WEBVTT - 12-3-25 Lance with Brandon Saho

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<v Speaker 1>The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to at seven oh seven, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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<v Speaker 2>Kelsey Chevrolet. Two hours to get it done tonight, man,

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<v Speaker 2>do we have some grind to cover. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>developing situation with the Reds. Let me give you the

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<v Speaker 2>cliff Notes version on that. Sea Trent is reporting the

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<v Speaker 2>Reds in Emilio Pagan have reached terms of agreement on

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<v Speaker 2>a two year contract. Details to follow. My first guest

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<v Speaker 2>is a Cincinnati kid. You might remember him as a

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<v Speaker 2>sports anchor and reporter for Channel five from twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty two. After battling depression and suicidal thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>he checked himself into a mental health hospital, began treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>found a new purpose, left TV, became a mental health

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<v Speaker 2>advocate host of the Mental Game podcast. You might remember

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<v Speaker 2>he joined me in studio back in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>What a journey since. What an incredible latest chapter We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to in a second, but what a

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to welcome back Brandon. Sayo, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good land man. I look back to that moment

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<v Speaker 3>in the studio. I think we had like maybe ten

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<v Speaker 3>or fifteen minutes carved out. We ended up doing an

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<v Speaker 3>hours together. And now I'll be forever grateful for you

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<v Speaker 3>letting me share my story that way on the radio,

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<v Speaker 3>because it was the first time that I really told

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of those stories of my mental health struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks man. I love it, and I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 3>be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm so proud of what you are doing and

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<v Speaker 2>so excited about what you're doing. And that night I

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<v Speaker 2>get goosebumps and my hair stands up on my arms

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<v Speaker 2>just remembering the things we discussed that night. Let's do

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<v Speaker 2>this before we get to the incredible news, do a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of backtracking. It's set up for those who

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<v Speaker 2>may not be aware of what all is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell listeners what your mission is with the Mental Game podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, I mean I struggled from fourteen years old

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<v Speaker 3>on as a freshman at Lasal with suicidal thoughts all

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<v Speaker 3>the way through college and even when I got my

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<v Speaker 3>dream job working at WLWT and getting to do the

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<v Speaker 3>sports with George and Elise and the crew at Channel

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<v Speaker 3>five and covering the Bengal is going to the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>No one really knew that behind the scenes, I was

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<v Speaker 3>battling suicide every second, every day. For those three months

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<v Speaker 3>leading up to that Super Bowl run, I had three

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<v Speaker 3>family members passed away, including my cousin Ben, who's based

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<v Speaker 3>in my older brother. He had a heart attack at

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<v Speaker 3>thirty one. I dealt with all this pressure on me,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously at work, which I loved, but it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I always felt alone and wanted to have

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<v Speaker 3>that picture perfect you know, high school sweetheart, marriage and

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<v Speaker 3>family and kids like we do here in Cincinnati. And

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I finally found that person with that relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>with going through a really moment and break up and

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<v Speaker 3>toxic relationship, and so I get the rock bottom man

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<v Speaker 3>where at twenty eight I had to go to my

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<v Speaker 3>mom for the first time ever. He's the first person

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<v Speaker 3>I ever told like, I don't want to live anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to live and I need help.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is the first time I asked for help,

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<v Speaker 3>and I checked into a hospital at the Lender Center

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<v Speaker 3>Hope and Mason. That helped save my life the next day,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was the first step man. But it's been

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<v Speaker 3>a long, long journey since that day.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two, and your Mental Game podcast is

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<v Speaker 2>just blowing up and you it seems if I had

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<v Speaker 2>a map in front of me. You are traversing the

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<v Speaker 2>country talking with with athletes and celebrities and they are

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<v Speaker 2>opening up to you. And I'm struck by how comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>you make them in very uncomfortable conversations. They're opening up

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<v Speaker 2>to you about stuff like this. Give listeners an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of some of the people you've talked to over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the last few years.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I have to give Sam Hubbard credit. That guy

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<v Speaker 3>is a good friend of mine. Obviously a chance to

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<v Speaker 3>cover him with the Bengals and I was at Channel five,

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<v Speaker 3>but I texted him I had the idea, and I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I got this idea to talk with athletes about mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I try it with you? And he invited me

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<v Speaker 3>over to his house on an off day. I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up becoming the first ever episode, and without Sam it

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't happen. But man, it's been crazy. I mean it

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<v Speaker 3>started with Sam, Ricky Williams, one of my first guests,

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<v Speaker 3>Jake Frailey with the Reds when he was still in town.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's grown now where you know, I moved to

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<v Speaker 3>La almost two years ago. Now, I drove my car

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<v Speaker 3>out there, which is a long trick. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been able to sit down with people like Harry

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<v Speaker 3>Crews and it was the first time that he ever

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<v Speaker 3>opened up about being suicidal, and he chose to do

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<v Speaker 3>it with me because he felt comfortable with my vulnerability

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<v Speaker 3>in my story. And so to get to sit down

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<v Speaker 3>with some of these big time people in sports, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's Adam Schefter, Will Wade, Ted Carritt, you know, Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>shay Z or Nate Burlison, these people that you think

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<v Speaker 3>have nothing wrong and they're rich and they're strong, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're playing in the NFL, they're on TVs. Guess what

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<v Speaker 3>we all struggle. We all go through stuff. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I love what I've been able to do with the

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<v Speaker 3>pod and it's not something I ever dreamed of, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's become my true purpose. And really that purpose is

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<v Speaker 3>the in person stuff I get to do when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in schools or I'm at businesses, or I'm at LSU

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<v Speaker 3>with Joe Burrow's parents, talking to thousands of people about

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<v Speaker 3>mental health. Maybe for the first time they're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it because it's sports related. That's the whole goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Man your newest chapter is pretty dang incredible, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are the subject of the interview. Explain what happened yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>and who you talked to and who talked to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe every time I stay this sentence because

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<v Speaker 3>it's been a secret I've had to keep for about

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<v Speaker 3>three weeks. But I sat down with Oprah Winfrey, which

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<v Speaker 3>is insane to say out loud, and I got to

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<v Speaker 3>share my story with her. You know, I had. I

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<v Speaker 3>had this video that went viral about three weeks ago

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<v Speaker 3>where I talked about nothing It's related, not really mental health,

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<v Speaker 3>but my fear of never being a father or a

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<v Speaker 3>husband one day and I did not know that video

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<v Speaker 3>would change my life and get to Oprah and her

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk to me about it. It was incredible

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<v Speaker 3>to see the outpouring of messages from men and women.

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<v Speaker 3>But lance I'm talking about like, I went to bed

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<v Speaker 3>on a Friday night posted just not thinking anything, not

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<v Speaker 3>putting a ton of effort into it, and I woke

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<v Speaker 3>up and had millions of views. I mean, it's got

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<v Speaker 3>like fifteen million across three or four platforms. Now, I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard from people all over the world, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>those people was her producer, and I'm sitting at the

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<v Speaker 3>Roses with my mom, like I'm in town for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hours. I was speaking out Mountain ut her dame,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go to the Roses in Blue Ass with

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<v Speaker 3>my mom and I'm like, Mom, I just got an

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<v Speaker 3>email about Oprah, Like I don't know what this is,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I call the guy and it's legit and

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<v Speaker 3>long story short, Yeah, I was able to sit down

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<v Speaker 3>with her. She had this amazing episode with Scott Galloway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of the feature Gatsi's the great men's mental

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<v Speaker 3>health coach and author and professor at NYU, but the

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<v Speaker 3>whole episode was about male loneliness and so for about

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<v Speaker 3>eight to ten minutes they featured my story and I

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<v Speaker 3>got to have that conversation with Oprah and the audience,

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<v Speaker 3>and man, it was it was special and it was

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<v Speaker 3>really hard to hold on to until yesterday. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you're with one of the all time greats when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to TV and entertainment and just I mean Lance,

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<v Speaker 3>she's one of the top ten living people. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it's insane to say that, but it was really powerful. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some cool moments that I'll share here in a

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<v Speaker 3>sec but just to get the chance to sit with

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<v Speaker 3>her and have that conversation on a stage like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean my phone that I put it out yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pretty wild. I haven't stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said, it's about eight to ten minutes. Where

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<v Speaker 2>where did it take place? And how can listeners view?

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<v Speaker 2>Would watch it right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So she shot in New York. That's where we

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<v Speaker 3>sho She shoots these group ones kind of with a

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<v Speaker 3>fifty person audience. It kind of feels like her old show,

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<v Speaker 3>but in a podcast form. And so yeah, add on

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<v Speaker 3>the Open again. This sounds so weird to say out

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<v Speaker 3>loud because I'm just a normal dude, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>find me talking with Oprah on the Open podcast on

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<v Speaker 3>iHeartRadio and all of your podcast platforms, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just really special, man. I think what was

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<v Speaker 3>really cool She plays that video and I actually just

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<v Speaker 3>put this on Instagram right before you know, I hopped

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<v Speaker 3>on with you and she plays the video on Oprah

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<v Speaker 3>and I like kind of tear up together and she

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<v Speaker 3>pats her heart at me, and it was just like

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<v Speaker 3>this moment of man, Oprah's talking about my story and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on this platform and it's like, I had this

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<v Speaker 3>moment afterwards, and it's a it's we talk about my

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<v Speaker 3>dating life, my mental health journey, what I do with

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<v Speaker 3>the mental game, you know, the this vulnerability piece that

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<v Speaker 3>I think so many men are afraid to having because

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<v Speaker 3>we're told we're weak if we're emotional this BS that

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<v Speaker 3>isn't true, but we are fed our entire life. But

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<v Speaker 3>after the interview gets done, Lance, I walked backstage with

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<v Speaker 3>Oprah and I'm sitting there and we're having a conversation,

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<v Speaker 3>we take pictures, we hug, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>I just like hear this other person start running towards us,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're going, I love this branding guy. I got

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<v Speaker 3>to meet him and it's Gail King, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what is my life right now? Where I'm sitting backstage

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like the sandwich of an Oprah. Gail and

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<v Speaker 3>me hug. It was like the coolest thing ever. And

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<v Speaker 3>at that point, Oprah's you know team, they saw that,

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<v Speaker 3>like Gail and Oprah trusted me enough where it was

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<v Speaker 3>just us for like five minutes, and I got to

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<v Speaker 3>have that moment in my head where during that five

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<v Speaker 3>minutes of us talking and just telling each other's story

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<v Speaker 3>and connecting Adotta who we obviously they know everyone, but

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<v Speaker 3>like I have connection with Nate on my show and

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<v Speaker 3>CBS Morning. But I had like ten seconds in my

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<v Speaker 3>head man that I went, you are literally standing with

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<v Speaker 3>Oprah and Gail King in New York City getting to

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<v Speaker 3>do what you dreamed of, Like this is what all

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<v Speaker 3>those nights walking on the road, Lank, thinking about taking

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<v Speaker 3>your life, going to therapy, starting this thing, quitting your job,

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<v Speaker 3>driving uber, having no money, getting sober, like all this stuff. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>it was worth it in like that ten seconds. I

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<v Speaker 3>you talked to like people like Burrow or these athletes

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like, not just another game. They don't really

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<v Speaker 3>have time to soak it all in. I made sure that,

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<v Speaker 3>like I soaked that in for at least ten seconds

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<v Speaker 3>of that time because it was a special dude, man oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, And it kind of paint the picture of what

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<v Speaker 2>you cat. You do a lot of traveling. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're going to be in if I have

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<v Speaker 2>your itinerary or right, are you going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>Indian Saturday as part of an event around the IU

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<v Speaker 2>Loisville basketball game?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the care Source Invitational. I've got really Lucky

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<v Speaker 3>where we've been out with a partner, the Mental Game

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<v Speaker 3>and Care Source, thanks to the University of DAT and

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<v Speaker 3>the coach Grant you know, you know his story where

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<v Speaker 3>they lost their daughter Data and they started Javelite to

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<v Speaker 3>raise awareness for mental health and funds to help people

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<v Speaker 3>in the community. And started with one game with Dayton

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<v Speaker 3>three years ago and a town hall at ud and

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<v Speaker 3>now it's turned into this cross country tour. We have

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<v Speaker 3>three or four games each year. This one in India

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<v Speaker 3>is huge, man. Want it's on the day of the

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<v Speaker 3>Big ten title game with IU who's playing of course

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio State, but we're on national TV on CBS. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a huge game and it's all about mental health. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>they want to win on the court, but it's a

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<v Speaker 3>mental health awareness game. So what's really cool is the

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<v Speaker 3>day before so on Friday, both coaches and both teams

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<v Speaker 3>will join us at a local high school and will

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<v Speaker 3>surprise the kids and we have this big pep rally.

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<v Speaker 3>I do my fifteen minute keynote, really interacted, getting the

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<v Speaker 3>celebrities that I know involved, with teams involved, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they do drills with the players and coaches that get

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<v Speaker 3>to interact. It's a special, special thing that you see

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio State Zager, our old buddy coach cal and Arkansas

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<v Speaker 3>has done it with a couple of years too. It's

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<v Speaker 3>been really special, man. But yeah, I'm going there. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Dayton tomorrow and then I am in Indy this

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<v Speaker 3>weekend and back to LA. Before I'm obviously I was

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<v Speaker 3>in Texas and South Dakota and month. It's it's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>We got forty six states down, four.

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<v Speaker 2>To go, Brandon. I can't imagine that the power of

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<v Speaker 2>the connection you're making when when you take this message

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<v Speaker 2>to schools or businesses. There are two events and and

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the crowds you're talking to, and there's probably

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<v Speaker 2>moments where you make eye contact with somebody who may

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<v Speaker 2>be tearing up, and and just the connection and the

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<v Speaker 2>help you're offering them when you put your head on

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<v Speaker 2>the pillow at night, it's just got to make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel so good. The how you're impacting.

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<v Speaker 3>Lives, it is pretty crazy, man. It's like being on

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<v Speaker 3>Oprah is awesome. Getting to meet some of the people

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<v Speaker 3>and live in LA and rough shoulders with who I'm

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<v Speaker 3>rubbing shoulders with now is life changing. But the real

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<v Speaker 3>life changing and life saving stuff is what I get

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<v Speaker 3>to do when I'm at my alma mater at the

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<v Speaker 3>South and I get I get to talk to those

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<v Speaker 3>kids that were you know that I've been in their shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>Or I get to be at UC, or I get

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<v Speaker 3>to be at UD and with these businesses. Hey, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter if it's ten people in a high

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<v Speaker 3>school classroom or ten thousand in a basketball arena this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time I stay after and talk and meet with

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<v Speaker 3>people one on one as long as I possibly can,

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<v Speaker 3>and every time, at least one usually more come up

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<v Speaker 3>and say, hey, man, I never told anyone this, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm suicidal right now. I need help. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. Can you help me? And it breaks

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<v Speaker 3>my heart, but it also warms my heart because it

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<v Speaker 3>gives me that confidence that we're doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We're creating a safe space, and we always have resources

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<v Speaker 3>with us so we can help them in those moments.

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<v Speaker 3>And man, I'm not saying this is like a look

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<v Speaker 3>at me thing, but we've been to forty six states.

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<v Speaker 3>We've touched them up two hundred and fifty thousand lives

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<v Speaker 3>in person last year and a half, and man, my

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<v Speaker 3>goal is to finish off fifty and then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I got open on myself right now, let's go International's

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<v Speaker 3>Australia right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable, Oh incredible. For those listening who want to check

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<v Speaker 2>out the Mental Game podcast who want to maybe connect

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<v Speaker 2>with you about bringing your message to where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>tell them all the information they need how they can

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<v Speaker 2>seek you out and check out your.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff of course, Yeah, go to the Mental Dot Game.

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<v Speaker 3>The Mental Dot Game, you can see where I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to be at, but you can also hit us up

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<v Speaker 3>and email our team. I love to come to high schools,

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<v Speaker 3>middle schools, businesses. I'll tell you what, man, talking to

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<v Speaker 3>people our age that maybe don't talk about mental health

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<v Speaker 3>ever and breaking that that stigma with them is really

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<v Speaker 3>really special. You can see where I'm going to be at.

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<v Speaker 3>I love to meet up with people, make content videos

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<v Speaker 3>and just be able to have conversations. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>that obviously I'm in Cincinnati. I've got your studio twice

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<v Speaker 3>today due to separate times. But I'm two hours late

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<v Speaker 3>to the family party that I had to celebrate Oprah,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna hang up and go party with the

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<v Speaker 3>West for a little bit tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love you, man, I love you too, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy for you and so proud of what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing. And uh, just keep it rolling and definitely

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<v Speaker 2>keep in touch and keep keep doing what you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>and making the impact you're making.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it, man, and thank you for letting me

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<v Speaker 3>do that with you so many times on this platform.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we're going to help a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Man in the triphy sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Brandon, awesome, Thank you.