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Speaker 1: Tom in Framingham, Thanks for holding Tom, and welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Jeff. I got a couple of things I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about. One quick one is peripheral to your

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Speaker 2: first topic, and that's Judge Karen Emmergutt. She's a judge

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Speaker 2: who ruled that Trump couldn't send National Guard troops from

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Speaker 2: other states into Oregons. That's right, she was, as you know,

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Speaker 2: she was a Trump appointee in twenty nineteen. Now how

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Speaker 2: did that happen? The reason she she got appointed was

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Speaker 2: the blue slip and that Lindsey Graham went to Trump

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Speaker 2: and said, I think Widen and the other guy will,

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Speaker 2: I think we can live with her, and I think

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Speaker 2: Widen and the other guy will will approve of her.

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Speaker 2: So here's an example where the blue slip is. This

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Speaker 2: blue slip is biting Republican presidents because they've got to, uh,

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Speaker 2: they've got to they've got to appoint judges that meet

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Speaker 2: the approval of the Democratic senators in the statement, However,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's actually working the other way,

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Speaker 2: and it's again ancidentally, grassly worse than anything that swappy,

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Speaker 2: that swappy old Senile Grassley has to Uh. He's a

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Speaker 2: big supporter of the Blue Slip. In other words, you

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Speaker 2: won't let anyone through judiciary unless they meet the approval

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Speaker 2: of the two state senators and that includes uh, that

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Speaker 2: includes US attorneys too. That's why they couldn't get Alina

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Speaker 2: Hobbit through in New Jersey. Second point, My second point is, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know these pronouncements that the Trump administration makes about

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Speaker 2: who's a terrorist and who isn't you know they declared

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Speaker 2: anti for a terrorism group. Now Antifa is openly harassing citizens,

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Speaker 2: endangering ice, you know, shooting at and in sieging ice buildings,

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Speaker 2: and they've yet to do anything about it. I guess

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Speaker 2: he's sending in troops now. But in my book, that's

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Speaker 2: not even enough. And and again I agree with you

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent on Bondie. Well, Bondi's well, Bondi has

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Speaker 2: made some progress in firing some of the Rottenside do OJ,

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Speaker 2: she hasn't done enough. And right now, you know, right

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Speaker 2: now Trump Trump really should invoke this Insurrection Act. But

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Speaker 2: Bondie should be Bondie should be working on arrest warrants

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Speaker 2: for police chiefs who failed to protect the citizenry. Of

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Speaker 2: those of those cities and states and even the mayors,

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Speaker 2: because right now Trump's looking like a little bit, a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a blustery paper tiger, and then he's

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Speaker 2: he's making Antifa a terrorist group. And Antifa on television

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Speaker 2: is openly doing these things and getting away with it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, they're Look, they're busting people's heads open

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Speaker 1: right there on TV. And it's not just that they're

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Speaker 1: doing it on TV in front of the camera, they're

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Speaker 1: doing it right in front of the cops, the Portland police,

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Speaker 1: and the Portland Police are not arresting them. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they're arresting the people whose heads they're breaking in. You

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Speaker 1: can't make this up. So Antifa, look, Antifa, their slogan is,

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Speaker 1: which is what they chant all the time, whose streets

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Speaker 1: are streets? And they're basically letting it be known we

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Speaker 1: run downtown Portland. That's it. It's like a militia in

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Speaker 1: a third world country. It's like, that's what they are.

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Speaker 1: They're a Marxist militia, that's what they alter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: militias are terrorist organizations, but they're a mark exist communist

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Speaker 1: anarchist militia and they operate with impunity. So and the

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Speaker 1: police have been told to cower and to stand down,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they do. Now. Look, either Trump has

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States of America has designated

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Speaker 1: a violent, radical left wing group that has been involved

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Speaker 1: in rioting, burning, looting, murder, extortion, attacking literally physically attacking

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Speaker 1: and they're walking the streets of Portland, and everyone's afraid

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Speaker 1: of them. So if he doesn't act, look, it's going

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Speaker 1: to embolden even more resistance and more of this kind

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, but look, you need an attorney general

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Speaker 1: that is not afraid to be controversial, that is not

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Speaker 1: afraid to be hated by the media or the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: This is a war. I don't want it to be

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Speaker 1: a hot war, but we are now in a political, ideological,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not the only one saying this.

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Speaker 1: you go on about the blue slip. Notice, it's always

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Democrats never go say and if they want to appoint

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Speaker 1: We're appointing this person. And that's it. It's going to

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Speaker 1: we don't care. So it's always one way. Now, if

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Speaker 1: in a political war, well I'm sorry, then you're stupid

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Speaker 1: if you keep trying to compromise with an enemy that

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Speaker 1: now has showed themselves that they so hate us that

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Speaker 1: they fantasize about murdering us, and they're increasingly becoming violent.

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Speaker 1: They're assassinating us, they're fire bombing us, they're assaulting us,

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Speaker 1: they're persecuting us, they're attacking us. Now, to prevent more violence,

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Speaker 1: that's the point, you have to invoke the Insurrection Act.

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Speaker 1: You have to restore public order, law and order, and no,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in coincidences I'm giving you my honest opinion.

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Speaker 1: They shut the government down, and they coordinated with these

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Speaker 1: mayors and these governors, and they said, no, now you're

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Speaker 1: going to foment even more rebellion, more insurrection, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna suck Trump in, and we're going to go after

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Speaker 1: these National Guard troops and we're going to go after

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Speaker 1: Ice because they want to see violence. Look, they want

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Speaker 1: to instigate or incite a massacre because then they believe

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Speaker 1: they can turn everything against Trump. So Trump's got to

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Speaker 1: be forceful, but careful and calibrated. And where's Pam BONDI

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we have the answer to

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Speaker 1: why the Democrats want to restore three point six million

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Speaker 1: dollars and US taxpayer funding for male prostitutes in Haiti

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Speaker 1: to teach them cooking classes. My sister texted me, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you understand cooking cats requires a lot

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Speaker 1: of technique. So I maybe it's to help them with

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Speaker 1: the you know, they like to eat cats in parts

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Speaker 1: of Haiti. Maybe I don't know, Maybe that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: I but you know, that's the best explanation I've heard

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Speaker 1: so far. Six one, seven two, six, six sixty eight

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cooner Liberalism's worst nightmare lines are Jammed Gardener in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Thanks for holding Gardener and welcome.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Jeff, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Probably, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll probably have a disagreement, but it'll be a friendly disagreement.

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Speaker 4: I brought this up a little bit to Sandy when

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Speaker 4: to see how the courts rule on this, because there

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Speaker 4: are a couple of things, first on the immigration issue,

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Speaker 4: going into various states. The Insurrection Act is an act,

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Speaker 4: and it is of course it is subordinate to the Constitution.

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Speaker 4: The Constitution, under Article four, Section four, requires that for

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Speaker 4: the executive branch to lead any federal troops into a state,

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Speaker 4: they have to be invited by the legislature of the state,

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Speaker 4: or if the legislature is out of session, the governor

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Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis did exactly that when Joe Biden was president,

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Speaker 4: and they complained because they weren't getting a proper response.

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Speaker 4: In fact, Joe Biden was literally bringing people in and

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Speaker 4: so now we have the flip side of it in

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Speaker 4: a way. And the other thing is beyond the fact.

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Speaker 3: That Article four, Section four requires that. What's I think

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Speaker 3: very interesting is, and I don't know if you've ever

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Speaker 3: spoken with kids about this as well, is you might

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Speaker 3: remember how the Constitution has three types of land that

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Speaker 3: the federal government can own or run. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: what those are?

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Speaker 1: A gardner, I don't want to get too far afield.

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Speaker 1: I want to stay on topics. So are you trying

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Speaker 1: to say that Trump doesn't have the right to invoke

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Speaker 1: send federal troops or National Guard troops to quell an

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Speaker 1: insurrection in Portland or in Chicago. Is that your point?

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Speaker 4: I have a couple points. Actually, The point that I

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Speaker 4: is only allowed under the Constitution to run three forms

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Speaker 4: which they chose to be Washington, d C. Military garrisons

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Speaker 4: such as Fort Sumter and Civil War, and territories. And

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Speaker 4: when territories become states under the Constitution, they say they

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Speaker 4: seeing is how they handle the federal courthouses, which is

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Speaker 4: the rationale, of course, as you know, under which Trump

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Speaker 4: the difference between the word naturalization and immigration. The word

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Speaker 4: immigration is not in the Constitution. It was a state purview.

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Speaker 4: it entered the Union in eighteen sixty nine. Naturalization, how

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Gardner, look, I mean I can handle all

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Speaker 1: that really in about a minute. Number one. Under when

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Speaker 1: over again. Now, as for invoking the Insurrection Act, it

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Speaker 1: has been invoked in the past. I believe Trump has

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Speaker 1: every legal right to invoke it. And we'll watch. The

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Speaker 1: asked for it to be fast tracked, whether troops can

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Speaker 1: definitely five four, most likely six'. Three The Supreme court

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Speaker 1: will Say trump has every right to order The National,

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Speaker 1: have the right to rebel against federal authority. Unlawfully and

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Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing In chicago and In portland and

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Speaker 1: and the one thing our founding fathers hated was. Anarchy,

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Speaker 1: yes they hated a, strong over centralized federal, government no. Question,

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Speaker 1: yes they believed in Many in most, issues states and

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Speaker 1: boston In, massachusetts In, california is straight out. Anarchy and

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Speaker 1: it is a repeat of what The democrats did in eighteen.

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Speaker 1: start the most, destructive deadly war In american. History More

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Speaker 1: americans died in The Civil war than all the other

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Speaker 1: so you, know it's easy to be a radical, libertarian

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Speaker 1: to be a radical, individualist but that's Not. America you're

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Speaker 1: building castles in the. Sky what you're doing is you're

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Speaker 1: putting abstract philosophy over, history, precedent and. Reality jefferson was

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Speaker 1: not a. Libertarian madison was not a. Libertarian washington was

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Speaker 1: not a. Libertarian they were classical, liberals, yes in many,

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Speaker 1: Libertarians they give you the technical. Definition so what you're

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Speaker 1: i'm telling you you'll see The Supreme court will rule

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Speaker 1: will definitely rule in favor Of trump when it comes

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Speaker 1: to deploying the federal troops or. Else we don't, literally

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Speaker 1: we don't have a. Country if we cannot deport the

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Speaker 1: most violent illegal alien criminals from our, country then we

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Speaker 1: have no, borders we have no, sovereignty and we have no.

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Speaker 1: COUNTRY i, mean that's just a. Fact so, Anyway. Gardner

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for that. CALL i appreciate. It

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Speaker 1: we agree to disagree as. Usual six, one, seven two sixty,

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Speaker 1: let me ask all of. You do you Think trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the legal or constitutional authority to send in

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Speaker 1: Or california or wherever AND ice. Agents do mayors have

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Speaker 1: border protection from, arresting, detaining and deporting illegal? ALIENS i

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Speaker 1: say it's. Insane we don't have a. Country but that's.

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Speaker 1: ME i want to hear from You ron In. Medford

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Speaker 1: thanks for Holding ron and.

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Speaker 5: Welcome so many topics to talk, about But i'd like

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Speaker 5: to talk about something that has really not. Said The

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Speaker 5: republicans for decades do not know how to communicate with

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Speaker 5: The american. People what The president needs to, do or

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Speaker 5: The Republican National committee needs to, do is get time

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Speaker 5: Like Franklin roosevelt did During World War two and have

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Speaker 5: a fireside. Chat for, example show the governor Of oregon

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Speaker 5: what's going on In. Oregon do the same thing With,

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Speaker 5: illinois and do the same thing with any other city

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Speaker 5: the attention span of a nat and unfortunately sometimes the

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Speaker 5: think the, video along with the words and maybe fifty

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Speaker 5: victims of what. Happened that's what's going to make an

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Speaker 5: impression On american. People not the. Rhetoric no one wants

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Speaker 5: to listen to. That we need to be exactly what we,

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Speaker 1: On h RON i don't agree with you one HUNDRED

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Speaker 1: i agree with you one thousand. Percent the DIFFERENCE i

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Speaker 1: would just say is, THIS i agree with, you but

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Speaker 1: the dominant medium of our time is. Television right WHEN

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Speaker 1: During World War, two it was. Radio and you're, right

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Speaker 1: if a radio, station, say opposed the president's, policies they

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Speaker 1: would still give him the time that he asked for,

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Speaker 1: time was for him to deliver his FIRES i. Chat

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Speaker 1: trump and The republicans. Do If trump, said, Well i'd

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Speaker 1: like to have twenty, minutes fifteen, minutes ten, minutes but

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Speaker 1: him the. TIME i, mean he may get once a

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't So my question to, you You, ron is how

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Speaker 1: Does trump get around? That he could do videos that's,

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Speaker 1: get around, that essentially that media monopoly that The democrats

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Speaker 5: CONTROL i think The Republican National committee needs to try

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Speaker 5: to purchase, airtime and then if they're deny, that then

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Speaker 5: that's another thing that can come out about how biased

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Speaker 5: think they'd be a little concerned about what the appearances

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Speaker 5: the words are shown about these, communists about what they're,

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Speaker 5: saying that there's no, problem and then show the results

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Speaker 5: of having all these illegal immigrants in the, country the

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Speaker 5: deadly results to so many. FAMILIES i think that would

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Speaker 5: have an impact not on the thirty percent who couldn't care,

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Speaker 5: policies but hate his. Personality AND i hear over and

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Speaker 5: that but they love the. Policies SO i, MEAN i

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Speaker 5: think that would maybe sway. It but that's just my.

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Speaker 1: Ouse, No, No, ron look an excellent. Point and maybe when

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Speaker 1: i think then the networks will have no choice but

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Speaker 1: using a lot of, video exactly what you're. Suggesting, right

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Speaker 1: it's all peaceful In. Chicago look at. This SO i

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