1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: So typically Sean Saya Stats and Schemes newsletter joints us 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: on Tuesdays. But you need to move everything because of 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, Monday Night football, and uh stat's given Sean 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: twenty four hours more to come up with a way 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: to fix what I think is the unfixable the Bengals, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: their offense, their defense. You should subscribe to his newsletter. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Get it at sumer sports dot com. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: How's it going, Sean, No, it's you know, maybe gone 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: a little bit better for me than the Bengals overall. 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: You're right, you know, you get that extra time. You 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: just kind of mulling things a little bit. And I 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: might be lying if I said I had some grand 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: solution for what's going on with the Bengals of this season. 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, you can't. I mean, you have an offensive line 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: of guys that can't run blocks, so you can't run 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: the ball. You have a backup quarterback that's not thrown 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: to the right guy, Like I don't I don't know. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a scheme that can overcome 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: those things. And today they have elite playmakers on the outside. 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: But when your QB doesn't throw the ball at the 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: right guy, I don't know what schematic advantage you can 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: come up with. 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: You know, I certainly agree, and I think because I 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: feel like everyone knows that, then you turn to all 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: the things that you actually can control, whether it's things 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: that are coached, whether it's the overall discipline of the team, 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: whether it's those just minute details not getting illegal formations 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: on big throws like that is what I think we 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: can really focus on now and say, okay, well are 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: these like operational aspects of this team and issue And 31 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: you could say, okay, well you drop one player and 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: then it kind of it hurts everyone, Like absolutely, I 33 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: get that there are still things in your control that 34 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: I think, no matter who you're putting out there, you 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: would hope are able to get to a certain level. 36 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Well, it starts with having the right number of players 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: on the field and then having them line up correctly, 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and then you can come up with something. Is there 39 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: is there anything schematically that if you're Zach Taylor you 40 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: can you can try that you haven't tried yet. 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: I feel like you lean as much on the game 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: as you can. As you said, you know, your offensive 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: line is maybe not the best run game unit. Overall, 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: you're trying to just like shrink the kind of margin 45 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: for error that your quarterback can sort of have. Now 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: you could say, hey, like let's call up New York 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: see if James Winston wants to make the trip a 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: little bit out to to Cincinnati, Ohio. 49 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you. 50 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: Look at that just a little bit. 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: But I feel like. 52 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: The only solution is okay, heavy runs, heavy play action 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: shots to the outside. But when you're already down, you 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: know pretty quickly in these games, and I think teams 55 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: are probably sitting on that type of approach. It makes 56 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: it pretty hard. Like it's sort of disheartening to have 57 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: to watch it and kind of think about it and 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: look at it and say, okay, well there's just no solution, 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Like that can't be it. So you are leaning into 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: just you know, maybe you're able to get just one 61 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: or two just massive, massive games from Chasin Higgins, and 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: you're able to ride that into the sunset. 63 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: So Jake Browning plays seven games two years ago, and 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: the one thing they did, and I think you and 65 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: I have talked about this, the one thing they were 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: able to tap into was a screen game. They still 67 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: had Joe Mixon. They started to use Chase brown a 68 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: little bit more and we joked about it here, like 69 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: they're going to screen pass their way into the postseason. 70 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: So I go to this game on Monday, and the 71 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. One of their deficiencies has been allowing a 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of yards to running backs when they're used as receivers. 73 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know how you don't marry those two. 74 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Here's something we have used in the past with this 75 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: quarterback against a team that has this particular weakness. And 76 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: late in the third quarter, before the game totally got 77 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: out of hand, they had one reception for Chase Brown. 78 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: So I guess my question is, like, isn't that something 79 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: they should be tapping into because they have had success 80 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: with this quarterback in the screen game before. 81 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: I do think the screen game is a smart way 82 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: to lessen the burden on your offensive line a little bit, 83 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: like your quarterback is not really having to make a 84 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: full read kind of decision. Obviously, you have a playmaking 85 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: running back in Chase Brown, So I do think that's 86 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: a smart way to approach it. To me, it also 87 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: goes back to the details of the kind of approach, 88 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: like if you have a sloppy screen game, that sometimes 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: is the sign of like an offense that you know 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: you're not on kind of all of your details all 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: the time. If you look at the Buccaneers last year, 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: had just this absurd screen game where it's like everyone's 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: foot is in the exact right spot, exactly what it 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: needs to be. You're able to get defensive linemen up 95 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: the field, and I want to just yeah, probably does 96 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: go off through the rest of the season, just because 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: you're looking at it like this week saying in Hudginson 98 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: really riving back up off his injury and say, okay, well, 99 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: we got to have something that can flow that guy down. 100 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Lions. So they lose both coordinators 101 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, renowned for his work with that offense. They 102 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: had a hiccup Week one. Offensively, it feels like they 103 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: haven't skipped a beat. It's very good personnel. Jamier Gibbs 104 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: is terrific. I love him on Ray Saint Brown. Jared 105 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: Goff has sort of rebranded himself in Detroit. Why though, 106 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: given the fact that everybody talked about the brain drain 107 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: this af season, are they doing Are they running the 108 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: exact same offense? Are there dramatic schematic differences? Why have 109 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: they barely skipped a beat on that side of the 110 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: ball in Detroit. 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't say it's the exact same offense. 112 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: I think there's like in Week one, for example, we 113 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: saw the Lions use a lot less motion, a lot 114 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: less play action. I do think they got back to 115 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: a lot of those things. It just it feels like 116 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: last year you could almost steel how like the kind 117 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: of showiness and the play falling a little bit like 118 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: and you could see that against the Lions or something 119 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: against the Ravens on that money make game where you 120 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: have those kind of trick plays in there, and could 121 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: you see something. As the season goes on, it kind 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: of continues to be like, Hey, we're gonna beat you, 123 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: and we're gonna do it in like the most stylish 124 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: ways possible. I do think a big deal is like 125 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: their personnel is just really really good and they have 126 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: a lot of the structures there. More than that Isim 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: are the offensive coordinator there more and is really familiar 128 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: with Dan Campbell as well. So you do have some 129 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: different pieces along the offensive line that maybe you can 130 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: attack up front a little bit. But the team is 131 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: settling and I would absolutely say, like this is the 132 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: top top end unit in the NFC, where they have 133 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: so many different ways to attack you. I think that 134 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: the line struggled a little bit against the Browns last week, 135 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: in particular when they were able to get pressure. So 136 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: if you can get guys in Jared Boff's face, like 137 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: Trey Henderson head let's go ahead and make and try 138 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: and win us his game. 139 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: That sounds great. But you know, I watched last week, 140 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: or I watched on Monday night Cam Taylor Brick got 141 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: benched again. I watched Geno Stone take poor angles when 142 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: he's trying to make a tackle. I see collectively the 143 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 1: same lack of pass rush. Admittedly, they don't have Shamar Stewart. 144 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: There are some young players on defense that I think 145 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: are interesting, like Demetrius Knight, But I I don't, you know, 146 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: it's sort of a similar question to what we talked 147 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: about the Bengals on offense. I don't know that Al 148 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: Golden can come up with anything given the fact that 149 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: he's got the same players that got the previous defensive 150 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: coordinator fired. When he's going up against that Detroit offense, 151 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: which is easily the best one they've played so far. 152 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: You know, and you're a team that is just like 153 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: a drastic underdogd I think the Bengals are like ten 154 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: and a half point underdogs, and me the approach is 155 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: like you lean into variants as much as possible. So 156 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: you are because if you're like on odds, probably going 157 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: to lose, so why don't go down swinging? So like 158 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: you increase your blitz rip, you're taking more deep shots, 159 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: you're on sie kicker obviously different now, but like those 160 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: are the types of things that if you're that out match, 161 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: even in a league where look, anything can happen in 162 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: leak twek Like I'm not gonna say the angles have 163 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: zero for them chance to win on paper. Of course 164 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna prefer to be the lines in this one. 165 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: But you then look at, well, what are just all 166 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: the ways that we can have a weird win, Like 167 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: is it a special team's block that we could maybe 168 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: kind of scheme something up, kind of fly me to 169 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: just get get something that you're able to get a 170 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: block there? So like do you want to see all 171 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: these guys blitz and then you're now putting your cornerbacks 172 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: in one on one situations like play after play. Maybe not, 173 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: But then also like sometimes you look at maybe the 174 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: earlier days in the Minnesota Vikings Brian Flora's defense and say, okay, 175 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: well they're just using weirdness. Like the Cardinals did this 176 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: as well. They they've been trying to go their defense 177 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 2: like get as funky as humanly possible and just show 178 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: these crazy, non traditional looks because it's like, look, at 179 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: the end of the day, this game might not be 180 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: close anyway, so let's go down and swinging. 181 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: Boy. 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