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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Welcome this Wednesday afternoon in

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Speaker 1: the tri States. So much going on. Weather's getting better.

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Speaker 1: We have walkouts by Princeton High School students in opposition

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Speaker 1: to police and law enforcement. We have a grooming bill

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Speaker 1: in Frankfort which might become law at some point. We

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Speaker 1: have the microphone seized from the hands of Congress from

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey at Oldham County. People are angry about that.

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Speaker 1: So much going on, Plus we have the Guthrie matter

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Speaker 1: with all the answers to all those issues. Is Rob

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Speaker 1: Sanders County Prosecutor and Rob welcome again to the Bill

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Speaker 1: Cunningham Show. First of all, let's deal. We're gonna deal

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Speaker 1: with this later today. Princeton High School had a circumstance

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Speaker 1: where the teachers, administrators, and some students wanted to walk

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Speaker 1: out in protest of law enforcement, specifically ICE, and they

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Speaker 1: wanted to stop school et cetera, which is sweeping the country.

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Speaker 1: Is there any of that happened in northern ENTI Talucky

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Speaker 1: to your.

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Speaker 2: Knowledge, Willie.

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Speaker 3: First of all, thanks for having me back on.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's great to be back on your show,

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Speaker 4: especially now that the Suns back out. The days are brighter,

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Speaker 4: a little bit warmer. Everything is improving now that all

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Speaker 4: everything is turned the weather, me on your show, the news,

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Speaker 4: you name it.

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Speaker 3: We got plenty to talk about. Walkouts.

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Speaker 4: Yes, of course, Willy, they're happening everywhere. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: high school kid. It doesn't matter who they're protesting. They

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Speaker 4: might not even know who they're protesting. All they know

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Speaker 4: is they want to get out of math class, or

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Speaker 4: history class, or science class or whatever it is, especially

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Speaker 4: if they've got to test her a quiz, Willy, they'll

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Speaker 4: protest anybody. They might protest to you and me for

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Speaker 4: all we know, if it get them out of science

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Speaker 4: class or out of their English quiz. So sure, it's

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Speaker 4: happening in northern Kentucky. It's happening everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about and number one, I can't recall at

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Speaker 1: Deer Park High School that ever happening. To use children

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Speaker 1: as political props to advance a left wing agenda is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: I had a parent call me from Princeton saying my

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl was taken out a class, walked

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Speaker 1: across the street to march around the football stadium and

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Speaker 1: protest of ice.

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Speaker 2: And she said I'm outraged by this. I like what

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Speaker 2: Ice is doing.

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Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing to have my kid as

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Speaker 1: political prop against their will is something. But let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Thomas Massey once again. Yesterday there was an effort

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Speaker 1: in the Congress to advance the funding of DHS, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Ice is not part of that. They're

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Speaker 1: funded through twenty twenty nine. So even though the Democrats

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Speaker 1: can actually do that.

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Speaker 2: No, you can.

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Speaker 1: That would defund TSA and some other activities. But Thomas

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Speaker 1: Massey was one of three or four Republicans to torpedo

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Speaker 1: that we have. Also the Thomas Massey situation at Oldham

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Speaker 1: County in Kentucky in which he's given a speech and

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Speaker 1: a sense politically, before we get to the law matters,

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Speaker 4: Well, Willie, I think that he's certainly become even more controversial,

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Speaker 4: if that's even possible. But it's come down to the

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Speaker 4: audacity that Thomas has and I say that tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 4: but the moxie he has the backbone he has. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure if I'm allowed to say balls on the radio,

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Speaker 4: but certainly he's got big ones anybody that's taken on

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Speaker 4: President Trump. That's what it comes down to about whether

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Speaker 3: Going to be principled. And that's what Thomas Massy is.

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Speaker 4: And is he going to lose some boats for fighting

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Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Is he going to lose so many votes that it

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Speaker 4: really don't think so. I think Thomas is a lot

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Speaker 4: The news media, I think they like the drama, they

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Speaker 4: I think that this is healthy for everybody. I think

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Speaker 4: it's very important that we have somebody like Tom Massy

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Speaker 4: to remind people the government spending is out of control,

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Speaker 4: Sooner or later, I mean, it's probably gotten so big

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Speaker 4: it's a lot of attention that a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 4: the checkbook. They like blowing our tax dollars on whatever

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Speaker 4: their pet projects are. It doesn't matter who's in control, Republican,

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to turn that to pickt off. Even though

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Speaker 4: whenever they aren't in power, they're constantly complaining about the spending,

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Speaker 4: the out of control spending of the other party. But

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Speaker 4: Thomas has pushed that that fiscal responsibility as well as

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Speaker 4: he's been the main driver about the release of the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files. Now, I don't understand how President Trump can

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Speaker 3: Release the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think anybody would contest or argue with

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Speaker 4: But that's something that at least from my perspective and

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Speaker 4: if there is one thing everybody can agree on, it's

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Speaker 4: that they hate child traffickers and pedophiles and anybody that's

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Speaker 4: been so much attention brought to the Epstein files, most

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Speaker 4: of it by the President himself during his campaign, that

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's letting that go. And if you

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Speaker 4: to where we can shed some light on exactly what

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Speaker 4: was uncovered during that investigation, then you know, for better

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Speaker 4: socialized with Epstein. These are all the things everybody wants

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Speaker 4: to know, regardless of political affiliation. And right now you

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Speaker 4: and that's Thomas Massey. I think that resonates with voters

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Speaker 3: And as much as they.

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Speaker 4: Like most of President Trump's policies and most of what

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Speaker 4: they're going to sign with Thomas on this one.

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Speaker 3: I think they'll return him to office.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: And so the primary is coming up. He's got a

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Speaker 1: legitimate opponent. That guy appears to have all the profit,

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Speaker 1: he's got the qualifications, got the credentials, doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: name ID. In fact, off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: I can't name the guy he's running against. I've seen

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Speaker 2: So you're saying Massy is safe.

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Speaker 1: One thing, I would note that the recent Epstein files

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Speaker 1: proved that. In twenty oh six, May I say twenty

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Speaker 1: His name's Jeffrey Epstein. He's a creep and that should

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Speaker 1: have absolved which any involvement. Donald Trump himself also in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Epstein was indicted.

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Speaker 1: Under Donald Trump, Julane Maxwell was indicted under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: He proceeded to go after Epstein, and the Democrats never

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Speaker 1: did that. In fact, for the eight years of Obama,

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Speaker 1: not about Jeffrey Epstein. But the Democrats think they can

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Speaker 1: It's not working out that way, so now they're switching.

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Speaker 1: If you did something wrong, have ad it. The statute's

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Speaker 1: long run out, by the way, on any sex activity

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Speaker 1: it ran out years ago. Civilly, there's been tens of

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Speaker 1: tens and that's growing. Every bank, every brokerage firm that

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Speaker 1: paid one hundred million dollars. I think it was wells

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Speaker 1: who will be well compensated. Those criminally responsible should have

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Speaker 1: been charged years ago, and Trump is the instrumentality charging

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Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Ellie honeyg on CNN and also James

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Speaker 1: And of course Elie Honig said, we indicted the only

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Speaker 1: two people criminally responsible. Those two people were Epstein and

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Speaker 1: federal grand jury, subpoena, piate depositions, full investigation. They found

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Speaker 1: two people involved, where the others involved. Absolutely, did the

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Speaker 1: statute run? Absolutely? Is there a pot of gold now

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Speaker 1: for the victims to be compensated?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: Now, lastly, before I let you go, there's a big

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Speaker 1: bill pending in Frankfort, Kentucky. Explained that to the American people,

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Speaker 1: this is more or less related in his sense, to Epstein.

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Speaker 3: It is, Willie, there is a bill. It's House bill.

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Speaker 4: For anytime a bill gets a single digit number like that,

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Speaker 4: it means it's a priority for the party in control

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Speaker 4: the Senate. House Bill four would outlaw grooming in Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: And it's basically something that we have known that is

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Speaker 4: their gross sexual crimes against children, there was little to

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Speaker 4: an actual asodomy. But now when this bill passes, and

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Speaker 4: I'm confident it will. When the Senate passes is out,

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Speaker 4: it will be illegal for anyone to groom children for

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Speaker 1: Now, could you be specific about grooming? I understand what

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Speaker 1: What is grooming? Is it a girl Scout leader, a

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Speaker 4: And those people that we should have to worry about least,

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Speaker 1: So House built four, it is already illegal for an

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Speaker 2: That's illegal.

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Speaker 1: This is getting up to the line of actually having sex.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying this bill would address someone say it's

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Speaker 4: But it's any person who's eighteen years of age or

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Speaker 1: So eighteen years old, you can send sexy tweets or

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's a grooming behavior is defined as a course

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Speaker 4: No, not until there's an actual sex act. And we

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like pornography, Willy. It's hard to define,

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Speaker 4: Now, those teachers oftentimes lost their jobs or I got

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Speaker 4: But that wasn't anything that we could handle criminally, even

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Speaker 4: And one of the things people don't realize, Willy, is

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Speaker 1: Got it ron once again, Keith the Bluegrass Straight, looking

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Speaker 1: And then once again Rob Sanders, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 2: And you're a great American. Thank you, Rob.

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Speaker 4: You know pictures and catchers reported today, so it's only

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