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Speaker 1: Twenty two forty six, the Freedom to Move Act that

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Speaker 1: So we'll be having that discussion in about ooh ten

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Speaker 1: let's go to Tony in Gloucester. Thanks for holding Tony.

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Speaker 2: And welcome Jeff.

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Speaker 3: You've been speaking my language here. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 3: fighting communism for years. I would urge everybody to read,

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Speaker 3: look up and read the twelve planks of communism. Now

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you how this is going to work.

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Speaker 3: With the vehicles. You may say you own your vehicle,

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Speaker 3: you go, when you pay cash your vehicle, they give

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Speaker 2: But who owns the title.

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Speaker 3: The state owns the title. What the state sends you

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Speaker 3: is what's legally called a color of title. Now you

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Speaker 3: can look this up in according to our constitution, the

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Speaker 3: only thing they can regulate is commerce or a Black

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Speaker 3: slaw dictionary, look up what a motor vehicle is. A

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Speaker 3: motor vehicle is defined as a vehicle engaged in commerce.

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Speaker 3: So you're not driving your car, You're driving a motor

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Speaker 4: What is an operator?

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Speaker 3: You get a ticket It says the operator.

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Speaker 4: Look it up. An operator is a.

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Speaker 3: Person engaged in commerce. So you're not you're not You're

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Speaker 3: You're an operator of a motor vehicle. Therefore you can

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Speaker 3: be regulated. And that's what they're going on. They can

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Speaker 3: how they did it. They did it years ago, and

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Speaker 3: that's why you have license plates and inspections and excise taxes.

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Speaker 3: these things. And look at these protesters in Minnesota. What

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Speaker 2: We need to be armed, we need to.

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Speaker 3: Be armed against ice. And it's the beginning and one

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Speaker 3: of these a's they're going to shoot an ice officer, and.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're heading to. I'd love to hear what

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Speaker 5: You're saying.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could disagree with you, I really do,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. Look, I think it's obvious all they

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Speaker 1: their secret police to enforce these draconian policies. You're right,

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Speaker 1: this is how they're getting the camel's nose into the tent.

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Speaker 1: It's voluntary. This is how they always start these things.

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Speaker 1: So they're not going to force you to drive less.

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Speaker 1: It's not coercion, no, no, no no. They're setting a framework, benchmarks,

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Speaker 1: like boiling a frog. It sets the precedent, and the

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Speaker 1: they own you. Now what I find incredible, Tony, is

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Speaker 1: one thousand percent, correct, Tony, thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: that call. As always, six one seven two six, six

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Speaker 1: ask all of you. Does the government have the right

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Speaker 1: in the name of fighting climate change and meeting their

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Speaker 1: mind your own business two six six, sixty eight, sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Paul Craney from Mass Fiscal Alliance. Paul,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the Kooner Report.

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Speaker 5: How are you, Good morning, Jeff, and thank you for

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Speaker 5: having me on. I really appreciate the opportunity to talk

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Speaker 1: So for the listeners now tuning in the Freedom to

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Speaker 1: the state legislature. As you put it. Governor Healy says,

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Speaker 1: she will sign it. Put it on her desk, she

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Speaker 5: It is so bad for the simple reason government wants

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Speaker 5: and that should just send a chilling message to everyone listening.

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Speaker 5: Why are they proposing this? This sounds absolutely bonkers, and

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Speaker 5: Governor's signed into a law a net zero by twenty

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Speaker 5: And what Senator Cynthia Kreme is proposing is just one

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Speaker 5: It's how do you deal with people driving? How do

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Speaker 5: this state centator is posing it, That's why this legislature

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Speaker 5: point now that she wants to restrict people's mobility. Instead,

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Speaker 5: that's where this is leading to, because it's again part

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Speaker 5: so the senator is completely backtracking. This has made national

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Speaker 5: We certainly have. We've shamed this state senator on her

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Speaker 1: Oh and just I mean, I can only add to

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Speaker 1: it's just this is collectivism. This is this is Marxism.

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Speaker 1: That's what this is.

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Speaker 5: It's the Marxist meeting the climate lobby together. Right, it's

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Speaker 1: It just to everybody listening, it is S twenty two

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Speaker 1: You know, I agree with you on this not one

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Speaker 5: We have to put the screws on people. This is

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Speaker 5: So it's all that, Paul.

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Speaker 1: You've only got about a minute left, Just very quick.

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Speaker 5: That's how they're going to do this. So they're going

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Speaker 5: to change behavior with the stick approach. That's what you know.

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Speaker 5: That's what this bill would essentially allow the state to

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Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible, Paul, we're up against it and dynamite job.

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Speaker 1: Go to Paul, what's the website again, is it mett,

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Speaker 1: just absolutely yeomen's work all right, DJ in Attleborough, thanks

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Jeff. So they're already halfway there to tracking us.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a highway contract I've worked on almost every

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's similar, DJ, It's similar to what somebody texted me, uh,

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Speaker 1: just don't drive anymore. DJ, am, I wrong, No.

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Speaker 4: You know, and it's a very scary thought because these

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Speaker 1: DJ. I'm going to do everything I can to a

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is look, this is communism. Enough is enough? Uh, DJ,

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Speaker 7: I just you just mentioned communism. This is this is

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Speaker 7: straight exactly what communism China does to their citizens, their

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Speaker 8: This is the first step in that direction, absolutely, Kate.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I know it's a left wing state.

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Speaker 8: I think your far lefties here in the state absolutely

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Speaker 1: Tell you that, well, if you can own your house,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's where mum Donnie is taking the you know,

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Speaker 6: Go Jeff, thank you very much, long time listener, first

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Speaker 1: Oh you're dead on. I mean Ryan, Look, everyone will

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