. 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:41.720 Zones regularly, to help them manage that better. But it's 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:44.480 something that needs to be carefully managed because our bodies 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.680 don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally and has 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:50.480 jet lag knows that it can take you twenty four 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.640 to thirty six hours to sort of get back in 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:55.400 the groove again, and then when you come back home 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:56.760 the same thing can be true. 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:00.320 She's Juli Hannash, You're our license mental health expert. Monday Morning, 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.600 it's always Julie of course talking about mental health Monday 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:07.240 at be connected care the time change. Yeah, it's okay 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:08.880 right now because you've got an extra hour sleep, But 0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:11.520 you know you still feel effects of this too, because 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.280 heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents, your mental 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.840 health starts to stuffer with that you get because if 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.800 you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression. Seasonal 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.120 effective disorder is a huge one. 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:27.080 It is, and that is triggered by the time change 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.960 and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.400 is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:41.200 our day, and people feel that in many different ways. 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:47.000 People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny, 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:51.360 like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:55.560 disorder year round. People who live in areas that are 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:59.640 more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:01.760 of it. It becomes more acute. So you can have 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.120 it sort of consistently or you can have it acutely, 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:04.880 depending upon. 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:06.360 The seasonal change. 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:10.400 But our bodies need sunlight. It helps with mood regulation, 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.920 it helps with sleep regulation, It helps with stress levels, 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:18.280 cortisol levels, it helps with adrenaline. It is important for 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:20.640 us to have sunshine in our lives, and when we 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:22.400 go to work in the dark and come home in 1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:24.760 the dark and we're not outside during the day, it's 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.640 a problem. Those sunlamps really do help. 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:30.600 Yeah, I've got a happy any bright. 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:32.680 Light, yeah, yeah, because it has to be when a 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:33.800 certain spectrum. 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:36.600 Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum. 1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:40.200 You have to use it ideally at particular times of day, 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:44.640 four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:48.120 impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.480 effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:51.280 under any light. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:52.200 It's about the. 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.080 Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes 1:00:57.120 --> 1:01:00.520 and hitting your brain. You can get that just also 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.400 by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on. 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:06.680 It. It's not terribly bright. 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:10.080 Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:12.320 the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:14.600 with it. You mentioned different times of the day when 1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:16.320 she'd be exposed. What are you talking. 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:21.000 What's optimal first thing in the morning, before you start 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:25.040 your day, ideally fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because 1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:29.040 that triggers your body into recognizing that it's awake and 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:32.680 time to work now, and your brain starts creating all 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:35.480 of those hormones that you need in order to go 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.919 through your day and do a really good job going 1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:42.360 through your day. And then sometimes if you have a 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:44.720 slump in the middle of the day, that's another really 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:47.440 good time to get some sunlight through your eyes, because 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:49.920 that will again stimulate your brain to produce the hormones 1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:53.680 that provide energy and cognition and keep you sharp and focused. 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:57.760 And then later at night, as you're starting to wind down, 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:01.240 you want to decrease blue light so screen time and 1:02:01.920 --> 1:02:05.520 increase warm light in your home, and then that makes 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:08.440 the transition to sleep easier and makes your sleep more 1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:09.840 RESTful so that you can get. 1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:10.840 Up the next day and do it again. 1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:12.000 All right, So what about that? 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.400 She you mentioned the sleep shifting and getting used to 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:17.000 this thing, But how often should you? 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:18.240 What about naps? 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:19.760 I think that's a good one too, because it feels like, 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:21.920 you know, especially when its gray and dark and we 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:23.840 just want to curl up and heave an Well, why 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:25.240 do naps get such a bad rap? 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:26.959 I don't know why. 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:28.720 Naps got such a bad rap, But I also don't 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:30.600 know why sleep got such a bad rap. I mean, 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:32.480 do you remember back in the days when people used 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:34.880 to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead, and people used 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:37.000 to brag about getting by on three or four hours 1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:40.920 of sleep a night. And we know physiologically and mentally 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:43.800 and emotionally that we most of us need seven to 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:46.800 nine hours of sleep a night, good quality sleep. So 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:48.720 if you are someone who needs a nap in the 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:51.800 middle of the day, what the recommendation currently is is 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:53.960 that you don't go for more than about thirty minutes 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:56.800 to take a power nap. Anything more than that, you're 1:02:56.800 --> 1:02:59.400 getting into a full sleep cycle. And if you interrupt 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.160 a full sleep cycle, that leaves you feeling groggier and 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:03.880 more disconnected than. 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.840 Before you went in. And so fifteen to thirty. 1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:10.760 Minutes is ideal for most people, and just one of 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:12.800 those a day to kind of boost your energy and 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:15.440 boost your mood can be real. I don't know why 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:16.600 NAP's got a bad wrap. 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:18.760 That have to be when I appear and work ethic, right, 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:22.640 and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I. 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:25.480 Mean there is that. Although I remember there were a 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:27.400 few times in my life when I would take my 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:29.160 lunch hour and go to my car and nap for 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:31.600 thirty minutes and then get back into the office and 1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:33.440 work again because I was so tired. You can't really 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:35.240 nap at your desk. I'd go hang out in my 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:36.560 car and nap and then come back in. 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.360 I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:40.920 people I work with. I don't want to lay where 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:41.240 they lay. 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:44.240 You know what I say, I do know what you mean. 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:45.520 Wow, I'm lucky. 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:47.640 I have a couch in my office. Yeah. I could 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:48.720 lay down on my couch if I. 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.600 Needed now, five ten minutes, if you need it. I'm 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:52.720 not a big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good. 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:53.120 It's good. 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:54.720 I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it, 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:55.680 it makes you more productive. 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:58.080 I understand. We don't encourage it more. Now you could 1:03:58.120 --> 1:04:00.000 be like some people and probably have a two hour nap. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:00.720 That's a little much. 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.320 Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.560 way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:09.800 complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:12.880 part of the sleep cycle is the really restorative. That's 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.720 why the first thirty minutes is great. That thirty minute nap. 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:19.000 Once you move into the second part of the sleep cycle. 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:21.440 If you awake from that in the middle of it, 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.640 it's really hard to get back on track again. That's 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:25.960 when you wake up and your groggy, and you actually 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:28.560 maybe feel worse than before you took the nap because 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:30.880 you're in that second part of the sleep cycle. 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:32.720 It's not really helpful. 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.320 So that's why the thirty minutes is pretty much ideal. 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:37.480 Which time change is worse, the Sprague one or this 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:39.240 and I think it'd be this one now, granted, were 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:40.920 still going to get an extra hour sleep. You love 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:43.080 that one. Bars are open. If you're younger, that means 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:45.800 the bars are open for the next hour. But for 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:48.880 those of us adults, like to me, it's like, this 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.720 is worse because we know what's coming. You know that 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:53.240 we're not going to see the sun. It's going to 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:55.960 get dark and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work. 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:57.480 It's going to be dark. To get home for work, 1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:59.320 it's going to be dark. There's no joy in that, 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:02.280 there's nothing look forward to until we fix it in 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:02.720 the spring. 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:09.680 Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:13.160 our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it. 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:15.840 So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:20.320 of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days 1:05:20.360 --> 1:05:23.840 are coming. However, there are people who really like winter, 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:27.080 and so for them, this season that's coming up is 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:29.920 not gloomy and doomy. It is really fun. They like 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:33.640 outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They really enjoy, 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:37.640 you know, coziness around a fire. So for them winter 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.560 is actually a lovely season and they're not disliking it 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:43.880 at all. So physiologically the change is very similar, or 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:46.520 the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we make 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:49.840 of it that makes for me and you spring an 1:05:49.880 --> 1:05:51.360 easier one to manage than fall. 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:53.760 I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:55.760 like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:59.680 up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay, 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:02.040 which is wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:04.680 Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:07.280 white snowfalls something like that. Get a couple of feet 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:09.840 of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:12.040 then one it's just dooming and blooming, right, we don't 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:15.520 have that. So and then after that, yeah, by February. 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:18.040 February starts to roll around when pictures and Catchers report, 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:19.720 it's like, okay, it needs to be over, and then 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:21.640 we got two mile months of misery is a problem. 1:06:23.000 --> 1:06:25.360 Yes, pictures and catchers report used to be a national 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:27.840 holiday in my household when my kids were young, that 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:29.080 was their favorite day of the year. 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:30.440 Baseball season was starting. 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:30.840 It's over. 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:34.240 Yeah, it's over, yeah exactly, and that's when things should 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.400 start to get warmer now. Like you, I like winter. 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:39.640 I like a cold Christmas and a cold New Year. 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:43.280 And then you know, early mid January, I'm kind of done. 1:06:43.320 --> 1:06:45.040 I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again. 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:47.560 Well did you also notice too that the older, when 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:49.320 as you get older, you want more sunshine. 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:54.840 Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood, 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:57.960 it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for 1:06:58.000 --> 1:07:00.840 all of the processes in our body, and the older 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:01.960 we get, the. 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:04.120 More challenging physically things. 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:06.440 Can become, the more we need every little bit of 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:11.760 help we can access, and sunlight is important. Darkness feels 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:14.120 darker the older I get, I agree with you, And 1:07:14.200 --> 1:07:16.919 winter feels more wintery and yuckie the older I get, 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:19.760 And I think that that is pretty common. It's harder 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:23.520 to stay warm when you're older, it's harder to navigate 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:27.440 in the dark when you're older, and we need more 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:30.960 of the serotone and the dopamine that sunlight provides us, 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:33.560 and we need more of the cortisol to get us 1:07:33.760 --> 1:07:36.040 going in through our day that the sunlight provides them, 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.800 because as we get older, our brains produce less of that. 1:07:38.880 --> 1:07:41.800 Naturally, I get cortisol dopamine. I'm here for Julie Hatter's 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:43.560 here at be Connected dot Care. That's let her be 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:45.680 Connected dot Care if you want to reach out, maybe 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:48.080 a topic for a future segment or a question for her. 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:51.960 She practices out of Clifton at be Connected dot Care. 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:55.800 And Hey, Julie is the handle for the email Julie Hattershare, 1:07:55.840 --> 1:07:57.680 Mental Health, money and the Scotslan Show all the best. 1:07:57.680 --> 1:08:01.760 Thanks for jumping on, have a great week. Thanks you too, Yeah, 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:03.520 thank you. I got to get a news update and 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:06.960 then we return. Austin Elmore's here so far, no worried 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:09.520 about anybody getting fired down at pay Corps. Shouldn't someone 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.200 be fired for this? We'll name names coming up with 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:16.040 Austin as the the watches on for a sacrificial lamb 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:20.080 down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out, 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:23.360 back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:25.599 Home of the Best Bengals covered Scoontzland putting the dope 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:27.240 and dopamine on seven hundred WW. 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:31.080 Since you want to American, All. 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:31.760 Right, here we go. 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:36.120 We have good news today. Good news today. Dodgers won 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:39.400 the World Series. Some really good news. I opened the 1:08:39.479 --> 1:08:41.280 Jays would win. I don't know how it makes the 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:44.200 Bred look any bad or worse, but nonetheless we have shootings. 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:47.840 And speaking of sports, we have the Bengals. If you 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.479 thought last week against the Jets was the worst ever, 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:53.320 literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold my beer, 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:58.280 hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the football game 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:01.800 and the script is always this. In the extremely unlikely 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:04.439 event you recover an on side kick, and then and 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:06.640 they more extremely unlikely version, you go in and you 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:08.040 score a touchdown to go ahead. 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:10.960 You do not lose the game. Is that is that 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:11.880 is written in stone? 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:12.439 Right? 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:14.880 Well, it is written in stone. Austin Elmer from ESPN 1:09:14.920 --> 1:09:19.400 fifteen thirty. The last two times the Bengals have recovered 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:22.679 an on side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:25.920 They did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:29.360 Burrow Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.840 feverishly came back and ended up losing that game, which 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:37.280 secured the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:42.280 back and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:45.599 a Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when 1:09:45.680 --> 1:09:49.519 it was they only needed like twenty yeah. Yeah, And 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:52.439 I say that, I tell you because this is more 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:55.000 insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know to me, 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:58.040 simply because it's an only seven team, you're gonna play 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:00.479 like you got nothing. Chicago comes, you have the game 1:10:00.560 --> 1:10:03.000 one in a little of the closing seconds, all you 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:04.600 had to do is make it to just stop the 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:07.280 one guy that's it. Did you did you say like 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:10.120 this game should have could have and would have been won. 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:14.240 Did you really think when the Bengals scored the touchdown 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:17.760 to go up one point and Chicago had fifty seconds 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:19.920 and a time out, I thought theta which styck the 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:23.920 Bengals were going to win. Noo sty exactly. Nobody thought 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:26.160 they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:27.439 a field goal and they get out of there. 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:31.000 But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:32.719 know all you need to do is tackle. 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:36.280 All you have to do, Scott were nine games in. 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:40.599 This is who they are. The expectation is no longer 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:43.200 for them to win football games. It is how badly 1:10:43.280 --> 1:10:45.479 are they going to screw up the chances they do have? 1:10:46.560 --> 1:10:48.800 Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:51.040 going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there. 1:10:51.120 --> 1:10:54.439 And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard. 1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:58.400 They played pretty well, at least offensively, they kept themselves 1:10:58.400 --> 1:11:01.120 in the game. But defensive I knew if they needed 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:02.800 to have a stop, they had to get a stop. 1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:04.519 Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen. 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:06.840 All right, here's why now Normally, like at eleven thirty 1:11:06.840 --> 1:11:08.680 five of James with Peena, he's busy. I don't know 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:10.719 if he sees something in the tea leaves or whatever. 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:12.479 I said, Okay, well we'll do James early this morning, 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.080 had him out at nine this morning from Sports Illustrated, 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:18.599 locked on Bengals and bengalstock dot Com. Great I said, 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:20.720 I'll maybe get Audie or something on later in the 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:23.200 show to eleven o'clock hour, because you just have a 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:25.240 sense with the other thirty one other cities, it's like 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:28.439 somebody's got to pay for this. And I bring that 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:31.559 up because Zach Taylor says it's sick, it's sick to 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:31.880 lose that. 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:32.559 I feel sick. 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:33.040 I'm sick. 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:35.519 I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:37.360 he's that tells me he's out of answers. 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:37.760 Yea. 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.880 And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game, 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:42.960 but it was reported that like all the guys on 1:11:43.080 --> 1:11:44.920 defense and the ones that were a lot of the 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:48.880 problems were laughing to the media going, we're not talking. 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.280 I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this. 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:57.439 And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:00.400 Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys, like 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:03.720 a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off about this, 1:12:03.920 --> 1:12:07.080 talking badly in the locker room about the defense and 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:09.720 the defensive players are responsible, like ah, okay, see I 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:11.160 see on Monday, I'm talking to you. 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:11.519 Whatever. 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:14.360 That tells me that there's no control in the lock. 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.519 Like literally, they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right, 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:19.080 they've lost the room, as they say in hockey. 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:23.280 Yeah, So what I keep hearing from people around the 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:28.920 team is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on 1:12:29.000 --> 1:12:31.320 the defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture. 1:12:31.600 --> 1:12:34.400 There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:37.000 are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line. 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:39.800 So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson, they're 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:41.840 not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of, 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:44.000 you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:48.519 pole guys to edbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything, 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:51.400 a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny, 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:54.719 enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work. 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:57.559 And that's a major issue for this. And there's no 1:12:57.640 --> 1:12:59.240 repercussions for it now. 1:12:59.479 --> 1:12:59.680 You know. 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:01.920 Part of it is if you bench a team captain 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:04.439 and Logan Wilson, well, then okay, well he's he's not 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:06.880 going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay, 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:08.160 he's not going to be a part of the solution. 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.599 But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:15.439 of it's really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:18.160 Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:20.519 into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.720 leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:26.960 loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well, 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:31.480 they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed together. 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:34.040 To do that. Because it's about talent, but it's also 1:13:34.080 --> 1:13:34.799 about chemistry. 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:37.559 It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:41.400 a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.600 your job is, what's required of you, and how you 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:47.479 can become a better person, a person and player. And 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:49.760 there's a humility that comes with that. I think of 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:53.040 Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game, 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:56.400 essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:59.559 solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had, 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:03.519 you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:07.080 of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin, he didn't put 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:10.000 his arms out. He lowered his shoulder he tried to 1:14:10.120 --> 1:14:12.760 hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:16.360 possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.800 foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.920 off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:23.880 be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:27.120 about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.000 and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:33.400 too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:35.160 know the reports coming out of the locker room of 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.120 the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I 1:14:38.160 --> 1:14:40.599 need a little bit more context on that. I would 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:42.840 like to have some more context because the other people 1:14:42.880 --> 1:14:45.599 that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:49.040 came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:52.880 want to know more about what was asked of them. 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:56.240 How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft 1:14:56.600 --> 1:14:58.960 not to speak to the media after a loss. You 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:02.160 mentioned Jamar chase it, Chase Brown does it, Joe Flacco 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:04.760 does it, Zach Taylor does it. Those are grown men, 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:07.000 those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh at 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.880 off and say ah, we'll see you guys on Monday. 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:10.360 I'm not. 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:13.160 I don't assume that they thought it was funny that 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:15.559 they lost. I think they thought it was funny that 1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:16.920 the reporters wanted to talk to him. 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:17.080 Yea. 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:20.280 And that's an issue and again a sign of immature. 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:23.839 When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between 1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:28.240 that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals 1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:31.280 crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen, 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:33.680 that they said so well, that Joe Flacco played so 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:37.360 incredibly well. Yeah, that they allow that to occur and 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.040 think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now, 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:43.720 defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media. 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.360 At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.160 and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:51.719 earlier to James, Like, no one in Cincinnati say maybe 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.080 you Dawson, and people follow us real closely. 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:55.840 You wouldn't know what that guy look like down the street. 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:57.800 There's plenty of general manager, it's player personal guys that 1:15:57.800 --> 1:15:59.519 are accountable will come on and talk to the media 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:02.200 to you. Don't hear anything about that dude? Seems to 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.760 be important and they're not doing it. But that then 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:07.120 that tells you, Okay, well, how much is it on him. 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:08.680 I'd love to hear his side of this, but yeah, 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:10.719 they don't get that out. He doesn't talk, he doesn't 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:13.240 want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking, and 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:15.120 he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's been 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:19.760 here since nineteen ninety nine, and really the vast majority 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:22.320 of his success has come when they're picking inside the 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:24.880 top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody can 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:27.080 pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot of 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.080 it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis, who 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:33.040 had a really good staff that built player scouts and 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:35.280 development people that were really really good at it. And 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:37.240 that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able to 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:39.959 get the most out of what he had. And outside 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.680 of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much at all. 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.960 Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded their research 1:16:46.439 --> 1:16:50.200 that they have gotten bigger in that regard, but it 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:52.559 feels like they're going backwards when it comes to how 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:53.479 they're building a team. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:54.960 They did nothing. 1:16:55.160 --> 1:16:59.160 Duke Tobin did nothing about the safety position, and what 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:01.439 has been the biggest heel on this defense so far 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:04.240 this year, it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:07.800 Geno Stone. It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.160 team hasn't made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah, 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:12.160 and they've tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That 1:17:12.200 --> 1:17:16.400 didn't work. So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crosshairs. 1:17:16.560 --> 1:17:19.920 Duke Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job. 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:22.519 And that is easy for me to say. It's easy 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:24.960 for anybody who watches this team and understands this team 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:27.760 and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.800 Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:34.400 insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:37.920 ninety nine that calling for his head or having those 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:43.960 conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization. 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:46.439 What led to another record, but what led to Marvin 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:49.880 lewis being related duties. I think the team ownership felt 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:52.360 it so much from the fan base sure that they 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:53.800 had to make a change. And I think at the 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:56.599 time mister Brown said, Mike Brown said, I didn't want 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:59.320 to do this we really didn't want to, but you 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.599 feel the same kind worse I do. 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:06.200 And I think that the presence of Elizabeth Blackburn in 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:11.479 that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn, I think 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:15.120 those two have more pool than they've ever had before, 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:20.599 and they care deeply about the external view of the Bengals. Yeah, 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:24.080 they care about what people think, and they should NFL 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:27.760 team should care about what their fans think. Do I 1:18:27.800 --> 1:18:31.280 think that's enough to sway Mike Brown and Katie Probably not, 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:33.839 but I do think they have a seat at the table, 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:35.760 and I do think that matters now. Part of the 1:18:35.800 --> 1:18:38.479 reason also that Marve ended up getting canned is they 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:40.519 had about three drafts in a row where they missed 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:44.599 on a lot of players, and that's exactly what's happening 1:18:44.640 --> 1:18:47.880 here as well. They've missed and they've set themselves back 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:51.360 years and years, and so it might be time now. Listen, 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:54.200 if you fire Al Golden today, I think that's the 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:56.559 right move because he's not doing a good enough job 1:18:56.560 --> 1:18:59.280 with this group. But also there's a bunch of bad 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.360 players on this group and it's not really going to 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:03.519 change anything. 1:19:03.560 --> 1:19:04.519 Look at that would right. 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:07.040 I made this point of Lou Aneromo goes to Indy, 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.360 gets shown the door having a great year in indianapoliss I 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:12.200 mean they lost the package that they are lost to 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.639 the Steelers yesterday, But okay, they're having a good season 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:17.360 with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about this defense? 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:19.599 He leaves, they put Al Golden in and the defense 1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:22.639 arguably got worse. How much do you I don't hang 1:19:22.720 --> 1:19:24.479 much of this on Al Golden because it's a small 1:19:24.479 --> 1:19:26.559 sample size. I think it's what we're talking about. What's 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:28.840 the one consonant. It's the personnel that you're getting in there. 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:31.920 It's the Bengals going to put an all world record 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:36.320 up for allowing yards after hit initial contact. It's why 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:38.400 they're like eight hundred yards now after the first contact. 1:19:38.439 --> 1:19:42.519 It's insane numbers and the and also Zach Taylor. How 1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:44.840 much how much you should be on head coach Ac Taylor? 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:47.479 Granted he runs the offense. Offense is fine. So I 1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:49.519 don't know if I have the beef with Zach or 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:51.439 Al Golden as much as I did Duke Topin. 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:55.479 I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to 1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:59.160 Duke Topin. Let's let's not let's not forget about that. However, 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:01.799 if you operate under the assumption that Duke is insulated 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:03.840 from criticism, which he is. They don't let him talk 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:06.120 to the media. He doesn't do any of that, and 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:08.360 so you have to kind of operate from the idea 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:10.840 that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of his duties. 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:13.879 I look at the defense and I say, Al Golden 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:16.280 has not done a good enough job putting his guys 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:18.519 in position. And I think back, as an Ohio State 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.639 fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play of the game, 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:25.160 third down. He goes one on one with the best 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:28.520 football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith, cooks his cornerback, 1:20:28.960 --> 1:20:31.640 catches the ball. Ohio State wins the championship. That was 1:20:31.680 --> 1:20:34.760 a stupid play call by Al Golden the National Championship Game. 1:20:35.080 --> 1:20:37.360 There have been stupid play calls by Al Golden as 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.800 a defensive coordinator this year. Is it all his fault? No, 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:43.479 because there are a bunch of bad players. I think 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:47.160 eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor. This was 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:51.440 Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al Golden, his buddy, his neighbor, 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.320 his guy who was here previously. The continuity and the 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:58.200 familiarity of previously. I think that's a Zach Taylor issue. 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.799 I think Zach has struggled to find the right position 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:04.000 coaches at times over the years and that has had 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:06.680 a negative impact on scouting and development because of the 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:09.880 weight that is put on Bengals coaches, specifically in this organization. 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:13.960 And I think eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor, 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:17.360 and he has failed to build a defensive staff because again, 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:20.839 think about it, Zach delegates mostly everything on defense. 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:21.599 He's done. 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:23.600 I think this you could make the argument this is 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:26.080 one of the most impressive offensive. 1:21:25.560 --> 1:21:27.000 Coaching seasons of. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:33.439 Going down, incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to 1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:35.560 the defensive side of the ball. Louis an Arumo was 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:38.679 basically the head coach last year on defense, right, Yeah, 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:41.640 and that's fine. People do that across the league all 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:44.240 the time. But there is not a respect or an 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:47.320 appreciation for Al Golden like there was for lou Ana Rumo. 1:21:47.720 --> 1:21:49.800 It started to be a mutiny last year where guys 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:53.080 were turning on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so 1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:56.160 they kind of scaped goat lou. Well, now you're starting 1:21:56.160 --> 1:21:58.160 to figure out maybe it's actually the players on the team. 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:00.240 You fire Al Golden and get somebody else and you 1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:01.080 get the same result. 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.880 That what Yeah, And again that finger points back to 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:06.880 Duke Tobin, right, but it also points back to Zach 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:09.559 Taylor because these are his guys and his coaches, and 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:11.160 he has to say in all of that as well. 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:14.760 All right, I don't like It's they have come to 1:22:14.840 --> 1:22:17.880 a point where you have five years left basically in 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:21.920 the Burrow era, and they have gone through the last 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:26.400 six years basically of failure, two really good seasons. Ye, 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:29.519 Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left 1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:32.160 in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye. 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.600 It really is. You have to clean house. 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:36.479 Now and try to build this thing up so you 1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:39.439 have at least a chance at the end of this 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:40.519 thing over the next five. 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.200 Years and keep Burrow healthy. Because it's not just that, 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.439 it's also what the on line is doing. Of course, 1:22:44.479 --> 1:22:46.960 you mentioned safety and defense, and it's there's this is 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.439 not like a ay offseason, we'll get it squared away. 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.759 It should have been addressed this year in the upcoming season. 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:54.160 And now you've pushed all that back and how much 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:56.840 longer has that reduced that window because now you've got 1:22:56.880 --> 1:22:58.760 to do it over maybe the next two seasons, right, correct, 1:22:58.760 --> 1:22:59.679 You're not gonna do this in one. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.080 Yeah, I'm right there with you, which again tells me 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:04.880 why you need to start thinking ahead right now, which 1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:07.920 means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson, trade anybody, you 1:23:07.920 --> 1:23:10.920 can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use that in the 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:13.639 offseason to go and get some other better players. They're 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:18.400 looking at sixty five to seventy million dollars in cap 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.920 space next year, which is certainly doable. You can turn 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:24.120 things around with that amount of money. I know everybody 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:25.920 wants to think that they're broke because of Joe Burrow 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:28.240 and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by the way, the 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:31.320 restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even hit yet, so 1:23:31.360 --> 1:23:33.880 you can expand that money even more so. I do 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:36.040 think you can turn it around quickly. I don't know 1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:37.519 that you can turn it all around in a year. 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:39.960 But again, one of the talking points coming into this 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:42.280 season was can they go from the thirty first ranked 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:45.920 defense to the twentieth And if they do, guess what, 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:50.400 they're probably six and two right now. If they had 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:53.519 the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they would probably 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:54.080 be six and. 1:23:54.000 --> 1:23:56.360 Two and instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct 1:23:56.960 --> 1:23:57.960 one thing wrong way. 1:23:58.040 --> 1:24:00.000 One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the year, 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:01.519 Scott is that it can always get me. 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:05.880 Now, it can't get worse because there's not thirty three teams. 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:10.760 Well maybe, but like that's where we're at, and so 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:14.240 you have to, like starting today, start looking about looking 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:16.240 to next year and the year after and the year. 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:16.920 After that, real quick. 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:20.479 Austin Elmore from esp in fifteen thirty, Can you do 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.559 that without? Because two things? You fire Al Golden. Let's 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.720 say that happened. They're doing that right now. Okay, okay, sorry, 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:30.479 I fire Duke Tobin. Do you need him to unload players? 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:32.360 Do you need him to stock draft picked? I don't 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:34.400 think you do. Do you wait until Wednesday? 1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:34.720 Don't? 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:35.880 I don't think you do. 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:37.800 I think there are people in that building that are 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.360 absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do 1:24:40.400 --> 1:24:42.160 it if she needed to, because she did it for 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:45.759 a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.800 for a long time. He's a scouting executive. Trey Brown, 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:52.200 who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league. 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:54.639 He might make the most sense as the internal candidate 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:57.280 to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I 1:24:57.280 --> 1:24:59.600 think they should go external. But there are people in 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:01.840 that organzation that can absolute and Mike was the GM 1:25:01.880 --> 1:25:04.360 for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:06.439 talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:09.320 I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands. 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:11.200 But if you're moving on. 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:14.200 But listen, Duke's everybody and everybody's on the table, well 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:18.280 pretty much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah, 1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:19.000 who's off table? 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:20.439 Uh? 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:25.320 Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner, DJ turn Good. Yesterday Romo Dunes, 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:27.719 they had zero catches for zero yards. He had one 1:25:27.800 --> 1:25:29.519 catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:32.920 was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:35.760 around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.840 building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career, 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:42.479 played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a perfect example. 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:45.280 Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the Bengals, for 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:47.320 some reason, thought they could win the Super Bowl this year. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:49.280 That's the only reason who's here. 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:51.479 They basically told him to his face, we don't believe 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:53.280 in you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older, 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.040 you think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it. 1:25:55.040 --> 1:25:56.880 And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.760 turned thirty and they said we want you back because 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:01.479 we think who can win the Super Bowl this year? 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:05.000 Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.080 longer with the team. Get as much as you can now, 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:09.479 I'm real quickly. 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:12.400 We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:16.400 Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three? 1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:18.439 Does it happen? Uh? 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:21.640 Today? No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No, 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:23.599 I don't think it's going to happen during the season. 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:25.880 That's something else right there. I agree. 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:27.640 And you're out trying to sell season tickets too with 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.120 a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck with that, 1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:31.519 and then good luck. 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:34.599 I would be shocked if there were any in season moves, 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:37.200 just because I know how this organization operates. 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:39.559 I don't expect it at all. More on this and 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:41.920 we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:44.320 ESPN fifty thirty appreciation you, thank you, We'll do news 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:47.120 and council member Seth Walschnexx check out my Facebook and 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:51.200 X page. Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR. 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.040 That's next seven hundred horrible. 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.280 Weekend and Cincinnati not only the football field, but of 1:26:56.280 --> 1:26:59.000 course with violence. Seven people shot and two different shootings 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:02.080 over the weekend, one in Carthage and two locations there 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:05.439 one person dead and then a handful of people shot 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.360 in OTR outside of nightclub out there inside of Privy, 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:11.400 which is literally steps away from Ryan Geis. I just 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:14.080 posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott Sloane and 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:17.400 at X at Scott Sloane video shared with me that 1:27:17.479 --> 1:27:20.640 shows the day after the morning after the shooting in OTR, 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:23.240 a gun was found in the grass right across from seat. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:25.320 How do you miss a gun in the grass across 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:27.640 the street unless it was maybe thrown there after? But 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:29.200 I don't know why to do that. Well, there's cops 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:32.479 and crime scene tape up if you want to see it, 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:32.960 go there. 1:27:33.720 --> 1:27:35.000 It's just a horrific look. 1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:36.599 For our city and we don't need any more bad 1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:38.800 looks these days for sure. Joining the show this morning 1:27:38.840 --> 1:27:41.760 on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:44.599 we happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:46.479 the city got it all wrong. And who was the 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:50.120 aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:52.920 be councole member Seth Walsh. Back again on the Big One, Seth, 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:59.559 Good morning. Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:02.240 it Well, we'll start with this. You're out campaigning, are 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:04.960 on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend. 1:28:05.800 --> 1:28:08.240 Have we become just simply numb to the steady drumbeat 1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:09.920 of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot in 1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:10.720 one weekends a lot. 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:13.519 It is a lot. 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:16.599 I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't. 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:20.760 I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:23.920 the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:25.800 ouside of Privy. I mean, that was something that in 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:29.200 my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:33.320 had been raising concerns about since April, and the city 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:37.160 didn't step in and solve it. And we have. 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:37.599 To do better. 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:40.880 This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to 1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:44.080 be sitting in the city having this conversation today, knowing 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:45.559 what we knew going into this weekend. 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:49.240 So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:51.360 used to be posh events I think was event Center 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:53.800 and now it's Privy nightclub. And it looks like, you know, 1:28:54.000 --> 1:28:56.280 they got the velvet rope up if that's you're scene, 1:28:56.720 --> 1:28:59.080 got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:00.479 rope they wand you have a where you get in 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:03.439 out of the club. Allegedly what caused that was someone 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.240 was turned away at the door for whatever reason. The 1:29:06.320 --> 1:29:08.760 video I just shared on my social feed at x 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:12.280 and at Facebook at Scott Sloan shows a gun across 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:15.200 the street from where the police were hours earlier following 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:15.639 the shooting. 1:29:15.640 --> 1:29:16.679 This would have been Sunday morning. 1:29:16.680 --> 1:29:19.120 The shooting happened about one o'clock Saturday night, So there's 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:21.320 a gun laying in the grass the next morning. Horrible 1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:23.760 look for the city. What do you understand happened? And 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:26.519 what's the latest that you're hearing from the administration? Are 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:27.719 those you talk to seth. 1:29:29.240 --> 1:29:32.920 Honestly, what you just talked about is you know, almost 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:34.240 more than what I've known. 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:34.639 Okay. 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:38.320 I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:40.759 I have not been given any update on the situation 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:43.840 and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know, 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:46.400 like I said, you know the bar itself. You know, 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:49.320 as you listed, they are doing things to be proactive. 1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:52.360 I'm trying to prevent incidents from happening. But we have 1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:54.960 had a number of quality of life issues and concerns 1:29:55.000 --> 1:29:58.559 ories about them literally for six months now, and it 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:02.760 seems that just continually escalated one way or another, not 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:05.439 usually within the club, but you know, from an impact 1:30:05.439 --> 1:30:09.360 outside of it, and the fact of the city, you know, 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:11.960 I think giving me more information concerns me frankly. 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:12.320 Yeah. 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:14.160 I mean, you have ryan Geist right around the corner. 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:16.640 That's a huge operation, never any problems there. But we 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:19.439 have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know, 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:22.000 for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a 1:30:22.000 --> 1:30:23.760 gun with them, which is why I have harm security. 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:25.960 And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:27.280 been this way for a while. But as an old 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.320 man now, Seth, I don't about you as a young 1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:31.680 man if I go to a place and they pull 1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:33.439 a wand to wand me metal detector. I go to 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:35.479 the metal detector getting the club. I'm not going to 1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:36.040 go in that. 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:40.560 Bar well, and I think that's part of the objectives 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:42.640 of the bar was to make sure people knew that 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:45.800 that wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:48.679 weekend shows that you know, that type of clientele still 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:55.000 was coming and results in in a horrible this horrible tragedy. Also, 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:56.679 I mean it is literally right across from r I guess, 1:30:56.720 --> 1:30:59.960 and so it's a very important part of the city 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:02.400 and where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:03.080 trying to work on. 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:05.360 We have to find a way. 1:31:05.200 --> 1:31:10.680 We bar owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:14.400 we can't continually have these impacts where just because they 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:16.120 don't enter the establishment, they're trying to come to your 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:20.200 establishment and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:22.680 they've left your establishment. At some point we have to 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:24.240 start saying, like we all have to be holding each 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:26.559 other accountable here. This is not a one off incident. 1:31:26.600 --> 1:31:30.320 When when these quality of life incidents are just ramping up, 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:32.840 what do we do to cool it down and make 1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:35.800 it something that it's safe for everybody to go there, 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:38.320 because we should not have had this violent incident this weekend. 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:40.720 Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there, 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:43.320 because apparently that's what's causing the violence. 1:31:45.000 --> 1:31:45.679 I don't, I don't. 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:47.320 I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there, 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:49.880 but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough, 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:51.040 so I can't comment. 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:52.800 On, well, thank god we got the food truck band 1:31:52.800 --> 1:31:54.720 because I don't know how this is happening. If that 1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:58.519 we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth walshon and 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:00.920 but that's just the ridiculous of the spons we you know, 1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:03.120 we've often talked that You've talked about this before. Is 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:05.040 all right if it's a if it's a known trouble spot. 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:06.920 We talked about the hookah bars and hookah lounges, and 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.360 there's there's some bars and places they have multiple service 1:32:10.400 --> 1:32:12.640 calls there and they're still in operation. A number of 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:15.120 places like that in Roselawn. But this is an OTR. 1:32:15.200 --> 1:32:17.240 This is in the the heartbeat of the entertainment area 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:20.240 of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend You've got a 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:22.000 lot of revelers out there and then this kind of 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:25.280 nonsense goes down. Uh and you know, I mean face it, 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:27.519 there's you see students in the like they don't feel safe. 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:30.720 I've known some parents for a while now that every 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:32.599 time something like this happens, they wring their hands, going, 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:34.479 I wonder if I should allow my kid to continue 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:37.200 going to UC. And that's you know, around the Clifton 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.160 campus obviously. So it's a much bigger problem than that 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:42.920 relative to this level of violence that we're looking at. 1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:45.040 And this this seven shootings over the weekend. We'll go 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:46.639 into the Carthage one in just a second. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:46.800 Here. 1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:51.080 Have we been proactive enough about going after liquor license? 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:53.360 I know that the state and Mike DeWine, Governor de 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:56.360 Wine offered the services of the Ohio State Highway Patrol 1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:58.719 as well as liquor Control to come insts start going 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:01.120 after these establishments. There's a lot of problems. Has the 1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:05.040 administration accepted that and leaned into it? Because I know 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:08.519 there's troopers coming down like I don't know, one weekend 1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:10.320 a month or something like that, Like it's the national 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:13.639 I could say the reservists, But what about liquor control. 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:14.800 Have we leaned into that? 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:18.960 In my opinion, no, I don't think we. I don't 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:23.640 think we take this series enough. And the reason I 1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:25.920 keep talking about quality of life issues is because those 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:28.000 are you know, it's a broken window theory that is 1:33:28.080 --> 1:33:31.599 the opening point to when things start to escalate. If 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:34.479 we don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance, 1:33:35.160 --> 1:33:36.760 then also you get tar break ins and then you 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:41.000 get to violence. A lot of the situations that I've 1:33:41.080 --> 1:33:43.800 personally been briefed on over the summer, it seems like 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.280 there were these warning signs and red flags that lead 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:49.559 to the incident ultimately happening. That we were like, oh, man, 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.439 who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:53.479 life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we 1:33:53.479 --> 1:33:54.719 should intervene earlier. 1:33:55.439 --> 1:33:56.000 In this case. 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:59.120 In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member 1:33:59.120 --> 1:34:01.719 of Sinciety Counts, so I personally told the city manager 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:04.519 about my concerns around that bar and that establishment and 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:09.120 the results, and I warned that this was a tragedy 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.880 that I was worried would happen, and it still happened 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:14.720 because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make sure 1:34:14.760 --> 1:34:17.479 that it did not happen. I'm not saying the bar 1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:19.920 owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that I 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:22.920 was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner almost 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:26.880 every week for the last six months, and yet we 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:28.720 were going to act like we didn't know that this 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:31.120 is going to happen. How many more times is that? 1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:34.439 Is that going to be acceptable? When we started the 1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:36.760 revitalization of over the rune of downtown, if you look 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:38.280 at that plan in two thousand and two, one of 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:39.479 the biggest things they said. 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:40.719 Was zero tolerance on crime. 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:43.120 And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage, 1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:45.120 but I am saying the quality of life matters, and 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:47.519 it is an indicator. When we start ignoring it, we're 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:49.800 not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down. 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:53.760 It does lead to worse and worse actions and indications. 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:56.479 We hope that they never get to this stage of violence, 1:34:56.600 --> 1:35:00.720 but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:02.760 responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar 1:35:02.880 --> 1:35:04.360 owners and people that are going in and out of 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:07.320 these establishments. But I personally think that the city and 1:35:07.560 --> 1:35:09.719 I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm furious 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:13.280 right now, need to get serious about this and need 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:16.439 to say we are not going to tolerate this any longer. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:18.559 We're going to get aggressive and we're going to get 1:35:18.600 --> 1:35:22.040 this under control because this cannot continue to happen, especially 1:35:22.080 --> 1:35:23.200 when we have warning signs. 1:35:23.760 --> 1:35:26.160 What has the city in particularly this is may or 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:28.600 have to have peerval ensure along the city manager. Have 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:31.719 they addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning. 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:34.400 Have they addressed to see your satisfaction and said anything. 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:37.799 Well, as I mentioned at the start of this interview, 1:35:38.240 --> 1:35:40.519 I reached out yesterday when it was right when you 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.080 and I were talking about me coming on today, and 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:46.360 I have not heard anything since then, And I think 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:48.599 the noise is definie And I think that's been one 1:35:48.600 --> 1:35:50.920 of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:54.160 so often we don't have any information on what's going on. 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:57.800 We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:01.599 information and this situation, I think I can surmise it's 1:36:01.600 --> 1:36:03.680 because for six months we have a lot of like 1:36:03.760 --> 1:36:07.320 we had myself in particular, warning about it, but so often, 1:36:07.360 --> 1:36:09.120 I mean every single one of these incidents, it's like, 1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:11.320 just come on, give us some information about what's going 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:12.519 on here and what we're going to do about it, 1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:16.120 and how we can prevent this going forward. The silence 1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:17.320 is incredibly frustrating. 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:19.800 Council Member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:22.599 pull this back to my opening and what happened in July. 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.920 We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:29.000 on Signal ninety not it's a Facebook page or they 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:32.680 have a website, and this is the video that Kip 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:35.400 Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about during 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:39.240 the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim in 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:41.720 this case, who was you know, the city demanded it 1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:43.400 he be charged. We know that the mayor and the 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:45.000 city manager have their hands all over this as to 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:47.920 why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in this case. 1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:50.360 We saw the video where he was punching, slapping a 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:54.200 black man, and the story didn't start there. As it 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:56.920 turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive video evidence. 1:36:56.960 --> 1:37:00.200 It shows that he was attacked from behind, punk in 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:02.160 the back of the head by a man who was 1:37:02.240 --> 1:37:04.439 also charged in this whole thing as well, before he 1:37:04.560 --> 1:37:06.000 did what he felt he had to do was being 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:08.559 physically attacked by this. They've been sitting on the surveillance 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:10.439 footage for a long time. It finally got leaked out 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:13.040 a few days before the election. That right now, isn't 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:14.840 this cut from the same cloth in that if it's 1:37:14.880 --> 1:37:17.360 something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us look badly, 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:19.599 or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean, it's 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:22.160 been three months af and no one there's nothing new 1:37:22.200 --> 1:37:24.600 in this case. What the hell's taken so long? And 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:26.519 doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here? The 1:37:26.600 --> 1:37:29.080 lack of an action and transparency on the part of 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:29.800 the administration. 1:37:30.920 --> 1:37:33.160 Yes, I mean one hundred percent. I don't know why 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:35.560 that video. I mean it was turned over to the 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:38.240 city and the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after 1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:42.080 the brawl. I don't believe there's any delay in official 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:46.679 individuals getting this video. We released video quickly when there's 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:49.519 an officer involved shooting. This was a situation of between 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:52.479 national and international attention. Why did we not release it? 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:55.559 I asked last Monday, I asked somebody if I could 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:59.559 see the video, and I didn't see it till least online. Yes, 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:02.759 some of this stuff. I think we make way harder 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:05.120 and more complicated than it needs to be because at 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.760 this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion based 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:11.360 on videos that leaps out before this, and we're all 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:15.559 digging in our heels on it instead of actually having 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:17.599 been able to just watch the video in the first place. 1:38:17.960 --> 1:38:20.479 Lets the prosecutor's office run the way it's going to run. 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:23.200 Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there it is, and 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:25.639 we can move forward to the city because the reality 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:27.920 is this brawl is a black guy in the city. 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:29.560 It's something that we need to find a way to 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:32.680 move on from and move the past. Because at the 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:34.719 start of this year, Scout, we were talking about sun Dance, 1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:37.600 an international film festival, moving to the city of Cincinnati, 1:38:37.880 --> 1:38:39.960 and we're gonna end the year talking about this horrible 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:41.840 brawl that happened back in July. Because we haven't been 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:43.559 able to just put it to bed and put everything 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:45.960 out there and say here it is and let's move forward. 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:49.080 We as a city need to get back to why 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:52.360 Cincinnati was on, why we were so excited about our future, 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:54.639 why people were moving here, why we want people come 1:38:54.680 --> 1:38:58.439 into our downtown. And we cannot reclaim that and remind 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:00.639 people what's so important about this city when we are 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:04.680 continually not getting information and all these rumors and speculations 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:06.160 is just running rampant. 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:08.439 Just does council need more power? 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:11.880 What probably we have of the well power press obviously 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:15.360 the county, but what about the time release of public 1:39:15.439 --> 1:39:19.120 records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially in 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:21.719 a high profile case like this, It effects of public trust? 1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:26.800 Does what kind of party you have as a council person, Well, you. 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:29.439 Know, the charter puts us on a really weird situation 1:39:29.600 --> 1:39:32.759 where the council can request things from the city administration 1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:35.519 if you get a majority vote. The city administration, you know, 1:39:35.640 --> 1:39:38.320 is only really forced to do something if it's a law. 1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:41.120 So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the 1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:44.320 municipal code, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore. I 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:46.639 mean that that was the design of our charter back 1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:49.720 in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's a 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:51.320 fair question that needs to be asked. You know, a 1:39:51.400 --> 1:39:53.800 lot of people blame the mayor for things, but he's 1:39:53.880 --> 1:39:56.680 also very limited in what his scope of powers. You know, 1:39:56.760 --> 1:39:59.080 we have built a very strong administration from the city 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:02.559 perspective and I am all for professionals running the city. 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:06.240 You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians. But 1:40:06.880 --> 1:40:09.120 at the same time, there needs to be accountability and 1:40:09.200 --> 1:40:12.200 recognition that you are you are working with the public, 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:15.120 and the public deserves information and answers. And when things 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:17.759 are happening like to happen this summer, like the happines weekend, 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:20.000 come out and talk about it. And it's okay to 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:23.160 admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:24.920 not the worst thing in the world. We learn and 1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:27.599 we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:30.479 hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information 1:40:30.520 --> 1:40:32.559 because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:33.519 insane to me, isn't it. 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:36.160 Yeah, you know that information is going to come out 1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:38.000 on this day and age. You just simply can't quash it, 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:40.080 you know that at some point. And I'm surprised it 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:42.320 took this long quite honestly, and obviously at the time 1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:43.839 and with the election very important. 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:48.880 Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:51.880 I hope that those involved are learning that we need 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:54.240 to be proactive in our communication. This week is not 1:40:54.320 --> 1:40:55.880 giving me a lot of confidence on that right now. 1:40:56.200 --> 1:40:58.599 But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott. 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:00.599 And again that's the way we just on our system, 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:02.920 right the administration is fised out with any member of 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:06.679 council or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening, 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:08.640 because you know, it seems like things are tied to 1:41:08.640 --> 1:41:11.200 the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do 1:41:11.400 --> 1:41:14.120 your job come out, have these communications, get involved when 1:41:14.160 --> 1:41:17.000 we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public, 1:41:17.080 --> 1:41:19.160 make these things the priorities, and make people confident that 1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:21.080 that is our priority. And right now I think we're 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:23.240 having to price in the confidence mostly because we are 1:41:23.280 --> 1:41:25.240 not communicating about what is going on and we're not 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:28.240 being aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These 1:41:28.280 --> 1:41:30.840 are not these are not new problems. These problems have 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:33.040 existed for hundreds of years and a lot of great 1:41:33.120 --> 1:41:35.320 leaders to figure out ways to solve them. Why are 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:38.040 we struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:40.280 to step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:42.760 of having these conversations Scott, where we keep saying, like 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:46.040 what happened, the city needs to step up. They knew 1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:47.680 the problem that was going on with Privy this week. 1:41:47.680 --> 1:41:49.960 I mean, no problems happening with other bars around the city, 1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:52.320 but that are related to quality of life. Step up, 1:41:52.439 --> 1:41:55.160 get aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community, 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:57.360 and make sure that we start solving these problems now 1:41:57.520 --> 1:41:59.640 before we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati. 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:00.639 That simple. 1:42:01.080 --> 1:42:03.320 Why are you one of maybe two council members that 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:05.559 are speaking up? There's nine of you seeking re election. 1:42:06.200 --> 1:42:09.360 The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this. 1:42:09.800 --> 1:42:12.240 Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you, 1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:14.240 as a council got together and said, listen, this is 1:42:14.280 --> 1:42:15.920 going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:18.840 what we're working for. You guys control the purse strings. 1:42:18.840 --> 1:42:20.519 That's how it set up with the city charters. You 1:42:20.560 --> 1:42:23.600 control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that 1:42:23.680 --> 1:42:26.360 means you have a huge say in how we police 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:27.519 and what our policies should be. 1:42:29.479 --> 1:42:32.599 Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. What I can 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:36.759 say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:38.639 that I am saying today. Have I not said behind 1:42:38.680 --> 1:42:41.920 closed doors and you haven't heard it? Because I actually 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:44.240 would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather 1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:48.120 we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:52.120 any good city or elected government is for you to 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:54.439 never be complaining about an issue and not realize that 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:58.479 you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we 1:42:58.560 --> 1:43:00.920 want to sell things behind closed doors as much as possible. 1:43:01.880 --> 1:43:04.320 I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:07.840 to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:11.240 need to know that this was not a conversation that 1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:13.479 just happened. This has been happening for six months, and 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.720 what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:18.479 city did not act enough on it. I don't know 1:43:18.520 --> 1:43:21.800 why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know, 1:43:22.000 --> 1:43:23.800 more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:25.479 it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:28.000 I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:29.840 would like us as a city to get back to 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:31.680 the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:33.800 would like to be back to your point that you 1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:36.080 guys don't know or care who the mayor or the 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:38.479 city council is when we are just a well working 1:43:38.560 --> 1:43:41.320 machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance. 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:42.479 We're not there right now. 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:44.280 Right now, we need accountability and we need to be 1:43:44.320 --> 1:43:46.320 holding out and being the aggressive on it in my opinion, 1:43:46.400 --> 1:43:47.120 and that's my opinion. 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:47.720 I'm one of nine. 1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:50.040 That's the way the system has been set up. You know, 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:52.320 those listening at home, you know there is an election tomorrow, 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:54.760 and you know, I think my colleagues on the City 1:43:54.800 --> 1:43:56.760 Council are doing a really great job, even if they're 1:43:56.760 --> 1:43:58.880 not necessarily vocal, they are doing things behind the scenes 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:01.760 to make sure things are moving. And I think it's 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:04.080 important that you, you know, reward and vote for those 1:44:04.120 --> 1:44:07.280 who ultimately, you know, align with your values. And you know, 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:09.599 in my case, if you think speaking out is important, 1:44:10.200 --> 1:44:11.559 you know, it's important for me that you show up 1:44:11.560 --> 1:44:13.880 to speak out and bout box the mow. But if not, 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:16.040 you're going to continue to get more of the same. Yeah, 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:17.960 That's that's what it boils down to you. So I 1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:19.960 think it's a personal choice by the voters and they 1:44:20.000 --> 1:44:22.160 may not luck me them all Scott. People may hate 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.920 hearing you talk. So you and I can speculate all 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:25.960 day long, but we'll find out. 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:29.160 Well, I mean, you know, the snowplow thing you're instrumental 1:44:29.200 --> 1:44:31.759 in getting calling attention to that we talk about crime 1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:33.960 now in this and calling out the lack of transparency. 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:36.320 I love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:38.640 seven or six or seven more folks like you on 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:40.840 council willing to actually speak out against the mayor and 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:44.080 the administration. But when you don't, then you just encourage 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:46.320 more of that, and sadly it may cost someone their seat. 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:49.240 As you said, I think I have to have safe 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:52.240 for sure, but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point 1:44:52.280 --> 1:44:53.840 if this could be worse, Seth, you could be in 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:58.600 charge of fixing the Bengals. So this is seemingly a 1:44:58.720 --> 1:45:01.920 much much more adressable problem. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy, 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:04.719 all the best and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow. 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:08.400 Hope you get your seatback. I appreciate it, Yes, sir. 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:08.600 Thank you. 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:09.320 Good luck tomorrow. 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:11.400 By the way, Seth, what does that say about city 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:13.519 leadership when even the council people are in the dark 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:16.040 of what's happening, guns laying and bushes are laying the 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:18.000 grass across from a shooting hours later. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:20.559 It's just intolerable. The videos on my social fate at 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:21.080 Scott's Sloan. 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:23.280 Check it out on Facebook X Willie's on the way 1:45:23.360 --> 1:45:25.800 next to pick it up on the home of the 1:45:25.880 --> 1:45:29.160 Best Bengals Coverage embarrassingly so the Best Bengals Coverage seven 1:45:29.240 --> 1:45:30.479 hundred ww since now