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Speaker 1: I guess you can just follow me on Twitter? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's send me a message on Twitter. Boy, we're moving

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Speaker 1: more penguin stuff?

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Speaker 2: Wait, just a threat?

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Speaker 1: Oh Vertz gets the shot blocked? Flows playing is German? Heine?

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Speaker 1: I guess they call it off. Last couple games, okay.

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Speaker 1: Staying with hockey, Peng was at Calgary tonight. Calgary sucks,

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Speaker 1: but the Peng was lost to at home a couple

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Speaker 2: No Carlson No, well, I take that back. My notes

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Speaker 1: No Carlson tonight, although he's apparently not far from which

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Speaker 1: I figured having made the trip, and all Latang, there's

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Speaker 1: Latang tonight, wait, the time played? The time played to

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Speaker 1: if you don't have Carlson and Latang, that could really

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Speaker 2: I don't know who would be on the top power play.

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Speaker 1: Well I do know it would be Kulak and he

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Speaker 1: Carlson Latang can't play's time to gut out like a

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Speaker 1: two to one win or something, get a loser point. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: you are going to get slaughtered, slaughtered, slaughtered at Edmonton

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. That's just how it's gonna work. Because McDavid's

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Speaker 1: on a tear and he always plays his sour puss

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Speaker 1: He needs to play Crosby in a game six or

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Speaker 1: seven of a Stanley Cup final, might do better. Uh, listen,

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Speaker 2: It's not a good division.

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Speaker 1: With the Rangers having totally collapsed, I think that's doable.

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Speaker 1: They're just two points out a second. Right now, you

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Speaker 1: know who's dead last in the Eastern Conference, Mike Sullivan

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Speaker 1: and the New York Rangers. You know who's dead last.

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Speaker 1: In the Western Conference, Gmjr. And the Vancouver Canucks. We

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Speaker 1: made you too, We made you No, that's obviously not true,

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of odd. We could keep talking about

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Speaker 1: the Steeler coaching search right now. It feels like McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: If they do that, they're running it back. If it's Shula,

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Speaker 1: they're running it back with the disclaimer. If it's four

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Speaker 1: is that is just a terrible mistake. Oh, Mike Defabo,

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Speaker 1: who is on fire with his content at the athletic.

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Speaker 1: He put together some snats from this past season on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and every picture does tell a story. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers played eight games this season. Rogers did against the

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Speaker 1: Rogers had a completion percentage of fifty nine point one,

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Speaker 1: the other teams, Rogers' completion percentage was sixty nine point two,

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Speaker 1: That's great work by the breaking that down, and it

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Speaker 1: off all year. Rogers wasn't all that good. He just

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Speaker 1: him back. Oh God, Joe Gomes, who's never scored for

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Speaker 1: So the point being, I don't want McCarthy to run

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Speaker 1: That was boring once. It would be even more boring

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Speaker 1: moving forward. That number to call again for calls on

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about that a little bit later, but right now,

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Speaker 1: Those stats that the FABO put up at the Athletic

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Speaker 1: I can see why Rogers struggled in that game. But

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Speaker 2: He was. Just just wasn't.

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Speaker 1: He has the big name and everyone's excited of Aaron

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Speaker 3: What up? What up?

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Speaker 2: Mine?

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Speaker 4: me there. But I want to ask you this. You

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Speaker 4: trend of his tenure was, Well, the.

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Speaker 1: Most damaging decision he did was drafting Kenny Pickett. That's

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Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think something, I think something.

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Speaker 1: He did that philosophically, I didn't like that he always

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Speaker 1: And I I decried that almost from the day he

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Speaker 1: sure that that Kyleer wasn't guilty of that, albeit to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he did, he did. Yeah, Tom Blind the lookal

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Speaker 4: writers would poke at him about that. Wouldn't they when

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Speaker 2: I appreciate. I just thought.

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Speaker 1: I just thought, I just thought his general preference for

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Speaker 3: Hey, what up, Mark?

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to get your opinion on what's going

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Speaker 6: on with the Pens.

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Speaker 4: I think they're in a.

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Speaker 6: Real tough situation because there's a bad division.

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Speaker 2: But we are promised the young guys, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I know Rutger had some Can we lose them? I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I wish they had stuck with the

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Speaker 2: You know, the agent bullied the Penguins.

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Speaker 6: M Hey, Mark, how you doing right thinking about this?

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Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy hiring it that happens?

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Speaker 6: Is this like more of a win now, the can

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Speaker 6: of the rebuild.

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Speaker 4: Down the road a little longer, or what you're feeling

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Speaker 4: on it?

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Speaker 2: It's always win now, It's always win now.

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Speaker 1: This team crucifies itself on the on on the cross

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Speaker 1: of now for the last decade and have paid a

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Speaker 1: Art field His ownership tenure is being discredited by their

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just want to rebuild to happen.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the best thing that could happen would be for

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Speaker 1: would be the best thing that could happen, better than

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Speaker 1: one playoff game. What would you rather do next year, sir?

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Speaker 1: Win one playoff game in draft arch Manning? Or would

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Speaker 4: You tell me, I completely agree with the four and thirteen.

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Speaker 6: I'm buve been saying it for two or three.

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Speaker 1: You want to know, you want to know what foreign

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Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk Steelers coaching search, Indiana title

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Speaker 1: fellow read Mike de Corsi. Mike, who would you pick

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Speaker 5: Works out right exactly exactly the way I would approach it.

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Speaker 5: And look, they see those guys, they see the young

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Speaker 2: You'll love.

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Speaker 1: If you made me pick who the coach should be

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Speaker 1: That would be it would be a little better than

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00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: a lateral move for him, but not a ton better.

443
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 6: Oh no, I mean you get OC.

444
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: That's how you get to where you want to go,

445
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 5: whether it's head coach or whatever. I think, plus the

446
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 5: fact that you get to really you get like a

447
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 5: blank slate kind of with this group. You get some talent,

448
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 5: and you get a good, solid offensive line, and then

449
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 5: you get to design the offense based on the quarterback

450
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 5: that's brought in, whoever that might be.

451
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 6: I think that that would be a positive.

452
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: I mean, you could stick around and be passing game

453
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: coordinator for the Rams, but then you have to wait

454
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 5: for the OC to get a head shop.

455
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 6: Somewhere for you to get that break.

456
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 5: And I think he would be tempted if, especially if

457
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 5: he likes Shula and respects him and they have a

458
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 5: good relationship, and that offer were forthcoming, I think that

459
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 5: he would be tempted.

460
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: I want to talk a bit about the game Monday night,

461
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: the college football Playoff Championship. A lot of people say

462
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: Indiana football is the greatest sports story of all time.

463
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: I've really seen that said. I disagree. I think I

464
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: do think it's a real good story. You think it's

465
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: the greatest sports story of all time.

466
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 6: In the sense of improbability. I think the way I've no.

467
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: No miracle on ice, give me a break, Mike.

468
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 6: This was more improbable than that.

469
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 5: No. It was because, yes, because Indiana football was so

470
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: awful for so long, and they had to they had

471
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 5: to sustain, over sixteen weeks and over two seasons, a

472
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 5: degree of excellence that they never even hinted that they

473
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 5: hadn't won.

474
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 6: A bowl game since nineteen ninety one.

475
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, as amazing

476
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 5: as the miracle on Ice was, and I'm not diminishing it,

477
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: the differentiator for me is the fact that they First

478
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: of all, they didn't have to qualify it because the

479
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 5: games were here, so they were in automatically, and then

480
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 5: they had and then they were right into the semis,

481
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: so they could focus a lot. Once they got past

482
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 5: Sweden and Czechoslovakia, they were able to focus a lot

483
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: on that one game, that Soviet Union game, and they

484
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: did a masterful job at that. Two people with great

485
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: Penguins connections, Herb Brooks and Craig Patrick, did a great

486
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 5: job with that team of making them ready and making

487
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 5: them believe. And then the players executed that night. But

488
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 5: it only had to be that one night they had

489
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 5: to pull one upset.

490
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, Mike. I mean, here's the differentiator for me.

492
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: The US college kids beating the Soviet Pros in nineteen

493
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: eighty is the equivalent of this year's Indiana team beating

494
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: the Steelers of the seventies.

495
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 6: I like that analogy. That's a good one.

496
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 5: I'm you know, it's hard to say because those Soviet Pros,

497
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: while they did play exhibition games against.

498
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 6: Great teams of great Canadian.

499
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 5: Players, in particular, they never had to play a team

500
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 5: like I don't.

501
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 6: Know who was great. Then the Canadians.

502
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 5: Let's say whoever was winning Stanley Cups then the Flyers,

503
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 5: the the.

504
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: Canadians of that specific era of segueing into the Islanders.

505
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, and so they never had to play really

506
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 5: connected together teams like that, and so how were they

507
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: as great as the reputation I think is fair, but

508
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: it helps.

509
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 6: To shine the the.

510
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 5: New yorklon Ice legend to believe they were the best

511
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 5: team in the world.

512
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 6: They'd ever had to play Stanley cupp No.

513
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: They were the best team in the world, Mike, they

514
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: were the best team in the world.

515
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 6: They weren't.

516
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 5: I'm saying they never had to prove it in the

517
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 5: in the same way that other best teams in the world.

518
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Now, the previous year they wiped out the NHL All

519
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: Stars two Games.

520
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 6: All Stars All Stars. That's my point.

521
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: Well, moving on, because we're not going to agree on

522
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: this one, not as in give legitimate hope to other

523
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: lesser programs, or is Indiana gonna be the exception that

524
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: proves the rule.

525
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 5: I think that they will give irrational belief to many

526
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 5: programs that hey, well they could do it, why aren't

527
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: we doing it right? And oh then our coach clearly

528
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 5: isn't good enough, even if the coach clearly is good enough,

529
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 5: that a lot of coaches are gonna lose their their

530
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 5: jobs over well.

531
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: All right, this puts major heat on coaches across college football,

532
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: no question.

533
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: Yes, And and that's you know, that's gonna be the thing.

534
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 5: It's not gonna be Well, what he did was unique

535
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: and special, and he hit a special moment, and he's

536
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: exceptional and all of that. It's gonna be why aren't

537
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 5: we doing what they did? And that's gonna be a

538
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 5: problem for a lot of programs, especially those programs that

539
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: should be that good, like Alabama, uh and and Ohio State.

540
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 6: I don't think that.

541
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: Whereas Ohio State often got agitated when they were losing

542
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 5: to Michigan, they lose a few more to Indiana and

543
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 5: they're gonna be unhappy.

544
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: So it is.

545
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: It is that sense it what they did. Some of

546
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 5: it came from his ability to bring a lot of

547
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: players with him from James Madison, who were clearly an

548
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 5: outstanding team, and to supplement that with other high quality

549
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 5: players from other places like Fernando Mendoza from California, and

550
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: and then be able to take advantage of all that,

551
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 5: and they did that, but it's not Is it replicable? Yeah,

552
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 5: but there's no formula, So how do you replicate it?

553
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: How good will Mendozou be in the NFL?

554
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: He is acclaimed is the obvious number one pick, and

555
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I just don't think he's a

556
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: nailed on franchise quarterback. I think the best I can

557
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: do is probable.

558
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: What say you?

559
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: And part of it is because we know it's probably

561
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: he's probably going to Oakland and Las Vegas, the Raiders.

562
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 6: The Vegas. Yes, I'll never I'll never break that habit.

563
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: I'll try, but I should just say the Raiders and

564
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 5: never specify where they were because they've literally had like

565
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: four locations in my life.

566
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: That's true.

567
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: So I will say that I think that he's a

568
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 5: terrific talent, and if he were going to a situation

569
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 5: that I really trusted, I would say that he will

570
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 5: be outstanding. I don't think he's as physically gifted as

571
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 5: say Josh Allen, but I think he's really smart and

572
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 5: I think he's really competitive. You saw that on the run,

573
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: the touchdown run. He really wants to be great. But

574
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: there's the challenge of being a part of an organization

575
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: that has failed over and over and over again. And

576
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 5: I know Tom Brady's there to help try to get

577
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 5: the failure out of the system, but it's not as easy.

578
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 6: If it were as easy as.

579
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: Just bringing in a superstar and all of a sudden

580
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 5: that's gonna be the case that you're gonna start winning games,

581
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 5: then the only people that would have jobs in these leagues,

582
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: like Michael Jordan would be the greatest coach in NBA.

583
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: His Oh and he was such a bad executive.

584
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly my point.

585
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: He's not only not a great coach, he's not he

586
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 5: wasn't a good GM slash president either.

587
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: Uh here, let me throw this out there to wrap

588
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: things up, Mike, cause it's the Steelers are looking for quarterback.

589
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: And I'm a big believer that no matter where you draft,

590
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: they should do what the Patriots do, which is keep

591
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: throwing it at the wall until something stick. Case in point,

592
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: they drafted Mac Jones, didn't work out, drafted Drake May

593
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: a couple of years later. I think the Steelers should

594
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: have gone back to the well after Picket washed out.

595
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: What about taking Drew Aller in the third round or

596
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: wherever he drops to.

597
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.

598
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 5: I think you want to, especially when you consider that

599
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: they're probably going to have multiple third round picks. I mean,

600
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: they do have thirteen picks, I believe is the number

601
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: in this craft. So you can take a flyer on

602
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: somebody like that, you probably you probably will have multiple

603
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: picks in the third round, even if one of them

604
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 5: is at the very end into the round, you probably

605
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: will have multiple picks in that in that spot.

606
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: And if somebody like that falls to you, then why not.

607
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 5: I mean I thought Tyler Shott had a chance if

608
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: the Steelers just didn't have a chance at him unless

609
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: they went in R one. They did, they because they

610
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: didn't have a second round pick.

611
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: In this past year's draft, if I remember correctly.

612
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 5: So so you couldn't get to him unless you committed everything.

613
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 6: And they knew they needed to fix the.

614
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: Run game, and they and and Tyler was a was

615
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: not a sure thing. And I'm still I'm still not

616
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: positive he is a sure thing. But he had a

617
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 5: nice rookie year on a bad team.

618
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: Oh No.

619
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: But my point is I think they need to, like

620
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I said, pro crap at the wall, I don't think

621
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: they can just take one shot in that this year's

622
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: draft or next year's draft and say this is the

623
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: guy for sure.

624
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: Look would that got them with picking?

625
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

626
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: No, I I could not agree with you more whether

627
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: or not Aler is the right player.

628
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 6: Uh, A player like that Kate klub Nick maybe.

629
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

630
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: There were moments when I liked what Kate did did

631
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 5: even in the Penn State game, and they started throwing picks,

632
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: and then you're like, well, that's why he's not a one.

633
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 6: But there there could be somebody out there, somebody that began.

634
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: The year as part of what was being considered a

635
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: high level draft quarterback class and then ended the year

636
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: as someone that people were thinking as a middle to

637
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: late round pick that would be worth that.

638
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

639
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Mike, before we wrap this up, Liverpool with a

640
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: free kick in a dangerous spot.

641
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: You're watching, correct?

642
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: I am?

643
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: Okay?

644
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Don't if you might be ahead of me, so don't

645
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: say anything. Let me react. I'm the play by play guy.

646
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: You can do color. Are you ready?

647
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 6: Okay?

648
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: Here we go, Ready, dom Sola stand over it.

649
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 6: Yes, it's going to be.

650
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, Mike, there you go. What do you

651
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: think did did you really did that?

652
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 6: Is that really what happened?

653
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Because we still have two guys here on Paramount plus

654
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 5: in Mars, we still have two guys over the ball.

655
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: And keep watching, keep watching, keep watching. Let me know,

656
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: let me know. I want you to see it.

657
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: Oh yes, I see. Yes, it went right under the right,

658
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 6: under the line.

659
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: There you go, the old.

660
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: Under the wall kick sobasly makes it one nil in

661
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the forty fifth minute.

662
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Mike, great stuff. You got us to lead. I value that.

663
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: We'll talk again next week.

664
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 6: Thanks Mark.

665
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: That's that's uh Mike the course, he sobers line with

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Speaker 1: halftime approaches. Mike, brought to us by south Fields Kia.

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