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Speaker 1: Right across the table, right now, Charlie Goldsmith, how are you, Charlie?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Tony im Doom? Well? Are you happy to be back

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Speaker 1: What did you miss most Skyline? Okay, smart Man, our

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Speaker 1: friends at Skyline Chili. Let's just start with with yesterday, Charlie,

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Speaker 3: They faced eight innings of truly elite pitching. I think

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Speaker 1: All right, rolling along our number one thanks to Skyline Chili.

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Speaker 1: It is Sincy three sixty with Charlie Goldsmith in studio

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Speaker 1: with us till one thirty this afternoon. There was Charlie

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool. And Abbot's mentioned that conversation at least

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Speaker 3: Like I think we all can relate to that, Like

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Speaker 2: And I don't have many more chances.

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Speaker 3: But also, he's a guy who's playing more left field

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Speaker 1: anything else from yesterday's game specifically that that stood out

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Speaker 1: or is worth noting of what you saw from being there?

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Speaker 3: Stuart Abbott, are you let me get to this the

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Speaker 3: ABS system? I mean I said to you guys, like

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Speaker 3: you could do a full segment on strategy, and I

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Speaker 3: think we could do that, like I think we could

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Speaker 3: do that today based on how we saw it. Swing

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Speaker 3: Phillips is in there was a spot I believe in

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Speaker 3: the fourth It was one of Gino's at bats where

447
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 3: it was going to be a full count and in

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Speaker 3: full counts, Geno has like an eight point five All

449
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Speaker 3: Star caliber or point eight five All Star caliber ops. Yeah,

450
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Speaker 3: and he just doesn't get that swing anymore because the

451
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Speaker 3: challenge took away that full count opportunity and he struck out.

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Speaker 3: And then even Stevenson's challenges like that created a cool

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Speaker 3: buzz and and energy in the park, so.

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Speaker 1: That Stevens was likeero point three of an inch or

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Speaker 1: something off. The play too, is incredible.

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Speaker 3: That could have swung that game. And there are gonna

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Speaker 3: be moments like that. You can say, hey, you know

458
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 3: the threads ended the game of challenges in their pockets?

459
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Speaker 3: Should they have been more aggressive using them?

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Speaker 2: Like you can?

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Speaker 3: Should they have used the more when the more susceptible

462
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Speaker 3: pitchers were in the game, Like, you can play this

463
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Speaker 3: game and go through it all day, and the teams

464
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Speaker 3: that use the strategy the best will win more games.

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Speaker 1: The people that I was sitting by as like casual fans,

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Speaker 1: I think we're taken back a little bit by how

467
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Speaker 1: quick the replay goes, like when you see the umpire

468
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: walking out, like, oh, here we go, and then boom,

469
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Speaker 1: you're right back into it. So I think the overall

470
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Speaker 1: speed and the easiest of which it happens, I think

471
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Speaker 1: is gonna lend a powerful hand as well.

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Speaker 4: There were times in spring training where I was like, gosh,

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Speaker 4: this is taking too long, and I think it was

474
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Speaker 4: just the facilities there maybe not as up to date

475
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Speaker 4: or ready to go as a major league ballpark was,

476
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Speaker 4: but I was very impressed with it yesterday. And to

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Speaker 4: your point, Charlie, Like there is an anticipation, everybody kind

478
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Speaker 4: of leans in on their seat to say, Okay, here

479
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Speaker 4: we go. How close was this? And there was some

480
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Speaker 4: electric moments, I felt like, But.

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Speaker 3: Like you can talk about how it impacted Phillips and

482
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Speaker 3: that inning and what that meant for the game. The

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Speaker 3: other side of that coin is the fact that the

484
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Speaker 3: Red Sox didn't waste challenges early in the game ended

485
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Speaker 3: up being huge. Like you could, if you're Alex Kor

486
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Speaker 3: give a high five to everyone in that lineup for

487
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Speaker 3: not wasting challenges and making sure you have that challenge

488
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 3: remaining in your back pocket entering the ninth Like, there

489
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Speaker 3: are all these little moments where your strategy shapes how

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Speaker 3: the game ends up playing out.

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Speaker 2: And again, the teams that do that the best will

492
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Speaker 2: find value.

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Speaker 1: In the margin.

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Speaker 4: Have the Reds defined what their strategy is or they're

495
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Speaker 4: keeping that close to the best.

496
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Speaker 3: No, pretty I have a pretty good feel for it.

497
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Speaker 3: They've talked about leverage. I mean, they've talked about important spots.

498
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Speaker 3: They've talked about saving them for lake game scenarios and

499
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Speaker 3: not being too aggressive early. They're one of the teams

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Speaker 3: that's not letting their pitchers challenge. Their big line is

501
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: no emotional challenges. I would say that is the thesis statement.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can see Tito getting on a guy

503
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: who's frustrated and feels like he needs a hit and

504
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: ends up wasting a challenge. Like that's something they really

505
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 3: harped on, and then it's something the catchers are really

506
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Speaker 3: taking to heart. Stevenson told me yesterday that he expects

507
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Speaker 3: to use it more defensively than offensively, which is ironic

508
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Speaker 3: because he was the red writer who challenged yesterday. But

509
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Speaker 3: so you can see them trying to play the game

510
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Speaker 3: almost like they like to say the harpy of the

511
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Speaker 3: game to dictating.

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Speaker 4: Any think there are teams that are like, no challenges

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Speaker 4: before the fifth no matter what I think.

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Speaker 2: There was some Triple A team who did that. Obviously

515
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Speaker 2: this is using Triple AY.

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Speaker 3: The Brewers had a green card system where before the

517
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Speaker 3: pitch a coach was like the challenges on and then

518
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Speaker 3: the league knicksed that and said that's too much information

519
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Speaker 3: that we're not going to allow that. But the Brewers

520
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: have alluded to the fact that like, there are other

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Speaker 3: ways we can communicate that. Some teams are going to

522
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Speaker 3: make this very scientific and say all right, we like

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Speaker 3: a fourth down decision bot and just go with the bot.

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Speaker 3: I think based on what the reads have said, there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be an analytics component, but more of.

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Speaker 4: A feel compos they do they have someone like on

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Speaker 4: staff who's like really working on this throughout the course

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Speaker 4: of the season, or like in the dugout or anything

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Speaker 4: that is not not yet.

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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna change.

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Speaker 3: I think that would be a perfect use of Mike

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Speaker 3: Napoli because he's a guy who can say, hey, you know,

533
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Speaker 3: player cks bad challenge.

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Speaker 2: He can see the game as a catcher.

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Speaker 3: He has that toughness and that credibility in the dugout

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Speaker 3: to be able to do that as a former player.

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Speaker 3: It's Bill Hasselman the new catching coaches responsibility right now,

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Speaker 3: but most of what he's done has been just kind

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Speaker 3: of educating the catchers on it. The answer really is no,

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Speaker 3: And I asked that specifically to Tito. There's not a

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Speaker 3: there's not a Sam Francis, there's not a challenge coach.

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Speaker 1: I bet that changes before the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen challenges across Major League Baseball yesterday, nine of them

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Speaker 1: being successful. The Minnesota Twins had three one challenges in

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Speaker 1: one game yesterday, So obviously teams are going to use

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Speaker 1: it and all the help they can get and help

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Speaker 1: it at their disposal and in many different ways. We

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Speaker 1: got plenty more with Charlie Goldsmith. Another half hour with

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Speaker 1: to your talkbacks. Here now a number two, Charlie, Let's

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Speaker 1: start with this Nicolodolo the blisters. This is something I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk with Bob Mangeen at Novacare today about.

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Speaker 1: Is there a concern around Nicolodolo because you're now starting

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Speaker 1: the season and the blisters are already issue and we've

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Speaker 1: not yet gotten into June and July and those hot months.

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Speaker 1: How much of an issue could this become for Nickelodolo?

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Speaker 2: I think there's no idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's kind of the weird thing about this,

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Speaker 3: this blister issues, Like your hands are kind of tide.

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00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: If your Nick, if you're the Reds, you feel like

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Speaker 3: you have already done everything you could. They were trying

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00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: red light therapy to simulate cell growth. You know, people

598
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: talk about Nick filing the He's like I already have

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00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: a callous like I truly and the Reds have said this,

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Speaker 3: like they don't know what more else they can do.

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Speaker 3: So is the blister issue now out of the way,

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00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: because he's gotten it early and it'll tough, tough and

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00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: over and be in a good spot for the season.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't know that they have

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Speaker 3: an idea. I saw Nick throw yesterday. He's gonna keep throwing.

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00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Tito said that there wasn't like a set rehab date yet.

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00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: I don't get the sense this is going to be

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00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: too long term. But the blister is truly what is

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00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: holding Nick back from being rightfully so viewed as one

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Speaker 3: of the best young lefties in the game.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's so worrisome too, because it can

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00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: pop up at any time. And that's the thing for

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Speaker 1: a picture. You feel discomfort in your arm, or feel

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00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: discomfort in your lower body. Okay, we got a blister.

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Speaker 1: It just it just feels like something that can come

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Speaker 1: on so quick and be a devastating setback for this team.

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Speaker 3: And what was weird about this one was he usually

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Speaker 3: gets these in August, like July August, like there have

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Speaker 3: been a schedule to get it in March. And I

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Speaker 3: think a part of that was the insane heat that

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Speaker 3: they were playing through to the point where it's like,

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Speaker 3: should they almost have just had Nick throw an air

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Speaker 3: conditioned to bullpen to not even risk anything with the blister,

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know, but maybe like to the heat.

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Speaker 2: I think has been the biggest predictor.

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Speaker 3: But it's something that like there is no science here,

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: Like it's something that you can't really figure out.

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Speaker 4: Is does it have anything to do with the grip

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Speaker 4: of his slider specifically? Would that be like the next

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Speaker 4: possible thing? And obviously he doesn't want to do that,

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Speaker 4: but if that continues to keep him off the field,

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Speaker 4: would he be open minded to that?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he should be.

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Speaker 3: Right And I've talked to Nick about this, like that

635
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: sliders what makes him special, right one? And so all right,

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00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: if you change your grip now you're like just not

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00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: as good. Also, he changed his slider grip in twenty

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00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: twenty four, he like overcompensated to adjust and put less

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00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: wear and tear on where the blister was occurring. And

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Speaker 3: that is the specific reason why he suffered a season

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Speaker 3: ending finger injury to his ring finger or to his eye,

642
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: either his ring or his middle finger.

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time keeping that together.

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00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: But Nick, over compensating adjusts his grip and still trying

645
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: to throw the best version of his slider. That's what

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: ended his season in twenty twenty four. So he can't

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder as well, because we saw this when he

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00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: was in the minors, we've seen it multiple times since

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Speaker 1: he's been with the big league squad. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: this is something early in the process of high school

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Speaker 1: or college. Did he suffer with it then? Is it

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Speaker 1: something that developed after the fact, like when you're watching

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Speaker 1: or recruiting or thinking about a player you're gonna take,

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Speaker 1: are you taking into account or are these an issue

656
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Speaker 1: that has been prevalent in high school in college that

657
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Nickolodolo has dealt with.

658
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know, but I bet a part of

659
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: that too, is like Nickolodolo's breaking ball, which causes it

660
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: is something that developed over time, and as you get older,

661
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: inevitably you'll start spinning the ball stronger. You'll be stronger,

662
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: your pitches will have more force.

663
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: You're putting more.

664
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: Every pitch matters more, so there's that extra oomph. It

665
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: all ties together. What about salth Stewart. He took that

666
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: line drive to the risk hand yesterday. It looked terrible.

667
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: I can't believe he stayed in the game and then

668
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: performed as well as he did after the game. What

669
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: did he say after the game about that? Basically, it

670
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: was like I asked if it was broke. Excuse me,

671
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: Sal said all on the field, like he asked, is

672
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: it broken? And they said no, and they're like and

673
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: he's like, all right, cool, Like I'm in, Like I'm fine.

674
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: I know they were gonna get it. They checked it

675
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: during the game. They were going to check it again today.

676
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: There's always concern specifically with risks, Like we just saw

677
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: Jackson Curio go on the IL with a wrist injury

678
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: that he technically suffered in the WBC. Like again, hopefully

679
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 3: it all develops great, but they're gonna have to check

680
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: him again to make sure it's all clear.

681
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: Uh the status or what the plan is? Do we

682
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: know as much at this point of how they're going

683
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: to handle Hunter Green going forward.

684
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Hunter is going to be in Arizona.

685
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: I'd like to give a shout out right now to

686
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: rehab coordinator Eric Gonzalez, kind of like the under the

687
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: radar huge guy. He is the rehab coordinator for Arizona.

688
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: And I talked to Rhet Louder, Brandon Williamson, Burns, Carson

689
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: Spires during spring just about how great he was with them,

690
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: because that's not easy being in Arizona's one hundred and

691
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: twenty degrees. You're away from the team, you feel removed,

692
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: You're you're you've got to be sad. You know you're

693
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: on the IL, you're on the sixty day IL usually

694
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: and he has done a very very good job with

695
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: those guys. So Hunter will be working with Eric in

696
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: Phoenix or Goodyear until mid May. In May, there will

697
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: be conversations as he ramps up the throwing program of

698
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: having him do that with the big league staff with

699
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: the team, but those are decisions that will be made

700
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: in May.

701
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Other name on the list Caleb Ferguson with the oblique

702
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: for those that aren't familiar. How important is he or

703
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: is he viewed as a big part of this this

704
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: bullpen for the Reds.

705
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: When they signed and Tito literally called him and said, man,

706
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: you were in need for us? Yeah against sim Mal

707
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: like really impressed me yesterday And that was a really

708
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: nice decision by Tito.

709
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: But that's what they signed Ferguson to do.

710
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: Like they put mall In down a run, not high

711
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: leverage technically, but in my opinion, high leverage, close game

712
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: right there in the balance, top of the lineup. Give

713
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: me a left handed specialist and Ferguson is a guy.

714
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: Look at his track record. He is a good left

715
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: handed specialist on very good teams. Like he just does

716
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: that and he fills that clear role for the Reds.

717
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Uh, Let's get one more break in while we have.

718
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: Charlie will come back and we'll wrap with Charlie at

719
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: one thirty talkbacks.

720
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: After that, we got to ask him about the clock.

721
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: We've got to know about Charlie Stoughts on the clock

722
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: next ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Day, rolling along since

723
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: he three to sixty. Charlie Goldsmith with us here for

724
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: one more segment and we have to finish this with

725
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Votto clock. Yeah, before we get

726
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: to that and off day today for the Reds. We

727
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: know what the we talked earlier about the lineup and

728
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: the potential against Sonny Gray, a right hander as opposed

729
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: to a lefty, the pitching rotation and the way it's

730
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: been set because of Hunter Green and Nicolodolo. Tomorrow will

731
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: be Brater, Brady Singer, Rhett Louder, Chase Burns, Brandon Williamson.

732
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Just talk a little bit about what you saw from

733
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the rotation as they get set out

734
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: to make their first starts.

735
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: I think Brady kind of gets a bit miscategorized a

736
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: bit because we talk about you know what you're gonna

737
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 3: get from Brady. I actually think while you know what

738
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: you're getting from an innings perspective, there were games last

739
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: year where his stuff was just awesome. I think it

740
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: was like thirteen starts of six plus innings to a

741
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: fewer runs. Then he had like three terrible days. So

742
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 3: you know the innings you're getting, but I'm always interested

743
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: to see just how the stuff looks and what that

744
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: can mean for the upside of the rotation. I think

745
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: a sneaky smart move from Tito was after Lodolo got removed,

746
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: he then pushed Louder up to make sure that the

747
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: Red Sox didn't face Burns. Because the Red Sox clearly

748
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: have something on Chase Burns, so Chase will now face

749
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: the Pirates. I'd also like to give a shout out

750
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: to Jose Franco, who is the long man in the

751
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: reds bullpen. Now it's not a six for five situation.

752
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: He is kind of a true long length guy. Probably

753
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: he'd pitch in a loss. It would be his big

754
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: league debut. Kind of broke out out of nowhere after

755
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Tommy John big presence, big energy, throws hard, huge and

756
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: huge personality. One of my favorite quotes of the Spring

757
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: was Chase telling me, Chase, excuse me, Chase Petty said,

758
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm from New Jersey, He's from Venezuela, but he's.

759
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: One of my best friends on the planet. You don't

760
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: get to see anything because of Brandon Williamson in the

761
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: time he missed. Rhet Louder missed a lot of time.

762
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: How much of an unknown is the back end of

763
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: this rotation right now? Which at one point with Hunter

764
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: Green and Nickelodola, you wondered, how is there going to

765
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: be enough spots for these guys now they're being thrust

766
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: into the starting rotation. What did you see from a

767
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: Brandon Williamson and a Reht Louder in Spring?

768
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: Well, first, let me say I think the underdiscussed story

769
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: of the Spring was Chase Burns was searching for a while,

770
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: like he kind of lost it in terms of it

771
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: being like rolling momentum all that kind of stuff. The

772
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: fast ball coman wasn't where it needed to be. There

773
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: was then the dload situation. He's not quite as build

774
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: up all built up, all the way as you'd like

775
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: him to be. I would be more concerned talking about

776
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: him right now, but it really felt like he flipped

777
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: a switch in Milwaukee.

778
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: I start.

779
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: Maybe some of it was just getting out of the desert.

780
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: Your pitch has spin better out of the desert. The

781
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 3: efficiency and command and aggression against the Burrs was key Louder.

782
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just read Louder like he's the one.

783
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: I feel like he's the one, Like you know exactly

784
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get from. He competes, he's on flappable,

785
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: he's a gamer. The pitches are underrated. And then Williams said, man,

786
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: I'm really happy for him. There was a great moment

787
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: yesterday where after pregame, you know, announcements, introductions, he pulled

788
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: Lodolo aside they're best friends, and they got a picture

789
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: and then they got another picture where they did like

790
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: the TCU horns up will sign Like, this is really

791
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: cool for Williamson to not just be back, but to

792
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: be this confident about what he can do right now

793
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: being back.

794
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: Follow up on Burns, we've heard like the routine thing

795
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: between starts and kind of figuring out how to be

796
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 4: excuse me, A big league picture, a big league starter.

797
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: Do you think this is my word? Is this the

798
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: right word?

799
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Like?

800
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: The maturity of learning how to do that is something

801
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 4: that they are working on with Chase Burns.

802
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: Maturity is not a bad thing.

803
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: Like, we don't have time right now, but I could

804
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: tell you about the story and the journey that Hunter

805
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: Green went on, that Abbott went on. Lodolo's journey was

806
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: more specifically injury related. But like even Andrew Rabbit, we

807
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: would all say, this is a very mature guy. He

808
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: had to learn what the heck he was supposed to

809
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: do between stars. Yeah, like Burns, I locked in on

810
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: him on his last workday good year, and he was

811
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 3: working a lot about like kind of his stride coming

812
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: down the mound, and Derek Johnson was very hands on

813
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: right there, kind of working on the angle and the

814
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: pacing and the timing downhill.

815
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: So they were adding that in.

816
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: And then after the bullpen he threw in the final

817
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: day of spring, he got some work in with Robin,

818
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: who you know, very talented. I believe technically she's like

819
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: the plate's instructor. I don't want to demonistrate or to

820
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: limit her title to just that She works with a

821
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: lot of that flexibility, mobility type stuff, and he was

822
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: doing some of I guess some strength is the wrong word,

823
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: but probably range of motion and athletic training with her.

824
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: So that can probably help him be where he needs

825
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: to be.

826
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: Would you do a pilates class for Fox nineteen with

827
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: you know, one of the Reds. I'm like, for a day,

828
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 4: do pilates with the Reds.

829
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pretend I was a great athlete,

830
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: but in my athletic career, plates was actually very important.

831
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: I did pilates and that helped me be the best

832
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: basketball and tennis player I could be. I didn't say

833
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: I'd be good, right. That is very hard ask ask

834
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Kyle Farmer. How hard Kyl Farmer could talk for thirty

835
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: minutes right now about that.

836
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: I think Kyle Farmer is going to start for the

837
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: Braves this year. Is is there on the mound? I

838
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: know it's early.

839
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: Do you do you start to look ahead at a

840
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: louder of Williamson and even at Chase Burns about innings,

841
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: restricts and rainings as the season goes on. Has that

842
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: all been discussed?

843
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: It's one of the fascinating stories.

844
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: Even in April, because I think Williamson had the most

845
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: normal spring of the group, so he's probably built up

846
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: the most right now, but he probably has the hardest

847
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: innings cap because he probably because he hasn't pitched in

848
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: two years. Yeah, that was a part of the whole

849
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: idea of the six for five rotation to manage these

850
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: guys innings up front. You can do less of that

851
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: without Dolo. That's where Franco factors in. It's a especially

852
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: going to be important with Burns because of the hiccups

853
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: he had in spring.

854
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully, you know, Lodola will.

855
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: Come back soon.

856
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: Green You'll come back when he comes back, and you

857
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: can manage it more in the middle that would have

858
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: liked to have probably managed a more upfront. They'll have

859
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: to manage a more upfront with Burns because of how

860
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: his spring went.

861
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: What about managing yourself? You know you've had a you've

862
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: had a long spring, and then that goes into opening

863
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: day now and off day. How much of a challenge

864
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: is it. Do you just turn everything off and get

865
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: a reset for a day.

866
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 4: I'll be fine, Okay, Okay, that's that's his way of saying,

867
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 4: I'm not turning it all off.

868
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: This is where you're pushing the throttle even heavier right now. Now.

869
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: You were busy yesterday, But on a on this show

870
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: with Moe yesterday in Austin, we all made an agreement,

871
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: a pact sure that if the Reds win the World

872
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: Series this year, that we will all be getting the

873
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: clock tattooed somewhere on our bodies.

874
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: So if we're gonna go top five fears for me,

875
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: birds are definitely up there.

876
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm not on do needles? I will.

877
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: You can take this to the bank. I will never

878
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: get a tattoo and it's not personal.

879
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: Not even if it meant a Red's World Series championship.

880
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: Austin is making a valid point as well. But I

881
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 3: don't fan. Yes, I don't know if the Bearcats.

882
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Win at all.

883
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: I think I hate needles.

884
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: That tato, we'll put you under for it.

885
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: I think I hate needles. Don't don't put them under

886
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: for it. I respect you. You're learning about me. What

887
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: is your Can we finish out the top five fears?

888
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't want to just make

889
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: stuff up.

890
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: I think it's been well documented that like I don't

891
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 3: do like sunglasses or umbrellas, Like, so those aren't fears.

892
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: Where do you stand on spiders? Let's talk about this

893
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: for a second. Tito's fear of snakes came up multiple

894
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: times this spring. He is a big snakes and I

895
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: get that. I get that he saw a snake.

896
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: Like it was the whole thing.

897
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Heights, heights, pretty good with heights. I've been to some

898
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: high heights.

899
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Okay, and you continue to a sy man. Can't be

900
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: afraid of heights when you're on the trajectory at Charlie,

901
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: what were your what was your takeaway? Is everyone to take.

902
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: Joey Voda is a really cool guy man. Joey Voda

903
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: is a really smart guy. Joey Voda is a really

904
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: thoughtful guy. Like, oh, I mean this is like it's

905
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: always personal, Like Joey has asked me more about me

906
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 3: and my story in my background than any other player

907
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 3: I've covered. Like he cares and he's that thoughtful, the

908
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: thought and the detail that went into the clock and

909
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: what it represents and everything like that.

910
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so cool.

911
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: It's so cool, and it's it's personal and it's Vado

912
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: and I I enjoy looking at it.

913
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a photo guy.

914
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: Now that we're learning about me, we're into that part

915
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: of the show.

916
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm not a big like, hey, I'm at this spot,

917
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: let's take a photo type of Cherson. I just am

918
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: more of a living the moment type guy. I like that,

919
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: but it has become the photo spot.

920
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: So you've never been like the concert goer pull your

921
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: phone out in video while the concert going on.

922
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: That is something that really upsets me.

923
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: But now there have been a few group settings in

924
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: different places where I've because of that, ended up as

925
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: a photo taker and that never sure do you have

926
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: a favorite concert, not a concert specifically, just a photo

927
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: taker at different events. A favorite concert I've been to.

928
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: I haven't been to a lot. I did go to

929
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift. Wow, that was very good. Okay man, I

930
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: think that's probably something I'd like to do more of

931
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: that I don't do okay much.

932
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: I do have to ask before we let you go

933
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: as a fan, what do you make of the higher

934
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: for UC men's basketball.

935
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: I just see so clearly with Jared Calhoun an understanding

936
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: of exactly what he wants the program to look like.

937
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: Like he was talking about a subtle adjustment he made

938
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: with the types of transfers and the tools and traits

939
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: he looks for and transfers, a shift he made heading

940
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: into this year to improve you to States defense.

941
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: Like the tinkers you make in.

942
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: March and how that translates in the portal, how that

943
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: translates the following March in the regular.

944
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: That's high level stuff.

945
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: Man.

946
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: He just seems so smart.

947
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: And then the Maverick Carter quote about Lebron James was

948
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: the best quote that I've ever seen.

949
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Pretty good. That's I mean, that's a pretty high standard.

950
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: I'm sold.

951
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: So you'll be back in attendance. I never left you

952
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: and your dad fifth Arena. He never left. He never

953
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: waivered Austin. No, he's never.

954
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 4: Never for a moment for a second, I said, stuff.

955
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 4: Now we go to the Xavier games too. I hope

956
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: that's okay. He's a ball knower.

957
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Let me ask you this, because

958
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you're around both of them, which professional organization between the

959
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: Bengals and the Reds are closer to a championship? Burrough

960
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: means a lot, okay.

961
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: Man, I have a lot of questions about this offseason

962
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: and specifically, like what I mean, we've covered all of

963
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: this in terms of linebacker and now Pitt Flack as

964
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: much as you are, but I think because of all

965
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: the questions we have, what doesn't get discussed enough is

966
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: I think this is still the best offense.

967
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

968
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, and I Austin will get one after this. There

969
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: are there are the thoughts that I do you have

970
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: a lockout after this season? In Major League Baseball? What

971
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: constitutes as a success this year as we get the

972
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixth season underway, because if you look at Vegas,

973
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people that are predicting this

974
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: team to be over five hundred with the momentum that

975
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: they need to create coming off last year and Ellie

976
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: and his deal and when that's expiring in the lockout looming,

977
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: what constitutes has a success this season?

978
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: Because of the star power and the heavy heavy favorites

979
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: at the top of the National League, you could end

980
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: up in a first round series again against the Dodgers

981
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: against the Mets. So you know, if the Reds win

982
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: eighty eight games and go up against the Mets and

983
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: lose the series, like you could see a path where

984
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: that's acceptable. My line, though, is going to be very simple.

985
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: Win a playoff game, don't get swept. Yeah, I mean

986
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: it's a three game series. Take them to game three.

987
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: Give a team like that all they can handle. Or

988
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: if you do get one of the smaller market teams,

989
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: the Brewers, maybe even the Cubs because they're in a

990
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: slightly lower tier like.

991
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: Then that's a series you have to win.

992
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: But you have to play a good playoff baseball and

993
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: see the Chips fall.

994
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: Do you have a prediction for the World Series matchup?

995
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: He thought a second about this, and I'll come up

996
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: with something right now.

997
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: I think the Yankees are really good man, And I

998
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: think the even though Aaron Judge is on pace for

999
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: seven hundred strikeouts.

1000
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: It's funny because I was having a conversation with the

1001
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 3: Reds player last September and we're talking about Aaron Judge,

1002
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: and I mean, I said great things.

1003
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: He's great.

1004
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: I had to circle back with that player and said, hey, man,

1005
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: I just looked at a few things, like it turns

1006
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: out judges like twice as good as I was giving

1007
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: him credit for.

1008
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: I just want to make.

1009
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Sure like I'm appreciating how great an judges in the

1010
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: National League.

1011
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to pick the Dodgers. That's no fun

1012
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: I'll pick the Mets. I think the Mats are really good.

1013
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.

1014
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Charlie.

1015
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: Charlie are the best man. Yeah, thanks so much.

1016
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 4: Charlie's gonna go visit his photo on the wall that

1017
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 4: we have out here that he didn't know existed.

1018
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: Charlie's photo is on the wall for an example of

1019
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: that being a good thing.

1020
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: That the great things that I follow along or do

1021
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: follow along. It's the easiest way to keep up with

1022
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: everything he got going on.

1023
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: Charlie schockboard on Substack on Fox nineteen. And then I

1024
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: hope you guys are listening to Power Stacks. I've had

1025
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: a blast with that show with Brian Eason's law.

1026
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Awesome, so awesome stuff. Charlie, thanks so much for joining us.

1027
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your off day and we'll talk

1028
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: again next week. Great seeing you guys. That's Charlie Goldsmith.

1029
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: This is since he three to sixty. Your talkbacks come

1030
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1031
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers, Bowen Yang here.

1032
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Rolling along since he three to sixty. Charlie Goldsmith with

1033
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: us here for one more segment, and we have to

1034
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: finish this with your thoughts on the Votto clock. Yeah,

1035
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: before we get to that and off day today for

1036
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: the Reds. We know what the we talked earlier about

1037
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: the lineup and the potential against Sonny Gray, a right

1038
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: hander as opposed to a lefty, the pitching rotation and

1039
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: the way it's been set because of Hunter Green and Nicolodolo.

1040
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Tomorrow we'll be Brater, Brady Singer, Rhet Louder, Chase Burns,

1041
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: Brandon Williamson. Just talk a little bit about what you

1042
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: saw from the rest of the rotation as they get

1043
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: set out to make their first starts.

1044
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 3: I think Brady gets a bit miscategorized a bit because

1045
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: we talk about you know what you're gonna get from Brady.

1046
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: I actually think while you know what you're getting from

1047
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: an innings perspective, there were games last year where his

1048
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: stuff was just awesome. I think it was like thirteen

1049
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: starts of six plus innings to a few runs. Then

1050
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: he had like three terrible days. So you know the

1051
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: innings you're getting, but I'm always interested to see just

1052
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: how the stuff looks and what that can mean for

1053
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: the upside of the rotation. I think a sneaky smart

1054
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 3: move from Tito was after Lodolo got removed. He then

1055
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: pushed Louder up to make sure that the Red Sox

1056
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: didn't face Burns, because the Red Sox clearly have something

1057
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: on Chase Burns, so Chase will now face the Pirates.

1058
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: I'd also like to give a shout out to Jose Franco,

1059
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: who is the long man in the reds bullpen. Now

1060
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: it's not a six for five situation. He is kind

1061
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: of a true long length guy. Probably he'd pitch in

1062
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: a loss. It would be his big league debut, kind

1063
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 3: of broke out out of nowhere after Tommy John big presence,

1064
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: big energy, throws hard, huge energy, huge personality. One of

1065
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: my favorite quotes of the spring was Chase telling me, Chase,

1066
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: excuse me. Chase Petty said, I'm from New Jersey, He's

1067
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: from Venezuela, but he's one of my best friends on

1068
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: the planet.

1069
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: You don't get to see anything because of Brandon Williamson

1070
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: in the time he missed, Rhet Louder missed a lot

1071
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: of time. How much of an unknown is the back

1072
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: end of this rotation right now? Which at one point

1073
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: with Hunter Green and Nickelodola, you wondered, how is there

1074
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: going to be enough spots for these guys. Now they're

1075
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: being thrust into the starting rotation. What did you see

1076
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: from a Brandon Williamson and a Ret Louder in Spring.

1077
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: Well, first, let me say, I think the underdiscussed story

1078
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: of the Spring was Chase Burns was searching for a while,

1079
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: like he kind of lost it in terms of it

1080
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: being like rolling momentum all that kind of stuff. The

1081
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: fast Balkman wasn't where it needed to be. There was

1082
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: then the dload situation. He's not quite as build up,

1083
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: all built up, all the way as you'd like him

1084
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: to be. I would be more concerned talking about him

1085
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: right now, but it really felt like he flipped a

1086
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: switch in Milwaukee st Maybe some of it was just

1087
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: getting out of the desert, and because your pitch has

1088
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: spin better out of the desert, the efficiency command an

1089
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: aggression against the Burrs was key Louder. I mean, he's

1090
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: just read Louder like he's the one. I feel like

1091
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: he's the one, like you know exactly what you're gonna

1092
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: get from. He competes, he's on flappable, he's a gamer.

1093
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: The pitches are underrated, And then Williams said, man, I'm

1094
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: really happy for him. There was a great moment yesterday

1095
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: where after pregame, you know, announcements, introductions, he pulled Lodolo aside,

1096
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: they're best friends, and they got a picture and then

1097
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: they got another picture where they did like the TCU

1098
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: horns up all side, Like, this is really cool for

1099
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: Williamson to not just be back, but to be this

1100
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: confident about what he can do right now being back.

1101
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: Follow up on Burns, we've heard like the routine thing

1102
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: between starts and kind of figuring out how to be

1103
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 4: excuse me, a big league picture, a big league starter.

1104
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: Do you think this is my word? Is this the

1105
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: right word?

1106
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1107
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: The maturity of learning how to do that is something

1108
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 4: that they are working on with Chase Burns.

1109
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Maturity is not a bad thing.

1110
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Like, we don't have time right now, but I could

1111
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: tell you about the story and the journey that Hunter

1112
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: Green went on, that Abbot went on. Lodolo's journey was

1113
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: more specifically injury related. But like even Andrew Rabbit, we

1114
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: would all say, this is a very mature guy. He

1115
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: had to learn what the heck he was supposed.

1116
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: To do between stars.

1117
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Burns, I locked in on him on his

1118
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: last workday good year, and he was working a lot

1119
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: about like kind of his stride coming down the mound,

1120
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: and Derek Johnson was very hands on right there, kind

1121
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: of working on the angle and the pacing and the

1122
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 3: timing downhill. So they were adding that in. And then

1123
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: after the bullpen he threw in the final day of spring,

1124
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: he got some work in with Robin, who, you know,

1125
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: very talented. I believe technically she's like the plate's instructor.

1126
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to demonistrate or to limit her title

1127
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: to just that she works with a lot of that flexibility,

1128
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: mobility type stuff, and he was doing some of I

1129
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 3: guess some strength is the wrong word, but probably range

1130
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: of motion and athletic training with her, so that can

1131
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: probably help him be where he needs to be.

1132
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: Would you do a pilates class for Fox nineteen with

1133
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, like one of the Reds. I'm not like,

1134
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: for a day, do pilates with the Reds.

1135
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pretend I was a great athlete, but

1136
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: in my athletic career, plotates was actually very important, and

1137
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: I did pilates and that helped me be the best

1138
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: basketball and tennis player I could be.

1139
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I didn't say i'd be good.

1140
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: That is very hard ask ask Kyle Farmer how hard

1141
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: Kyl Farmer could talk for thirty minutes right now about that.

1142
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: I think Kyle Farmer is going to start for the

1143
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 4: Braves this year. Is is there? I know it's early.

1144
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Do you do you start to look ahead at a

1145
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: louder Williamson and even at Chase Burns about innings restrictions

1146
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: as ratings as the season goes on. Has that all

1147
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: been discussed.

1148
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: It's one of the fascinating stories, even in April, because

1149
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: I think Williamson had the most normal spring of the group,

1150
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: so he's probably built up the most right now, but

1151
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: he probably has the hardest innings cap because he probably

1152
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: because he hasn't pitched in two years. Yeah, that was

1153
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: a part of the whole idea of the six for

1154
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: five rotation to manage these guys innings up front. You

1155
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: can do less of that without Dolo. That's where Franco

1156
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 3: factors in. It's especially going to be important with Burns

1157
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: because of the hiccups he had in spring. Hopefully you know,

1158
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 3: Lodolo will come back soon. Green will come back when

1159
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: he comes back, and you can manage it more in

1160
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: the middle. That would have liked to have probably managed

1161
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: a more upfront. They'll have to manage a more upfront

1162
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: with Burns because of how his spring went.

1163
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: What about managing yourself? You know you've had you've had

1164
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: a long spring, and then that goes into opening day

1165
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: now and off day. How much of a challenge is it.

1166
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: Do you just turn everything off and get a reset

1167
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: for a day?

1168
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that's that's his way of saying, I'm not

1169
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: turning it all off. This is where you're pushing the

1170
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: throttle even heavier right now.

1171
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Now. You were busy yesterday, But on a on on

1172
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: this show with Moe yesterday in Austin, we all made

1173
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: an agreement, a pact that if the Reds win the

1174
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: World Series this year, that we will all be getting

1175
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: the clock tattooed somewhere on our bodies.

1176
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: So if we're gonna go top five, fears for me,

1177
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: birds are definitely up there. Oh my gosh, I'm not

1178
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: on needles. I will you can take this to the bank.

1179
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: I will never get a tattoo.

1180
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: And it's not personal, not even if it meant a

1181
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Red's World Series, Ian super Bowl National Championship.

1182
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: Bustin is making a valid point as well, But I

1183
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: don't act fan.

1184
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if the Bearcats win at all.

1185
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: I think I hate needles that we'll put you under

1186
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: for it. I think I hate needles.

1187
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: Don't don't put them under for it. I respect you.

1188
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: You're learning about me. What is your Can we finish

1189
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: out the top five fears? That's a good question. I

1190
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: don't want to just make stuff up.

1191
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 3: I think it's been well documented that like I don't

1192
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 3: do like sunglasses or umbrellas, like, so those aren't fears.

1193
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: Where do you stand on spiders? Let's talk about this

1194
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: for a second. Tito's fear of snakes came up multiple

1195
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: times this spring. He is a big snakes and I

1196
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: get that. I get that he saw a snake like

1197
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: it was the whole thing.

1198
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: Yea, heights with heights, pretty good with heights. I've been

1199
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: to some high.

1200
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: Heights, okay, and you continue to ascend. Man, can't be

1201
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: afraid of heights when you're on the trajectory at your

1202
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: what were your what was your takeaway? Has everyone's got

1203
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: to take on the.

1204
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: Joey Voda is a really cool guy man. Joey Voda

1205
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: is a really smart guy. Joey Voda is a really

1206
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: thoughtful guy, like, oh, I mean this is per like

1207
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: it's always personal, Like Joey has asked me more about

1208
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: me and my story in my background than any other

1209
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 3: player I've covered. Like he cares and he's that thoughtful,

1210
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: the thought and the detail that went into the clock

1211
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: and what it represents and everything like that.

1212
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so cool.

1213
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: It's so cool, and it's it's personal and it's Vado

1214
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: and I I enjoy looking at it.

1215
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a photo guy.

1216
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Now that we're learning about me, we're into that part

1217
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: of the show.

1218
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: Like I'm not a big like, hey, I'm at this spot,

1219
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: let's take a photo type of Cherson.

1220
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: I just am more of a living the moment type guy.

1221
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: I like that.

1222
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: But it has become the photo spot.

1223
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: So you've never been like the concert goer pull your

1224
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: phone out in video while the concert's going on.

1225
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: That is something that really upsets me.

1226
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: But now there have been a few group settings in

1227
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: different places where I've because of that, ended up as

1228
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: a photo taker and that.

1229
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Never sure do you have a favorite concert, not a.

1230
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: Concert specifically, just a photo taker at different events. A

1231
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: favorite concert I've been to, I haven't been to a lot.

1232
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: I did go to Taylor Swift. Wow, that was very good, Okay, man,

1233
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: I think that's probably something I'd like to do more

1234
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 3: of that I don't do okay much.

1235
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: I do have to ask before we let you go

1236
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: as a fan, what do you make of the higher

1237
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: for UC men's basketball.

1238
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: I just see so clearly with Jared Calhoun an understanding

1239
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: of exactly.

1240
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: What he wants the program to look like.

1241
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: Like he was talking about a subtle adjustment he made

1242
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: with the types of transfers and the tools and traits

1243
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: he looked for and transfers, a shift he made heading

1244
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 3: into this year.

1245
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: To improve you top states defense.

1246
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: Like the tinkers you make in March and how that

1247
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: translates in the portal, how that translates the following march

1248
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: in the regular.

1249
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: That's high level stuff.

1250
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: Man.

1251
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: He just seems so smart.

1252
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: And then the Maverick Carter quote about Lebron James was

1253
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: the best quote that I've ever seen in press.

1254
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: Pretty good. That's I mean, that's a pretty high standard.

1255
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm sold.

1256
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: So you'll be back in attendance. I never left you

1257
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: and your dad fifth third Arena. He never left, He

1258
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: never waivered Austin. No, he's never, never down for a moment.

1259
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: For a second, I said, Now.

1260
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: We go to the Xavier games too. I hope that's okay. Well,

1261
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: he's a ball knower.

1262
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Let me ask you this, because

1263
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: you're around both of them, which professional organization between the

1264
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: Bengals and the Reds are closer to a championship? Burrough

1265
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: means a lot?

1266
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: Okay, man, I have a lot of questions about this offseason,

1267
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: and specifically like what I mean. We've covered all of

1268
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: this in terms of linebacker and now Pied Flack.

1269
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: As much as you are.

1270
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: But I think because of all the questions we have,

1271
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: what doesn't get discussed enough is I think this is

1272
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: still the best offense in Yeah.

1273
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, and I astain will get one after this. There

1274
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: are there are the thoughts and idea of a lockout

1275
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: after this season in Major League Baseball? What institutes as

1276
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: a success this year as we get the twenty twenty

1277
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: sixth season underway, because if you look at Vegas, there's

1278
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: not a lot of people that are predicting this team

1279
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: to be over five hundred with the momentum that they

1280
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: need to create coming off last year. And Ellie and

1281
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: his deal and when that's expiring in the lockout looming,

1282
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: what constitutes has a success this season?

1283
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: Because of the star power and the heavy heavy favorites

1284
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: at the top of the National League, you could end

1285
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: up in a first round series again against the Dodgers

1286
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: against the Mets. So you know, if the Reds win

1287
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: eighty eight games and go up against the Mets and

1288
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: lose the series, like you could see a path where

1289
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: that's acceptable. My line, though, is going to be very simple.

1290
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Win a playoff game, don't get swept. Yeah, I mean

1291
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: it's a three game series. Take them to game three.

1292
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: Give a team like that all they can handle. Or

1293
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: if you do get one of the smaller market teams,

1294
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: the Brewers, maybe even the Cubs because they're in a

1295
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: slightly lower tier like then that's a series you have

1296
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: to win. But you have to play good playoff baseball

1297
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: and see.

1298
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: If the Chips fall. Do you have a prediction and

1299
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: for the World Series matchup?

1300
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: He thought a second about this, and I'll come up

1301
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: with something right now.

1302
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: I think the Yankees are really good man, and I think.

1303
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 4: The even though Aaron Judge is on pace for seven

1304
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: hundred strikeouts.

1305
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: It's funny because I was having a conversation with the

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Speaker 3: Reds player last September and we're talking about Aaron Judge,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, I said great things.

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Speaker 1: He's great.

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Speaker 3: I had to circle back with that player and said,

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Speaker 3: hey man, I just looked at a few things like

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Speaker 3: it turns out judges like twice as good as I

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Speaker 3: was giving him credit for.

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Speaker 2: I just want to make.

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Speaker 3: Sure like I'm appreciating how great a judges in the

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Speaker 3: National League.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pick the Dodgers. That's no fun.

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Speaker 1: I'll pick the Mets. I think the Mets are really good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Charlie, you're the best man. Yeah, thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: Charlie's going to go visit his photo on the wall

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Speaker 4: that we have out here that he didn't know existed.

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Speaker 1: Charlie's photo is on the wall. For an example of

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Speaker 1: that being a good thing, that great thing that I

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Speaker 1: follow along or do follow along. It's the easiest way

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Speaker 1: to keep up with everything. He got going on.

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Speaker 3: Charlie's shockboard on Substack on Fox nineteen and then I

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Speaker 3: hope you guys are listening to power Stacks had blast

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Speaker 3: with that show with Brian Easinslaw.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, so awesome stuff. Charlie, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your off day and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: again next week. Great seeing you guys. That's Charlie Goldsmith.

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Speaker 1: This is since he three to sixty. Your talkbacks come

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Speaker 1: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Matt Rogers, Bowen Yang here