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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM sixty on demand.

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Speaker 2: John, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Jesus. Thank you so much for taking.

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Speaker 2: My call on pleasure. What's going on, John?

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Speaker 3: I lost my best friend for thirty seven years and

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Speaker 3: he's a different religion. He was a Buddhist. Language is

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Speaker 3: not a barrier. Our friendship was bullheart and I just

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Speaker 3: having a hard time coping with it. And I just

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Speaker 3: want to know if whatever I see my maker, well

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Speaker 3: I see him as well. Since he practiced a different

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Speaker 3: religion and I found I was researching something about the

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Speaker 3: religion and they don't believe in the soul, that the Buddhism.

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Speaker 3: I was not aware of that. But and he's he's

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Speaker 3: in another state. Unfortunately, I him out on the East

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Speaker 2: And uh, when did he.

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Speaker 3: Pass the last He passed away on Friday, and I

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Speaker 3: found about found the found about found just about him

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Speaker 3: on Saturday. They unfortunately, he had a brain aneurysm, So

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Speaker 3: it was fairly I think. Yes, we talked every Friday

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Speaker 3: and Saturday, even though we were at different time zones.

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Speaker 3: We kept communication and I was fortunate enough to see

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Speaker 3: him one last time. Last year, I drove to the

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Speaker 3: West coast to just be with my father and him,

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Speaker 3: and we shared some times with my family.

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Speaker 2: I can hear that you're obviously in pain. It is

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Speaker 2: very fresh, and it's incredibly normal to start wanting to

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Speaker 2: process this through the lens of your faith and your

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Speaker 2: belief and I can give you some answers, certainly that

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Speaker 2: are academic. We can look at the belief system of Buddhism,

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Speaker 2: but the reality is regardless, John, You're going to be

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Speaker 2: in pain as you mourn the loss of a friend.

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Speaker 2: The faith of the friend is important to God, but

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Speaker 2: to you, that's a relationship between your friend and God.

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Speaker 2: That your relationship ship, John, and your connection. That's important

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Speaker 2: to you. And that was for here, that was for

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Speaker 2: this time in this world. And regardless of the beliefs,

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Speaker 2: which are different Buddhists, there have many heavens, but all

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Speaker 2: of these heavens are a very temporary part of what

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Speaker 2: they refer to as the sumsara kind of the cycle

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Speaker 2: of life, this circle and that process of reincarnation or rebirth.

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Speaker 2: That cycle is about reaching nirvana, which is enlightenment. It's

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Speaker 2: different than the concept the Christian concept of heaven, which

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Speaker 2: is a reconnection. It's going home to be with your

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Speaker 2: Maker and celebrating that. It's not about people make it.

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Speaker 2: You know all these different things. Well, you're going to

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Speaker 2: see all your friends and family, and yes, does that

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Speaker 2: is that part of it? Yes, but it's not the

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Speaker 2: core of it. The core of it is to reconnect

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Speaker 2: with your Maker. So there's differences. Absolutely, there are two

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Speaker 2: completely different belief systems with nothing in common. But that's

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Speaker 2: not your concern. That is something for God to work out,

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Speaker 2: not for you. For now, you are to celebrate the

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Speaker 2: life of your friend, celebrate the uniqueness and the preciousness

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Speaker 2: of that individual and what they brought to your life,

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Speaker 2: and what they brought to the lives of others, how

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Speaker 2: they dedicated themselves to a belief and an understanding all

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Speaker 2: of those things. I think that I think that many

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Speaker 2: a way to separate. And it's not that there It's

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Speaker 2: not that there aren't important times where Scripture says iron

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Speaker 2: sharpens iron. The two people can argue, or the two

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Speaker 2: people can can share their faith and argue about these

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Speaker 2: things and guide each other, and all that has beauty

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Speaker 2: and wonderfulness to it. However, sometimes it gets in the

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Speaker 2: way of true connection as well, and there's a The

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Speaker 2: focus of a person and their core belief is important

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Speaker 2: because it lets you know how they think about things

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Speaker 2: and how they work through problems or troubleshoot life. But

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Speaker 2: I don't like to see people separate themselves, you know,

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Speaker 2: interacting on this planet and interacting with each other its

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Speaker 2: purpose as well. So just rejoice in the friendship. Rejoice

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Speaker 2: that you knew him. What was his name?

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Speaker 3: John uh Katara?

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Speaker 2: Well, rejoice in Katara, Rejoice in the friendship and that

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Speaker 2: celebrate that, you know, share him with others when you

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Speaker 2: have an opportunity. But this is a time of mourning. John.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to work out the or solve the

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Speaker 2: problems of God. If there is an opportunity for you

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Speaker 2: guys to connect, ever, again, that's up to God. It's

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Speaker 2: not something you need to put on your shoulders right now.

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Speaker 2: What was one of the things that you miss about

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Speaker 3: His patience is understanding.

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Speaker 2: How that come up between the two of you.

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Speaker 3: He was there for me when I have really hard

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Speaker 3: had any sort of an agenda behind his friendship, even

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Speaker 3: though he spoke a different language. I speak a different language, Hispanic,

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Speaker 3: He knew when I was going to call him. I

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Speaker 3: knew we had that scene between each other, like indicate it.

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Speaker 3: We're both on the different coasts, and we would still

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Speaker 3: make the opportunity to speak to each other every every

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Speaker 2: Should be cherished. That's a powerful friend. What you just explained, Patie,

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Speaker 2: the lack of judgment, being able to listen and hear

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Speaker 2: what you're going through, that's pretty incredible. I can see

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Speaker 2: why the pain is deep losing someone like that.

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Speaker 3: I called them my brother.

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Speaker 4: He was truly.

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Speaker 2: You're going to wrestle with this for a while, John,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you should rush through it. I think

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Speaker 2: you can contemplate the friendship. I think that it's inspiring

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Speaker 2: language barriers and faith barriers and all these different things.

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Speaker 2: The two of you fought to have a relationship. You

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Speaker 2: had to. There was a lot of hurdles and a

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Speaker 2: that you should celebrate that. You continue as always anybody

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Speaker 2: who loses somebody, you become the curator, John, of Katara's life.

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Speaker 2: You become the curator of his laughter, his insights, all

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Speaker 2: of these and you contain those in who you are

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Speaker 2: and you pass them along. And for now, that's how

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Speaker 2: you'll experience him, and that's how others will experience him

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Speaker 2: as well. Let's talk to Jeff. Jeff, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ Show.

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Speaker 1: Good morning in Happy Resurrection Day Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, and the same to you. How can I

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Speaker 2: help you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, my main question is, and I'd like to ask

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Speaker 1: a little something else if I can, But my main

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Speaker 1: question is is that I deal with self hate. And

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Speaker 1: I know God probably hates that. But the problem is

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Speaker 1: I've learned that, you know, the three fingers pointing out,

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Speaker 1: it always comes around and you turns and I blame

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Speaker 1: I don't I do hate people, but it'll eventually come around.

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Speaker 1: And I blame myself for my part, and so I

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Speaker 1: because that's where it boils down to into you know, depression.

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Speaker 1: And and the second thing was is that when did

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Speaker 1: the disciples realize that you died for our sins? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know they realized that he was Lord, but and

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Speaker 1: then that they were, you know, forgiven for the sins?

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Speaker 1: So the first thing is is, well, they're both as important.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well let's take a look at those, Jeff, because

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Speaker 2: we only have about a moment here. First of all,

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Speaker 2: self hate has zero value. And you quickly went over

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Speaker 2: the old illustration that when you point at other people

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Speaker 2: with your pointing finger, there's three fingers pointing back at you. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's usually used to help people understand that judging others

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Speaker 2: has no benefit, because ultimately people can judge you as well.

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Speaker 2: But in your case, you kind of use it as

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Speaker 2: putting things back on yourself. What do you do for

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Speaker 3: Jeff, I'm a carpingder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, excellent, So you create, you build for a living. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I love that. I think that's incredibly important. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give you some As far as you see, this

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Speaker 2: So if there is something going on chemically or with

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Speaker 2: very powerful. That will help you see things different. So

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Speaker 2: That will be a powerful tool for you and imperative

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Speaker 2: to your growth. The second thing is the disciples knew

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Speaker 2: they went through different things. The things that you see

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Speaker 2: in its fullness after the resurrection, John, thank you for

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Speaker 4: Hello Jesus, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am well, John, and you pretty good.

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Speaker 4: My question is probably gonna seem kind of simplistic compared

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Speaker 2: Well, nothing and nothing ever seems to be so simplistic,

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Speaker 2: so please ask away.

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Speaker 4: I was kind of raised in the religion where that

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Speaker 4: That's why you did good things stuff, not because necessarily

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Speaker 4: with it was called the Baltimore Catechism, and that's what

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Speaker 4: you know, immortals and venial sin, and you more did

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Speaker 4: it because you were afraid of your of your punishment.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 4: And then later on in life, thirty years ago I

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Speaker 4: lost my sons in an automobile accident. And I guess

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Speaker 4: my question is is it okay? Sounds? Is it okay

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Speaker 3: Of course?

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Speaker 4: Upset with you? Of course, and still love you and

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Speaker 4: still love you, but just be.

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Speaker 2: Upset with you your boys? Did you ever get in

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure, well they were really young, and you know

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Speaker 4: it was uh yeah, we always had you know, our thing,

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Speaker 4: No you can't and you know yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes so and you love them?

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Speaker 4: Oh God, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: People put emotions into interesting categories at times, and it's

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Speaker 2: easy to do John. It's easy to look around and say, well,

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