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Speaker 1: I saw, Well, one of things that we definitely want

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Speaker 1: they were with the Buffalo Bills. What'd you guys think

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Speaker 2: Well, I think initially as soon as Joe Brady was hired,

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Speaker 2: Jim Leonard's name was somebody Bill's fans wanted and targeted

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Speaker 2: and said, you got to go get this guy.

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Speaker 3: We know from Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: He is a two thousand and four undrafted free agent,

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Speaker 2: started his career there.

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Speaker 3: We know that.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously he's on a great job in Denver

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Speaker 2: under vanced Joseph and I find it interesting under Rex

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Speaker 2: Ryan as a player, under.

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Speaker 3: Vanced Joseph aggressiveness.

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Speaker 2: Something the Bills need to do is get to the

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Speaker 2: pass or better somebody he's been involved in.

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Speaker 3: So that was number one. And then we're all surprised

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Speaker 3: when John Fox was.

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Speaker 2: Announced as a assistant head coach basically with the Bills.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it was somebody that Joe Brady said,

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Speaker 2: I wanted somebody that's been there, done that. He's been

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Speaker 2: in this seat before, and I think John Fox is

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Speaker 2: not only going to help Joe Brady, but help Jim

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Speaker 2: Leonard a lot of of course as well.

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Speaker 4: Man, you got Pete Carmichael of course right there as well,

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Speaker 4: had a long time Sean Payton acolyte. What is the

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Speaker 4: hire of course with Brady running sh Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting back Pete Carmichael started with Drew Brees

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Speaker 3: It didn't start he was with them. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: how long he goes back. You know, we're getting old, right.

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Speaker 2: You watch this and you see these guys and you

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: You guys know, in this league there's so many coaches

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Speaker 2: just want to be head coaches, they want to move

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Speaker 2: a guy that he's a good team player, he's a

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Speaker 2: he said I always wanted to work with Joe again

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Speaker 2: because they worked together in New Orleans. So I think

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Speaker 2: fans are really happy with it. I think they see

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Speaker 2: a guy that's not trying to overstep on Joe. He's

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Speaker 2: just going to be their support shoe as much as possible.

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Speaker 2: We asked Joe, though, what does an offensive coordinator do

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Speaker 2: if you're not the play caller? He said, be ready

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Speaker 2: So I think everybody's really happy with that.

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Speaker 1: How the fans done with moving on from Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing somewhere that there was a bit of

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Speaker 1: to bring him back. Yeah, I want to hit your

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny, you know, for the last seven

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Speaker 3: Now you know he's not the right guy, and of

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Speaker 3: course many fans didn't, but this year kind of changed.

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Speaker 2: This year was boy, he's doing it with you know,

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Speaker 3: Sean was great for the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: Nine years of really excellent football, five division championships, right,

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Speaker 2: you can't replace that. But I think at the end

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Speaker 2: for verial playoff wall, and there was just so much

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Speaker 3: And I do think because of what.

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Speaker 2: They did hiring wise, it told me that maybe it

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Speaker 2: wasn't about Sewan the head coach, but they really just

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Speaker 3: It's his defense. He's not going to do that. I

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Speaker 2: What really happened was when they fired Sean, I think

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Speaker 3: The respect he deserved. They didn't put out statement about

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Speaker 2: learning from him, I love you. What he built here matters.

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Speaker 2: That helped the fan base a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think there could be something too that the Broncos

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Speaker 4: John Fox, bring in Gary Kubiak and get that super

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Speaker 4: Bowl in Super Bowls, right. I think there is something

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Speaker 4: the fan base after this past season probably being a

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Speaker 2: Over, Well, I think that is that like, man, you

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Speaker 2: bo Nicks, and no disrespect to Broncs were great, their

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Speaker 2: over five times, and everybody's like, what would have happened?

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Speaker 3: I think it's more.

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Speaker 2: Of a you know, we've had these opportunities, they haven't happened.

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Speaker 2: Can we do it with this group? And then you

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Speaker 2: get to a way but we still have seventeen, so

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it, you could still do it with him.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be some on the job training with Joe Braid,

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Speaker 2: a couple of times. I'm like, well, let's think about it.

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Speaker 2: First year head coach is only first year because teams

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Speaker 2: usually stink. He's walking into a team that's actually good,

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Speaker 2: So he has an opportunity to win.

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Speaker 1: So that I mean my last question here, so for

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a bit of a letdown if

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Speaker 1: you guys don't do that. What is it What is

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Speaker 1: this doing for the legacy of Josh Allen specifically because

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Speaker 1: the fact, I think a lot of us feel like

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Speaker 1: it's not really all on him.

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Speaker 3: Why you've not gotten over the hump just yet.

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Speaker 2: But we know that the national way we talk about

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Speaker 2: football historically, right is you need to have the hardware,

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Speaker 2: and he does have one piece.

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Speaker 3: That's the MVP.

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Speaker 2: We know that, Listen, Josh is great. We all know

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Speaker 2: that he's an elite quarterback. He's one of the top

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, he's right there. His legacy can only

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Speaker 2: be cemented by winning. I think everything else, he's already

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Speaker 3: He's a Hall famerite retire tomorrow. He is a Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famous for what he's done. But he needs to win.

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Speaker 2: I think what's happening here in Buffalo, though, is people

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Speaker 2: turning thirty in the style he plays, And that's what's

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Speaker 2: scaring people, which is like, how much longer can you

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Speaker 2: have this guy who plays like this and be Superman? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because they don't walk around every day, you don't get

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Speaker 2: making people a little scared. But look, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of excitement in Buffalo because you do have a new

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Speaker 2: coach and you know, we'll see if he can get

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Speaker 2: him over the hump.

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Speaker 3: As you say, your new stadium coming.

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Speaker 2: You guys have one in Denver in a few more years, right,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of excite and coming on in

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