1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: What the hell, Michael? I tuned into eight fifty KOA 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: at nine oh seven yesterday expecting to hear the situation 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown, and you were nowhere to be found. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: But on the bright side, what I did here was 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: a huge step up from what I was used to hearing. 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: Does he not realize that we could cut off his 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: weekly checks for taxpayer relief shots? I don't think he 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: hasn't puffed this through. He needs he needs to land 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: that airplane. Quit looking over Manhattan as he flies around 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: up there doing whatever he's doing up there. He needs 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: to land, get us some taxpayer relief shots. Otherwise, you know, 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: we got we got people lined up. It takes place, 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: and they're actually better looking too, and they're willing to 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: pay us. So he got that problem. I'm not about 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: to snap again after snapping through that. How many more? 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: How many hours do we have to have left Dragon 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: before we move over there? Oh? Hours? I don't I 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: don't know. Hours are radio, I don't know. Aren't you 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: excited about it? 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 3: I'm already over there at that time, slide. 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me. What everybody keeps asking me, Are 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: you excited or you excited? You're excited. 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: The part that excites me is the fact that I 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: don't have to. 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: Leap frog studios all day long. Oh you mean you 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: can just PLoP your fat ass in one chair and 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: then just stay there and just roll around in there. 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, all right, who's there bringing your breakfast 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: in the morning. You just have to go get that yourself, 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, I don't have to go peete down 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: on the third floor. Oh. By the way, by the way, 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: I went into the fourth floor, okay. Decided to wait 33 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: and hold it till next hour because I wanted to 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: find I walked in and there's there there no signs. Okay, 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: the water look all looks clear. Oa, it looks like 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: it's usable. But I didn't want to dare, like, you know, 37 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: expel anything and then try to you know, either walk 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: away in a auto flushes, or to touch anything, or 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: or to push handle to flush on one of the toilets. 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: I decided to just I can wait till next hour. 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 2: It's sketchy around here. It's so sketchy. You must have 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: just put a you know, like a outhouse and the 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: not put it out here in the in the in 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: the circle. 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: On the balcony. 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: Just be off the balcony, you know. Actually, now I 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: think about that. Sometimes I go on the balcony, you 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: know where studios see is I'm doing the weekend show. 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: It's actually kind of a nice balcony because of the 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: trees are right up against it, and there's you know, 51 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: you can actually down so you can see some grass 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: and stuff. You can see the generators too. Of course, 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: maybe I could peel the generators. See that's still work. 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: There's an Obama appointed judge with a name of John J. McConnell. 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: He's the one who's recent order compelling Trump to use 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: emergency funds to pay the November Snap benefits. I read 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: through it. I think it's a little short sighted, but 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: more importantly, I think it might be an unlawful order. Now. 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: He issued it in late October. He issued it at 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: the end of the month. It directs the administration to 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: draw from the Snap Contingency Reserve so they can issue 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: benefits even though Congress has not appropriated funds for fiscal 63 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: year twenty twenty six. For those of you who don't 64 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: realize it, we're in fiscal year twenty twenty six, which 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: started October one. Now, the problem is not only a 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: practical problem, but I think it's a constitutional problem, because 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: the order provides at best a few weeks of reprieve 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: for the beneficiaries, and at worst, it compels the Executive 69 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: Branch to commit an illegal act spending money that Congress 70 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: has not yet appropriated because they've run out of money. 71 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: The continuing I want you to think about it in 72 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: this way. The Continuing Resolution acts as an appropriation. It 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: just says to the executive branch, continue to spending, continue 74 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: spending at current levels through the terms of or the 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: term of this executive this continuing Resolution. Now once that expires, 76 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: and i'd have to see if I get it my notes, 77 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: but they're running up on the original expiration date of 78 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: this Continuing Resolution, so I don't know that it's going 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: to get anywhere. Now. Trump's Trump has chimed in. He 80 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: timed in a couple of days ago in truth Social 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: he wrote, our government lawyers do not think we have 82 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: the legal authority to pay snap with certain moneys that 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: we have available. And now two courts have issued conflicting 84 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: opinions on what we can and cannot do. I do 85 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: not want Americans to go hungry just because the radical 86 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: Democrats refuse to do the right thing and reopen the government. 87 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 2: In all caps, Therefore, I have instructed our lawyers to 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: ask the court to clarify how we can legally fund 89 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: SNAP as soon as possible. It is already delayed enough 90 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: due to the Democrats keeping the government closed through the 91 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: monthly payment date, and even if we get immediate guidance, 92 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: it will unfortunately be delayed while states get the money out. 93 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: He continues that if we are given the appropriate legal 94 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: direction by the court, it will in all caps, be 95 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: my honor. He's so funny, be my honor to provide 96 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: the funding, just like I did with military and law 97 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: enforcement pay. He's got a really interesting way of capitalizing 98 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: certain words that grammatically should not be capitalized. But I digress. 99 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: He continues, The Democrats should quit this charade where they 100 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: hurt people for their own political reasons, and immediately, in 101 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: all caps again, reopen the government. If you use SNAP benefits, 102 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: call this in the Democrats and tell them to reopen 103 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: the government now in all caps, here's crying Chuck Schumer's 104 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: office number to zero two two two four sixty five 105 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: four to two. Let me repeat that in case you're 106 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: interested in leaving a or attempting to leave a voicemail, 107 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: And what I am certain is a message that you 108 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: will get that says the number you've reached, their mailbox 109 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: is full. You gotta try it to zero two two 110 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: two four sixty five four to two. Now, if you 111 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: can leave the message, be polite and tell Chuck Schumer 112 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: that hey, quit worrying about AOC and just open the government. 113 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: The issue is not whether hungry families deserve assistance. We've 114 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: debated that. In fact, I've got a story out in 115 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 2: New Mexico I want to share with you in a minute. 116 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: But the real issue is whether a federal judge can 117 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: actually compel the executive branch, in this case, the President 118 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: of the United States, to violate the Constitution's Appropriations Clause 119 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: and the Anti Deficiency Act. I think the answer based 120 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: on statute, based on precedent, and frankly, the very architecture 121 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: and the structure of the Constitution is an unequivocal No. 122 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: Let's think about how this operates. How this works. The 123 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: SNAP program operates under the Food and Nutrition Act of 124 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: eight that makes benefits an appropriated entitlement. Now that phrase matters. 125 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: It's not like social security. This is an appropriate entitlement program. 126 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: That means that Congress must annually appropriate the money for 127 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: the benefits, even though the eligibility rules the requirements to 128 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: be eligible are permanent law. So in practical terms, that 129 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: means that every year Congress sets aside a lump sum 130 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: to fund the benefits, and then typically a contingency reserve 131 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: to cover unexpected short falls. Now what could be the 132 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: unexpected short falls go back to its annually appropriated funds. 133 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: It's an appropriated entitlement, but the requirements to obtain those 134 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: funds are set in permanent statute. So you look at 135 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: your current program. You have ten participants, but the and 136 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: so you add a contingency because you might have fifteen 137 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: that qualify during that year where the money's already been appropriated, 138 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: So you appropriate some additional money just in case five 139 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: more people get added to those ten that are already 140 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: on the program. The current reserve, which is about three 141 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: billion dollars, was authorized for use only when Congress has 142 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: already appropriated snap funds that then proved insufficient. In other words, 143 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: the reserve supplements the let me rephrase this, The reserve 144 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: supplements the appropriated monies. It doesn't replace them. It's for 145 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: exactly what I described. They've appropriated the contingency. So if 146 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: the amount they have already appropriated turns out to be short, 147 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: then you can use that. It can't replace what they've 148 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: already appropriated, which is what this court's trying to do. Now, USDA, 149 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: the Department of Vague that administer SNAP, has consistently maintained 150 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: that interpretation, and in October twenty five memo issue during 151 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: the shutdown the US the USDA very explicitly said that 152 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: the contingent Contingency Reserve monies are not legally available to 153 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: pay November benefits absent a new appropriation. It could only 154 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: be used to make up shortfalls in an already funded 155 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: fiscal year to address disasters like hurricanes or floods. Now, 156 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: this judge's order directly contradicts that statutory understanding, and it 157 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: forces the executive branch in this case, USDA to do 158 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: what itself has already declared to be unlawful. So think 159 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: about it this way. If this judge can order the 160 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,239 Speaker 2: executive to spend money that Congress has yet to appropriate, 161 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: why not just simply ordered Congress to appropriate all the money? 162 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he's already said this money is in the 163 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: contingency fund. It's appropriated, but it's for a specific use. 164 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: He's basically saying, I don't care what its use is. 165 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: I'm telling you to use it for current benefits. Well, 166 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: if he can do that, why not just tell Congress? 167 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: And I think if you're paying attention, you have to 168 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: understand where I'm going with this. Why doesn't the judge 169 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: just say, Congress spend whatever the appropriated amount is for 170 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: fiscal year twenty six, just go ahead and spend that money. 171 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: Because if he can order the executive to spend money 172 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: that Congress has not appropriated, again, I ask a simple question, 173 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: why don't you just tell Congress to appropriate the funds? 174 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: Why don't you just order Congress to do what the 175 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: COMPS Institution says is exclusively their job to spend money. So, 176 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: Josh Holly, our censor for Missouri, he introduced the Keep 177 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: Snap Funded Act, which the Democrats voted against. So forget 178 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: the politics of whether he should have done that or 179 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: didn't do or shouldn't have done that, because I've got 180 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: a different opinion maybe than some others. But he did 181 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: do it, and the Democrats voted against it. So That 182 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: proves to me that this issue is a political issue, 183 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 2: it's not an administrative issue. So now that means that 184 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: in both cases the judge would be violating the separation 185 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: of powers. He's trying to tell Congress how to do 186 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: their job. He's trying to tell Congress you must go 187 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: spend Wait a minute, Constitution says that Congress the House, 188 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: in the Senate. In fact, revenue bills have to start 189 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: in the House, just like this did, has to be 190 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: passed by the Senate. If they don't agree, they got 191 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 2: to go to the Conference committee. Then they agree, and 192 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: they go back and vote on and again. That's how 193 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: it worked. That's how the Constitution explains to us precisely 194 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: how it works. And this judge is stepping in and saying, man, 195 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: you know what, just go spend the money. That simple 196 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: contradiction exposes what I say is the first problem with 197 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 2: this ruling. It's short sighted. Even if the Department of 198 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: agu were to obey this ruling, the funds in that 199 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: contingency reserve would only keep snap running for maybe two 200 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: maybe three weeks. So what happens once those reserves are 201 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: exhausted again we would face a funding void. Worse it 202 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: is now drained to fund intended for actual emergencies, So 203 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: that means there will be fewer resources available if there 204 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: is a natural disaster hits. In effect, here's what the 205 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: Court's done. It sacrifices future disaster readiness in order to 206 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: secure for him at least a short term political point. 207 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: But I think it goes a lot worse than that. 208 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: It's a constitutional problem. Ready, let's go to Article one, 209 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: section nine clause seven of the US Constitution. If you're 210 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: reading along, pull your Constitution out. Article one. That's the exist, 211 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: that's the legislative branch. Section nine clause seven. I think 212 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: the language is pretty unambiguous. In fact, it's pretty clear. 213 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: It says, and I quote, no money. No money shall 214 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations 215 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: made by law. So the court's ordering them to do 216 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: something constitution says they can't do. The Supreme Court reaff 217 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: firm principle repeatedly. It started back in nineteen thirty seven 218 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: in a case called Soap, the US Cincinnati Soap, to 219 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: be precise. They did it again in nineteen seventy six 220 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: US versus McCollum. Those two cases make clear that the 221 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: executive can only spend what Congress explicitly tells the executive 222 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: that can spend. And if you spend otherwise, that's to 223 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: violate the Constitution itself. The president, I don't care who 224 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: holds the office, cannot spend one single dollar without congressional authorization. Congress, 225 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: you mean again, this is something that this is something 226 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: that truly ninth graders or certainly high schoolers ought to 227 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: be learning in some sort of government class. And that 228 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: is Congress holds the purse strings and no court can 229 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: pull those strings. That's up to the Congress. Now, let's 230 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: think about the Anti Deficiency Act. That actually makes what 231 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: I just said even stronger. It puts it into legal principle. 232 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: That act, the Anti Deficiency Act, makes it illegal for 233 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: any officer or employee of the federal government to make 234 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: any expenditure or any obligation in excess of an appropriation. 235 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: And in fact, it carries even criminal penalties. Now it 236 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: has administrative penalties too, like you know, you've got to 237 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: return the money, or you know, you've got to stop 238 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: the program, or you could get fired, but you could 239 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: also be criminally charged for it. Now, why would we 240 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: put that, why would Congress pass something like the Anti 241 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: Deficiency Act, because that makes certain that when Congress doesn't act, 242 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: the government comes to a halt. That stoppage is not 243 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: an accident. It is a constitutional design. It is a 244 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: mechanism that forces political resolution through the elected branches. Because 245 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: this is a political issue, it is not a legal issue. 246 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: So let's go by to the judge for a second. 247 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: His ruling puts the administration in an impossible position because 248 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: if Trump decides, okay, I'll comply with the order, then 249 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: what happens. That means that Trump has violated the Constitution 250 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: and he's violated the Anti Deficiency Act. Now if he refuses, 251 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: what's he doing. He's defying a court order. So that 252 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: this judge has an essence demanded that the president commit 253 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: an illegal act. Because it's even more absurd than that. 254 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: If the court can compel the president to spend without appropriations, 255 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: why doesn't the court just compel the Senate to pass 256 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: the continuing resolution? Well, because either way that would circumvent 257 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: the same constitutional framework, and neither is lawful. The Court 258 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: cannot take Congress's power of the purse any more than 259 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: it can draft legislation from the bench. And this is 260 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: not theoretical. I'll explain why. 261 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: I know the president listens to your program. 262 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: It's a president. 263 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: Don't do it. It's a trap. They're gonna sue you for 264 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: breaking the constitution if you do it. They're gonna sue 265 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 3: it for contempt to court. 266 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: If you don't. Don't do it. 267 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: Oh, you do it. It's a trap. Since you're talking 268 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: about appropriating snap money, why doesn't Congress just do it 269 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 3: on themselves? Who needs a judge's order? Hm hmm. 270 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I didn't get that. Can you do 271 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: that when again, Dragon, I'm gonna address that. 272 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: Since you're talking about appropriating snap money, why doesn't Congress 273 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 3: just do it on themselves? Who needs a judge's order? 274 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Well that's the problem. The Democrats aren't doing it. 275 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: We have a can Maybe I'm maybe I'm reading too 276 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: much into your talkback. So the how's the representatives pass 277 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: the continuing Resolution? That is an appropriations act. It funds 278 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: all departments and agencies. It funds the entire executive branch, 279 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, It funds everything at the federal level 280 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: through a certain period. It's an appropriation and it's at 281 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: the same appropriation level as the previous spending levels so 282 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: that they can enter into negotiations to actually pass a budget. 283 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: So that's what it does. The House has done their job. 284 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 2: Bipartisan Democrats and Republicans voted to pass this CR. They 285 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: send it. In fact, let me just quit calling it 286 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 2: a CR, although technically that's what it is. They passed 287 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: an appropriations bill via a CR, passed it in the House, 288 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: send it to the Senate, following constitutional procedure. The Senate 289 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: gets it, the Democrats filibuster it, which means they won't 290 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: allow it to come to a vote until they stop debate. 291 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: To stop debate in the Senate requires sixty votes. We 292 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: only have fifty three Republicans plus jd Vance, the Vice 293 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: President if he were to vote, so we need five. 294 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: We need technically seven to get to sixty Democrats some 295 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 2: have already said that they will do that, like John Fetterman, 296 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: that would just simply stop debate. It's the technical term 297 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 2: is invoke cloture. Once the Senate stops debate, then the 298 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: bill goes to the hat I mean, goes to the 299 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: floor of the Senate. For a simple majority vote, you 300 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: only need at the minimum fifty votes because the Vice 301 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: press the Senate's fifty one hundred senators. If all you 302 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: get is fifty, then the Vice President can come vote. 303 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: He can break the vote that Appropriations Bill I e. 304 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: The CR passes. But if they get some additional Democrats 305 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: and they can get to sixty votes, then it stops 306 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: debate in votes cloture. It goes to the floor of 307 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: the Senate, and as long as they can get fifty 308 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: one votes, which means even a couple of Republicans vote 309 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: against it. If Ran Paul is still against it, he 310 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: can actually vote against it when it gets to that 311 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: floor vote. That's where we are in terms of the 312 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: legislative process. But as I said at the end of 313 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 2: the last segment, the Court can't take the power that 314 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: is reserved exclusively to the Congress to spend money, just 315 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: as it can't just draft legislation and say here's a 316 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: new law. You got to follow this new law. And 317 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 2: I'm not just being theoretical. During other shutdowns, administrations of 318 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 2: both parties Obama Trump's first term Biden's term have adhered 319 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 2: to the same constitutional limits. Let's go back to twenty eighteen. 320 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: I know makes your brain hurt. Twenty eighteen, the Department 321 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: of ag found a really creative way to issue February 322 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: snap benefits early because they have a technical authority from 323 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: an expiring continuing resolution, so they were operating under continuing resolution. 324 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: It had not yet expired yet, so they pulled that 325 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 2: money forward to beat the new CRS deadline and got 326 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 2: the benefits out early. But it did not tap the 327 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 2: contingency reserve for the regular benefits. That reserve existed and 328 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: remained in place, and nobody screamed to them to you 329 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: that because they had found a way around it. The 330 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Government Accountability Office the GAO later determined that even that 331 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: early issuance probably pushed the bounds of legality. The consistent 332 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: practice has been to avoid spending any unappropriated funds, no 333 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: matter how pressing the need is. So now this idea 334 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: that a federal district trial judge at the bottom of 335 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: the latter well one wrung up from a magistrate can 336 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: somehow now up end the entire constitutional framework, that is 337 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: judicial activism of the most dangerous kind. Courts exist according 338 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: to the Constitution, shows you how far off we've gotten. 339 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: Courts exist to interpret law, not to write appropriation bills, 340 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: and the Supreme Court is long warned against that kind 341 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: of encroachment. Justice Scalia once said this, the Constitution does 342 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: not permit the judiciary to usurp the functions of the 343 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: legislative branch under the guise, I would say pretense of 344 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: judicial interpretation, because in our system of government, one of 345 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: the most important aspects is the separation of powers. That 346 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: is a structural safeguard to make sure that one branch 347 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: of government doesn't become the king and just rule everything. 348 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 2: If somebody wanted to defend this judge's ruling claiming that 349 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: somehow humanitarian urgency justifies the court acting unconstitutionally. Urgency, political 350 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: urgency in particular, cannot override the constitution. Every unconstitutional act 351 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: is undertaken for what somebody always believes, Oh, it's a 352 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: good cause. The framers design the Constitution and our framework 353 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: of governing precisely to avoid and resist that kind of urgency, 354 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: that kind of temptation. James Madison Federal's number fifty one quote, 355 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: you must first enable the government to control the governed, 356 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: and in the next place, oblige it to control itself. 357 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: What did he mean, Well, if you allow a judge 358 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: to spend money when congressional will not to spend money. Well, 359 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: that's the very opposite self restraint. Congress is making political decisions. 360 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: The judge is trying to insert himself into political decisions. 361 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 2: He is violating the separation of powers. And in addition 362 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: to that, this really is a perverse precedent. I want 363 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: you to think about it this way. If this single 364 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: judge can compel spending on SNAP during a funding lapse, 365 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: why can't the judge enforce spending on other programs? Could 366 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: the judge order the dd to pay soldiers during the shutdown, 367 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: or the Department of Transportation to keep funding highway projects. 368 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: The logic of this judge, Judge McConnell's order knows no bounds. 369 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: It's limitless. What he has practically done is invite a 370 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: judicial takeover of the fiscal policy of the United States 371 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: of America, which is squarely reserved to the legislative branch 372 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: Article I of the Constitution. And the framers put it 373 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: that way because they feared precisely this kind of drift 374 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: a power from one to another, the slow but steady 375 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 2: erosion of the legislature's control over our money. Now you 376 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: might object that SNAP recipients, we don't them to suffer 377 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: becausement because the Congress is dysfunctional. Well, that's true, that's 378 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: absolutely true. There are some snap beneficiaries that I feel 379 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 2: sorry for. There are others that I hope that this 380 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: teaches them a lesson. Don't rely on the government. But 381 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: regardless of what I think, that's the material. The remedy 382 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: is in Congress. The remedy is not the court system. 383 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: We cannot forget that the Constitution gives Congress the exclusive 384 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: authority to spend money. I challenge you go read Article 385 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: three of the US Constitution. That's the judiciary. You tell 386 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: me where it gives the judiciary power to spend money. 387 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: It does not. Michael. 388 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: My question is what can be done with a rogue 389 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: judge like this one who's sort of writing law from 390 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: the bench. 391 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: There's got to be some provision for that. There is. 392 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: It's called impeachment, and they can impeach. They can impeach. 393 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: That's a political process. So they would have to start 394 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: the impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives. There would 395 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: have to be enough to pass articles over to the 396 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: Senate that you'd have to have enough votes in the 397 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: Senate two thirds to convict them and remove them from 398 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: the bench, it has been done before. The claim here 399 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: would be that he has exceeded his authority, he's violated 400 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: the separation of powers. And if there are other instances 401 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: where he's done this, I think that it would really 402 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: look if we really want to start holding people accountable, 403 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: is there are political remedies. And this is what the 404 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: Framers did. That's so brilliant. They establish political remedies for 405 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: us to do this. But it starts, unfortunately with us. 406 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: I say unfortunately with us, because do you think for 407 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: a New York second. I'm not sure what a New 408 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: York second will be after a Communist takes over, but 409 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: right now New York second is pretty damn fast. But 410 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: right now, under an American New York City second, how 411 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: long do you think it would be before anybody in 412 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: the House of Representatives, with maybe a few exceptions, would 413 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: stand up and draft articles of impeachment and then really 414 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: push hard, including getting the Speaker and the Whip and 415 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: the Minority leader everybody they can on board. Now they 416 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: probably never get the Minority leader, but at least get 417 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: the Speaker of the House, the Majority leader, and the 418 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: Whip involved and get enough people, enough Republicans and maybe 419 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: a few Democrats to actually impeach a judge. They won't. Now. 420 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: If if the country, if you and I, as members 421 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: of our respective congressional districts, were mad enough and enough 422 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: of us were upset about this, and we put the 423 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: pressure on, it might occur. But that's what it's going 424 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: to take. Because I don't depend on them to do anything. 425 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: I take you to New Mexico. 426 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: Funding was set to freeze for millions of Americans to 427 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: federal judges order the Trump administration to keep the program 428 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 4: running using emergency funds. SNAP recipients have told us their 429 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 4: benefits have not been working. Julian pat has spoke with 430 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: some who explain why these benefits are so important. 431 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: The first thing I did was I'm calling a call 432 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: out of when I hired. 433 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: To see the world dollars, my chest went into my throat. 434 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Maggiotta Gon has been a SNAP recipients for more than 435 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: three decades. Even with these benefits, she says she also 436 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: relies on food banks to get enough food. 437 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: I have depended on the benefits since the nineteen nineties, 438 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: and it's detrimental to my life if I don't get them. 439 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 4: There are more than four. 440 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: I've depended on those benefits since the nineteen nineties, and 441 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: it's detrimental to my life if I don't get them. 442 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: I'll send this over to Dragon so you can put 443 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: it up. This comes to us from the ABC affiliate 444 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: in Albuquerque, sent to me by Alex. Thanks Alex. I 445 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know this woman from Adam. Maybe 446 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: she's got some debilitating disease that she's had for thirty 447 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: years and I can't see it on the video. I 448 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: don't know, But three decades of food welfare and food banks, 449 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: that's what happens. You wonder why these programs grow out 450 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: of control, and you doubt me when I say that 451 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 2: all we do is we incentivize people to stay on 452 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: the programs, and the people that administer the programs are 453 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: incentivized to keep them on the programs, to add more 454 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: people to the programs. And you think that I'm the 455 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: nut job. You think that I'm the cold hearted, uncompassionate ahole. 456 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: It thinks that this is adway out of control, pre decades, 457 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: pre decades, since the nineteen nineties, and it's detrimental to 458 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: my life if I don't get them.