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Speaker 2: Eight thirty one fifty five rc detalk station. Is that

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Speaker 2: time of week we talk concert fual Well, we talked

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Speaker 2: about the constitution regularly. It's Judgeennenapolatan and welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to have you on the morning show.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian, it's good to be here. And whoops,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, well I can't see you all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden anyway. You can't get it back anyway. I'm here,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to I'm happy to be here. And there

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Speaker 3: we are back to seeing each other. I don't put

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Speaker 3: batteries into smoke detectors and other people's homes. And I

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Speaker 2: Thank you, even though it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: the crazy world which we find ourselves in the war

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Speaker 2: we're you're going to talk about right now. I'm with

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Speaker 3: I mean, this goes back to World War Two when

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Speaker 2: Six, yeah, don't forget. We have elected people who think

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Speaker 2: think they can change time. Okay, well, thank you for

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Speaker 2: quit doing it all right, your calm, I know you

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Speaker 2: call this unlawful, unconstitutional war. You articulate all the reasons

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Speaker 2: something you and I have talked about time and time again.

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Speaker 2: The War Powers Act nineteen seventy three in order to

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and yes, I mean the Vietnam War

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Speaker 3: What the hell kind of a democracy or a democratic

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Speaker 3: When the executive branch can tell a secret to eight

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Speaker 3: Find well the dangerous of an authorization for the use

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know it's interesting. It's give me an

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But process wise, if Congress votes Thursday

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Speaker 3: The War Powers Resolution, it's actually a law, but.

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Speaker 4: It calls itself a resolution.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not miss speaking here, it's odd to do that.

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Speaker 3: But we'd be in Virgin territory because since nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 2: Question number two. According to the War Powers Resolution, you

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Speaker 2: you got a sixty day clock ticking with a potential

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Speaker 2: That seems to me be the end of the road.

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Speaker 2: There at that point, that.

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Speaker 3: Would be the end of the road, except that this

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Speaker 3: We know he doesn't believe in international law because he's

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Speaker 3: So again, I don't know how this is going to result.

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Speaker 3: The courts are loath to get involved in a matter

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Speaker 2: Indeed, leading me to my next question, which it sounds

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Speaker 2: like you anticipated. Assuming Trump goes rogue the sixty day

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Speaker 2: because I needed to keep troops out of harm's way

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Speaker 2: If he ignores all that and continues to engage and

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Speaker 2: I guess that would be impeachment, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 3: Be I guess it would be a Republican house. It

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Speaker 4: I think he's created a mess.

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Speaker 3: For himself, and I think he's done so because of

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Speaker 4: Look you heard the State of the Union address.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do so fair enough, you know, to appease

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Speaker 2: to all of the other military engagements let me call

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Speaker 2: Except final point, the power of the purse. Congress can

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Speaker 3: Well, that would take a two thirds majority, because that

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Speaker 3: he could veto. But the answer is yes, if he

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Speaker 3: of the Congress can do anything except amend the constitution

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Speaker 3: that takes three quarters of the states.

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Speaker 2: Three quarters of the states. Well, you know there is

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Speaker 2: a constitution. We get you to remind us every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's right there, it exists, it's real, and we need

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Speaker 2: to pay more attention to it. So a judgment Anapauliton

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. It's always great being able to engage in

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Speaker 4: Now, these are fabulous conversations. Brian.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm stirring the pot. I'm doing so with a

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Speaker 3: that's the supreme law of the land.

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Speaker 2: I know you are. I appreciate you for it. It's

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Speaker 2: do this again next week. Every week at eight thirty

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Speaker 2: on the fifty five KRSCY Morning show Judging Freedom. Real quick,

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Speaker 2: your honor, who are you talking to today?

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Speaker 3: Oh? In an hour, I have a professor Mohammed Mirandi

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Speaker 3: born in Arlington, Virginia, now a professor at the University

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Speaker 3: of Tehran, live from the basement of his home in

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Speaker 3: Tehran at noon, Colonel Douglas McGregor.

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Speaker 2: Douglas McGregor, Well, check for Judging Freedom. Wherever you find

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Speaker 2: your podcast will be on next week. Your on have

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Speaker 2: a great week between now and then, certain Thanks again,