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Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of Mace in Your Face

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Speaker 1: is now along with college football Immortality Glenn Mason.

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Speaker 2: Here's Dan Burrero. Jack's Cafe helps bring Glenn Mason to

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Speaker 2: the to the masses each and every week on the

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Speaker 2: A Bumper to Bumper program. We are contractually obligated to

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Speaker 2: have you on the air between four and five every Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: You have to put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Does that seem negative?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, you know, really, you know, you disappoint

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Speaker 3: me though.

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Speaker 2: Because that wouldn't be the first time, would it.

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Speaker 3: I knew you'd take a shot like that when I

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Speaker 3: was sitting.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get your cold.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you know what, a lesser man probably

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be any tough kaya tough, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: feel bad if you go on to those things.

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Speaker 2: You just sounded. It's like a head cold.

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Speaker 3: I don't have my normal goal voice.

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Speaker 2: No you don't. It's a little bit more nasally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Usually yeah, and I mean stayed away. People don't

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Speaker 3: want to be around me anyway. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: in the in the in the as I call it,

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Speaker 3: the kitchen, back kitchen where he's got all his food,

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Speaker 3: and uh, I thought you'd be a little bit nicer

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Speaker 3: where he came in there, but you just you know,

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Speaker 3: boom right there the same winning. The only reason you're

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Speaker 3: talking to me is because you have to do it,

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Speaker 3: because you're obligated by a contract.

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Speaker 2: Here is the toss up question regarding Lane Kiffin. Curious

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Speaker 2: to know write six one two guy. If Glenn Mason

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Speaker 2: has ever done hot yoga like Lane kiffins.

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Speaker 3: No, but I've been thinking about doing it. I don't

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Speaker 3: even know what hot yoga is. You know, I do

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Speaker 3: cold yoga in the morning with some granola, and that's different.

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Speaker 3: I probably should. I know that stuff is good for you,

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Speaker 3: flexibility and all that stuff. I know he is, uh,

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Speaker 3: he is really dedicated to it, you know. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that cleans this system out of all that

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Speaker 3: other stuff that he's put in. What do you mean

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Speaker 3: by well he's that's some issues you don't get fired

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Speaker 3: out on the tarmac at USC and then you know

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Speaker 3: they're standing citizen.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this to guards he yesterday. We talked about

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Speaker 2: it briefly with him, but I got to get your

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Speaker 2: view on it, because when the debate broke out about

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Speaker 2: whether Kiffin should be allowed to coach ole Miss through

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Speaker 2: the tournament. I was surprised at the number of media jackals,

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Speaker 2: despite you know them being critical of Kiffen previously, who said, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: players want him to do it, the school should rise

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Speaker 2: above that and absolutely let the let him play that out.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that's practical. What and now you're

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Speaker 2: a coach though, so you tell me, is.

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Speaker 3: It a different situation because there's a good chance they're

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Speaker 3: going to be in the college football playoffs? Yeah, you know, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: And you know so I think if it wasn't that,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people say, who cares, you know, either

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Speaker 3: coaches or doesn't coach. But if ole misses, he can't coach,

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Speaker 3: and the committee, in their infinite wisdom, uses that as

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Speaker 3: an excuse not to let them get in the tournament.

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Speaker 3: They're punishing the players, no question. You remember, I think

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Speaker 3: it was Florida State when they the quarterback got injured

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Speaker 3: them in a four team playoff. So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a delicate situation. They had an unbelievable year.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he's a big part of it. The players are

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Speaker 3: a bigger part of it, and in this day and

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Speaker 3: age of the college football playoff. You know, if it

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Speaker 3: if they were on the edge of getting in or out.

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Speaker 3: But maybe Ole Miss isn't going to get in again

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Speaker 3: in the near future. So I hope that the committee

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Speaker 3: they look at it like you should look at it

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Speaker 3: and say, our first concerns for the players, and they

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Speaker 3: should begin with or without Lane Kiffen and I I personally,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure he wanted the coach anyway that despite

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Speaker 3: what it sounds good. In fact, I'll tell you I

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Speaker 3: delaying and delaying and delaying. Oh, it's such a tough decision.

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Speaker 3: I do not buy that, is there.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk about, well, what needs

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Speaker 2: Do you buy that is.

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Speaker 3: I think the whole thing is broke. I do. I

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Speaker 3: and so you know, you can't please everybody. So I

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Speaker 3: think you got to look at it, and when you

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Speaker 3: to do Coaches have done it forever, and that's true.

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Speaker 3: But the one mistake people make that I always talked about,

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Speaker 3: you know, in Pro football, and I heard Nick Saban

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Speaker 3: kind of talk about it. Pro football, a contracts a

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Speaker 3: contract there was if you sign a contract with the team.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you started a contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 3: for a million dollars a year, five year contract. If

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Speaker 3: they fire you after one year, they only four million

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Speaker 3: you're not going anywhere. Well, the difference all the contracts

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Speaker 3: in college are different. You know. I never had to

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Speaker 3: buy out any place that I've been, and someone they

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Speaker 3: thought it was wrong. My issue was always every place

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Speaker 3: Here's the deal. If you signed me to a five

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Speaker 3: owe me four million. If I leave you after one year,

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Speaker 3: I owe you four million. And that's a contract. You

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Speaker 3: know what. Schools don't want to do that. They want

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Speaker 3: So we don't like it, so they pay you a fraction.

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Speaker 2: At Kifflin had sent out a statement three days ago,

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, confirming after a lot of prayer

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Speaker 2: request to do so regarding you to finish, you know,

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Speaker 2: and coaching coach the team in the postseason was denied

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Speaker 2: by Keith Carter. Is that the ad mus Keith Carter,

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Speaker 2: despite the team also asking him to allow me to

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Speaker 2: keep coaching them. Now, what's interesting is today, I believe

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, but I would speculate I would

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Speaker 3: know those players, they have a lot of pride, sure

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Speaker 3: and and shun. You know, when the coach says, well

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Speaker 3: I'm leaving, I'm going to a different place, they don't

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Speaker 3: like that. You know. It's how about us? You know,

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Speaker 3: you've told us this is the best place to go.

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Speaker 3: You've recruited us, you told us we could win a

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Speaker 3: you say I don't make decisions on money. I find

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Speaker 3: it interesting that he said he had to prey on it,

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Speaker 3: he has to define praying because he called Nick Saban

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Speaker 2: Those their deities.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know they were connected that way.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point. Well, I mentioned in there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you were still in the room.

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Speaker 2: I went through this covering the Georgia National championship team

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Speaker 2: in eighty Back then, as you know, it was basically

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Speaker 2: rankings is how you picked. And they were undefeated. That

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Speaker 2: regular season, Georgia undefeated, They're gonna play Notre Dame in

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Speaker 2: the Sugar Bowl.

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Speaker 2: In between, Auburn has fired it's coach. They're looking for

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Speaker 2: But then it was the same situation about well, you know,

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can see I don't know if he was

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Speaker 2: I remember him talking to the reporters me included saying,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't quite the way it had been described that

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Speaker 2: So it just goes to show you it doesn't always

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Speaker 2: go in that circumstance, because, as you say, players, they

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, I tell you how it went for me.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned Georgia. Yes, I took the George.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about that.

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Speaker 3: And we had had a great season at Kansas and

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Speaker 3: we were off to play UCLA in the Bowl Game,

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Speaker 3: and before we're going to leave, I interviewed for the

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Speaker 3: Georgia job, and I didn't think I was gonna get it,

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Speaker 3: but I got it. I took it. And but Vince

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Speaker 3: Dilley told me that the athletic director at Kansas, one

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Speaker 3: So you can do that. So I did. And probably

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Speaker 3: And I talked to the team in the morning we

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Speaker 3: I can tell you that you know that I was leaving. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I said, why, He said, you got to win too

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Speaker 2: beat Michigan than even to win the national championship.

432
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Speaker 4: Is that?

433
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Speaker 2: Is that true? I'm not saying they should think that way,

434
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: but are there idiots who sink that way.

435
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're idiots. It's easy for you to.

436
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: Say, pretty close, you don't you want to win the whole.

437
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Speaker 3: Thing if you let me finish, He asked the questions, Yeah,

438
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: it's on the idiots in there. So I had to respond, well,

439
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: I think that would be the older generation that grew

440
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 3: up that. I mean that. I used to have these

441
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: conversations with Jerry DeNardo All. He absolutely couldn't comprehend it,

442
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 3: the emphasis that was put on that game. Now, I

443
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: lived it, you know, I lived it as a player,

444
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: I lived it as a coach, and that game meant everything. Now,

445
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: typically it was translated to going to the Rose Bowl. Now,

446
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure you might be able to find some old timers,

447
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: big ten schools that said, in the old day, would

448
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: you rather go to the Rose ball which to beat

449
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: the college football players? I would rather go to the

450
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: Rose play You look at you look at Indiana. If

451
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: there's no college football playoff, they're going to pass the d. True,

452
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: they're there. They hadn't been there since sixty seven, So

453
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: so I think there are some people like that. I

454
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 3: think it's changing because especially what happened last year. Now.

455
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: I said this one time before. I really believe if

456
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Speaker 3: they hadn't expanded the college football playoff the twelve teams,

457
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Speaker 3: I don't think Ryan David, the coach of Ohio.

458
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Speaker 2: State, Yeah, I agree with you on that.

459
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Speaker 3: Four straight losses, No, and he wouldn't have been a

460
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Speaker 3: fourteen playoff. That wouldn't have been the cancer.

461
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: So what chance do you give my Hoosiers?

462
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Speaker 3: Good States? Really good? Yeah? I think the Hoosiers are

463
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: really good. I mean, you know, uh, they've they've proven

464
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: in good getting people that they're supposed to beat, manned,

465
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 3: they beat them. You think about the producer what they've

466
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: scored fifty three points or something like that.

467
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Speaker 2: No, I mean fifty six, yes, whatever it was, it

468
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Speaker 2: was sixty three.

469
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Speaker 3: Right, fifty sixty three. I think they got all the

470
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: ingredients when I watched and play. They got a quarterback

471
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Speaker 3: that I think, how about this? I think you should

472
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: win the Heisman Trophy. I think either he how about this?

473
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 3: Or the quarterback down at Vanderbilt. Those are the two

474
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: greatest stories in college football right now, those two guys.

475
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: But when you look at statistically in everything with the

476
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Speaker 3: Mendoza kid, he's superior to the kid at a high state,

477
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: except the kid at a high state place for o

478
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: high state and just the perception. But he got a

479
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: real good quarterback, he got good receivers. They run the ball,

480
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: they've got a very efficient offensive line, they play aggressive defense. Yeah,

481
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think it'll be a heck

482
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: of a game. Well, and you know what can happen

483
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: in any game. Yeah, you know, sure you can win

484
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: the game, more if or not you lose the game, turnover, interception, mistake,

485
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: whatever it may be.

486
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: The counter I'm getting via text is the loser the

487
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: big tentile game likely have to play an extra game.

488
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: The winner will get.

489
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Speaker 2: A first round by I've heard people say both unless

490
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Speaker 2: it's like, unless Indiana loses by forty or something like that,

491
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: that both teams, regardless of who wins or loses this game,

492
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: both those teams still should merit a bye in the

493
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Speaker 2: first round.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at it, let's let's either one

495
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: let's say they lose by a field goal. Yeah, okay,

496
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: and now that you have one loss, well, what other

497
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: one loss team has a better record or that than them?

498
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Speaker 2: A better quality loss too?

499
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: You're right? Yeah, so I I you know I think

500
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: that I don't think that's what the committee would really like,

501
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: but it'll it'll be interesting how this plays out with

502
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 3: these twelve teams, you know, the Loo the name get in.

503
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're in.

504
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: You know, you look at Texas, but they have three losses.

505
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: He's politics in the game. How does he get him

506
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: with three losses? Yeah, Now he talks about the teams

507
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: that he beat, but he doesn't want to talk about

508
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Speaker 3: the teams he lost to.

509
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Speaker 2: That's the fatal thing.

510
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Speaker 3: And that's and that even that discussion minimizes the regular

511
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Speaker 3: season even more.

512
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Let's get our bottom of the hour pause, lots more

513
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: to get to with Mason your face. We'll get his

514
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: reaction to, uh, the Gophers knocking off the Wisconsin Badgers

515
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: in one of the one of several snow globe games

516
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: and the Big Ten almost it felt like almost all

517
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Speaker 2: of the outdoor games were in snowy kind of you know,

518
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: esthetically pleasing condition conditions for those of us who grew

519
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Speaker 2: up with outdoor football, and Mace's usually got a couple

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Speaker 2: Gophers finish with a seventeen to seven victory over the Badgers,

535
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Speaker 2: before we get to your reaction to that and then

536
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: the overall feelings about the the go for season. I

537
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: don't know if we've talked about this before over the years.

538
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: I I'm not saying I always want to see every

539
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: game played in wintry conditions. Okay. I get the people

540
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: who say, well, you don't really see the best of

541
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: the players all the times in those conditions. But I

542
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: will tell you and maybe it's the you know, very

543
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: romantic as you know, and maybe it's the romantic in me,

544
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: the sentimental in me that grew up with you know,

545
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: football in those conditions. And said I loved watching a

546
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: series of games over the weekend in the Big Ten

547
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: in which the snow and cold and wind, We're all

548
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: part of the deal. Did you like coaching in those

549
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: kinds of conditions. Yeah, I thought it was part of

550
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: the deal. I was a traditionalist so to speak. You know,

551
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: when I was advocating for an outdoor stadium, a lot

552
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: of people say, you know, you're crazy.

553
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: We're in Minnesota. So wait a minute. The weather in Minnesota.

554
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: My belief is it much different up until about Thanksgiving

555
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: than it is in Lancey, Michigan, or ann or Army

556
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: or Lincoln, Nebraska or whatever. And the proof of that, yeah,

557
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: we had snow here. Who didn't have snow?

558
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

559
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: You know, the two worst games snow games. The most

560
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: blizzard type conditions that I coached as coached in was

561
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: one when I was a player at a high state

562
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: against Purdue next to last week and lucky we went.

563
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: Then we won the next week against Michigan. And then

564
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: when I was at Kansas, we played in two blizzard games,

565
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: one in Boulder, Colorado and one in Stillwater, Oklahoma. Go figure. Wow.

566
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah it was fun.

567
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And was it like blizzard kind of conditions just

568
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: like wind and yeah, it.

569
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Speaker 3: Was both those games, especially in still Water. It wasn't

570
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: that cold, but they were windy and snowy and you know,

571
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: to the place where you couldn't see the field. I

572
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: mean it was and remarkably, the play was pretty good.

573
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: Wasn't too sloppy, Yeah, which is amazing, all right, Gophers.

574
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: Wisconsin had actually shown a little life. They think they'd

575
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: knocked off a couple of ranked teams. Defensively, they were

576
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: pretty good actually much of the season. They just couldn't

577
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: get much going offensively, and it was to turn the

578
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: game that guards he was at was a snow globe

579
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: game for for sure.

580
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: I actually, Guardian, I haven't talked about it much. So

581
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Wisconsin cuts it to ten to seven on that late

582
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: reversal on the touchdown pass that was that replay called

583
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: good after I've been called in complete right before the

584
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: right before the half, literally, so it's ten to seven.

585
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: Wisconsin gets the ball to start the same half, I

586
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: think with the backup QB right the second QB guardsy

587
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: and there he's winging it like he's Joe Montana. I mean,

588
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: he's just weighing it and they're going right on the

589
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: field until interception. He gets under cut. Not a very

590
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: good throw and it wasn't a pick six, but it

591
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: was close and everything changed. I thought from that point forward,

592
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: I thought the Gophers might have been a little bit

593
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: of trouble at that point if Wisconsin had followed that

594
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: through and scored, but they didn't. So what did you

595
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: make of the game, and what do you make of

596
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: the season for the Gophers?

597
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: Good questions. I think I think it was an okay season.

598
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: You know, I think anytime that you had you know,

599
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: it's not really hard to get Bowl Elgemer or if

600
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: you don't get Bill Els, well it's a bad year.

601
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: But you know, they played well at home, not too

602
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: well on the road. Most part, they beat the teams

603
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: they should have beat, didn't beat the teams that you know,

604
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: probably were better than them. You know what, I didn't

605
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: see that entire game. I was busy out east. But

606
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: to me, it was amazing. Statistics guards Hee, like I

607
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: always tell you a figures lion liars, figure can be misleading,

608
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: But when you look at the stats of that game,

609
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: you look at the stats of the game, you would

610
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: have thought Wisconsin would have won the football game with

611
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: the exception of three turnovers. Now that's part of the game,

612
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: right it is. But you know, Minnesota's offense with a

613
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: quarterback that I think is pretty good. They really don't

614
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: have a lot of offense. I mean, I think they

615
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: had like less than two hundred and twenty yards total offense.

616
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Speaker 3: I think my concern, if I was PJ. Flake, which

617
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm not, is our inability to run the football, you know,

618
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: which has been quite consistent on almost every occasion. You know,

619
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: with the exception, I think of maybe one, but you know,

620
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: it was okay. I think that I don't know what's

621
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: happened to the Wisconsin program. I thought Luke Fickel was

622
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: a was a home run higher And right now you

623
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: talk about a guy that's on the hot Seaum, I

624
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: mean he got he got to win. I'm say he's

625
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: got to win big, but he's he needs a good

626
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: season next year. They've they've grown impatient there from what

627
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: they're they're used to. And he's not the only one.

628
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: I think that the that Mike Loxley at Maryland's on

629
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: the hot seat, and I think Greg Ciano at Rutgers

630
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: is on the hot seat. You know, he goes a

631
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: certain time and then people want to know why you're

632
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: not Indiana whatever. They don't look at themselves and and

633
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: something happens.

634
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: They got to get I mean, Wisconsin still is about

635
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: you got to get a quarterback, right, and I don't

636
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: know who they have.

637
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: I mean they were down at number four. I think

638
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: weren't they or something. I don't know. You know, he

639
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: went in there and he uh, you know, everybody over

640
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: uses the word culture, but systematically he changed them. You know,

641
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: everybody knows what Wisconsin's been for a long time, big

642
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. And you can't stop the run. You've got

643
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: a long day play action pass. You know, you know

644
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: when too long ago. I forget that they Wisconsin ran

645
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: for over five hundred yards against Nebraska in the Big

646
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: Ten championship game, which is kind of crazy.

647
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any like contract extension remorse in Lincoln?

648
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: I think didn't it. Ultimately, I think Nebraska finished with

649
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: below five hundred in the conference. I think they finished

650
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: four and five. So I know, I think you're a

651
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Matt Rule guy. I'm not saying a bad coach, but

652
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: I you know, honestly.

653
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: What you know, I base guys on what they've done. Yeah,

654
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: and I saw what he did at Temple, and I

655
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: thought what he did at Baylor and just a terrible,

656
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: terrible situation was unbelievable. I discount pro football because that's

657
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: a different bird. But when they hired him out there,

658
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: I thought, I really did. I said, if this guy

659
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: can't turn it around, no one's ever going to turn

660
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: it around out there. I don't think anybody's going to

661
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: get him back to the days of the nineties with

662
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, three national championships, in the days where they

663
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: just rolled overybody with you Tom the Big Eight Conference,

664
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: which people can't remember. I can as a different bird,

665
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: you know, anytime there was different rules and regulations in

666
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: the Big Eight that you know make them pretty darn successful.

667
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: Texter. This is from seven to six to three. Guy

668
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: wants your thoughts on getting rid of the conference championship games,

669
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: going to a sixteen team playoff starting the week after

670
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: the season, and salary cap of twenty five million dollars

671
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: and players only can use portal once unless the head

672
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: coach or position coaches leave.

673
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: Obviously it's well thought out. You know, it's sounds like

674
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: you need to collect the bargaining agreement to get that.

675
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: It sounds like pro football. You know, I would not

676
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: be opposed to getting rid of the conference championship game.

677
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: You know, if you go the whole way, you're playing

678
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: sixteen games. High State played at fifteen because they didn't

679
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: play in the championship game. But sixteen games if you're

680
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 3: one of those teams that's in it just about every year,

681
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: and I think it's meaningless. You know, played the regular season,

682
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: you know, you know when I went to I talk

683
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: about this all the time. When I went to High State,

684
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: we played nine games, and then it was ten, was eleven,

685
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: and then after I was done coaching, it went to twelve.

686
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: Uh and along with that, you know, used to have

687
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: to be pretty darn good to get a ball game.

688
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: Everybody gets a ball game. Now, you know it's crazy. Hey,

689
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: how about this. Though you don't think Jimmy Sex is

690
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: a good agent, Lane Kiffin's gonna get his bull bonus

691
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: from all from all miss Y has some good negotiating.

692
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: Well, everybody tells me he is the most powerful man

693
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: in college football. I don't think I got any coach.

694
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: He's the guy.

695
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that. You know what I think

696
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: I told you the story about this. He went to

697
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: Tennessee and Reggie White. He we're good friends. Reggie White

698
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: was a great football bay when he got they knew

699
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: each other in the dorm. When he got drafted, he

700
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 3: went to Jimmy. He said, Jimmy, how much to represented?

701
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: He said, what do you think he's You're the smartest

702
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: guy that I know? And he was right. You know,

703
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: but in the sec he's got about every coach under cos.

704
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: What's the percentage he gets? By the way, Yeah, so

705
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: three percent of these deals? That's pretty good. Okay, you

706
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: think thank he's doing all right?

707
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: Yes, for sure. Yeah, he's not worring. Where's get his

708
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: next meal?

709
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: Island?

710
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: And if he gets endorsements, I think he gets ten.

711
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: Pretty good, Giga, you can get it more. I know

712
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: Mace's got a couple things stuck in his craw a

713
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: couple of their texts to get to as well. In

714
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: our final segment, with him top five at five and

715
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: Kessler yet to come out at six, Guardie, is this

716
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: breaking college football news? Texter nine to five to two? Guy,

717
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: I have a coach. Kurt Farrence, the nation's longest tenured

718
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: coach in the FBS, will return in twenty twenty six

719
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: for a twenty eighth season with the Hawkeyes. Farrence seventy

720
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: confirmed his expected return today, telling reporters he has the

721
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: support of his wife Mary and is in good health.

722
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: In September, he surpassed Ohio State's Woody Hayes for the

723
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: most coaching wins at a Big Ten school. So that

724
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: must have I mean, I guess it was not surprising necessarily,

725
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: but now confirming that he's coming back next year, what

726
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: do you think?

727
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: Man?

728
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he talked about it that their signing day

729
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: press conference. Okay, that's how it came up. He was

730
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: doing media and it came up and he said, yeah,

731
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 4: I expect to be back.

732
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, you know it happened, said, using instant recruiting, say,

733
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: you know when you go there, Oh, Kirk's not going

734
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: to be there, you know. Yeah, right after signing dates,

735
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: he's in a good Hey. I got to tell you

736
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: one thing for I forget though. You know, I like

737
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: things that are reliable. You know that, and that's why

738
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: you like me.

739
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: That's right, reliably, unreliable, unprofessional, that's uncalled for.

740
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: Actually, I traveled over the holiday and I had an

741
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: early morning flight, and you know, when you have our

742
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: man Todd Anderson and Kerry Limo. Yeah, supposed to pick

743
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: you up at four thirty am. About four point fifteen,

744
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 3: they're there. And you don't have to sweat it because

745
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: I've in the past before I was dealing with those guys,

746
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: you had one of those early morning flights you weren't

747
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: sure correct, you know, and the guy get lost or whatever.

748
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: And and now I don't worry about it.

749
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: Where's I had a couple more texts on do you

750
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: have something on your list that we haven't covered yet?

751
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: First of all, talking about coaches, what is going on

752
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: at Penn State? What do you mean they were the

753
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: first guy to fire somebody? Yea, and they still haven't

754
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: hired a coach.

755
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: They're making it a very thorough search, thorough citing that

756
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: I think it was today and it's.

757
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: Crazy Pat Craft, the ad who I don't know. They

758
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: got to be pulling their hair out there. You know.

759
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: It's I think the way to go if you're contemplating

760
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: firing new coach. And I think they were with James

761
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: Franklin or they wouldn't have done in season. You like

762
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: to see what they they do at Michigan State, you know,

763
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: boom boom. The deal was done with Patids show. You

764
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: know probably think if we don't get this guy, we're

765
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 3: not going to fire that guy. But you see more

766
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: of that now. You got to move quickly. There's too

767
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: much at stake. And if you put a big committee

768
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: together and they can't make a decision, the only thing

769
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 3: I can figure are they waiting for a pro guy

770
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: that has to wait until his contract's done. I don't know,

771
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 3: it's kind of crazy, that's true.

772
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: Jonathan writes. My alma mater is a local college currently

773
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: looking for a new college football coach. What characteristics is

774
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: Mace believe are most needed characteristics for a college coach

775
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: to possess And how much is your answer today different

776
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: than it might have been ten years ago.

777
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to tell me the situation that at

778
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: level that you're in. And I've always thought that if

779
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: it's a program that's been struggling that needs to be

780
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: turned around, if you can find somebody that's been part

781
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: of one of those programs that understands it, that's not

782
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: going to be a victim of knee jerk reaction. Every

783
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: time you hit a bump in the road, they change direction.

784
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: Because there's going to be lots of bumps in the road,

785
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 3: and all too often you see what happens is whoever's

786
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: making a decision hires a guy that's going to win

787
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: the press conference, and then a couple of years later

788
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: they're going through the same thing. Any names come to mind, No,

789
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: not at all.

790
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: No, No, there's not so many top of top of

791
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: your head.

792
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: No. I was talking about a program that had to

793
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: be turned around.

794
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: I see, okay, tend to round Jeff and Monticello Dan

795
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: to keep on the football theme. To Mace, I would

796
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: ask how much longer could PJ. Fleck keep his job?

797
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: After nine years, he's thirty nine and forty in the

798
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: Big Ten? This year he beat five Big Ten teams

799
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: with an overall record of nine and thirty six. No

800
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: wins against teams with winning records? Or does he just

801
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: keep coaching because things will never change to the University

802
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: of Minnesota.

803
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, well, I hear that a lot people say

804
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: that to me, And I'll say, Okay, if you're tired

805
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: of PJ, who are you going to get? Who are

806
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 3: you going to get better than him? Tell me that

807
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: in this culture and everything, who are you going to get?

808
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: And they have no answer. Now they might come up

809
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: with an answer, Oh, we could have got Lane kiffing. No,

810
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 3: you can't get Lane Kiffin, you know, and I wouldn't.

811
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't hire him anyway. But my point is you

812
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: have to be you have to be realistic. And the

813
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: thing that that makes it even tougher is some of

814
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: these salaries at some of these places where assistant coaches

815
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: are making really you know, some guys are thinking, you know,

816
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna stay here and his assistant coach

817
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: at two million dollars a year and I don't have

818
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: all the headaches. You know, my phone's not ringing, bad game,

819
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm not going to the press conference. I mean there's

820
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: some guys thinking about that.

821
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: Did you know Monty Kiffin at all?

822
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I have no money for a long

823
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: long time. I knew money when I was at Iowa

824
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: State and he was the defensive coordinator at Nebraska, and

825
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: I thought Mony was just a gem of a guy.

826
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Everybody it's the old deal of you know, the contrast. Yeah,

827
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: and look, not everybody's wired the same, but I mean,

828
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: you can't get any different. I don't think a personality

829
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: standpoint between Monty kiff and.

830
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a story when I was out of coaching,

831
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: and and you know the Southeast Conference, all those towns

832
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: they have a thing where they have a Monday quarterback

833
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: club and it's a big thing, yes, and they look

834
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: to get a different guy. So I was available, being

835
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 3: a former Big Tang coach. So I made the rounds

836
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: a lot of those places, and I spoke at the

837
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: one in Knoxville and it was really good. Then I

838
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: went over to their facility where they were and I

839
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: walked in and Money was He wasn't around. But I

840
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: walked in and I identify myself to Lane Kiffin's secretary

841
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: and I said, I just I know he's busy, only

842
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: just say a load on him. So she got up,

843
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: she went in there, and she came back. She said

844
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: he's too busy. I said, no problem.

845
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: OK, so now we know why you don't like him.

846
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: No. No, So then I walked down the hall. Who

847
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: run into I run into Money? Hey, Hey what Money is?

848
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: You know? Yes? And he said do you say hello

849
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: to Lane? And I said, well, I stopped by there,

850
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: but he say said he was too busy, So he

851
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: did huh. He walked in, he walk to the office,

852
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: He walked right in there closed the door. I heard

853
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 3: him reaming them in there, who do you think you are?

854
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: You know? And a couple of minutes later, Lane came

855
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: out and he said, oh, coach, I didn't know you're here.

856
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 3: Come out in Can I get you a cup of cafe?

857
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: He said, talk? But that's the.

858
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffman came back tail between his legs. Obviously spent

859
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: a lot of time here. I mean, but these were

860
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: of those he isn't. I always think about the game

861
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: of football as being the look that Montie Kiffin is

862
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: like one of those glue guys. Well you know what

863
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying, where they make the whole thing go around,

864
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: because here's a million places. It's just a good, solid

865
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: football guy and assistant coach correct at all levels.

866
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a uh, there's a lot of

867
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: guys that played football. There's a lot of guys that

868
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: like football. There's a few guys that love football, I

869
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: mean love yeah, okay, and I and I can tell

870
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: you the ones that have played for me that were

871
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: like that. And then in this day and age, more

872
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: and more you have two types of coaches out there.

873
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: You have guys that loved to coach and you have

874
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: guys that loved being the coach because of everything that

875
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: goes with Now, okay, well may would come to those

876
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: guys that really loved coaching. I mean, he thought and

877
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: talked football twenty four seven, three sixty five, and he

878
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: always had time to sit down and be with you

879
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: and do all those things. And I remember when obviously,

880
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: I know when I was at Iowa State, but then

881
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: he was at Arkansas and I visited Arkansas and he

882
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: was down there for the defensive coordinator for Lou Holls.

883
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: And that's when he used to smoke cigarettes NonStop and

884
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: drink coffee, you know, And as soon as he had

885
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: a free mon here, I want to talk to you.

886
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: Sit down. What are you doing? You know you got

887
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: going in and going hey, I saw Michigan play. What

888
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: are they? He was great to be around.

889
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: What a characters it really was. Yeah, it's very very true.

890
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 3: We're late.

891
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: But I'm going to throw one last one out and

892
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: see if you can answer this fairly quickly. This from

893
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: lawyer Tom seventh to six three guys. Idea would be nice,

894
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't work. Mace joked about a collective barneying agreement.

895
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: But that is actually what you would need to have

896
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: a salary cap. Otherwise you've got anti trust violations and problems,

897
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: and you have no union to bargain with to get

898
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: a CBA. And there's really no way to get a

899
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: union of college players because there's too many possible members

900
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: and some of them aren't even legal. Adults can't be

901
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: held legally to a contract. So is that the answer?

902
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as you joke about a CBA,

903
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: is that where we're headed?

904
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: Almost? Wells to the lawyer, lawyer Tom, I'm not a

905
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: lawyer obviously. Yeah, I'd like to be a lawyer, though,

906
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure you big time for what reasons? Uh? You

907
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: you what do you call it when you defame somebody?

908
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: Huh? You have to prove malice? Well, I could prove anything, Yeah,

909
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: and you might actually might be able to.

910
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it. And that's the problem.

911
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Everybody knows the problem football. No one has any idea

912
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: yeah for the solution. I kind of laugh a little

913
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: bit when they say, oh, you don't need when excited

914
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: to be the bizarre football. Well, a lot of the

915
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: things that were dealing, and Nick was a smart coach.

916
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: He figured around. You know the reason why the staffs

917
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: exploded the way. Didn't Nick figured a way around it.

918
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: You know, we used to have hard and fast regulations

919
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: on staff. You could have a head coach, you have

920
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: nine assistants. You could have an administrative assistant, recruiting coordinate

921
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: and two gas. That was it. Well, he figured out

922
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: in the weight room there's no limit, so he had unlimited.

923
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: GA in the weight room, working.

924
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: With every position. I mean, I give him credit. You know,

925
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 3: I wish I would have thought of that. They wouldn't

926
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: want to create. They wouldn't let me do it.

927
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm not here, No mother mature. Well, because they were,

928
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: they got stung, they got put on probation. Not you,

929
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: but obviously the whole clumb deal, they were all. It

930
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: made him run scared forever.

931
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know what I'm saying, Well, all right.

932
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: I hope your cold gets better.

933
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 3: You really feel sorry for me, of.

934
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: Course I do. I mean, but I don't think you're

935
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you're hurting that much. I

936
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: think you sound worse than you.

937
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: See. I came here.

938
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: I just don't want to get what you have, and

939
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: don't get near Kessler because he's a germafol I just.

940
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: Want to tell you I came here today not because

941
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: I was contractedly obligated. I came here because I'm committed.

942
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: You are to Dan Barrero and the Bumper and Bumper Show.

943
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: How's that bumper to bumper changed?

944
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: Change as well? I have a good We'll see you

945
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: see you back here next week. Are you going back

946
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: to Fargo? No, you're being from here? Okay, good enough, Hoosiers.

947
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: Ohio State picked the winner. Hoosiers, Seriously, yeah, I hope

948
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: you're right. You got a nice Who are you picking?

949
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm picking Ohio State. Not a lack of faith, I

950
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: just think that. But I think they're good. But I

951
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: have a hunch on Ohio State.

952
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: Everybody wants. I believe in cinderellatives.

953
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: That's there's no question.

954
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: Yes they have that.

955
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: They got a little that startusk going. There's no question

956
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: they prove that at the end of the Penn State camp.

957
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: With the three million dollar quarterback.

958
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, just like Cinderella.

959
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 3: You know what you quick crying, just like right, because

960
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 3: let me tell you, you're such a go get someone

961
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: to belly up and get a four quick crying geez.

962
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: Love was crying.

963
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 4: I just don't call it Cinderella, Yes it were, don't

964
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: call it Cinderella.

965
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: Well, whatever it is, it's everybody's in India is having

966
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: a good time with it, that's for sure. Everyone else

967
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: is doing it. But if you can gain, if you

968
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: can get, if you can glomb onto it, you do

969
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: it right.

970
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: You know what. You might not like it, but if

971
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna play the game, that's the rules right now.

972
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: Top five will include vikings, injury report.

973
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: That's what we'll have time for.