Speaker 1: Don't want.
Speaker 2: This is Scott Sloan show on seven hundred WLWED the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. He set a lawsuit for almost a
Speaker 2: million and a half dollars with the family of Condavier Hicks.
Speaker 2: Mister Hicks was shot and killed by police at his
Speaker 2: North Side apartment what sixteen years ago? Twenty fifteen, almost
Speaker 2: sixteen years ago, and in light of a number of
Speaker 2: settlements from only over eight million dollars for the Rodney
Speaker 2: King protesters to discussions over paying Ryan Hinton's family, the
Speaker 2: question is whether the payouts are better than fighting this
Speaker 2: in court. And before I get to the attorney represent
Speaker 2: the Hicks family, let me refresh the elements of Kwandaver Hicks,
Speaker 2: because I had to go back and look some stuff
Speaker 2: up because it's been so long ago, ten eleven years
Speaker 2: long time. So he's twenty two years old at the time.
Speaker 2: And there was a call for service at nine one
Speaker 2: one for aggravated menacing, which aggravated means the use of
Speaker 2: a weapon in this case of firearm, and so they
Speaker 2: had a duty to respond in this case, they make
Speaker 2: the run, they enter the apartment building or the apartment
Speaker 2: on Chase Avenue, Northside on this call because he had
Speaker 2: threatened to kill a couple accused that they accused of
Speaker 2: him sealing from their home. Officers entered the building through
Speaker 2: an unlocked side door, did not have a warrant the
Speaker 2: building is then the question is whether that's a multi
Speaker 2: unit dwelling or just a single family. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a second with the attorney. But when the
Speaker 2: officers reached and went inside and reached Hicks's door, he
Speaker 2: emerged holding a twenty two caliber rifle appointed it at
Speaker 2: one of the officers. Another officer, think of the three
Speaker 2: or four officer on the scene, grabbed the barrel and
Speaker 2: in this case officer Door Scott fired the deadly one shot,
Speaker 2: hitting him in the chest. He died at the scene.
Speaker 2: And because this was well twenty fifteen, it wasn't I
Speaker 2: believe a year later when CPD officers were issued body cameras,
Speaker 2: so we don't even have body camera footage. So on
Speaker 2: that with that rather long setup is Attorney Rob Lindaman,
Speaker 2: attorney for the Hicks family.
Speaker 3: Rob, welcome, good morning, how are you come on?
Speaker 4: Scott?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 3: And I hope I got the details of it right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, ten, ten eleven years a long
Speaker 2: time sometimes you know, you lose track of what the
Speaker 2: facts actually were.
Speaker 3: But I think generally that was a right.
Speaker 5: That is, that was all that was all generally act good.
Speaker 3: I want to reemphasize that. Yeah, so you had called.
Speaker 2: I was talking about this yesterday and talking about city
Speaker 2: settling rather than litigating. And I think that's valid for
Speaker 2: taxpayers going more hand at eight million dollars at a time,
Speaker 2: and what's the city law department exists?
Speaker 3: I think that's a reasonable argument.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you had called in the
Speaker 2: end of the segment yesterday, I like about nine to
Speaker 2: fifty and unfortunately out other stuff and news and all that,
Speaker 2: as you know, and I wanted to get you back
Speaker 2: on because I thought the conversation, and as brief as
Speaker 2: it was, was fascinating because you represent the family and
Speaker 2: above all else, Rob, I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 2: ask you yesterday.
Speaker 3: But is the family happy with the settlement?
Speaker 5: Let's put it this way. The family is satisfied with
Speaker 5: the settlement. This is a situation where there would there
Speaker 5: would be no situation in which the family would feel
Speaker 5: they were justly compensated for the loss of the sign,
Speaker 5: the loss of a brother. But the main thing. Or
Speaker 5: let's put it this way. A principal objective was to
Speaker 5: obtain a fayre, a thorough and an independent investigation, because
Speaker 5: I have to tell you that when I met Kwan
Speaker 5: Davier's mother, she really just wanted to know what happened.
Speaker 5: As you said, this is twenty fifteen. The Cincinnati Police
Speaker 5: Department quite simply had not been forthright with her. They
Speaker 5: promised her that they would be transparent and forthcoming, and
Speaker 5: they were not. The legal questions that opposed here are
Speaker 5: really questions that are fundamental under the US Constitution, which
Speaker 5: is a person safe from the government inside their own home.
Speaker 5: Does a person have a basic right to defend themselves
Speaker 5: inside their own.
Speaker 2: Let me interrupt, just say a rob because so far
Speaker 2: and this went to the Sixth District Court. Pellet courts
Speaker 2: and like courts consistently found the use of deadly force
Speaker 2: was justified.
Speaker 3: A pellic courts.
Speaker 2: Found legitimate questions about what you're talking about, whether the
Speaker 2: warrantless entry was constitutional.
Speaker 3: Get that in a second.
Speaker 2: But the Sixth Circuit Court said and saw evidence that
Speaker 2: officers should have known they were entering a private residence,
Speaker 2: not a commoner. And that's that's a hang up here.
Speaker 2: And so the city maintains the shooting itself was justified,
Speaker 2: and everyone agrees on the use of deadly force being appropriate.
Speaker 2: So help me understand if it was justified, why is
Speaker 2: the city paying one point four five million.
Speaker 5: Well, you you're onto a very very subtle issue of
Speaker 5: law here, and you and but you're broadly right, but
Speaker 5: let me have let me add some color to that.
Speaker 5: The first call. Yes, the case has been the case
Speaker 5: has been before. We've been litigating the case for about
Speaker 5: for almost ten years. Yeah, we'll get back to that
Speaker 5: about whether whether whether the city just rolled over easily
Speaker 5: settled on this. I'll take issues with that, okay. But
Speaker 5: so the the city asserted qualified in news and that
Speaker 5: the city asserted that these officers are immune. And the
Speaker 5: Sixth Circuit at the time held that in the in
Speaker 5: the light of where there is evidence that that a
Speaker 5: that that quandavior had a gun, that that posed reasonable
Speaker 5: circumstances for an officer to use force to protect themselves.
Speaker 5: But but there's a but there's a bigger but there's
Speaker 5: a broader question, which is what are all the circumstances here?
Speaker 5: And the Supreme Court since the time, actually since the
Speaker 5: time of those original rulings, it has has ruled and
Speaker 5: has held that in cases like this, what the what
Speaker 5: what the court needs to look at is the totality
Speaker 5: of the circumstances and in that use of force. And
Speaker 5: that can include that can include think conduct that the
Speaker 5: officer engages in leading up to the use of force,
Speaker 5: which which may make it reasonable or may not.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they and we talked about yesterday, Rob Lineman.
Speaker 2: The argument is this, so, as I understand from the narrative, here,
Speaker 2: they get this nine one one call, so they have
Speaker 2: a duty to act. It's a nine one as well
Speaker 2: asn't just you know, a sneak and peak a no
Speaker 2: knock warrant. It was a call for service. Uh so
Speaker 2: a legitimate client neighbors said, hey, this guy pointed a
Speaker 2: gun at his threatin US with a deadly weapon. They
Speaker 2: come in now. And so the entrances I understand it was.
Speaker 2: It's like a sight enth's kind of removed from the street.
Speaker 2: It lacked multiple name plates and apartment numbers. I mean
Speaker 2: it's at night time too, I believe. Also, let's add
Speaker 2: that in there the door had a couple of locks
Speaker 2: of privacy curtains and security bars. It looked like a
Speaker 2: private residence, but at the same time it felt like
Speaker 2: it was a The officer thought it was a common era.
Speaker 2: If I saw the video last night and Hammrick did
Speaker 2: a great story out on five and you can kind
Speaker 2: of see there's a stairwell. He had an upstairs atic
Speaker 2: apartment and comes down the stairs. And so at the
Speaker 2: time they read it as a common area, which would
Speaker 2: allow them a little bit of leeway as far as
Speaker 2: entering entering the structure, not inside a house, but a
Speaker 2: common area.
Speaker 3: And that's really the crux and the debate of the case.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's that's again very you've you've you've done your
Speaker 5: homework today, that's those are all those are all accurate. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the issue really was is this, if this were an
Speaker 5: apartment building, let's say, let's let's let's let's split it
Speaker 5: up that way. If this were an apartment building and
Speaker 5: it was something in the nature of a lobby, that
Speaker 5: was that where where traffic ordinarily was held, that would
Speaker 5: be where people would would be commonly expected to go,
Speaker 5: and it was and if it was open to the public,
Speaker 5: then a police officer could could have the right to
Speaker 5: or could could lawfully enter there. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 5: This the circumstances here though, if you you know, if
Speaker 5: you look at the place, if you look at the residents,
Speaker 5: that is the subject. It just it looked like a
Speaker 5: house from the front rightly. And so they went to
Speaker 5: the door. They went to the side door, and they
Speaker 5: knocked on the They knocked on the door, knocked one,
Speaker 5: no answer at the time of the second knock. When
Speaker 5: when when she knocked the second time, the door came
Speaker 5: just slightly ajar And that is a although there was
Speaker 5: a lock on that door, one of the condavior's girlfriend
Speaker 5: had actually just left the house. She was spending the
Speaker 5: night there, but she left to go get something she
Speaker 5: was she was gone. She had left open a door
Speaker 5: that is normally locked because she was coming specifically because
Speaker 5: she was coming right back. She was just running down
Speaker 5: to her house. She was down the road.
Speaker 4: But but but yeah, so then so the question the
Speaker 4: property that they ended up entering is you know, it's
Speaker 4: effectively a house. When you walk into this place, you
Speaker 4: go up upstairs, and if you if you at the
Speaker 4: top of the stairs, if you look to your right,
Speaker 4: there's a kitchen and a bathroom. And if you look
Speaker 4: to your left.
Speaker 5: There's a doorway that there's a there's a bedroom behind
Speaker 5: one door, and there's a staircase that the doorway has
Speaker 5: a staircase that that you'd go up to, and that's
Speaker 5: where his bedroom is. But in the whole place, there's
Speaker 5: only one bedroom. Excuse me, there's only one bathroom. There's
Speaker 5: only one kitchen in the space they were standing in,
Speaker 5: you know when when when they knocked on the door,
Speaker 5: the place where Kwan Davior came walking down is where
Speaker 5: he would have had to walk past them to get
Speaker 5: to the bathroom. Let's put it out. So this is
Speaker 5: what the courts of appeals ended up saying in each
Speaker 5: each time that under these circumstances where where you're standing outside,
Speaker 5: where where there's only one basketball, there's only one kitchen,
Speaker 5: there's no lock in between these doors once you're inside
Speaker 5: that there was no door. There was no you know,
Speaker 5: for example, the door that that they that they would
Speaker 5: walk up to go to Fondiaver's room, it just didn't
Speaker 5: have a lock on. It was just like the inside
Speaker 5: hallway of your better But so it was a space
Speaker 5: that was clearly that was clearly living space. Now and
Speaker 5: I should say all these all the facts, all the
Speaker 5: opinions that we never had a trial in.
Speaker 6: This case, all.
Speaker 5: The fact that the that the court was, that the
Speaker 5: court was relying on the court of the both courts
Speaker 5: relied on were ones that were based on documentary, just
Speaker 5: pictures of the pictures of the play AffA Davis, from
Speaker 5: people who had been there, who knew that, who knew
Speaker 5: the space.
Speaker 2: Okay, Rob, let me deject because I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I feel even more strongly that the city should have settled.
Speaker 2: Let's I know you' vehemently disagree. But so the expectation
Speaker 2: is you get a nine to one one call. They're
Speaker 2: making a service run. There's a threat of an individual,
Speaker 2: and that's not obviously that's not being challenged, the fact
Speaker 2: that Kwondevra Ticks had a gun, had a long gun.
Speaker 3: They knock on the door, the door opens.
Speaker 2: It's not like the officers had time to go, wow,
Speaker 2: is this a private residence as an apartment?
Speaker 3: And I don't know the nine one call.
Speaker 2: Maybe the neighbors said, yeah, this guy lives in an
Speaker 2: upstairs apartment next door. Okay, great, they knock on the door,
Speaker 2: the door opens, there's someone allegedly with a gun, So
Speaker 2: there's a duty there to prevent future homicides or shootings
Speaker 2: from happening. They didn't have time to you know, call
Speaker 2: a realtor or check, you know, go to the auditor's
Speaker 2: website to find out what the what the situation was.
Speaker 2: They just assumed wrongly that it was a multi unit
Speaker 2: building and went up the stairs. Isn't that in the
Speaker 2: in the light of what happened here, what actually occurred,
Speaker 2: isn't that? Is that in an indefensible position though, I mean,
Speaker 2: how are the cops to know, you know, what, what
Speaker 2: the whether it was a multi unit or single unit building.
Speaker 2: That's that's a tough call for cop to make in
Speaker 2: the blank of an eye.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Scott, this is something that police officers need
Speaker 5: to be trained on and needs to be able to
Speaker 5: make the right decision. And when it comes down to it,
Speaker 5: when if you're I'll just have to remind your audience
Speaker 5: it was eleven thirty at night. Where you go walking
Speaker 5: into someone's house at eleven thirty at night, and the
Speaker 5: circumstances here are that you're right. There's a nine to
Speaker 5: one call in which the somebody has complained about Kwandavier
Speaker 5: identified them as a suspect. Those facts, the fact they alleged,
Speaker 5: ultimately fall apart when when invested with. So they're relying
Speaker 5: on a third hand witness, and you're suggesting that they
Speaker 5: should they should just win if in doubt, they walk
Speaker 5: into someone's house. This house was dark, it was eleven
Speaker 5: thirty at night, and they did not announce themselves as
Speaker 5: police officers. So a person in that position, and the
Speaker 5: US Supreme Court has ruled on it that the police officers.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason that the Fourth Amendment protects against
Speaker 5: unwarranted envisions of the home is to protect police officers
Speaker 5: because it is foreseeable the police officers that invade in
Speaker 5: the dark of night will be faced with armed resistance,
Speaker 5: will be faced with people who think they have to
Speaker 5: defend their homes. And in that circumstance, we can't just
Speaker 5: have police officers creating that situation. And then, but isn't it.
Speaker 2: Reasonable though, for the officers to think, Okay, this is
Speaker 2: a multi unit building. I'm walking and basically I'm walking
Speaker 2: into a lobby. Do you have to announce yourself if
Speaker 2: you walk into the lobby of the building.
Speaker 5: If you were, it might really be different if this
Speaker 5: were a lobby of the building, it might be different.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's very poort honestly has found cases where
Speaker 5: there were common spaces where it wasn't justified for them
Speaker 5: to enter there. So it's a very it's an entry,
Speaker 5: it's a case. It's a determination that is made very
Speaker 5: much on our case by case basis. But the real
Speaker 5: principle that that stake here is that the officer, in
Speaker 5: order to keep themselves safe, in order to keep the
Speaker 5: people safe, to just exercise uh that when in doubt,
Speaker 5: you don't walk into somebody's house. I mean, and this
Speaker 5: is just a situation that has repeated itself and repeated
Speaker 5: itself over the course of history. When when you it
Speaker 5: is is it is to be expected that people who
Speaker 5: don't who don't know what they're dealing to, think there's
Speaker 5: an intruder in their home, are going to respond forcefully.
Speaker 5: And so that's why, Look, we get back to a
Speaker 5: big one of the huge aditions in the case was
Speaker 5: just how how an officer is trained and how they
Speaker 5: respond to the circumstances and what's the right determination because
Speaker 5: this wasn't Look, you're right, there was a nine to
Speaker 5: one one fault, but they didn't even that's that person.
Speaker 5: The person couldn't tell them where he lived. They didn't
Speaker 5: know there, so they were they were, they were largely
Speaker 5: flying on incomplete information. But based on that they made
Speaker 5: that they made just a couple of mistakes which compounded
Speaker 5: themselves and created a deadly situation, when if they had
Speaker 5: simply waited at the door outside, eventually the situation would
Speaker 5: have resolved him.
Speaker 2: Well, But again that's that's hindsight though, right, that the
Speaker 2: girlfriend would have came back, or maybe Hicks would have
Speaker 2: came down. But if you got a call, is it
Speaker 2: does it change though? Simply because the edded twist is
Speaker 2: the fact that you had an aggravated medicine call, meaning
Speaker 2: that that individual who had threatened, allegedly threatened the neighbors
Speaker 2: had a gun. And so if an officer knows that
Speaker 2: it goes into a situation, does that change the fact
Speaker 2: that they entered what they thought was a common area, going, hey,
Speaker 2: we got a guy with a gun. We don't know
Speaker 2: what his intense are. He could wind up, you know,
Speaker 2: shooting people in this building, shooting from the window. We
Speaker 2: don't know at this point, and you know, we'd be
Speaker 2: if they had simply walked away and said, well, we
Speaker 2: can't go in there. Who know, you know, for since
Speaker 2: we're playing the hindsight in they this person could have
Speaker 2: went and shot some other people or innocent folks or
Speaker 2: something along those lines. It seems reasonable. It seems like
Speaker 2: the entirely thing, the approach of the office seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: I think if I were on a jury, I'd say
Speaker 2: it seems reasonable that they would walk in there because they.
Speaker 3: Had a call with the guy with a gun.
Speaker 5: Well, but that I would turn that fact and look
Speaker 5: at it from exactly the other side. If the officers
Speaker 5: knew that there's that that this person might legitimately be
Speaker 5: might be armed, right, then that's that's the reason to
Speaker 5: be all the more cautious and in particular to respond
Speaker 5: because if if this, if the suspects believe that there's
Speaker 5: somebody who might be coming after right, the complaint from
Speaker 5: the nine one one callar was we had an argument,
Speaker 5: we had a dispute with this person, right and that
Speaker 5: and and he's threatened us. So we know that this
Speaker 5: person is on edge. We know that the person we're
Speaker 5: looking for is it might be expecting trouble, and so
Speaker 5: at that point, why not announce we are police? Officers.
Speaker 5: Why not let him know who he's dealing with, so
Speaker 5: that behind that door, when when when he opened that
Speaker 5: door to the interior of his home, he knows that
Speaker 5: it is a police officer and not not a person
Speaker 5: who might seek to do him harm. So you're there
Speaker 5: are a couple layers of this, and one is did
Speaker 5: they did they enter the house correctly? But and then
Speaker 5: the second is why didn't they just let him know?
Speaker 5: Why didn't they announce that that they are police officers
Speaker 5: and not intruders? Not the very person who called nine
Speaker 5: to one one? Who who who by the way, had
Speaker 5: just you know this, this the nine one one caller,
Speaker 5: We should know who? Again his allegations, he specifically told
Speaker 5: him he didn't. I'll correct you one one, okay, you
Speaker 5: can tell him that they had a guy that that
Speaker 5: condavior had a gun in the situation that he threatened
Speaker 5: them with a gun, but they knew he had guns
Speaker 5: in the house, gotcha. So if you're a police officer
Speaker 5: and you know you're walking up to somebody who's keyed up,
Speaker 5: that's why that was our whole point in the circumstance.
Speaker 5: Would have would have counseled for them to let him
Speaker 5: know who they were, and that would have look if
Speaker 5: he'd come down to the bottom, just to the exterior
Speaker 5: of the door. There's a window at that door. He
Speaker 5: opens the curtain, he looked outside, he sees police officers.
Speaker 5: If he had his gun in his hand at that time,
Speaker 5: he's coming to his actual door, which he knows has
Speaker 5: a lock on it. He sets the gun aside, he said,
Speaker 5: he comes out, he talks to the police officers, or
Speaker 5: maybe he doesn't do anything at all.
Speaker 2: Well maybe also maybe I don't know, maybe he decides
Speaker 2: he wants to shoot the police officer too. We don't Again,
Speaker 2: we can play that, can we just we don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's a settled issue, largely because the officer had
Speaker 2: retired at that point and this thing had been dragged
Speaker 2: out long enough. But I'm way over time. But I
Speaker 2: appreciate your so much. Rob Lindham, an attorney for the
Speaker 2: We could I probably talk about this for hours, right,
Speaker 2: but it's closed, and I mean there's closed at the
Speaker 2: end of the day. Whether you agreed disagree, there's closure
Speaker 2: for the family.
Speaker 3: We move on.
Speaker 2: Rob Lindham, an attorney at law, Thanks so much for
Speaker 2: coming back on the show. I really appreciate it and
Speaker 2: very interesting discussion.
Speaker 5: Scott, thank you for the invitation. I appreciate all the best.
Speaker 2: Be well, I'm a get a time out. And so
Speaker 2: what do you think on the cop side or on
Speaker 2: the Hicks family side? You heard the narrative of what
Speaker 2: went on. I'm even more strongly on the cop side
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Speaker 2: huh if you're driving on that stuff, I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I just haad on if you missed it too, and
Speaker 2: can catch it with the podcast after the show and
Speaker 2: download it at your leisure. I just had to Ken
Speaker 2: Lindaman Ken as the attorney for the kwandavior Hicks family.
Speaker 2: As you know, I was talking about this yesterday, and
Speaker 2: if you're listening yesterday, thank you. Secondly, at the very
Speaker 2: end of the segment, as I was talking about us
Speaker 2: and being the city of Cincinnati, if you're a taxpayer
Speaker 2: paying off settling cases, and you know, it's We've had
Speaker 2: a steady diet of this stuff and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: enough crumbs you make a loaf, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you start adding these things up. And it's a
Speaker 2: lot of money. We doled out eight over eight million
Speaker 2: dollars for the protesters during the George Floyd affair where
Speaker 2: individuals are coming to Cincinnati or from Cincinnati and uh,
Speaker 2: we're protesting, and you know, essentially there's a curfew you
Speaker 2: put in place eventually, and they broke curfew and if
Speaker 2: you break the law, you get arrested. That is that
Speaker 2: should be a given right. It's like, okay, well we listen.
Speaker 2: You can protest, but you can do what you want.
Speaker 2: You can do everything you want. You simply just can't
Speaker 2: run the show. And I think this is more true
Speaker 2: today than ever as we look at what's happening in Minnesota. Now,
Speaker 2: whatever you think about what's happening with ice agents and
Speaker 2: the like, you know, I have a problem shre with
Speaker 2: with masked agents and you know what essentially looks like
Speaker 2: the military kicking indoors and alike. And you know they
Speaker 2: did one the other day where there it wasn't even
Speaker 2: a warrant, it was signed by some sort of administrator.
Speaker 3: You can't do that. That's not constitutional. We have rules.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I totally would expect people to
Speaker 2: be up in arms and protesting, especially in a left leaning,
Speaker 2: a liberal progressive state like Minnesota, You're going to have
Speaker 2: that happen. And you know, if you are so offended,
Speaker 2: you should take to the streets and you should pro test.
Speaker 2: But just knowing the fact that, well, like this most
Speaker 2: recent shooting we had, if you attack a law enforcement
Speaker 2: officer with a shovel, you're gonna get shot.
Speaker 3: You probably should get shot. That crawls and say, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm protesting.
Speaker 2: But when you start doing that, when you you know,
Speaker 2: again we don't know the entire story about what happened
Speaker 2: that trigger this whole thing, But if you're in there
Speaker 2: interfering with whether you think it's legitimate or not law
Speaker 2: enforcement acting the way they are, it's going to be
Speaker 2: a long day for you. Just that that you simply
Speaker 2: can you know, go in assault police officers or tempt
Speaker 2: to sell police officers and get away with it, because
Speaker 2: if it's not that's not protected by the First Amendment,
Speaker 2: that is not you don't have a legal right to
Speaker 2: attack a police officer. You just simply don't nor block
Speaker 2: traffic or whatever it is. And at some point the
Speaker 2: facts that this will come out. And it's pretty hairy
Speaker 2: right now. I understand that. But is it any different
Speaker 2: that we're talking about in these situations here locally in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: If you're out there protesting and you get locked up
Speaker 2: and it's a hot summer day, and you go, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I forgot to bring my medication with me.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I don't have any bottle of water.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I got to There's eight hundred of
Speaker 2: us and we're held in a sally part waiting to
Speaker 2: be processed.
Speaker 3: No system is set up to do that.
Speaker 2: And I know lawyers would argue that, but that's the
Speaker 2: nature of lawyers is to try and argue and get money,
Speaker 2: and they do and that's how our system works. Fine,
Speaker 2: I'm good with that, but you know, careful what you
Speaker 2: wish for. You might just get it, okay, if you
Speaker 2: really are that, if you're trying to be I guess
Speaker 2: maybe Martin Luther King Junior incarnate with MLK Day coming up.
Speaker 2: I mean, he suffered tremendously for what he believed in
Speaker 2: but did it peacefully and marched, and you know, we
Speaker 2: saw he changed history for sure. But I just I
Speaker 2: wonder if he's kind of giving you some side eye
Speaker 2: right now, going, oh my god, you didn't have a
Speaker 2: bottle of water. And so now we're going to file
Speaker 2: a lawsuit against the city of Cincinnata. In the case
Speaker 2: of Minnesota's like, Okay, we think it's unjust, and we're
Speaker 2: going to march in protest. But when you start attacking
Speaker 2: police officers, no good is going to come out of that.
Speaker 2: And then it just gets toy out crowd more while
Speaker 2: it's like you're entitled to be able to do whatever
Speaker 2: the hell you want when there's a cop there, and
Speaker 2: that's not how it should work. But I mentioned the
Speaker 2: eight million dollar settlement. I mentioned what's going on with
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton and the allegations by Ken Kober the FOP
Speaker 2: that the city's going to wind up giving this family
Speaker 2: some money even though the officers were completely justified in
Speaker 2: shooting Ryan Hinton. Now in this case, we're talking about
Speaker 2: the late this one, so I'm not kind of lumped
Speaker 2: them together. Yesterday Kwandavia Hicks shot and killed by police
Speaker 2: in this North Side apartment in twenty fifteen, long time ago,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to go back.
Speaker 3: But in the case that Rob.
Speaker 2: Lindeman and I enjoyed having him on the show this morning,
Speaker 2: was outlining is I'm even more set in my ways
Speaker 2: about going It seemed like it was. The entry was
Speaker 2: just No one is disputing the fact that officers were
Speaker 2: justified in shooting and killing Kwandevera Hicks shooting him was
Speaker 2: justified every court so upheld that. But the argument he
Speaker 2: had was that, Okay, it's kind of like a side
Speaker 2: door apartment and the door was open and they walked
Speaker 2: in because they had a complaint. The CONDEVI Hicks threatened
Speaker 2: the lives of neighbors with a gun. And so when
Speaker 2: I hear that, I go, that's a clear and present danger.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the wrong term to use here legally, but
Speaker 2: I'm not an attorney, and I hear that and go,
Speaker 2: is it reasonable if you're in the shoes of the cop. Okay,
Speaker 2: I get a call there's a guy with a gun.
Speaker 2: All right, where's he live? We're kind of sure it's
Speaker 2: this house over here. Okay, we think this is the house.
Speaker 2: It's dark, it's eleven thirty at night. He god to
Speaker 2: go to the side entrance and the door. They knock
Speaker 2: on the door and the door swings open. It was unlocked. Okay,
Speaker 2: we think that the suspect is in here based on
Speaker 2: the information that we have, and it looks like okay,
Speaker 2: there's some stairs and there's a door upstairs, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it looks like an apartment. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: you're expecting with hindsight being what it is, that officers
Speaker 2: at eleven thirty at night where they radio run a
Speaker 2: dispatch call for them for a call for service, that
Speaker 2: there's an individual possibly with a gun. We know he
Speaker 2: has access to firearms, so we're guarded, we're cautions. So
Speaker 2: here a threat neighbors. Are we going to stop a
Speaker 2: possible homicide or let's play said a mass shooting could
Speaker 2: be we don't know. All right, doors open, we walk in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we didn't announce ourselves because there may be somebody with
Speaker 2: a gun and maybe we wants to take a look here.
Speaker 2: And we also think that it's a common area. Like
Speaker 2: for example, if you go ino a place I don't
Speaker 2: know and entrance of any building and it's a common area,
Speaker 2: you know, typically you're not gonna identify yourself because you
Speaker 2: think it's a common area. I think it's just the
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is that you know, we can
Speaker 2: go back in time and look at it, and the
Speaker 2: cops are like, well, you should have known it. Well,
Speaker 2: how would you know that? Have you had multiple calls
Speaker 2: as residents? Do you need to go look on the
Speaker 2: auditor's site to see just here? Do you need to
Speaker 2: call a realtor the landlord to be No, because there's
Speaker 2: someone with a gun in there? Just doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: me to be it seems reasonable for the officers did
Speaker 2: what they did.
Speaker 3: I guess if fire and.
Speaker 2: A jury, and obviously this didn't come to a jury,
Speaker 2: but if fireing a jury, I would look at it
Speaker 2: that way, going yeah, And I would think most jurors
Speaker 2: would probably go yeah. And you know, blanket and I
Speaker 2: considering the circumstances, dead and night, guy with a gun.
Speaker 2: The door was opened, We walked in unannounced, and then
Speaker 2: we look upstairs and he points the gun down at us. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe and I could see condever Hicks side of it.
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't think the police are coming.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 2: I would say, if you threaten some with a gun
Speaker 2: and somebody is knocking at your door. Do you think
Speaker 2: it's someone there to shoot you? It's the neighbor's shooting you. Possibly,
Speaker 2: But of course when you open the door and it's
Speaker 2: cops at that moment, maybe you go my, you know,
Speaker 2: because there was a struggle for the gun. Even the
Speaker 2: mom said, well, why didn't they just drag him out
Speaker 2: of the head they grabbed the gun. They well, why
Speaker 2: didn't they drag him out? Well, because it's a gun,
Speaker 2: and that escalas thing too while we're going to defend
Speaker 2: ourselves with our with our weapons. But I guess the
Speaker 2: question would be, why wouldn't Quandevera Hicks just simply have
Speaker 2: surrendered at that point. It's not like he, you know,
Speaker 2: pointed the gun through the door, around the door and
Speaker 2: blindly shot because he thought there's intruders. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like what happened in with Brandon Taylor in Louisville, right
Speaker 2: the officers shot into a dark building. She and she thought, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a home invasion. I didn't know their police officer,
Speaker 2: police detectives that that's legitimate in this case, Like you
Speaker 2: saw that their uniform three police three or four uniformed
Speaker 2: police officers said, why wouldn't you stop doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And so you know, based on that, I look at it,
Speaker 2: go wow. I think after that conversation, I'm even more
Speaker 2: inclined to think the cops are right here and then
Speaker 2: question why we settled this whole thing. And that's the
Speaker 2: crux of this is I put out yesterday they have
Speaker 2: like an eight nine million dollar budget of the law
Speaker 2: Department of Cincinnati does And you know, if you have
Speaker 2: lawyers on staff, you're already paying for this kind of
Speaker 2: like a lawyer and retainer. I'm already the meeters already run,
Speaker 2: I'm already paying I might as well. I might as
Speaker 2: well use you I got on. Do you see it
Speaker 2: the cops way or do you see it on the
Speaker 2: Hicks family side of thing? Five one, three, seven, four,
Speaker 2: nine seven eight, hund the big one. It's talked back
Speaker 2: on the iHeart radio app but it and to me,
Speaker 2: it's just like, okay, well it's gone on for ten
Speaker 2: years and maybe you know, this is a bad example
Speaker 2: for me to throw in there as far as what's
Speaker 2: happening with Ryan Hinton and maybe paying that family off
Speaker 2: or and we should totally fight that one. The eight
Speaker 2: million dollars for the Cincinnati protesters. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the hell we're thinking there, and this one kind of
Speaker 2: got lumped in, and maybe there's a little different nuance
Speaker 2: with this one, but I don't know. I tend to
Speaker 2: look at it going yeah, I could see in the
Speaker 2: blink of an eye, CoP's getting it right, and the
Speaker 2: use of force was justified. On top of this, this
Speaker 2: seems even less of a standard for them, And I
Speaker 2: think it's a legitimate question in Cincinnati where you ask,
Speaker 2: all right, if we keep doing this and just paying
Speaker 2: people off, even though it was ten years, are we
Speaker 2: just encouraging moreless behavior. And I'm probably the answer would
Speaker 2: be yes, I understand this. This went on a long
Speaker 2: long time, ten years. And even the cop in this case,
Speaker 2: the female cop that shot, she's since retired. And so
Speaker 2: now you're playing this game where you know, witnesses don't
Speaker 2: remember stuff, the cops are tired it. You know how
Speaker 2: long we're going to drag this thing out? Maybe just
Speaker 2: said okay, in this case, we write a check for
Speaker 2: a million and a half and you know, we call
Speaker 2: it a day. No assumption of guilt whatsoever, but we
Speaker 2: just settled and that's it. I don't know, maybe maybe anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll maybe get some calls in this one and your
Speaker 2: thoughts and if you heard this yesterday, because he called
Speaker 2: late yesterday. I wanted to give him a little bit
Speaker 2: more time to discuss that because I think it's just
Speaker 2: such a damn interesting case and how this whole thing
Speaker 2: played out, because it wasn't about whether the use of
Speaker 2: force was justified, because it was it was whether or
Speaker 2: not the cops should have walked into that building. And
Speaker 2: you have a right in your own home to protect
Speaker 2: yourself from intruders, and if cop, you have to have
Speaker 2: a warrant for search. But I don't know this one
Speaker 2: is different because you had a legitimate threat that was
Speaker 2: happening at that particular moment, and police have a dudey
Speaker 2: to respond to a search warrant if there's a probable call,
Speaker 2: right the probable cause of him having a gun and
Speaker 2: threatening people, and we've got to make sure that he
Speaker 2: doesn't do that to me. That kind of out weighs
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. But a million and a
Speaker 2: half dollars or are a budget not that much money?
Speaker 2: I will say, we just keep doing this and doing
Speaker 2: and those are peers that we keep settling and settling
Speaker 2: and what we're just gonna give everybody money now that
Speaker 2: has an issue with us.
Speaker 3: I don't understand anyway.
Speaker 2: We'll get more of that quick time out and more
Speaker 2: to follow here Scott's Loland back and forth seven hundred ww.
Speaker 2: You know who should never drove a car again? Cam
Speaker 2: Taylor Britt. I remember was it on the sixth? I
Speaker 2: think whatever it was that he was out driving around
Speaker 2: and you know, flying up and down the streets and
Speaker 2: stuff like outside of twice or And now he is
Speaker 2: back in the news because video just came out back
Speaker 2: in November on Scott Street and Covington about three o'clock,
Speaker 2: three thirty in the morning on November twelfth, Cam Taylor
Speaker 2: Britt was a passenger in a car that accelerated a
Speaker 2: high rate of speed and flipped over on Scott Street
Speaker 2: and we're undo a parked Chevy and flipped over and
Speaker 2: everything was okay. Now the very next day of the
Speaker 2: next game, there's a game the next day. He was
Speaker 2: the end of the season enng injury. One would have
Speaker 2: to think, is there a relationship between that accident, the
Speaker 2: rollover action he was in the night before, and the
Speaker 2: injury that happened on game day. If that's the case,
Speaker 2: some of the Bengals looking to avoid in that contract.
Speaker 2: But this is a dude who pled guilty on the
Speaker 2: sixth of January to driving with restricted license reckless driving,
Speaker 2: and this one was a passenger and someone driving recklessly.
Speaker 2: See a pattern here, I certainly do.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: There's some people it's just like you should not be
Speaker 2: driving anymore.
Speaker 3: We're good, We're good.
Speaker 2: Let me get to Columbus and Sherry on the Scotsland
Speaker 2: Show on seven hundred w W how's everything on the
Speaker 2: sea bus?
Speaker 1: Well, we're getting poorer and poorer here. They're forcing us
Speaker 1: to do a lot of stuff as tax payers, and
Speaker 1: my property taxes never go down because they're funding a
Speaker 1: very I would call Marxist agenda agenda. And our mayor
Speaker 1: is of Shaker and they're the Shakers are socialists.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was very socialists.
Speaker 2: But anyway, well, at the same time, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: also what the voters want to intend to be a
Speaker 2: little bit more progressive in Columbus.
Speaker 3: In Cincinnati, I.
Speaker 5: Had not I mean, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: There was no one here that every single person believed
Speaker 1: in this. I mean, it's terrible.
Speaker 2: What do you think about what do you think about
Speaker 2: paying off the paying off in this case I was
Speaker 2: talking about quit the case I was talking about here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, Quandavior Hicks, but the other ones, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you guys have a pattern too. It's just like
Speaker 2: we just keep paying people off, and you know there
Speaker 2: are times you're gonna have to settle and then it's
Speaker 2: it's right in just maybe this case it is because
Speaker 2: it's gone on for ten years. But the pattern is like, well,
Speaker 2: it's not our money, We'll just continue to give it out.
Speaker 1: Yes, was that a nine to one one call?
Speaker 5: I didn't Yeah, somebody had.
Speaker 3: Called a neighbor.
Speaker 2: He had threatened, So I guess neighbors. And the neighbors
Speaker 2: had something stolen and they either suspected or saw Hicks
Speaker 2: do it, and they said, hey, you know what we
Speaker 2: saw you still in it. So he threatened them with
Speaker 2: a gun and then then they called nine one one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a nine one one call, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: with a deadly weapon, they have time to get a
Speaker 1: search warrant. This case cannot this can't this can't be.
Speaker 1: This cannot stand. If they're gonna if they're gonna win, right,
Speaker 1: because you don't have time to get a search warrant.
Speaker 1: You've got to respond to an emergency. So I just
Speaker 1: I don't think that they should be paid now, Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you listening up in the Columbus being well sherey,
Speaker 2: thanks for checking in this morning.
Speaker 3: Five one three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Uh we it's not like you know, cops don't make mistakes.
Speaker 2: I admit that we've seen plenty of that happen in
Speaker 2: the past, right, and we will be waiting for the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future about what's happening with icy just in this country,
Speaker 2: particularly in Minnesota, whether that's just what we want that
Speaker 2: we'll decide that there's voters, right, I mean, how far,
Speaker 2: what how far do we want government agents to go,
Speaker 2: especially federal government agents. It's a legitimate question now, attacking
Speaker 2: police officers with shovels and cars, you're gonna you know again,
Speaker 2: you keep doing stuff like that and thinking that's somehow
Speaker 2: justified to physically attack law enforcement officers. You're gonna see
Speaker 2: more people shot. You can't do that. That's not how
Speaker 2: it works, not how it works at all. But I'm
Speaker 2: sure I know on Minnesota. I wonder if the fedsil
Speaker 2: went up settling some of these cases that I guess
Speaker 2: I probably are going to get litigated sivil. I'm sure
Speaker 2: the case of the woman who was killed, a woman
Speaker 2: who shot that started this whole thing's gonna for sure,
Speaker 2: Van Delia, Steve, you're on the Scott'sland shoke.
Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning Scott. How you doing. I'm doing well,
Speaker 3: trying to stay warm. How about you.
Speaker 9: Trying to stay warm myself?
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 9: In regards to the protests or to the payments that
Speaker 9: the city has made out, particularly the protesters, since this
Speaker 9: was public money, I mean in the Hicks in the
Speaker 9: hitting cases, we know where the money is going. Has
Speaker 9: there ever been a list published as to where these
Speaker 9: protesters where those checks are being sent to, because I
Speaker 9: think it'd be very interesting to find out whether these
Speaker 9: are people with Ohio address or whether these are people
Speaker 9: with California, or Illinois or Massachusetts address.
Speaker 2: I saw the list, and there are a number of
Speaker 2: them from out of state, and spend such a long
Speaker 2: time and I didn't have time to look it up.
Speaker 3: I apologize.
Speaker 2: I know there were Cincinnatians on there, but a remarkable
Speaker 2: number of people who are from not the Cincinnati right now.
Speaker 2: You could have people from the suburbs and elsewhere, and
Speaker 2: you certainly have every right to go somewhere and protest
Speaker 2: if you so wish. But I think I can read
Speaker 2: between logic questioners. Are these people just showing up to
Speaker 2: every protest? And if so, is this how they make
Speaker 2: their money? Are they getting funded from somewhere else? And
Speaker 2: there's a distinct possibility that that may be occurring. But
Speaker 2: you know, I think that gets overblown. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of this is just people who are looking for
Speaker 2: something to be angry. I didn't I've never been out
Speaker 2: set where I would travel to another city to protest something.
Speaker 3: I've not gotten to that point yet. How about you, Well, no,
Speaker 3: I would not do that either.
Speaker 9: But I also think another interesting point in I think
Speaker 9: we've established the fact that there are professional protesters and
Speaker 9: they are being paid. I think it would be very
Speaker 9: interesting to find out if they're having taxes deduct from
Speaker 9: them payments, because I'm sure they exceed the six hundred
Speaker 9: dollars limit, and it would be interesting as to who
Speaker 9: is ever paying them, whether they're paying the proper taxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if we'll ever get that answer, honestly,
Speaker 2: simply because I mean, that's just gonna take a lot
Speaker 2: of work to find out. I don't know sure it is.
Speaker 2: It might be like, you know, the issue, well, voter
Speaker 2: fraud out there. Then they wind up after the election
Speaker 2: auction stolen voter fraud and you know your own FBI,
Speaker 2: and they investigate and find out, Okay, there's a handful,
Speaker 2: now there's two or three of four. It's not going
Speaker 2: to swing an election. So I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hyperbole in that whole thing as well too, But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: it is what it is, as they say, And I
Speaker 2: think we've got to hold, especially for Cincinnatian and your
Speaker 2: tax payers, like can you be more responsible and not
Speaker 2: pay all this money out just to settle things. It
Speaker 2: would be interesting to see if they actually litigated something
Speaker 2: for once and see how that plays out.
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 2: Got a news update in momentarily here it's a Scott
Speaker 2: Sloan show on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Since nat.
Speaker 2: What's up Scott's Sloan back on seven hundred WLW. So
Speaker 2: when the country is in strife and turmoil, you try
Speaker 2: different things. Although I don't know if socialism is really
Speaker 2: all that different a thing, but you know, generations who
Speaker 2: didn't see the Cold War stuff like that, see what
Speaker 2: that kind of oppression does, want to try it. And
Speaker 2: so we have ushered in the age of Zora and
Speaker 2: Mundami of New York City, the improbable mayor of the
Speaker 2: largest city in the United States, and the thirty four
Speaker 2: year old self proclaimed democratic socialists signing executive orders left
Speaker 2: and he's been in office a few days. Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: some stuff universal child care for two year olds, but
Speaker 2: also he got rid of a whole bunch of fees
Speaker 2: and procedures for small business. Which is interesting on this
Speaker 2: is that Ken jarardin from a Manhattan institute. Welcome back, Ken,
Speaker 2: how are you forty?
Speaker 6: Good view with you?
Speaker 2: He just moved into Gracie Mansions. He's had to manation
Speaker 2: New York City a few days ago. As I mentioned
Speaker 2: a couple of things, the team contradictory at times from
Speaker 2: an avowed socialist.
Speaker 3: But what are we expecting? And not only that, are
Speaker 3: we just.
Speaker 2: Going to see this big socialist wave across the country
Speaker 2: from coast to coast.
Speaker 10: I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say
Speaker 10: he's kind of a lagging indicator, that is him winning
Speaker 10: the primary. That was a kind of a wake up
Speaker 10: call to folks to say, let's zoom out and look
Speaker 10: and just see where socialist proposals have already taken route
Speaker 10: something in them. Donnie had spent five years in the
Speaker 10: state of Emily, in Albany, and so that was my
Speaker 10: first stop. And I looked there and I reviewed. There
Speaker 10: are a number of socialist proposals, some of which have
Speaker 10: pretty widespread political support, but some other big ones also predate.
Speaker 6: Him as an assemblement.
Speaker 10: And I thought this was a good opportunity to take
Speaker 10: a look at the full, the full buffet of stuff
Speaker 10: that people in the socialist persuasion want.
Speaker 3: Sure I bring that.
Speaker 2: Up, as I said, Okay, you could see because among
Speaker 2: younger people, younger people love socialists. You go to a
Speaker 2: college campus, you know you've got Socialism is the greatest thing.
Speaker 3: We just got to do the right kind.
Speaker 2: Socialism is a failed experiment, but we just we haven't
Speaker 2: fully done socialism yet. And that's always the excuse, right
Speaker 2: is why socialism fails. And of course there's a host
Speaker 2: of other reasons. There's you know, central planning can't allocate
Speaker 2: resources effectively and you get rid of competition, and it
Speaker 2: drives incentivization and a whole bunch of things. And we
Speaker 2: can get into why socialism is bad as as a
Speaker 2: as a political philosophy.
Speaker 3: But young people see because yeah, I look at young
Speaker 3: people to America.
Speaker 2: It's New York City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried
Speaker 2: about jobs, they worried about housing, they worried about health care.
Speaker 2: Healthcare has a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem
Speaker 2: and no one has a solution to fixing it other
Speaker 2: than more subsidies that we continue to borrow money to
Speaker 2: give subsided to be people to make it afford it's
Speaker 2: not affordable. We're just taking money from one pile and
Speaker 2: moving it somewhere else. You worry about. You know, people
Speaker 2: haven't worked two or three or more jobs just to
Speaker 2: keep their nose above water. And a lot of people
Speaker 2: can't do that. Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive. So there's
Speaker 2: like a grossola of young people feel like they're painted
Speaker 2: in a corner right now. And that is always the
Speaker 2: catalyst or something like this coming along.
Speaker 10: Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism,
Speaker 10: but actually communism to a certain extent, that's where your
Speaker 10: family is, like I have I have communism at home
Speaker 10: with my children. There where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership,
Speaker 10: and that's great within the family unit. When you start
Speaker 10: trying to build an entire society around it, that's where
Speaker 10: things historically have always falled apart and struggled. That's where
Speaker 10: you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs
Speaker 10: and wants between family units. And that's something where the
Speaker 10: socialists don't appreciate that difference between what goes on and
Speaker 10: family and what goes on between people with different situations, resources, skills,
Speaker 10: and and neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's socialism is and then the next phase after
Speaker 2: communist socialism. You know a lot of people go to
Speaker 2: school and they learn about socialism, and then it just
Speaker 2: becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about we
Speaker 2: just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet. But
Speaker 2: you know the basis of socialism just in general, let alone.
Speaker 2: The version of what democratic socialism is is it's government
Speaker 2: ownership and control. It's a single payer system. There's no
Speaker 2: private competition, and you need all that to thrive into democracy.
Speaker 2: You need that and you know, certainly we have problems
Speaker 2: in America, there's no denying that. But you know, you
Speaker 2: want to be like I don't know, you want to
Speaker 2: be like like the former Soviet Union. Do you want
Speaker 2: to be like you know, China during during the seventies.
Speaker 2: Do you want to be Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea? The
Speaker 2: answer is hell, no.
Speaker 6: You're.
Speaker 10: You're you're very politely going through the history of instances
Speaker 10: where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried, and
Speaker 10: one thing that's really unappreciated and all of that is
Speaker 10: the disappearance of price signals when you start having the
Speaker 10: government promise that they're going to provide everything.
Speaker 6: I think back to an example from.
Speaker 10: About twenty years ago when the Cuban government had to
Speaker 10: provide rice cookers for citizens.
Speaker 6: And there was this it was this big to do. Wow,
Speaker 6: isn't it so magnanimous?
Speaker 10: The Cuban government is providing all citizens with rice cookers.
Speaker 10: And the reason this happened was because the shortage of
Speaker 10: rice cookers in Cuba had really scanned the flames of
Speaker 10: the black market that the government had created for everything else,
Speaker 10: because people weren't because there were so many shortages that
Speaker 10: people were having to go and trade on their own,
Speaker 10: and you had this sort of blossoming private, you know,
Speaker 10: private underground economy. And that's something that socials don't appreciate
Speaker 10: that prices send information. Prices tell us where things are needed,
Speaker 10: where things are wanted, right, and that's why you see
Speaker 10: in those you know, in those societies that they inevitably
Speaker 10: really do lean into socialism, they inevitably run into trouble.
Speaker 2: Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods,
Speaker 2: and we saw the pictures. I'm lined up for toilet
Speaker 2: paper to be handed out right. We've got abundant natural
Speaker 2: resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened and
Speaker 2: we saw the economic collapse, and then they kind of
Speaker 2: want to go back to that because you have a
Speaker 2: generation or two that didn't see how bad it was.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like here with vaccines, right, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: what the vaccine's got to be worse than whooping cough? Well,
Speaker 2: if you see what wooping cough looks like, you would
Speaker 2: rather take the vaccine that have whooping cough.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's unfortunately, these are the sorts of lessons that
Speaker 10: every generation seems inevitably to have to relearn. And it's
Speaker 10: now been thirty four years since the fall of communism,
Speaker 10: and there are people alive in their thirties who have
Speaker 10: never who weren't alive for the USSR, And we have
Speaker 10: to be constantly reminding people about these about these lessons
Speaker 10: where they still exist in the world. We can't rely
Speaker 10: too much talk about what went on behind the Iron Curtain,
Speaker 10: and we have to talk more about where these shortfalls
Speaker 10: are in existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own,
Speaker 10: and talk about where these experiments with socialism just haven't
Speaker 10: panned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is the lesson. But of course the
Speaker 2: cry has always been yeah, but it's different. Now, is
Speaker 2: it really all that different because it's an economic.
Speaker 6: Erce next time will be different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, next time, it said, well, they haven't gotten it
Speaker 2: right yet. I mean, look at some of these other
Speaker 2: countries like Sweden, it's that's more democratic socialism and okay,
Speaker 2: so explain to me how things are so perfect in
Speaker 2: a world like.
Speaker 10: That, and it's not even I mean, let's be clear,
Speaker 10: there's a very big difference between having a very robust
Speaker 10: welfare state funded with lots of taxes and still allowing
Speaker 10: market competition to happen. What probably what we should be
Speaker 10: more concerned about is where the government wants to step
Speaker 10: in and be the only provider of certain things, where
Speaker 10: you stop having competition, where you stop having capital allocation.
Speaker 10: That's where you also run into really big problems with
Speaker 10: cronyism when you start to put government in charge of
Speaker 10: things like like the electric grid or the healthcare system,
Speaker 10: and you you move away from what is an imperfect
Speaker 10: but at least responsive system. And that's one of the
Speaker 10: that's one of the importances of preserving those market systems
Speaker 10: because in a poor performing part of the market you
Speaker 10: can always go somewhere else. You lose that when you
Speaker 10: have the state takeover stuff. And like I said, in Scandinavia,
Speaker 10: they have a lot of social wealth spending, but they
Speaker 10: don't necessarily have asshiciating state ownership of things.
Speaker 6: There's a there's a very big difference there, and I.
Speaker 10: Think people try to almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia through as
Speaker 10: some example of this, you know, democratic socialist nirvana, but
Speaker 10: it's not.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of socialism baked into policies in America, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic
Speaker 2: than our healthcare system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted,
Speaker 2: we're trying to be able to take your money, make
Speaker 2: it portable, and have private schools and vouchers and things
Speaker 2: like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got
Speaker 2: a lot of socialism baked into the American system now,
Speaker 2: case in point under Trump, who's an avowed anti socialist,
Speaker 2: But we just bought what shares of Intel and MP
Speaker 2: and US Steel, Canadian mining companies, a bunch of others
Speaker 2: as well. The state owns the means of production. We
Speaker 2: have socialism now, don't.
Speaker 10: You have instances where we were The most efficient system
Speaker 10: right now is to have state ownership for things, and
Speaker 10: we should be constantly looking critically at that and looking
Speaker 10: for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, but
Speaker 10: we should always be asking the question is this the
Speaker 10: most efficient, responsive way to do stuff, because we often
Speaker 10: find it isn't. Look at what's happened with the postal
Speaker 10: service over the past fifty sixty seventy years, where you've
Speaker 10: had private actors come and you know they have been
Speaker 10: given the space to compete, and in a lot of
Speaker 10: cases they're eating the postal services lunch because competition was
Speaker 10: you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're not going
Speaker 10: to have rival you know snow. You know, we're not
Speaker 10: going to have rival roads or private roads to our
Speaker 10: houses anytime soon. But in places like the healthcare in
Speaker 10: the education space, we routinely find that competition not only
Speaker 10: leads to innovation, but also leads to better outcomes for folks.
Speaker 10: In New York, there are lots of what are called
Speaker 10: charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run schools that
Speaker 10: parents can pick if they don't like how their neighborhood
Speaker 10: school is performing. And there are parts of New York
Speaker 10: City where a third of the public school kids are
Speaker 10: now in charter schools because they've been given that alternative,
Speaker 10: that competition. It's good, it's healthy, and we should constantly
Speaker 10: be looking for opportunities to create more competition, even for
Speaker 10: in spaces where that we right now call the government.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe we're like what sixty seventy years
Speaker 2: past Brown versus Board of Education, but that's exactly what
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: You know, mister Brown, back in the day he said,
Speaker 2: why do I have to send my kid? You know,
Speaker 2: us to be black to a school on the other
Speaker 2: side of town simply because of her skin color. Why
Speaker 2: can't you go to the one right down the street
Speaker 2: from us. Same thing's happening today too. It's like, well, wait,
Speaker 2: why do I have to send my kid across town
Speaker 2: to a school that's performing when a underperforming school, Why
Speaker 2: don't we just fix the school that's broken that steps
Speaker 2: away from my house. Same type of argument, and here
Speaker 2: we go again in a limited time we have because
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are found this man
Speaker 2: Danny thing, but we really haven't discussed his hit list,
Speaker 2: his wants and needs and what he wants to do
Speaker 2: New York City, why he won the mayor all primary.
Speaker 2: What are some of the promise So what are some
Speaker 2: of things that jumped off the page at you when
Speaker 2: it comes to the reforms they want to do with
Speaker 2: a democratic socialist or a socialist system in New York City.
Speaker 10: Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform
Speaker 10: were making buses free with the New York City providing
Speaker 10: free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for
Speaker 10: about half the apartment in New York City. Those that
Speaker 10: are subject to New York City rent regulations.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So you're
Speaker 2: telling me I have a cap on how much I
Speaker 2: can charge. What do you think I'm gonna do?
Speaker 10: Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to
Speaker 10: immediately sell your property if that were the case.
Speaker 2: Or sell to the state, or it's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll keep it. But you know your microwave breaks. You
Speaker 2: think I'm going to replace that anytime soon? The roof
Speaker 2: is laking, a pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working.
Speaker 2: Where's my incentive to fix that if I can't recoup
Speaker 2: my losses.
Speaker 10: This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back
Speaker 10: to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York, which
Speaker 10: were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country.
Speaker 10: But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing, where
Speaker 10: you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out
Speaker 10: and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or
Speaker 10: one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment that's often been
Speaker 10: occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to
Speaker 10: do the upgrades. They don't they don't want to spend
Speaker 10: the money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused,
Speaker 10: which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to
Speaker 10: the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the
Speaker 10: finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability
Speaker 10: to invest other things that would benefit the other tenants.
Speaker 10: And it is something that for which there eventually there
Speaker 10: will be a reckoning in New York as more apartments
Speaker 10: get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into financial
Speaker 10: distress by this law, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 10: the biggest losers are going to be the.
Speaker 3: Dem in New York City.
Speaker 2: It looks like it did in the seventies, where you
Speaker 2: have burnt out buildings and poverty atop of poverty, and
Speaker 2: it becomes a dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 10: I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit
Speaker 10: that situation that we saw the Bronx comes to mind
Speaker 10: in the nineteen seventies. I really hope we don't get there.
Speaker 10: But it is always possible for state policy to result
Speaker 10: in very big problems, especially at the local.
Speaker 2: Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have
Speaker 2: short memories, we don't learn, we don't look at the
Speaker 2: past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well,
Speaker 2: why why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No,
Speaker 2: it's different now, it's really not really that different. The model.
Speaker 2: The model still works and the failures of socialism historically speaking,
Speaker 2: even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources
Speaker 2: and a lot as you as you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 2: there's got to be signals from the from the market
Speaker 2: on what a price on something should be. If not,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have shortages and surpluses and misallocate. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have a million toilet seats and no toilet papers, which
Speaker 2: are going to wind up having, and there's no incentive
Speaker 2: for companies to make stuff. We sa again back to
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. Now you have one one type of
Speaker 2: car is all you have? Well, good the how did
Speaker 2: that work out for those vehicles, whether it's in Cuba
Speaker 2: or whether it's the Soviet Union. And Venezuela is another
Speaker 2: great example oil rich high. You know, you can talk
Speaker 2: about not having resource, but Venezuela is an oil is
Speaker 2: an oil rich nation. And you look at what happened
Speaker 2: there because they nationalize the industries. Productivity went down. You
Speaker 2: had seven plus million people fleeing and their GDP collapsed.
Speaker 2: That's why Venezuela is in the state it's in right now.
Speaker 2: That's why we're blown up ships off their coast because
Speaker 2: you know, exporting drugs as a you know, front for
Speaker 2: China is the only opportunity that they have. And it's
Speaker 2: an aill origination. It's it's a shame, it really is.
Speaker 6: Well, next time will be different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, because now we have the
Speaker 2: Internet and that's the game change.
Speaker 3: We have AI.
Speaker 2: They didn't have the they didn't have the AI back.
Speaker 3: In the nineties. It's gonna be different this time around.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 2: The only thing to change was we had yet people
Speaker 2: come of age, be born and not seeing the abject
Speaker 2: poverty and problems with these models, and then they just
Speaker 2: go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying,
Speaker 2: you know, they're buying something somebody else almos like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't have to work and the state supplies everything.
Speaker 9: Sign me up.
Speaker 3: Who doesn't want that? It's like crawling back in the womb.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be responsible, accountable, you don't have
Speaker 2: to hustle or do anything. But if if you do,
Speaker 2: and if you want to, we don't have room for you.
Speaker 2: There's no incentive to do that. Again, it's a kinjer arden.
Speaker 2: You can read about this at man Hatton Institute dot
Speaker 2: dot com or is it dot org?
Speaker 6: I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute.
Speaker 3: Manhattan dot Institute. There you go. So I really.
Speaker 2: It could be the best, the good best, or socialism
Speaker 2: on the husband anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be.
Speaker 3: Well thanks, yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Now it's New York City though, so we live in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.
Speaker 2: Look at it and get the popcorn out. We watched
Speaker 2: like la right, just go yeah, okay, well you do you.
Speaker 2: I don't really care, but I will say, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean maybe the opposite could be true as well,
Speaker 2: that maybe his brand of socialism. And again I say
Speaker 2: that tongue in cheek, not as extreme as it's made.
Speaker 3: Out to be. We'll see.
Speaker 2: It's simply because I think it's kind of surprising to
Speaker 2: me anyway, as a small government kind of guy, that
Speaker 2: he announced just I think yesterday day before that he
Speaker 2: is going to eliminate a lot of the rules restrictions
Speaker 2: and fees for small business in New York City. Not
Speaker 2: very socialistic of him, but nonetheless, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: We'll say it plays out anyway, and what the impact
Speaker 2: is for this next election cycle coming up. I just
Speaker 2: fear there's going to be more like him. We'll find out.
Speaker 2: We'll find out how about some new use traffic weather
Speaker 2: with all the snow flying around here and there, We'll
Speaker 2: find out what the future brings. And I know it's
Speaker 2: gonna be cold. We'll find out we're getting any accumulating
Speaker 2: snow in our area anyway too. I know Wilmington up
Speaker 2: that way north Elebanon northeast eleven and got a little
Speaker 2: bit of snow like four four and a half inches
Speaker 2: up that way. So if you're traveling there, be advised.
Speaker 2: Scott's Loan Show. In a return, we'll tell a little
Speaker 2: health and fitness and how to deal with all of
Speaker 2: this weather now that the reality post holiday has set in?
Speaker 2: How do you deal between now and opening day? We'll
Speaker 2: get into that next seven hundred w ol wwt Scott's
Speaker 2: Loan Show, Scott's Loon Show. This is seven hundred w
Speaker 2: old w I don't have to tell you that we
Speaker 2: are headed into that time of the year where we
Speaker 2: don't see the sun. Like Johnny Cash, I ain't seen
Speaker 2: the sun suns. I don't know when. It's like you're
Speaker 2: in fulsome prison for about six months in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Speaker 2: We're about to have the time change, and then you
Speaker 2: don't see the sun well maybe late afternoon, then lucky
Speaker 2: at all? And how do you get by with all
Speaker 2: this stuff? Like in real life in Cincinnati. It's one
Speaker 2: thing to talk about time change and effect it has,
Speaker 2: but we live here and we know how just gray
Speaker 2: and dismal it can be until baseball starts all back.
Speaker 2: He's Jen Beckett, Complete Health Revolution, Jen, Welcome. How are
Speaker 2: you So? This all started back in the fall with
Speaker 2: the time change. I talked about that, and then the
Speaker 2: holidays come along and we're kind of happy, and hey, Holidays,
Speaker 2: it's festive. I got my new outfan. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: on a partner and hang out with my friends. I'm
Speaker 2: family and take some time off and I gotta shop
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And then New York, okay, New Year,
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve we were part of like rock stars,
Speaker 2: and then we come out Okay, time to diet, fitness,
Speaker 2: all that said.
Speaker 3: Great, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Here we are now a couple of weeks in the
Speaker 2: new year, and the reality, especially with the snowflakes fly
Speaker 2: and this morning is cold and bitter. It's going to
Speaker 2: be now. Reality is set in. Uh, there's only so
Speaker 2: much positive energy I have. I'm exhausted at this point
Speaker 2: relative to diet, in sunlight and all those things tell
Speaker 2: me something good.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there is so much and such a great question,
Speaker 11: and it's timely topic, you know. I think one of
Speaker 11: the biggest pieces that is really important to consider is
Speaker 11: to listen to your body's natural rhythm. You know, as
Speaker 11: we as we change seasons and daylight shortens and cortisol
Speaker 11: and melatonin patterns change, we might be craving more rest,
Speaker 11: more and more warmth. There's grounding tools that we can use,
Speaker 11: there's grounding foods that we can lean into. But the
Speaker 11: key is to really listen to what your body is
Speaker 11: telling you. And I know, in a fast paced society
Speaker 11: we try and just.
Speaker 8: Go and go and go.
Speaker 11: Sometimes the most powerful thing we can do is just
Speaker 11: slow down, take a breath, and go what do I
Speaker 11: really need right now?
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Well, like physically, I mean, how about a bag of Dorito's.
Speaker 2: That's I could use that right now.
Speaker 11: Okay, let me rephrase that, because intuitive eating it right
Speaker 11: a lot of people go, oh, well, whatever, I feel
Speaker 11: like that's what I should be eating. Well, intuitive is
Speaker 11: what does.
Speaker 8: My body need more of right now?
Speaker 11: And Dorito's. Chances are our body doesn't need Dorito's. Our
Speaker 11: mouth might be craving it, our brain might be craving it.
Speaker 11: But chances are we're going to be looking for things
Speaker 11: that are more in the lines of movement rest nourishments.
Speaker 11: You know, in the fall season, in the winter, we
Speaker 11: tend to lean more towards grounding vegetables. Think about like
Speaker 11: root vegetables that have more density to them. They're warmer vegetables.
Speaker 11: They hold a more chloric value for us. And you know,
Speaker 11: outside of nourishment, we're also leaning more towards more sunlight
Speaker 11: and hydration. Might be warmer beverages versus you know, ice,
Speaker 11: coal beverages we experienced or enjoy in the summertime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that that makes sense. You want that warmth,
Speaker 2: you want that comfort, you want something to you know,
Speaker 2: everyone loves a mug of coffee or if you like
Speaker 2: tea or whatever, and it's cider even right, it's warm,
Speaker 2: you put your hands around it in front of the fireplace,
Speaker 2: very Norman walk rock well like. But there's actually is
Speaker 2: there physical or is it more metal component?
Speaker 3: Ors it both?
Speaker 11: It's both, It really is both. And so in Araveda
Speaker 11: medicine that there are absolutely seasons that we lean into
Speaker 11: if we're thinking about nutrition based on the season. Fall
Speaker 11: in winter are more warming and grounding foods, so roasted veggies, soups, stews,
Speaker 11: you know, turnips and carrots and potatoes and things like that.
Speaker 11: More warming spices like cinnamon or ginger, and tumoric you know,
Speaker 11: they help to stabilize our blood sugar. They also help
Speaker 11: to calm our stress hormones, and that in comparison with
Speaker 11: you know, spring and summer where we're eating more leafy
Speaker 11: greens and fresh fruits and berries and citrus and things
Speaker 11: like that. So you know, the heavier and more grounding
Speaker 11: foods allows us to be able to feel more grounded
Speaker 11: and have more sustainable warmth in our body too.
Speaker 2: So are you saying that our bodies have like a
Speaker 2: circadian rhythm themselves or I mean our stomach.
Speaker 11: Anyway, you know, I don't know that there's a huge change.
Speaker 11: Although you know, having some extra probiotics, just extra vitamin
Speaker 11: D can be really beneficial because we're not getting the
Speaker 11: sunlight that we normally do.
Speaker 8: So so you're.
Speaker 11: Looking at that and then as the season change and
Speaker 11: stuff too, because some people are really affected by season
Speaker 11: changes and pallens in the air and you know all
Speaker 11: of the all of the allergies that come out. But
Speaker 11: it's really like, how do we support our body in
Speaker 11: quote unquote flu and cold season. So D three plus
Speaker 11: K two omegas which help with brain and formone health,
Speaker 11: and really making sure we're getting plenty of sleep and
Speaker 11: hydration so that we can be able to keep the
Speaker 11: body balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hydration going to be the big part of you
Speaker 2: think just the summer, but you know, you again maybe
Speaker 2: not sweat as much, but you still have to stay
Speaker 2: hydrated because you're inside the dry air leads to cold.
Speaker 2: Hydration is going to help a lot with that. I'm
Speaker 2: a supplement guy myself. I've been taking a vitemine since
Speaker 2: my mom made me take flintstones vitamins back in the day.
Speaker 2: I still love flintstones and vitamins, but you know, I've
Speaker 2: added vitamin D. I think vitamin D is a very
Speaker 2: underrated one, especially what we know about cancer. But what
Speaker 2: you mentioned is vitamin D is what you need when
Speaker 2: you don't see the sum as much.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I mean, like seventy five eighty percent of the population
Speaker 11: is chronically deficient in vitamin D and it is, like
Speaker 11: you said, it's one of the most important cancer fighters.
Speaker 11: And then coupling that with magnesium K two helps to
Speaker 11: shuttle you know, the calcium into our bones more effectively
Speaker 11: and helps our bone density as well, and not to
Speaker 11: mention our immune system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course tryan to get a good night's
Speaker 3: sleep as well.
Speaker 2: It's always nice to you know, you know, it's cold
Speaker 2: out or whatever, snuggling out of the covers and having
Speaker 2: a good It seems to be easier to sleep in
Speaker 2: the winter just because of that in your mind for
Speaker 2: me anyway, than it does in the summer when it's hot.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think there's a little bit of inner bear in
Speaker 11: each one of us where we just want to hibernate,
Speaker 11: shurl in and s with you up. It's just like
Speaker 11: that in the winter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jen back in for Sanjay this morning on seven hundred
Speaker 2: WWE Scotsland Showtutal a little health and wellness this morning,
Speaker 2: at this time every Thursday morning, cheese jen at a
Speaker 2: complete health revolution and talking about Okay, now we've settled
Speaker 2: into the winter moss holidays, a roll over. The fun
Speaker 2: is over. People are trying to get back on the
Speaker 2: stick maybe diet, exercise, And now you're a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks into this whole thing, and well, now we've got
Speaker 2: more freezing weather and darkness coming.
Speaker 3: Do we need more sunlight as we age?
Speaker 11: I don't know that you need more, but we definitely
Speaker 11: need a lot of it, right, I mean, just mentally
Speaker 11: the more closed down we are. You know, there's a
Speaker 11: I've read a set of years ago and they were
Speaker 11: talking about the links between like having your blinds closed
Speaker 11: and its impact on depression. And you think about, you know,
Speaker 11: not having as much light during the day because our
Speaker 11: days are shorter in the winter time. But then the
Speaker 11: less that we're even exposed to that can impact our
Speaker 11: mental psyche and things like that too.
Speaker 8: So I think it's incredibly.
Speaker 11: Important at any age. But the lower we feel, the
Speaker 11: more sun we meet.
Speaker 2: No, that makes sense, and you try to get it
Speaker 2: at any way you can. Now if you're fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to go to get away in the winter for a
Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe you're a snowbird, or maybe you can
Speaker 2: go and do a week or two where it's sunny out.
Speaker 2: That's going to go a long way. How long does
Speaker 2: that do you know? How long that affects after? I mean, okay,
Speaker 2: you go on vacation, you feel good after vacation coming
Speaker 2: back towards cold, there's nothing worse, by the way, But
Speaker 2: how long that that vitamin D and all have that sunshine?
Speaker 2: I mean, how long does that benefit you after you
Speaker 2: get back to gray, dismal cold Cincinnati.
Speaker 8: Yeah, great question.
Speaker 11: I think it really depends on each individual person, Scott.
Speaker 11: And the reality is that most people don't actually get
Speaker 11: the benefit of the vitamin D when they go on
Speaker 11: vacation because we need the vitamin D to actually hit
Speaker 11: our skin unprotected for it to be converted into vitamin D.
Speaker 11: So if we're lathered up in sunscreen, we're not actually
Speaker 11: creating any of the vitamin D because it's being blocked
Speaker 11: by the sunblock.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 11: Reality is we actually need unprotected exposure and it's like
Speaker 11: twenty minutes a day. But the challenge is if you're
Speaker 11: above the Atlanta line at Georgia line.
Speaker 8: We don't get enough sun sun exposure.
Speaker 11: It's not strong enough interesting to really help us create
Speaker 11: the viemin D for majority of the year. I mean
Speaker 11: we're at least six months out of the year. It's
Speaker 11: not strong enough to be able to.
Speaker 8: Help us create what we need, gotcha.
Speaker 11: And then if we're using sunscreen on top of that,
Speaker 11: it's you know, we're.
Speaker 8: Kidding you, your lost.
Speaker 3: But there's also but the mental effect.
Speaker 2: It's like I could feel the sun on my faces.
Speaker 2: It maybe strain, but I feel it and I'm breathing
Speaker 2: it in and it's nice not to have a winter
Speaker 2: coat on.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: We're talking about, you know, things you can do to
Speaker 2: fight off sad seasonal effective disorder in some way, shape
Speaker 2: or form. We're all struck by it, some people far
Speaker 2: worse than others. You just kind of grind through it
Speaker 2: and tolerate it. But there's little cheats you have along
Speaker 2: the way here to help your body adjust to it,
Speaker 2: or at least simply tolerate a lot better than you
Speaker 2: have in the past.
Speaker 3: Sleep is a big one.
Speaker 2: But you know, I mentioned, you know what the kind
Speaker 2: of foods you're eating, the seasonal foods you're eating, but
Speaker 2: also a little exercise helps as well. Right, do you
Speaker 2: want to do that more in the winter in the
Speaker 2: morning or the evening.
Speaker 11: I would say in the morning, you're starting your day,
Speaker 11: You're getting your body going, and you might need to
Speaker 11: change it up a little bit.
Speaker 8: You're probably going to do.
Speaker 11: More indoor strength training in yoga and maybe treadmill in
Speaker 11: the gym and stuff like that. But if I grew
Speaker 11: up in Minnesota, so Minnesota, I'm used to going out
Speaker 11: in the wintertime, and that's one thing that I highly
Speaker 11: encourage because the sun exposure and getting outside in nature.
Speaker 11: We have such an energy shift when we are in
Speaker 11: nature than when we're inside. So even though you know
Speaker 11: we're still dealing with the time change and the shorter
Speaker 11: days and stuff like that, the more than we get outside,
Speaker 11: even if it's for a walk mid day, it helps
Speaker 11: with our mood, It helps with our endorsemence, it helps
Speaker 11: with our body, you know, really getting it going. So
Speaker 11: if possible, I would say, still exercise at some point
Speaker 11: during the day, even if it's ten minutes in the
Speaker 11: sunshine versus just working out like six am.
Speaker 8: In the dark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Silk Country too,
Speaker 2: and I'm just used to being out in it. Now
Speaker 2: as you get older, you're like, man, this is not
Speaker 2: as fun as easy to be when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: But I like, yo, shovel snow and that's a good workout. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if we get that kind of snow around here, hopefully
Speaker 2: not anytime soon, but we certainly will. And you know,
Speaker 2: at some point you will eventually see the sun. When
Speaker 2: Red's Basico ball comes back around gen then that starts
Speaker 2: to feel like summer again.
Speaker 3: And we do this all over but there's ways to
Speaker 3: get through it.
Speaker 2: So vitamins, supplements, exercise, get and sleep very least. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be a gym rat in order
Speaker 2: to get exercise. So and you're like, well, like water,
Speaker 2: I can't go for a walk. It's icy and snowy outside.
Speaker 2: What can you do?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, and it's really I mean to your point,
Speaker 11: you don't have to be a gym rat just doing
Speaker 11: basic exercises. Just I think about functional fitness a lot.
Speaker 11: One of the exercises a lot of my clients love
Speaker 11: is what I call it get up. So you literally
Speaker 11: lay down in the ground, flat out, your legs out,
Speaker 11: your arms out, and you just get up and doing
Speaker 11: those exercises just about every motion and every muscle in
Speaker 11: your body, because you have to use yourself to propel
Speaker 11: yourself up. And if it takes you initially two minutes
Speaker 11: to get up because you need assistance, cool, it gets slow.
Speaker 11: Use assistance if you need to, you know, if you're
Speaker 11: older and have or have an injury.
Speaker 8: Or something like that.
Speaker 11: But just the act of engaging all of your muscles
Speaker 11: is incredibly powerful and it's something that anybody can do.
Speaker 8: We don't have to have.
Speaker 11: You know, gym equipment or a boat flex or you
Speaker 11: know whatnot, But it's how do we incorporate the little things,
Speaker 11: you know, doing some squats while you're sitting on the
Speaker 11: phone waiting for the phone to ring, or.
Speaker 8: Doing some counter push ups in the kitchen.
Speaker 11: You know, there's so many little ways that we can
Speaker 11: incorporate movement into our day without having to live at
Speaker 11: the gym or overhaul our entire life trying to figure
Speaker 11: out how to.
Speaker 8: Quote unquote get healthy.
Speaker 2: I see what you did. They're kind of went for
Speaker 2: like the trendy. The Turkish get up is what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: The trendy.
Speaker 2: Like if you're seeing people do it, it's a kettlebell
Speaker 2: exercise where you're lying on your back. You got a kettlebell,
Speaker 2: which is the round one. It looks like a cannon
Speaker 2: ball with a handle on it, and you're holding that
Speaker 2: over your head with one arm, and there's a specific
Speaker 2: sequence you form to get up off the floor and
Speaker 2: then reverse the pattern to get back down. It's like
Speaker 2: a full body kind of workout thing. So if you
Speaker 2: see freaks like Jen doing it, it's called a turkey shadow,
Speaker 2: is what it is.
Speaker 11: Yes, and it's also something and the guy with a
Speaker 11: client who literally couldn't get up and down off the
Speaker 11: floor by herself. She had to use the couch or
Speaker 11: she had to have somebody's hand to be able to
Speaker 11: help her up. But by doing a get up just
Speaker 11: body weight, she started gaining enough strength where she was
Speaker 11: able to improve her functionality and she was able to
Speaker 11: get up on her own.
Speaker 2: Never a while, it seems like such a silly exercise,
Speaker 2: but it's literally like very very bag. You think about it, like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's something everybody, especially as you get older. Now, maybe
Speaker 2: you don't do it with a twenty pound kettleball over
Speaker 2: your head, but just and you can break it up
Speaker 2: into small chunks too, but that's a very real life
Speaker 2: kind of exercise, right, you're actually doing You're doing something
Speaker 2: that you'll use, maybe not every day getting off the floor,
Speaker 2: but how many people you're older, like man, I can't
Speaker 2: get up off the floor without a crane and O
Speaker 2: Dot coming and putting cones around me. You'll be able
Speaker 2: to do that after a very short period of time,
Speaker 2: which was really really handy.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and for me, I look at you know, I mean,
Speaker 11: I want to live to be ninety one hundred hundred
Speaker 11: and ten years old, but I want to be functional
Speaker 11: doing it. I don't want to just live that long
Speaker 11: sitting in a nursing home or sitting in a wheelchair.
Speaker 11: I want to be out, traveling and living life. And
Speaker 11: so the more functional we can make our movement and
Speaker 11: our fitness, and the more intention we have behind that,
Speaker 11: the longer and more longevity we're going to have in
Speaker 11: our life.
Speaker 3: No doubt.
Speaker 2: Jen Beck at Complete Health Revolution, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: the time this morning on Scott Slone Show. Appreciate the
Speaker 2: good information. Winter is here. Thanks again, appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thanks guys, I appreciate you. Here.
Speaker 2: She's in for our physician Sonjay SHEVACREMANI here, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna talk health and fitness and stuff on Thursday mornings.
Speaker 3: But yeah, winter's back. Winter's here. Baby. We had that
Speaker 3: early hit.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, multiple inches of snow, and I was
Speaker 2: kind of warming. I was like sixty degrees. Couple, like
Speaker 2: last week, they're golfing and shorts. You're crying out, lou
Speaker 2: like it's Florida or something in January. And now it's
Speaker 2: starting to You're like, well, it's January again, so we're
Speaker 2: in for the grind, right.
Speaker 3: How do I think the holidays too? For most people?
Speaker 3: You know, you a little bit of snow and cold.
Speaker 2: Temperatures, and there's Christmas trees and you know, good drinks
Speaker 2: and food and your and there's revelry and the excitement
Speaker 2: of Christmas and the holidays and getting the other friends
Speaker 2: and family. Also taking some time off as most of
Speaker 2: us did. Most all of us did. And then the
Speaker 2: pattern says and okay, first week in New Year, can't
Speaker 2: wait to get back. Okay, I'm a little slow to
Speaker 2: by this time. By the middle of the month, that's
Speaker 2: when reality strikes, like, Okay, fund's over. I started some
Speaker 2: new things and came out of the blocks running and
Speaker 2: now it's starting to be a pattern and like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, now it really hits you, right, So hopefully
Speaker 2: some things in there to help you help you cope
Speaker 2: until we see the sun again. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I'll point out Reds baseball less than seventy days away,
Speaker 2: although I don't know how much we're anticipating it's baseball
Speaker 2: because last night it's inta a center. I saw this
Speaker 2: with Phil Castelini was announced of the crowd, a partnership
Speaker 2: between the university and our Red Legs, and he was speaking,
Speaker 2: but you really couldn't hear that much of it because
Speaker 2: the crowd was booing that loudly.
Speaker 3: Yeh, that's tough, tough times for Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Sports for sure, normally have anticipation the Reds being great
Speaker 2: and okay, get this, and I think just because that
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber thing, a lot of people are down. We'll
Speaker 2: see how it plays out. I mean, they got to
Speaker 2: the playoffs last year. Don't know what's going to push
Speaker 2: him over the top this year. We'll find out. Bengals,
Speaker 2: we've lost all hope there, that's done and over. No
Speaker 2: fun watching other teams play football and your team is
Speaker 2: I don't know where were they the boys. Burrow and
Speaker 2: the boys were in Vegas having a good old time. Fantastic.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: Everyone else is focused on the playoffs. I know you see,
Speaker 2: and well Ex did win, so they both won. But
Speaker 2: not turning down when you look at hey, Miami, that's
Speaker 2: our team, Max basketball team.
Speaker 3: Great, they're rolling undefeated. Awesome. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, it is winner to set in here, a
Speaker 2: lot to look forward to, but you just lean into it.
Speaker 3: I suppose the best way to do it.
Speaker 2: Let me get a time out in we got news
Speaker 2: on the way when we return on this Otsloan show.
Speaker 2: New rules in Kentucky. Three strikes and you're out for renters.
Speaker 2: I like this a lot simply because you know, generally
Speaker 2: people are landlords like myself are looked at as evil people.
Speaker 2: You know, the same people that I guess the folks
Speaker 2: in Minnesota elsewhere they would protest be angry at us
Speaker 2: because you own property. But anyway, the scales in a
Speaker 2: lot of areas have been tilted away from from landlords,
Speaker 2: and I Cincinnati feels that way at times too. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Jesse Brewers here, that gets some new three strikes in
Speaker 2: your outlaw. That's going to go in effect in that community,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to him coming up after news. A
Speaker 2: quick update speaking of weather, we've got that traffic and
Speaker 2: more just ahead on seven hundred W All Thebody Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: My Scott Fold here on seven hundred W LW.
Speaker 2: So we've heard the story of the Angel Store, about renters,
Speaker 2: the landlords, and there's an effort to reduce repeat emergency
Speaker 2: calls to rental properties. And you know sometimes there are
Speaker 2: properties out there and people renting that are news, at
Speaker 2: least in Kentucky Common Sensus King because they're they're proposing
Speaker 2: a law which would address chronic nuisance occurrences at rental properties,
Speaker 2: a three strikes in your outlaw and on that is
Speaker 2: Boon County Commissioner Jesse Brewer working with State REPTJ. Roberts
Speaker 2: in Northern Kentucky for house spilled three three seven that
Speaker 2: would do justice. Jesse, welcome, how you been?
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm great, Thank you Thanks venting me on to Yeah,
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, give me the details of though, First of all,
Speaker 2: why is this needed? How big a problem are the
Speaker 2: nuisance tenants in Northern Kentucky and Boone County.
Speaker 12: So well, it's not just Boone County. It's everywhere.
Speaker 5: This is it.
Speaker 12: It's any area where you have rental property. What if
Speaker 12: you get someone that's excessively abusing public services, you know
Speaker 12: there is this is for the person that plays for
Speaker 12: Radio two loud all the time, or maybe partaking in
Speaker 12: some substances they shouldn't partake in. The neighbors smell it
Speaker 12: and complain or whatever the case may be, what they
Speaker 12: call neighbor.
Speaker 6: Someone calls nine.
Speaker 12: To one one. The police have to go out there.
Speaker 12: The parent I think have to go out there for
Speaker 12: whatever reason. And also not it's taking away from their
Speaker 12: job of what they should be doing, you know, because
Speaker 12: they have to respond no matter what, because what if
Speaker 12: it's that one time there is really a problem, right,
Speaker 12: so they got to respond. Well after they do this
Speaker 12: so many times the cities in County two, they can
Speaker 12: tell the property owner, hey, we got a problem here
Speaker 12: at this property.
Speaker 5: We've been here x y z times.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 12: I had a tenant in a building in the city
Speaker 12: in Kenton County and I think the police were there
Speaker 12: eighteen times in a thirty day span because he would
Speaker 12: just went and put playing a stereo allowed and then
Speaker 12: they were kept calling, and so the city came to
Speaker 12: me and said, hey, you gotta do something about this
Speaker 12: or you're going to start finding you. Well, under current law,
Speaker 12: if a tenant's paying their rent, you can't just give
Speaker 12: them a seven day nose to vacate for non payment rent.
Speaker 12: I know Ohio is three day, but in Kentucky at
Speaker 12: seven you can't just give them a seven day nine
Speaker 12: post non payment notice. You gotta file thirty day eviction notice.
Speaker 12: You gotta file thirty day notice of vacate right then
Speaker 12: you can of victim. So they'll give me in there,
Speaker 12: fornuncio two to three months. Well, what House No. Three
Speaker 12: thirty seven will do is it will allow us to
Speaker 12: shorten that length and that notice period, shorten that up,
Speaker 12: allowing to get them out quicker. The NW sense, which
Speaker 12: is for less of Australia on public services. The property
Speaker 12: owner can then maybe get a tenant in there that's
Speaker 12: a good community member, lower their costs, you know, because
Speaker 12: you got a person that's doing this things tearing the
Speaker 12: place up. Lower my cost I lower my operating costs,
Speaker 12: I lower my housing costs.
Speaker 6: Housing gets cheaper.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that makes sense.
Speaker 9: Let me Jesse.
Speaker 2: Let me play devil's advocate for just a second. I
Speaker 2: like being the devil's advocate here. This happened in Ohio
Speaker 2: years ago when we had when gun crimes were starting
Speaker 2: to I guess, become more of an issue than they
Speaker 2: are now. Seems kind of quaint to think that wasn't
Speaker 2: a case. But they decided, Hey, we're gonna sue gun
Speaker 2: man if we're going to have their gun manufactured, then
Speaker 2: the defense will well, you know what, why are you
Speaker 2: soon as well? Because of the cost police fire, emergency
Speaker 2: responders and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a fall of the gun. What aboutpening?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: No, that's why police fire and MS exists is in
Speaker 2: order to do that, you can't sue someone for doing
Speaker 2: their job in that case. Does that apply here in
Speaker 2: that Yeah, it might be a nuisance and it's training resources.
Speaker 2: But police fire and MS exists to respond in this
Speaker 2: case nuisance tentence. Police exists to respond to things like
Speaker 2: that as part of their job description.
Speaker 3: Is that an affirmatile defense?
Speaker 12: It could be, but then they're going to look to
Speaker 12: you as a property owner because they have ordinances on
Speaker 12: our folks that.
Speaker 6: Says you have a problem.
Speaker 12: Ten here that's creating and creating us to be called
Speaker 12: come here too much, stucking up too much resources, and
Speaker 12: we're going to start charging you for these trips. Or
Speaker 12: you've got a problem here with this tenant because the
Speaker 12: resident that you're responsible for because we are here too much,
Speaker 12: got it because it's there. So it's I feel what
Speaker 12: you're saying on that. But with the ordinate and laws
Speaker 12: are in the books, we are kind of forced as
Speaker 12: property as to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because because.
Speaker 2: Then I could I could turn that around and go, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if I got to make if we're making multiple runs
Speaker 2: to the same place over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: could that not apply to I don't know, a sports stadium,
Speaker 2: Could that und apply to a university?
Speaker 3: Could that not apply Let's say to a nursing.
Speaker 2: Home where you you know again, whether it's police fire, mss. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's a nursing home here where I live, and in
Speaker 2: every other day there's a squad out front, largely because
Speaker 2: the people inside are the age where they're passing away
Speaker 2: or suffering the debilitating or stressing medical emergencies as comes
Speaker 2: with old age. But no one would agree that, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, we should target a nursing home because
Speaker 2: of all the response calls we have there because they're
Speaker 2: abusing the system.
Speaker 12: Correct, and that's where the abuse is the system going
Speaker 12: to come in as a specific person. If you have
Speaker 12: a nursing home, large department store, you're getting calls as
Speaker 12: different people, different issues, or they're legitimate medical burgencies. And again,
Speaker 12: this doesn't get triggered unless the city or the municipality
Speaker 12: cite the property.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So, and they're not going to do that unless it's
Speaker 12: a legitimate abusive resource. If that's the legitimarieson be there,
Speaker 12: they're not gonna that. Those triggers wouldn't happen.
Speaker 3: Got it, got it?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And in Cincinnati, I don't know if it's changed since
Speaker 2: or not. I don't own proper in Cincinnati, but for
Speaker 2: a while they were talking, Hey, you know what, if
Speaker 2: you've got a you know, a tenant that's a problem.
Speaker 2: After a couple occurrences, we're going to start finding the landlord.
Speaker 2: I go, wait a minute, now, if I've got a
Speaker 2: grown ass adult living in one of my units, am
Speaker 2: I responsible to drive by several times a day to
Speaker 2: make sure that individuals not playing their music loud or
Speaker 2: smoking weed in the yard or doing it, and of
Speaker 2: course not that that's on them, not that's not the landlord.
Speaker 12: I don't disagree with you at all, and but they
Speaker 12: look at you as their screen responsible person to.
Speaker 5: Put them in there.
Speaker 12: Mike Kennard has been well, if they owned their own house,
Speaker 12: so you start signing fighting, Yeah exactly said the police said,
Speaker 12: yeah we will.
Speaker 6: There's orgousness for that. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: To say that, because the people who are responsible we
Speaker 2: won't hold accountable. We'll account the typical in America, the
Speaker 2: people who are responsible accountable, We're gonna hold them responsible
Speaker 2: as opposed to the people are even though they're all adults.
Speaker 2: I could see it doing for a kid, but these
Speaker 2: are grown adults correct.
Speaker 12: And a lot of times when the first responders in
Speaker 12: the cities don't necessarily understand how landlord tenant law works,
Speaker 12: and they're like, get this person out of here, let's
Speaker 12: do process. I gotta give them a thirty day notice,
Speaker 12: I gotta wait for this, I gotta you know those
Speaker 12: hoops I gotta jump through and they don't understand that
Speaker 12: or grasp that, and they get frustrated with you. So
Speaker 12: ideally this would allow us to identify the problem that
Speaker 12: apple is a few and speed up that time to
Speaker 12: save resources, preserve property. You know, if I got a
Speaker 12: tenant that's just junking up the yard and jumping dunk
Speaker 12: junk cars in the yard, doing this and doing that,
Speaker 12: I gotta let them sit there and continue to damage
Speaker 12: the property for an extra month under the current wall.
Speaker 6: Assuming that rents.
Speaker 12: Yeah, this way I can get get the street the problem,
Speaker 12: lower my cost, get a better to in there, make
Speaker 12: the neighbors happy, make the police have apartment, fire department happy,
Speaker 12: code enforcement happy, and everyone wins and.
Speaker 3: It's good for the neighbor's DA.
Speaker 2: If you you know the other thing Jesse Brewer by
Speaker 2: theay Boone County Commissioner on this three strikes you're out
Speaker 2: law that's being proposed in Kentucky, meaning that if police
Speaker 2: have multiple calls, we'll get the details of that. A
Speaker 2: second multiple calls to a rental property, you can, as
Speaker 2: a landlord evict that person that holds them accountable for
Speaker 2: their actions. Because the way in cincinnatalis it was is
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to go after the landlord. If
Speaker 2: it's a new sentenant, Okay, well can I victim Oh no, no, no, no, No,
Speaker 2: that's that's damn near impossible to kick these people out
Speaker 2: because you know you got to go a course the
Speaker 2: whole probable. Wait a minute, hold on just a second. Here,
Speaker 2: this is Jesse. I like you because your common sense
Speaker 2: kind of guy like me. This is just damn common sense.
Speaker 2: Get into the details exactly. Yeah, get in the details
Speaker 2: of what the triggers for this eviction would be.
Speaker 12: So first of all, it starts with if people just
Speaker 12: do what they're supposed to do and be normal human beings,
Speaker 12: you don't have anything to worry about. Right If people
Speaker 12: just do the right thing and not be an a hole, uh,
Speaker 12: you know, then you wouldn't have any issues. But this
Speaker 12: is designed for you know, you got someone that's likes
Speaker 12: to put off a bunch of crap in the yard
Speaker 12: of the property and make it unsafe. They're putting cars
Speaker 12: or putting refrigerators or whatever they want to do. I
Speaker 12: had this happen to me, Well, City pych you as
Speaker 12: they rightfully should.
Speaker 5: I get that.
Speaker 12: Okay, they're gonna side. If you can't do this, we've
Speaker 12: got to ordinate fi get this. You know, after about
Speaker 12: three or four of those you like for one, you
Speaker 12: always find a stack up, and now they're like, get
Speaker 12: this person out of here. You know, we keep coming
Speaker 12: over here to deal the decisions. This person needs to go. Well,
Speaker 12: they pay their rent, so I got to go file
Speaker 12: a third day notice to vacate on them, and then
Speaker 12: I can file an addiction after that if they stay,
Speaker 12: and that's another thirty days.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 12: Meanwhile, you're still dealing with the same issues and the
Speaker 12: frustrations reap or you get another person that you know
Speaker 12: they like to play the stereo a little too loud
Speaker 12: and the neighbors are constantly calling the police. Well, if
Speaker 12: they show about three or four or five times within
Speaker 12: a certain times, man, they will send you a love
Speaker 12: note that says we're gonna start finding you. Mister property owner.
Speaker 12: You need to get your tenant community orders rules in line.
Speaker 12: So's there's some layers that have to happen here. You know,
Speaker 12: you have to have an excessive repeat offender that that
Speaker 12: that has unfounded you know, culture service. Then the city
Speaker 12: would have to cite you or or then the city
Speaker 12: would say okay, this is the problem. They give you
Speaker 12: the notice, then you can do the three day notice
Speaker 12: of vacate. As this law of proposed gotcha and shave
Speaker 12: a month off, the shave a month off the process.
Speaker 2: So you have to have what three three strikes in
Speaker 2: a would you say, six month period.
Speaker 12: That's the current that's how it is currently written, but
Speaker 12: it's a lot of stuff fall discretionary to when the
Speaker 12: city is also cite the landlords. There's still gonna be
Speaker 12: some bugs to work out here. I think the three
Speaker 12: months has three, three and six months. But the city
Speaker 12: doesn't cite you or the county doesn't fit you, then
Speaker 12: there there's no trigger there. They have to be the
Speaker 12: one to take the step aside.
Speaker 2: You well, what about an element of discrimination here in
Speaker 2: a sense that because I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 2: how how one may counter this argument in poke holes
Speaker 2: in it and I'll help the law become better. Let's say,
Speaker 2: for example, Uh, there's some bad neighbors and they don't
Speaker 2: like the person living there because they're young, they're old,
Speaker 2: they're white, they're black, they are I don't know, gay, straight,
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, and like the neighbors like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, or are they you know? I've seen this
Speaker 2: one before too, believe in on political affiliations, we don't
Speaker 2: want this person the neighbor, you do that how do
Speaker 2: we know that those are legitimate calls for service and
Speaker 2: complaints as opposed to someone just trying to run someone
Speaker 2: off of property.
Speaker 12: And that's a good point that's too to be worked out.
Speaker 12: I believe the spirit of the law would be they
Speaker 12: are the problem, not someone calling on them for something
Speaker 12: that they can't control, like one of those types of things. Okay,
Speaker 12: you know you still have they everyone still has a
Speaker 12: First Amendment right. They're still a right, you know, freedom
Speaker 12: of speech and see whatever of religion, political affiliation they want.
Speaker 12: And if they're you know, spare housing has a lot
Speaker 12: of protections there, and someone's calling for one of those
Speaker 12: honored reasons and the city gets there said, well, this
Speaker 12: is don't really.
Speaker 6: Have found a complaint.
Speaker 12: They can't go back on you and make you violate
Speaker 12: fare housing to move someone out because of the coloror
Speaker 12: skin or they're realizing or familys des because and everything life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you cand always find a neighbor doing
Speaker 2: something you disagree with, but calling the place, some people
Speaker 2: do that. They're vindictive, they got nothing better to do.
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen. I'm sure you've seen it happen
Speaker 2: with with sentence as well. And whatever the issue is,
Speaker 2: it shouldn't cause you to lose where you live because
Speaker 2: it's the it's the other person's problem, not yours.
Speaker 12: And that's would be where they have to have a
Speaker 12: valid nuisance violation, not something that's what you suggested.
Speaker 6: What would they that's something of it.
Speaker 3: Jesse Burr. Would domestic violence calls be excluded from this?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 12: I hope so, And that's something I would hope so
Speaker 12: because that's a safety issue, right, I would definitely hope
Speaker 12: that you would have domestic violence issues be screened on that.
Speaker 12: And that's a tricky one because you don't want anyone
Speaker 12: to be in an unstage situation.
Speaker 6: So I believe that's.
Speaker 12: What would be need to be excluded from that as
Speaker 12: a domestic violence called absolutely.
Speaker 2: Got you comissioned a Jesseie Brewer on the Scotserland Show
Speaker 2: seven hundred w but his hospital three thirty seventies helping craft.
Speaker 2: That would create a three strikes and out rule for
Speaker 2: chronic nuisance tenants. So if you get three service calls
Speaker 2: within a six months peer in the granted, those have
Speaker 2: to be verified and this person has to you know,
Speaker 2: you get eighteen noise complaints. As you said, you should
Speaker 2: get run off and it gives three days notice for
Speaker 2: a landlord to evict you. If you are one of
Speaker 2: those people who are using a lot of the resources.
Speaker 2: You mentioned this about saving money and allocate proper allocation resources. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's overtime costs, there's equipment where how how big a
Speaker 2: problem is this really? How many nuisance tenants are there?
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it a huge problem?
Speaker 12: Are the Kentucky it's enough to where we're talking about it, right,
Speaker 12: it's one of it's one of those issues. Is it
Speaker 12: Is it detrimental to the business?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 12: Uh, but this would just forment a problem. Yes, it
Speaker 12: does a problem. It's not that we have a lot
Speaker 12: of these problems, but when you have one, it's a
Speaker 12: big problem or could be a big problem and very
Speaker 12: falsely problem for the cities to dispatch services for the
Speaker 12: property or and everything else. So you know, if I
Speaker 12: have one hundred tenants, you know, this might be one
Speaker 12: or two of them. But when you start multiplying, now
Speaker 12: you know across all the rental proper and everything else,
Speaker 12: and compounding it, and you know, you know you have
Speaker 12: ten thousand pieces of rental property nation of city. There's
Speaker 12: a lot of services on a police department, fire department
Speaker 12: to be wasted.
Speaker 2: Not much of a deal at the Northern Kentucky University
Speaker 2: or Mount Sahel, But what about UK Louisville, big universities
Speaker 2: where you have a large number of young people like
Speaker 2: to have fun and be allowed at all hours of
Speaker 2: the night. What about UK Louisville and schools like that
Speaker 2: relative to off campus.
Speaker 12: Housing, well, kus, it could be a little different. So
Speaker 12: I get it's gonna have to be the triggering of
Speaker 12: the calls from the police to the landlord. But a
Speaker 12: lot of those cities already have ordinances in place, and
Speaker 12: what they're going to do is they still if you
Speaker 12: have a problem, they still are going to make you
Speaker 12: get rid of them. This isn't like there's still if
Speaker 12: I have a nuisance problem today right now on the
Speaker 12: current wall, I'm still getting the love brands from the
Speaker 12: city with a citation threats or citation thing deal with this.
Speaker 12: So it just takes me thirty days to get them out,
Speaker 12: and then I know, thirty days. Interesting in theory, if
Speaker 12: I can get them out faster, this could be an
Speaker 12: enticement for people to behave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, could very well be. Again, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: There's some perils in here that have to be addressed.
Speaker 2: So I'd imagine it's could take a bit of time
Speaker 2: to get through the legislature, and.
Speaker 12: It may not get through this year. A lot of times,
Speaker 12: the legislation like this comes up and gets introduced for
Speaker 12: a year, they talked about it, this tweak it among
Speaker 12: all the other legislations that they do, and it might
Speaker 12: come back next year looking a little different. But the
Speaker 12: conversation starts the committee meeting here. You can start on
Speaker 12: any legislation that you got to get it introduced. You
Speaker 12: got to get it going, and then you've got to
Speaker 12: get input from the other stakeholders and groups and address it.
Speaker 12: It might take two or three sessions to get something.
Speaker 3: Push now, No, that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Kentucky is the.
Speaker 12: Kentucky is the budget year by annual get sucking. We
Speaker 12: do the budget every other year for two years, so
Speaker 12: it's our bi annual budget year. So there's a lot
Speaker 12: of high priorities in Kentucky right now. You know, I
Speaker 12: know there's they got a lot of like the grooming
Speaker 12: bill that Marian that's a good one he's got filed,
Speaker 12: right So there's a lot of other joh say higher
Speaker 12: priorities for legislators, rightfully, so we've got so much time,
Speaker 12: so this one might make it heard and talked about.
Speaker 12: Isn't really brought and center. It's a niche it's a
Speaker 12: niche issue. It's a niche industry problem for police, fire
Speaker 12: and cities. So but it could get talked about, expand
Speaker 12: upon and move along the typewine. Sure, but there's certain priorities.
Speaker 12: There's only so much time to day for these legislators
Speaker 12: that's to address issues, and they'll get to it and
Speaker 12: they can get to it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jesse brew Boone County Commission. Always a pleasure
Speaker 2: having you on and something to think about, for sure.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I want to follow this one,
Speaker 2: uh and see if we can do this in Ohio
Speaker 2: because it makes sense. I think you can't force someone
Speaker 2: to be a good neighbor, but the law should be
Speaker 2: able to help you this one. It's good for the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: It's you think anyway. Jesse, all the best, thanks for
Speaker 2: jumping in.
Speaker 12: Thanks appreciate funning.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, Yeah you too, be well. We'll
Speaker 2: get a news update in wheather'sday concerned. We'll find the
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Speaker 2: when we return on the Scotslan Show, Oh boy, we
Speaker 2: got issues in the Sloan household. Whether you hear you
Speaker 2: think you got problems in your house? Well you hear
Speaker 2: my wife? That's next seven hundred w other.
Speaker 3: The bells? Do you hear the bells? It could only
Speaker 3: mean one thing.
Speaker 7: It's real estate time with Michelle Sloan, Remax time agent
Speaker 7: and proud proprietor of Sloan Sellshomes dot Com. Heed her
Speaker 7: words or face her wrath on seven hundred wl WI.
Speaker 3: All right, my.
Speaker 2: Wife is here recuperating from her second knee search. How
Speaker 2: many more knees do you need to get done? This
Speaker 2: is starting to cut into my time.
Speaker 8: I think it's the final knee replace.
Speaker 3: That I need to get that three of four it.
Speaker 8: But I'm wondering where you are because I need it
Speaker 8: new ice. I'd like a cup of tea. I would
Speaker 8: like you to turn the fireplace on because it's cold.
Speaker 8: And Bandit is doing fine. He's snapping right here next
Speaker 8: to me, and he is.
Speaker 3: Not you the dog, the dog, not you the dog.
Speaker 8: He's not going to run away because he loves his mama.
Speaker 2: There's no way. So he misses. My wife said, knee surgery.
Speaker 2: Uh second name by both names. And so you know,
Speaker 2: granted I've had a couple of surgeries myself, and you've
Speaker 2: been there. There's no way, though, there's no way in
Speaker 2: hell that I have been this difficult a patient as
Speaker 2: you are with me.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go on record of saying.
Speaker 8: That, oh please, very demanding.
Speaker 2: Very demanding. I'm up this morning at five o'clock. I
Speaker 2: get early, get up right, and I got to take
Speaker 2: the dog out, because you know you can't do that,
Speaker 2: s all right. I take him and he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to go for a walkie. I get the leash. He
Speaker 2: buries himself back under the covers, does not want to move.
Speaker 2: I got to drag him off the bed like an
Speaker 2: otter down a hill and take him outside. It's thirty
Speaker 2: degrees blows here, it's snowing outside, it's cold. I get out,
Speaker 2: walk start walking, and he sees something in the dark
Speaker 2: that I didn't see, and he takes off. The only
Speaker 2: problem was in the darkness and such when I attached
Speaker 2: the leash, I must have attached it to the ring
Speaker 2: that has the tags the dog tags on as opposed
Speaker 2: to the one that's actually on the collar. Well, of
Speaker 2: course that gives way and breaks, and he's gone. He's
Speaker 2: I mean, he is just vanished. And now I'm out there.
Speaker 2: It's cold. I'm like, oh my god. So I'm walking
Speaker 2: like ten minutes. I call you and say, the dog
Speaker 2: got away. I don't know where he is. He saw something,
Speaker 2: a deer. He's down the street. So I'm walking around
Speaker 2: looking for the stupid dog, freezing my you know what's off?
Speaker 2: And uh, get back the house. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: gotta go to work. I gotta leave. I'm late already.
Speaker 2: And eventually he just.
Speaker 8: Dog out in the wild.
Speaker 2: He'll come back. What do you want me to do?
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do? Go house to house with
Speaker 2: a search? Warn what am I one of my ice?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: He just start kicking doors and looking for this dog.
Speaker 8: Anyway to work? If I can't, I can't. I can't
Speaker 8: walk on my own house.
Speaker 6: I know him.
Speaker 2: I know you can't, but the dog is you have
Speaker 2: to find his way back and scratch it. So eventually
Speaker 2: he did find his way back, and he was crying
Speaker 2: to the back because I went to the house and
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes later he's like, well done, it's
Speaker 2: cold over here. So I let him back in crisis averted.
Speaker 2: I just hope you he'll say, sooner than later. Let's
Speaker 2: put it that way, sooner than later. Yeah, I'm getting eyes.
Speaker 8: Honey, honey, honey. It's not even been a week.
Speaker 3: It feels like a month.
Speaker 8: So I had well, that's because six weeks seven weeks ago,
Speaker 8: I had knee number one done, and then six days
Speaker 8: ago I had knee number two done. So we know, like,
Speaker 8: and you went and left me and went off to work,
Speaker 8: you know, because they need you there apparently, and I
Speaker 8: need you to be my nurse or find another hunky
Speaker 8: man to come get me.
Speaker 6: My seat into my tee.
Speaker 3: Can I have some water and bring it back? Can
Speaker 3: I have ice?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me get ice. I'm going to need
Speaker 2: a straw. Okay, Hey, do you have a different container
Speaker 2: for the alright?
Speaker 8: No, all right, you have zero patience for this job.
Speaker 3: I think I've been doing that's not fair. I think
Speaker 3: I've been doing quite well.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, you it's you've been fine, but fine.
Speaker 8: You need to work on your what's it called the skills?
Speaker 8: The skills. Your best side manner is to be desired.
Speaker 2: I've been biting my tongue pretty well because there's a
Speaker 2: pattern here where it's like, do you need I know?
Speaker 2: Do you I'd love doing it because you were there
Speaker 2: for me. That's part of the partnership of a strong marriage.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like, Okay, do you
Speaker 2: need anything, No, I'm good, I'll sit down, getting going.
Speaker 2: Hey can you get me all right? Hold on, go
Speaker 2: get it? Okay, good, sit back down.
Speaker 3: Hey do you need anything now? No, I'm good, Hey
Speaker 3: can you bring it?
Speaker 8: Well? I don't need it. It's something when you asked
Speaker 8: me and then I might need something. It's just part
Speaker 8: of it, part.
Speaker 3: Of part of the fun of growing old.
Speaker 8: Together so much.
Speaker 3: You got any real estate, So what do you do
Speaker 3: in real estate?
Speaker 6: Wise?
Speaker 3: You're sitting on your asstate.
Speaker 8: Okay, so I have time on my hand.
Speaker 2: I know that, and that's what's compounding the issue. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm bored.
Speaker 8: Out of my skull, but I have now I have
Speaker 8: one hundred facts about Greenland. Do you want to know
Speaker 8: about it? Because wait, what our president you're doing?
Speaker 2: This is supposed to be about well us complaining about
Speaker 2: each other but also also real estate.
Speaker 3: What does this guy do with real estate?
Speaker 8: It's everything to do with real estate. Because if you're
Speaker 8: going to spend seven hundred billion dollars to buy the
Speaker 8: largest island on earth? Did you know that Greenland is
Speaker 8: the largest land mass, largest island on Earth. It has
Speaker 8: some ulatural resources, rare minerals and oil potential and fisheries,
Speaker 8: so it's got a lot of nice fresh sift. It
Speaker 8: seems a little cold in Greenland. I must admits I
Speaker 8: have I have some time on my hands, so I
Speaker 8: thought it would be fun to do a breakdown on
Speaker 8: you know, if you were to buy this island of
Speaker 8: Greenland for seven hundred billion dollars, I feel like that's
Speaker 8: kind of a pretty good deal right now. So you know,
Speaker 8: if you're in the market to buy Greenland, you should
Speaker 8: call me because that commission.
Speaker 2: Is going to be just what I mean, after you
Speaker 2: sell this thing, how many signs are going to be
Speaker 2: in my garage?
Speaker 8: I will need a few signs. I'm going to have
Speaker 8: to do it. You know, you have to invest in
Speaker 8: order to make money.
Speaker 3: So big breakdown.
Speaker 8: So apparently it's not like a typical mortgage when you
Speaker 8: do the seven hundred billion dollars. You know you buy
Speaker 8: something for that much. It's something called sovereign debt. I
Speaker 8: don't really know what that means.
Speaker 2: Well, your first talk, extensive sovereign debt basically is us
Speaker 2: borrowing more money we can't afford to borrow. That's what
Speaker 2: sovereign debt is. Secondly, yeah, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: think you do installment payments for this thing I down or.
Speaker 8: Well yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess those details. Seriously,
Speaker 8: I have the information.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, very important? Is this you? Is this
Speaker 3: real life orsus the meds talking?
Speaker 8: Well, it might be a little high, but that's okay.
Speaker 8: I feel pretty good right now, Jah payment twenty percent
Speaker 8: down payment on a seven hundred billion dollars is what?
Speaker 3: How much down is?
Speaker 8: One hundred and billion dollars? That's all?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 8: Nothing your loan amount so eighty percent your loan amounts
Speaker 8: isn't going to be five hundred and sixty billion dollars
Speaker 8: over the term of fifty years. Now, in my assumptions,
Speaker 8: I'm only a sum of a rate a mortgagrade of
Speaker 8: five percent. Six That seems really low, but let's just
Speaker 8: go with it, Okay, Now, what's.
Speaker 2: Your what's your monthly payment? Just give me the bottle
Speaker 2: of what monthly want?
Speaker 8: Okay, two point seven two billion dollars a month a month.
Speaker 8: But then you have the debt service and you know
Speaker 8: annually you're paying thirty two point six billions. So really
Speaker 8: you end up like a lot of properties, the Devil's
Speaker 8: and the details, because you're going to be spending a
Speaker 8: heck of a lot more than seven hundred billion for
Speaker 8: this property, because once you factor in the interest and
Speaker 8: the compounding, you're spending a really lot of money on
Speaker 8: this property.
Speaker 9: Well do you?
Speaker 8: But that's okay because Greenland is a beautiful place. I've
Speaker 8: seen pictures on the TV. No it isn't it's a
Speaker 8: beautiful place.
Speaker 2: No, Iceland is the one you want. Greenland is the
Speaker 2: one you don't want.
Speaker 8: No, Greenland is fine, green Onom is fine.
Speaker 2: People can listen. You're in centinnt he high right you complain.
Speaker 2: Look at the weather right now, people, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's so cold and it's so cold as snow. When
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of snow green and a lot
Speaker 2: of snow.
Speaker 8: It's pretty cold. Yeah, you'll get used to it though.
Speaker 8: Your body acclimates to that kind of weather.
Speaker 3: No, they don't. Do you know who lives in Greenland?
Speaker 8: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: Do you know the population of Greenland, the biggest island
Speaker 3: in the world. Correct?
Speaker 5: Do you know the.
Speaker 8: Population fifty thousand or something?
Speaker 2: Fifty seven thousand people, which is like the size of
Speaker 2: a suburb in Cincinnati. Oh, over that vast expanse and
Speaker 2: they're all ino wits.
Speaker 8: It's fine, okay, So we do have to worry about
Speaker 8: the operating cost. So on top of our seven hundred billion,
Speaker 8: we have operating costs of about twenty one billion a year.
Speaker 8: When you talk about infrastructure, healthcare, government, defense, No, this is.
Speaker 3: As is, This is as is now?
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, what you're gonna have it's just like you're
Speaker 8: gonna have to pay the electric bill.
Speaker 3: This isn't a house. It's what do you do? Do
Speaker 3: you do you? How do you do an inspection?
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know. We're gonna have to go house
Speaker 8: to house. It's going to take a while. You know,
Speaker 8: it'll be fine the inspection. I know, people, there's a
Speaker 8: crack over here.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't like the way this boulder inspecting a country.
Speaker 3: What is wrong with you?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 8: No, no, but here's the thing. There's some revenue to
Speaker 8: be made there.
Speaker 2: Can you buy a home? Can you buy a wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a homework. Can you be a country warranty.
Speaker 3: On this thing?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 2: If the furnace breaks, you pay I don't know, two
Speaker 2: hundred dollars deductible.
Speaker 3: That can fix it.
Speaker 8: I don't know. But you know they have fisheries there, yeah,
Speaker 8: and they have mining and I bet there's some really
Speaker 8: pretty rocks there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We're good on rocks. We have a grand canyon full
Speaker 2: of them. We're good.
Speaker 8: But what about tourism. They're going to have to increase.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can go there now.
Speaker 8: Out there, I don't think there's any real hotels there.
Speaker 8: You might have to just get an airbnb and something.
Speaker 8: How much?
Speaker 3: How long to recoup our costs?
Speaker 2: Because it's an investment, right, this is the and you know,
Speaker 2: as you know, buying Greenland would be the most the
Speaker 2: biggest investment we have.
Speaker 13: Okay, so we think investment, but it's not it's not,
Speaker 13: as you know, it's not as big as you know
Speaker 13: the payoffs that we did to like during COVID, when
Speaker 13: everybody got like five dollars or something or.
Speaker 2: The two grand allegend we're going to get I don't
Speaker 2: know about that. So they've got okay, but all right,
Speaker 2: you've got fishing and tourism. But we it's not like
Speaker 2: we don't have a shortage of fish. Now we get
Speaker 2: the fish from Greenland.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I know this isn't it just better to rent, better.
Speaker 8: To own than rent. It's always better to own than rent,
Speaker 8: and always better to use the I think I think, really,
Speaker 8: I think there really are no no, no, it's good.
Speaker 8: Apparently though the investment, we're going to lose about fifty
Speaker 8: billion a year you're on this investment. It's how you
Speaker 8: just told me.
Speaker 3: A second ago.
Speaker 2: You said, well, you know, you spend money, make money,
Speaker 2: But how are we losing money then?
Speaker 8: Because the cost of owning it and the amount of
Speaker 8: interest that we're paying. You know, it's the problem.
Speaker 2: It's like we've got a what thirty eight thirty nine
Speaker 2: trillion dollar debt, so you know, what's another couple of
Speaker 2: percentage points is what you're saying. But that's how we
Speaker 2: got this problem in the first place.
Speaker 8: But seven hundred billion is only if you look at
Speaker 8: our debt that we have right now that just like
Speaker 8: every second every minute. It's only about one point one
Speaker 8: and a half percentage were buying green One.
Speaker 3: This is unreal.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be the dumbest segment we've ever done.
Speaker 3: This is so stupid. It should be at one thirty
Speaker 3: and two thirty in the afternoon.
Speaker 8: No, no, this is good stuff. This is very important.
Speaker 8: People need to know.
Speaker 3: That we're buying Greenland. That was How big a sign
Speaker 3: would you have to have?
Speaker 11: That?
Speaker 3: Says Michelle Sloane. How big is sign do you need to.
Speaker 8: I need something in space? So I might need like
Speaker 8: a satellite, So let's add that to the price.
Speaker 2: Well, you're high right now, so satellite would be you
Speaker 2: could just reach over.
Speaker 8: No, maybe some drones. How about a drone show with
Speaker 8: my name and life?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could be drowning right now.
Speaker 2: I don't all right, So if you want to buy
Speaker 2: what a mess?
Speaker 8: You need to come home now.
Speaker 2: Believe me, Believe me. I cannot wait to not get
Speaker 2: home my wife. Michelle Sloane. Uh Sloan sells homes dot
Speaker 2: com open house show, remaxed time in Manville. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if I don't know if this is a
Speaker 2: good endorsement for your abilities right now?
Speaker 3: The way you're rambling.
Speaker 8: Fine, it's totally fine. Everybody thinks this is funny.
Speaker 2: She's on drugs, folks, because she orne done. And I
Speaker 2: don't know why we're talking about buying making a case
Speaker 2: for buying Greenland here.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure something I have to say though. This
Speaker 8: is just hypothetical, this is real life.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, the worry is okay, national security worried about
Speaker 2: Russia or China taking it over?
Speaker 3: How about this?
Speaker 2: Why don't we wait and see if China or Russia,
Speaker 2: which by the way, has a lot of cold air
Speaker 2: siber pretty good.
Speaker 3: We got Siberia. I don't think we need.
Speaker 2: Another frozen rock out there. If they get close to
Speaker 2: like threatening to take over, then we move in. That's
Speaker 2: kind of what NATO does. So I don't know the
Speaker 2: whole thing. I fit well, you know, if Russia gets
Speaker 2: ahold of this, Russia really talk with Ukraine, they are
Speaker 2: they really talking about Greenland? Is that is that in
Speaker 2: the top ten for putin or g with the China?
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'd rather just kind of wait and see how it
Speaker 2: plays out. I'm pretty sure Greenland's gonna be okay.
Speaker 8: You know that and they really don't want us there.
Speaker 3: I mean, if we wanted to, they.
Speaker 8: Said that, they said that they're not for.
Speaker 3: Sale fifty six thou wits. I mean, you know it's
Speaker 3: not good.
Speaker 8: Be that hardest, Like it's like the farmland that you know,
Speaker 8: they're really not interested in selling unless you bring them
Speaker 8: seven hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think dan Mark is really going to
Speaker 3: be that. What are they going to stand up to us?
Speaker 2: This is like I don't know, there's like the Germans
Speaker 2: roll into France in World War two, right, it was
Speaker 2: pretty easy.
Speaker 8: Well there, I don't think you have much of a
Speaker 8: defense there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think so either. I mean,
Speaker 3: if we wanted, we could take it.
Speaker 8: But I don't have solar bears and stuff. I haven't
Speaker 8: really researched the types.
Speaker 2: Of the I got an idea, Michelle, why do you
Speaker 2: get off the phone with me and call the White House?
Speaker 3: Why don't you.
Speaker 2: Try and just call the switchboard at sixteen Ounred Pennsylvania Avenue,
Speaker 2: say I want to talk to Trump. I got an idea.
Speaker 2: I got he needs a real estate agent, is what
Speaker 2: he needs? Licensed in Greenland?
Speaker 3: Right now, you are.
Speaker 8: Probably update my license because I'm.
Speaker 2: Only like, based on the met's talking right now, I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure you're also able to sell real estate on
Speaker 2: Jupiter anyway.
Speaker 3: All right, I love you. I'll see you probably sometime
Speaker 3: next week. I gotta go.
Speaker 8: You need to come home right away? Yeah, I uh,
Speaker 8: I have need.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to Greenland. Let me go scope
Speaker 2: it out for you. I'll be I'll be back in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. My wife Michelle Sloan on The
Speaker 2: Men this morning. Here, I don't know what just happened,
Speaker 2: but it just did. Willie's on the way next seven
Speaker 2: hundred WWT sincenat