1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hey twenty nine, Here fifty five KRSD talk station. It's Friday. 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm happy about it. I don't care what snow's coming, 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: just happy it's Friday and I'm happy. I'm aloud to 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: bring back to the fifty five CARC Morning Show at 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: this time. Jack Windsor, He's editor in chief of the 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Hot Press Network, is also host of The Windsor Report. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: You can find him on zoom wherever you get your podcast, 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: and welcome back and Happy Friday to you. Jack. It's 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: great seeing your face. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian. It's an honor to join you and 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: the discerning listeners of fifty five KRC this morning. Thanks 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: for having me. 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for acknowledging the equality of my listening audience. Man, 14 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: it's a tough the smarter your audience, you know this, 15 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: the tougher your job is. And I'm always embarrassed when 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I cannot adequately cope with one of the callers questions about, like, 17 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: let's say, a case that he wanted to know about. 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, I'm lost in the shuffle of 19 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: all this information. We know about California, we know about 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Minnesota in terms of fraud and what's been revealed so far. 21 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: How about how does Ohio compare to those two states, 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Jack Windsor. 23 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: That's a great question, great, great question. So I want 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: to take you back and then bring you back to 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: the present. You'll remember Ohio's pandemic era unemployment system experienced 26 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: significant failures, resulting in about three point eight billion in 27 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: improper payments. Now, further exacerbating Ohio's challenges, You'll remember State 28 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: Representative Mike de Villa's twenty twenty five investigation into medicaid 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: right into the wheelhouse of your caller, revealed preliminary findings 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: of at least six billion annually flowing without adequate checks, 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: potentially two ineligible recipients, obviously emphasizing the critical imperative for 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: rigorous eligibility verification to stem substantial drain on state resources 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: as well as federal resources that combine with those state 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: resources in Medicaid. Now flash forward to now twenty twenty six. 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: Ohio's Department of Children and Youth Programs I found out 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: last week from a lawmaker from auditor A. Keith Faber, 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: has identified two million dollars in improper distributions to childcare centers. However, 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: here's the asterisk Brian, my independent scrutiny in Columbus in 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: one day alone uncovered what appears to be six and 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: a half million in questionable payments to entities like Somali 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: Education Resource Center. With ongoing investigations, in my world, I 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: think we will reveal additional instances of waste, fraud and 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: abuse that really will, I think, further compel the legislative process. 44 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: There are a couple of bills already drafted that are 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: in play, and I think that we should start looking 46 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: for prosecutorial action. One of the bills would give the 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: Ohio Attorney General authority to prosecute these cases because one 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: of the challenges, Brian, is that sometimes local prosecutors are 49 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: maybe they're well intended, but they're not prosecuting crimes. So 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: Ohio has a significant issue. And my big heartburn on 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: all of it is there appear to be systemic issues. 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: And when you have a governor sitting in the governor's 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: chair who says, well, it's just the cost of doing business, 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: we have a problem. And I think that we're going 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: to uncover we have a significant, significant systemic issue here 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: in the Buckeye State. 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: Well, I'm a little I guess troubled by the reality 58 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: that apparently AG does not have the authority to go 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: after these And you know, you may be delicate and 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: with your wording on local prosecutors and their desires to 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: go after fraud, waste and abuse in and among the 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: illegal immigrant community or anywhere else for that matter. But yes, 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: there are very politically active left wing prosecutors who wouldn't 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: touch it with a ten foot poll for political reasons. 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: So we can't count on our own criminal justice system 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: to look out for Republican Democrat, communist socialists whoever's paying 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: taxes dollars. This transcends politics, Jack Winsor. This is not 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: about politics. It's about fraud, waste and abuse. 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: It is about fraud, waste and abuse. And it is 70 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: an absolute crying shame when you have aiders and a 71 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: betters who are pretending to be judges and prosecutors that 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: seem to be cut in on the deals. Right. That's 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: why I always say elections matter, elections matter, elections matter. 74 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Well, and then they go out and the end of this, 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: it's like a child, a petulant child holding his ears 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: and putting his hands over is a you know, closing 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: his eyes and going l I don't want to hear it. 78 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to 79 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: hear it. It happened on your watch. The buck stops 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: at your desk. Governor, whoever that's our money, do something 81 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: about it. You mentioned this one giving the attorney general 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: authority to do these prosecutions. That's great. Again, I didn't 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: realize we even need to go through this step. But 84 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: what are the other bills that are being discussed and 85 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: who would possibly be against them? 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: Jack, Great, great question. Well, there is a bill from 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: Phil Plummer from the Dayton area, and his bill has 88 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: the prosecutorial power going over to the attorney general, but 89 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: also state Lawmaker Josh Williams up there in the Toledo area, who, 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: by the way, is also running for Congress in District nine. 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: If he wins the Republican nomination, he will square off 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: against fixture in DC, Marcy Captor, who's been a Democrat 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: lawmaker as long as I've been alive, it seems, But 94 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: I digress. William's bill actually is one that would require 95 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: as well real time the cameras in these daycare centers. Now, 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: there are people who have a penchant for privacy, who 97 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: are saying, wait a minute, that might be over the line. 98 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: And what Williams is saying. He was on my show 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: earlier this week he said, well, look, we already do 100 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: this in places like the YMCA. As long as we 101 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: have proper guardrails, we should be able to see into 102 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: those daycare centers to make sure. Oh here's a great idea, 103 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: there are actually students in those daycare centers if they 104 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: are receiving public funds. And so it appears that both 105 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: of those bills have Republican support, although I would guess 106 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: that Josh Williams bill might get some pushback because there 107 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: are people who go, oh, what do you go, what 108 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: kind of images are you going to take of Johnny? 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: And how do I know that somebody's not going to 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: misuse them? And I remind people we do have to 111 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: put safeguards in place. But this thing is as old 112 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: as time. Brian. There's a proverb that says the borrower 113 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: is servant to the lender when you take tax dollars. 114 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: Guess what you are servant to the people who give 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: you those tax dollars. And you ought to expect that 116 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: there is proper oversight to make sure that the dollars 117 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: are being used for the things that you promised they 118 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: would be used for. 119 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: Well, I've kind of advocated that in the past for 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: public school class rooms for parents only. Not evil perverts 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: out there who might want to just voyeuristically watch children, 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: but for parents to have, you know, secure access so 123 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: they can at least hear what their children are being 124 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: taught in classroom. Right, what's wrong with that? 125 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense, doesn't it. Yes. But here's 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: the other thing. There are some independents, there are some 127 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: people who are on the conservative right who would go, oh, 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: this is a surveillance state. This is a surveillance state. 129 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: I remind them that when you carry this thing around, 130 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: you can't see me on the video I'm holding up 131 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: my smartphone. Guess what, You're already being surveilled. Say something 132 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: today and just watch if the product that you mentioned 133 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: doesn't show up on your Facebook or x feed, we're 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: already being surveilled. 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: We are. And that's something I've had to come to 136 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: grips with myself, because I probably would have been in 137 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: the camp about no surveillance date because I call myself 138 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: a little ill libertarian and I don't like state, you know, 139 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: or welly in action. But we're talking about children here 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: in the case of the schools, many cases these centers 141 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about, whether they're leering or learning, there are 142 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: young people. They need to have constant attention by parents 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: who really, really truly care. Pivoting over. It's our taxpayer 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: money that that is even open as a place to 145 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: send children. There's another reason for us to know whether 146 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: there's anything even going on in the building. Not a 147 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: very big road to ho there, Jack wins And will 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: bring it back. Go to the Ohiopress network dot com 149 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: book market. You'll be glad you did more with Jack 150 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: Windsor coming up stick. 151 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: Around fifty five KRC, fifty five KRC the talk station. 152 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Hey, forty one fifty five KRCD talk station. I always 153 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: enjoy having Jack Windsor on the show, and we got 154 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: a brack right now through the close of the show. 155 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: A couple more segments with Jack. You can find them 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: online the Ohio pressnetwork dot com and also find his 157 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: podcast or his his zoom thing going on at the 158 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Windsor Report. I think we missed well. I did a 159 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: real quick search. Jack Winsor, talking about you mentioned the 160 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: six billion dollars in medicaid fraud here in the state 161 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: of Ohio alone. I just looked up how much Ohio 162 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: collection property taxes. Obviously a real problem for ohioan's property taxes, 163 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: and they're trying to do legislative fixes. We know that 164 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: they're on it. We think there's going to be a 165 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: petition now to maybe put a eradication of Ohio property 166 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: taxes on the in the constitution. Chaos kind of thing, 167 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: it will ensue, at least we learned that from our 168 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: elected officials. But twenty twenty two calendar year nineteen and 169 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: a half billion collected six billion dollars just in medicaid 170 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: fraud that you mentioned in the last segment, that's twenty 171 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: five percent of the entire property tax and that's just 172 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: one program. I mean, if they will, if they went 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: out and ferreted out all the fraud, wasted abuse, or 174 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: at least did a great job at cracking down, let's 175 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: say they got ninety percent of what's currently being stolen, 176 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: it seems like that would go a long way to 177 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: solving our property tax problem. 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Jack right. I mean, one of the things I really appreciate, 179 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: appreciate about State Representative Mike Tavilla, who is the guy 180 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: who did the deep dive into Ohio Medicaid, and by 181 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: the way, the auditor is still looking into that. More 182 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: reports will come out. But he is also the guy 183 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: who has introduced this zero based budget idea, saying that 184 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: every decade we go back to zero. And if you're 185 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: a state agency, you have to prove one that you 186 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: should exist and two you have to account for why 187 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 2: you need every penny that the General Assembly would hand 188 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: over to you. I think that's the type of rigor 189 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: that we need in the system, because again, you have 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: a governor and maybe even a Republican party that for 191 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: decades has gone, wow, that's just kind of the cost 192 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: of doing business hogwash, because if you can collect, I mean, 193 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: it's kind of like Jesus using, you know, five loaves 194 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: and two fish to feed everybody, right, Imagine if we 195 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: just picked up the crumbs once in a while, we'd 196 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: have enough twelve baskets to go feed everybody. I mean, 197 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: we've got to stop treating taxpayer dollars as if they 198 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: don't matter, because at the end of the day. 199 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: They do, absolutely do. And again, I view this as 200 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: totally non partisan, totally non partisan, you know, and I'll 201 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: just pivot work because I do it all the time, 202 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: but I need the opportunity to get it out of 203 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: my someone and think about it. I viewed school choice 204 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: as totally nonpartisan. I don't care if you're in a 205 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: commed house. Why wouldn't you want an opportunity to send 206 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: your kids to wherever the hell you want? 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: You know? 208 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Wait, what is political about that? The only people it 209 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: might harm are the teachers' union because it's going to 210 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: force them to learn how to compete with the higher 211 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: performing schools that they're competing with. For a change, God, 212 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? 213 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: All right? Now, let me peeve everybody off by saying 214 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: what I'm about to say. I just am amazed. I'm 215 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: in awe at how often progressives stumble out of the gate. 216 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: I always think about a racehorse track, you know, the 217 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: horses come out of the shoot. These guys trip like 218 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: the first two steps. Let me give you an example. 219 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: They're all about choice. Man, If they want an abortion, 220 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: it's my body, my choice. But when it was COVID, 221 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: it was your body and my choice that you need 222 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: to mask and get a mandated vaccine. And now they're saying, well, 223 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: it's your student it's my choice. I don't think you 224 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: should have it. These people are so bast awkwards man, 225 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: that's the problem. But yeah, I think we should all 226 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: love liberty to the point that we actually trust the 227 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: adults in the room if they can be adults. And 228 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you come from 229 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: a commedi house, go look for a COMMI scribe to 230 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: send your kid. I should be able to send my 231 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: kid to a school that teaches reading, writing, arithmetic. 232 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Classical education is exactly what I would choose for my 233 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: children if we do it all over again, although fortunately 234 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: I got them through the public schools before they went 235 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: full on far left, woke bent. We can continue our 236 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: conversation with Jack Windsor. The Ohio Teachers Union apparently has 237 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: made a stance on ice continuing an education theme. Plus, 238 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: he interviewed VVK Ramaswaman the other day and I have 239 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: done that as well. Great guy. Next governor of the 240 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: state of Ohio will find out what Jack learned from 241 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: the VAC After these brief words, don't go away. Eight 242 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: fifty five Casey de Talk Station, Thank you, jose Jreker, 243 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: Little Dead Kennedy's there on the show on some fun 244 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: bumper music, and thank you Jack Windsor for agreeing to 245 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: peer back on the fifty five Percsey Morning Show. We'll 246 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: enjoy our conversations. I'll encourage my listeners to bookmark and 247 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: regularly check it out the Ohio Press Network, where you 248 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: find Jack and those working hard to bring these matters 249 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: to our attention and to course speak truth to power. 250 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: Pivoting over to the Teachers Union itself, I guess pardon 251 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: me wants to understand why they would even take a 252 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: stance on ice given that they're supposed to be educators. 253 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: But they did, I suppose, Jack Windsor, what's the story 254 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: here with the Ohio Teachers Union. 255 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: The Ohio Education Association represents about one hundred thousand educators, 256 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: and they've issued some directives opposing ICE enforcement as it 257 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: would relate to resisting warrants if they're not signed by judges, 258 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: so administrative warrants and to refer federal agents to administrators. Now, 259 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: to be real, Frank, that all makes sense legally and logistically. However, 260 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: where the OEA went off the proverbial cliff was when 261 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: their president, Jeff Wensingh said OEA opposes ICE enforcement in 262 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: or near schools that's the first red flag. And then 263 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: he framed schools as so called safe zones. So what 264 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: he's saying without saying it is ICE makes the schools unsafe. 265 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: And then the third thing that he said was, well, look, 266 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: we prize the opportunity to educate all kids, and the 267 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: people who support that go, well, he's just following the 268 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: letter of the law and giving resources. And there are 269 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: some school districts Columbus Hilliard have condemned ICE activities, citing 270 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: fear among immigrant communities and vowing to protect all students. 271 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: But here's the issue. Far from fostering unity, this resistance 272 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: to me erodes the foundational principle of law and order, 273 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: which is what we should be reflecting in our schools 274 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: and that schools should instill in every student. And it's 275 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: prioritizing the accommodation of illegal immigration over accountability and citizenship. 276 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: And here's the bottom line. We have unlimited ones and 277 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: limited resources, So you have a certain amount of time 278 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: and a certain amount of money, and that time and 279 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: that money ought to be devoted to the students who 280 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: are there legally. That's one of the challenges that many 281 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: people have with this. And by the way, the same 282 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: people who are clamoring and want the people who are 283 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: there illegally to be educated are also the people that 284 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: will tell you there aren't enough funds in our school system. 285 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: You know, maybe going back to fraud, waste and abuse, Jack, 286 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: we got like six billion dollars we could round up 287 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: for medicaid. Hey, why not use that or whatever? Considering 288 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: your point a very valid one finite amount of dollars 289 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: and an infant number of needs and demands on government 290 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: to use that money for all, right, this sounds to me, Jack, 291 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: if I was in front of a classroom, if I 292 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: was an educator, this topic sounds like a wonderful Civics 293 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: lesson opportunity. You can explain the concept of federal laws 294 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: and federal supremacy. You can talk about the concept of 295 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: the laws that are on the books regarding who is 296 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: lawfully in our country and who is not. Now, then 297 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: you subset and say we can have a disagreement on 298 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: the state of the law. We could argue about whether 299 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: that's a good law or a bad law, and we 300 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: can make decisions in a democratic society representative form of government, 301 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: of course, giving an opportunity to talk about that to 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: elect people who will either abide by that because we 303 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: like it or change it because we This is how 304 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: it works. Though the FEDS are allowed to do this. 305 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: I am maybe personally against it, but it is lawful. 306 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: That's a great civics lesson. 307 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be a great you should teach that. 308 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: You should go teach that, because at the end of 309 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: the day, that's what I've been screaming for weeks. You 310 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: have the legislative branch that makes laws, the executive branch 311 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: that enforces laws, and the judicial branch that handles the squabbles. 312 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: These guys, these agents are actually going out and enforcing 313 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: the law. That's their constitutional prerogative that these are laws 314 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: that have been enacted by Congress. And so we can 315 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: squabble over a warrant signed by a judge versus a 316 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: warrant signed by an administrator. But at the end of 317 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: the day, even the courts have said, if it is 318 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: a you know, final pickup, they have the authority, even 319 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: with an administrative warrant, to go in and do that. 320 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: And I'm going to remind people, Brian, I didn't think 321 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: I was going to go down this alley, but I will. 322 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: The number one issue when we talk about the bad 323 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: people being here are gang members, right, yeah? MS thirteen 324 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: trendy Arragua. Well guess what the wheelhouse for those gang 325 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: members ages fifteen to twenty three? And I will remind 326 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: you we picked up a twenty three year old gang 327 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: member in Perry'sburg, Ohio who was posing as a sixteen 328 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: year old student in the school. So to pretend like 329 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: we're going after innocent children is not the full story. 330 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes there are gang members in the school, and shame 331 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: on the schools for not doing their due diligence to 332 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: make sure that the student enrolled is the actual student. 333 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: Jeez, Louized you know here, I was thinking maybe they 334 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: were just going into schools to get educators who are 335 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: unlawfully in our country who may have been convicted of 336 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: child molestation or something. You got adults going to your 337 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: high school. Isn't that something political stripe, regardless that you 338 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: don't want to have happening. I would think most people 339 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: logically and reasonably would say yeah, But we don't live 340 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: in a logical and reasonable time, Jack windsor pivoting over 341 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: the man. I have been impressed by vvik Ramasome ever 342 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: since I interviewed him. At his book Woke Incorporated. Brilliant 343 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: Manny is demonstrably successful, proven businessman, has solutions, has answers, 344 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: knows how business works, knows where the problems are that 345 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: we all face, the struggles with the regulatory structure, et cetera, 346 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: et cetera. So not a proven political candidate, but a proven, 347 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: demonstrably competent man who can manage conversation too. Boy, he 348 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: is brilliant when it comes to conversation. Jack, you interviewed 349 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: him the other day. What was your takeaway? 350 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: My takeaway, There's an old proverb that comes to mind. 351 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: Where there is no vision, the people will perish. And 352 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: vivek Ramaswami has a vision. He has a vision for 353 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: bold change and many people are attracted to that vision. 354 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: One of the things we talked about in the interview 355 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: yesterday is his gubernatorial fundraising records nine point eight million 356 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: in the second half of twenty twenty five, pushing the 357 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: total for the year to nearly twenty million dollars heading 358 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: into twenty twenty six. That is a boatload of money. 359 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: And then to your point about him being a political outsider, 360 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: I asked him, why did you choose Senate President Rob 361 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: McCully as your running mate, and he said Senate President 362 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: McCully is a strong leader who's well respected by the 363 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: members of the General Assembly Ohio, and not only brings 364 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: geographical balance, but he has the ability to go to 365 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: lawmakers and make the changes on the lawbooks that we'll 366 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: need so that we're not just implementing changes by executive order. 367 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: And last time I talked to it's kind of funny 368 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: you brought that element of Jack is because I said, 369 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: so he knows the sausage making process, right, Yeah, that's it. 370 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I've been outsider. He's been through this whole time. 371 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: He's a well oiled machine to get the stuff run through. 372 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: It'll be a great one two punch, and I embrace 373 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: him for that, Jack Windsor keep up the great work, man. 374 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: I check out your site all the time for my listeners. 375 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: Again the Ohio Press Network, Joe Strek will put dot com. 376 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Joe Strek will put a link up to that on 377 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: my blog page fifty five cars dot com, along with 378 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: a link to this conversation. 379 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: Jack. 380 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: I welcome the opportunity to have you back on the 381 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: fifty five Carsite morning show. So have a great week, 382 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. Be safe out there, try to 383 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: stay off the road, stay warm, and we will talk 384 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: very soon.