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Speaker 2: He's got fun backed on seven hundred WLW alot news
Speaker 2: and big news we've had in the headlines recently. There's
Speaker 2: other things that are kind of important. One of those
Speaker 2: is I don't know if you saw this, but the
Speaker 2: auditor of state State of Ohio reported at least twenty
Speaker 2: three cyber attacks against government offices in the past twelve months.
Speaker 2: It's here in Ohio, including seven hundred thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: theft in Licking County. We've seen this in Dayton, and
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati and across the area. Oh and let's not
Speaker 2: forget that one in Middletown. And as a result, lawmakers
Speaker 2: are working on cybersecurity legislations coming together that would require
Speaker 2: municipalities to develop their own policies in response to those
Speaker 2: cyber attacks and local governments. Chris Nihis is here. He's
Speaker 2: the CEO of Cincinnati based Vigilant Cyber Security and Joints
Speaker 2: show to discuss Chris.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Thanks Scott, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the new law, we also have
Speaker 2: the holiday buying season here. Everyone's clicking, clicking, clicking. We
Speaker 2: just had cyber Monday biggest one Everett grows every year.
Speaker 2: We had a huge Black Friday, buying a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff online or ordering it picking up later what it
Speaker 2: might be. And we have seen a threat against the
Speaker 2: supply chain. For those at the user end can explain
Speaker 2: what's going on here, what to look out for.
Speaker 3: Right, So what's crazy about this?
Speaker 5: So MPMs are packets of data it's or it's it's software,
Speaker 5: and what developers will do is they'll go out and
Speaker 5: get the software kind of like a marketplace, and they'll
Speaker 5: pull it put it into their software that they write
Speaker 5: so that they don't have to write those modules again.
Speaker 5: So what basically happened here is uh is an individual
Speaker 5: that manages these some of these MPMs, they were fished
Speaker 5: and basically gave up access to these modules. Attacks went
Speaker 5: in modified them to when they were updated, like when
Speaker 5: people update their software, and these are definitely the cyber
Speaker 5: attack went into all of these different pieces of software
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 3: So the problem with this is.
Speaker 5: Is that developers don't always necessarily know what packages they
Speaker 5: put into these applications. Companies they don't know if they
Speaker 5: take a piece of software and they put it into
Speaker 5: their websites or whatever. In this case, it's affecting a
Speaker 5: lot of crypto wallets that are out there, and so
Speaker 5: it's a massive problem because this supply chain attack of
Speaker 5: basically a supply chain of the piece of software that
Speaker 5: gets to tribute all kinds of places with maybe no
Speaker 5: record that's even there is. It can affect the applications
Speaker 5: you use every day. And in a lot of case,
Speaker 5: what they're seeing where a lot of these applications were
Speaker 5: affected were crypto wallets. So if you're transferring crypto, one
Speaker 5: of the things that's happening is malicious attackers. So it's
Speaker 5: where if you go to transfer crypto, the software actually
Speaker 5: swaps out the sending address that you're sending to with
Speaker 5: their address, So they're accumulating crypto from people trying to
Speaker 5: make legitimate transactions by just changing that out.
Speaker 4: Wow, got it.
Speaker 2: So now every time you click buy or you know,
Speaker 2: add the car right now, now you've got to think
Speaker 2: about that, right.
Speaker 3: No, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: As we talk with HB ninety six, it's even these
Speaker 5: things can be related, right because you know, when when
Speaker 5: it's software, it's embedded in software you use, you don't
Speaker 5: necessarily know those things are happening. So like within PM
Speaker 5: it's invisible to everybody out there, you know, but it's everywhere, right.
Speaker 5: It's the software library system that developers use to build
Speaker 5: these apps and websites, and so you know, I think
Speaker 5: it's like the plumbing behind all of your favorite apps, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right right right, We don't think about it until
Speaker 2: now we can breach that as well. And this gets
Speaker 2: back to the discussion about HB ninety six, your cybersecurity
Speaker 2: legislation across the state. The state says, well, if you're
Speaker 2: in a municipality, you have to come up with a
Speaker 2: plan to deal with cyber attacks on local level. You've
Speaker 2: got to review your do a systems review, identify risks
Speaker 2: and mitigation and stuff like that. But I mean that'd
Speaker 2: be okay for Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland. Maybe if you're a
Speaker 2: Toledo or a date. But what about a middle town.
Speaker 2: We saw what happened well this past summer, systems down
Speaker 2: timelines for restoration up in the air. I know that
Speaker 2: it was a huge suthing to be a huge problem,
Speaker 2: and the people in Middletown are actually angry. They want
Speaker 2: to answer some this whole thing.
Speaker 5: Well, see here, the thing about it is, and you know,
Speaker 5: you and I've talked about cyber for a while here
Speaker 5: is that the commodity technology that's out there in the
Speaker 5: market just it just doesn't work. And and that's that's
Speaker 5: something that people don't like me to say, especially in
Speaker 5: this industry, but it's the truth of it. And you know,
Speaker 5: if you look at all of the reports year after year,
Speaker 5: the time it takes to detect a threat right now
Speaker 5: is seven years.
Speaker 3: I mean that seven years starts seven months.
Speaker 4: That's grown years.
Speaker 6: I know that.
Speaker 5: Well sometimes you know, with with the attack against Dropbox
Speaker 5: it was four years, right so so, but average right
Speaker 5: now with seven months and and and that's where you know,
Speaker 5: the part of the issue is the cyber industry just
Speaker 5: doesn't have a significant amount of technology you have to
Speaker 5: pivot that really is effective. And when it is effective tech,
Speaker 5: it does take teams that have had skill sets in
Speaker 5: and have a lot of time to focus on that.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately in our school districts and local governments, you know,
Speaker 5: they don't have the funding.
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're they're not giving the funding to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 5: And you know, if you watch some of these uh
Speaker 5: you know, council meetings, you'll find where you know, someone
Speaker 5: bring up purchase for cybersecurity and it gets trumps because
Speaker 5: of cydewalks fixes right and which are both important. But
Speaker 5: but they just don't get the funding and they don't
Speaker 5: have the resources. So to your point, yes, it's going
Speaker 5: to be a problem.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: You know what happens though in these organizations is they
Speaker 5: buy commodity software that is more automatic, and that's that's
Speaker 5: part of the issue, is that the automatic approach to
Speaker 5: cyber treaty doesn't work, and so these school districts are
Speaker 5: going to have to spend a lot more money. Local
Speaker 5: governments are gonna have to do the same. They're going
Speaker 5: to have to bolster their teams up uh, and they're
Speaker 5: going to have to really be wise about the tech
Speaker 5: that they buy inside the environments you know that they
Speaker 5: that they use.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, that's the thing is finding the proper vendor.
Speaker 2: But it's up to the municipality though to figure out,
Speaker 2: you know, what the detection is there too. So the
Speaker 2: onus is on them is in this in this bill,
Speaker 2: can I just go wait a minute, I've got a
Speaker 2: bad vendor or I hired someone doesn't know what the
Speaker 2: hell they're doing. Does that cover them legally from the
Speaker 2: state perspective, What about that because I don't know what
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 5: And that's really the thing with all of this is that,
Speaker 5: you know, companies have to be extremely careful about the
Speaker 5: tech they buy. They can't just buy a brand name.
Speaker 5: And in fact, if you look at that seven months
Speaker 5: of time, that's driven by the you know, the organizations
Speaker 5: that have quote unquote more market share. So you have
Speaker 5: to be really careful about the organizations you buy because
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you are legally responsible
Speaker 5: because you chose where to put the data. And in
Speaker 5: this case, you know there there's you know, the responsibility
Speaker 5: to report. I mean, you have to report an incident
Speaker 5: within seven days, you know, from when it happened. I
Speaker 5: mean right now, it's seven months to even detect it.
Speaker 5: You have to you know, you can't ransomware, which I
Speaker 5: think is a good thing in most cases because it
Speaker 5: will it will slow down the process for these attackers.
Speaker 5: I think it'll make school districts a lot less of
Speaker 5: a target in some ways because they'll be harder to
Speaker 5: get them. But they have to get either board approval
Speaker 5: or they have to get counsel approval to pay to
Speaker 5: ransomware now, which is really good. But the other thing
Speaker 5: that I I'll say, I do really love about this bill,
Speaker 5: and it's something that I think Ohio did really really
Speaker 5: well and the states like California did really really poorly.
Speaker 5: And basically in this bill, it makes all cybersecurity records
Speaker 5: and purchases confidential, and in like California, they have to
Speaker 5: report everything they do literally public record. And so why
Speaker 5: that's important is when you're when you're fighting against cyber
Speaker 5: tackers that know what they're doing, and if you have
Speaker 5: a document that you literally just put out there right
Speaker 5: and you tell everybody all the technology you use, and
Speaker 5: all the purches you use, and all your records, then
Speaker 5: they know exactly how to attack you. So I think
Speaker 5: Ohio did a really good thing. You don't normally see
Speaker 5: that from lawmakers a lot because they're not really technologically
Speaker 5: advanced when they write these laws.
Speaker 3: Ohio did an awesome job.
Speaker 4: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: Here's California, Silicon Valley, Apple, all these big and they
Speaker 2: screw it up.
Speaker 4: Here's Ohio. We get it right. Good for right, we
Speaker 4: get it right.
Speaker 2: Oh the reason I live in Ohio now California, Chris
Speaker 2: and I heis CEO of vigil and Cybersecurity in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: We're a few weeks in now to legislation that was
Speaker 2: passed in the state of Ohio that says you got
Speaker 2: to come up with a plan no matter how big
Speaker 2: or small municipality is, your old town, your village, if
Speaker 2: you have an online presence, you've got to come up
Speaker 2: with a cyber plan. And there's a lot of questions
Speaker 2: there for the smaller ones. I mean the big ones.
Speaker 2: Cleveland had a huge cyber attack. They're a victim of.
Speaker 2: I believe the court system in Cleveland recently had that happen.
Speaker 2: So it's big cities too, not just places like Middletown
Speaker 2: where we were shut down for a while, and the
Speaker 2: residents are angry because they just want to know how
Speaker 2: much information was compromised. We know, like, for example, the
Speaker 2: one in Columbus, Columbus last year. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: it was a major one. I think it breached like
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand people, including names and dobs, addresses, tax accounts, socials,
Speaker 2: all that stuff that's stolen and sold in the dark web.
Speaker 2: Still have no idea who did it, where the information is.
Speaker 2: It's just out there in the ether and there's no
Speaker 2: catching these people, as we've talked about before, Chris, But
Speaker 2: those are two of many. I think the problem for
Speaker 2: me is and I heard about this firsthand from a friend.
Speaker 2: Kettering Health Alliance had a ransomware malware attack shut everything down,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what the outcome was, but you know,
Speaker 2: their pr people kind of played it close to the vest, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: everything's fine, we got it under control, we're working on
Speaker 2: the problem, and there's no disclosure. Now, if you're that's
Speaker 2: one thing in your company, but if it's your health records,
Speaker 2: if it's your social if it's your address, I need
Speaker 2: to know that that information has been compromised and it's transparency,
Speaker 2: so you look at it go. You know, I just
Speaker 2: don't want to held accountable. I don't want to get
Speaker 2: voted out if I'm a Middletown City council person, if
Speaker 2: I'm the mayor of Columbus, or I'm the CEO of
Speaker 2: a healthcare operation. I don't want that on my I'm
Speaker 2: the one stead staying on my record, so we'll downplay it.
Speaker 2: That's not good for the people who have been victimized.
Speaker 5: Though it's not you know, you know, we we have
Speaker 5: to be better. You know, organizations have to be better
Speaker 5: at communicating. They have to they have to not hide it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: That's where a lot of these classacks from lasting against
Speaker 5: these organizations are starting to come around. The one thing
Speaker 5: I will say is that is that when it comes
Speaker 5: to these records, you know, when you when you want,
Speaker 5: you know, our records, yours of mine already stolen. You know,
Speaker 5: the majority of the population over eighteen already stolen. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's been so many breaches one after the other that
Speaker 5: data is out there, especially as social numbers things like that.
Speaker 5: You know, where schools come into play in the municipalities.
Speaker 5: There's two things that are interesting here. One is every
Speaker 5: year as kids turn terms eighteen, right, it's a new
Speaker 5: group of people whose identities haven't been compromised yet, and
Speaker 5: so schools are a great place for attackers to come
Speaker 5: in and get high value target information. And what I
Speaker 5: mean high value target is yours. My records sell for
Speaker 5: about a dollar out there in the marketplace.
Speaker 3: Some of that's turning step.
Speaker 5: You know, seventeen eighteen, their records are going to sell
Speaker 5: for a lot more out of the hacking marketplace because
Speaker 5: they haven't been used yet whereas yours or mine, you know,
Speaker 5: if they have to prove it everything else. So schools
Speaker 5: are a major target for that. So you know, as
Speaker 5: a parent, one of the things you can do right
Speaker 5: now is make sure you get identity STEFF protection for
Speaker 5: your kids. Even though they're under eighteen, they have to
Speaker 5: have that. Make sure you lock down their credit because
Speaker 5: what happens is these you know, go to apply for
Speaker 5: their first vehicle and they realize they have a portable
Speaker 5: credit score because you know their identity. Since you know
Speaker 5: with that, when it comes to municipalities, you know, we
Speaker 5: are in an international cyber war already happens and people
Speaker 5: in this industry know it. We as as you know,
Speaker 5: citizens United States have to realize that it is.
Speaker 3: An it is an actual.
Speaker 5: Border to border war and and with that, our municipalities,
Speaker 5: our local police departments are emergencies response systems. You know,
Speaker 5: when cyber war continues to escalate, those are the places
Speaker 5: that are going to get shut down first, right and
Speaker 5: you're not going to have the services, So that there
Speaker 5: has to be accountability to make sure that these things
Speaker 5: are done right in that our identity is protected.
Speaker 2: You just assume your information is out there as an adult.
Speaker 2: And so you know, we have the credit monitoring thing
Speaker 2: going on, and we have a LifeLock or whatever the
Speaker 2: version is of it that we have, but that's a
Speaker 2: good brand. And also make sure that our credit reports
Speaker 2: are locked down. And so we originally bought a new
Speaker 2: house and had to go remember to unlock all the
Speaker 2: credit reports for a while till they pulled your credit
Speaker 2: and then lock them back up. Is that the best
Speaker 2: pay is that the best you can do to prevent
Speaker 2: your information from me you just assume it's being misused.
Speaker 2: But if you have your credit the three credit beers
Speaker 2: locked down, then there's not much they can do as
Speaker 2: far as trying to get credit in your.
Speaker 5: Name, right right, I mean, and that's finance side of things.
Speaker 5: So yes, locking things down there, making sure you have
Speaker 5: credit holds, you know, unless you're going to purchase something,
Speaker 5: then turn the credit hold off and then turn it
Speaker 5: back on. Make sure you're working with a reputable organization
Speaker 5: will text your credit. But also make sure that you
Speaker 5: have insurance around it, you know, identity step protection. You know,
Speaker 5: getting your identity back can cost over a million dollars sometimes,
Speaker 5: and so you know, I mean it depends you one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand million, you know wherever, how widespread that is.
Speaker 5: So make sure you have insurance, you know, with whoever
Speaker 5: you're working with. And again for your kids. You have
Speaker 5: to make sure that you do that for your kids.
Speaker 5: If you if you don't, if you haven't done it,
Speaker 5: do it today, right because right because it's it's a
Speaker 5: growing problem.
Speaker 2: Because you're young, you don't, you're not, thank you, you know,
Speaker 2: you haven't pulled any credit yet, and so I don't
Speaker 2: need to lock my credit down.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: But all they need is a social Security number. And
Speaker 2: you know, you can be sixteen, seventeen, eighteen and they
Speaker 2: can use that social We've seen them use it for
Speaker 2: dead people and newborns. Why not teenagers? We just don't
Speaker 2: think of.
Speaker 3: It right, right?
Speaker 5: And the other thing too is you know what you know,
Speaker 5: want your kids, you turn a team, you know, help them,
Speaker 5: put them on your credit card as well, and and
Speaker 5: then that way they have some if something does happen
Speaker 5: where their identity is stolen, you at least have some
Speaker 5: good credit that is built then so they can they
Speaker 5: can bounce it off, you know, set them up for success.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's you know, you know this data.
Speaker 5: Is so widespread companies just I'll just say companies do not.
Speaker 3: Protect data the way they're supposed to.
Speaker 5: And and a lot of it isn't their fault in
Speaker 5: the sense of what we were talking about earlier. It's
Speaker 5: they're the ones that made the decision to choose the
Speaker 5: technology or the solutions that they put in, but they
Speaker 5: don't have the skill set to do the due diligence
Speaker 5: to it, or they don't have the budget to purchase
Speaker 5: the things they need, and so it is a growing problem.
Speaker 3: It's going to keep.
Speaker 5: Getting worse until there's a lot more accountability in place.
Speaker 5: But then with accountability comes regulation, and with regulation there's
Speaker 5: somethings less, less flexibility. So yes, it's a fine line.
Speaker 2: Chris Nihi, CEO of Vigilant Cybersecurity and Cincinnati, always enjoy
Speaker 2: the conversation the especially the eye opening information.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Nik, I appreciate you, great guy.
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Speaker 4: Of the PlayStation play stays on.
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Speaker 4: It was great, and that was state of the art
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Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: You're like, wow, this is so realistic, and now you
Speaker 2: know the players, it looks like real life. It's it's
Speaker 2: incredible how much better the technology gets, like every release,
Speaker 2: every new release at something else. Also news wise today,
Speaker 2: the story that is it was initially kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what a story, but now it's turned entirely tragic.
Speaker 2: So the stolen Middletown police cruiser recovered in Independence, turn
Speaker 2: out the person who stole it stabbed an individual Middletown
Speaker 2: thirty times, and when the cops showed up, Middletown police
Speaker 2: showed up to respond, he snuck around and stole the cruiser.
Speaker 2: He has been captured, as I said, though in independence
Speaker 2: and a bunch of departments alerted to be on the
Speaker 2: lookout for a cruiser. Yeah, and you know, before it
Speaker 2: turned into an attempted murder. I don't know what the outcome.
Speaker 2: I can't say I missed the whole story there or
Speaker 2: the I know the guy was stabbed thirty times. I'm
Speaker 2: sure it was fatal or not. You'd think it would be,
Speaker 2: but hopefully it's not. Is that what a story that
Speaker 2: would be outside of the attempted homicide? Like, what is
Speaker 2: going through your mind? They're like, I'm going to steal
Speaker 2: this police car because initially before the story out there
Speaker 2: was an attempted murder?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 2: Somebody just took the car and enjoy road And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well you left it running. What's going
Speaker 2: on now? Typically, you know, not always, but you know
Speaker 2: they will they lock the car. But some situation like this,
Speaker 2: obviously you're trying to respond to a life or desk situation,
Speaker 2: so that explains it, but guy jumps in the car
Speaker 2: takes off with it, like, you know that's not gonna
Speaker 2: end well, right, because first of all, you know they
Speaker 2: have GPS on it. I would think you also have
Speaker 2: every other agency in the state, and while actually in
Speaker 2: probably two or three states with that matter, not just Ohio,
Speaker 2: but Kentucky and Indiana. Bolo goes out, Okay, we're looking
Speaker 2: for a Middletown suv. It's not like it's just hey,
Speaker 2: is we're looking for a white suv? That'd be hard
Speaker 2: difficulty level gets much much better easier gameplay when it's
Speaker 2: got Middletown police all over it and you're driving through Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Ignore.
Speaker 2: Let would stand out in at one point they were
Speaker 2: driving with the with the lights activated, and maybe the
Speaker 2: person driving is like, hey, I know me to get
Speaker 2: a cop, but what the hell, it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: great story. I'm rolling in, you know, try to kill
Speaker 2: someone and I'm rolling and a stolen police car. I
Speaker 2: might as well turn the lights and sirens on. I
Speaker 2: might as well get maximized the fun here and obviously
Speaker 2: taking to the custody there. So good it was get
Speaker 2: that that idiot off the street, you know, what but
Speaker 2: it makes sense. I was like, okay, I got to
Speaker 2: get away. The only thing available would be a police car. Okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I was thinking initially it was parked somewhere,
Speaker 2: I'll run in to get a cup of coffee, go
Speaker 2: to the bathroom, whatever, And someone stole a police car, Like,
Speaker 2: you're just asking asking for trouble.
Speaker 4: They're asking for trouble.
Speaker 2: Yesterday we had residents of Victory Vista apartments and Paddo
Speaker 2: Hills showing up to council because the new owners are
Speaker 2: I guess the developers. Anyway, there's a threat that they
Speaker 2: could double or triple their current rent payments. Now it
Speaker 2: is the land on myself, I go, wow, what what
Speaker 2: are you doing that would cause you to have to
Speaker 2: double or triple your current rent payment? So their city council,
Speaker 2: the mayor mayor after a puirval, was pretty outrage about this,
Speaker 2: saying it's wrong and he's furious and potentially predatory, and
Speaker 2: I'm all for everybody getting their money, but this, even
Speaker 2: this is something that gives the landlord's a bad name.
Speaker 2: But also the fact of the matter is it's just
Speaker 2: it's confiscatory, is what it is. Doubling or tripling the rent.
Speaker 2: I mean, how much were we paying like a dollar
Speaker 2: a month before, right, I mean how much I would
Speaker 2: think I was like pretty close to it may be
Speaker 2: below fair market value, okay, you know, we want to
Speaker 2: kind of keep up, and there's expenses and everything else,
Speaker 2: and not everyone who's the landlord is an evil, you know,
Speaker 2: moniacal mustache, twirling money baron for crying out Loud'm just
Speaker 2: trying to make a profit here. But he said he
Speaker 2: we're gonna take action or city's looking at action. And
Speaker 2: this is from where it was Local twelve head of
Speaker 2: the store. I did an interview with him and the
Speaker 2: developer though the buildings developer kingsleyan Company is one of
Speaker 2: the principles in that company is Chiddenman duke Way. Of course,
Speaker 2: Chinman Dukeway was central in the PG Sittenfeld arrest. Now,
Speaker 2: of course those charges no longer they all dismissed. He's
Speaker 2: out of jail. And now you start wondering, well, maybe
Speaker 2: it wasn't PG. Maybe it was Chittleman Duke Way. Is
Speaker 2: there's maybe he's the guy that's driving. So they developed
Speaker 2: the building and they had federal tax money involved a
Speaker 2: million dollar capital grant from the city, and they received
Speaker 2: a one tax abatement over fifteen years from the city
Speaker 2: based on the estimated two and a half million dollar
Speaker 2: worth of the of the building after it was built.
Speaker 2: And so in the abatement application they said without it,
Speaker 2: they we'd be about a million two short on it,
Speaker 2: and so they gave a taxibatement to make up the difference.
Speaker 2: And they also said, by the way, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: we're not increasing rent right now, We're going to wait
Speaker 2: till after the first year.
Speaker 4: Well, you know it is.
Speaker 2: I want to point this out, but it's December fourth.
Speaker 2: Well I'm technically we're not going to do it right now.
Speaker 2: That would be but starting January first, double or triple.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever heard that one before where
Speaker 2: your rent has gone up double or triple. Maybe in
Speaker 2: you know, out west or something where the real estate
Speaker 2: is ridiculously expensive out there and the cost rentals are
Speaker 2: ridiculous expensive, but certainly not here in the Midwest alone Cincinnati, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you do? Why would you double or triple
Speaker 2: the rent at this point? I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, it's like a total I
Speaker 2: don't know entirely about the building Victory Vista Apartments. But
Speaker 2: typically if you're doing this, is that a remodel is
Speaker 2: it a complete build? And I don't know how you
Speaker 2: went in factor that in and during the cost thing,
Speaker 2: it just seems like you're asking for trouble, taking the
Speaker 2: tax money and then doubling or tripling the rent. If
Speaker 2: indeed that is the story, So we'll find out for sure,
Speaker 2: but that is a disturbing story, and especially when it's seniors,
Speaker 2: it's just not a good look for you as a
Speaker 2: business person for sure.
Speaker 4: Also, I have this story here.
Speaker 2: I love a good prank, You love a good prank,
Speaker 2: and it seems like we are in the post prank
Speaker 2: era because everyone takes a prank so freaking seriously. Now,
Speaker 2: I understand if there's something whether someone's in danger to
Speaker 2: do something that's you know, like the what's the one
Speaker 2: teams are doing now that the you know, knock on
Speaker 2: the door, you know, palm the door with your foot
Speaker 2: or something like that and people come out and now
Speaker 2: people are getting shot over it. Now, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're damaging the door, that's one thing, but you know,
Speaker 2: knocking and running ding dong ditch basically is what it is.
Speaker 2: We used to do that back in the day, not today,
Speaker 2: you know, people getting shot.
Speaker 4: Over things like that.
Speaker 2: We've taken a little bit more seriously and than it
Speaker 2: should be, and we also take any prank. What's over
Speaker 2: now is like some sort of act of youd think
Speaker 2: they're eligibly be interned in Gitmo or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: but I saw this one a while that that is
Speaker 2: definitely something I'm going to replicate. So this is out
Speaker 2: I think in the Northeast, and they're digging up a
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a concrete foundation or something concrete.
Speaker 2: So they're breaking up concrete and they find a human
Speaker 2: skull in the concrete. So everything on the job it stops.
Speaker 2: I don't know how big a project it was, so
Speaker 2: it looked like maybe some of the pictures it was
Speaker 2: a some sort of yard remodel, something along those lines,
Speaker 2: maybe doing an addition on a house. Didn't look like
Speaker 2: it was commercial. But nonetheless, and they find a skull,
Speaker 2: a human skull in the concrete. Well that's gonna stop
Speaker 2: work right there. We're gonna shut this down. So they
Speaker 2: come in and investigate a look at it. They pull
Speaker 2: it out like okay, well, worker zooms. They send it
Speaker 2: to the forensic laboratory. The corner's looking at it, they're
Speaker 2: doing sampling. They find out it was a fake skull. Now,
Speaker 2: immediately I heard that one. That is brilliant. I mean,
Speaker 2: you want to talk about a long play, like the
Speaker 2: longest play prank, because normally you put concrete down, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be there for a minute, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 2: there well forever. Or you know, if you're doing a dack,
Speaker 2: let's say, and you're putting you know, peers in a pielone,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you put that in and you go,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be you know, twenty thirty years before somebody
Speaker 2: breaks us up. That is a long play on a gag.
Speaker 2: But so from now, and I look, by the way
Speaker 2: I looked on Amazon, you can get a lifelike looking
Speaker 2: human skull made a plastic made a resin for about
Speaker 2: eighteen bucks. Now to me, that's a sound investment. There's
Speaker 2: nothing better than a good prank, especially a prank where
Speaker 2: it's such a long like I'll be dead by the
Speaker 2: time somebody unearths this and goes, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: a human skull and then finds out it's a resin.
Speaker 2: Maybe put a note inside the skull, like gotcha or
Speaker 2: something like that, so somebody in the future will be
Speaker 2: digging up. I don't know, not that I'm digging, you know,
Speaker 2: putting a lot and saw a lot of concrete a
Speaker 2: foreign slab and maybe put it below it or something
Speaker 2: like that. But that would be unbelievable. I mean you
Speaker 2: would if you're on the job right of your contractor
Speaker 2: you're shaking your head, probably laughing, going that would be
Speaker 2: an unbelievable plant. I wouldn't I won't be there to
Speaker 2: see it, but just knowing that it is going to
Speaker 2: pay dividends in the future to me worth the eighteen bucks,
Speaker 2: worth the eighteen bucks every time out of more seriously,
Speaker 2: I might have to get someone on the show next week.
Speaker 2: I'm off Monday going up to Buffalo for the game,
Speaker 2: but on Tuesday maybe. And I think I had George
Speaker 2: laying out of Westchester on this. I was kind of
Speaker 2: all for this.
Speaker 4: Did you have a job when you're a kid?
Speaker 7: I did.
Speaker 2: My first job was in high school I think goes
Speaker 2: like maybe sixteen years old, and it was one of
Speaker 2: those deals where you would, you know, go to school
Speaker 2: for half the day and then go to work for
Speaker 2: the other half. Because I'm not an academic guy. I
Speaker 2: couldn't wait to get at school. And it was great
Speaker 2: because you know, at that age you're making your own
Speaker 2: money and it's the best time of your life. The
Speaker 2: best job sometimes is the first job because you literally
Speaker 2: are you know, you're living at home. Usually mom, you're
Speaker 2: not really contributing anything. Mom and Dad are paying for food.
Speaker 2: They're paying the mortgage on the house. It's probably not
Speaker 2: your car, or maybe that is. You got to pay
Speaker 2: for gas or insurance. Normally that money is pure profit
Speaker 2: for you. So you know, you go nuts, you learn
Speaker 2: how to manage money and that stuff. So the proposal
Speaker 2: was here at the state level and this passed had
Speaker 2: Senate Bill fifty that would allow teenagers to work until
Speaker 2: nine pm on school nights, as long as they had
Speaker 2: permission from their parents or legal guardians. And the law
Speaker 2: the way laws right now, if you're fourteen and fifteen,
Speaker 2: you are prohibited working past seven pm during the school year,
Speaker 2: during during school weekends or whatever. It's fine, but seven
Speaker 2: o'clock is the curfew for you. If you're a fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifty year old. Workplace and they said, well, why
Speaker 2: don't we make that nine o'clock? And you would think,
Speaker 2: I don't know why dwine vetoed this other than saying
Speaker 2: in the quote, is I believe it's unwise to bribe
Speaker 2: for fourteen and fifty year olds to work on a
Speaker 2: school night, that late at night. I see no compelling
Speaker 2: reason to deviate from current law. Someone from the Children's
Speaker 2: Defense Froent of Ohio said, but simply a children should
Speaker 2: not have to be the solution to adult problems. What
Speaker 2: the hell does that even mean? I know, the Fair
Speaker 2: Labor Standards Act prohibits fourteen and fifteen year olds from
Speaker 2: working before it's it's federal law before seven or after
Speaker 2: seven in school year seven am seven pm. And there's
Speaker 2: exemptions there too, annual revenues family businesses. But yeah, there's
Speaker 2: another thing too. You know, you see a lot of kids,
Speaker 2: especially the restaurants, mom and pop restaurants, ethnic restaurants, where
Speaker 2: the kids are there a table, you know, looking at
Speaker 2: their iPad or coloring or doing homework or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe taking the garbage out or doing some work,
Speaker 2: probably long before they're fourteen or fifty. Farmers another great
Speaker 2: example of that. But that's different, Like, well, all right,
Speaker 2: so this is just about urban kids, and I would
Speaker 2: look at this going well, Number one is, and this
Speaker 2: is where I deviate from Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4: Is that I believe you, as a parent, you have
Speaker 4: the right to screw up your kid.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not talking about it, you know, and we've
Speaker 2: criminalized some things that should be criminalized, quite honestly, Like
Speaker 2: if you decide that you know your kid wants to
Speaker 2: eventually it's and we have to have a minimum age
Speaker 2: for this obviously, but you know, you decide that you
Speaker 2: know your your son is probably wants to be a girl,
Speaker 2: or vice versa, or that seems like a parnal decision
Speaker 2: to me. Now I look at that and go, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not in their shoes. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a difficult thing to navigate, but I think most parents
Speaker 2: try to do brother kids and you know, having the
Speaker 2: state take that away or make a decision there, to me,
Speaker 2: that cuts to the core of what we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: and that is the nanny state. You can't be against
Speaker 2: the nanny state when it's someone else, when someone you
Speaker 2: disagree doing it, and for it when it's something else.
Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way. They just leaving the state
Speaker 4: out of it.
Speaker 2: Seems to work best parents always make not always, but
Speaker 2: parents make bad decisions from time to time. Of course,
Speaker 2: there are many parents who always make bad decisions. But
Speaker 2: in this case, I look at it going, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: if mom and dad are fine with your kid, with
Speaker 2: your fourteen year old working till nine o'clock, I mean
Speaker 2: it's not midnight, two am, the overnight shift. You're talking
Speaker 2: about nine pm. And if you're going to do this
Speaker 2: and go okay, fine, we're going to nanny state this,
Speaker 2: then should we not outlaw any student activities past nine pm.
Speaker 2: My nephew played sports and sometimes his practices didn't start
Speaker 2: till eight or nine o'clock at night because that's the
Speaker 2: only time they could get, you know, in case hockey
Speaker 2: ring space. And there are times where you you have
Speaker 2: that it's like well I can't or you know, you're
Speaker 2: working on you're in the gym, working on your free
Speaker 2: throws till seven, eight, nine o'clock at night. I mean,
Speaker 2: what if you in your driveway doing that, did the
Speaker 2: police come and arrest you because your kid is at
Speaker 2: nine oh one they're shooting free what thell's the difference
Speaker 2: gets you're still participating sports and extracurriculars at that time.
Speaker 2: If someone chooses to work some other and the other
Speaker 2: somehow they're being exploited.
Speaker 3: No, they're not.
Speaker 2: If mom and dad will say it's okay for you
Speaker 2: to work at fourteen or fifteen, that is none of
Speaker 2: the business. But anyway, but mom and dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: We've got a time out of We got news on
Speaker 2: the way in just minutes. We've got some political news
Speaker 2: going on here too. And history is always the best
Speaker 2: indicator of future behavior, especially are we in the new
Speaker 2: age of McCarthyism. Guests to talk about that next year
Speaker 2: in the scots Land Show seven hundred WWT Cincinnati, Do
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: To be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: He's got a flow shore here on seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 4: We have culture wars.
Speaker 2: We have free speech protests on campus, we have free
Speaker 2: speech safe spaces on campus. We have the erosion of
Speaker 2: political decorum. If you look at it, it looks like
Speaker 2: some I don't know, sometimes lawmakers and elected officials act
Speaker 2: like some third world types where they're throwing shoes at
Speaker 2: each other and flinging poo like monkeys. We have canceled culture,
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it's been bruined for quite some time.
Speaker 2: The question is are we living in a new era
Speaker 2: of McCarthy As a senator, Joe McCarthy goes back to
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties. It was called the Red Scare back then,
Speaker 2: if you remember from school, and it was basically going
Speaker 2: after communism, and there's a lot of feels a lot
Speaker 2: of people believe that we're going through the second era
Speaker 2: of this, although no one's really stood up to be
Speaker 2: the new Joe McCarthy. Clay Risen writes about this in
Speaker 2: Red Scare and joins the show now on seven hundred
Speaker 2: WW and Clay, welcome to the show. And it is
Speaker 2: an absolute fact that history almost always repeats itself, isn't
Speaker 2: that true?
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for having me, Scott. You know, when I
Speaker 7: sat down to write this book, I really wanted to
Speaker 7: write a book of history, and it is, but it
Speaker 7: turns out I was also writing current events in a
Speaker 7: way every day brings a new parallel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, some fifty plus sixty years later, we're
Speaker 2: doing this again. So for those of them have forgotten
Speaker 2: since grade school or college. Shoe McCarthy, a senator, from Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: I believe, rose to national prominence in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of political circumstances that allowed that
Speaker 2: to occur. You know, we had the Cold Wars post
Speaker 2: World War Two. Tensions with the US and Soviet Union
Speaker 2: escalated pretty rapidly immediately after the war. We're very afraid
Speaker 2: of communism and nuclear annihilation and espionage, and there were
Speaker 2: actual a bunch of real Soviet espionage cases that started
Speaker 2: in the nineteen forties and continued in the fifties. China
Speaker 2: fell to communism during that period of time as well,
Speaker 2: and there's an opportunity there, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I think one of the things
Speaker 7: that people need to keep in mind is there was
Speaker 7: a there there. I mean, as you point out, the
Speaker 7: threat from the Soviet Union in the Cold War was real,
Speaker 7: and the Communist Party in the United States were bad
Speaker 7: actors for the most part. And uh, you know, there
Speaker 7: really were Soviet spies in the US government, although most
Speaker 7: of them were gone and had you know, turned or
Speaker 7: stopped their work at the time the Red Scare started.
Speaker 7: But that's all true. But also it was an excuse
Speaker 7: in you know four people like McCarthy. But there were
Speaker 7: lots of others to take up this mantle, this this
Speaker 7: this tool and use it for opportunism, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: to advance their own careers, to go after political enemies,
Speaker 7: to make up political enemies. A lot of the people
Speaker 7: who suffered during the Red Scare had done nothing at
Speaker 7: all and were simply tarnished by guilt by association.
Speaker 3: And that ended.
Speaker 2: I think there's a congressional hearing and national television and
Speaker 2: McCarthy basically when I think ever for like Eisenhower called
Speaker 2: a communist or something.
Speaker 4: Like that's something crazy, like people like what.
Speaker 3: Someone else?
Speaker 7: No, No, it was well, Eisenhower was sort of behind
Speaker 7: the scenes that he never liked McCarthy, and Eisenhower didn't
Speaker 7: really buy into the Red Scare, although he uh, you know,
Speaker 7: did his fair share of of red bating, but he
Speaker 7: never thought that this was really a threat, and he
Speaker 7: saw McCarthy as a real problem for the country, but
Speaker 7: he was unwilling to really stand up and take him
Speaker 7: on directly. He didn't think that was becoming of a president,
Speaker 7: and so he sort of pulled strings to help arrange for,
Speaker 7: like you said, a hearing where it was actually a
Speaker 7: private sector lawyer who was hired. This is the this
Speaker 7: involved the army. It's a long story, but its lawyer
Speaker 7: Joe Welch, who himself kind of arranged almost an ambush.
Speaker 7: He was quite the actor, quite the courtroom officionado, and
Speaker 7: he arranged for a trap basically to make McCarthy uh
Speaker 7: lash out at a young staffer and he then said
Speaker 7: have you no decency at Long Leaps? Or He had
Speaker 7: this great speech that he unfinded on national television and
Speaker 7: people got to see sort of the ugly side of
Speaker 7: all this. Right, McCarthy was one thing in Prince People
Speaker 7: saw him on TV. And you're right that in a
Speaker 7: way not only undermined McCarthy, but undermined everything that the
Speaker 7: Red scare, that that ardent anti communists were going for.
Speaker 7: It really took a lot of wind out.
Speaker 3: Of the sales.
Speaker 7: But you know, yeah, it's a it's a very dramatic moment.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So that Clay, that's okay. So that's a history point
Speaker 2: of worry histing lesson. I feel like I should have
Speaker 2: a chalkboard out or something like that. But we were like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, okay, I remember this whole thing. That's the background.
Speaker 2: So how does that translate to today.
Speaker 7: Well, I think you know, a lot of the things
Speaker 7: that we see popping up today are you follow the
Speaker 7: same playbook, right, So, whether it's legislation that is still
Speaker 7: on the book, or whether it's just uh, you know,
Speaker 7: tactics that people in the administration or or in uh
Speaker 7: Congress or just out in the media are are using
Speaker 7: in terms of guilt by association, in terms of uh hyperbole,
Speaker 7: and you know, so they are echoes.
Speaker 3: But I also think that.
Speaker 2: Give me an example of that. What do you talk specifically?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I mean.
Speaker 7: I'll give you an example. You know, when we had
Speaker 7: the uh, the the scare around Haitian immigrants in Ohio, right,
Speaker 7: and you know, they're they're eating dogs or cats or whatever.
Speaker 7: And there was a point where, uh, you know, there's
Speaker 7: a point where Jade Vance as the time a senator said, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't matter whether what you know. He said,
Speaker 7: I I believe this. I'm saying that some people gave
Speaker 7: him proof that it wasn't true. He said, what doesn't
Speaker 7: matter whether what I say is true or not. That's
Speaker 7: up to you the media, to prove me wrong. And
Speaker 7: essentially he was saying exactly what McCarthy was doing, was saying,
Speaker 7: you know, fifty seventy years ago, saying, I'm going to
Speaker 7: throw a bunch of stuff out there, this incendiary and
Speaker 7: see what sticks. And if it doesn't, I'll say more
Speaker 7: stuff and and it's up to you public politicians, whatever
Speaker 7: to to figure it out. But you know, implicit in
Speaker 7: that is I'm gonna say whatever I want, truth be damned,
Speaker 7: and we'll see where it goes. Right, And that to me,
Speaker 7: one hundred percent McCarthy playbook it is.
Speaker 2: But I'll push back a little there living in Ohio
Speaker 2: and we're talking about town that is, you know, literally
Speaker 2: maybe thirty minutes from where I live right now, and
Speaker 2: I I agree with you up to that point. It
Speaker 2: certainly what you're saying is wait, what they're eating dogs?
Speaker 2: And what are we talking about over here? And it
Speaker 2: became a it became a joke, became a meme on
Speaker 2: social media. But that kind of like I'm gonna come here,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come to Ohio, We're gonna and it never
Speaker 2: happened number materialize because you know, they're on something else.
Speaker 2: Is typical and our short attention span theater. But McCarthy
Speaker 2: would continue to bang the drum over the people over
Speaker 2: particular people he thought he had agendiicans in conjunction, by
Speaker 2: the way, with Jay Edgar Hoover, where the FBI had
Speaker 2: total autonomy to do whatever the hell they want. I mean,
Speaker 2: you want to talk about an era of time in
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties, and even in the seventies
Speaker 2: where the FBI and or Hoover had incredible power, every
Speaker 2: unconstitutional power to investigate and bill dossiers and use that.
Speaker 2: Hoover used that as like a personal weapon against people
Speaker 2: he didn't like or for his allies as well. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say, similar to the Haitian argument, we're seeing
Speaker 2: that play out with Somalis in the attack on the
Speaker 2: soldiers in DC.
Speaker 4: But it's too early to tell.
Speaker 2: If you if the FBI's involved, they start making this
Speaker 2: huge case against the month, I think that would be
Speaker 2: a valid point, But I don't think the Springfield one works.
Speaker 7: No, that's true, And you know it's interesting to think about, well,
Speaker 7: what was worse than what's worse now? And I think, yes,
Speaker 7: the FBI. We'll see, the FBI at the moment is
Speaker 7: much more constrained than it was back then, and we
Speaker 7: don't have a Hoover, who has really unchecked power.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 7: There are a lot of things that come out of
Speaker 7: the Red Scare that I want to say are sort
Speaker 7: of good in the sense that we had a better
Speaker 7: awareness of the risks to civil liberty and you know,
Speaker 7: the need for strong defense of freedom, speech, freedom of association.
Speaker 7: And you know, so back then you didn't have organizations
Speaker 7: that would stand up on behalf of people who were targeted.
Speaker 7: They were basically on their own. And it's one of
Speaker 7: the really harrowing parts of that story. Today, someone gets
Speaker 7: targeted by the media or by Ice or by Justice Department,
Speaker 7: and there are armies of lawyers who will stand up
Speaker 7: for them, and so that good, and we'll see how
Speaker 7: that plays out. But at the very least, you say, well,
Speaker 7: the annibodies from the Red Scare are also activated. And
Speaker 7: I think that's an important metaphor to keep in mind.
Speaker 2: Got Clay Risen is here books called Red Scare, and
Speaker 2: it starts with McCarthyism in the nineteen fifties, of course,
Speaker 2: and post World War two anxiety and the Soviets and
Speaker 2: the fall of China, the communism, the Big Red Scare,
Speaker 2: and how Senator McCarthy of Wisconsin used that to go
Speaker 2: after people he had an agenda against, and it got
Speaker 2: way out of control but ended in short period and
Speaker 2: were as premises we're going to do. We're kind of
Speaker 2: doing that again right now in this era when it
Speaker 2: comes to McCarthyism and blacklists and stuff like that. So okay,
Speaker 2: so this is all driven by the fear of and
Speaker 2: it came on rather quickly because we had lot of
Speaker 2: people coming back to americ who fought in the war
Speaker 2: World War two, and now you're seeing our ally turn
Speaker 2: into our enemy. Kind of similar today to what we're saying.
Speaker 2: Maybe kind of the inverse is true with Russia under
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, But what's the communist threat? So it's communism
Speaker 2: isn't really the threat because okay, we're trying to repair
Speaker 2: things with Russia. The greater enemy, and I agree with
Speaker 2: Trump on this one, is China. They're in for the
Speaker 2: long play and you look at all the from intellectual
Speaker 2: property theft and everything else they're doing. It's a long,
Speaker 2: slow boil for China. They really are the greater threat,
Speaker 2: I think to our way of life than Russia is
Speaker 2: because Russia can come along. You may disagree with that,
Speaker 2: but we're not battling communism anymore. It might be socialism.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty soon about that recent elections, but it's certainly
Speaker 2: not communism.
Speaker 4: What are we fighting?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think today and again, you know, no Mark
Speaker 7: Twain said, you know, history doesn't repeat itself, but it
Speaker 7: does rhyme, right, Yeah, and so things are similar, but
Speaker 7: there are important differences. You always want to keep that
Speaker 7: in mind. So, you know, today, I think it's less
Speaker 7: about an X in terms of the way people are
Speaker 7: constructing the quote unquote threat. It's less about a foreign
Speaker 7: threat another country. It's more about a you know what
Speaker 7: Trump calls, you know, the radical left, the dei left,
Speaker 7: the woke left, all of this, and it's a fairly expansive,
Speaker 7: vague term, right, So I'm kind of anybody who's sort
Speaker 7: of Trump's enemy, I think would end up falling under this.
Speaker 7: And and it's hard to put a finger on what
Speaker 7: that is. But back in the forties and fifties, what
Speaker 7: was communism? People didn't actually know on a nay to
Speaker 7: day basis what it meant to be a communist, And
Speaker 7: so if you were a civil rights advocate, you would
Speaker 7: be called a communist, right right, So so all of
Speaker 7: these are just terms that are useful to.
Speaker 3: Go after enemies.
Speaker 7: So that's why that's why I think we're seeing in
Speaker 7: terms of the parallels. And you know, you see that
Speaker 7: in education and the way that we talk about education
Speaker 7: today and the threat of DEI and woke schools and whatnot,
Speaker 7: and that's that's that's very similar to the way people
Speaker 7: talked about communist teachers and radical left teachers in the
Speaker 7: teen forties and fifties.
Speaker 2: Okay, but let me wrap clay. But the different is
Speaker 2: we had a foreign adversary then. It was us against them.
Speaker 2: It was good versus evil. It was the United States
Speaker 2: against Russia and atomic warfare and all this stuff. We're
Speaker 2: talking about internal fighting and against you know, the Fall
Speaker 2: of Rome. We can get back to that too. Let's
Speaker 2: face it was a real at the time. You know
Speaker 2: who started this. Actually, we wouldn't have this opposition, and
Speaker 2: I agree with it. It's absurd to times, the Haitian
Speaker 2: immigrant things and some of the other stuff. It's just
Speaker 2: absurd as what it is. But the reaction is to
Speaker 2: what liberals did years ago. I mean, it seems like
Speaker 2: it's a generation ago, but we had cancel culture, right,
Speaker 2: and you know, you transgress these loosely defined and ever
Speaker 2: changing line. No one knows who the line is anymore.
Speaker 2: And what I said when I was fifteen years old
Speaker 2: on Twitter now comes back to haunt me when I'm
Speaker 2: you know, twenty seven years old or something like that.
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle gets killed and canceled because he makes remarks
Speaker 2: about transsexuals, and that was only four years ago. Kevin Heart,
Speaker 2: same thing, what be Goldberg? And long time ago, back
Speaker 2: in the old days, Senator Al Franken had a picture
Speaker 2: of him looking kind of woman. He got thrown out
Speaker 2: of Senate by liberals. So and then you know, this
Speaker 2: started to take root in schools, and so this is
Speaker 2: the reaction to the I guess what you could call
Speaker 2: is the overreactive left.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you're right, And again going back to
Speaker 7: what we talked about with communism, there was a there
Speaker 7: there right in the sense that not just there was
Speaker 7: a Communist threat for not just the Soviet Union as
Speaker 7: a military threat, but domestically, you know, we had there
Speaker 7: were spy the Communist Party took money from Russia and
Speaker 7: did its bidding in the United States, and so you know,
Speaker 7: were those threats not really I mean, Rosenberg's are a
Speaker 7: special case, but generally these five are not very effective.
Speaker 7: You know, it was blown out of a proportion, and
Speaker 7: I think that that you have that today too. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And that's my perspective, right, is that, yes, absolutely, there
Speaker 7: are lots of excesses and criticisms about the I culture,
Speaker 7: cancel culture or whatever you know that I know exactly,
Speaker 7: and I'm sympathetic to that. But what we're seeing now
Speaker 7: I think is a blowing out of proportion and a
Speaker 7: using of that as an excuse to go after people
Speaker 7: who an ideas that have nothing to do with that,
Speaker 7: you know. So, so I think we're seeing a rollback
Speaker 7: of civil rights protections that have been around since the
Speaker 7: fifties and sixties under the pretense that those are suddenly
Speaker 7: now part of woe culture and they're not.
Speaker 4: But I think it's a fair and I think it's
Speaker 4: a fair allegation.
Speaker 2: I think mainly as we have government, and this is true,
Speaker 2: completely have lost touch with the electorate, you know, and
Speaker 2: we look at how Joe Biden, Kamala Harris lost and
Speaker 2: that is the humors that they exhibit. Exhibitors, well, people
Speaker 2: that listen to my show, people live in our area, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, we're in trouble here economically speaking, or
Speaker 2: maxim on our credit cards. I can't find a house.
Speaker 2: I can't and we're worried about this, this feel good,
Speaker 2: these field good policies that led to the Trump movement
Speaker 2: for the second time, going okay, we're gonna go back
Speaker 2: to the other guy now, like rats on a sinking ship.
Speaker 2: We just keep jumping back and forth. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're going to see a two term president anytime soon.
Speaker 2: Quite honestly, we'll see tech Trump. You know, technically Trump is,
Speaker 2: but it's like, okay, of lesser evil you're in and
Speaker 2: that's kind of and it feels like me, that's what
Speaker 2: like democrats are doing now, going well, okay, well, way
Speaker 2: for Trump to mess up, and then we'll get the
Speaker 2: NOD and we'll come and screw it up and we'll
Speaker 2: just play back and forth. And meanwhile the rest of
Speaker 2: the country sinking, I mean stock markets and he falling
Speaker 2: apart right now. It's like, we need some damn leadership,
Speaker 2: is what we need.
Speaker 3: Clay, Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 7: And it reminds me a little bit of you know,
Speaker 7: I read a book about you back in the day
Speaker 7: and it reminds me a little bit of the late
Speaker 7: nineteenth century, when you know, we went we had a
Speaker 7: bunch of one term presidents now for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 7: but we did, and the full actorate was all over
Speaker 7: the place, and we had some real economic challenges. And
Speaker 7: Theodore Roosevelt comes along and you know, represented new type
Speaker 7: of leadership and you know, had his enemies, of course,
Speaker 7: but was also immensely popular because he understood what the
Speaker 7: country needed. He understood the country needed a different type
Speaker 7: of leadership. And you know, I think really reset what
Speaker 7: it meant to be president, what it meant to have
Speaker 7: a federal government. I mean, I think, you know, I'm
Speaker 7: a partisan and biased, but I think Roosevelt was one
Speaker 7: of our you know, top five best presidents ever. And
Speaker 7: that's why, because understood America needed good leadership. And so
Speaker 7: I think something, you know, I don't want to say
Speaker 7: exactly what this would look like, but we need a
Speaker 7: new Theatore Roosevelt. Now, you know, he needs someone who
Speaker 7: can come along and say, look, I understand what I
Speaker 7: understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. There's
Speaker 7: a through line and there's a solution but it's going
Speaker 7: to be different from what we've done in the past.
Speaker 7: And you know, I think we're going to keep looking
Speaker 7: for that person until until they come along.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt my all time favorite president because he was
Speaker 2: he's the guy that stepped and said, look, you know
Speaker 2: what we can today get killed for, you know, protecting
Speaker 2: national parks and some of the what liberals do.
Speaker 7: He did.
Speaker 2: But you know he'd come in and say, look, he
Speaker 2: told he said, listen, you know, we want business succeed
Speaker 2: and thrive, but we're going to crack down on the
Speaker 2: barons basically and make where the rules are going to
Speaker 2: play equal to everybody, which is kind of what we
Speaker 2: need in America. Boom under under tr And not only that,
Speaker 2: he's a tough son of a bitch because he got
Speaker 2: shot and still gave a speech said here, hold my bear,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk for a couple hours.
Speaker 7: So that was.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, one of the greatest moments in American history. That's
Speaker 2: a real tough guy right there. Hey, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: have to tell you about the Battle of you right
Speaker 2: up San Juan Hill and everything else. Clay Rising scread
Speaker 2: Scare blacklist, McCarthy's in the making of modern America. History
Speaker 2: is repeating itself. I kind of agree with that. Clay
Speaker 2: all the best, thanks for joining the show. All I think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we had the de EI nonsense come in
Speaker 2: and went way overboard. Inclusion is fine, but the extremes
Speaker 2: that they went and then the way they absolutely persecuted
Speaker 2: people who went against the tide of problematic. But now
Speaker 2: we're kind of seeing that somewhat with Republicans and conservatives
Speaker 2: that you know, used to be the liberal snowflakes and
Speaker 2: the snowflag. I know there's a lot of snowflaky stuff
Speaker 2: that conservatives are doing now. So I think it's the
Speaker 2: you know, the people in charge me a change, but
Speaker 2: that same ideology is there, and I don't know, I
Speaker 2: think that's necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: We got a news update run a little bit late.
Speaker 2: I's always hear Scotslane back in about seven here right
Speaker 2: after a traffic and weather update seven hundred WLW Scott
Speaker 2: Flung Show on seven hundred w LW Thursday morning, we
Speaker 2: have Sanjay Shiva Carimani in. He's an emergency medicine position
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, at Dine Well Dock and we do
Speaker 2: the same went on Thursdays. Now we're healthing, food and
Speaker 2: fitness kind of all come together and collide in this
Speaker 2: time of year. Your challenge because you're getting really really
Speaker 2: good food necessarily good for you. Uh, probably not maybe
Speaker 2: getting as much exercise, but if you do, it's gonna
Speaker 2: involve shoveling the white stuff on top of icy sidewalks
Speaker 2: and streets. So what could possibly go wrong with that equation? Sanja?
Speaker 4: How you been brother?
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I shovel snow. I haven't fallen broken
Speaker 2: a hip or anything along those lines. But there's always
Speaker 2: next snowfall. There's always next time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we can only hope, right, I'm just kidding. I mean,
Speaker 8: it is a it is an interesting time in the
Speaker 8: emergency department when it comes to the winter weather.
Speaker 4: Do you see a lot of hypothermia cases?
Speaker 8: You know, we don't see that many, fortunately. I think
Speaker 8: a lot of people know what to do. I think,
Speaker 8: you know, we do see some every year, though, and
Speaker 8: that's it's a it's a problem when it happened.
Speaker 3: You see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're not to that bitter part. That'll
Speaker 2: be January Februey, Right, it would take a lot to
Speaker 2: do that right now. Not necessarily, it's not true, but
Speaker 2: you tend to see it. Do you not see it
Speaker 2: more in older people younger people, doesn't matter a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of both.
Speaker 8: It's it's definitely an older they're more at risk. Could
Speaker 8: just have a harder time kind of keeping the body
Speaker 8: temperature up, and you know, their skin is thinner and
Speaker 8: so they're exposed to the elements more. But you know,
Speaker 8: it's not just necessarily January or February. I mean even
Speaker 8: at this time, because of the sudden drops in temperature,
Speaker 8: people get you know, caught by surprise, and then they
Speaker 8: can even fall this in the hypothermia. Now, so it's
Speaker 8: always good to be vigilant and dress some layers. There's
Speaker 8: our always told us to do and we never did.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it was like me, I realized, you know, because
Speaker 2: we had just moved and I have I think I
Speaker 2: had my winter coat still in the box.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know where any of the stuff
Speaker 4: I got a very who I have been a patient.
Speaker 2: At them, but I know, like the first one of
Speaker 2: the first indications would be disorientation.
Speaker 8: Right, It's well, I mean disorientation will actually come fairly late.
Speaker 8: And the reason is our body tries to protect our brain,
Speaker 8: and so you know, it'll do everything it can to
Speaker 8: keep your brain intact. And then you know, by the
Speaker 8: time you get to disorientation, you're you're pretty far down
Speaker 8: the way, and so before you get there, you really
Speaker 8: want to, you know, focus on what else could be
Speaker 8: going on, Like, am I one? You know it sounds simple,
Speaker 8: but am I feeling cold? And if you're feeling cold,
Speaker 8: find ways to warm up, whether it be going inside
Speaker 8: if you can, or get another layer, but certainly removing
Speaker 8: yourself from the elements that that first sign of, you know,
Speaker 8: even just feeling a little colder than normal, or maybe
Speaker 8: your fingertips are or facet are getting numb, and that's
Speaker 8: the it's kind of one of the first warning signs
Speaker 8: before your brain starts to go.
Speaker 2: Say that's just me, though, I wait until I'm disoriented
Speaker 2: til I go well, I probably should go in.
Speaker 8: And that's what keeps me in business, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you know, I'm used to the call. It's fine.
Speaker 2: Does your body over time do you acclimate to the
Speaker 2: climate in which you reside. Let's say I don't know,
Speaker 2: if you live in northern Canada, let's say, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you move to Florida, are you
Speaker 2: gonna know that?
Speaker 4: And vice versa? Does it take it? Does your body acclimate?
Speaker 8: Your body does acclimate somewhat. I mean, but you also
Speaker 8: you're in your mind acclimates a little too, and you
Speaker 8: just know what to expect. I think, you know, living
Speaker 8: in a place where we were just what seventy degrees
Speaker 8: just a few weeks ago, right, we get thrown off
Speaker 8: a little bit, and it's harder to be prepared.
Speaker 3: Kind of year round.
Speaker 8: And you know, when you're always in the cold, you
Speaker 8: know what to expect, You're you're ready for it. And
Speaker 8: so we are at risk here in Cincinnati of being
Speaker 8: caught eye surprise and you know, ending up in the
Speaker 8: emergency department.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it more dangerous? Is he a dangerous and cold?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: They both have their risk. I think heat is harder,
Speaker 8: you know, it's oftentimes harder to get away from the heat.
Speaker 8: It's easier to layer up oftentimes. We definitely, I definitely
Speaker 8: in my career have seen much more heat exhaustion, heat
Speaker 8: stroke than I have. Cold weather injuries and cold you know,
Speaker 8: the cold exposure problem.
Speaker 2: Right, But I would say because you're you know, grew
Speaker 2: up in Boston, if that would probably reverse if you're in.
Speaker 3: Massachusetts oftentimes, I mean, but.
Speaker 4: Well, we lost you, is there me from Boston?
Speaker 8: You know, we're not used to it. And when you're
Speaker 8: not used to something, that's when you're caughty surprised. It's
Speaker 8: best to be prepared.
Speaker 2: Now, it makes sense. How cold is too cold to
Speaker 2: exercise out. I'm gonna exclude shoveling and that kind. We'll
Speaker 2: get to that in a second. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: you'll see people out there while I'm still training for
Speaker 2: the Flying Pig coming up in the spring, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna run when it's you know, twenty degrees blows air.
Speaker 2: Is that that smart?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: It's a tough one because it does vary by age conditioning.
Speaker 8: You know, if you're if you are, you know, a
Speaker 8: pretty healthy person who runs a lot. Is this weather optimal?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Is it a good idea? Probably? Still not?
Speaker 8: But really you know, they've they've actually done some studies
Speaker 8: on blood pressure alone, and so like your blood pressure
Speaker 8: will raise when you're outside in cold weather, even just
Speaker 8: that fifty five degrees, So fifty five degrees outside your
Speaker 8: blood pressure will start to rise after about fifteen minutes
Speaker 8: of being in that kind of weather. So now that
Speaker 8: we're in the thirties, you can imagine your blood pressure
Speaker 8: will go much higher, much quicker, and so there are
Speaker 8: a lot of factors there. But at the end of
Speaker 8: the day, it's about being smart.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: Do I exercise outside in this no other than shoveling.
Speaker 8: I'd rather be inside of my gym and be in
Speaker 8: the comfort of that and staying warm.
Speaker 2: I yeah, when I was in my twenties, was running
Speaker 2: outside in pretty cold weather and wound up developing bronx
Speaker 2: of your bonchitis and the like. I don't know if
Speaker 2: directly from the running, but it screwed my lungs up
Speaker 2: for a while. So I'm pretty aware of being out
Speaker 2: in you know, getting my blood pressure and heart rate
Speaker 2: rate when it's was very cold out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And so you know, it's partly that getting cold
Speaker 8: air into your lungs will make them go into spasm
Speaker 8: a little bit. So if you have asthma, COPD and phasma,
Speaker 8: you really want to be careful out there. But in general,
Speaker 8: just being exposed to the cold, you know, like our
Speaker 8: mom would always say, you know you'll get you'll catch
Speaker 8: a cold, and I'd be like, Mom, I went to
Speaker 8: med school, Like that's not true. It's kind of true.
Speaker 3: So Mom was right.
Speaker 8: The thing being is that the cold will impact your
Speaker 8: immune system and that makes you more susceptible to getting cold.
Speaker 8: So you know, if you won't get a virus from
Speaker 8: the outsides, but your immune system will be damaged by
Speaker 8: the exposure to cold.
Speaker 3: So you also want to be careful with that.
Speaker 2: So if you're cold and your body's fighting it, and
Speaker 2: then you go and you're exposed to infection, then you're
Speaker 2: more likely to get is what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying exactly exactly right?
Speaker 2: Because immune system is because my mom would when she
Speaker 2: was alive, she there'd be like times I went out
Speaker 2: with a hat the previous winner and the following winner.
Speaker 2: I get sick and she says, because you went out
Speaker 2: last year a hat on. Yeah, okay, it's a twelve
Speaker 2: month carryover the sickness. She just holds that. She would
Speaker 2: hold that card and play it against you. Is it
Speaker 2: true we see a lot more heart attacks in the
Speaker 2: winter because people out there shoveling. Is or is that
Speaker 2: more of a lifetial?
Speaker 3: It's actually true and the reason is a couple folds.
Speaker 8: So what being outside in the cold does in the
Speaker 8: first place is actually makes your blood vessels shrink down.
Speaker 8: It makes them tight, which increases your blood pressure. So
Speaker 8: already you're setting yourself up for something, and then snow
Speaker 8: shoveling is actually one of the hardest activities we can do.
Speaker 8: Sometimes it doesn't feel like much, but you put a
Speaker 8: lot of strain on your heart. Within two minutes you're
Speaker 8: at you know, like eighty five percent of your maximal
Speaker 8: heart rate, and so it's heavy exercise. You're out in
Speaker 8: the cold, and then the cold interestingly, and we all
Speaker 8: get into the details, but it makes your blood thicker,
Speaker 8: for lack of a better term, and so you're more
Speaker 8: likely to have heart attacks when it's cold outside, especially
Speaker 8: in the cold snow like four days or so, which
Speaker 8: is one of a British studies showed that the heart
Speaker 8: attacks and strokes go up after a four day cold snap.
Speaker 8: And that's that's the reason why.
Speaker 2: It's because that extra strength doesn't seem like much of
Speaker 2: my wad that nice light, fluffy snow this week went
Speaker 2: out and shoveled the driveway and you know, it didn't
Speaker 2: feel like now they're really heavy stuff. It's a different
Speaker 2: story maybe or maybe you get a snowblower. I guess
Speaker 2: if you're not used to exercise, you know, that's the
Speaker 2: thing you got all of a sudden, you throw yourself into,
Speaker 2: you know, the mechanics of lifting, and your body's fighting
Speaker 2: the cold.
Speaker 4: You definitely could set yourself up for troubler exactly.
Speaker 8: Like it's a kind of silent exercise, and I mean
Speaker 8: I love it for that reason, being barely in shape myself.
Speaker 8: Is that the snow can actually add up pretty quickly.
Speaker 8: Seven to eight you know inches, is like twenty five
Speaker 8: pounds each time you shovel. And so you're doing that work,
Speaker 8: You're twisting around, you're using your core, you're using your legs,
Speaker 8: and it ends up being a pretty big strain on
Speaker 8: the body. I think you burn more than five hundred
Speaker 8: calories an hour of shoveling, and so it's a pretty
Speaker 8: significant exercise, we're all. But it does lead to that strain.
Speaker 8: So it's got it's good and positives, but it's also
Speaker 8: got its cons for that reason too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, interesting son Jay Ashaver comandi on the show.
Speaker 2: He's our resident physician and health expert, health and fitness.
Speaker 2: We talked that and died and everything on Thursday mornings
Speaker 2: in the Scott Slone Show. Here on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 2: we're talking about the cold weather because welcome to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: It's seventy one day. The next day it's snow. When
Speaker 2: we got five and a half inches of snow. That's
Speaker 2: how we roll here. Next thing, No, you'll blink your
Speaker 2: eyes will be opening day and summer again, the two
Speaker 2: seasons of six.
Speaker 4: We're always on our toes, all right.
Speaker 2: So y'are shoveling? When should you stop? If you're feeling
Speaker 2: a little faint, you don't want to kind of plow
Speaker 2: through that?
Speaker 4: What typically? What is your when's your body telling you stop?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: The best best treatment is actually a first prevention. So
Speaker 8: you know, when you're shoveling again, it is a pretty
Speaker 8: big strain on your body, so stop before the symptoms
Speaker 8: even start. Ten every ten to fifteen minutes, take a
Speaker 8: little rest. And that's how That's how I like to
Speaker 8: do most things in Lifeblone. You know, I'm on a
Speaker 8: hike and I'll just stare at a tree for a
Speaker 8: while and people are like, are you resting? I'm like, no,
Speaker 8: I'm enjoying nature, Yes, exactly, you want to really enjoy
Speaker 8: the experience. But yeah, every ten to fifteen minutes, take
Speaker 8: a break, take a breather, go inside, you know, warm
Speaker 8: up if you need to, or just sit there and
Speaker 8: admire the work you're doing. But start with prevention first,
Speaker 8: and then you know, look out for signs if you know,
Speaker 8: even if you're having a little you know, people think
Speaker 8: heart attacks feel like chest pain and if they're not
Speaker 8: like dying in agony, that they're okay. And and the
Speaker 8: truth is one, heart attacks present in a lot of ways,
Speaker 8: but the most common reason heart attacks present, especially in males,
Speaker 8: is pressure in the chest, not pain. And so they'll
Speaker 8: be like, oh, yeah, it's not much. It's just a
Speaker 8: little bit of tightness in my chest. That's not my heart.
Speaker 8: And the truth is that more likely is is your heart.
Speaker 8: So if you start having any chest pressure, trouble breathing, nausea, sweat,
Speaker 8: anything like that, it's time to definitely go inside and
Speaker 8: not get checked out.
Speaker 4: I'll tell it's scarce.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're like your work out, you're truly
Speaker 2: trying to or getting back into it at high recent
Speaker 2: was you push it? You know, and get your heart
Speaker 2: right up pretty high, you start to have a little
Speaker 2: bit of arrhythmia going on there.
Speaker 4: That's always pretty scary.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, even just a few extra beats that
Speaker 8: maybe your heart's signaling to you that it's time to
Speaker 8: slow down. That could be getting you know, too much exercise,
Speaker 8: or also pumping against blood pressure that's too high. So
Speaker 8: there's a lot of things that could be causing that.
Speaker 8: But once you feel any way different, it's a good
Speaker 8: time to be in tuned with your body. If you
Speaker 8: feel different, it's time to just shut it down, you know,
Speaker 8: take stock and decide.
Speaker 3: Where to go from there.
Speaker 2: All right, we have not yet talked about what happens
Speaker 2: when foot meets ice and you usually see a lot
Speaker 2: of wrist, knee, hip injuries. Is that what we're talking about.
Speaker 8: You nailed most of them. It's rist and hip, it's
Speaker 8: not head. The thing is that, you know, I worked
Speaker 8: on the morning of the storm, and people don't come
Speaker 8: in then because they know it's snowing. They're going to
Speaker 8: stay inside and if they go outside, they're going to
Speaker 8: be careful. The problem is actually the day after. That's
Speaker 8: what I've experienced in my career, and that's what we're
Speaker 8: experiencing right now. Mornings after you know, there's black ice
Speaker 8: that's formed because it's kind of melted through the day
Speaker 8: and then that freezes overnight, and that's when people are slipping, falling,
Speaker 8: going boom and coming to me with hips are the
Speaker 8: are the biggest victim, and then you know your ankles
Speaker 8: and heads as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's pretty scary. You fall down, it's
Speaker 2: always okay, Yeah, I think I'm okay the next day
Speaker 2: to three to five days, depending on how of you are.
Speaker 4: It's always like, oh my god, I feel terrible.
Speaker 2: I to buy a bus. When should I get medical
Speaker 2: help if I after an injury? I mean when when
Speaker 2: do I know?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 4: When do I come see you?
Speaker 8: You know, it definitely differs on your your chromobility, So
Speaker 8: what other medical conditions you have. You know, if you're
Speaker 8: hitting your head and you're un blooded, or you're coming
Speaker 8: straight to me, you know, anything that prevents you from
Speaker 8: putting weight on a leg is definitely a reason to
Speaker 8: come in. But if things are lasting longer than you
Speaker 8: would expect them to, or if you have any concerns,
Speaker 8: it's either time to call your doctor or just come
Speaker 8: in and get checked. We you know, we can get
Speaker 8: you in and out pretty quick, especially if you're concerned
Speaker 8: about a broken bone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I generally you kind of know because you can't move
Speaker 2: it that my swelling is different. But you know, broken
Speaker 2: bone a little bit, a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, if you know, if you have a compound fracture,
Speaker 2: it's sticking through your skin, AT's a that's a different story.
Speaker 2: Entiro that you'd be pretty stupid to sit there and go,
Speaker 2: I think it'll be all right, this will be okay.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, second man, I'll be good.
Speaker 8: It's pretty little index on it.
Speaker 3: You'll be fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just not used to the ice and the
Speaker 4: snow and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And as you get older too, it's awfully, it's more
Speaker 2: more difficult to keep your balance and you're more probably
Speaker 2: more likely to get injured.
Speaker 4: You just don't recover.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like you know, you watch a a four
Speaker 2: year old on the ice, they fall down, they cry
Speaker 2: for thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: There, fine, you do that.
Speaker 2: You're on the sideline for two weeks exactly.
Speaker 8: And actually you underline one of my main things is
Speaker 8: why I you know, try to stay fit which is
Speaker 8: keeping balance and so that that equates to strength training
Speaker 8: and the legs that also equates to like balance training
Speaker 8: with yoga. But all of those things prevent you from
Speaker 8: falling or if you fall, helping you get back up
Speaker 8: because as we know in the elderly, falls are one
Speaker 8: of the main reasons for eventual death unfortunately. And so
Speaker 8: you know, staying upright as much as you can, doing
Speaker 8: the things that build your legs up and your balance
Speaker 8: up could be some of the most important things to
Speaker 8: you know, extend your life spam you know.
Speaker 2: In additionally, our physician here on the show also you
Speaker 2: are a health guy and a gym on a gym,
Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting. I in some of my
Speaker 2: ill last few years, I've seen more more people do this,
Speaker 2: and it'd be the test to see just how flexible
Speaker 2: you are at any age. And that is getting up
Speaker 2: off the floor without using your hands.
Speaker 4: Can explain that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know that equates to those things we
Speaker 8: were just talking about, which is the legs or the
Speaker 8: lower extremities, what their strength is like, but also your balance.
Speaker 3: So you need both of.
Speaker 8: Those and a strong core to be able to get
Speaker 8: off the ground. So you know, I was actually watching
Speaker 8: Did you watch that Blue Zones special on Netflix?
Speaker 4: I did not know?
Speaker 3: Was that? Okay?
Speaker 8: So it was basically this special as a series or
Speaker 8: a documentary about these blue zones where people throughout the
Speaker 8: world live longer in certain areas. And one of the
Speaker 8: things that they were looking at was that, well, the
Speaker 8: main thing they were looking at is what are the
Speaker 8: factors that lead to a longer life in these blue
Speaker 8: zones where people are living longer than average. And one
Speaker 8: of the things was actually people getting up from the floor.
Speaker 8: So in Japan, that's what they do. They sit down
Speaker 8: for dinner and they get up the same thing. And
Speaker 8: there's a town in Italy where people just walk up
Speaker 8: and down hills all day. And you know, they don't
Speaker 8: do any formal strength training. They're not across fit or anything,
Speaker 8: but they are they're strong in their legs and that
Speaker 8: keeps them upright. And so it's one of the most
Speaker 8: important things is keeping your leg strength and your stability
Speaker 8: so you're not falling. It's correlated with the longer and
Speaker 8: higher quality of the life.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: I know one of the you know, one of the
Speaker 2: classic exercises that's like anything's it's a fad it comes
Speaker 2: back is the Turkish get up. And what you do
Speaker 2: is you lay on your bed. You start laying on
Speaker 2: your bag. You hold a kettle ball over your head
Speaker 2: with one arm and you lock your arm throughout the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And then you bend your knee on the
Speaker 2: same side as a kettlebell, and then you roll up
Speaker 2: on your opposite elbow. You push up to your hand,
Speaker 2: you bridge your heads up, you sweep your legs out,
Speaker 2: you stand up, or you just push the ken ball
Speaker 2: of your head and the kettlebell falls back down and
Speaker 2: cractioning this call and you go to sleep. There are
Speaker 2: two outcomes with that, and generally the second one is
Speaker 2: the one I do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is one of the hardest things I had
Speaker 8: to learn, Like, yeah, you just named twenty of the
Speaker 8: seventy three steps to do a Turkish get up, but yeah,
Speaker 8: they are worth it. They work everything in your body
Speaker 8: and again, yeah, it gets that coordination and strength down well.
Speaker 2: But you can do it without the kettlebell too. You know,
Speaker 2: you need somebody does it with a fifty pound kettle ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, you should probably have your own TV show
Speaker 2: if you can do that. But I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 2: some people in your gym that can. I'm fascinated about
Speaker 2: the whole process. It's awfully difficult to do. The older
Speaker 2: you get, the harder it is, oh for sure.
Speaker 8: But you know again, like you just pointed out, you
Speaker 8: don't need the way. Our body weight is plenty for
Speaker 8: a lot of exercises, especially if you're doing it slowly
Speaker 8: and deliberately. Your body weight can you know, serve as
Speaker 8: a great weight for you, especially me. After the holidays,
Speaker 8: there's extra bodyweight there to work out, So thanks, thanks
Speaker 8: for all the dinners.
Speaker 2: He's got to burn off that extra three or four
Speaker 2: pecan pies, not slices, entire pies. Sevcamanti are a physician, fitness,
Speaker 2: diet exercise guy here in the scott Slone. She pops
Speaker 2: on Thursday morning, just a left way. I know this
Speaker 2: is just the startup of the winter season, but keep
Speaker 2: all that influence the back of your head and hopefully
Speaker 2: you'll be around to hear the show next year.
Speaker 4: Hey man, I appreciate it. We'll check out next week.
Speaker 4: Did your brother have a good one?
Speaker 8: Sounds gracelan you too?
Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 2: We are seeing within the Republican Party Mike Johnson, Speaker
Speaker 2: Johnson has grasped on the gap looks not quite as
Speaker 2: strong as it used to be. Number of women factor
Speaker 2: challenging him. Tennessee just had that election. We're Republican won
Speaker 2: by nine points. But the problem is that Trump carried
Speaker 2: that just a year ago by twenty two points. Number
Speaker 2: of lawmakers are stepping down. Marjorie Taylor Green an example
Speaker 2: of that too. So not all well in the GOP.
Speaker 2: So you're a lot the Democratic brought the GOP as well.
Speaker 2: There's a riff there. And you know, we just came
Speaker 2: off an election night last month. We had a string
Speaker 2: of GOP underperformances in this off year election. So now
Speaker 2: you've got Trump activist saying we need more MAGA, not
Speaker 2: less MAGA. As a solution of this, a new poll
Speaker 2: has come out commissioned by our friends of the Manhattan
Speaker 2: Institute that shows the deep cracks within the GOP coalition.
Speaker 2: You've got what's called a cohesive corps and a less
Speaker 2: stable outer ring. I love less stable stuff because it
Speaker 2: means there's action going on here. Jesse arm with Manhattan,
Speaker 2: How are.
Speaker 3: You great to be with you? Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it. Kind of long set up there, but
Speaker 2: we've got lots going on. And the thing that jumped
Speaker 2: out to me about this was that almost a third
Speaker 2: of current Trump and GOP voters are what you call
Speaker 2: new entrant Republicans who may have voted Democratic as recently
Speaker 2: as twenty six year, maybe even twenty twenty for that man,
Speaker 2: what's surprised you most about that particular group when you
Speaker 2: started looking at the data.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's the bottom line.
Speaker 7: We were very curious because there's been so much talk
Speaker 7: in recent weeks about what is the American right, what
Speaker 7: are the fractures within today's GOP, what does it mean
Speaker 7: to be MAGA, and is this President Trump's winning coalition
Speaker 7: from twenty twenty four capable of remaining intact once the
Speaker 7: president exits the stage. So what we did was we
Speaker 7: went out and we asked nearly three thousand voters nationally,
Speaker 7: the vast majority of which we're Republican. We had a
Speaker 7: few Democrats in there for comparative purposes, and then we
Speaker 7: introduce these large what's called over samples of black and
Speaker 7: Hispanic voters, which we account for on the back end
Speaker 7: with waiting, But we really wanted to get a clear
Speaker 7: picture of the small groups that are Sometimes you don't
Speaker 7: want to make inferences that are too large out of
Speaker 7: sub populations that are too small in a survey. So
Speaker 7: all that's to say, this is one of the largest
Speaker 7: and most exhaustive survey projects to date of this new
Speaker 7: Trump built, multi ethnic working class GOP. And like you said,
Speaker 7: Scott's got two main camps that emerge. There's about a
Speaker 7: two third majority a little over that constitutes what we
Speaker 7: think of as traditional Republicans. They're quite conservative on everything
Speaker 7: from foreign policy to the economic policy, to social issues.
Speaker 7: But there is this sizeable minority, what we're calling new
Speaker 7: entrints to the GOP, people who just voted for the
Speaker 7: Republican Party for maybe the first time in the last
Speaker 7: two presidential cycles, but have we're very likely to have
Speaker 7: voted for a Democrat in.
Speaker 3: The recent past.
Speaker 4: You're talking about, right.
Speaker 7: Well, not necessarily, they're a younger block. There are more
Speaker 7: diverse block Ethnically, they are more likely to hold progressive
Speaker 7: policy views across every major policy domain. But then, somewhat oddly,
Speaker 7: they're also a significant share of them are more likely
Speaker 7: to report that they are open.
Speaker 3: To racist views or anti Semitic views.
Speaker 7: And they express potential support for political violence, and yet
Speaker 7: again they are more liberal on policies.
Speaker 2: How do you explain that contradiction.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that President Trump brought in people to
Speaker 7: the party who are all over the ideological map. And
Speaker 7: I don't think it'll be at any surprise for a
Speaker 7: lot of your listeners that the racists in American politics
Speaker 7: are often not coming from the right most place, and
Speaker 7: that is an ideological line that is just not neatly
Speaker 7: defined all the time. Your listeners probably know this. There
Speaker 7: are people in their lives who feel various different ways
Speaker 7: about any given issue. And you know, there are two
Speaker 7: kinds of factions at play in the national discourse right now.
Speaker 7: You've got left wing corporate media type and you've got
Speaker 7: some of these odd ball types on the real They
Speaker 7: want to position themselves on the right, but really they're
Speaker 7: kind of flirting with a bunch of nasty things. And
Speaker 7: what they both have in common is that they don't
Speaker 7: want to see the politically successful coalition for the Republican
Speaker 7: Party that Donald Trump put together in twenty twenty four
Speaker 7: remain intact for future election cycle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 2: And there's also, i know too in the study here
Speaker 2: a generational avide. So if you're on an under fifty
Speaker 2: Republican that looks different than plus fifty Republican, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: much everything it's dark, whether it's Israel, China, or you know,
Speaker 2: traditional vatos political violence. Are there just simply now two
Speaker 2: different Republican parties coexisting temporarily?
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be up to the next
Speaker 7: Republican nominee to stick together a coalition that can work
Speaker 7: and win at the national level. President Trump, you know,
Speaker 7: some people might be able to pin this in kind
Speaker 7: of a endearing light and say that he's very pragmatic.
Speaker 7: Someone more hostile as the president might say that he's inconsistent.
Speaker 7: But there is a fundamental truth to the fact that
Speaker 7: President Trump has been sort of ideologically flexible on questions.
Speaker 3: Over the years.
Speaker 7: He's not a man who's afraid to change his mind.
Speaker 7: In the first term, one of his signature policy achievements
Speaker 7: with Congress was passing the first Stepbacks, which was a
Speaker 7: big piece of criminal justice reform. In this term, he's
Speaker 7: been much tougher on crime and policing. These National Guard
Speaker 7: deployments have been its signature achievement. And in his campaign
Speaker 7: for office, he ran on a message of no new wars,
Speaker 7: but also he's not afraid to use force. Now that
Speaker 7: he's in office, he's got a very hawkish posture toward Iran,
Speaker 7: towards Venezuela, toward a lot of our adversaries across the globe.
Speaker 7: So President Trump's appeal has kind of been his celebrity,
Speaker 7: his humor, and also his pragmatic flexibility around issues. What
Speaker 7: is it going to be for jd.
Speaker 3: Vance or Ted.
Speaker 7: Cruz or Mark or Rubio or whoever it is who
Speaker 7: becomes the Republican standard bearer in twenty twenty eight. Maybe
Speaker 7: they'll bring in a lot of young men the same
Speaker 7: way President Trump did in twenty twenty four. Maybe they'll
Speaker 7: win back some of the suburban moms that President Trump
Speaker 7: lost over the course of his tenure in office. But
Speaker 7: politicians have to be created, and if they want to
Speaker 7: win at national level, they can't do it with just
Speaker 7: the base. But the question is who do they add in?
Speaker 7: And it's probably pretty unlikely that the next standard bearer
Speaker 7: is going to add in that same group that President
Speaker 7: Trump would managed to manage to put together.
Speaker 2: Jesse ARMC Manhattan Institute on the study, that's a damn.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say impossible. Nothing's impossible. And you know, every
Speaker 2: day in politics feels like it's a year these days.
Speaker 2: For sure, hardly Trump's only been in office a year.
Speaker 2: It feels like I'd spend two terms, maybe four terms
Speaker 2: at this point, like FDI, not even yeah.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, it's just every day.
Speaker 2: But you look at it, it's the cult of Trump's personality,
Speaker 2: the enigma that's Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: That's awfully hard to replicate.
Speaker 2: We've seen that tried before with other people, maybe not
Speaker 2: till Trump's level, but I'm let's face it, he's not kindoclassed.
Speaker 2: You can't replicate that. That's gonna be difficult.
Speaker 7: And we'll have to keep in mind that the Democrats
Speaker 7: are super eager to finally get their Trump. Don't be
Speaker 7: surprised that they nominate somebody in twenty twenty eight who's
Speaker 7: willing to fight some heads off and be a creative
Speaker 7: communicator and you know, break break the electorate up on
Speaker 7: along interesting ideological line. Gavin Newsom is capable of doing that. Hell,
Speaker 7: even maybe AOT may be capable of doing that. So
Speaker 7: hopefully there's a Republican that comes forward with the same
Speaker 7: kind of policy entrepreneurship and political creativity that President Trump
Speaker 7: is able to possess. But as you and I both
Speaker 7: know and your audience knows, that's no easy task.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you surveyed this group three thousand, which is a
Speaker 2: really good sample size. By the way, on a point
Speaker 2: you may go, oh, that's not that many people, but
Speaker 2: that's pretty good on where the GOP is standing, where
Speaker 2: they're headed.
Speaker 4: I guess right now.
Speaker 2: You tested things like anti semitism and the conspiracy theories,
Speaker 2: and I thought the political violence one was particularly interesting.
Speaker 2: That more than half of what you're calling the new
Speaker 2: entrant Republicans say political violence is justified or can be
Speaker 2: justified anyway, and that matches up with those on the left.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, a lot of these people, like I said,
Speaker 7: they're younger, and they're more conspiratorial. They've got a more
Speaker 7: and once you're more conspiratorial. Another thing that our data
Speaker 7: told us is that you're also more likely to excuse
Speaker 7: political violence under the right circumstances. So we have to
Speaker 7: ask ourselves, right when we're hearing and seeing a lot
Speaker 7: of stuff in the news about the evolution of media
Speaker 7: figures like Tucker Carlson or Canvasz into a transition to
Speaker 7: a fully online environment, Well, we have to ask ourselves, like, Okay,
Speaker 7: so they're appealing to a younger block, a more diverse block,
Speaker 7: a block that's spending a lot of time in digital spaces,
Speaker 7: not listening to radio shows like yours, but are perhaps
Speaker 7: you know, spending a lot of time on TikTok and
Speaker 7: on platforms like rumble x, and the incentives are just
Speaker 7: different than what they are for electoral politics. We actually
Speaker 7: pulled voters, and when you talk to voters, it's a
Speaker 7: lot more traditional and coherent ideologically, at least the vast
Speaker 7: majority of the GOP looks that way. So it's important
Speaker 7: to keep in mind that your favorite voices in sort
Speaker 7: of new media have incentives that are different than your
Speaker 7: favorite politicians and Republicans or any political party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you had this confluence event that the
Speaker 2: long distrust of legacy media, and then along came the
Speaker 2: Internet and different influencers are online and there's no filter
Speaker 2: for them, and the more extreme the better, and that
Speaker 2: that makes sense as to why so many people majority
Speaker 2: would lean towards political violence because that's being preached on
Speaker 2: those platforms.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah, it really all comes down to that there
Speaker 7: is a core group and a fringe group, and it's
Speaker 7: up to whoever is going to be the next standard
Speaker 7: bearer for the party to come to a determination about
Speaker 7: who will make up their blows and can they create
Speaker 7: a book wide enough to secure a victory at the
Speaker 7: national stage, because I have no easy cap. President Trump
Speaker 7: even struggled to do it three times. He you know,
Speaker 7: depending on who you are married at least.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, Jesse Armin Manhattan Institute a new poll that
Speaker 2: they did. They are very exhaustive one that reveals divides
Speaker 2: inside the GOP coalition. So you've got the core, You've
Speaker 2: got the less stable outer ring. One is hearing this
Speaker 2: and going so it's just what the older people are,
Speaker 2: the neocons, and that's the cohesive core traditional conservatives of
Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago. And now you've got a less
Speaker 2: stable outer ring who are the younger entrance into the
Speaker 2: GOP is. But but even that is probably a misleading summary,
Speaker 2: right Executive Summer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I mean we're not seeing a natural fault
Speaker 7: line along what you might call neocons or and then
Speaker 7: their their adversaries being I don't know, paleocon guys who
Speaker 7: like pack you canon or something like that. Maga, Yeah,
Speaker 7: isn't this isn't falling along. It's not that tidy split. Okay,
Speaker 7: We've found two much messier blocks, which I've described for
Speaker 7: you now earlier. But again it does bear repeating that
Speaker 7: just under thirty percent of today's GOP is what we
Speaker 7: call these new entrance Republican voters who join the coalition
Speaker 7: in the Trump era. They are younger, more racially diverse,
Speaker 7: and much more likely to have voted for Barack Obama,
Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harrince at least one time.
Speaker 7: So they are the ostensible base for much of the
Speaker 7: eccentricity that now preoccupies conservative politics. Because those voters are
Speaker 7: also so much more liberal on issues that we tested,
Speaker 7: from taxes and spending to foreign policies, immigrations to DEI
Speaker 7: to transgender issues. This is a consistent through line. And
Speaker 7: beyond all that, like I said, there is a flirtation
Speaker 7: with the kind of odd here. They're much more likely
Speaker 7: to believe a number of conspiracy theories. They're much more
Speaker 7: likely to work with political violence in some ways. And
Speaker 7: that is, you know, breaking our politics up along very
Speaker 7: funny line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP
Speaker 2: was over sampled deliberately. But I'm looking at the numbers
Speaker 2: of d and then maybe that factors into the reason why,
Speaker 2: even more so than white Republicans, Hispanics and blacks say
Speaker 2: DEI should be made illegal.
Speaker 4: What do you make of that?
Speaker 7: I think that DEI has got to be a winning
Speaker 7: issue for conservatives moving forward, no matter who the policy
Speaker 7: standard bearers for the Republican Party. One thing that was
Speaker 7: a parent from our data is that a really useful
Speaker 7: way to think about our politics and what it is
Speaker 7: that Republicans stand for is.
Speaker 3: Merit, meaning we believe in.
Speaker 7: A true meritocracy that anybody can work their way up
Speaker 7: equality of opportunities, not equality of outcome. And I'll say
Speaker 7: that actually a politician in your state is perhaps one
Speaker 7: of the best articulators of what it means to organize
Speaker 7: the Republican Party along the through line of merit. What
Speaker 7: is fair? What is just that the best people rise
Speaker 7: to the top and that we're not giving out handouts
Speaker 7: and living in a sort of DEI racially discriminatory identity
Speaker 7: politics of set America. And that politician is the zach Ramaswami,
Speaker 7: who's I think stands a very good shot of being
Speaker 7: your next governor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because
Speaker 2: we're a limited time here, Jesse. Almost parallel to that
Speaker 2: is the masculinity question. Seven out of ten current GOP
Speaker 2: supporters believe that America is too feminine, and it's almost
Speaker 2: sixty percent of Republican women. What's driving that settlement and
Speaker 2: how does that going to shape the cultural position when
Speaker 2: it comes to the gender wars.
Speaker 7: Well, keep in mind that our polling was of most
Speaker 7: heavily what we call the current GOP, and we defined
Speaker 7: that as you had to be either part of the
Speaker 7: whole group that voted for Trump in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 7: regardless of your policy party registration, or you are a
Speaker 7: registered Republican even those who did not vote for President
Speaker 7: Trump to be considered in that current GOP block. And
Speaker 7: that group that President Trump has brought together and reshaped
Speaker 7: the Republican Party in that image is very male, and
Speaker 7: beyond being very male. Even the women who are part
Speaker 7: of that block believe that America has become too a feminine,
Speaker 7: feminized as a country. So how do you articulate and
Speaker 7: develop a politic that is strong masculine nationalist but avoids
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, we're both guys. We know kind
Speaker 7: of where.
Speaker 6: Guys picked right right right to be too macho, to
Speaker 6: be headstrong, stubborn effective, that compromise illy difficult, song and dance,
Speaker 6: and you're gonna see I think if I had, if
Speaker 6: I'm a betting man, the Democrats are probably going to
Speaker 6: nominate a man in twenty twenty eight if triude nominating
Speaker 6: women a couple of times.
Speaker 7: Now they've lost Gavin as the guy who sort of
Speaker 7: appears to be the front runner right now. So we're
Speaker 7: gonna be in dangerous territory as Republicans if the Democrats
Speaker 7: end up nominating a man who can speak the language
Speaker 7: of masculinity effectively while articulating a progressive policy program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: Is that an Andy Basher from Kentucky?
Speaker 7: It should be a lot of people, but Andy Basheer
Speaker 7: is another one who definitely gets kicked around a lot
Speaker 7: Joshupiro in Pennsylvania, another popular Democratic governor who is not
Speaker 7: you know, he doesn't talk in the sort of ultra progressive,
Speaker 7: woke ways that so many Democrats did just a couple
Speaker 7: of years ago.
Speaker 3: We're losing a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously the big glooming problem here is Trump
Speaker 2: two point zero. The next candidate is at paradox because
Speaker 2: based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump
Speaker 2: like rhetoric will appeal to the new entrance, as you
Speaker 2: call them. But core Republicans that tend to dominate the
Speaker 2: primaries want steady or more traditional leadership. So that's that's
Speaker 2: gonna be a tough one to play out. We'll see
Speaker 2: how it goes.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: He is at Jesse arm he's at Manhattan Institute helping
Speaker 2: with this new study to kind of diagram what's happening
Speaker 2: with the GOP. We may have to do one of
Speaker 2: the Democrats too, because that's also equally confusing. We're just
Speaker 2: at one of those political crossroads that happens every generation,
Speaker 2: for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping.
Speaker 3: On, Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: of people with there it's like it's it's it's pretty
Speaker 2: easy comparatively speaking to what it was just a few
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 9: So well, I thought I was going to be like Superwoman.
Speaker 4: And I was, you know, I was too old for that. Wow,
Speaker 4: way too old for that.
Speaker 9: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: To that point, my final point on this one, it
Speaker 2: was hysterical. The other night, I'm She's like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of cold, she's on the gosh, you got her
Speaker 2: leg up, she's got her ice on. Uh. And I
Speaker 2: walk in the living room. She's watching TV. She's stopped
Speaker 2: for some reason, like at the Hallmark channel or something
Speaker 2: like that. She's got her blanket on, she's got a
Speaker 2: cup of tea, and her cane is next to her.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you're just one cat away from being
Speaker 2: that lady, that old lady. And I went, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and you started laughing. I was like, it was so
Speaker 2: funny because.
Speaker 9: It's like, yeah, you know, if I wanted a cup
Speaker 9: of tea, if I had a.
Speaker 2: Nice you want a nice cup of tea? How about
Speaker 2: a nice cup of tea would go great with your cat?
Speaker 2: You're asking your cane in the Hallmark Channel's perfect. All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk real estate stuff.
Speaker 4: What do we got?
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh. Okay. So, actually, this is a topic
Speaker 9: that has come up a couple of times in the
Speaker 9: last month, so I thought it would be a good conversation.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people who are getting to that
Speaker 9: age where they want to downsize or right size their home,
Speaker 9: and they want to decide do I want to find
Speaker 9: a ranch, do I want to live in a condo
Speaker 9: and so the it's sort of an interesting idea of Okay,
Speaker 9: am I ready for a condo because you have to
Speaker 9: kind of be ready to go into a condo because
Speaker 9: you're going to have neighbors, they're going to be nosy,
Speaker 9: You're going to have an h o A a condo,
Speaker 9: A condo is. There's a lot of great factors when
Speaker 9: it comes to condo. So let's just look at the
Speaker 9: comparison between if you want to buy a home or
Speaker 9: do you want to buy a condo. The condo the
Speaker 9: pros are pretty easy to lift. The low maintenance living
Speaker 9: you don't have to well, you have maintenance inside your.
Speaker 2: Home maybe, but you know the thes are cutting the grass,
Speaker 2: of moving the snow, the roof, the siding, anything big
Speaker 2: like you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 9: No, you still have to worry about, you know, making
Speaker 9: sure you're changing your filters on your age back. You
Speaker 9: know there's there's interior or stuff that's not forget about it.
Speaker 9: It's nothing for you, but there's something for people. Yeah,
Speaker 9: something you know people regularly you have to do change.
Speaker 2: A filter something you know, call a plumber, electrician if
Speaker 2: something else goes wrong. But that's largely.
Speaker 9: It's fairly low maintenance living. For sure, it can be
Speaker 9: more affordable, but once you factor in the monthly HOA fees,
Speaker 9: it could be very similar price point wise to a
Speaker 9: single family home because just imagine you're paying two hundred,
Speaker 9: three hundred, four hundred. I've seen as high as five
Speaker 9: hundred dollars a month for a homeowner's association, plus if
Speaker 9: you have a mortgage. Now, if you don't have a mortgage,
Speaker 9: you're just paying that monthly fee along with your utility. Okay,
Speaker 9: that may be doable, but that could add up to
Speaker 9: like a thousand dollars a month. So again it's something
Speaker 9: that you have to think about. The amenities and a
Speaker 9: con could be very nice and attractive. A pool, fitness center, clubhouse,
Speaker 9: walking trails, things like that.
Speaker 7: You don't really have to worry about it.
Speaker 9: You know, you can kind of close the door and
Speaker 9: go on vacation. But again, the cons then are those hoavs,
Speaker 9: your rules and restrictions. If you have a pet, you
Speaker 9: usually can't just let it out the back door and
Speaker 9: let us go do it business and come back in.
Speaker 3: You're going to have to walk your pets.
Speaker 9: You may or may not be able to use that
Speaker 9: property as a rental at any point. A lot of
Speaker 9: homeowners associations and condos are doing away with allowing rentals
Speaker 9: in most communities, so you have to check on that.
Speaker 9: It's also a little bit of a slower appreciation as
Speaker 9: far as that investment goes with a condo that has
Speaker 9: a homeowner's association. The older the condo is, the higher
Speaker 9: the HOA fee is on a monthly basis. So plus,
Speaker 9: you want to make sure that the condo is doing
Speaker 9: the best they can with your money. They're investing it.
Speaker 9: You make sure there's a good reserve. Those kinds of
Speaker 9: things are important to look at before you buy, because otherwise,
Speaker 9: if a big if they're you know, if they don't,
Speaker 9: if the HA doesn't have their stuff together and you
Speaker 9: need a new roof, and so does ten other condos,
Speaker 9: you know, that's not a cheap thing that comes out
Speaker 9: of the condo budget, the HOA budget. So you want
Speaker 9: to make sure that there's a reserve in there to
Speaker 9: take care of that and there's a plan. So condos
Speaker 9: can be extremely great, but I've had two clients of
Speaker 9: mine who moved into condos in the last year and
Speaker 9: they hated it. Absolutely hated it. If they felt restricted,
Speaker 9: they felt like it wasn't their own home, they felt
Speaker 9: like they were renting even though they owned it. So
Speaker 9: they moved from get me out of this condo and
Speaker 9: find me a single family home. And so I think
Speaker 9: that's a really interesting I just find it fascinating because
Speaker 9: you're all in on the condo thing until you're in
Speaker 9: there and you're like, oh, this is way too restrictive.
Speaker 9: So obviously the pros of buying a single family home.
Speaker 9: You know, you have the space, you have the control
Speaker 9: for the most part, there's usually fewer rules, but you
Speaker 9: do have to handle all of your maintenance. But guess what,
Speaker 9: if you're to the point in your life where this
Speaker 9: is this is your life, you can always hire somebody
Speaker 9: to do it. And sometimes you can hire someone to
Speaker 9: do your lawn maintenance for cheaper than an hoa wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can hire it out right. You
Speaker 2: look at it, going okay, pepepe, and and probably that's
Speaker 2: the case too. I'm wonder some of these hoas you
Speaker 2: look at the fees and you know, I know you've
Speaker 2: had clients, Michelle where they have balked and said, man,
Speaker 2: the hoa is killing me right now, and you add
Speaker 2: it up to go, well, I could firm this out
Speaker 2: that you know, the snowshoveling, which is maybe not even
Speaker 2: a hand full of time of year, or you could
Speaker 2: do it yourself maybe, but okay, I don't want to
Speaker 2: cut the lawn anymore right now. But they also pay
Speaker 2: if you know, then when the roof needs replay, well,
Speaker 2: the roof roofleling needs are replaced every well roughly twenty years.
Speaker 2: They're not going to do an air conditioning unit or
Speaker 2: anything like that. Maybe you know, they'll paint it every
Speaker 2: few years if it's older. Okay, but I think I
Speaker 2: I'll have to do the math and go. You know,
Speaker 2: if I just did this myself, it's I'm a head
Speaker 2: of Again.
Speaker 9: In the long run, it could save money. And again,
Speaker 9: when you're buying a home, there's higher appreciation as long
Speaker 9: as you are continuing the maintenance. You can't just you know,
Speaker 9: buy it and forget it. A lot of people do that,
Speaker 9: and then you know, we know that that can result
Speaker 9: in some disastrous maintenance bills as things move forward. But
Speaker 9: you know, it's a great question you have to understand
Speaker 9: before you get into it, because the other thing is
Speaker 9: if you're planning on selling, condos do turnover a little
Speaker 9: bit more than a single family home. So if you're
Speaker 9: planning to be in that home for at least five
Speaker 9: to seven years, consider the single family home first, and
Speaker 9: then you know, maybe an option would be a condo.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of new condos being built currently. Again,
Speaker 9: if depending on your lifestyle, do you want to have
Speaker 9: someone like directly next to you, do you want to
Speaker 9: be able to hear them? Would you like to have
Speaker 9: someone above you or below you? In a lot of condos,
Speaker 9: it's either an apartment style or it's a townhouse style.
Speaker 9: So there's a lot of different options when it comes
Speaker 9: to condos. You know, we find that younger people who
Speaker 9: are just starting out, the condo's a great option. Right
Speaker 9: If you are a young first time home buyer and
Speaker 9: you can find a condo that helps you build equity,
Speaker 9: helps you build your credit, a condo's a great option
Speaker 9: because you may not have a single clue unless you
Speaker 9: have a handy dad. Yes, you may not have a
Speaker 9: clue as to how to do the maintenance and stuff
Speaker 9: like that. So buying a condo when you're young and
Speaker 9: you don't know might be a good it's a good
Speaker 9: option for you and then graduate to a single family home.
Speaker 9: But if you're on the other end of the spectrum,
Speaker 9: you really have to consider what's important. Is the condo
Speaker 9: better for your lifestyle, your financing and all of that,
Speaker 9: or is a single family home better?
Speaker 4: What about an RV Clark.
Speaker 9: An RV Clark, I don't know much about that, and
Speaker 9: it's not something that I would ever consider, because we
Speaker 9: are not going to be an tenement on wheels.
Speaker 4: We're going to afford a tenement on wheels exactly.
Speaker 2: Although I know those people who have done that and said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just getting an RV and driver
Speaker 2: on the country. They're quite happy about it. And you
Speaker 2: could think about it. You sold your house, you could
Speaker 2: buy you could buy a boss. Most people could for
Speaker 2: the cost of a house.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, But here's the thing. Okay, let's talk about that
Speaker 9: for a second. And we've known people who've done it,
Speaker 9: but they've done it for like a year or so.
Speaker 9: It's fun for a minute, But are you really going
Speaker 9: to live in an r.
Speaker 7: V for the rest of your life?
Speaker 4: I don't off.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, for the short maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you want to do it for five years.
Speaker 9: I mean it's fine, it's fine for I think short
Speaker 9: term personally, I could never do it.
Speaker 7: Just no, No, that's a that's a that's a.
Speaker 2: Hard mat because no matter how big it is, it's
Speaker 2: still not far and off away from me, right.
Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we fight, We fight enough now we actually driving
Speaker 2: is the largest houses on wheels right now?
Speaker 4: What could possibly go row out?
Speaker 9: And if I'm in a way you.
Speaker 4: Leave doors open, somebody's bound to fall out.
Speaker 9: That's kind of funny. It's like, so if you would
Speaker 9: live on an airplane, so that would mean I'd have
Speaker 9: to close all the cabinet doors and do the little
Speaker 9: locky thing like they do an airplane. You gotta lock
Speaker 9: it so there's any trigger, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to look like the tight Gus, what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen? It's gonna be crap all over.
Speaker 7: You left?
Speaker 4: Did you like those doors?
Speaker 2: I thought I shut?
Speaker 9: Shot, I shut that I did, I closed, and I swear.
Speaker 4: My innditions for the fifth time this month. Awesome.
Speaker 2: My wife, Michelle Sloan, We'll just we're just happy having
Speaker 2: a home.
Speaker 4: How about that? Our home is nice.
Speaker 3: We love our home.
Speaker 2: We're the house that's all good. Well S, your knees
Speaker 2: getting better, so it's all good during these holiday seas.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks again, appreciate it. My wife over at
Speaker 2: Sloan sells homes dot com and every next time in Mainville, love.
Speaker 4: You, see you light. I gotta go. I gotta go
Speaker 4: because I gotta get the news.
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