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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, always great to be on Well, thanks for

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Speaker 1: I've asked you this question before, you have covered it

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Speaker 2: Because they're violating anti trust regulations and law in a

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Speaker 2: No? No, you never know how a court's gonna roll.

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Speaker 2: does that even mean anymore? What? What meaning? What relevance

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Speaker 1: Manilo Law Group. You can learn more at Manilolawgroup dot com.

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