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Speaker 1: Thomas this morning, and glad I am to be joined

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Speaker 1: now by the man I like to call the man

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Speaker 1: in the arena bravely threw his hat in where others

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Speaker 1: had feared to tread for decades before. Corey Bowman, who

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Speaker 1: bravely ran for the Mayor of Cincinnati, got a little

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Speaker 1: on bowed And Corey Bowman, it's great to have you

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Speaker 1: back on fifty five KRC. How are you this morning?

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I was a little surprised this morning.

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Speaker 3: I woke up to snow on my car, so I'm

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Speaker 3: just trying to figure out what Twilight's doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm in right, that was a little rude awakening. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and look, I mean you listen to Chuck and seventy

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Speaker 1: Corey Bumman, that there are so many man there are

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Speaker 1: so many items that are percolating right now. Where do

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Speaker 1: you want to start? You know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you have a chance to listen yesterday, but I had

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Speaker 1: Chris Smythman in here and we were talking about any

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Speaker 1: number of issues as it relates to the city which

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Speaker 1: I want to do with you, and we spent a

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Speaker 1: this most recent review of the of the city manager,

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Speaker 1: and the headline in the Inquirer is you know, city

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Speaker 1: council gives the city manager share along a glowing job review,

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Speaker 1: and it turns out the city manager wrote her own review,

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Speaker 1: talked about all these wonderful accomplishments that she has, and

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Speaker 1: Chris Smitheman, his analysis was was that this is her

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of her ex secuting her exit strategy

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Speaker 1: from the City of Cincinnati. As you look at what's

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Speaker 1: things up the same way? How do you see it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, Christopher Smisman I listened to him yesterday as well.

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Speaker 3: He had some great points. And you know, Christopher was

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Speaker 3: an amazing friend of mine throughout last year.

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Speaker 2: The campaign still is to day, I still call him up.

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Speaker 3: To annoy him constantly when it comes to things along

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Speaker 3: with the city. But I think he's right on when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the city manager's position, because if we

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Speaker 3: look at last year, you know, one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: reasons I actually even entertain the thought of running for

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Speaker 2: Year, but the year before, the.

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Speaker 3: Winter before the snow removal was so terrible that customers

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Speaker 3: that falls directly under the leadership of the city manager. Now,

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Speaker 3: the way that our city is structured, technically, we should

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Speaker 3: have a strong mayor position. Now, a lot of the

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Speaker 3: structure that you see is designed in what's supposed to

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Speaker 3: is that it's kind of a scapegoat situation to where

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Speaker 3: there's always a fall, there's always somebody that's going to

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Speaker 3: take the blame. That way that people at the top

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Speaker 3: don't run their political careers. And that's exactly what's happening

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Speaker 3: with the city manager with the mayor right now. And

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Speaker 3: if you look at what's happened just over the last year,

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Speaker 2: Say is that it was a glowing review. She did greades.

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Speaker 3: There's no corrections, at least what the public sees needs

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Speaker 3: to be corrections. Well, then that's one of the only

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Speaker 3: She's going to take the fall or the blame. It's

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't change the.

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Speaker 2: Fact that this has not been a.

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Speaker 3: Well run administration from the city manager's perspective. The snow

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Speaker 3: Chief Dji under our structure falls under the city manager.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the way that it's set up. But still,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the city manager having purview over

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Speaker 1: some results in some of these areas, but there are

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Speaker 1: have the settlement and then it looks like the settlement

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Speaker 1: his favor. That's going to cost the city a multimillion

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder, as mayor, would you be okay

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Speaker 1: with Look, the city manager should have a regular review

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Speaker 1: that goes before council, But as mayor, would you be

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: If we need a third party to investigate the police chief,

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Speaker 3: if we need a third party to do a bunch

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Speaker 2: Then we would need a third.

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Speaker 3: Party company or or organization to do the review of

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the budget and the audit of

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Speaker 3: that we need to bring in third party auditors when

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Speaker 3: You know, with any business, with any nonprofit, there's accountability,

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Speaker 3: there's third party accountability, just to make sure that there's

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Speaker 2: Really, what we're seeing.

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Speaker 3: Is that, from my perspective, we have a bunch of

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Speaker 3: when it comes to City Council, when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the mayor. But really the power or the monopoly that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think there was a time when

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati of Cincinnati needed and wanted, was a good way

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Speaker 1: to oversee economic development of the city. But it seems

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Speaker 1: have I don't know, certain individuals who look at what's

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Speaker 1: in the piece that David Ferrara had in the Enquirer

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Speaker 1: on March fifteenth, just a couple of days ago, talking

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Speaker 1: this is something that this is right in your wheelhouse

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the perception and the reality of safety,

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Speaker 1: of crime, of economic activity. This is something that you

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Speaker 1: live every single day as far as people people like

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Speaker 1: me who live in the suburbs who find any reason,

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Speaker 1: that you know, I don't want to deal with everything

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Speaker 1: this is not a good look that we have going

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Speaker 2: Now. The nare basically throughout the year was saying that

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Speaker 3: Of fear mongering and that so people didn't feel safe

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Speaker 3: year of perception. You know, it's a perception. And I

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Speaker 3: use the example of, you know, we used to be

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Speaker 3: and there'd be a case, you know, let's say there's

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Speaker 3: You know, they they're perceiving that home is unsafe. No,

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Speaker 3: they've been beaten up at home, they're unsafe.

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Speaker 2: That's the reality.

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Speaker 3: And so that's I feel like, well a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: when they're getting told that a perception is their reality.

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Speaker 3: But they're walking around with a black guy. They're walking around,

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Speaker 3: you know, figuratively, but they're walking around seeing the violence

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Speaker 3: very discouraging for people to or downtown as well, because

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Speaker 3: people to not come downtown. We love Red games, we

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Speaker 3: and the shops. We're trying to add more, but that

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Speaker 3: even in this year after the election, after everything's trying

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Speaker 3: still seeing a year that's poised to even see more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Corey Bowman, stay right there. We've got

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Speaker 1: to get to a quick break and we'll continue on

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Speaker 1: the other side with Corey Bowman on fifty five KRCV

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Speaker 3: But god hour I heard Radio Music Awards Hard.

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Speaker 1: Cutty talk station, fifty five kr talk station. We continue

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Speaker 1: our conversation with Corey Bowman and Corey Bowman. And just

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Speaker 1: it's bad enough when you wake up and you turn

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Speaker 1: there's a beatdown that happens in the street after a

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Speaker 1: You know, kids being killed at a local park, things

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Speaker 1: to I talked to people constantly. I came downtown and

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Speaker 3: It's all done by the same people every time, repeat offenders.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I will tell you this because in the

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Speaker 2: Give credit where credit is due.

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Speaker 3: And so I would say that I don't by far,

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Speaker 1: Mark Jeffries put out a response to the street takeover.

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Speaker 1: He's got a proposal that would eliminate street takeovers in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the mayor scheduled an interview with Rockstar

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Corey Bowman, you're a better man than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like to say I'll be at my

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Speaker 1: Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you.

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Speaker 2: Happy Saint Patrick's Day.

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Speaker 1: All right, Corey Bowman, all the best, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: and with that we'll get to a break