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Speaker 2: This is a huge week here, obviously. You know you

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Speaker 4: A weird week right that week in between New Year's

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of ground to cover, and we'll

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Speaker 2: have Zach Taylor's press conference in the five o'clock hour

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Speaker 2: of the show. You'll hear him talk about yesterday's game,

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Speaker 2: which forever, as far as I'm concerned, will be known

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Speaker 2: as the Cody Ford game.

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Speaker 3: Give it to him on the goal line, give him.

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Speaker 4: One try, Yes at the fullback position, but yes, awesome moment.

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Speaker 4: It was made even better by Dan's call with it.

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Speaker 4: Dan is like laughing as he's running. Added in the

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Speaker 4: wooly mammoth joke to mix in a little bit of

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow's gift to the offensive lineman, which I'm sure

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Speaker 4: we'll discuss, but it was the first thing I said

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Speaker 4: to you today. It was a weird game to watch.

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Speaker 4: It was normally, when your team's dominating like that, it's fun.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it wasn't fun, but you watch

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Speaker 2: It's a weird The game is situated kind of weird,

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Speaker 2: first game they play while being eliminated, there's still another

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Speaker 2: game to go against the Cleveland Browns. That game also

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Speaker 2: But then you gotta come back and play another game

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Speaker 2: But you know, I talked to so many people who

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Speaker 2: it seems like they're having a hard time processing this,

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Speaker 2: Like how should I handle it? For me, it's simple,

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Speaker 4: I think that's the worry with most people is that

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Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about the fans view it how

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Speaker 4: And I viewed yesterday in the way you mentioned it

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Speaker 4: You saw that against the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday. Miles Garrett

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Speaker 4: to me, there are two different teams. Get it done

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Speaker 4: It's a team that already checked out. The Cleveland team

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Speaker 2: I do wonder from Cleveland's perspective emotionally, and I know

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Speaker 2: Yesterday they wanted to put a dent in Pittsburgh's playoff hopes.

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Speaker 2: from their perspective, there might have been so much put

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Speaker 2: I watched yesterday, and I watched this offense the last

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Speaker 2: frustrating about this team is you watched them, in particular

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Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow would have stayed healthy, What if they

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Speaker 2: What if one or two plays would have gone differently?

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Speaker 2: At the same time, what makes them frustrating provides hope.

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Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of folks who don't

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Speaker 2: that's difficult for Duke. Tobin and I have very little

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Speaker 2: But the last two weeks to me have been just

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Speaker 2: There is a really good offense to build around. There's

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that that you could really be

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Speaker 2: But I will say this, I think if you said

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Speaker 2: Or you can go to a place where the quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing too. And this was a discussion

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Speaker 4: early yesterday with Ken. It's one thing to say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: need two new linebackers in my new safety. In my opinion,

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Speaker 4: now we've got good decisions to make. Dalton Reisner has

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Speaker 4: been awesome for this team. Do you buy back into him? Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm Aris Mems. Dylan Fairchild year number one, Ted Karris,

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Speaker 4: you know, those offensive line pieces are things that now

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Speaker 4: three yards away from one thousand rushing, He's thirty four

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Speaker 4: been consistent. So not only do you have a wide

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Speaker 4: better option at wide receiver three? Yeah, probably if it's

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Speaker 4: But what a luxury to have to go in and say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: we've got to rebuild, we've got to get back there,

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Speaker 4: but we get to do it with this as an offense.

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Speaker 4: And I think at the at the background of all

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Speaker 4: of that is something that has started ever since Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 4: the psychological conversations have happened.

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Speaker 3: You don't have time anymore. No, if you're Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 4: To say, well, you know what, let's give Demetrius Knight

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Speaker 4: if he can get something out. Man, you know it's

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Speaker 4: year two now without Golden Maybe Geno like you're no, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You no longer have that luxury.

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Speaker 4: No, you've got to build a championship content for Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow right now, and their actions in the offseason should mimic.

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Speaker 3: That weird team.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you look at all of the teams

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Speaker 2: South winner to still be determined, in the AFC North

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Speaker 2: winner to still be determined. But if you look at

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Speaker 2: all the teams that don't make the playoffs, how many

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Speaker 2: you know what, on this side of the ball. We

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Speaker 2: don't have to do pretty much anything.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Again, you can never have enough offensive lineman long term.

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Speaker 2: What are they gonna do it at left tackle or

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Speaker 2: right tackle depending on where Marius Mimms goes. Could they

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Speaker 5: Cody Ford lines up as a wide receiver outside the

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Speaker 2: When Cody Ford lines up, Yeah, he's got to get

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night. That was a fun game, but they decided,

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00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 2: all right, we've got a backup quarterback, Tyler Hunting screw it,

437
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 2: We're giving the ball to Derrick Henry, which at times

438
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: this year we've gotten away from thirty six times. And

439
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: I wonder. I wonder if they can do the same thing.

440
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: We'll see if Lamar Jackson can go Frankly, I'll say,

441
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: and I think Tyler Hunley healthy is right now a

442
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 2: better option than a compromise Lamar Jackson crazy. If what

443
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: we've seen from the compromise. Lamar Jackson is what you're

444
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: gonna see on Sunday night. No outcome in that game

445
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 2: would surprise me, but I think the conversation about the

446
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: losing coach is interesting. Mike Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game,

447
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: for all of his accolades, for all that he has achieved,

448
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: hasn't won a playoff game since the twenty sixteen season.

449
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 2: They were head and shoulders out in front of everybody

450
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: in the AFC North, a down AFC North early in

451
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: the season, for them to lose to the Browns and

452
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: then perhaps lose it home to the Baltimore Ravens. I'm

453
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: sure there's gonna be a lot of folks in Pittsburgh

454
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: who go, look, we gave him a Hall of Fame quarterback,

455
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: hall of fame quarterback who I think has passed his prime,

456
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: but gave him a Hall of Fame quarterback. Spend a

457
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: lot of money on the defense that we don't even

458
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, can't even clinch the division with a

459
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: game against the Cleveland Browns, lose at home to Baltimore.

460
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: And I think the Ravens are interesting because I think

461
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: that team has been mismanaged this year They've had a

462
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities in the postseason with Lamar Jackson, they

463
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: haven't taken advantage of John Harball has a great resumes,

464
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl, all that sort of stuff, but

465
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: it's felt like their championship window is closed. I think

466
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: the fallout in either city that loses is frankly more

467
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: interesting than talking about what the winner has in store

468
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: for it in the postseason.

469
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Speaker 4: We obviously have head coaching conversations, and he in Cincinnati

470
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: a lot. I have friends, diehard friends with the Pittsburgh

471
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: Steelers who said immediately they would take Zach Taylor for

472
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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin.

473
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Speaker 3: And a heartbeat. I mean, it's just soured. Wow with

474
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: Mike tom how many Bengals fans would make that trade

475
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 3: a lot?

476
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 4: It's just weird that there's a lot of teams on

477
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Speaker 4: both sides that's say I'd take Mike Tomlin here in Cincinnati.

478
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a poll. I'm gonna do two pole questions. Okay,

479
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: one is who's the best coach in the AFC North

480
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: sure right now? And the other's gonna be about Christmas gifts.

481
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: I wonder as well, like it's easy when when things

482
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 4: are going well, last week in Baltimore was weird between

483
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: Lamar and the and the French and certainly a question

484
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 4: around Harball if they don't make the playoffs. You just

485
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: talked about the Mike Tomlin situation. Bengals could all of

486
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: a sudden be sitting in the cap parts seat going

487
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 4: into twenty twenty six. Maybe I mean uncertainty right now

488
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: with what's going on in Baltimore, a team that has

489
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: underachieved and injuries have played a big role. And also

490
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: a team in Pittsburgh who like, what's the future in

491
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh right now? What is that team been built around?

492
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 4: Who's going to be the quarterback of the future. I

493
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: think the Browns have drafted really well. The Browns are

494
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 4: putting themselves in a better position going forward. Yeah, but

495
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 4: you want to talk about talent and sure things probably

496
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 4: feel pretty good about the Bengals going into twenty twenty

497
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: six in the AFC North well.

498
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Speaker 3: Compared to the others.

499
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Speaker 2: The Browns win, so now they can't draft in the

500
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: top two. We'll see what happens in the draft. We'll

501
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: see what happens with Gwinnshawn Judkins and his injury. But yeah,

502
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good young players. We'll see what

503
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: happens with Kevin Stefanski.

504
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 3: I mean, their rookie linebacker is gonna run away with

505
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: the Yes the year.

506
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: The Sean Watson thing still looms over that franchise, right,

507
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: Bengals have no such thing.

508
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh.

509
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: There's been a quarterback issue for a while where they

510
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger overstayed his welcome and then they tried the

511
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson thing and Kenny Pickett. Neither one of those

512
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: really took Will Howard Will Howard. Aaron Rodgers isn't going

513
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: to play forever, and the longer that he does play,

514
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: I think the more bouts of ineffectiveness we'll see. The

515
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: Ravens are a very well run organization and Lamar when

516
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: he's healthy, is an awesome player. But they took a

517
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: step back this season.

518
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: But Lamar now, the sudden early part of Lamar's career,

519
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 4: he was durable. Now his playing style with injuries is different.

520
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 4: At some point, Derek Henry's got to fall off, right,

521
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 4: He's getting older.

522
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: This is why I don't play Joe Burrow on Sunday.

523
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: Correct. I want to.

524
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Speaker 2: I want to go into the off season next year

525
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: looking at those franchises going.

526
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Our QB's all set. Yep.

527
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: Our QB is set, our offense is set. What about you, guys?

528
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: Correct?

529
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting. Hey, that the

530
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: fallout from that game, Like the Steelers don't fire coaches,

531
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: the Ravens don't fire coaches. The Pittsburgh Steelers have had

532
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: three coaches since the nineteen sixties. The Ravens have had

533
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: two head coaches this century, which is why it would

534
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: be It would be something if failing to make the

535
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: postseason in either city resulted in a coaching.

536
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: But think about, like what we talked about in Cincinnati.

537
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 4: You talked about the build up of the roster. Let's

538
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 4: say hypothetically you go into this offseason Bengals, Ravens, Steelers

539
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: all become open jobs.

540
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: Which is the most coveted job, the one with Joe Burrow? Correct?

541
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 4: Yes, and a franchise who doesn't move coaches very often.

542
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: You could say the same the two you just talked

543
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: about with Baltimore and Pittsburgh. If I'm talking about what

544
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: I'm walking into, Pittsburgh's offense is going to be Lamar

545
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 4: has not shown the ability to be a your passer,

546
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: and now injuries are becoming a question. Dereck Henry's getting older,

547
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: or I can walk into Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.

548
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: It would easily be the most coveted job, Yes, of

549
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: any of the AFC North jobs open.

550
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd like to have Lamar Jackson healthy. Sure,

551
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson healthy is a two time MVP, but I

552
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: it's a back issue, right Like I I'm not a doctor.

553
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: I wonder could that be a degenerative or chronic situation?

554
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: For years, it's been well with Lamar. He's elusive, he's fantastic,

555
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: He's avoided injury.

556
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: He's gotten better as a passer.

557
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: He has, but still I don't think the ability to

558
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: carry a teams just a pass like. The worry with Lamar,

559
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: in my opinion, has always been as he gets older

560
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: and the body takes more punishment, how's it going to react? Sure,

561
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: just missed a lot this year, and does that get

562
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: rectified or does that become more of an issue? And

563
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: if so, how you build that roster now completely changes?

564
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: They're built with Lamar as a runner right now you'd

565
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: have to rebuild with Lamar as more of a passer.

566
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: I just from a Raven's perspective. You think of having

567
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game in their building two years ago, losing.

568
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: You think of Lamar has his postseason moment last year

569
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: against Buffalo and then Mark Andrews drops the two point conversion.

570
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: Who knows how.

571
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Things unfold from there, because it wasn't a great Kansas

572
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: City team that they would have played in the AFC

573
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Championship game, but great rosters, loaded rosters and MVP caliber

574
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: seasons from a quarterback that got through both seasons healthy,

575
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: and they don't win invariably. Maybe they were going to

576
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: take a step back this year, but I do think

577
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: what's next for them is fascinating.

578
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: Sure.

579
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: And then the Tomlin thing in Pittsburgh, Man, they have underachieved.

580
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Like there is the Steelers brand and there's Mike Tomlin's career,

581
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: but over the course of nearly the last decade, no

582
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: postseason advancement.

583
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: Just got beaten physically.

584
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Last year in the post season, they took a stab

585
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: at it with Aaron Rodgers, and look, one of those

586
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: two teams will win the AFC Norris So one of

587
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: those two teams will be playing in the playoffs.

588
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: And maybe you don't want.

589
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: To play them, but I think the fallout from losing

590
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: in whichever city loses that game is pretty interesting.

591
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 4: You talk about the playoffs, and I know we'll talk

592
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: about the rest of the NFL. If if Pittsburgh or

593
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: or the Ravens win, they would play who the Texans?

594
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's not the five seed you want to play? Right?

595
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: You know?

596
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: I think the NFC is fascinating because there's a scenario

597
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: where you know, you've got San Francisco and the Rams

598
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: as the five and six seeds.

599
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: Who would want them coming into their building week one?

600
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: It is.

601
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: It's a fascinating year. The AFC, to me is so

602
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: intriguing because, like you could talk me into like Ravens

603
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: sneak in and Raven's win a game or two in

604
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: the playoffs because the AFC is open.

605
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: Do I get healthy Lamar? Right? I mean, like if you.

606
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 4: Get healthy Lamar who people still have questions about Denver.

607
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: People still have questions about even though I mean you

608
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: want to talk about workman, like what the Patriots did yesterday,

609
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: the Jacksonville Jaguars. I mean, it's not the who's who

610
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: that you normally see. Buffalo certainly has chinks in the

611
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 4: armor right now when you look at that team. It

612
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: is it to me, it wouldn't surprise me if like,

613
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: who's more capable of getting in and winning Baltimore.

614
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh, Baltimore because I feel like I can give it

615
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: to Henry, Right, I feel like.

616
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: I can give it to There's not enough consistency with Pittsburgh.

617
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers offense is painful to watch. Am I gonna

618
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: get t J?

619
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: Watt? Sure?

620
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: I feel like with Baltimore I can Derrick Henry my

621
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: way to a win. You know what my big takeaway

622
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: was from Baltimore's game on Saturday. I wish the Bengals

623
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: would have made that trade for Malik Willis.

624
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

625
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: You know, a couple of years ago, Malik Willis, Derrick Henry,

626
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel were all Titans. You want to talk about fumbling?

627
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I'm not telling you.

628
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Malik Willis is a starting caliber quarterback, but there were

629
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: reports the Bengals made inquiries.

630
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: Maunt Lafloor is.

631
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: A terrific offensive coach and he's elite. In that game,

632
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: they he was awesome, like he he played at a

633
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: starting caliber level on Saturday, and the Bengals made overtures

634
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: by by According to a lot of well sourced people

635
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: about being what.

636
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco ended up being.

637
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco's in need story, But would I'd rather have

638
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: him Elik Willis as my backup right now or Joe

639
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Flacco despite the fact that Elite got hurt in that game.

640
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to talk about a teams falling off? Yeah, Packers.

641
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to know the temperature of Matt Lafleur.

642
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: You know, Austin brought it up today. Since the playoffs

643
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: have been expanded to seven, that's been green Bay, it

644
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: has been. If it's not this, if it's not the

645
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: expanded playoffs, you're talking about a green Bay team that's

646
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: missed multiple playoffs and certainly trending in the wrong direction.

647
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: Obviously the Michael Floor would be out of work for

648
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: about three minutes.

649
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: Correct, But you just think of what team's put up with, yes,

650
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: and what that temperature is. I think there'd be a

651
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: lot of frustration. I mean that that was a team

652
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: early in the year that was like, that's the super

653
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: Bowl team in the end.

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Speaker 3: The Floor and Joe Burry together, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Kidding me, Let's push it. Who's green Bay got next week?

656
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Speaker 4: Let's go lose, Lose. La Floor's on the market. He

657
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Speaker 4: comes to Cincinnati as zaxx Oc.

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Speaker 2: It is ten away from four o'clock. We're a Twin

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Speaker 2: Peaks in Westchester. I am gonna devote one more segment

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Speaker 2: to Geno Stone for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 3: Oh why not? That's coming up for the rest of

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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 2: This is it next week for sure, for the rest

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Speaker 2: of this year, because next week I'm gonna be looking ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, Genostone will be a part of that.

666
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Speaker 2: If Genostone is on the Bengals next year, I am

667
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: taking that day the next three weeks off because I'm not.

668
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard for me to be responsible for

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Speaker 2: what I say. Yeah, like there's gonna be some major

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Speaker 2: major like I will have to like launch a podcast

671
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Speaker 2: to talk about how I feel about and Look.

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Speaker 4: The defense has been better since the bye week. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and Genostone's a big part of that. It's not a

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Speaker 4: what you see in the statue, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: times you have to look past it because you don't

676
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Speaker 4: see him at all on the statue.

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Speaker 3: I watch them try to tackle dudes.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't if Geno Stone, if they announce we're resigning

679
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: genostone want prove it deal one year team friendly proven

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Speaker 2: deal in if he is on the team next year.

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Speaker 2: I am not responsible for how I behave privately, and

682
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm not responsible for what I say publicly. And I

683
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Speaker 2: may just go ahead and need to stash some money

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Speaker 2: away to pay the FCC fines.

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Speaker 3: Deil It is.

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Speaker 2: Nine away from four o'clock Tony and Mo Football Show.

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Speaker 2: Our number two of the Tony and Mo Football show,

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Speaker 2: the final one of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: We are and this place is electrical unbelievable. What the

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Speaker 4: electricity in this room? Because this is our last one here?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah, excited? Yes, we're here till six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I seventy five Union Center Boulevard, Exit Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 2: We are back in Florence for the final show of

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Speaker 2: the season a week from today.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a native of northern Kentucky, I'm trying

709
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Speaker 2: to figure out if I should be.

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Speaker 3: Offended by this A lot amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, the place in Florence is delightful and you can't

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Speaker 2: wait to go back. But we're here in Westchester and

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Speaker 2: thrilled to have the folks with us that are here today,

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Speaker 2: including the guy that brought me a cigar.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable. So I want to be named, doesn't want to

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Speaker 4: be na this cigar giver.

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Speaker 2: He asked to be anonymous. Yeah, and we might have

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Speaker 2: blown his cover by saying he's a guy that brought

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Speaker 2: a cigar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to be anonymous.

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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, we are here at Twin Peaks in Westchester

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Speaker 2: till six o'clock. Tons of TVs, great plays to watch,

723
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Speaker 2: all the college games this weekend. If you want to

724
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Speaker 2: watch kind of a dud of a Monday night football

725
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Speaker 2: game tonight, Rams and Falcons U see plays the night

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Speaker 2: against Lipscomb NK you and Robert Morris. The NFL playoffs

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Speaker 2: obviously coming up starting in twelve days. That picture obviously

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Speaker 2: crystallizing a little bit. You can watch all that stuff

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Speaker 2: and so much more here at Twin Peaks in Westchester.

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Speaker 2: We love the staff, love the food, and love the

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Speaker 2: folks who come on out and check out our show.

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Speaker 2: We thank you for doing as much. I have our

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Speaker 2: poll questions out that I'll get to here in just

734
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Speaker 2: a bit. Paul Danner Junior wrote about something that I

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Speaker 2: talked about a little bit last week, and I think

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Speaker 2: you did as well. The class of twenty twenty three. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin's taken and deserved a lot of criticism for

738
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Speaker 2: how he's drafted. But that twenty twenty three draft class

739
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Speaker 2: admittedly has come on later, perhaps at the top with

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy than we would like, but it has come on,

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Speaker 2: and you look at a group that includes Murphy who's

742
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Speaker 2: played very well, DJ Turner who's had an excellent season,

743
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Speaker 2: Jordan Battle who is serviceable at worst, Chase Brown, who's

744
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Speaker 2: a huge part of this offense. Andre Yoshavas game yesterday,

745
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Speaker 2: good game. Yeah, there are some pieces there. I want

746
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Speaker 2: to run through all these guys, but I want to

747
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Speaker 2: start with Dak.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Dak Cell finally has found a home on the outside.

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Speaker 2: It's gotten through the season healthy. In the second half

751
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: of the season, his pro football focused great has been terrific.

752
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: He's been awesome in coverage. He is winding down his

753
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Speaker 2: fourth NFL season. Would you sign Dak's Hill to an extension?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I think it could be. I don't think

755
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Speaker 3: you have to break the bank for him now.

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Speaker 4: It's a position of need across the NFL, so maybe

757
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: someone would be willing to. But I look at his play,

758
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Speaker 4: but I also look at the body of work. He

759
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 4: was drafted and everyone just talked about what a great

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Speaker 4: athlete he was. But is is he an inside guy?

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Speaker 4: Is he an outside guy? And then it was he's

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Speaker 4: going to be a safety for US. So in his

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Speaker 4: four years, he's been asked now to change positions twice,

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Speaker 4: He's played under two different defensive coordinators, He's come back

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Speaker 4: from multiple injuries, and now that he's playing consistent playing

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Speaker 4: time we're seeing the best stretch that he has played

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Speaker 4: with at a position that's hard to come by in

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Speaker 4: the National Football League. You know, he's not going to

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Speaker 4: have to be cornerback one. I feel good with him

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Speaker 4: going into a season as cornerback number two and resigned.

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Speaker 3: What about DJ Turner?

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Speaker 4: Love what you've seen out of him? I mean yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean again, you've seen it before where they've chosen

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Speaker 4: to walk away from guys that they drafted, and they've

775
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Speaker 4: spent years trying to or failing at replacing that player.

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Speaker 4: DJ Turner is a guy you can build around on defense,

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Speaker 4: a guy you can sit out there and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: we've got our corner number one, Dax Hill's corner number two.

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Speaker 4: That would at least allow you to say, okay, now

780
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Speaker 4: we can go about and picking and choosing linebacker, front four, safety.

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Speaker 4: There are just too many holes. Maybe if it's a

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Speaker 4: different year, maybe if you're talking about this defense in

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Speaker 4: the sense that you talk about the offense and there's

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Speaker 4: not much to address, you say, okay, can you get

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Speaker 4: nitpicky and look at a Dj Turner or Dax Seiel.

786
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Speaker 4: The way this defense is assembled and the moves that

787
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Speaker 4: they have to make I'd be perfectly fine with both

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Speaker 4: those guys.

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Speaker 2: Would you sign with one more year left on his deal?

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Speaker 2: Jordan Battle, Jerry's out still? Yeah, Like there are.

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Speaker 4: Times okay, there are times I think he is and

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Speaker 4: yeah and to his like, I'd like to see what

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Speaker 4: he could be if he hit a above average player

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Speaker 4: next to him.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you know it's it's probably hard.

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Speaker 2: But does he look good because Gino Stone is so bad?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a fair, fair question and criticism, Like, I

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Speaker 4: just don't know he he's the guy like for me

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Speaker 4: out of that whole draft class. I look at him

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Speaker 4: and I know he's been solid in a fan favorite.

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Speaker 4: I look at Yoshi Vash and say, do you do?

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Speaker 4: You run it back there?

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Speaker 3: Right? Like Yo with Yoshi? Good story, But.

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Speaker 2: He's been for a sixth round pick, he's been terrific.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but if you had your choice, you'd probably address

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Speaker 4: wide receiver three in a different way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow loves Andre yoshawaks does that how much weight

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Speaker 2: does that carry it?

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Speaker 3: It depends if it's.

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow on the podium Sunday saying, you know, season's done,

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Speaker 4: we need to make sure we get Andre yoshivashs back,

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Speaker 4: then all right, Joe, here you go again. If not,

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Speaker 4: and who knows what those conversations are behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: I just I look at what Yasiki's done down the stretch.

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Speaker 4: I look at what as a sixth rounder Yoshi Vash

817
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Speaker 4: has done. If you get another level up from Yoshi Vash,

818
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Speaker 4: how do you stop this offense?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I am with Yoshavas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, he is a known quantity quarterback.

823
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Speaker 2: Loves him his role on this team. He knows what

824
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Speaker 2: his role is. There's value there.

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Speaker 3: And again, there are only so many spots you can't address.

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Speaker 2: I certainly want him on the team next year. Again,

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Speaker 2: another guy who's under contract for one more year. I

828
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Speaker 2: don't know that I have a huge appetite for something

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Speaker 2: long term.

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Speaker 4: I'm starting to if I'm the Bengals, I'm starting to

831
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Speaker 4: go down the path of what's next there.

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy has been terrific and like folks roll their

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Speaker 2: eyes when you mention this, he has come on way

834
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Speaker 2: too late, right, But that doesn't mean he can't be

835
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Speaker 2: part of your team moving forward. Like you can't hold

836
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Speaker 2: against him as you talk about what's next, what he

837
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Speaker 2: didn't do in twenty three and twenty four, Like it

838
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: was impossible not to be frustrated with him, but it's

839
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Speaker 2: also impossible to watch him and not feel like, dude,

840
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Speaker 2: this guy's playing like he's among the best players in

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Speaker 2: his position in the sport. Paul, in his piece about

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three draft class, made the comparison to

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Speaker 2: Sam Hubbard, sam Hubbard's beloved in this town.

844
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Speaker 3: Now. Sam at the end wasn't all that productive.

845
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Speaker 2: But Miles Murphy as two more years if you assume

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00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 2: they're gonna pick up a fifty year option. I don't

847
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: know that they have to do anything long term with him.

848
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: But as you talk about pieces for next year, even

849
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 2: if you hate the fact you took him too long,

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00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: he is one of those pieces for next year.

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Speaker 4: Well, one because he's played really well and consisted down

852
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: the stretch. Two who else gonna be out there right right?

853
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: Like you got to make a decision, and I one

854
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: of the players that I think is is hurt by

855
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 4: the injury. I just needed more time with Osai. Yeah,

856
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: can you buy in? Like I saw some of the

857
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 4: contracts speculation or numbers, the numbers that are being thrown

858
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 4: out there for Osai. I can't justify the Bengals pain,

859
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 4: and then you have the whole Trey Hendrickson conversation again.

860
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: At some point, you got to have something that's stable there. Yeah,

861
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: Miles Murphy would be the most stable option at defensive

862
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: end if so, based on his play and the need there,

863
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 4: based on the roster.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if Miles Murphy hit free agency at the end

865
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Speaker 2: of the season, he would have a lot of suit.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The Chase Brown thing. We love Chase. He is a

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Speaker 2: running back. We know what the conversation has been about

869
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: paying running backs long term. He's also not a running

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Speaker 2: back that they give it to thirty times game. Not

871
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: that anybody really gets it thirty times a game, but

872
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: his wear and tear as he ages in this offense

873
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: is going to be mitigated by the fact that they're

874
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: never going to be primarily a running football team. He

875
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: obviously has one more year left on his deal. They've

876
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: invested a lot of money in their offense. What do

877
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: you do with Chase Brown? That's the hard one.

878
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: I just if you look at what Chase Brown has

879
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: done this year, with Jake browning, with Joe Flacco, with

880
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase has missed the game. T Higgins's

881
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: miss games. They've focused a lot on the offensive line,

882
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: and it's taken some time. The consistent piece on offense

883
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: has been Chase Brown. You know, he's fifty three yards

884
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: away from one thousand, he's nearing fifteen hundred total yards.

885
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: He is a every down back. You know, he puts

886
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: the work in you and I watched him. That'd be

887
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 4: one of the first ones out of training camp every

888
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: single day catching passes. I just that's one of those

889
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: moves that I feel like the elite organizations highlight that guy.

890
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: Get the deal done earlier rather than later, and never

891
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: let it get to a point where there's a big biddingmore. Yeah, like, hey,

892
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 4: we value you, we want you to be a part

893
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: of the future here. We want to get this deal

894
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 4: done now. Understanding you're not a guy that's getting twenty

895
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: five to thirty cut touches a game, but you're a

896
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: big part of what we do. The elite organizations, the

897
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: teams that do it right, that Chase Brown deal is

898
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 4: something that they get done sooner rather than later, get

899
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: it in the books and move on from him.

900
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: So to me, we talk about. You know, this is

901
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: something you and Austin have talked about a lot. How

902
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: do you change without making changes? How do you change

903
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: without firing people? This is one of those ways you

904
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: avoid the long drawn out contract soap opera which has

905
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: dominated the offseason free years. Jesse Bates, t Higgins, Joe

906
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, Joe Mixon, Trey Hendrickson. And the way you

907
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: do that is by getting out in front of things.

908
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 3: Now.

909
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: Ultimately, at the end of the day, the player has

910
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: to agree to sign, but you get out in front

911
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: of him.

912
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: But across the league, Yeah, how many signings are done

913
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: by players that are drafted by organizations.

914
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: You're like, man, they got that done early.

915
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you identify it's a talent, right, and you

916
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: move on and you get it on the books, and

917
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: then you move to a different position, like, hey, we're

918
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: good with running back now for the next four or

919
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 4: five years. And if you've got to supplement that with

920
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: what you paid a guy like p Ryan this year

921
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 4: or Tos Brooks something like that, so be it. But

922
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: you have a guy you drafted, the guy, identify that

923
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 4: he's a talent and get it done.

924
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: That to me is how they change and look, I

925
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: understand you're not going to sign everybody, and inevitably, if

926
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: you have a lot of good players, there's going to

927
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: be someone who's pissed about his contract and there's going

928
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: to be a hold in or a hold out, that

929
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: sort of thing.

930
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: But by their.

931
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: Own admission, the offseason got thrown askew because of how

932
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: long they took to get the Chase thing done and

933
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: the Higgins thing done. They waited way too long. The

934
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: way that Trey Hendrickson thing just drew out needlessly. If

935
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: you've really changed, you avoid to the best you can.

936
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: You avoid situations that are similar. And to me, where

937
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: that would start would be with Chase Brown.

938
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 4: And there's a like people would say, well, why wouldn't

939
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: Chase Brown just say kick rocks. Like as a player,

940
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 4: there's a level of comfort that comes with that. Sure,

941
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: you know where you're gonna be, you know the system,

942
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: you can settle in a little bit more than you

943
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: could under a rookie deal. And like I go back

944
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: to like Matt McClain last year, think he kicks himself

945
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 4: and turning the deal down not because but yeah, you

946
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: think if a running back there's a little bit more

947
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: risk of injury. If you're Chase Brown and here's a

948
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 4: nice offer on the table from the team that drafted

949
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: you the system. You know, maybe it's a little bit

950
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: less than what you'll get on the open market, but

951
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: are you risking running it back for a year? What

952
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: if you get injured? What if there's something you know

953
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: and then you're starting from scratch there. That's why that's

954
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: where teams can can win negotiations. Yeah, we drafted you,

955
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: we took a chance on you. Now we want to

956
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: resign you, and we want to do it now and

957
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: get this out of the way.

958
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Here's our offer, we'll pay you now. Correct, get out

959
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: in front of it.

960
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe you're not going to hit the open

961
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: market and be able to subject yourself to a league

962
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: wide bidding war, but you do have a degree of

963
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: long term security. Obviously, how they would structure guarantees and

964
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: stuff like that would be interesting. But yeah, again, like

965
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin's going to be in place this offseason, Zach

966
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: Taylor's going to be in placed this offseason. Al Golden's

967
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: going to be in placed this offseason. So okay, how

968
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: do you make changes without changing out the people? And

969
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: one of the ways you do it is by saying, Okay,

970
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: we're we're going to be more proactive than we have

971
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: been with some of these guys. Get deals done and

972
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: avoid contentious, long drawn out contracts, oap operas, and maybe

973
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: in some cases trade away a player that you really

974
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: don't that you're not that you don't have intentions of

975
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: signing long term, but you don't want to hang around

976
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: and provide a constraction.

977
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: You mentioned long term. The goal now is how can

978
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: we win now? Yeah? Not can we hold onto this

979
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: guy for two or three years? Right?

980
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: The goal is win now? What moves helped them win

981
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six? Chase Brown's a part of that.

982
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.

983
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: Eighteen after four o'clock Tony and Mo Football Show twin peaks.

984
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: By the way, the two pole questions, Yes, we'll get

985
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: to one here because we brought it up last hour.

986
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: If you could hire one of these men to coach

987
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: her football team next year, who would you choose?

988
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: All four AFC.

989
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: North coaches John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanski, Zach Taylor or Mike Tomlin.

990
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: Forty three point one percent say Mike Tomlin. Okay, twenty

991
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: nine point nine percent say John Harbaugh fourteen point two

992
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: percent say Kevin Stefanski and twelve point seven percent say

993
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor.

994
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: It's interesting, that's the I think the local like I

995
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: would be interested to know, like on a national level,

996
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: how that would be perceived.

997
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: I think the voting would look similar. Maybe Harball would

998
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: get more votes and Tomlin slightly lefts, but I think

999
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: that order. I think that order would basically be Tomlin's.

1000
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: The Fansky over.

1001
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: Zach's coach of the year, but the coach of the

1002
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: year before.

1003
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: All right, Zach went to a Super Bowl.

1004
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: But I think the one thing is with Zach, it's

1005
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: like he's solely tethered to Joe Burrow.

1006
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: Sure Stefancy's tethered to Deshaun Watson, unfortunately for him.

1007
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: Vote now at Muegger.

1008
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: We'll get to our second poll question when we come

1009
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: back nineteen after four o'clock. We're also going to run

1010
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: through all four college football playoff quarterfinal tilts, just those

1011
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 2: four no Liberty Ball previews in the five o'clock out.

1012
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: I made that a standalone segment.

1013
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: And it should be a standalone game. It really well.

1014
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: I don't think mustle and bustled New Year's even New

1015
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: Year's Day Friday, four thirty, breathe in yeat, Okay, I'm

1016
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 4: asleep in Friday, and then lock in four.

1017
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Thirty on Friday, Liberty from Memphis. Cincinnati versus Navy, Man,

1018
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: are you kidding?

1019
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: With its twenty four hours for Cincinnati Bearcats. They get

1020
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: to go beat Navy and then upset Houston on Saturday.

1021
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: Can't wait, It's twenty after four twin peaks in Westchester.

1022
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1023
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 6: This is Football in the NATI, brought to you by

1024
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 6: Modern Office Methods on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

1025
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 6: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1026
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: Twenty five as or four o'clock. This is the Tonymo

1027
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty. We are broadcasting from

1028
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: in west Chester. Six o'clock, the contractually obligated airing of

1029
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's Monday press conference. Coming up right around five

1030
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: forty Bengals and Browns.

1031
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: One o'clock.

1032
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow got his offensive lineman fossils.

1033
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: If you watch Quarterback on.

1034
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Netflix, yeah, his affinity for fossils is well known.

1035
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: He had all the linemen come over.

1036
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: His house and gave them based on seniority and how

1037
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: long they had been with the team. That sort of thing,

1038
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: A pick of fossils from dinosaurs, bears and mammoths.

1039
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: Would you like a fossil? No? Now, I'll say this.

1040
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: I looked it up.

1041
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: A thirty thousand year old wooly mammoth tusk goes for

1042
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: about thirty grand.

1043
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: Goes for about thirty grand? Where though, correct who you

1044
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: reselling it to? Right? I thought the samurai swords were

1045
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 3: enough last year. I thought that was cool. We're building

1046
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: museums now in their houses, no problem with that, and

1047
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: I decorated. Listen.

1048
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 4: I think if you get to a point now, listen,

1049
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: if I was one of the linemen and it was

1050
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: like wooly mammoth tusk, a bear head or a t

1051
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: rex artifact, I want the t rex t rex that.

1052
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm having a different conversation, but I'll be honest.

1053
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: If I'm a line, I want the like like give

1054
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: me a Rolex. A lot of guys get side by,

1055
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 4: like Aaron Rodgers gave his guys side by sides. Mahomes

1056
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: always comes up with some pretty cool gifts. I get

1057
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: that Burrow is unique and it's probably a story piece

1058
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: for years to come that these guys could tell Hey,

1059
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow gave me that wooly mammoth tusk for me

1060
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: though it's just just not my style. I just if

1061
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: I brought home a wooly mammoth tusk, yeah, hanging over

1062
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: the fireplace, and to my wife, Hey, clear some room

1063
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 4: in the living room so we can hang this on

1064
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 4: the wall, she'd go, none of my house or not?

1065
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: You mean you don't have any room? By the samurai.

1066
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: Sword, she would think that was cool.

1067
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: The swords are like the swords, like we're used in

1068
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: battle and they've got story. And I know that obviously

1069
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 4: the fossils do as well. But like for me, I'm like,

1070
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 4: I get that that's your thing really not my thing,

1071
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: So get all the fossils you want. But I don't know,

1072
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: like and I think the players are always gonna say

1073
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 4: the right thing. Like Ted Carris was awesome, like, yeah,

1074
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: what a gift? What a story?

1075
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: You think the us when they all left, they were

1076
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: looking at each other like how do I do it?

1077
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 4: Because it's real, Like is there another gift that's coming

1078
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: or are you training?

1079
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if one of the other alignment was like, hey, Ted,

1080
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: you really like those fossils huh.

1081
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: Well, Fairchild was the one that got the t rex thing.

1082
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: So I'm like, hey, rook, right, yeah, that's my t

1083
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: Rex tooth. You can have this tusk. But let's say

1084
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: you're a Dalton Riser. Maybe Dalton's not into fossils. Do

1085
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 4: you go to ten and go, hey, man, you like

1086
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: those fossils?

1087
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: What do you got to watch it again?

1088
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 4: Like Rogers got like side by side vehicles for his guys,

1089
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: or you know, Mahomes always takes care of his and

1090
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: I know a lot of those guys that's partnerships are

1091
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 4: already have in place and it's not them spent. So

1092
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 4: it probably is Burrow spending more money on this stuff.

1093
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: I just don't know if I'm buying into it.

1094
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: So Orlando Brown, obviously you wouldn't like a fossil because

1095
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: I don't actually got you something for our eleventh year

1096
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: that's gonna bring next week that.

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00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: It's a fossil I found at the creek.

1098
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna make a joke that I'm not because

1099
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 2: it probably really get me a trouble at work. Orlando

1100
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: Brown played for the Ravens with Joe Flacco, played for

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00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes and so he's gotten some

1102
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: cool stuff. So he says, Joe Flacco got him a

1103
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: slushy machine.

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00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

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00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: He was also gifted a Rolex Watch by Patrick Mahomes

1106
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: and re Ramoa luggage.

1107
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: So a pold question is which is the best gift Fossils,

1109
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: Ramoa luggage.

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00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: I put Remova. Yeah, I'd remove that from the list.

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00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: Rolex Watch or slushy machine? Forty seven and a half

1112
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: percent say Rolex Watch, Yes, is that the one you

1113
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: would go with?

1114
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: That's timeless? They tell time? Does it not timeless? Time full?

1115
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, give me the Rolex. I know there's a resale

1116
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: value on those babies too. I don't know if I

1117
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 4: could walk in and be like, hey, I got this

1118
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: wooly mammoth tusk willing to give me on it?

1119
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 7: All?

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00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: Right? About the slushy machine? How many flavors?

1121
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: Sure? And like once I'm out of flavors, do I

1122
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: not have to go with?

1123
00:53:59,160 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 7: Like?

1124
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: Is it like, hey, we'll stock in every six months?

1125
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: Because if that's the case, Can I make bourbon slushes?

1126
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1127
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: Can I make adult slushies out of it? Like the

1128
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: slushy machine? For me, I'm intrigued. I want to know

1129
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: more about you probably get the most use out of

1130
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: the slushy machine without question, but it face back. I

1131
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: don't know what remove a luggage is. I don't really

1132
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: care about luggage either. I would probably go Rolex watch,

1133
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: then slushy machine, then the fossils, then the the luggage.

1134
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 3: I agree. I can't get you a Rolex, I think,

1135
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: but I can find you a fillow like.

1136
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: I love the look of watches. I'm always terrified to

1137
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: get a really nice one because I'll bang it.

1138
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that sort of things. Screw it up yep.

1139
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: Slushy machine, though, I think, does have the most practical usage.

1140
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1141
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: I have to go back through the list of like,

1142
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: what's been the best gifts we've ever heard or seen

1143
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: before of quarterbacks that have gifted linemen When you were

1144
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: in Carolina, nothing I did not well, I don't know

1145
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 4: what Jimmy did or not. I was gonna a rookie

1146
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 4: dinner and I was still I was shocked from that.

1147
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 4: And by the time Christmas came around on the team,

1148
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: I was on Jimmy.

1149
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: Gutt All, he didn't get all sixteen starts. Derek Anderson gout,

1150
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: Matt Moore, Matt Moore, Matt Moore is the majority start,

1151
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: So did he buy gifts?

1152
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: Don't?

1153
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: I don't remember. All I remember about that time of

1154
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: the year was how many weeks are left? Because we're

1155
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: getting the number one pick?

1156
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: Now that like college quarterbacks are getting paid. Honey, they're

1157
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: getting Do they have to do this now? Well, I

1158
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: mean Sowresby took all the lineman to Rubies every week.

1159
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: I mean my college experience a little bit different than.

1160
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you this. I had, I had, we

1161
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 4: fed the lineman, but mom and dad were throwing stuff

1162
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: on the grill, right.

1163
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: I wasn't.

1164
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to Jeff Rubies. But we I mean

1165
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: we had Lineman dinners.

1166
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 3: Was I remember?

1167
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: I brought like donuts and stuff for the guys. But

1168
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: I gotta, I gotta take these guys to Jeff Rubies

1169
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 4: every time we win a game.

1170
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: So Big Steam's over there grilling out steaks for.

1171
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: Long steaks, burgers, hot dogs. Big Steve was on the grill,

1172
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: was he yeah?

1173
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: Like to be there for that? That was our That

1174
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: was my nil experience.

1175
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Speaker 2: Take away.

1176
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 3: I can't take you guys the Jeff Rubies.

1177
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: But my mom and dad said they'd grill some stuff

1178
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 4: for us if you want come on over.

1179
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: We are at Twin Peaks in Westchester, the Tony and

1180
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: Moe Football Show. We'll look at all for college football

1181
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:17,200
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1182
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1183
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1188
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Speaker 3: Do you say Jared Golf got his guys golf clubs.

1189
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: Golf carts, golf carts. I was looking at some of

1190
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: these over the break. Jared Golf gifted his guys custom

1191
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 4: golf carts. Aaron Rodgers went cam canam Maverick side by sides,

1192
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: which are crazy cars, off road stuff. But Josh Allen

1193
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 4: got his Lineman a Infrare grill, and then they got

1194
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: him each a quarter cow. Oh Man, So that ain't

1195
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: bet either too. Hey, we're gonna take care of your stakes. Yeah,

1196
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: burgers and whatever else you want to do with this cow.

1197
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 4: That's on our behalf.

1198
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is gonna play on Sunday, even though the

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Speaker 2: game doesn't matter. Bengals and Browns on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1200
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 2: kickoff at one pm. UC has hired a new quarterbacks coach.

1201
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: David Rowe comes to Cincinnati from Rutgers. Spent the last

1202
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: two years as the quarterbacks coach for the Scarlet Knights.

1203
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: You see basketball in action tonight against Lipskim at seven

1204
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLWNKU is at Robert Morris tonight. That

1205
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: game airs on the Project one hundred point seven to

1206
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: one oh sixty three. Mark Pope Show tonight at six.

1207
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: That's on Fox Sports thirteen sixty because Bengals line is

1208
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: on six to nine on ESPN fifteen thirty. In hockey

1209
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: this evening, the Blue Jackets skate at Ottawa Tony Peaks here.

1210
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: College football playoff quarterfinals begin on New Year's Eve Wednesday

1211
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: night the Cotton Bowl Ohio State on Miami. The Buckeys

1212
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: are nine and a half point favorites. Who do you

1213
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: like in that one?

1214
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 4: You know, I think kind of the theme last year

1215
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: was all four teams that had buys lost. You know

1216
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: what I look for in this weekend's games the teams

1217
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: that were off. How do they navigate that? Because now

1218
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 4: you've seen a year of it, You saw what happened

1219
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 4: all the teams last year. What have you done in

1220
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: the meantime to make sure you're ready to go? The

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00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: one thing I feel I don't think Miami can keep

1222
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: up offensively. I don't think they can score ant against

1223
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 4: also State. But Ohio State's weakness was against good fronts,

1224
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: and Miami's front on both sides of the ball is good.

1225
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: They got a really good defensive line. I think Ohio

1226
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 4: State wins. I don't think they put up a ton

1227
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: of points, but I think I think it's a game.

1228
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: You're talking more about Matt Patricia's Ohio State defense and

1229
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: them shutting down Miami than you are talking about the

1230
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: explosiveness Ohio State, and I think the more of a

1231
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 4: combination of how good Miami is upfront and the fits

1232
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 4: that Indiana gave them upfront in that game they lost.

1233
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Ohio State to win the game. Yes,

1234
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to cover the number nine.

1235
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: And a half. I think that's a lot.

1236
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, the team that nobody is talking about two

1237
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: and a half point dogs against Oregon and the Orange Bowl.

1238
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: You get the best run defense in the country against

1239
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: a great run game, and I think a fun quarterback

1240
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: matchup between Dante Moore and Baron Morton.

1241
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 4: I am biased to Texas Tech because I think they're

1242
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: slept on nationally. Say twelve two and zero Bowl games.

1243
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: Take twelve's two and oh Bowl games. They're running through stuff.

1244
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

1245
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: Look, Texas Tech is good. Their top ten offense in

1246
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: the top ten defense. They are balanced, they can beat

1247
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: in a couple different ways. I love Dan Landing at Oregon.

1248
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't think they're as dominant or as good as

1249
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 4: they've been in the past. The only thing I can

1250
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: think of here is what we talked about before. Oregon

1251
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 4: has the the understanding. They went through this last where

1252
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: they had to long layoff, they went through it this

1253
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: year where they played the early game. How does Texas

1254
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: Tech navigate in a new system for them of where

1255
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 4: they're at getting ready. I think it's outlandish that they're

1256
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: underdogs in this because I think Texas Tech might be

1257
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: the second best team playing right now.

1258
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Speaker 2: I'm happy they are because I'll take the point, but

1259
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Speaker 2: I will take the points with Texas Tech. Indiana is

1260
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Speaker 2: a touchdown favored against Alabama.

1261
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Speaker 4: It's weird because everyone leaning in is saying that Alabama

1262
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 4: is the team that shouldn't be in. And the more

1263
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 4: people I've asked, if you pick one upset this weekend,

1264
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 4: who is it? People say Alabama, And I don't know

1265
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: if that's more because of Alabama or that's more because

1266
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: of Indiana. I know they have a big they'd lost

1267
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 4: a major contributor on the defensive line. It's time off.

1268
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 4: It's a team that hasn't been around a lot. Alabama,

1269
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: say what you want. They're battle tested. They've been in

1270
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 4: a lot of big games, huge come from behind victory

1271
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 4: against Oklahoma. I still think Indiana is a better team,

1272
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 4: but this one wouldn't shock me if Alabama kept this close.

1273
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Speaker 3: I think they cover the number eight. It's Indiana.

1274
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: I think Indiana's gonna cover Ty Simpson's inconsistent, sure Mendoza's

1275
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: the third down throw he made against Ohio State, the

1276
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 2: play he makes against Penn State. Alabama's rush offense isn't

1277
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: the most reliable. I think Indiana is gonna win that game,

1278
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: and I think Indiana can cover seven points. Ole Miss

1279
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: and Georgia Bulldogs six and a half point favorites.

1280
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: It feels to me like, for whatever reason, Georgia is

1281
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 4: the most slept on team.

1282
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: Left for maining. Could not agree more.

1283
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 4: And they're playing it so well, right, I don't understand

1284
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: the SEC champion, Yes, And people are just kind of

1285
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: like and then there's old miss in Georgia right, like

1286
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 4: everything people talk about Texas Tech, Oregon, Ohio State on

1287
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 4: New Year's Eve, the number one seed Indiana, and it's

1288
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: just like George is lost in all of this. I

1289
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: still think there's great value for Georgia to win the

1290
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 4: national title.

1291
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Speaker 3: So I wrote those down.

1292
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ohio State's a prohibitive favorite plus one ninety,

1293
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: Indiana plus three ten, Georgia's plus five hundred.

1294
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: The SEC title, Yes, SEC champion.

1295
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: That is insane value for an SEC championship, for an

1296
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: SEC champion that's playing in this round a team they'd beaten.

1297
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: And a team that doesn't have their head coach.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, I think of all the draws, I think

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01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 4: Georgia has to like theirs the most, Yes, because.

1300
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Speaker 3: I think they can win that, and I think they can.

1301
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: I think they can go on and win after that.

1302
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 4: I think they are a legitimate threat.

1303
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Georgia. I like the value there. They

1304
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: ran for two twenty six in the first game against

1305
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: Old Miss. There is the sentimental part of me that

1306
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: wants the Rebels to advance playing without their head Coavin

1307
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffen wearing that cool looking leather jacket he had

1308
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: on TV for LSU's bowl game against Houston. But I

1309
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: was doing this this morning and I knew Ohio State

1310
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: was the odds on favorite. I had not made a

1311
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: college football playoff futures bet. That changed about ten seconds

1312
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: after I saw plus five hundred next to Georgia.

1313
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: Incredible value. I'm taking the Bulldogs. It's not a bowl question.

1314
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: But since the last time we talked, Kyle Whittingham became

1315
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: the coach at Michigan, Well, were your thoughts on that higher?

1316
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: Because the names that were being thrown out there, I'm like, man,

1317
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 4: they're gonna get desperate, and then it's Whittingham, and I'm

1318
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: like cool.

1319
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: So I think if you're looking for adult in the room,

1320
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: and sure is somebody who's just going to put an

1321
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: end to all the bs.

1322
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 3: Up there, that's the guy. Sure.

1323
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: Well what I would wonder is, you know, and maybe

1324
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: Michigan's resources are such that it doesn't matter where the

1325
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: coach is coming from. But that guy has spent his

1326
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: entire life in Utahah, and so is he going to

1327
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: be able to get dudes in this part of the

1328
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: country doesn't matter. Can you get guys from the western

1329
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: part of the United States that maybe Sharon Moore or

1330
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. I think it's interesting that he's an urban

1331
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Meyer guy.

1332
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: You know, when he was.

1333
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 4: Asked about Ohio State in his press conference, like do

1334
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: you dislike Ohio State, He's like, well, I guess I

1335
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 4: do now, just very Yeah. So he's done good things

1336
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: for Utah.

1337
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: He's done won sixty six percent of his game.

1338
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: We watched that Utah team man handle the bar t yeah,

1339
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 4: and like it felt like they had men ushered you.

1340
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: I mean they were a G five school, right ushered

1341
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: them into the Pac twelve and then the Big twelve.

1342
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: He is.

1343
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: I would imagine one of the I don't know five

1344
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: or six most highly respected people in his profession was.

1345
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: A Michigan fan.

1346
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: And I was seeing the names being thrown out there,

1347
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, my Dyllian m right there yet, and then

1348
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 4: all of a sudden it's like, okay, yeah, get behind

1349
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 4: this and you know, it's not gonna be a dude

1350
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 4: that's there for ten twelve years who cares four or

1351
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 4: five years and then you can, you know, establish yourselves

1352
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 4: back to where you are. Yeah, you can get the name.

1353
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 4: I thought it was a home run based on where

1354
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 4: they were in the process.

1355
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: I just if you were looking like it's a big name,

1356
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel like it, right. I mean, that

1357
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: is a big name in college football circles. Maybe not

1358
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: a big name because he's been only at Utah as

1359
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: a head coach, But like the biggest name isn't always

1360
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: the best higher And I think, like you know, there

1361
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: were folks dreaming about what you could pull Lane Kiffin

1362
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: away from LSU before he even coaches a game. I

1363
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: don't know. You just went from a circus to the

1364
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: traveling circus that is Lane Kiffin, which I think is fun.

1365
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: I think Brian Kelly was ever tossed around. Do you

1366
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 3: think Brian Kelly will ever coach again?

1367
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: Somebody in the Michigan circle had brought out somebody had

1368
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: to have said what about Brian Kelly? And then maybe

1369
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: they got shot down. But do you think I do

1370
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: you think I'll coach again?

1371
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1372
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd being a rough because I think

1373
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 4: he'll be Think what you want about him. He'll be

1374
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: great in a studio role.

1375
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: I think be awesome. It'll be awesome on a on

1376
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: a TV or studio role.

1377
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: He did NFL Network NFL Draft for two years because

1378
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: he did it the year the Bengals took Tyler Eifert

1379
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: and he was awesome. Like in that setting, he was awesome.

1380
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: I want him to coach, Yeah, because I don't. You

1381
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: should have different feelings than I do. I root for

1382
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly because he was awesome coaching the program that

1383
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: I care about.

1384
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: You think you'd want to come back here? You know,

1385
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: just cast that checked that. LSU's right.

1386
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he would want to do that

1387
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: A year off.

1388
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't think he would want to do that.

1389
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 2: But I I hated what he got he deserved. I mean,

1390
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: I fully believe that. But he's not a Hall of

1391
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: Fame coaching career. Yeah, I guess the all time winning

1392
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: his coach at Notre Dame. He had them in the

1393
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: National Championship conversation, in the BCS and in the playoff

1394
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: that they weren't with all the coaches they had before him.

1395
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: I think for his career to end the way it

1396
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: ended at LSU would be would be sad. So I'm

1397
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: hoping he gets a chance to author a better final

1398
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: chapter where that would be sure. I have no idea,

1399
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: And again I'm not making excuses for the guy. He

1400
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: got what he deserved. But but I I he says handled,

1401
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: he's had a good He's had a very good career

1402
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: that I think it would be cool if he got

1403
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: a chance to author one more good chapter.

1404
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 4: Multiple times he has handled moving on from a school poorly,

1405
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 4: very If he's handled it the right way or better,

1406
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 4: he would be viewed completely different as one of the

1407
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 4: best offensive geniuses in football. Yeah, that's it, agree, Because

1408
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: where he's went he's won, uh huh. But it's been

1409
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 4: how he's left that has left people the wrong way.

1410
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: This this cycle very very strange. I'm you know, you

1411
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: look at Luke Fickle in Wisconsin. Yeah, Scott Sadderfield at

1412
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati. A lot of coaches moving into

1413
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: spots next year where it feels like, okay, they maybe

1414
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: have gotten one more year than people would like, you know,

1415
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: probably with ignoring some names.

1416
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 4: Well, with the Baylor big Man getting eligibility I'd at

1417
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 4: least do my due diligence. Yeah, you know, I think

1418
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 4: I was hampered because I played that one game.

1419
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 3: That's right.

1420
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 4: If I hadn't got in that game, I think I

1421
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 4: have a case that I could have been the quarterback

1422
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: later in the week in Memphis, and what fun that

1423
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: would have been.

1424
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 3: For you or for me both.

1425
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 4: I would have asked for a little bit of one

1426
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 4: of those nil checks and a chance to run the

1427
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 4: Scott's sadderfield system as opposed to the BK system.

1428
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: BK system worked out pretty well for it. It is

1429
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: ten away from five o'clock Tony and Mo Football Show.

1430
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: We'll have the Liberty Ball preview. We want to talk

1431
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: about a lot of other stuff going around the NFL,

1432
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: including something that should happen almost instantly. Plus what a

1433
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: difference to two weeks makes because the Bengals got destroyed

1434
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: against the Ravens fifteen days ago. Fifteen days later, they're fixed.

1435
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 3: Yep, everything's right.

1436
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: We'll get to that coming up at five oh five

1437
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: The Tony and Mo Football Show, The Power Hour, The

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Speaker 2: bud Light five o'clock Happy Hour on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: We are broadcasting today from Twin Peaks in west Chester,

1451
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: our last Westchester Twin Peaks show of the season. We're

1452
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: back in Florence next week for the season finale, the

1453
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 2: day after the Bengals take on the Cleveland Browns. Let's

1454
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: talk about west Chester. First of all, very easy to

1455
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: get to I seventy five Union Center Boulevard Exit. You'll

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,919
Speaker 2: be here in seconds. Great menu, tons of TVs, awesome staff,

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Speaker 2: great beer selection.

1458
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: We love Twin Peaks here.

1459
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: In Westchester and thank the staff here for having us.

1460
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: Ran fireplaces Roran. We need to tell the folks in

1461
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: Florence get that fireplace going. Next week, Yeah, no question

1462
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: about it. The Liberty Bowl preview is coming up in

1463
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: just about thirty minutes.

1464
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 3: Tune in.

1465
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: Tony's excited for that. We'll also talk about NFL Yes

1466
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 2: said as they make their travel plans to go to Memphis.

1467
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 4: We met someone today at our show we did that

1468
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 4: is going to the Liberty Bowl.

1469
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 3: I was good to know.

1470
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 2: We didn't ask him if he was like bringing people.

1471
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 3: Now traveling with it. He is running from something.

1472
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: That is the first person I've met who has said

1473
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: they're going to yep, Memphis.

1474
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 3: I want to hear from more.

1475
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 4: Well, you know, with our Liberty Bowl preview.

1476
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 3: Maybe on the airplane on Tuesday, find more, a whole

1477
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 3: lot more, meet more.

1478
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: We'll get to the Liberty BWL here in a bit.

1479
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: We'll also talk about an NFL playoff change that I

1480
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: think is overdue, and talk about San Francisco and Chicago,

1481
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: which was awesome on Sunday Night football last night, Bengals

1482
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: were maybe not awesome, but dominant. They win handily beat

1483
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals thirty seven to fourteen. Cincinnati is now

1484
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: six and ten after winning what will forever be known

1485
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: for my money as the Cody Ford game.

1486
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 4: As Dan Horde described him, Rumbland stumbling twenty one yards

1487
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 4: on the catch. You gotta like that with yards after

1488
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 4: the yards after catch if you're the quarterback. And you

1489
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 4: really wonder mo with what we've seen Pittsburgh use Darnell

1490
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 4: Washington with against the Bengals this year, I don't think

1491
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 4: there's a much discrepancy in weight between Darnell Washington Cody Ford.

1492
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: I don't think Cody Ford is a good offensive lineman.

1493
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 3: A good receiver, maybe receiver number three.

1494
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 4: That's the role that he's It was fun, though, and

1495
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 4: you know the team enjoyed it. That's one of the

1496
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 4: the fruits of having a dominant lead. And and you

1497
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 4: know you're playing against a team. Call it what it is,

1498
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: Arizona's completely checked out. Yes, you're talking about a team

1499
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 4: that's checked out and not Competitive's Arizona Cardinals.

1500
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 3: And I think they're going through injuries.

1501
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: I don't think Klas Campbell was no, and I don't

1502
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: think Trey McBride was.

1503
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 4: I think mc bride was getting that he was gonna

1504
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 4: get that record regardless. But there were points in the

1505
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 4: first half where I'm thinking, like, why is to Kobe?

1506
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 4: Were sett not just throwing to Trey McBride Moore, Like

1507
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 4: I fully thought it was gonna be like the Jamar Chase.

1508
01:11:58,600 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 3: Here he comes.

1509
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: Targeted to three, But yeah, it's quiet. There were times

1510
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: like why is he not getting targeted? Yeah, and outside

1511
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: of a few different mishaps, pretty solid on defense. Four

1512
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 4: different Bengals registered to sack offense, Joe Burrow found ten

1513
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 4: different receivers. I would have liked to see him up

1514
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 4: right a little bit more. Yeah, you know, not only

1515
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 4: three sacks, but two where he got up winsing a

1516
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 4: little bit and you're like, all right, I'm good seeing enough. Yes,

1517
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: get him the hat, get him the clip board. Yep,

1518
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 4: move on to next season. That's really you kind of

1519
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 4: look forward to the last matchup against Cleveland. That's what

1520
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: you kind of circle making sure I don't you're gonna

1521
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 4: play him great? Can we max protect more? Can we

1522
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 4: do more?

1523
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: Two main routes they had a lot of and Zach

1524
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: talked about it, you'll hear it in the press conference

1525
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: later on, but they they had a lot of formations

1526
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: with six offensive linemen. Yeah, I would play the entire

1527
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: game that way, I would do.

1528
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 3: A lot more of that. I would do a lot

1529
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: more of that, but.

1530
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: I would I would just tell Joe take the rest

1531
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: of the season off.

1532
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 3: Correct but fun.

1533
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, Jamar becomes he writes his name in NFL record

1534
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 4: books from thousand yard receiving years with touchdowns in each

1535
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 4: of his first five years. He's been awesome. Chase Brown

1536
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 4: is closing in on an awesome season. He's closing in

1537
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 4: on a thousand yards on the ground in fifteen hundred total.

1538
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 4: And the defense, albeit against if you're a competition, has

1539
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 4: been better.

1540
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 2: It has been You have to consider who they've played,

1541
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: but yes, they have played the way they're supposed to

1542
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: against not great offenses. You know, it's the question that

1543
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: we started the show by addressing. It's the question that

1544
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: we addressed yesterday, and it.

1545
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 3: Really right now.

1546
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: I think if you assume they're going to beat the Browns,

1547
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 2: which maybe we shouldn't, but but if they do, and

1548
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 2: they end this season with three consecutive wins, there is

1549
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: a very legitimate fear. And it may prove to be

1550
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 2: a fear that we laugh at in six months.

1551
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 3: I hope so.

1552
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: But there's a very legitimate fear that the success they're

1553
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: having at the end of the season is going to

1554
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: impair their decision making. And I I just I go

1555
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 2: back to us doing the last show of the season

1556
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 2: a year ago, when put a bow on it, they

1557
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 2: win five straight, don't make the postseason. We talked with

1558
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: certainty about how they were going to almost overhaul the defense,

1559
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: and they and we did that because it was so

1560
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: painfully obvious that they had to do a lot to

1561
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: fix the defense. Well, what was obvious to you and

1562
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: I was apparently not obvious to do, Tobin.

1563
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 4: So it's a fear for so many not because people

1564
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 4: wonder if it can happen, because people have seen.

1565
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 3: It happen, It did happen, happened a year ago.

1566
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 4: That's the problem, you know, Ken Bruce said yesterday he's

1567
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 4: seen this far too many times. First lifetime, you run

1568
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,440
Speaker 4: out the string, you play better against some bad competition,

1569
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 4: and next thing you know, you're talking yourself into not

1570
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 4: being that far off. The difference to me is, and

1571
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 4: I know you've talked about it. The psychoanalysis of Joe

1572
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 4: Burrow the last couple of weeks and the message that

1573
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 4: I believe was sent by Joe Burrow. Not that I'm

1574
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 4: going to retire, not that I'm to request the trade,

1575
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 4: but winning matters to me, and we don't have time

1576
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 4: to mess around anymore with this offense. We don't have

1577
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 4: time for the rebuild. It's about winning now and that

1578
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 4: should lead to significant change this offseason. And if it doesn't,

1579
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 4: then it's a harder conversation to have at the start

1580
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 4: of the year. But that is the reason why so

1581
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 4: many are worried with how the stretch is playing out.

1582
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it takes away from it, but there

1583
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 4: are people that watch the game and like, oh, that's cool,

1584
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 4: but I hope it doesn't mean this right. It takes

1585
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 4: away from fully locking into the last couple of weeks

1586
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 4: because in the back of your mind, like, I hope

1587
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen again, right, Not, I hope it doesn't

1588
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 4: happen for the first time.

1589
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope it doesn't happen again. Yeah.

1590
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 2: And that's exactly I process the success the last two weeks.

1591
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 2: Two ways. One is just how you outlined it. I'm

1592
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: not gonna root against him if they lose, Okay, if

1593
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: they win, fine, it's fun to watch and win. But man,

1594
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: I do wonder if winning is gonna negatively impact how

1595
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 2: they go about fixing this team. I also look at

1596
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: it this way, like they have shown you the last

1597
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, not that they're not that far away,

1598
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 2: but that there is something to build around. There is something,

1599
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 2: there's something to there's a foundation. The foundation is the offense.

1600
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: Like it's not even one player, one position group. The

1601
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: foundation is the offense. And so Duke Tobin has earned

1602
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: a lot of distrust. I don't trust him. That said,

1603
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: he's got a pretty enviable job. Hey, you've got to

1604
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: fix a team that has Joe Burrow, all the weaponry,

1605
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: decent offensive line, all the pieces in place. You've got

1606
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: a lot of money to spend on defense, and even

1607
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 2: a handful of pieces on defense that have emerged as

1608
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: guys that you are at least happy being on the

1609
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: team now. Doing what he's been tesked with doing is

1610
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: not easy. But there's a lot of people in his

1611
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: role around the league that if you said you got

1612
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 2: a busy offseason in front of you, would love to

1613
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 2: be able to say, well, I've only got to fix

1614
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: this part of the team, because over here I may

1615
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 2: be league best.

1616
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just you hope that there's no one in

1617
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 4: those meetings that's just standing up and saying, hey, guys,

1618
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 4: you know it took a new decordinator some time to

1619
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 4: get his feel.

1620
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: Of the team.

1621
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 4: And you know, after he had that bye week and

1622
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 4: you did some self scout, defense has played better. Like

1623
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 4: there shouldn't be anyone that ever listens to that in

1624
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 4: that building anymore.

1625
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

1626
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 4: Hey, I know he didn't he didn't threaten it, but

1627
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 4: we need to make sure that that the struggles Joe

1628
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 4: was going through never come back, and that means winning. Now,

1629
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean anymore. You know what, Let's see what

1630
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 4: Demitrius Knight and Barrett Carter can do after the whole offseason. No,

1631
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: it is no making moves to win now that Joe

1632
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 4: Burrow is gonna be thirty next year, He's gone through

1633
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 4: a ton of injuries.

1634
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: Call it what it is. I know.

1635
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 4: I know that everyone hopes he's got ten more years

1636
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 4: to play, and I do too, But the reality is

1637
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 4: he's gonna be thirty. The window is closing. It's time

1638
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 4: to do it now. You've got no more equity build up,

1639
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 4: You've got no more of this. Well, we'll draft and develop.

1640
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 4: Got they've got to win.

1641
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: Now we are closer to the end of his current

1642
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: contract than we are the year he took the Bengals

1643
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Right, four seasons have taken place

1644
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 2: since he has four seasons left on his deal.

1645
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, like do the math, and.

1646
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: I promise you sooner rather than later, they will come

1647
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: to him and want to re up long term. So

1648
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: to me, that's what this is about as much as anything.

1649
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 2: It's not him bailing, it's him going. You know, I

1650
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: think I'm good.

1651
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: And if you think his mentality is bad right now,

1652
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 3: be four.

1653
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 4: And ten next year exactly ten faith being this point

1654
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 4: next year, yep. And you and I talk about this

1655
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 4: with Cincinnati Sports all the time. How nice it would be,

1656
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 4: whether it's coming down the stretch and baseball, or this

1657
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 4: time of the year in football or March in basketball,

1658
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 4: and not saying is the team that I care for deeply?

1659
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 4: Are they on the outside looking in? Are they on

1660
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 4: the bubble or are they playing for seeding?

1661
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said to my wife last night watching that

1662
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: San Francisco the Chicago game that we're going to talk

1663
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 2: about in a few minutes, I'm dying to see the

1664
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 2: Bengals play in a game like this. Remember like what

1665
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: was so fun the demor Hamley game going into it

1666
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: was huge game, lots of stakes, but it doesn't end

1667
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: your season.

1668
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: Correct.

1669
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: I want to play in games like that where lots

1670
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: riding on it and.

1671
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: There's a huge reward.

1672
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a division, maybe it's the one seed, but

1673
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: if you lose, okay, we're still going to be a

1674
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: playoff team. Those are the sort of games I am

1675
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: dying for the Bengals to play in. Not these, Well,

1676
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: if you win this one, they're odds of making the postseason.

1677
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 2: The postseason go up and they'll be six percent yep.

1678
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: And if they can get this team to finish one

1679
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: in four and and this team to have a bunch

1680
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: of guys quit, then they're a playoff team.

1681
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 4: If they went out, It's just it's every season of

1682
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 4: sports in Cincinnati right now. You know placement can JJ

1683
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 4: bledabro oh oh we could barely park yesterday at the

1684
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: Banks to get to our show on.

1685
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you. I should have taken a picture

1686
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: of that line outside of the Reds ticket office for

1687
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:17,480
Speaker 2: JJ Blade.

1688
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: But it has like how many years is it? Well?

1689
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 4: If the redsk if they sweep this weekend series, then're

1690
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 4: only two backs of the wild card. If the Bengals

1691
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 4: can win their last four and these other teams like,

1692
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 4: then there's a path or well, you know, if if

1693
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: they could do this in the Big twelve and the

1694
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 4: Bearcats like so done with just what has to happen

1695
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: in order to maybe have a chance to make postseason.

1696
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 3: Just want to have fun, JJ Blade.

1697
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 2: Oh you're gonna have fun this year watching him.

1698
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 3: You're right, JJ, down your line.

1699
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw I put this on Twitter.

1700
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: I just I was sitting in the parking lot at Cole's.

1701
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 3: Oh you saw him? No? Oh?

1702
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: And I had to go return something because they do

1703
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 2: the like you can drop off the Amazon's returns, and

1704
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: I this was Saturday, and I'm like, I'm gonna go

1705
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: in there and there's gonna be eighty five people in line,

1706
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: which there were. So I'm sitting in my car and

1707
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: I look in there. I saw the JJ Bleday news.

1708
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: I heard it on this seven hundred WLW news. I'm like,

1709
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: all right, watched him play, and I just typed in Google. Yeah,

1710
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 2: similar players to JJ Bleday and the three names that

1711
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,839
Speaker 2: came up were Jake Frayley, yep, Will Benson and Austin Hayes.

1712
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 3: There we go replace it with the replacement.

1713
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: I can't believe they dumped that on a busy weekend,

1714
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 4: on a holiday weekend.

1715
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: I thought that would be like, I hold that to

1716
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: the new year.

1717
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 2: I don't have you need depth pieces. There are twenty

1718
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: six guys on the roster. You need better options on

1719
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: the back end. I understand that, but there has been

1720
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 2: such an over reliance on dudes like that.

1721
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: But holidays people are usually little tight on money. They've

1722
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 3: spent a lot.

1723
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 4: Why would you announce that over the holidays? And then

1724
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 4: you know, way not wait to the new year. People

1725
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 4: get a little bit more money in the pocket now

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01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 4: they want to go re up the season tickets JJ boda.

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Speaker 2: You saw the line yesterday. They call people in on

1728
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 2: a Sunday. They told us to get down there earlier

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01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 2: for our show. Yeah, like they they called people in

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: to work the ticket office and on a Sunday like

1731
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 2: and I respect those folks for coming in relatively short

1732
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: and good thing it was good weather, wasn't that cold?

1733
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: I mean the line was like wrapped around the team stores. Incredible, yeah, incredible,

1734
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: And you know some of the business owners at the

1735
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: banks were bringing.

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01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 3: Out like drinks out for people.

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01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 4: JJ grew up in Marrimant. No, that that's the remarkable thing,

1738
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,520
Speaker 4: not even from here. Yeah, it's incredible.

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,600
Speaker 2: Let's talk about a playoff change that's overdue in the

1740
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: Chicago San Francisco game, which was just offensive, so much

1741
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: fun to watch. Porn That is next on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 6: Stations is Football in the NATI, brought to you in

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01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 6: part by Postman Law and Vice Skyline Chile on ESPN

1745
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 6: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: Tony and Football Show.

1747
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,480
Speaker 2: It peaks in Westchester on esp AT fifteen thirty. We've

1748
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Bengals, and we've talked a

1749
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: lot about the AFC North can I I imagine this

1750
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: argument is gonna pick up steam this week because you're

1751
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: gonna have.

1752
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 3: Two four seeds in the NFC, the NFC.

1753
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: South winner and in the AFC, the AFC North winner

1754
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: that have dramatically worse records than the team they will

1755
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 2: be hosting in Round one, yet they'll be hosting games

1756
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: as division winners.

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Speaker 4: That should change, Yeah, I think so, let's be Honest,

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01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 4: if you're in the NFC right now, how covet it

1759
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 4: is the five seed? You go to Carolina, but right now,

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01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 4: right Tampa. For whatever reason, I keep waiting for them

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01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 4: to figure it out because I think I thought, well,

1762
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 4: they'll get healthy and they'll get they've just they've gone

1763
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 4: the complete opposite direction. But yeah, you're right, it's It's

1764
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 4: one of the few.

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01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 3: Things that the NFL needs to fix.

1766
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 4: A lot of what the NFL product is is fantastic, horrific,

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01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: what their offseason is, the postseason, everything. They have such

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01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 4: a good grasp on things. That's one of the things

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 4: that you feel like needs to get addressed.

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Speaker 2: If you're a nine win team, you should not be

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01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 2: hosting an eleven or twelve win team.

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 3: Correct in the postseason.

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01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 2: Correct you make the playoffs as division winners, be the

1774
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: four seed. Yep, you should not be hosting a team

1775
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: that won more games than you. I have one wish

1776
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: in the postseason, and it's to see San Francisco and

1777
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: Chicago play again.

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 4: One of the funnest games, if not the best game

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Speaker 4: of the year.

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Speaker 3: And you know what.

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Speaker 2: We were on the are yesterday with Ken Brew and

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01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: we talked about it. Right like, this is gonna be

1783
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 2: offensive porn with these two play callers. Caleb Williams is

1784
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: winning me over. I love what Kyle Shanahan, how they

1785
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 2: run their offense. That was I know Chicago's defense is

1786
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: very shaky, and yeah, forty nine ers are without guys

1787
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 2: like Fred Warner, but that was great offensive football.

1788
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 4: It it makes you appreciate the offensive game so much

1789
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 4: more because you know, a lot of times here in

1790
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 4: Cincinnati we're just treated with the greatness of Joe Burrow

1791
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 4: and Jamar Chase. Those teams, they were offensive greatness. They

1792
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 4: have good players, but it's all scheme related to it's formations,

1793
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 4: it's plays, it's designed, it's the creativity that you're just like,

1794
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,799
Speaker 4: I can't believe what I'm watching.

1795
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it is. It's incredible.

1796
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 4: Like Christen McCaffrey should be getting more love nationally for

1797
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 4: what he's doing, no question, brock Party, you can see

1798
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 4: in every game he plays is getting more confident. They

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01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 4: did it last night without George Kittle. I was watching

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01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 4: that game last night thinking to myself, like one of

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01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 4: these guys has to be coach of the Year, and

1802
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 4: then you start thinking like, well, maybe it's Mike McDonald,

1803
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 4: William Cohen, maybe it's Liam Cohen, and then I'm like, wait,

1804
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel, John Payton, and then I'm like, Sean Payton's

1805
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 4: the number one seed in the AFC. Like there is

1806
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: Dimika Ryan, including the two we watched last night, there's

1807
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 4: six or seven coaches that can make legitimate cases to

1808
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 4: be the Coach of the Year.

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01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 2: Can you imagine your team has won eight in a

1810
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: row and nine out of ten and they can't catch

1811
01:25:58,800 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 2: the team in front of him.

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Speaker 4: Incredible, because that's the Texans. Incredible and that's a credit

1813
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 4: to what Jacksonville has done. Hu and Liam Cohen. You

1814
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 4: want to talk about getting the most out of a

1815
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 4: guy like Trevor Lawrence, but they did it this weekend.

1816
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 4: It wasn't the prettiest, but it was like one of

1817
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 4: those workmen like wins. Yeah, go to Indiana. Yeah, they're

1818
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 4: scratching and clawing C. J. Stroud through two picks. Wasn't great,

1819
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 4: but they found a way to win. If you're the

1820
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars and you're just thinking like and and on

1821
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 4: the opposite side, Houston's style of play throws you into

1822
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 4: such a loop that, like the game I watched with them.

1823
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Speaker 4: I thought more. I was like, well I think less

1824
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 4: of the Chargers. Yes, but it's because of how Houston plays. Yeah,

1825
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 4: they do that to opposing offenses like those are two

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01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 4: teams man, especially Houston.

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Speaker 3: You're one of those those top teams.

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 4: You got your seeding, You're playing out this week of

1829
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 4: scenarios that can happen. That's a team you're trying to avoid.

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01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 2: Buffalo loses at home to Phillies. Some viewed that as

1831
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: a possible Super Bowl preview. I hope not, because the

1832
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 2: goals offense was future in the second half, didn't complete

1833
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: a pass. They pull within one the Bills due they

1834
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: miss a pat earlier in the game. They pull within one,

1835
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 2: they go for two in the closing seconds, Josh Allen

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01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 2: misses a wide open target, very easy throw for most quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Did you agree with the decision Sean McDermott made to

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: go for two.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with that.

1840
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 4: Go win the game with your MVP won an MVP quarterback,

1841
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 4: the whole thing.

1842
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Won the ball to James Cook there instead.

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Speaker 4: No, I'd still put in Allen's hands just because that game,

1844
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 4: Philly's front dominated, James Cook barely got anything going. I

1845
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,839
Speaker 4: look at a game like that, and one I'm impressed

1846
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 4: with Philly defensively. I have no idea what's going on

1847
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,799
Speaker 4: with Philly offensively. That's not just a one game sample size.

1848
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 4: The weather was awful. I think there's some legitimate questions

1849
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 4: with Buffalo. Yes, if you can stop the run and

1850
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 4: force them to throw, they just don't have the weapons

1851
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 4: that other teams do, and I wonder how much Josh

1852
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 4: Allen can overcome. I still think Josh Allen was clearly

1853
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 4: limited with the foot and what he was able to do.

1854
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 4: But I saw it earlier, like if Josh Allen last

1855
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 4: night inexplicable fumble, missed a wide open receiver on a

1856
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 4: two point conversion, took a couple of bad sacks. There's

1857
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 4: a lot of quarterbacks in the league, including the one

1858
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 4: he played against last night, and Jalen Hurts that would

1859
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 4: be getting.

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Speaker 3: Crucified today for that.

1861
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Speaker 4: No question, You've really heard no pushback on Josh Allen

1862
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 4: at all. Bad weather, it happens, It's weird, but Josh

1863
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 4: Allen's got to pick up his play as well, and

1864
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 4: I think he's a guy in or a ton of pressure.

1865
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 4: No ma Homes, no Burrow, possibly no Lamar, it's your time,

1866
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 4: big guy.

1867
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, go do it. And if not, that pressure mounts

1868
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: even more for Josh Allen.

1869
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Speaker 2: All Right, the highlight of the show. I know you've

1870
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 2: been looking forward to this all day long. The Liberty

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Speaker 2: Bowls segment is next to Antonia Football Show where its

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Speaker 2: Twin Peaks in Westchester on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Stage.

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Speaker 6: You've been listening to football in the NATI brought to

1874
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 6: you by Cincinnati Tax Resolution by Tefe Sheldon on ESPN

1875
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 6: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

1876
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: The Twin Peaks in Westchester, ESPN fifteen thirty to five light,

1877
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: five o'clock Happy Hour. We are here till six. Don't forget.

1878
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: Bengals Line takes over as soon as we're done at

1879
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 2: six o'clock with Lance McAllister and Dave Lapham. On Thursday,

1880
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Speaker 2: you and I are flying to Memphis with a nice

1881
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: tidy two hour layover in Chicago, walking in Memphis airport,

1882
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Beers Memphis, Beers.

1883
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 3: Graceland, and a quick turnaround.

1884
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go to Graceland, but I've been before.

1885
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's all you. I just know it's there.

1886
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: But We will be at the Liberty Bowl on Friday

1887
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 2: to watch the Bearcats as touchdown underdogs try to pull

1888
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 2: off the upset against a two lost Navy team.

1889
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 3: No Brendan soaresby, No Brendan Soarsby.

1890
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: But if you look at the unofficial depth chart, pretty

1891
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: much all their offensive guys are practicing.

1892
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 4: And what's more important, up front, all their linemen are

1893
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 4: and I feel like they're trying to as a unit

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 4: out on top of that old line. Yeah, especially around

1895
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 4: Gavin Gerhart. I would if I'm the Bearcats and I

1896
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 4: have two quarterbacks I don't know much with. Obviously, you

1897
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 4: want to try to establish the run. Scott Sudderfield has

1898
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 4: done that successfully, So get the running game going. My

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01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 4: concern with Friday, and I think it's everyone's concern. You

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01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 4: got the nation's leading rushing attack going against the team

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01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati that struggled to stop the run for much

1902
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 4: of the year. And oh, by the way, Dante Corleone

1903
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 4: won't be in this one.

1904
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: And also this Navy team, Blake Corrivath runs it a lot,

1905
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 2: ran it thirty one times against Army, but he'll throw

1906
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 2: it about twelve times per game.

1907
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 3: And when they do it's usually successful. They're nine point.

1908
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: Five yards per tempt, which I think is second best

1909
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 2: in in FBS college football. For what it's worth, u

1910
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: se releads this depth chart. I think it was the

1911
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: day before Christmas, maybe the day before Christmas Eve. And

1912
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: the two things I noticed were number one, most of

1913
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: the offensive guys are available. Obviously no Brendan Sorosby, but

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Speaker 2: the way they listed their defense didn't have them as much.

1915
01:30:59,040 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 3: In a three to three.

1916
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 4: Five Okay, a personnel would probably dictate that a lot.

1917
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 4: You go into a game knowing you're not gonna have

1918
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 4: Dante Corleone, You've got more time to prepare, which means

1919
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 4: more time to maybe change it.

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Speaker 3: Up a little more of it. I guess it would

1921
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 3: be a three to four.

1922
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 4: Be honest, there's no way that you can watch Navy's

1923
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 4: offense on tape, watch the bearcatch, struggle to stop the run,

1924
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 4: subtract Dante Corleone from the mix, and think you can

1925
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:22,959
Speaker 4: go into a game and slow.

1926
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 3: Down an offense like that. You have to try something different.

1927
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 2: I guess what I wonder is you play Navy, They're

1928
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: gonna run it, They're gonna shorten the game.

1929
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Speaker 3: You only get so many possessions.

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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this as it relates

1931
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 2: to you see playing other teams. It's one thing if

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Speaker 2: you have Brendan Soresby an experienced quarterback, it's either gonna

1933
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Speaker 2: be well, Brady Lichtenberg is gonna start, Samaje Jones will play,

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Speaker 2: and I think he's gonna play early. But you're asking

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Speaker 2: those guys already with limited reps and already with limited

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Speaker 2: opportunity because they know both are gonna play in a

1937
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 2: game where there's only gonna be so many possessions.

1938
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 3: It's hard. Seems like it's hard.

1939
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 4: It's ask and again in a system where you're going

1940
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 4: into a game knowing that you're going to be rotating

1941
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, what do you want to do

1942
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 4: with your opportunities? You want to make more out of them,

1943
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 4: So maybe you're more inclined to try to fit the

1944
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 4: ball in creates a turnover and negative play something like

1945
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 4: that as opposed to and we talked about it with

1946
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 4: Miles Murphy and JOSEPHO. Say, when Hendrickson went out, you

1947
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 4: kind of knew you had opportunity and you could settle

1948
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: in do that when you're going to be rotating.

1949
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the harder things to do.

1950
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things we didn't talk about

1951
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 4: much MO because we've spent a lot of time on

1952
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 4: UC basketball and how their struggles early on the year.

1953
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of taken away the end of

1954
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 4: the year for UC football. It has Scott Soderfield with

1955
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 4: a loss on Friday, ends the year with five straight losses.

1956
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: I think this is a no win game for him

1957
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 2: because if they win, yeah, no one's going to care Yep.

1958
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: If they lose, he's going to be crushed.

1959
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 4: But has been on West Miller and here you are

1960
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 4: needing to win to avoid a five game losing skid,

1961
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 4: to stop a season in which you started with where

1962
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 4: you had seven straight wins.

1963
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard. It's a tall order against Ay Again, the.

1964
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 2: Worst possible type of matchup.

1965
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 4: Ball games come out and you hear people in the

1966
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 4: industry say, you don't want to play against Service Academy.

1967
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 4: Uh huh, Army dog walk to Yukon. Yes, and you

1968
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 4: kind of had nine wins this year. Yeah, that's a

1969
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 4: tough ask.

1970
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 2: No opt outs, no options, experience quarterback.

1971
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: They're going there on a business trip to play the.

1972
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 2: Game whole bunch of dudes averaging more than five yards

1973
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: a pop on the ground.

1974
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 4: Yep, it's it's a bad matchup. I but if they

1975
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 4: a chance to get some momentum, if they go.

1976
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 2: Into this bowl game and they haven't lost four street

1977
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: and they lose, I think everybody shrugs their shoulder. You

1978
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: go into a bowl game four consecutive losses, regardless of

1979
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: who you don't have, it's it's five straight to end

1980
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: the season. But don't have the soft landing of UC

1981
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 2: upsetting Houston on Saturday in basketball to kind of make

1982
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 2: everybody feel like, all right, that that Navy game will

1983
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: shove that aside, because now here the Bearcats off to

1984
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 2: a one to zero started big.

1985
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 4: So this to me is what it's all about. A

1986
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 4: non conference can out of hand. And then you brought

1987
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 4: Gisel James back, and it's hard over the course of

1988
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 4: practices to really get a lot out of bringing a

1989
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 4: new guy into the fold. So I think against Lipscomb tonight,

1990
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 4: workman like, don't.

1991
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 3: Show too much, keep it close, Vanilla, keep it close.

1992
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 4: And then Saturday, I think you see what we're gonna

1993
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 4: call circles being run around.

1994
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 3: Kelvin Samson, I think it's gonna be a rope of dope.

1995
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 4: It's at least what I hope Kelvin Samson brings Houston

1996
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 4: in all of a sudden, you see looks like a

1997
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 4: different team.

1998
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: Which game were they more likely to win? Oh?

1999
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 2: My gosh, Friday or Saturday? There are seven point dogs.

2000
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they gonna be? Saturday? Breaking me

2001
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 3: more at seven points? Right?

2002
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 4: I don't see how I don't see and as you see, fans,

2003
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 4: and you and I know this more than anyone. There

2004
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 4: will be a time Thursday night, you and I have

2005
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 4: talked ourselves into the Liberty Bowl title. There will be

2006
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 4: a time, probably Friday night, on the flight home, where

2007
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 4: we talk ourselves into going want to know in the

2008
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 4: Big twelve and how if you do that you can

2009
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 4: eliminate such a bad non conference slate and really start

2010
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 4: to think about how things move forward as appoth of

2011
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 4: which one is. I don't know, Mike, I don't feel

2012
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 4: great about either of it.

2013
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 2: I'll give you the timeline, okay, because we have a

2014
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 2: layover in Chicago. In Chicago, I'll talk myself into the

2015
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 2: Liberty Bowl in Memphis on Thursday.

2016
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,759
Speaker 3: I will have talked myself into your head of schedule,

2017
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 3: beating Houston your head of schedule? Allay right?

2018
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's weekly press conference is next. It's the Tony

2019
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: and Mo Football Show on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,

2020
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Tony and Mo Football Show.

2021
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: On ESPN fifteen thirty.

2022
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: We are coming down the home stretch here at Twin

2023
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 2: Peaks at Westchester. A reminder, we are in Florence next

2024
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: week at Twin Peaks for the final show of the

2025
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season. It is time for the highlight

2026
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 2: of this show, which is the contractually obligated airing of

2027
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor's Monday press conference. Here is the Bengals head

2028
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 2: coach at the podium with the assembled professional football media

2029
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

2030
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 8: He can and see where he ends up.

2031
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 2: Has Chase Brown developed into a lack of a better term,

2032
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: a complete running back.

2033
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 8: I have complete trust in him in all three phases

2034
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 8: of plainting running back first and second on runner coming

2035
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 8: out of the backfield, being an empty protection. I think

2036
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 8: he's had some great clips protection this year as well.

2037
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 8: So you know, it's a loose term complete back, but

2038
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 8: in terms of being able to be really effective in

2039
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 8: all three phases, we absolutely trust him to do that.

2040
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 7: Joe Go's perfect when he was not pressured yesterday nineteen

2041
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 7: for nineteen. Just looking back on the tape, I mean,

2042
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 7: what do you see from him and just I mean

2043
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 7: contings to show how great he is?

2044
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean nothing surprises me with how he did it.

2045
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 8: I think the part of the game that he won't

2046
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 8: get enough credit for is as their pressure package and

2047
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 8: their fronts and different personnel groupings and different alignments and

2048
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 8: how they attack your protect actions on second down and

2049
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 8: third down. This week was probably as difficult as as

2050
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 8: any week we have in terms of identifying that they'd

2051
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 8: really hit home against a lot of teams. And so

2052
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 8: I just think his his command isn't something that people

2053
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 8: in the stands going to notice. They're going to see

2054
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 8: a completion for a good play, They're not going to

2055
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 8: see all the nuance that went into the communication and

2056
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 8: the awareness and looking at how where guy's foot is

2057
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 8: and was handed. I mean, all the things that he

2058
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 8: factored into it to make sure that we were we

2059
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 8: were on point. I think that's that's an underrated part

2060
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 8: of it. And I thought our guys did a great

2061
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 8: job with the actual picking it up. You know, understanding

2062
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 8: what we're trying to do and doing a great job

2063
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 8: with the protection aspect of.

2064
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 9: It, throwing the the Cody play out of it. You

2065
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 9: were in six offensive linemen a little bit more yesterday.

2066
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 9: Was there something about that that was that game plan

2067
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 9: or that something new?

2068
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 8: No, that was again that's the it's their personnel packages.

2069
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 8: You weren't going to see a lot of eleven on

2070
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 8: tape against them, just the way that they you know,

2071
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 8: essentially give you a base fronts for the most part

2072
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 8: against that. And so you've got to be in twelve

2073
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 8: and with Noah being limited, not knowing throughout the week

2074
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 8: until the end that Noah was gonna be up you

2075
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 8: rep you know, your second tight end that they're gonna

2076
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 8: they're gonna call a tight end out there blocking. So

2077
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 8: that was that was part of it. And then just okay,

2078
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 8: well let's do something fun to energize the end of practice,

2079
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 8: and we did it and then it just you know,

2080
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 8: kind of snowballed from there to where he was out there.

2081
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 9: Oh Marius, I mean, it seems like he's had a

2082
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 9: really good season. You know, you don't talk about him,

2083
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 9: and that's what shows that it's.

2084
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 3: A good season. I guess what have you seen from him?

2085
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 9: Maybe that people might not notice that's been a growth.

2086
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 8: From him an issue, Well, I just think not to

2087
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 8: dismiss his football, I que going into this season, but

2088
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 8: I think that's really grown what to anticipate, moves from

2089
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 8: from players, how to come off from the run game.

2090
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 8: I just think he's really starting to take that next

2091
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 8: step of being able to anticipate before it actually happens.

2092
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 8: And again, I'm not trying to discount what he was

2093
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 8: last year in college, but I just experience it's just

2094
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 8: really starting to pick up now where he knows what's

2095
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 8: coming at him and can be one step ahead of

2096
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 8: all that. So not only using his massive frame and

2097
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 8: all the great traits that he has, now you get

2098
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 8: the mental edge on people because you know what they're

2099
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 8: going to do before they do. It is a huge,

2100
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 8: huge step for him.

2101
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 10: I know that you'd rather some of these questions answer

2102
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 10: after than the upcoming games because they're more offseason type questions,

2103
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 10: But is it at least gratifying for you too. I've

2104
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 10: seen the way that DJ and Dax have grown into

2105
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 10: their spots and that you can go into the off

2106
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 10: season knowing like you have your foundation at outside corner,

2107
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 10: and then specifically with Dax, he's said safety and Nicole,

2108
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 10: I would assume that's really hard to be able to

2109
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 10: master the outside corner the way he has. So can

2110
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 10: you just talk a little bit about how they've grown

2111
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 10: into their positions and the players and how you guys

2112
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 10: can build around them.

2113
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, we have a lot of confidence about those guys.

2114
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 8: Like you said, Dax has done a lot for us

2115
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 8: over his four years here, and I think his best

2116
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,759
Speaker 8: position is outside of corner, and he's done an excellent

2117
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:06,799
Speaker 8: job of that. He's got tremendous length and physicality and speed,

2118
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 8: and again, similar to what we're talking about with other

2119
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 8: players who are going through their second, third, fourth year now,

2120
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 8: the experience is really showing up on how to anticipate

2121
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,600
Speaker 8: and so I just I think he's really grown in

2122
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,719
Speaker 8: the right direction there and and somebody we can certainly

2123
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 8: count on. And I've mentioned all that about DJ several

2124
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 8: times over the course of the season. That hasn't changed

2125
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 8: for me at all. I thought yesterday he was outstanding

2126
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 8: with his energy and his leadership and his on ball

2127
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 8: defending skills. And I thought both guys did a great

2128
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 8: job yesterday.

2129
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 11: So much focus on the players, and rightfully so, But

2130
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 11: how has al Golden developed this year? And how has

2131
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 11: the way he manipulates like yesterday, you know, holding treat

2132
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 11: with pride and check for three plus quarters. How has

2133
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 11: his schemes grown? How have they grown and developed?

2134
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 7: It?

2135
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 8: Well, that's why he's here, you know, And I just

2136
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 8: think I've got such a high opinion of him, and

2137
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 8: he's the proof is in the pudding with how he's coached.

2138
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 8: When he was here, the development he had a the

2139
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 8: eynebacker position, the effect he had you know, on our

2140
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 8: Super Bowl team, and then going to an Notre Dame

2141
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 8: and having the success that he had played for national

2142
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 8: championship and developed a ton of players.

2143
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 3: Along the way.

2144
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 8: And now he's here and early in the season, you know,

2145
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 8: we're playing a lot of guys that are new to it,

2146
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 8: and they're all developing at the same time. And so

2147
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 8: now that he's been able to these guys really understandable,

2148
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 8: we're rasking of them. Coaching staff by the way, that's

2149
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 8: never coached together before, you know, none of those guys.

2150
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 8: And with now and so now for everybody to get

2151
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 8: into groove, and now you get to expand what we're

2152
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 8: asking these guys to do and really attack teams. You're

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Speaker 8: really seeing what we're capable of, and that's exciting. So

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Speaker 8: I've seen that all along. I've known where this thing

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Speaker 8: was headed. I've known where this thing is going to

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Speaker 8: end up. And we're going to continue to prove in

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Speaker 8: the offseason as well. But I think he's done a

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Speaker 8: really good job, you know, particularly since the buy. I

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Speaker 8: mean since the bye week. You know, we gave up

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Speaker 8: thirty one to however many to Buffalo outside the pick six,

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Speaker 8: a team has scored more than nineteen against our defense.

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Speaker 8: You know, they've done a great job creating turnovers, limiting

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Speaker 8: drives and giving us a great chance to win.

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Speaker 2: All Right, there you go, Zach Taylor's weekly press conference

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Speaker 2: chock full of fun and information as the Bengals get

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Speaker 2: set to host the Cleveland Browns on Sunday. Don't forget,

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Speaker 2: Bengals Line is on as soon as we're done here,

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Speaker 2: which we pretty much are right now.

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Speaker 3: We're done. One more show to go to.

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Speaker 4: One more back in Florence next week, Florence, y'all see

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Speaker 4: you then.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Mike Mills for producing on site, Drew wester

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Speaker 2: Heidi for producing back in Kenwood. Tony is back for

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike since e three sixty tomorrow at noon, and

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Speaker 2: I am back at a different establishment tomorrow at three

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Speaker 2: h five. Have an awesome night thanks to the staff

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Speaker 2: here at Twin Peaks, and we'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This has been the Tony and Moll Football Show on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station Sparly Think Thing,