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Speaker 1: comment for the year. Thank you both for what you do.

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Speaker 1: You offer all of us goobers, great insightful commentary. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you're absurd, but we love it. Merry Christmas. You're filthy animals, Michael.

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Speaker 1: taking the next two weeks off. What am I gonna do?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to function. Gosh, I depend

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Speaker 2: He can't quit you. We're just a little blue pill,

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Speaker 2: the different little blue pill. We're not a little blue

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Speaker 2: I have studiously avoided this dumb ass controversy going on

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Speaker 2: between different MAGA groups, the different you know, particularly the millennials,

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Speaker 2: the line yesterday. Turning Point usasuh. They call it a

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Speaker 2: I agree with this. Carlson has hosted some very controversial

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Speaker 2: to get in some dumbass university you're going to And

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Speaker 2: I don't know really, but I do have a good

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Speaker 2: story for it lead into the taxpay relief shots. The

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Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanize has announced a new nationwide

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Speaker 2: gun buyback program. Did it there yesterday December nineteenth? But

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Speaker 2: their December nineteenth? So just days after that terrorist mass shooting,

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Speaker 2: that massacre of Jews at Bondi Beach that killed fifteen people.

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Speaker 2: Now this echoes the nineteen ninety six buy back following

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Speaker 2: the Port Arthur massacre. So do you kind of get

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Speaker 2: a pattern here? Let's see nineteen ninety six Port Arthur,

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Speaker 2: you have a massacre, so you invoke a gun buyback program. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: Must not have worked out too well because then on

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Speaker 2: you know, back on December whatever it was, you have

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Speaker 2: another massacre. And now on December nineteenth you announced another

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Speaker 2: gun by back after Martin Bryant killed thirty five pup

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Speaker 2: book Port Arthur April twenty eight, nineteen ninety six, then

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister John Howard enacted the National Firearms Agreement, did

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Speaker 2: it within twelve days. Whether they were going to even

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Speaker 2: faster now? They banned semi automatic rifles and shotguns. The

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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded buy back collected nearly seven hundred thousand guns,

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Speaker 2: having gun owning households and contributing to at least one story. Oh,

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Speaker 2: zero mass shootings, but we'll get to this just a minute.

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Speaker 2: Zero mass shootings in the next two decades, alongside a

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Speaker 2: sixty percent dropping gun homicides. They included twenty eight day

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Speaker 2: waiting periods, genuine reason requirements for licenses, and a push

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Speaker 2: for a national registry, though implementation of that remains uneven

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Speaker 2: across all the different states down there now under this plan.

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Speaker 2: Under Albniza's plan, funded equally by federal and state governments,

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Speaker 2: they expect hundreds of thousands of firearms surrendered and destroyed

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Speaker 2: from roughly four million civilian guns. Matt, you think it's

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Speaker 2: going to happen? Post nineteen ninety six, data, according to

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Speaker 2: one story, shows that firearm deaths fell sharply studies. Some

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Speaker 2: studies shreds with the bands on rapid fire weapons for

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Speaker 2: curbing mass killings. Yet did that really happen? Let's see Australia.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this. Australia saw zero mass shootings defined as

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Speaker 2: five plus deaths after that buyback between nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 2: and twenty sixteen. But the key is a mass shooting

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Speaker 2: is defined as five plus deaths. Well, then that means

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Speaker 2: that the twenty eleven Hectorville siege that killed three with

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Speaker 2: legal guns, and between twenty three and twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: events like the Whimbilla attack five dead semi automatics that

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Speaker 2: were legally held the loopholes, over four million civilian guns

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Speaker 2: exceed the pre port Arthur totals with illegal and three

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Speaker 2: D printed weapons. Oh, on the rise according to law

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Speaker 2: enforcement in Australia. The Bondi Beach attackers, they used six

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Speaker 2: registered high powered rifles, so they were exploiting the per

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Speaker 2: owner limits absent that were absent until this new buyback program.

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Speaker 2: So no, it didn't stop so called mass shootings depends

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Speaker 2: on how you define mass shootings. Oh, they still had shootings,

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Speaker 2: they still had murders, and they still had the those

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Speaker 2: two examples they gave you that in other parlance we

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Speaker 2: would have considered a mass shooting, except oh, definitionally, no,

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Speaker 2: you can't count that