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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Tuesday and strongly

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Speaker 1: encouraging you to log on tonight to empower you America

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Speaker 1: Speaking tonight. The subject matter America at two point fifty

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Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence and Constitutional Interpretation subheading the importance

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Speaker 1: track of, something I know that the guest has not.

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Speaker 1: Professor Scott Gerber unbelievable background. Retired law professor.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He's currently the Declaration of Independence Center Scholar at the

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Speaker 1: University of Mississippi's Declaration of Independence Center for the Study

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Speaker 1: of American Freedom, a fellow at the National Association of

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Speaker 1: Scholars and Columnists for minding the campus. Longtime member of

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Speaker 1: He has published six academic books, forty nine articles, thirty

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Speaker 1: eight book reviews, hundreds of op eds. He's also published

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Speaker 1: five novels. We might even hear about the new one,

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Speaker 1: The Trafficker this morning, but also one hundreds of presentations

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Speaker 1: at some of the finest law schools that are out there,

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Speaker 1: and he's the recipient of multiple awards for academic excellence.

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Speaker 1: He is Professor Scott Gerber. Welcome to the program, Scott.

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Speaker 1: An impressive background you have, and I appreciate your willingness

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Speaker 1: seminar tonight. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Brian, thanks for having me, and I'm

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Speaker 2: particularly delighted to talk to you because you're a lawyer

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Speaker 2: and my take on the Declaration is lawyer oriented.

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Speaker 1: I get it, and you know, the cool thing about

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Speaker 1: interesting quote from Abraham Lincoln speaking about the Constitution relative

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Speaker 1: to the Declaration of Independence. But the Constitution was the

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Speaker 1: structure to protect and preserve and give form to the

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Speaker 1: Declaration's moral truth. That moral truth is that we are

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Speaker 1: created equal, but we are endowed specifically with unalienable rights.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you're born with him and the government

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Speaker 1: position to take them away, something our colonists experience under

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Speaker 1: the thumb of oppression from England. We have God given rights.

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Speaker 1: That's the point, this is sort of a new concept

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, And you just summarized what Walter Isaacson

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Speaker 2: called the greatest tentons ever written, and your listeners know

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Speaker 2: the sentence, but I'm going to read it anyway. We

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Speaker 2: hold these truths to be self evident, that all men

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Speaker 2: with certain unailiable rights, that among these are life, liberty,

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Speaker 2: and the pursuit of happiness. And my talk tonight is

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Speaker 2: going to be about the relationship between those moral truths

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Speaker 2: Constitution is the political architecture designed to effectuate the moral

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Speaker 2: truths of the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 1: Well, I always like to refer things as the state

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Speaker 1: which the founders recognize most notably since Britain tried to

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Speaker 1: liberate everyone from their firearms and therefore their ability to

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Speaker 1: defend themselves. If you were born in the wild, there

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Speaker 1: are no forms of government. You are there by yourself.

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Speaker 1: What do you have? You have literally everything? You can

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Speaker 1: worship who you want to worship. You can defend yourself

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Speaker 1: There's no one there to intrude into your personal effects,

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Speaker 1: fact that you have these inalienable rights.

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Speaker 2: Correct, and the government is not supposed to infringe on

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Speaker 1: With supposed to right. And also, I mean, let's let's

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Speaker 1: that in the content and the Declaration of Independence also

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Speaker 2: And the Declaration, as my work documents, is grounded in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and isn't it interesting that the left, those who

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Speaker 2: Exactly. And another part of my talk is about Clarence

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest failures I think in American education

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Speaker 1: that we were literally abused. We were denied the ability

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Speaker 1: all of these things again erosions into our freedoms and liberties.

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Speaker 1: Why don't they stress this to our young people in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And it's not just our kids in

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Speaker 2: Justice Thomas feels that the Declaration explains what a quality

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Speaker 2: different than what the left is trying to do by

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Speaker 2: shoving group rights theories down our throats. It's an individual right.

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Speaker 2: Every individual is entitled to the fruits of his or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no I mean, this is the difference

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Speaker 1: the happiness that you want to pursue that you're I mean,

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Speaker 1: some might I think if I use the word bastardize

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Speaker 1: the language of the Constitution as well as Declaration of

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Speaker 2: Right, correct, It is not. We're supposed to be able,

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Speaker 2: Declaration makes obvious, pursue our happiness. The government doesn't give

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Speaker 2: and you're smarter than me, and all of that, you're

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Speaker 1: Well, And of course it's smart people that I go

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Speaker 1: Let us pive it over because I know you're gonna

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Speaker 1: mention it tonight in The Trafficker, which is your most

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Speaker 1: it takes place in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up. I'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that tonight as well. It's the origins of it are

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Speaker 2: the Ohio Advisory Committee to the US Commission on Civil

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Speaker 2: Rights since two thousand and eight. That's a long time.

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Speaker 2: And around twenty and fifteen we did an investigation and

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Speaker 2: bring this problem to light. It's shocking. Toledo is shockingly

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Speaker 2: if you can believe such a thing. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: trafficked for sex. Fifteen hundred and foreign nationals are trafficked

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Speaker 2: we just don't know it right, right. And so January

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Speaker 2: and it's illegal thriller. And luckily for me, so far,

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Speaker 2: the readers have not only understood the substance of message

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Speaker 2: what that's what I'm trying to do. But so my

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Speaker 2: novels are page turners, but I also want a substance

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Speaker 1: So, Scott Gerber, it is a work of fiction built

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Speaker 1: around the realities of the situation in the state of Ohio. Exactly,

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Speaker 1: exactly real quick, is it? This I seventy five Corridor

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Speaker 1: the reason Ohio has that nefarious label attached to it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that. And Toledo is you know, is a

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Speaker 1: just register ahead of time. Seven o'clock is the star time.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be fascinating. And I guess Scott, considering

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Speaker 1: as a constitution in the history, you would probably welcome

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Speaker 1: younger people joining in the fun and logging into the

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Speaker 1: to the seminar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you broke up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You're still there, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just thinking it

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like some younger people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. As you pointed out, younger people

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Speaker 2: aren't being taught enough about the Declaration, and this is

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and so tonight is

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Speaker 2: a good opportunity for them to learn a little bit

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Speaker 2: connection between the Declaration and the Constitution, and also to

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Speaker 2: learn about how the most senior justice on the US

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court how he feels.

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Speaker 1: About the Declaration. Outstanding subject matter. Gather around seven pm

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Speaker 1: to Star Time Inpoweroamerica dot org. Scott, thanks for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning and all the great work that you

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Speaker 1: do throughout the year. Keep it up. We be looking

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Speaker 1: forward to reading your new book, The Trafficker, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: somebody in Columbus will do something about that. Scott Garber,

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Speaker 1: have a great seminar tonight, and thanks again for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you too. Seven twenty right now fifty five krc

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Speaker 1: he talks