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Speaker 1: This is Jaden Schwartz. This is Jared mccamnon ya, this

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Crack and Weekly with Mike Benton. Happy Monday,

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate. For our friends north

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Speaker 1: of the border, you might just call it Thursday coming

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Speaker 1: up here, Well, whatever suits your fancy. Welcome to Crack

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Speaker 1: and Weekly. Glad to have you along with us. This

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Speaker 1: The Crack is still here. We are past the quarter

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Speaker 1: pole checkpoint of the season and they are still pressing

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Speaker 1: for first place in the Pacific Division. And we have

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to coming off a road trip

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Speaker 1: where they picked up five points out of a possible eight,

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Speaker 1: ending back to back in Pittsburgh and on Long Island.

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Speaker 1: Everett fits you al Koniski of course with us here

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Speaker 1: every week. But we're also going to be joined by

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Speaker 1: Tom Gozola. He's the host for Edmonton Sports Talk. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna dive into the Oilers, why they're right now ten

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Speaker 1: nine and five through twenty four games of this season,

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Speaker 1: goaltending and also a big question when it comes to

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Speaker 1: playing or not playing Connor McDavid and Leon dreich Seidel together,

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Speaker 1: plus a look at the Dallas Stars that we're coming

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Speaker 1: up to open a brief two game homestan Wednesday. It's

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Speaker 1: Edmonton after that on Saturday for a one pm matinee,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about what's ahead here with Tom Gozola.

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Speaker 1: Additionally getting to the state of the Krack and defense,

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Speaker 1: some offensive concerns. Will also goaltending, which deserves a lot

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Speaker 1: of props, kudos, flowers, whatever you want to give them.

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Speaker 1: They have certainly help stabilize matters at this point. Plus

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Speaker 1: also your mail bag questions. You can find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and ex at Benton Underscore Micro taking those again

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to more of your reaction coming up

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Speaker 1: here in just a bit. A flashback to the four

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Speaker 1: game road trip. Opening in Detroit the back and fell

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Speaker 1: forward to but then at visions of a rebound in Chicago, the.

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Speaker 3: Dard hoops it up to the line we're held in

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Speaker 3: by Monteur. Monteur back to the blue line of shot tep.

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Speaker 4: Stools Brandon Monteur above. From the blue line, it's redirected

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Speaker 4: out in front and the Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Cricket are on the board.

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Speaker 4: Oscar Fisker mull Guard will leave the handshake line.

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Speaker 3: That will be his first goal in the National Hockey League.

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Speaker 5: Oscar Fisker moutguard right in front of Spencer Night and

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Speaker 5: it looks like it may have gone off him and

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Speaker 5: then ty Carcie yeah, into the back of the net.

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Speaker 5: But the point there is that it was a big

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Speaker 5: shot by Montour. A couple levels of screens in front,

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Speaker 5: Oscar Fisker Mollguard's one of them. Ty Carci is the other.

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Speaker 3: Here is Shane right again below the goal line. Cat

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Speaker 6: It shoots ten scars, Shane right redirects the puck in

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Speaker 3: Seattle cracking tie.

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Speaker 4: The game two two twelve forty seven to play in

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Speaker 5: Well much much with the ty cart Chak goal. It's

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Speaker 5: He gets his blade out as the Riker revenue shot

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Speaker 5: comes and hits the top of his His blade finds

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Speaker 1: This game's tied.

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Speaker 3: It to Aston Marshmit far point, Evans walking to the

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Speaker 3: middle back hands it off to Marshmit. Now Montour takes

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Speaker 3: his turn. Montour left circle, Montrey back to Jayden, swords.

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Speaker 4: On the power flame, skins the cracket A three two

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Speaker 4: lead to eighteen to play.

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Speaker 5: In the third well, it starts with Mason marks from

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Speaker 5: up top, finding Montour jumping down the wall. Montour is

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Speaker 5: thinking shot the whole time, but he sees seventeen on

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Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby left side. Now for Carlson down the slot.

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Speaker 3: Shot bluffs Sane Bye Gerbauer. He'll hold on im. Shane

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Speaker 7: This one flipped up the boards, knocked down by a Marchman.

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Speaker 3: But he gives it right back, and we'll steal it

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Speaker 6: Marchman fires scores, they said.

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Speaker 4: The cracket on the board, won nothing, eighteen thirty six

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Speaker 5: Well, it was Marshman that kept the puck in at

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Speaker 5: gift from the Penguins defenseman which was the buck and

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Speaker 3: Cracket on the left wing, gives it up to Mason

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Speaker 3: Mershman backside from an ear settles shoots.

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Speaker 4: Stoos Maddy Baneers from the right circle as he tucks

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Speaker 4: it up over the shoulder of Miroshav and in the

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Speaker 3: Twenty four to go in regulation.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was everly in front of the net, had

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Speaker 5: dumb but tied up that gave Maddy Benier's space behind

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Speaker 5: he got a fantastic feed from Marchman had all the

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Speaker 3: Center left side over the blue line gets row to

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Speaker 4: Stoos Montymnia in over time in Pittsburgh. It's a three

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Speaker 5: What a great feed that Mantra received just inside the

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Speaker 5: brushov low cracking win three two, bring on the funnel,

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Speaker 5: cakes right circle to the corner, shut right on to

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Speaker 4: Everybody collapses on him and the pod stays in the

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Speaker 3: The cord comes out clean on the other side. Al

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Speaker 3: Szekis couldn't find the puck. Shane Wright two on two

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Speaker 4: Across the cat and for a drive on the left side,

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Speaker 3: Anders Stevenson lost a face off Schaeffer left side, Barzel,

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Speaker 4: One of same by towing the cord on Bawhormat goodness.

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Speaker 3: This one cleared all the way down the ice.

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Speaker 4: We're going to a shootout here on Long Island, Paul Mary,

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Speaker 4: Now for the Islanders, I'll marry alrighty.

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Speaker 3: It's the signal except the buck on the forehead. He's

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Speaker 8: Hey shot, he scores and the Islanders get the extra point.

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Speaker 8: They win this game one nothing in a shootouts.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it, the cracking getting five points

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Speaker 1: out of a possible eight after a four to two

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Speaker 1: loss at Detroit, bouncing back three to two win at Chicago,

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Speaker 1: three two overtime win at Pittsburgh, and then taking the

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Speaker 1: one nothing. The final at Ubs Arena with Joined Decord

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Speaker 1: picking up his seventh career shutout and blank by David Ridick,

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Speaker 1: where the Kraken are still looking for their first win

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Speaker 1: in the second leg back to back situations. Right now,

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Speaker 1: it is a skid of seventeen consecutive games going back

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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three to twenty four in that situation,

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Speaker 1: and certainly offense a big part of this. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: before they join us, here's a look at AHL Coachella Valley,

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Speaker 1: and let's just say they had a young defenseman who

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Speaker 7: Firebirds got the best of Owen Say in their first

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Speaker 7: matchup of the year back in late October, as Cayden

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Speaker 7: Hamill takes a penalty and Calgary goes to the power

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Speaker 7: plane before we get to the man advantage time for

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Speaker 3: Of the game.

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Speaker 7: But before we do that, we're gonna have a fight.

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Speaker 3: Caden Hamill dropped the clubs with alce come yea Edgar,

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Speaker 3: Cayden Hammel, you best be ready for.

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Speaker 9: This one waiting for the first plots of the time

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Speaker 9: star throws.

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Speaker 1: Are you not under tame?

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Speaker 9: That was a very entertaining stop fan me not something

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Speaker 9: he would expected from Caden Hammel.

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Speaker 3: But Outscandon Jolt got a pretty good bunch.

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Speaker 7: We'll go over to the dressing room.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully he's okay.

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Speaker 7: So how about that Caden Hamilt.

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Speaker 3: Taken down one of the.

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Speaker 5: Toughest guys in the American Hockey League.

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Speaker 7: Not only that, dropping mcgloves and saying, hey, let's go

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Speaker 9: Yeah, out of the scrum. And Alex Kallan is a

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Speaker 9: tough customer. Had a great colte with Travis Howell last

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Speaker 9: night Cayden Hamill does a phenomenal chopping standing up for

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Speaker 1: How about that call from Evan Pivnick and Grant Fear

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Speaker 1: for the Firebirds broadcast side yep? Are you not entertained?

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Speaker 1: That fight by Caden Hammill went viral last night. Matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, it reads Sports Center as well. Caden Hamill's

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Speaker 1: the former Reverence Silver Tips defenceman fifth round draft pick

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Speaker 1: of a Kraken. But if you ask many, there's a

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Speaker 1: new set of Candaan Hammel which came out in that

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Speaker 1: fight taking on one of the toughest competitors in the

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Speaker 1: AHL and Alex Gallant of the Calgary Wrangler. Hammill had

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Speaker 1: no more than fifty six penalty minutes in his career

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Speaker 1: for the WHL slip between the Silver Tips and the

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Speaker 1: Kamloops Blazers, and then he is no stranger to dropping

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Speaker 1: the gloves. He did so from time to time in

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Speaker 1: his WHL career. It's a new level when you take

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Speaker 1: on a guy like Alex Gallant, and Hammill had the

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Speaker 1: Eventually Calgary won it in sudden depth overtime five four,

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Speaker 1: but the Firebirds had contributions all across the board. Edward Shallegh,

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Speaker 1: the season led the Firebirds. Also with Ty Nelson, each

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Speaker 1: had three point nights. Nelson had three assists on the

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Speaker 1: back end. Jr Avon, John Hayden and Ben Meyers also

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Speaker 1: scored a goal each for the Firebirds. Underhead coach Eric Laxtall,

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Speaker 1: Coachella Valley is right now eight five and three nineteen points,

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Speaker 1: eight back of first place Colorado in the Pacific Division

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Speaker 1: and led by Jagger Fercuses nineteen points in sixteen games.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps if he keeps us up, it could be a

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Speaker 1: matter of time before he earns his first call up

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Speaker 1: to the NHL. All right, Cracking are back home this

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Speaker 1: Wednesday again to game homestand we're opening up at Climate

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Speaker 1: Pledge Arena seven o'clock for the Kraken and Dallas Stars.

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Speaker 1: On the FM dial for the flagship Side ninety three

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Speaker 1: three KJRFM and all across the Global Credit Union Cracking

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Speaker 1: Just like as well on Saturday, We're on the am

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the game on Long Island that

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Speaker 3: And I think too, you know what you said there

437
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: is perfect because a lot of times you'll see coaches

438
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: try to fit players into the system. But the Ley

439
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 3: Lambert is fitting this system around the place.

440
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

441
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Speaker 3: So when you have a McDavid, when you have a

442
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: drive Title and a McKinnon and a ka Chuck and

443
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: a macar and a Rantan, when you have those guys, yes,

444
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: it's going to be an offensive system. Okay, those players

445
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: McDavid can fit into any system he on he's in

446
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: because of who he is, right, But this system that

447
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: Lane Lambert is coaching is developed for this team. That

448
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 3: is why you're having the success. If the Kraken had

449
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 3: forty goal guys, more than just Jared McCann, if they

450
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 3: had eighty ninety one hundred point horses, of course this

451
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: would be a more run and gun style offense. But

452
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: it's not so, and they don't have those guys. So

453
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: they're fitting this system to the players that they have

454
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: and that's why it's working. Do you want this system?

455
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: I don't think this system works in Edmonton. I don't

456
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: think this system works in Dallas or who else, Winnipeg?

457
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Speaker 1: Right, you change this system around your personnel.

458
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

459
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Speaker 1: Kracken as of this point, second best in the NHL

460
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: two point five goals a game five on five goal ratio,

461
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: eighth best in the NHL again at this point of

462
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: the year, as compared to back in September, if you

463
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: were told by Thanksgiving, when you're getting ready here to

464
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: put turkey or ham mac and cheese, stuffing whatever on

465
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: the table, would you take the Krack in second place

466
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Division points percentage at six three six,

467
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: any way you have it? Without question, the answer would

468
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: be a resounding yes.

469
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Speaker 3: I would have taken the Crack in in the second

470
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: wild card at this point, right, I think coming in exactly,

471
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: I think coming into the year. My goal on on

472
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: day one of training camp, the floor for this team

473
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: for me was playing meaningful games as late as possible.

474
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: Right game sixty, game seventy, they had to mean something. Okay,

475
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 3: you couldn't be ten points out at Christmas, you couldn't

476
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: be twelve points out going into the Olympic break. You're

477
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: not going to overcome that. As long as this team

478
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: were in a position to be playing meaningful games, they

479
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: were having the conversation of should they be buyers at

480
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: the deadline? Right, that was the floor. That was the

481
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: absolute low point for my expectation. And now that the

482
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: fact that they're in second place in the division within

483
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: spitting distance of first, They've beaten some really good teams,

484
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: they're they're finding a way to stay at the top

485
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: of a very crowded group in the Western Conference. I mean,

486
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: this is all exceeding my expectation, not necessarily my belief,

487
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: but my expectation of where this team should be should

488
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: have been. If you look at the way it was constructed,

489
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: you look at the personnel, I expected this team to

490
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: be battling for a playoff spot. Now this team is

491
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: currently you're looking at again twenty two games in potentially

492
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: raising a division banner in the next six months. That

493
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: for me, is a huge improvement over where that expectation was.

494
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: And I think also the nice part about this is,

495
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: as compared to roughly last year, when so much of

496
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: the conversation was centered around what's wrong here with the

497
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: core of all of this, we're now talking about how

498
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: do you fix batters around the edges? And you had

499
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: to admit a course, goal scoring has been an issue

500
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: on this team. They're twenty ninth right now in the

501
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: NHL and they just couldn't get anything at Ubs. We're

502
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: going to hear to end that to back in that

503
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: one nothing shootout loss after the game. Cracking ad coach

504
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: Lane Lambert meeting here with the media to.

505
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: Assess the offensive production from your team tonight.

506
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 10: Well, we didn't score any goals, so.

507
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: We didn't.

508
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 10: Didn't find a way to capitalize. Of course, neither did they.

509
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 10: You know, I thought our goalie was really good. I

510
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 10: thought their goalie made some good saves as well.

511
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: But you know, it's just.

512
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 10: It's a common theme right now, shot volume or lock thereof,

513
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 10: and you know, we passed up too many shots again,

514
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 10: so at some point we got to figure this out.

515
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?

516
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: Is it like a hesitation you're seeing in the group

517
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: or what do you kind of point to.

518
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 10: I think we're looking for something better, and I don't

519
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 10: understand why. You know, we've got to shoot the pluck

520
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 10: the only way you can score goals. And I've set

521
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 10: it over and over again at leased.

522
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: To put pucks on net.

523
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Cracking had four shots on net in the first period.

524
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: They had six shots on net in the second, eight

525
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: in the third, just one in overtime, where it was

526
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: heavily dominated by the Islanders for pluck possession in that game.

527
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: So I'll tee this one upfits. I know that you

528
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: want to get here to this? What do you do

529
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: to solve the offensive issues? And I mean folks may

530
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: ask what can you do by trade? Well, no one's

531
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: getting dangled out there right now on the market. Your

532
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: options sort of work with what you have. You hope

533
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: that Jared McCann is coming back here very soon, if

534
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: not Wednesday, But as to this point, you've got to

535
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: fight for offense, the base and the ugly way.

536
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: You know. I want to actually start off by just

537
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: can we can we admit and appreciate just how low

538
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: key hilarious Sley Lambert is, Like he it's not what

539
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: it right some of his one liners. And again, if

540
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: you're you're in we're in the rooms every day, we

541
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: know exactly what he means. But to the outside person

542
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: who may be watched that that is funny. Like he

543
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: his comedic timing, I think unintentionally is spot on. I

544
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: go back to the question I asked him in DC

545
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. I was like, Hey, did

546
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: back to back have anything to do with it? And

547
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: he was like, I don't care, uh that you know

548
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: it was a back? It was just dude, that's absolutely hilarious. No,

549
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: So I think I think how do you generate more offense? Listen,

550
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, there's no one being

551
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: dangled like you mentioned, right, And unless you're willing to

552
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: put together a big package of prospects and current roster

553
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: players to go out and get that that offensive unicorn

554
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: that everyone seems to want, you have to work with

555
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: what you have. You know, shooting the puck. That that

556
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: that's that's it, he said it. The only thing that

557
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: I can point to is shooting the puck more. And

558
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: I think that this has been something that we've talked

559
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: about in the entirety. I think of this franchise's existence

560
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: is these these selectiveness there we go, selectiveness of this

561
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: team's shots.

562
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: They there's a reason behind that usually but that fits.

563
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll let you go on.

564
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: But it seems like they're looking for the clear lane.

565
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: They're looking for the bar down, they're looking for the

566
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: sexy goal. Like what happened and what was it? Detroit? Right,

567
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: You look at the goal that was scored for not

568
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: em not if any, the red wing Nate Danielson who

569
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: scored the goal and goes off of eskate off of

570
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: his leg in the back of the You look at

571
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: Oscar Fisker mouleguards first NHL point. It goes off his knee,

572
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: off Carcier's knee into the back of the goal. So

573
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: those are the kind of goals I think this team's

574
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 3: are going to have to score and not being too

575
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: selective and right now, when you look at Seattle twenty

576
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: ninth with two point five to nine, so just over

577
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: two and a half goals a game, if you can

578
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: find a way to get that to three, you'd be

579
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: twenty at the NHL. If you can be in the

580
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: top two thirds get to three, I think a lot

581
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: of this issue, these issues are solved because the defensive structure.

582
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: I'm ready to say through twenty four games, twenty two games,

583
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: the defensive structure is fine. It's not changing. If you

584
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: can find a way to get point four more goals

585
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: per game, you're fine.

586
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 5: Four games on the road, an average of twenty two

587
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: shots on goal of game, there's no doubt this team

588
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: to put more pucks on net. But I would say

589
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: it differently. Rather rather than saying shoot more, I would

590
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 5: say making better shooting decisions, because sometimes the pass is

591
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: the right play, and the last thing you want a

592
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: player to do is start gripping their stick too tight

593
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 5: and thinking, well, as soon as I cross the blue line,

594
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: I got to put the puck on that because coach

595
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 5: says we got to shoot like that's that That's not

596
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: the answer. So better shooting decisions is what I would say.

597
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 5: I would also say, let's get Copocaco and Jared mccannon

598
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 5: back in the lineup. You know, let's remember that this

599
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 5: team sits fifth in the league right now for goals

600
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: by defenseman at thirteen, so let's make sure we're shooting

601
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 5: from the point as often as possible. Yeah, those goals

602
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 5: are going to continue to come, those greasy ones, although

603
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 5: we did have our first game where it was all

604
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: all snipes the other night.

605
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: But I think full of shooters out.

606
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's unique for this squad.

607
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: I was Vintareek.

608
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 5: I think this is make better shooting decisions and and

609
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 5: you know, shot shot mentality first is absolutely what you

610
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: want to be thinking. But don't force it. Don't try

611
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 5: and force pucks on net. That just shouldn't be. So

612
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: there's a fine balance in there. I think shooting more

613
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: also can lead to block shots, so it's not just

614
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 5: shooting more, it's not just making better shooting decisions, but

615
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: it's making sure the puck gets through to the net.

616
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: Right.

617
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can go off legs and skates and stuff,

618
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: but if it's getting blocked five feet away from the

619
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: shot at the point every time and they're going the

620
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 5: other way, okay, you're shooting more, but that's not helping either.

621
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 5: So better shooting decisions and better I don't know, better

622
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 5: shooting angles for lack of a better phrase.

623
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: Here's what the point I wanted to get to that

624
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: fits brought up because so many players, and this is

625
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: especially in the last roughly five ten years of the NHL,

626
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: offense is not treated as if you get pucks on

627
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: net and more shot volume you know, necessarily means success.

628
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: A lot of players are being taught in different systems

629
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: where a shot is almost like a turnover to where

630
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: if you don't score on that thing, the puck's going

631
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: back down the other way and it might as well

632
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: just be like a dead giveaway. So how much do

633
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: you maybe I think, connect this here to previous thinking

634
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: and maybe more you know that is required to kind

635
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: of unwire some brains. And I'm not saying good to

636
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: the extreme where you're Carolina and you're dumping about you know,

637
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: eighty ninety shot attempts a game on net. But you're

638
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: looking more and more to try to incrementally build the

639
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: habits of shot first rather than pass first.

640
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that, you know, it doesn't happen overnight.

641
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 5: I think that there has to be commentary on film

642
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: with players. I think, you know, when when the player

643
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 5: sees that they were in the slot for you know,

644
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: a second, which is all it should take to get

645
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 5: a shot off, and they opted to try and pass

646
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 5: through three players to the right of the left to

647
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 5: hit that scene pass when they were right there on

648
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: the slot. There's a great example. Yeah that when that

649
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: pass is there, take it, but when it's not there,

650
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: put the puck on on net. That's that's a huge

651
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 5: one for me. You're right, Mike, it's going to take

652
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 5: some time. I think that, you know, between film and

653
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Speaker 5: practice and the crack and have a few days to

654
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Speaker 5: do that here over the next you know. Yeah, I

655
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: think that's there's gonna be a lot of discussion around that.

656
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: I also think you have to remember this team has

657
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: some young players on it right now. You think about

658
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: you think about Oscar Fisker, Mulgard. You think about Yannie Newman,

659
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: and you think about Birthday Catton lots of times. The

660
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: tendency when you're a young player trying to make a team,

661
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: trying to stay on a team is well, rather than shoot,

662
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Speaker 5: I'm going to dish it over to Jordan Everley, even

663
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Speaker 5: though there's three guys between you and Jordan Eberley or

664
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Speaker 5: Matty Benier or whoever, and you tend to overpass. And

665
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Speaker 5: I think that the coaches need to kind of get

666
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 5: in the ears of those young players and say, listen,

667
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 5: you're just as good as shoot as any the other guys.

668
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 5: If you get a chance, rip it, you know. And

669
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Speaker 5: I think they've done that a little bit with Yanni Newman.

670
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Speaker 5: You saw I think last I checked during the game,

671
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Speaker 5: he had three shots on goal last game, so he's

672
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Speaker 5: definitely shooting the puck more. I think getting into all

673
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Speaker 5: the youngsters years and saying the same thing would be

674
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Speaker 5: good shootouts.

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Speaker 1: This has been a topic in the last twenty four hours,

676
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Speaker 1: roughly from the responses I got here from Twitter and

677
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Speaker 1: x where the krack nd fell the eight and fifteen

678
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: all time in shootouts after the loss at Ubs Areena.

679
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Speaker 1: I mean, you go through some theories of you know,

680
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: do you go lefty, righty, lefty, keep the goalie guessing?

681
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Speaker 1: You know, who do you deploy out there? I mean,

682
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, and just going back through or

683
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Speaker 1: through this. Chandler Stevenson went back out there because he's

684
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Speaker 1: been successful before and shootout attempts. Freddie Goodreau went out

685
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Speaker 1: there because he's got some of the best individual skill

686
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Speaker 1: on this team in this situation, plus his numbers as

687
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: well and all he told him has also scored before.

688
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Speaker 1: But yet, how much of a concern do we put

689
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Speaker 1: into this thing?

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Speaker 3: I think you should just go to the top of

691
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Speaker 3: the hash marks and just shoot as hard as you can.

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Speaker 1: That's personally just it's entertainment, entertainment.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm

694
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Speaker 3: I'm done with the shootout. I'm over it. Just from

695
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Speaker 3: a fan perspective, you know, I would.

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Speaker 1: Rather You're not the first person I've heard this from also, but.

697
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Speaker 3: Go on play seven minutes of overtime. Yeah, and if

698
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Speaker 3: it's still tied, then then then we're tied. Then then

699
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: we're done, right, seven minutes overtime and then you know

700
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Speaker 3: we were we myself and Hal and JT. We're we're

701
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: arguing about this on the bus the other day about disgusting.

702
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: Disgusting if you go to a three two one points format,

703
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: three points for a win, two points for an overtime win,

704
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: and then if it's a tie, each team gets a

705
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: point and then you go away. But I'm not concerned

706
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Speaker 3: because I think so few games have gone to the shootout.

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Speaker 3: What do you say, Mike, eight and fifteen all time? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: in shootouts. So this is now year five eighty two

709
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Speaker 3: times four plus twenty two. Right, we've had twenty three

710
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Speaker 3: of whatever that math is games in a shootout. I

711
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Speaker 3: don't care. I hate the shootout. I'm over, yep, I'll

712
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 3: get your trustee calculator. No, I'm not concerned. I think, honestly,

713
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: it's frustrating. I get it. You're running the good goalies.

714
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Speaker 3: You're running the hot goalies sometimes goalies. You know, there

715
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Speaker 3: are some goalies who are really good in the shootout.

716
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Speaker 3: We could go back to what they do in college

717
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Speaker 3: hockey and in junior hockey, where each team ends every

718
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: practice with a shootout. You can do that as well, right,

719
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Speaker 3: But I think my concern meter for the shootout is

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Speaker 3: probably a two of ten. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'll toss this here to EL. I would certainly agree,

722
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Speaker 1: And I think I had this conversation previously with with

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Speaker 1: with one of our colleagues on this, and I mean, listen,

724
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Speaker 1: I get it back in two thousand and five, this

725
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: game came out of the lockout. There was no hockey

726
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Speaker 1: for a year at the NHL level. I mean, they

727
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: were start for attention. It felt like the game's attention

728
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: meter was on the brink, so you had to find

729
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Speaker 1: a way to bring back more fan interest, get rid

730
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Speaker 1: of ties. This was one way to do it. But

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, guys, two thousand and five was twenty years ago. Here,

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Speaker 1: I certainly feel you and agree that there are different

733
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Speaker 1: solutions out there that we can start to implement that

734
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Speaker 1: kind of give this more. I think of a well

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Speaker 1: rounded and I think more of a nutritious, filled to

736
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Speaker 1: the end result here.

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Speaker 5: To a game. Yeah, the shield is just a unique

738
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 5: skill that you don't even get to see in a

739
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 5: regular hockey game, Like if you get a break away,

740
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: you're not attacking the net the same way you are

741
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: on a shootout. So let's just start with that number two.

742
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 5: I agree with Fitz that that that's One of two

743
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 5: things I think should happen is extend that five minutes

744
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: to seven minutes. The other thing, and we've talked about

745
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 5: this as well, is don't let the team take the

746
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Speaker 5: puck back into the new zone. Once you're across the

747
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 5: blue line, you can't bring it back. I think that

748
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: that will force play a little bit more. It'll keep

749
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Speaker 5: it exciting because there'll be turnovers and you won't be

750
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Speaker 5: able to go reset back in the neutral zone or

751
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: throw it back to your goaltender at the other end.

752
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: It becomes less of a game of keep away and

753
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Speaker 5: more of a true game of hockey, which I think

754
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, that's what the fans

755
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 5: want to see. They want to see hockey played in

756
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Speaker 5: its purest form, as if both teams just got two

757
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 5: miners each and it's three on three hockey.

758
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is great. We're going to get to Tom

759
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: Gazola in just a little bit here to take a

760
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: look at Edmonton and Dallas. But I mean, I think

761
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: it's overdue to give as much props as we have

762
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Speaker 1: to give here to goaltending. Where would this team be

763
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: right now without Joey de coord this guy on the

764
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Speaker 1: shelf without Matt Murray, and from what we've seen, it's

765
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Speaker 1: more revealing here in this last week without Philip Grubauer.

766
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Speaker 5: I posted the stat last week teams with three goaltenders

767
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Speaker 5: that have played five or more games with the save

768
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Speaker 5: percentage is at nine hundred above. Nobody else has it

769
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Speaker 5: except for Seattle. And by the way, those say percentages

770
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 5: are now nine o nine for Decord, nine to twelve

771
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Speaker 5: for Grubauer, at nine twenty two for Murray, even though

772
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Speaker 5: he's on the shelf. So this is a strength of

773
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 5: this team, and whatever strategies are deployed, whether it be

774
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: defensive structure or offensive structure, need to start from between

775
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: the pipes because that's that's that's a strength for this team.

776
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: So it's been consistent. If you want to say the

777
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 5: San Jose game was a dip, okay, but I think

778
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 5: it was a dip in the whole whole team. But

779
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 5: consistently through the first quarter of the season, gultenating has

780
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 5: been one of the strongest parts for the scracking team

781
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Speaker 5: ten out of.

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Speaker 3: Ten no notes I think overall for Grubauer, for Decord,

783
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Speaker 3: for Murray. You know, I know that Grubauer was a

784
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: big question coming into the season, just given the last

785
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: couple of seasons. But I mean, I think he has

786
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: been you know, right now without having seen how he

787
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: will perform for the next sixty games. I mean, he's

788
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: already got my vote for most improved player, right. I

789
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: think Philip Gruenbauer has been nothing short of phenomenal this season.

790
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 3: And I think also what people are really are sometimes

791
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: may not realize or maybe they do what they don't

792
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: understand just how big this is. There are three goaltenders

793
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: on this roster. That is three personalities, that is three egos.

794
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: And not to say that these are egotistible guys, but

795
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: it's just, you know, we all have an ego.

796
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: They're wired to put their hand up saying wins.

797
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: It might turn one hundred percent. We're just wired as that.

798
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: So that is not that is not a commentary on

799
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: them as people. That is just an overall fact, right,

800
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: And the fact that Colin Zulianello, our goaltending coach, has

801
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: been able to manage that, to get these guys on

802
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: the same page. They are constantly cheering for each other.

803
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: It is a next man up mentality. You know, you're

804
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: absolutely gutted for Matt Murray who was out six weeks

805
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: and I remember talking to you were talking to him

806
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: back in preseason and he was saying, this is the

807
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: best that he's felt in ten years, and you're gutted

808
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: for him. But now you've got Decord and Grubau were

809
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: playing some of the best hockey that we've seen this

810
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: season and a lot of the success. The defensive structure

811
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: is working, but at the end of the day, the

812
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: last line of defense is your goaltenders. And ten out

813
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: of ten no notes again the San Jose game, I

814
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: get it was a dud, but other than that, I've

815
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: got no issue with how these three players have been

816
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: performing all year long.

817
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: I remember you mentioned Dave Lowry's name back in the

818
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to twenty three season as the best

819
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: behind the scenes hired that this team made. That just

820
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: took him up an extra notch. I would argue Colin

821
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: Zulianello has been the best low key higher from this

822
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: last summer, which has now taken this team up a notch.

823
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, he's all business and just like Fitz says,

824
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: he knows all three of these goaltenders well, he knows

825
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: what they need, what they don't need, and he feeds

826
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 5: them appropriately. I mean, you know, every goaltender wants to

827
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 5: play eighty two games. Like any goaltender that doesn't want

828
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 5: to play eighty two games, I don't want my team.

829
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: But they can't. Everybody knows they can't.

830
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: But you have to. You have to.

831
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Speaker 5: They have to be like racehorses, just raring to go.

832
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: They want to play every game. And so in Colin's position,

833
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: he's going to figure out, you know, how to dole

834
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 5: it out, how to you know, make sure each one

835
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: of them is ready that's not playing, and when they

836
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: do get their chance, reinforced. You know, hey, this went

837
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 5: really well. Keep this up. And right now he's got

838
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: all three balls in the air, so to speak, and

839
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: he's doing a great job of it.

840
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: Krack and have their second matchup of the season coming

841
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: up with the Dallas Stars on Wednesday. After that it

842
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: is Saturday, the matinee against the Edmonton Oilers. Well, it

843
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: was going to be a matter of time, but we

844
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: finally got him. This is Tom Goazola joining us now

845
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: on Crack and weekly now with Edmonton Sports Talk these days.

846
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: Also you can see from time to time on NHL Network. Tommy,

847
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: you're doing great workout there in Edmonton. Great to have you.

848
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I first want to ask you, is there such thing

849
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: as a back to back Cup final hangover here? Because

850
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what level of concern are be looking at

851
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: right now? On a scale of one to ten as

852
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: far as the Edmonton Oilers at the quarter pole of

853
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: the season.

854
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Let's call it alert status red Mike around here. So

855
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, nine to ten. It's unreal because last

856
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: night on the postgame show they lose to to one,

857
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: a couple a late goal and then the one great

858
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: opportunity where Jack rosselvik Kent put the puck home past Vasilowski.

859
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what to say, but he just

860
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: slammed it into Vassilevski's pad. By the way, Zach Hyman

861
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: was on top of Vassilowski, You're trying to jump over him,

862
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: and then it goes back the other way and Jake

863
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: denzil wins it for the lightning. So it was kind

864
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: of heartbreaking. And the night before after the Washington loss,

865
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: people were losing their minds. The anger, the vitriol, the

866
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: fire of this guy, trade that guy. It was NonStop

867
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: for the entire show, and then postgame last night it

868
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, they tried hard and they

869
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: almost won and it was a tough situation. It was

870
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: such a calm postgame from the fan base in our audience,

871
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: which was incredible because I'm like, what happened to being

872
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: angry and frustrated like people were twenty four hours prior

873
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: to that. But it just kind of speaks to where

874
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: the team is at here in Edmonton's it's nine to

875
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: nine and four or nine nine to five is the

876
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: record now. But I said to Sean Bell, who was

877
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: on the postgame with me last night, I said, Belsie,

878
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: it's weird. I don't like that people are saying there

879
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: are building blocks from this game and we're not that

880
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: mad and not that upset about it, because it doesn't

881
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: seem right to be appraising such mediocrity. Kind of like

882
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: the fire, I kind of like the chaos. And maybe

883
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: that's just me being a sick puppy when it comes to.

884
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: Pre and posted.

885
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: You miss me in June, don't you.

886
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun, but it's a weird spot that they're

887
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: in and really, like you, you take a step back

888
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: and you go, well, where are they in the standings?

889
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: Not in a great spot, but they're not really out

890
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: of it. So I think it's because the expectation is

891
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: built up over the last couple of years, going to

892
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Final, losing to the eventual Cup champions

893
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: four years in a row. It's kind of built this

894
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: expectation with the fan base. I think that's natural with

895
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: the fan base too. But yeah, people are They weren't

896
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: mad last night. They were just disappointed, you guys, And

897
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: that's scary, scary place to be. I don't like disappointment.

898
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: My mom My mom still says that all the time.

899
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed, Mom.

900
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: That's what some reflection kicks in, and you're like, I

901
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: need to be better.

902
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: Because when you're disappointed, it's something that I did, Like,

903
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: I can't put it back on. You're mad, that's good,

904
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: that's on you. But if you're disappointed, that means I

905
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: screwed up, all.

906
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: Right, Tom, How surprised are you with the whole level

907
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: of parody and the cluster of team still kind of

908
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: running together at this point of the season, especially in

909
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: the Western Conference.

910
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: Very surprised. There's a huge mushy middle. It feels like

911
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how many games are what the percentages

912
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: I didn't look at it that have gone to overtime.

913
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: So we've had all these three point nights in the NHL,

914
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: and it feels like when I look on the out

915
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: of town scoreboard is like ot ot shootout, and it's

916
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: just it's it's interesting in that regard. I thought to myself,

917
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm driving home from the studio yesterday, and I thought,

918
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: these teams like playing to get to overtime. Do they

919
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: all want to, you know, inflate their stats with the

920
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: Betman point or the loser point, whatever you want to

921
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: call it. And I was like, no, Hockey's not that

922
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: type of game. You can't script it like the NFL.

923
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: That's a joke, by the way.

924
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: But.

925
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been interesting, like you're not really out

926
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: of it, even even the bottom. And it's been a

927
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: weird season that way. Maybe maybe teams start to break

928
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: away and and and we start to see some separation,

929
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: but really to this point, everyone's kind of clumped together,

930
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: and it makes things hard to read when it comes

931
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: to two team, especially within the division. And then you know,

932
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: go outside in the conference and you go, I don't

933
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: know how these teams stack up because they're all kind of.

934
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 11: Average yeah, yeah, three months ago who had Calgary at

935
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 11: the bottom of their being goal card. Yeah, that's that's

936
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 11: that's really surprising what's going on over there. But you know,

937
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 11: talking about goaltending, and that was a big part of

938
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 11: the Edmonton discussion certainly through the first month of the season.

939
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 11: Has that tamp down a little bit? Or is it

940
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 11: still part of every postgame discussion when there isn't a

941
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 11: dub on the on the card.

942
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Every night is a goalie discussion. It's unreal. And and

943
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: like your old Palawaukee Engage, who's in the studio behind

944
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: me doing a show right now as we as we discussed. Yeah,

945
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: he brought up something the other day that's that's really

946
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: interesting after the Washington game and and he said that

947
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: he sees Stuart Skinner as being broken and I'm thinking

948
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: to myself, like, oh man, like, that is not a

949
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: good place to be. And he compared it to the Yips.

950
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: The Yips, yeah like, and he pointed out the Devin

951
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: Dubnick situation in Edmonton about a decade ago. Dubnick was

952
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: broken and the team was a mess and they had

953
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: Dallas Aikins as the head coach and that obviously didn't work,

954
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: and Dubnik was in this awful place professionally and he

955
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: was having a tough time away from the rink and

956
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: he was just starting his family. Like it was just

957
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: this this storm of negativity around him that you know,

958
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: they fired him off into Nashville for Matt Hendrix and

959
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: then it didn't go well for Dubnic in Nashville. He

960
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: went to Montreal, had to ask to you know, leave

961
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: the team, take care of I think he had his

962
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: first child at that time with his wife, and there's

963
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: so much stuff going on. Then he goes to Arizona

964
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: and he's working with Mike Smith and Sean Burke and

965
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: he resuscitates his career, becomes an all star year after

966
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: year after year, and Mini and so Joaquin goes. I

967
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: see a lot of similarities in this scenario with with

968
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: Stuart Skinner compared to what Devin Dubnik was going through.

969
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: And I was there front center doing working for Oilers

970
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: TV at the time, and I was like, that's not

971
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: a good place to be. So I'll give Stut's credit,

972
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: Stut Skinner and Calvin Pickard credit because for the first

973
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: two or three weeks of this season, more so Skinner,

974
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: those guys. They they gave these Oilers a chance night

975
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: in Night Out, but they weren't getting any run support.

976
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: And that's still a problem for this Oilers team. They've

977
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: only scored more than three goals six times this year

978
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: through twenty three games, and that's pretty alarming considering the

979
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: firepower that this team does possess. So the goal oh see,

980
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: there you go, And how do you win games if

981
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: you can't score a goal, if you're not gonna run

982
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: run support, and you're trying to make all these saves

983
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: and the Oilers defensively or an absolute calamity, I mean,

984
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: so spotty, from the blue liners to the five man unit.

985
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: When you include the forwards, they can't break out pucks

986
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: and they get hemmed in, they give up ten bell chances,

987
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: they barely generate you know, high scoring or high danger

988
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: chances of their own. And then so the goalies just

989
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: finally they broke. And that's a discussion night in night out.

990
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 2: I mean, we see people proposing trades for goalies every night, saying,

991
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: call up Connor Ingram, who's only two to two and

992
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: two down in Bakersfield right now, his goals against average

993
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: over three, it's around three and a half is save

994
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: percentage sub nine hundred. So he's trying to figure it

995
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: out too down there, and there aren't a lot of

996
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: simple solutions, and so the goaltending issue comes up every night,

997
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's as easy as just trying

998
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: to fire off stew Skinner somewhere else and try to

999
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: get somebody else to come in and it'll all go away,

1000
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: because there's so many problems outside of the goaltending around here.

1001
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: Tommy. I know we talk a lot about McDavid and Drysidle,

1002
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: those are the two big catalysts, but you mentioned the

1003
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: offense and knaw block the other day, I think it

1004
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: was last week, said something to the effective you know,

1005
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 3: McDavid and dry Sidle have to be McDavid and dry Sidle,

1006
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: then the other guys you know, need to step up

1007
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: on paraphrasing, but essentially, as what we said, how much

1008
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: has the gauntlet been laid? How what is the feeling

1009
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: in that dressing room about the other players doing more?

1010
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 3: This reminds me a lot of those nineties bulls where

1011
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: it's just Michael Jordan gets the ball, everyone back away

1012
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: and we're gonna We're gonna see what happens. What is

1013
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: the feeling inside the organization, inside that dressing room about Hey,

1014
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 3: McDavid and dry title can only do so much at

1015
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 3: a certain point. We're going to need the other players

1016
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: on this roster to step up and chip in some offense.

1017
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, secondary scoring has been an issue that feels like

1018
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: for a long time, Everett, it comes up. I mean

1019
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: the last couple of years they have had Corey Perry's

1020
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: kind of rise up. He almost had twenty goals, he

1021
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: had nineteen. Last year he finished with nineteen. Jeff Skinner

1022
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: actually finished with sixteen. Same with Victor Arvidson. Like they

1023
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: had weak starts to their oilers' tenure and then they

1024
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: kind of picked it up as the season went on.

1025
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: Oddly enough, that's when the team started to wake up too.

1026
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: So the secondary scorer here, like you know, Ryan Jjohenapkins

1027
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: was playing well before he got hurt. He was contributing.

1028
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: He was one of the bright spots on this team.

1029
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: They didn't have Zach Heyman until about a week ago.

1030
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: He's been good, but he's playing catch up as well.

1031
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: Like he was skating, he was in training camp, couldn't shoot.

1032
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: It was healing up. The severely complicated, dislocated risk that

1033
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: he suffered against the Stars and the playoffs, and then

1034
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: there was hope that Andrew manja Pane would come in

1035
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: and give them a little bit of an offensive boost.

1036
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: That has come and gone. He's been pretty streaky at times.

1037
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: And then Jack Rosslovic after a few games, he's kind

1038
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: of settled in and he's been a secondary type scorer

1039
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: for them and actually been a pretty good signing. And

1040
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: see he's hungry for his next contract. So there's been

1041
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: guys that they went out and got and guys that

1042
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: they've kind of brought in from the farm, like of

1043
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: Matt Savoy, where it just isn't clicking offensively. You can

1044
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: see he's doing the right things and he's in the

1045
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: right places, just hasn't put it together and figured out

1046
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: how to make it turn into points on the score sheet.

1047
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: Ike Howard got sent down. I mean, it's tough to

1048
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: put a lot on a guy that just want to

1049
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: hope Baker is twenty years old and say, okay, kid,

1050
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: go score us twenty Yeah, learn how to play pro

1051
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: hockey at the highest level on a team is supposed

1052
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: to win a Stanley Cup.

1053
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: Well, the annoying part is when you have a twenty

1054
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: year old like that, and then you see the other

1055
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: twenty year olds around the league and what they're doing. Obviously,

1056
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: you know Isaac Howard is not Celebrini, is not Badard. No,

1057
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: but it can be hard sometimes and not say, well,

1058
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: they're guys doing it, why can't our guy do it?

1059
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he's not those guys.

1060
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, exuple guys.

1061
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: He's a good, great player. He'll be a good NHL

1062
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: R I'm sure for a long time, but he ain't

1063
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: there yet. So it's been a lot of that. And

1064
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: like Vasilli pod Coles and he's a third fourth liner,

1065
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: he hasn't really chipped in. Trent Frederick Guys has been

1066
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: a thorn for Oilers fans, and rightly Soor just scored

1067
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: his second goal of the season. He's been a bit

1068
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: of a shell of his former self. So there's been

1069
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: a lot of disappointment when it comes to forwards and offense.

1070
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: Evan blue Shard until you know, a couple of weeks ago,

1071
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: wasn't putting any points up on the board, and that's

1072
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 2: that's a problem for a team that lost I think

1073
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: it was like sixty three goals due to guys being

1074
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: moved out in the offseason.

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00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 1: Tom goes All joining us right now on the Beacon

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00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Plumbing hot line here for Cracking Weekly. More on that, Tom,

1077
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: when I'm kind of using this here to frame this

1078
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: for people who are still learning this game around here,

1079
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: and why teams do this? When Conor McDavid and Leon

1080
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: Dry side a load up on one line together, you

1081
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: get a superstar line, a duo that can do a

1082
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of damage. But then you also have the trade

1083
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: off where you can spread them out, play one guy

1084
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: on one line, one guy on the other end, spread

1085
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: the offense out, more ships and more opportunities. So what

1086
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: kind of impact and workload does that put on them

1087
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: their ice time and the guys also playing behind them.

1088
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: I love that you asked that, Mike, because that's a

1089
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: big talking point too, those like they separated them the

1090
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: other night for the Washington game. They have to go

1091
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: eleven and seven, by the way, because they're down a

1092
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: couple of bodies and curtisals are Noah Felp. They have

1093
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: seven defensemen on the roster. They're up against the cap

1094
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: right now.

1095
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: The Boilers have been going eleven and seven since Gretzky

1096
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: was Edmonton, and I cannot remember the last time Edmonton

1097
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: played twelve and six seriously between injury and cap reasons

1098
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: over the last eighteen years.

1099
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: And still watching mister Rogers back then.

1100
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: Gosh, man, well, hey, how about the Knights that they

1101
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: had to dress like nineteen skaters because of cap implications? Right,

1102
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: You're like, what are we doing here? So there's been

1103
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: that and uh and then McDavid and dry Sattle. It

1104
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: took seven minutes for Chris Nablock to reunite them in Washington.

1105
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: That's how bad things were boring the other night. And

1106
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: people get frustrated around here because they're like, those guys

1107
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: are supposed to drive their own lines. That's the term,

1108
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: that's the hot word, buzzword, whatever you want to call

1109
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: it around here. It's like, well, Leon drives his online

1110
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Connor drives his own line. Go find competent wingers for

1111
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: both those guys, and you got a top six. Yeah.

1112
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: In theory, that's great. In practice, it's been spotty at best.

1113
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: So the nuclear option as we call it, they rely

1114
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: on a lot. Obviously, they have those two killing penalties

1115
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: together this year, which puzzles a lot of people, myself included,

1116
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: because prior to that they would come on at the

1117
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: end of a penalty kill and try to take the

1118
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: momentum back after a good PK and that was a strategy,

1119
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: but that's changed where those two are now killing penalties

1120
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: and that's a head scratcher. And then at the end

1121
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: of the night, we're watching them minimum twenty three to

1122
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes on the time on ice sheet when

1123
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: you're looking at the game log. So it's frustrating a

1124
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: lot of people. And then guys get cold on the bench.

1125
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: They're not out on the ice for like literally ten

1126
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: minutes at a time, and they they end up with

1127
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: minimal minutes and their impact. People are going, why aren't

1128
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: they getting depth scoring, Well, it's because they're rolling out

1129
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: ninety seven to twenty nine with whoever else is kind

1130
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: of going that night, every second shift. And it's become

1131
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: this this issue. But it isn't a Chris Knoblock problem.

1132
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: It has not been a Chris no Block only problem.

1133
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: It goes all the way back to when Todd mccollin

1134
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: was the coach. When he figured out that he had

1135
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: two super superstars on the on the roster, he would

1136
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: go to that and then it continued with Ken Hitchcock

1137
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: when he was briefly the coach, Dave Tippett did it,

1138
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: much to the chagrin of a lot of the fans.

1139
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: Right Croft kind of went away from it early and

1140
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: then went right back to it. I mean, it's it's

1141
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: the default, you know, break glass in case of emergency

1142
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: type of play, and I think it's always going to

1143
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 2: be the case when these guys are on the same

1144
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: team together for the part their careers.

1145
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 5: That's hard from a players standpoint too, Like externally to

1146
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: the media, they're I was going to say, hey, I'm

1147
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 5: happy to be playing with so and so great hockey player,

1148
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 5: but I think internally, as a player, you want some consistency.

1149
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: I'm not saying for eighty two games, but gosh, it'd

1150
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 5: be nice for twenty games to have the same wingers

1151
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 5: you know, don't work with, to get some chemistry with.

1152
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 5: And when that's changing constantly, like oh, our center is

1153
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 5: going to play with McDavid for a few shifts. Oh

1154
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 5: they're out killing penalties, so someone else is going to

1155
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 5: be my center on the next ship. That's hard to

1156
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 5: get some flow going in a game, and certainly over

1157
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 5: a bunch of games doesn't. It doesn't give you any chemistry.

1158
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: No, And you can tell when they're out there with

1159
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: anyone else or on their line from the morning rush

1160
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: that day, they're just like, well, those guys don't look

1161
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: like they have any any flow together whatsoever, and it

1162
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a surprise at all. So Leon Dreysaddle even

1163
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: made a joke about it doesn't matter what we skate

1164
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: in our in our lines in the morning, because we

1165
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: know it's going to be switched up by the time

1166
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: we get to the game. He's joking about it. Yeah,

1167
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: and you're going like, should you be saying that publicly?

1168
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: And he's just saying he's spitting facts.

1169
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: So the follow up questionaire here is does even care?

1170
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so, you know what I mean? They

1171
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: know it's when they get called out. Those guys they're

1172
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: true superstars, and they just they roll with the punches.

1173
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: They've been through so much crap in this market over

1174
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: the years, the ups and downs that I think they're

1175
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: so just used to and and fine with handling whatever

1176
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: is thrown at them, like all right, well, let's go

1177
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: to work and dig dig the team out. And sometimes

1178
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: they cause the problems too.

1179
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, Tom, I want to I want to switch gears,

1180
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: and I want to enter the part of the interview

1181
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: called tick Mike benton Off. So you cover the league,

1182
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: you know the league, you're you're in the Pacific Division.

1183
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: The one word that we the one thing we hear

1185
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: about the Cracking all the time. This team does not

1186
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 3: have superstars. They're not exciting, they don't have this.

1187
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 5: They don't have that.

1188
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: I want to get yours.

1189
01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: I'll be over here sipping coff.

1190
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get your view on the we'll

1191
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: call it sex appeal of the Seattle Kracket. They're winning games,

1192
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: They're off to their best start in franchise at at

1193
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: the time of this recording. Uh, the Kracking are coming

1194
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: off of a three to two win over Chicago in

1195
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: which they got three goals in the third period. So,

1196
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: last time I checked, winning is sexy. And apparently the

1197
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: national media don't think this team is that sexy. So

1198
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: from your opinion and from what you're hearing up north

1199
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 3: and around the league's what is the general sex appeal

1200
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: of the Seattle Cracking. Well, I like this.

1201
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: We're getting dicey here. No, No, this is good. I'm

1202
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: I think they caught a lot of people's attention a

1203
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: couple of years ago when they knocked the Avs out

1204
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, and that turned a lot of heads. Now,

1205
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: like you can go up and down the roster, and

1206
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 2: if you don't know the NHL or haven't paid attention

1207
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: to it in a little while, you're probably going, well,

1208
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: I've heard of so and so. You know, Oh Jordan Everley, Okay, yeah,

1209
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: oh Adam Lars Like I'm pointing out for more oilers here,

1210
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: but uh, Tanev was kind of like a cult hero

1211
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: for a while because of his his pictures that he

1212
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: would take prior to the start of the season.

1213
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: Right.

1214
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: But to me, when I look at the cracket, I

1215
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: honestly just see a team of like really good players,

1216
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: Like it looks like line one is solid, line two,

1217
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: solid line is three, solid line four solid good defense

1218
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: with good defense with good defense, Like I don't I

1219
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: don't see superstars yet, Like I'm looking for Maddy Beniers

1220
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: to become one. I like what he didn't obviously great

1221
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: rookie year. Have they gone out and made sexy free

1222
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: agent signings. I'm not gonna lie. I appreciate Chandler Stevenson.

1223
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: I liked him in Vegas, Like, thank you I'm somebody

1224
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: who's like, wow, that guy plays good hockey. I appreciate it,

1225
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: but he's not gonna go and and rip down the

1226
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: ice at whatever it's like thirty seven kilometers an hour

1227
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: as we say in Canada.

1228
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 5: Currently, his expected goal share is not very high, which I.

1229
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: Don't even know expected goal share is so like I

1230
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 3: read that the other night. Yeah, a lot of folks.

1231
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna call anyone out, but there's a lot

1232
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: of people and in the media core that rely so

1233
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 3: heavily on the advanced stats, and I'm like, watch the

1234
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 3: guy play. I mean, like, just look open your eyes, Like, yeah, sure,

1235
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: his advanced stats, his goal shots per sixty share cube

1236
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: on a Thursday probably isn't that good. But watch the

1237
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: guy play. I mean, he's one of the best players

1238
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 3: every single night on the Guys. He's your best face

1239
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: off guy. But just because his high danger thoughts per

1240
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: twelve is not good, Like I'm sorry, I'm over it.

1241
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm over it.

1242
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: Oh well, don't get me started, because you and I

1243
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: could have a nice argument about saves expected or oh

1244
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: yes expected.

1245
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: As a goalie, my expected goals against is zero. Okay,

1246
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 3: because as a goalie, I expect to give up zero.

1247
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: So I don't understand, well, is expected goals was five

1248
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: and a half over five?

1249
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: Do we want to push this show to three hours?

1250
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: Like essentially with with the goal like, I'll say this

1251
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: one thing about the goalie expected What you're telling me

1252
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: with an equation and a Excel spreadsheet is that you're

1253
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: not getting one or two extra saves a game that

1254
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: you need.

1255
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: Just say that.

1256
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: That's all you're telling me, really, and like if you

1257
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,959
Speaker 2: want to break it down to its most finite point

1258
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: and find a way to equate it to numbers, okay,

1259
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: But essentially you're telling me you're not getting one or

1260
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: two extra saves a night. Your team's losing.

1261
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: There.

1262
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. So there's that. But what

1263
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: like to come back to, like the sexiness of the

1264
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: Seattle Crack and I have since their inception into the league,

1265
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: I've just looked at them as a team that has

1266
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: has built on a solid foundation and then eventually, like

1267
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: those sexy piece is will come in, whether it's via

1268
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: free agency or you draft a couple of studs that

1269
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: eventually turn into two superstars. And I think that's a solid,

1270
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: safe way to start a franchise. You're not gonna Golden

1271
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: Knights this thing every time you have a new expansion franchise.

1272
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: That was a lightning in a bottle situation. I know

1273
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: they have an aggressive owner and they've they've been able.

1274
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: They were what were they called the misfits right their

1275
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: first year toys, Yeah, and then they they're super aggressive

1276
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: management team is you know, moved out a lot of

1277
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: great pieces, brought in a lot of great pieces. That's

1278
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: it's tough to sustain that. To their credit, for the

1279
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: most part, they have. But the way the cracket have

1280
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: been built I can appreciate as a fan of the game,

1281
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: someone who grew up playing it, watching covering. I just

1282
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: eventually the Kracking will be a sexy team. And when

1283
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: they're rattling off ten game winning streaks and have one

1284
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: of the top players in the league or one of

1285
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: the best goalies in the league, people will pay attention.

1286
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: And especially if they're knocking off the defending Cup champs

1287
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: and in the first round of the playoffs.

1288
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,479
Speaker 5: In the meantime, they're gonna get points in six of seven.

1289
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: That sounds pretty good to me. And I'm not good

1290
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: at math.

1291
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: Evidently you've already seen Edmonton has seen Dallas once this year.

1292
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: The krack and have seen them once this year, and

1293
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: you know they come as advertised. But as far as

1294
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: what Dallas is doing at this point of the season,

1295
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of players who are back

1296
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: in all of this and begins a meeko ranton in

1297
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: to you, what are they doing that again makes them

1298
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: such a big threat in the West.

1299
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: Man They have a lot of good pieces, Let's start

1300
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: with that. They have a great head coach, a guy

1301
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: have a lot of time for and Glenn Gullotson, and

1302
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: it feels like they're no nonsense whenever they're in town

1303
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: or we see the Oilers in Dallas, it just seems

1304
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: like a team like, Okay, we know we're good, we

1305
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: have a game plan that we trust, we have goalies

1306
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: that we trust, or you know, Jake Ore being their starter.

1307
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: That's a guy that I would look at every day

1308
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: if I was a player, I'd be like, I think

1309
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 2: we have a good chance of winning tonight. And they

1310
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: just they've done a good job of just playing hockey

1311
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: the right way and understanding who they are, what they are,

1312
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: and what they're capable of. And it's pretty pretty straightforward

1313
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: to me like, we're good. We know we're good. We

1314
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: have the pieces. Let's go do things the right way

1315
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: and not you know, get convoluted and full of ourselves

1316
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: and shoot yourselves in the foot. They just to me,

1317
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: they're very straightforward and they have the guys and the

1318
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: horses that can get the job done and they run

1319
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: I just I mean, and the media market there is

1320
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: you know, you're not crazy, like in Canada. You don't

1321
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: have people that are you know, at a gas station

1322
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: telling you what you need.

1323
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: To do with your for check.

1324
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:40,879
Speaker 1: Flights.

1325
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, part of part of like, I truly believe

1326
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: there's something to that, Like when it's like NonStop every day,

1327
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: that could be tough, like a wear on guys, especially

1328
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: if they're not built for this type of hockey climate.

1329
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: And I feel like in Dallas's just everything's so nice

1330
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: and easy, very comfortable.

1331
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Alex Wenberg one time on the street

1332
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: about three blocks away from Climate Pledge Arena, I presume

1333
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: where he was living at an apartment complex, but it

1334
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: was just outside walking his dog and it was right

1335
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: by the corner of a CBS pharmacy and I thought,

1336
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: you can't do that in Vancouver. In edminton in Calgary

1337
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: and definitely not Toronto or Montreal.

1338
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, can you imagine just like going to the

1339
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 2: rink and what are you gonna do after practice? I

1340
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: might go hit some balls at the range. There's an

1341
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: ease to that, and then it's like, well, you guys

1342
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: play the best team in the league tomorrow. Yeah, but

1343
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: we're good too, so I like our chances. It feels

1344
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: like Dallas has that vibe every time I traveled there,

1345
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: when I was traveling with the Oilers, I was just like,

1346
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: this would be a great place to play, and I

1347
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: think that kind of environment can lead to success. So

1348
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: that's just kind of how I look at the Stars.

1349
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: They've been good. They put the right pieces in place.

1350
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: I think Jim Nill is a great great GM appreciate you.

1351
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: You're always welcome back here, mamble touch base again here

1352
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: pretty soon. Thanks man.

1353
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. All right.

1354
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: Good to hear from Tom Gazola joining us here on

1355
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: the Beacon Plumbing Hotline again. Tommy doing great work with

1356
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: Edmonton sports Talk radio and also with NHL Network as well.

1357
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: I just want to touch on Dallas and Edmonton a

1358
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: little bit, guys, as far as our own takes on

1359
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: this Dallas, you're gonna get the first game back from

1360
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: Miko Ranton and after the one game suspension, and then Edmonton.

1361
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, hockey players have long memories, and you're

1362
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: gonna get a team that is still, you know, a

1363
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: bit top seed turvy. They they laid the hammer down

1364
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: on Florida to end their road trip here, but I

1365
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: would bet that they're remembering how this first matchup went

1366
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: back in late October. So you've got Dallas, who is

1367
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: playing terrific hockey right now. You've got Edmonton who just

1368
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: it seems like they're always one or two big games

1369
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: away from flipping the switch despite their goaltending issues. What

1370
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: makes you confident? What's your biggest concern here for these

1371
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: two games coming up.

1372
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 5: I think just in the same way that Edmonton is

1373
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 5: going to think about the last time they came together

1374
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 5: with the Crack and the next time they play, I

1375
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 5: think it'll be the same for the Cracket. In that

1376
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 5: Dallas game, that two to one lost down in Dallas,

1377
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 5: they had thirty one shots on goal, which you know

1378
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 5: see above, that's a high not a high water mark,

1379
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 5: but that's a high amount of shots for this team.

1380
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 5: But they still came out on the short end of

1381
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 5: the sticks. So for the same reasons, they're going to

1382
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 5: want to get that get that one back and and

1383
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 5: equalize that series.

1384
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with Dallas. You know, the for Seattle,

1385
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: I mean, Dallas is coming off of a back to back.

1386
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: They'll be in Edmonton on Tuesday, and the crackett are

1387
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: now too eight and three against teams in game twos

1388
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: of back to backs since last season, So you're trying

1389
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 3: to buck that trend. I think. I think Dallas now,

1390
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: you know, they've got I've got what two four, six,

1391
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 3: one and one in their last eight games, seven to

1392
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 3: two and one in their last ten. I mean, that's

1393
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 3: gonna be the toughest one for me for the Edmonton Oilers.

1394
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I said this last week, and the

1395
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 3: saving grace is that these these standings are pretty bunched

1396
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 3: up here as I pull up the standing sheet. So

1397
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: Seattle right now sitting in second place at twenty eight points,

1398
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: Edmonton three back at twenty five, They're tied with San

1399
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 3: Jose one back of LA. You're getting to a point

1400
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 3: in the season and maybe in another four weeks, maybe

1401
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 3: we get to the Christmas break You're getting to a

1402
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: point this season where the teams behind you are going

1403
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: to have to start going on runs if they want

1404
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 3: to keep pace, if they want to keep up, they're

1405
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: gonna have to win five of six, they're gonna have

1406
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: to win seven of ten, whatever it is. Edmonton's coming

1407
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 3: off with seven out of fourteen points on this last

1408
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 3: seven game road trip, right, I don't think that's good

1409
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: enough for Edmonton. And you're right, Mike. The second you think,

1410
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: all right, the Oilers have figured this out, then did

1411
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: they lose a game? Maybe they shouldn't have lost on

1412
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 3: that road trip. They were two three and one in

1413
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: those six games, right, so that that are two three,

1414
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: three and one, sorry, those in those seven games. I

1415
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: don't think that's good enough for this team. And and

1416
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 3: goaltending still continues to be an issue, But I'm not

1417
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: gonna say that it's a must win. But I think

1418
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 3: if you're trying to prove that this Kraken team has

1419
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: taken that next step, if you want to try to

1420
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: silence a lot of those voices that are saying this

1421
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: team's not sexy enough, they can't score enough, they're a

1422
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 3: paper tiger. This team's not gonna do it. You gotta

1423
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: beat Dallas in game two of a back to back,

1424
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 3: and you have to beat Edmonton again in a matinee,

1425
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: and you're building you know, are these must win games

1426
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: this week? I don't think we're there yet, but I

1427
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 3: think they are definitely you probably should win these games.

1428
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: I mean minimum three out of four points. You beat

1429
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: one and then you lose another overtime shootout whatever. Of

1430
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 3: these two games this week, you need three points.

1431
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 5: Minimally, and something in common in both of those games

1432
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 5: that the Kracking have played against Dallas Edmonton as of

1433
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 5: late that the Cracking we're zero for three on the

1434
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 5: power play in both games. They've got to be better

1435
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 5: on the power play. I'm not saying it's got to

1436
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 5: be three for three, but they're going to be able

1437
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 5: to get a power play goal if they're given three

1438
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 5: opportunities in a game, at least in one of those games.

1439
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 5: That's going to push them over the top.

1440
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: Let's get to our mailbag segment here, as we promise again,

1441
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: you can find the Krack and Audio Network at Crack

1442
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: and Audio Net, myself at and Underscore, Mike Everetts at

1443
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: the Voice fits Alconiski is at Alconiski as well. First

1444
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 1: question here from gort One saying, what priority do you

1445
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: believe the crack in front office are placing on making

1446
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: a playoff run this year? Meaning are they willing to

1447
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: sell potential long term assets or top draft capital to

1448
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: add a short term piece that helps secure a playoff

1449
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: spot here for this season. I go back and tee

1450
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: it up here for you guys by saying it's early.

1451
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 1: There are no names out there being dangled, and again

1452
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: we heard a lot about maybe Tage Thompson, but the

1453
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: Sabers are saying he's not going to be available. But

1454
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: here's again the tricky part, because you're facing right now

1455
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: a season where you're playing above expectations and the low

1456
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: bar was to just be in the mix, and you're

1457
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: pushing for a division you know you're pushing for number

1458
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 1: one right now in your own division. How much do

1459
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 1: you want to disrupt the core with what is making

1460
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: this happen right now? How much do you want to

1461
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: give up future pieces that might be helpful years upon

1462
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: years down the road, like they have said they want

1463
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 1: to put into place.

1464
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 5: I think you do a little bit of scratching at that.

1465
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 5: You're obviously not calling thirty one teams, but maybe you're

1466
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 5: a little selective and you're making a few phone calls

1467
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 5: to a few particular gms to find.

1468
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: It because we all know what they need, right yeah,

1469
01:15:59,120 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: right right?

1470
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 5: And and I think this team doesn't need goaltending, they

1471
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 5: don't need defenseman, they need a top six forward. The

1472
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 5: question is going to be what do you have to

1473
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 5: give up to get that to get that top six forward?

1474
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 5: And who is that top six forward? But I think

1475
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 5: scratching the surface a little bit to find out if

1476
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 5: that top six forward is out there and what it

1477
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 5: would take to get them is worth the phone call.

1478
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean you're always going to listen, you're always

1479
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: going to inquire. But Al said it perfectly, and I

1480
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 3: said it last year. Everybody loves to say crack and

1481
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 3: should go get this guy, crack and should go get

1482
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: that guy. Okay, Well, let's work the problem backwards. If

1483
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: you were another team, who on this crack and roster

1484
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: would you want? And those are the guys that you're

1485
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 3: going to have to give up to get that piece.

1486
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 3: So if it doesn't make in my opinion, if it

1487
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: doesn't make your team better but demonstrably better, then then

1488
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 3: I think you know, it's not worth it. The mission

1489
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 3: has always been since day one. This is a marathon,

1490
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: it's not a sprint. You know, you do you have

1491
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: a lot of prospects in the cupboard. I am interested

1492
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 3: to see with all of the centerman at least as

1493
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 3: of right now centerman that we have in this organization.

1494
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 3: You know, do one of the prospects get floated that

1495
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 3: we haven't seen yet? You know a lot of potential.

1496
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 3: Do you sell high on potential? I've always wondered that,

1497
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 3: but it's got to make sense and right now for

1498
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: what you would have to give up off this current

1499
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 3: roster unless you're bringing back a forty goal scorer, unless

1500
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 3: you're bringing Miko Rannon, unless you're bringing Zach Hyman. Right,

1501
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm just picking out guys who you know that can score,

1502
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: unless you're going to bring back, you know, Martin Ahius,

1503
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 3: one of those type of players. I don't see a

1504
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 3: trade worth it. I don't see a deal just to

1505
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 3: make a deal worth it.

1506
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 5: You only have three options. You've got you've got draft picks,

1507
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 5: you've got prospects, and you've got current players.

1508
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1509
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 5: Right, So it's some combination of and I think when

1510
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 5: you're talking about draft picks and prospects, it's a little

1511
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 5: bit less painful, certainly on the draft pick side because

1512
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: you don't know who that is. But when you start

1513
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 5: talking about prospects, especially you know, the players that I

1514
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 5: think this organization is expecting to see in cracking jerseys

1515
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 5: in coming years, that gets a little more painful. And

1516
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 5: you know, you start talking about top pairing defenseman to

1517
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 5: get top line forwards, that's a little bit painful. So

1518
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 5: it really just depends on what that other team is

1519
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 5: looking for.

1520
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: And say, I'll say this too also fits if I

1521
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: can tee it up for you and kind of bridge

1522
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: all of this. It really depends upon how much how

1523
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: far do you want to go to add all these

1524
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: big pieces again, because it depends upon you know, how

1525
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: you weigh the kind of window that you're in. Are

1526
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: they in a win now window like Vegas the answer

1527
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: is no, Like Toronto the answer is no. Like Edminton

1528
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: the answer is no. So it really kind of begs

1529
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: a team to weigh these out and say, what's the

1530
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: best we can maximize this season without giving up the

1531
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: long term window that we want to get to down

1532
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: the road.

1533
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, and listen, if we knew this

1534
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 3: cracking team was one or two pieces away from being

1535
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: a cup team, then get fine. You know, we'll make

1536
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 3: that decision. But I think I want to have this

1537
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 3: conversation January tenth, when hopefully Jared McCann has been back

1538
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 3: for six weeks, hopefully, when Coppol Cocko's been back for

1539
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: six weeks hopefully, right, I want to have this conversation

1540
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 3: when you get those two guys back and they're contributing

1541
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 3: on a nightly basis, and see what you still need,

1542
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 3: because again, January tenth, you're going on that long road

1543
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 3: trip out east. Let's say, let's say, hypothetically speaking, hypothetical speaking,

1544
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 3: Jared McCann, Coppol Coco have been back for four weeks. Okay,

1545
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: let's say in four weeks they each have ten goals

1546
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: and you know, pick your number of assists. Well, then

1547
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 3: there's your problem, right, there's a half a goal of

1548
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: game you got back. Now you are a three goal team,

1549
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: you're a three to one team, a four to two

1550
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: team as opposed to a two to one team. Then

1551
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 3: maybe you're going into the deadline, you're looking at your

1552
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 3: assets and say, okay, maybe we don't need to be

1553
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 3: as active as we should be, or maybe we can

1554
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 3: afford to get rid of these pieces to bring someone

1555
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 3: else in. But if you're still waiting on a McCann

1556
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 3: or a couple of Cocko to come back again, this

1557
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: is a hypothetical scenario, then your needs change. So after

1558
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 3: the new year, when the crack can go on that

1559
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 3: long trip out east to New York, I think then

1560
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: we can maybe start to have that conversation of all right,

1561
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: who in your top who in your middle six to

1562
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 3: bottom six are you willing to part with? Who in

1563
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 3: your bottom payer defense, in your top prospect pool, in

1564
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: your draft pool? Who are you willing to part with

1565
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: in order to get that piece you need right now?

1566
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 3: So let's wait and let's have this conversation and again

1567
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 3: when you know, hopefully when you have those guys back

1568
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 3: in your lineup.

1569
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: One from Daniel on Twitter and next saying is the

1570
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: Yannie Newman, Shane right, Berkeley Catton line. A thing I

1571
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: noticed they were on the ice together while listening to

1572
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 1: the radio broadcast Plus one. Daniel, thank you very much.

1573
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: Wasn't sure if that was a temporary situation or not.

1574
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the kid lines? I think again,

1575
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: you want to maximize your playing time here, But again

1576
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: this goes back to if you do this from a

1577
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: full scale, permanent situation, Yannie Newman, Shane Right, Berkeley Catton

1578
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: are only staying there together as long as Lane Lambert

1579
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: has enough trust and confidence for them to be effective

1580
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,440
Speaker 1: at both ends of the ice heavy emphasis here defensively

1581
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: as well, and you're not putting your team at risk.

1582
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think as we've seen with Lane Lambert,

1583
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 3: he is very trusting in the groupings that he puts together.

1584
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: I didn't hate that line. I thought they did a

1585
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 3: lot of really good things, uh in that game. But

1586
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: I do think I don't know if we're going to

1587
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 3: see that line together to start a game or or

1588
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 3: for a lot because of what you just said, right,

1589
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you need to have the trust there. I

1590
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 3: think as as Newman and Right and and Berkeley Catten,

1591
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 3: as they continue to to grow into their roles, I

1592
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: think you're going to see a lot more of that.

1593
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't quote unquote call it a thing yet,

1594
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 3: but I will say I didn't mind what I saw

1595
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: when they were together.

1596
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you look at the bottom six from that game,

1597
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 5: Catten with Newman and Gudrou in the middle, and Kara

1598
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 5: with Bright and Winterton. Gadreu is the old man of

1599
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,560
Speaker 5: those six, He's the guy that's in his thirties, and

1600
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 5: the rest of the rest of those guys are still kids.

1601
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 5: They're there, they're they're not that far out of out

1602
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 5: of Coachella. They're coming up. So it's tough to just

1603
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 5: take three of them call them the kid line, not

1604
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 5: bottom six, as young as a group right now. Yes,

1605
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 5: can all change when Compococco and jere McCann come back,

1606
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 5: But for right now, I think Lee Lambert is trying

1607
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: to find the right combination of those six people that

1608
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 5: puts the best players on the ice and generates more

1609
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 5: shooting opportunities, more scoring opportunities. And you know, for a

1610
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 5: guy like Berkeley Catt and I think we're learning. I

1611
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 5: think I've seen enough to learn that he probably can

1612
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 5: be effective on the wing as well as in the middle.

1613
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 5: And I'm okay with him being on the wing right now.

1614
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 5: I think we've seen Shane Wright on the wing. So

1615
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 5: to have guys that can be utility players like that,

1616
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 5: to say I can go wing or center. Let let's

1617
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 5: put the best two lines on the ice that we

1618
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 5: can that makes them more valuable.

1619
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 3: And I think too this all goes this could all

1620
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 3: be tied back into the trade conversation, asset conversation, because

1621
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 3: right now, organizationally, you're looking at Matty bine Er, Shane Wright,

1622
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 3: Chandler Steves and Berkeley Kat and jac O'Brien. There's five

1623
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 3: centers right there, right all five of those guys potentially

1624
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 3: could be should be top to at worst top three centiment.

1625
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 3: So if you can move Catton to the wing, we've

1626
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: seen Shane Wright play the wing a little bit, it

1627
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: opens yourself up to a lot more possibilities, like you

1628
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 3: just said, down the road, and you can find a

1629
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 3: place for all of those players who you expect to

1630
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 3: be big point guys for a generation to come. You

1631
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 3: don't have to beg the question, well man, this guy

1632
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: can only play center. I'd really like it if you

1633
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: could play the wing. But he can't, Well, now you

1634
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 3: have to move him out, or now you have to

1635
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 3: put him on our fourth line because we need to

1636
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 3: find room for him on the roster because he can't

1637
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: play wing. I love Berkeley Katton on the wing. I

1638
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 3: think he's looked good there. I think Shane Wright has

1639
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 3: shown some promise on the wing as well, but he's

1640
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 3: had to play on that side. I'm all for trying

1641
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: these guys out, and I'm all for that flexibility to

1642
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: plug and play guys where you need them.

1643
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Time to get to our three stars here for this

1644
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: past week, and I'll start off once again. My third

1645
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: star is going to go to Riker Evans, who has

1646
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: been a revelation offensively so far through his first eight games.

1647
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Didn't score in the Islander game. No one did, matter

1648
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: of fact, but six points first eight games and it

1649
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: was a tough offensive week. But guess it was your

1650
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: leading scorer for this past week. It was him four

1651
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: points four games. Could you have seen this year from

1652
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: Riker Evans? It was something special? And then you go

1653
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 1: to the Islander game as well, after he had a

1654
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 1: pair of assists in that win. In a thriller at Pittsburgh,

1655
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: he had two block shots, had a hit as well.

1656
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: In nineteen minutes and forty one seconds of ice time.

1657
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: Unless your name is Adam Larson, Brandon Montour or Vince Dunn,

1658
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: that's your most hused defenseman on this roster. At nineteen

1659
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: forty one, he was reliable he's been dependable, and I

1660
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: think he's been terrific here and this road trip showed

1661
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: me a little bit more. As far as what you

1662
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: want out of Ryker Evans your second star, my pick

1663
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: is Matty Benier's. If you can get more of what

1664
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: you got out out of the Pittsburgh game, you're going

1665
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: to be in business with this guy helping drive your

1666
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: line as your number one center. And the more and

1667
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: more that you can get timely goals like you got

1668
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: from him out in period three is defensive game which

1669
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: continues here to improve more and more if you can

1670
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: kind of coax face off wins as well from him.

1671
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: Didn't have maybe the most ideal dig against the Islanders,

1672
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: but he's showing more and more of the kind of

1673
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: player that he wants to turn into. He had grade

1674
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: five on five shot attempt metrics and both wins at

1675
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Chicago and Pittsburgh incremental improvements are right now for me.

1676
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: What defianes Matty Beniers in the first star number one,

1677
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: it's goal attending. I couldn't give it to one guy.

1678
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: I had to give it here to both. Joey Decord

1679
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: rebounded after a subpar game against Detroit. Looked great after

1680
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: the first period against Chicago and was as good as

1681
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: you can ask in the Islander game, where unfortunately he

1682
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: had no offensive support. There's not many leaky goals getting

1683
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: by Joey. That's a good thing. And there have been

1684
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: rare goals that we have seen recently that gru Bauer

1685
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: has given up. And if you can get the kind

1686
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: of defense that they can build around for gru Bauer

1687
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: to spell the cord when he's got to take a seat,

1688
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: you're in business. And so far goaltending is helping drive

1689
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: this bus here on the cracking side. First our effort

1690
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 1: combining here to both Joey, to Courd and Philip Greenbauer.

1691
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 5: So some of the same names. For me, Mikey, I

1692
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 5: had Matty Veneers as my third star, points in three

1693
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 5: of five games, fifth on the team, and shot blocks

1694
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 5: right now, that really surprises me. I wouldn't have guessed

1695
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 5: that he'd be in the in the in the top

1696
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 5: five for blocking shots in this team last year. So

1697
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 5: twenty two on the season so far. And by the way,

1698
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 5: the four guys that are above him all defenseman, so

1699
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 5: defense defense, and then it's Matti Mniir. So you know,

1700
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 5: a leader to me is someone that obviously is getting

1701
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 5: the job done offensively when you need to, but also

1702
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 5: sacrificing himself. We've seen that in the on the on

1703
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 5: the road trip for sure. Second star, I'm going to

1704
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 5: give it to Grubauer. I really wanted to give him

1705
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 5: the first Star, but I think that misplayed puck behind

1706
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 5: the net in Pittsburgh knocked him down a spot. Still

1707
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 5: my second star. He's got a nine to one six

1708
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 5: save percentage over the last four games. He's been playing great.

1709
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 5: He relieved Matt Murray in that in that center of

1710
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 5: a game. Uh two point sixty six goals against average

1711
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 5: and the over the over, the the four, the three,

1712
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 5: the three starts he's had. I really like the way

1713
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: he's played played. I just don't want him to think

1714
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 5: that he always has to play the puck, because Joey

1715
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 5: always plays the puck. Do what you do best, stop pucks,

1716
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 5: and I think you're fine there. My number one star

1717
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 5: is Joey Decord. Two point two goals against average in

1718
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 5: his last five starts nine oh three in that same series,

1719
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 5: plus the shutout in Long Island. Shutouts are always things

1720
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 5: that stand out for me for goaltenders. Being able to

1721
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 5: keep that zero up on the board to give his chance,

1722
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 5: his team a chance to win with this one goal.

1723
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 5: That's huge. He's my number one star.

1724
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one was a little tough for me. There

1725
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: were all a lot of areas, a lot of ways

1726
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I could have gone with this one. I think my

1727
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 3: for me, my my number one star or my my

1728
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 3: number three star. I'm going to go cracking defense overall.

1729
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 3: I think in the in the three games on the road,

1730
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 3: the four games on the road, you only allow eight

1731
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: goals in those four games. So I defensively, especially in

1732
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 3: game two against the Islanders, I mean I couldn't single

1733
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: out one person because they all played so well. They

1734
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 3: were all blocking shots, like you said, even though Matty Benier's,

1735
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, was a ford. I'm just gonna go the

1736
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 3: sixth defenseman. Those are my that's my number three star.

1737
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 3: This was a hard one for me. But I'm gonna

1738
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 3: give Mason Marshmiant my number two star. I think that

1739
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm giving I'm giving Marshman my number two star. He

1740
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: has quietly been putting together points in four of his

1741
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,799
Speaker 3: last six games. He had a goal and two assists

1742
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 3: on the trip. He had some good looks in that

1743
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 3: game against the other night, so I'm gonna be amort.

1744
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 3: He had the important goal, the very important goal again

1745
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 3: against Pittsburgh, unforgettable, Selly and an onforgettable. I think the

1746
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,679
Speaker 3: celebration is why I'm giving Mason marsh Remember two stars.

1747
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 3: And then and then Mike I felt I was terrible.

1748
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: Three me three, me three.

1749
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 3: I felt so bad for laughing, but it was just

1750
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 3: I needed to put the Benny Hill music to it right.

1751
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 3: Just but he got the goal and again plus two

1752
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 3: on the week. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it to

1753
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 3: to march Man and then again I'm with you, Mikey

1754
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 3: my number one star. I couldn't single either one of

1755
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 3: them out. Joey gets the shutout. Grubauer made massive saves

1756
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: this week. I'm gonna go goaltending as I think I've

1757
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 3: done twice already as my number one overall star of

1758
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 3: the week.

1759
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving plans. We know who's coming over. Fitz has got

1760
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: the party of the thing about sixty four going over there.

1761
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Al's got to believe the intimate gathering. I got the

1762
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: intimate gathering as well. So as far as food on

1763
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: the table, if you could pick one big one or

1764
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: one's gotta go. I'll go with this one. We have

1765
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,560
Speaker 1: tried turkey and ham over and over. We love it.

1766
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: But my kids won't eat turkey, and my ten year

1767
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: old has asked, can we try steaks? I love steak,

1768
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Amy love steaks. My seven year old will try it.

1769
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: It's going down here for Thanksgiving New York's trips, my

1770
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: dad's mac and cheese. I don't think we're going with

1771
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: the canned yams though. That one's gotta go. But we're

1772
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: doing roasted sweet potatoes on top of that.

1773
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 5: I think about the question a little bit differently, Mike.

1774
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 5: I think about it if I sat down at the

1775
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 5: table and I started looking around, what's the one dish

1776
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 5: that I would be like, this is ridiculous, I'm leaving.

1777
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 5: If it wasn't on the table, and you know what,

1778
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 5: for me, that would be the gravy.

1779
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 1: Gravy.

1780
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 5: Listen, Turkey's turkey. We haven't a couple of times a year,

1781
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 5: no one goes, oh the turkey, it's the best in

1782
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 5: the world. Like it's usually pretty good, but you got

1783
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 5: to have the gravy on top. I love stuffing. I'll

1784
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 5: eat stuffing from anybody's table like a little bit. I

1785
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 5: like a little bit of gravy on. I'll put the

1786
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 5: gravy on the beans. I don't care. I want the

1787
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 5: gravy on the table. The gravy has to be on

1788
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,799
Speaker 5: the table. The one dish that I could do without.

1789
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 5: I don't need marshmallows on top of my vegetables, Like

1790
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 5: I just still need those things. Just invented that, by

1791
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 5: the way, someone that didn't like vegetables.

1792
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love. I make a really good sweet potata

1793
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 3: casserole and it calls for marshmallows, and I will.

1794
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: That's different though.

1795
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I've put I've put I've put nia

1796
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 3: marshmallow on my castle. I'm with you, I am in

1797
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 3: the Turkey is supremely overrated category. I will still eat it.

1798
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: It just gets dry at it. You can baste it,

1799
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 3: you can put all the stuffing you want, you can

1800
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 3: put all the juice needles you want into it. It

1801
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 3: still is overrated. I think we're gonna that's butter. Yeah,

1802
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 3: all right, I've done the champagne glazer, all the gravy

1803
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 3: in the world. It's still dry. So I think turkey's overrated.

1804
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,520
Speaker 3: The one food that I can do without on Thanksgiving,

1805
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 3: and it's not if it's there, I'm gonna eat it,

1806
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 3: but like, I don't need it mashed potatoes. Like I

1807
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 3: like mashed potatoes, but I think between the sweet potatoes,

1808
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,679
Speaker 3: between the stuff ping and the greens and the macaroni

1809
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 3: and cheese, I got enough starch on my plate, and

1810
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 3: mashed potatoes just takes up a lot of unnecessary room.

1811
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna not eat them. But if someone's like, hey,

1812
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 3: we don't really need mat ptatoes, I'm like, great, neither

1813
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: do I.

1814
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: My turkey goes in there anyway. If I'm having turkey,

1815
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: something else goes in there. Butter goes in there. You

1816
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: just can't eat it straight up. And I will at

1817
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: least say this with turkey, you can make sandwich this year,

1818
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: but eventually it just goes all into my dad's mac

1819
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: and cheese at the very end of it.

1820
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 3: We're doing a big ham for Thanksgiving this year.

1821
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 1: Oh love it, love it. And as far as take

1822
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: is concerned, folks, if you're asking me medium, I'm rare.

1823
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: The only way to go unless you ask. My wife

1824
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: loves it well done. She will not have it any

1825
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: other way, and she is completely unapologetic about it.

1826
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 3: There's anything wrong or if you're Alkiniski. You want it blue.

1827
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Still it's still moving, just.

1828
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 5: Taking the fridge ten minutes for weed. I'm good.

1829
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it, that's it.

1830
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: Looking forward to this. It's nice to have a little

1831
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: bit of time off here with some balance. We're gonna

1832
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: start craving hockey again here pretty soon, but just two

1833
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: games here for this week. All around Thanksgiving. Al had

1834
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: a nice seguae. It's Gravy Boat Night, by the way,

1835
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: plus the third Jersey Night going down here for Wednesday.

1836
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 1: So get your tickets now if you have done so

1837
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: at NHL dot com slash Cracking. More details there as

1838
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: well that I'll do it here for us though, big

1839
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: thank you, Tom Gozola forever at for Al. I'm my cappy. Thanksgiving.

1840
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Talk to you later.

1841
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 5: You're home for the Cracking.

1842
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