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Speaker 1: A twenty nine on a Tuesday. It is that time

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Speaker 1: of week. I always look forward to it. I know

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Speaker 1: you do too as well. To retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel

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Speaker 1: has a great He does a great job explaining the

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Speaker 1: complicated realities of war, which we've been out a roll

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Speaker 1: on this one. Daniel Davis, Welcome back to the fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRCY Morning Show. My friend, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: God with the morning. Tell you Brian, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I can see you, and the technical issues have

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Speaker 1: been resolved. I see Joe Streckers back where he belongs

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Speaker 1: to the production boost. So those details ironed out now.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was doing Dealer's Choice last week. We're

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Speaker 1: a pick a topic. I just wanted to start on

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Speaker 1: the rush of Ukraine situation this morning because I saw

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Speaker 1: to bounce off you and get your reaction. First Off,

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Speaker 1: you've documented, explained many many times the precarious situation, the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are in relative to the strength of Russia's military.

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Speaker 1: Ukraine's running out of soldiers, warm bodies, They're short on equipment,

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Speaker 1: They're begging the world for assistance and help, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: I saw this article, and while the article does acknowledge,

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Speaker 1: prosecutors handling more than three hundred thousand desertion cases. The

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Speaker 1: is pretty substantial. That this is a part of the

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Speaker 1: problem they're facing that I wasn't even aware of. I

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Speaker 1: get the concept of desertion, but if you can't get

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Speaker 1: this is just another domino falling for Ukraine. Do you

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Speaker 2: They are accurate, And I can tell you I have

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Speaker 2: couple of years of the Zelenski administration out of Kiev,

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Speaker 2: and they said that the situation is generally worse than

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Speaker 2: what's being reported because they try to put a cap

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Speaker 2: several things working together that are fatal to the Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Number one is the desertions you mentioned like that. I

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Speaker 2: think that they're working three hundred thousand. They've had one

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Speaker 2: approximately two hundred thousand men of between the ages of

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Speaker 2: You have somewhere around seventeen thousand force mobilizations per month

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Speaker 2: And when you see the number of men that are

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Speaker 2: And it's just a mathematical certainty that at some point

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin had a press conference last night where he

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Speaker 1: Pikrovosk was one that he claimed to be captured. This

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Speaker 1: So they're going in with what arguably is yet another

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Speaker 2: They now are going to add another oblast that they're

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line for Russia is, y'all, I don't

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Speaker 1: And these regions you're referring to either captured or maybe

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Speaker 2: No, no, they're not even close to that yet. Really,

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Speaker 2: when you look at demographically everything up to the Danepa

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Speaker 2: And then because of these shots that the West has

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Speaker 2: Now then the only way we can stop that is

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe the delay in negotiating a peace resolution is

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Speaker 2: And look, let's just be blunt here, take the emotions

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Speaker 2: We'll simply take by force of arms what we want.

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Speaker 2: The cost will be high, but they have the cost,

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Speaker 2: They have the resources to pay that, both in blood,

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Speaker 2: that perspective, because Russia is thinking long term. They're not

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Speaker 2: And for them to pay that process is not that

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure that they're really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: you know, a moral victory as well as the land

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brian, it's stronger than that because it's not

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Speaker 2: just the ay of moral victory against Ukraine. It is

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Speaker 2: a massive victory against NATO. And that's how they would

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Speaker 2: we've tried with training, with weapons, ammunition, the intelligence, support, targeting, support,

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Speaker 2: long range. If all of that fails, it won't just

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Speaker 2: be a paper victory. It will be a pretty substantial

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Speaker 2: holy smokes. Everything NATO tried to do failed. So it

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Speaker 2: is a big deal. And one of the reasons why

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Speaker 2: I think that we should say, let's don't get to

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Speaker 2: that point. Let's have an ugly negotiated deal now, so

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Speaker 2: that we can prevent them from getting all that kind

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Speaker 2: of a victory, at least a full one, because otherwise

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Speaker 2: it'll just look like we could do nothing and we

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Speaker 2: could not stop the Russians all the way up to

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Speaker 1: Take your wins where you can get them. Apparently, one

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Speaker 1: more thing I have to ask in you know, moving forward,

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Speaker 1: in the aftermath of whatever this war leads to, whatever

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Speaker 1: solution negotiated or not. The breadbasket of the region Ukraine

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Speaker 1: talked about the fields, the grain, the abundance of all

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Speaker 1: these resources. Who in the hell is going to be

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Speaker 1: there to farm the land? Daniel Davis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's plenty of people that will farm

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Speaker 2: it because it'll it'll just be under the Russian control,

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Speaker 2: but the people themselves will will still farm it. The

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Speaker 2: bigger problem, though, Brian, is that the amount of ordinance

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Speaker 2: bomb fragments, et cetera, is so massive it's going to

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Speaker 2: take I bet more than a decade, probably a lot

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Speaker 2: more than a decade to get all that taken out.

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Speaker 2: And you're talking mines as well, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: It sure is. But given the gravity of that problem,

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Speaker 1: I would like to think some you know, international body

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Speaker 1: of folks, maybe like the Baby Blue Hats, could go

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Speaker 1: given all the unexploded ordinance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we still have people doing d mining

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Speaker 2: operations in Visa. There's no question did a lot of

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Speaker 2: people want to do that, but we've got to have

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Speaker 2: a security environment to allow it. That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: fifty five Case Morning Show. Very informative, very enlightening. I like, yes,

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Speaker 1: telling it like it is. You don't sugarcoat anything, Daniel.

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Speaker 1: We all need a healthy dose of that man to

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Speaker 2: But we got to have a healthy job that's still

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Speaker 2: and be good for the outcome. If you don't do that,

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Speaker 2: then you're going to be left with whatever's left over.

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Speaker 2: Stop the Death's year and my goal I think in

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Speaker 2: the long run, Daniels. Until next week, have a great week,

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Speaker 2: my friend, my friend, Thanks for your time. Eight forty

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